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>>530454148

Timeline
▶Day: 11
>Crude oil at 90$
>Drone strike halts production at Ruwais oil refinery - largest in the UAE
>Tehran witnesses heaviest bombing since the start of the war
>Several oil companies cry force majeure
>There seems to be no planes going from and to Israel
>Strikes in Israel going on

▶Livestreams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-iFtUM2kk [Open] [Open] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHwwZRH2wz8 [Open] [Open] [Embed]

▶Telegram channels:
https://rentry.org/tgnews

▶Twitter accounts (using proxy frontend because twitter's UI is trash):
https://nitter.net/clashreport
https://nitter.net/FaytuksNetwork
https://nitter.net/sentdefender

▶Israel Rocket Alerts
https://www.tzevaadom.co.il/en/

▶Air Traffic
https://www.flightradar24.com/
https://flightaware.com/live
https://globe.adsbexchange.com

▶Maritime Traffic
https://www.marinetraffic.com/
https://www.vesselfinder.com/

Note: /pig/ is the only general for this event. Do not split it into dueling generals like /uhg/ and /chug/ or turn it into a support thread for either side.
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Trust the plan Goyim
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>Step 1: Total Kike Death
>Step 2: Mass Deport Muslims back to Middle East
It's that easy
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TKD
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>THE ICE WE SKATE IS GETTING PRETTY THIN
>THE WATERS GETTING WARM SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL SWIM
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>>530458407
THREAD THEME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfJhMfOPWdE

LATEST AP VIDEOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iRKXvBM_D8 (US DESTROYS MINING VESSELS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIhscOnV-_0 (QATAR PM TO IRAN)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrWM_pU8zOQ (UAE PILOTS DOWN DRONES)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNvXhqZbfVI (ISRAEL STRIKES IRAN OIL DEPOTS)

MORE VIDEOS FROM TEHRAN OIL DEPOT FIRES
https://bsky.app/profile/leahmcelrath.bsky.social/post/3mgipjydllc2e
https://x.com/RyanRozbiani/status/2030535631726645394
https://x.com/RKOTOfficial/status/2030565938110537944

KHARG ISLAND IS ON THE MENU
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/oil-island-could-break-iran

LATEST CASPIAN REPORT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQfQwLW6CNw

SAM HARRIS ON WHY THE WAR WAS NECESSARY*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDXh71Sy1mk

MILITARY HISTORIAN EXPLAINS ROOT CAUSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjiIHiltZ4A
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>>530458514
Wild to think that guy is doing a minimum of 25.5 years in prison right now for rape. He's only two and a half years into that sentence, too.
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>>530458490
Lmao FPBP
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ZOG bros?
wtf?
aren't we first army in the world???
iranian army isn't match for us!
we are winning, right?
RIGHT?
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I assume most of the strikes are at night so I understand it but I would appreciate at least some high resolution color bombing videos.
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>>530458407
Mein POTUS... The CENTCOM missile stocks...
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kike bros?
wtf?
why early warning isn't working????
what do you mean "no radars"???
we are winning right?
RIGHT?
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Let's be honest: Israel lost.

Yeah we can seethe, cope, complain, cry and even shit ourselves over it, but it's the truth. The cold hard truth. Sucks to admit it but we need to, we need to honest here. We can't improve if we can't admit our faults. Sure I would have wanted us to win, but it just. didn't. happen. Israel lost after trying to regime change in Iran twice, and then folded like a wet napkin, twice. It's strength wasn't up to par, and as a result, we are all left in shambles. It hurts, but it's what happened.

So where do we go from here?
Well first I think we apologize. Formally, I apologize to Hamas, who cooked our ground troops inside their merkavas by walking up to them with hand held explosives, I apologize to the lebanese people, who soundly defeated us in 2006, I apologize to the great people of Iran, whose superior IQ drawings have rendered our trillion dollar military ineffective, heck I even apologize to the american people. We were frauds, simply put. I also want to apologize to our fellow jews. I think we all let ourselves down with unrealistic expectations. We israelis were never that great, and we should stop pretending we are. Israel lost so badly even with the US and UK support. Just stop it. Stop the copes and the deflections, and embrace reality.

As for the next steps?
1. Seek inner peace
2. Laugh at our failures in a constructive way
3. Open borders and race-mix with our arab brothers under an unified palestinian state.
I think that way we would ALL be better served. Physically, mentally and emotionally.

Yours truly;
Benjamin Netanyahu
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Where's my oil shills at?
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>>530458697
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How reliable is this nigga?

He's claiming USA has nuked Iran. Wild stuff.
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>>530458807
Don't post this retard here, he's always 100% wrong
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All of the JDIF operators have died and they now have to sell off their computers to afford food & water.
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>>530458407
>Iran just hit a Thai vessel with no US coverage
Welp, there it is. Neutral vessel got HEEMED. Pool is now indefinitely closed.

GG. World economy is now in total crisis.
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>>530458490
Kek
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>>530458763
usa is fucked
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>>530458807
Well, Quds is Jerusalem
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>>530458740
I don't think the Iranians realize how missile launches are detected. Drones maybe? I don't know much about drone detection and defense but missile launches are detected immediately by at least two satellite networks (maybe more but I know of two specifically) using two different methods. Prior to the Space Force standing up in Trump's first term this was handled by a multitude of branches and agencies but now is pretty much contained all in USSF.
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Why does it look like the strait is open?
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>>530458755
beautifully said
you can start the process of healing now jewpal
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>>530458763
>400mn barrels
what's that, like two weeks worth?
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>>530458807
he is an IDIOT!
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>>530458490
>another holocaust and never again incoming
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CIA station at Baghdad Diplomatic Support Center was destroyed, second confirmed targeting of CIA assets in the conflict (I think)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/03/10/baghdad-diplomatic-drone-strike/

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/cia-station-saudi-arabia-struck-by-suspected-iranian-drone-source-says-2026-03-03/
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>>530458939
US navy went into the strait is is telling ships to cross or they will fire on them
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>>530458875
Should've guessed it from his tranime dp.
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>>530458807
Hes a complete moron. He makes zog seethe, but he's an absolute moron.
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>>530458917
>muh net exporter
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>>530458876
jewed
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>>530458983
kek
imagine being a tanker captain and you're getting threats from american ships to start crossing and from iranians to not cross
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>>530458936
THAAD is the most cutting edge capability we have that is public knowledge, not the only way to detect missiles but seem to be far and away the best way, along with intercepting them
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>>530458939
click each ship that's in the strait and you can see
>CHINAOWNERALLCHINESE
>IR BOUND
etc
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>>530458936
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He's right, you know.
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>>530458407
Be it resolved this house supports both sides
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>>530458807
Not a nuke or even close to it. I saw the video earlier. It was a regular strike on what I assume is either a fuel store or munitions depot. You can't hide above ground nuclear detonations because multiple countries other than the US (at the very least China and Russia but others probably as well) have satellite early warning platforms that pick up nuclear detonations. In fact, in the 1980s the American system was already so adept at detecting radioactive emissions that it picked up dental office x-rays. That was in the late 1980s. I have to assume the technology is better 40+ years later.
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>>530459115
>THAAD is the most cutting edge capability we have that is public knowledge

>had
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>>530458968
About 20 days of normal hormuz traffic, yeah. Oil price still up at the news, kek
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>>530458939
youtube shipping guy says iran is spoofing fake locations of ships, can't necessarily trust these tracking sites
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>>530459115
THAAD is an ABM system and completely different to SIBRS and the newer DSP Mission Delta 4 program. You're confusing engaging incoming missiles with detecting them.
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>>530458983
>haul your huge ass
>or else
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>>530459203
hey with travel times we’ll still have this one for like a week probably
it’s funny to think about how china is definitely watching us pack this thing up, tracking it as it’s in transit to the ME, and probably ready to relay its exact location to iran once we park it
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Where did Israel's new laser system go?
The system that was supposed to close the northern skies with an invisible laser remained almost out of the fighting round • Between promises of a cost of a few shekels, and the engineering challenge of removing heat and the limitations of clouds - everything you need to know about the gap between the breakthrough and the operational reality
The Or Eitan defense system, based on a powerful laser beam, was supposed to provide a significant and dominant response to the threats of water drones and drones in the northern skies. In practice, since Hezbollah joined the current round of fighting, dozens of aircraft have penetrated the border: only in Kiryat Shmona and Kibbutz Dafna were reported 18 water drone alerts, some of which moved through the air almost without interruption until they were intercepted by standard means - from helicopter gunfire to Sniping with assault rifles.

The data raises questions, especially in light of the fact that the laser system already recorded successful interceptions in the "Northern Arrows"operation in 2024. Since then, the system had time to finish the testing phase in September 2025, was declared operational at the end of the year and its first units have already been delivered to the IDF.

As far as is known, the security system currently has a limited number of laser systems. The scope of their activity in the current campaign remains small to zero, and the IDF spokesman refused to comment on the system's contribution to the fighting in the north. The lack of clarity on the issue fueled fake news: at the beginning of the operation, a fake video showing a laser beam shooting down missile barrages one after another was circulated on social media. However, in reality on the ground, the system is not designed to deal with ballistic missiles at all, and contrary to what is seen in the video - the laser beam is not visible from a distance.
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I like these videos because they show active engagements, not just blowing up static shit.

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2031724032182112563
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>>530458407

who's the bald guy in bottom panel of OP pic ?

Not even joking, I genuinely DON'T recognize him...

Is he the same person as the one in the TOP panel, who's between Vance and Hegseth ??
I'm curious...

.
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>>530458939
It doesn't?
>>530459127
This
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>>530459388
The disappointing figures stand in contrast to the high expectations and the billions of shekels invested in the project. At the end of 2024, the Ministry of Defense, Rafael (the system's designer) and Elbit (its developer) signed a huge deal in the amount of approximately NIS 2 billion to expand production and equipping the system. The original plan was to integrate the laser into an Iron Dome array, so that any low brom threat would be prioritized for energetic interception - but plans are separate and performance is separate.

Rafael's chairman, Yuval Steinitz, promised in the past that the system would enable interception at zero costs of a few shekels and would even respond to rockets and missiles. However, currently, the system is limited to dealing with drones and drones only, and its performance is lacking in this arena as well. Furthermore, while the cost of "pressing the trigger"is indeed low, the price of each interception system is estimated at tens of millions of shekels. To create effective stratification along the northern border, an investment of billions of additional shekels is required - a budget that has not yet been allocated.
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>>530458807
You need to post him more often. He's the greatest multipolar intellectual and analyst on the internet.
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>>530459264
true, but based on reports of strikes hitting tel aviv with no warning, seems like they’re harming missile detection in parallel with interception capabilities
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>>530458636
All of the people in that picture should go and fight themselves and once they're all dead the war will end within the week. Simple as.
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>>530459446
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller
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>>530458407
>Tehran witnesses heaviest bombing since the start of the war
Is that line a meme? Says it everyday
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>>530459446
Trump’s Advisor (chosen) he looks tough but talks like a smarmy jew
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>>530459056
Oil still 50 percent or so down from a few days ago for no discernable reason. Things seem much worse and more locked in now.
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>>530459660
It’s been in the op since start basically
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kike bros, I have second slightly bad news for you:

missile rain will be continuous from now on, until morale improves!
thank you for attention for this matter
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Reminder when shills were spamming these out of context graphs? Turns out, Iran is buckbreaking 10 countries at once and shows no sign of stopping anytime soon.
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>>530459158
Suspiciously missing jews, the worst diaspora of all
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>>530459772
kinda insane how "wait what if we run out of defenses and they just keep shooting drones" was never prepared for. Gulf states are fucked longterm after this.
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Can someone explain to me exactly why it is that Iran is losing so badly?
Preferably someone without a European (Chronic seether), Aussie or Leaf (Chink) flag. I want honesty, not fee-fees.
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>>530459507
I think you meant bipolar.
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>>530459759
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>>530459158
Niggers and Turks
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>>530458407
Stop the war!!! the locals here can't buy gas anymore so they retvrned to traditional horses.
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>>530459908
a new kingmaker will need to bring peace if US doesn’t clean it up
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>>530459908
especially insane when anyone with 2 IQ points to rub together has been talking about how Iran’s volume of drones completely outmatches countermeasures designed for missiles and such. it’s like we completely ignored the proxy war we’ve been fighting in Ukraine for years
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>>530459954
They're not, you're infested with jewish parasites in your head. Hope this helps, golem.
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>>530459908
>wait what if we run out of defenses and they just keep shooting drones

trillions in hardware and bureaucrats salaries annually
no autist to ask the real simple questions
maybe the us military only exists at this point to ensure the continued funding of the MIC
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>>530458807
I thought that tranny killed itself
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>>530459908
>still haven't developed a reliable cheap way to counter swarms
>why yes, let's start a war with the country who's know for producing and fielding swarms of cheap replaceable drones, what could go wrong?
If Americans can't see Trump is a complete zionist retard who doesn't give a shit about them they deserve to be castrated and sold as goyim slaves
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>>530460070
So no proof or nothing yet? Oil prices are still dropping btw
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>>530458939
Iran literally bombed few vessels few hours ago.

I do feel bad for Thai one

oh, it's one post by this ID, so a jew shill
Fuck you
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IAE just confirmed release of 400 million barrels of the emergency supply, brent oil is still hovering around 90 per barrel.
Make of that what you want.
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>>530459772
I remember when JIDF shills were gloating about Iran "running out of launchers" all these days but to their surprise... Interceptors have a limited supply too. I wonder what will happen when this extends for several weeks, what will be the hit rate on Israel and GCC?
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>>530459747
Peaked at $118 over the weekend so ~25% lower today, but that was before markets absorbed the record release of reserves which was already spoken about early on Monday. Hormuz closure itself was also partly priced already at the start of Aipac Fury as it was fully predictable, so even at $90 we're 50% up on the war
Btw before the Iran debacle in December, Brent reached a 5 year low at $50 on recession and overproduction fears
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>>530458407
>kills 150 little girls
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>>530458763
>oil shills
If you think releasing emergency reserves isn't bullish then I've got a bridge here for sale you might like?
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>>530460279
The Thai one fucked around and found out. I remember the Aussie anon highlighted it yesterday, they were going full steam trying to cross and then they stopped abruptly
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>>530460243
this is what happens when a senile pedophile surrounds himself with nothing but real estate kikes and retarded tv personalities
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>>530459772
good shit, iran! keep bombing them! china, best korea and russia need to pump those shahed numbers up!
24hr work rotation 7 days a week for reeducated uyghurs GO! GO! GO!
god damn these uyghurs really want israel dead because they do it for free!!!
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>>530458939
Could be spoofing. Anyway, ask the Thai ship that was targeted for no apparent reason.
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>>530460298
>I wonder what will happen when this extends for several weeks, what will be the hit rate on Israel and GCC?
Same shit as in Ukraine. Adaptation, defensive measures catching up to offensive ones, stabilization into a new meta. Same as always.
Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, and they've managed this shit basically on their own.
All the Gulf states with their money and US support can and will get on top of this. It'll just take time as it always does.
Hell, the US has plenty of methods of its own already developed and functional, but for some reason nobody thought to deploy them close to Iran.
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JAVID SHAH INTENSIFIES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtSr-qN9zU&list=RDUGtSr-qN9zU&index=1
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>>530460388
Do not worry. He is being hunted down.
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>>530458490
It really do be like that
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>>530460243
>If Americans can't see Trump is a complete zionist retard who doesn't give a shit about them
How about you go to /ptg/ and tell them that? You're preaching to the choir here.
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when do you think the US generals will realize that iran never needed its limited puny navy to achieve its objectives? the persians are a nation of archers, literally 2 minute google search would have done the trick
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>>530460498
>Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, and they've managed this shit basically on their own.
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Doing a read
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Here's how the mainstream news is reporting it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/11/cargo-ship-struck-strait-of-hormuz-uk-iran-war.html
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>>530460498
>Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, and they've managed this shit basically on their own.
Ukrainians are whit-adjacent, arabs are retarded and decadent, we will manage but these are monkys with Ferraris, they cant adapt to shit
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>>530460399
The release should be bearish, it's the ongoing war that makes me and everyone else bullish to the point that prices are flat on record release of reserves. Do you even trade?
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ZOG bros, move along nothing to see here!
we are winning and victory is around corner is all you need to know
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why is iran not hitting the desalination plants right now? somebody with big knowledge about this please fill me in
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>>530459747
Just trying to shake out people like me. Not happening. There's generational money to be made here.
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>>530460558
>iran never needed its limited puny navy to achieve its objectives
What objectives would they be? Iran is getting pummeled. I mean this seriously, what is their objective? Just to hold onto power to lord over an empire of ash at the end? I don't get it.
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>>530460587
Development of countermeasures, yes.
Look at this webm for example. This is all Ukrainian tech.

The US could have and SHOULD HAVE deployed this shit before attacking Iran, but they didn't, for whatever reason.
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>>530460279
Do you people not know that “x posts by this ID” is per thread…?
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>>530460419
I genuinely feel sorry for any person of goodwill whether they live in the US or Israel because they are on autopilot to hell right now
>>530460548
Plenty of zionists with American and European countries flags here as well
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By the by, I think Pahlavi is orchestrating some sort of (presumably glownigger run) revolution at least that's what it seems like from his social media posts.
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>>530460660
>Iran closed the Hormuz strait for everyone else
>everyone else just lets ships headed for Iran through
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>>530460298
>I remember when JIDF shills were gloating about

Every accusation from jew is a confession
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>>530460640
They're trying. AFAIK the yids air defense is dwindling, I imagine they're waiting until Israel/Saudi are fully exposed before going after the real targets including desalination plants.
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>>530460516
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>>530460558
probably fake and gay but i pray its real, if they mine the straight they will sign their own death warrent.
america has its own oil, so does russia, but chinks will be out of oil, and they will go full total shianigger death on Iran.

PLEASE MINE THE STRAIGHTTTTTT
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>>530460647
what the fuck do you think? their objective is to survive and secure their borders. why would they have any other objective?
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>>530460498
>All the Gulf states with their money
>Time
Lol. Pick one. The US MiC is known for developing overly-hyped, over-priced defensive material that barely works against Shaheds. interceptors each are like a million bucks or something; radar detection systems? Costly too; those THAADs that got destroyed? They also take months if not years to replace. Time is of the essence and GCC states don't have it, and what's gonna happen when investors pull out their capital out of fear the war will consume their portfolio?
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>>530460261
>Oil prices are still dropping btw
No. They aren't. They are crabbing. All fucking day.
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>After american's pathetic display against Iran the chinese people are stopping to see the US as pear adversary or even a legitimate threat
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>>530460647
they are smacking the global yids where it hurts the most: their pockets. if the US cant find a solution of the hormuz issue, oil prices will spike to 150-200 per barrel. a thousand a merican troops dying would faze them less than oil prices and everything else skyrocketing
>>530460772
they obviously havent done it yet, but technically they have many options to accomplish that goal. right now, they feel no imminent threat and would rather not risk cucking their allies out of oil
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>>530460708

> By the by, I think Pahlavi is orchestrating some sort of (presumably glownigger run) revolution at least that's what it seems like from his social media posts.

You mean the fifth time he’s turned on a video camera on himself and said that he’s forming a transitional government?
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>>530460802
Well, they're not doing a very good job of doing anything else so I guess? I wonder how many dead Iranians is worth it them? They seem suicidal so all of them, I suppose. Typical sandnigger shit.
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Shills taking a fucking beating in this thread
Good job lads keep it up
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>>530458636
10 days in, official KIA and WIA are 2% of the remaining deployed forces.
Muy bien attrition rate indeed.
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>>530460290
They've been dripping the news all day here. Country by country to stretch it out.
It's a full on media campaign to suppress prices.
It won't work.
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>>530460587
>poorest
You forgot the taxes and equipment donated to Jewkraine by virtually the entire West.
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>>530460647
Get the oil price to high heavens and count on US being forced to sue for peace. That is their plan.
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>>530460838
China has never won a war in the history of the galaxy. They are only a threat to themselves.
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>>530460874
>*if the US cant find a solution to the hormuz issue, oil prices will spike to 150-200 per barrel in two weeks
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>>530458407
>JUST WAIT BRO IRAN WILL RUN OUT OF MISSILES SOON
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>>530460888
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We know how much Jews lie we have the holocaust (pbuh) as an example.
Don't believe a word that comes from any Jews mouth or slimy fingers.
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>>530460261
Brent is 89 but it’s behaving like trumpcoin by the time I finished posting this it moved already
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>>530460888
No, check his latest post.

>>530460929
At least that's more coherent than other anons who are just hate the jews so much all they do is RAH RAH RAH the Iranians without any critical thinking or objective analysis of the situation which is, of course, Iran getting fucked up big time.
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>>530460625
>Do you even trade?
I'm 3x long.
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>>530460590
>Kitchener drowned
Murdered
Yes, Lord Alfred Douglas was a faggot but he was on to the jewish puppet Churchill and the zionists infesting the British government before anyone else
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>>530460772
Chinese have the largest strategic reserves in the world, no one knows how big, and made huge purchases last month when they saw this coming
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>>530460820
>Lol. Pick one.
Both.
Iran has no ability to destroy any of the Gulf States, so they have time.
Money they have in excess.
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This war will go on for months
All this market manipuation will buy them a few days
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>>530460929
It will probably work barring some insane developments that totally shake up the entire war.
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>>530460640
That's the very last resort, as the whole civilian population of the GCC would be displaced to Saudia Arabia and Jordan. I assume they keep this option in the eventuality the gulf country were to enter the war against Iran.
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>>530461011
Right, I think you misunderstood my usage of oil shills, talking about this picrel >>530459210
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HEIL SERB BRO
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Inflation is going to go fucking tits
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>>530461060
>no one knows how big
>largest strategic reserves in the world
macaco logic
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>>530460891
you seem to not understand the conflict, they’re being attacked not playing mutual aggressor. their options are
>play defense (this includes weakening zog military capacity in surrounding territories)
>acquiesce and get turned into gaza 2 over the course of decades
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China is corrapsing
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ULTRA HAPPENING

HAPPENING: MUTTMERICA BEGGED FOR A CEASEFIRE AND IRAN FLAT OUT SAID NO
>HAPPENING: MUTTMERICA BEGGED FOR A CEASEFIRE AND IRAN FLAT OUT SAID NO
HAPPENING: MUTTMERICA BEGGED FOR A CEASEFIRE AND IRAN FLAT OUT SAID NO
>HAPPENING: MUTTMERICA BEGGED FOR A CEASEFIRE AND IRAN FLAT OUT SAID NO
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>>530461065
>no ability
They have 100k+ shaheds that they can trickle out to continually harass and bombard the gulf states, retard.
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Truly the most comfy happening. Watching burgers seeth at gas prices while browns are killing each other. Meanwhile I just happily cycle wherever I need to go.
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>>530459203
If half of them were destroyed, and more then half of them are stationed in the USA mainland...

WHERE ARE THE STRIKES ON USA SOIL?

Oh, I forgot, there weren't any.
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>>530461132
>China has an estimated Strategic Petroleum Reserve of 400-500 million barrels. Apart from that, it has commercial stocks of approximately 600–900 million barrels, through Chinese oil firms such as China National Petroleum Corporation, Sinopec, and CNOOC. China consumes about 15-16 million barrels of oil per day, so its reserves could last 80-90 import days.
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>>530461131
yes, oil is not the only thing that flows through the strait. fertilizer is a big one, im sure there are others. people didn’t realize that the fertilizer issue was a huge driver of 2022 inflation, thanks to russia/ukraine
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>>530461065
>Drones keep hitting
>Investors stonks go the opposite way
>Investors flee
>GCC states turn into forgotten sand castles

How do you respond without sounding mad?
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>>530461228
No they don't.
And that still doesn't destroy the Gulf states.
Is Ukraine destroyed? Russia has an endless stream of Gerano Shaheds to send over, but they're stuck in a multi-year war regardless, even when they're currently occupying Ukrainian soil with +700k troops.
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>>530461257
>90 import days
Less than Japan.
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>>530461220
this is very embarrassing for the US
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>>530461220
Netscape Yahoo has really fucked it this time.
>>530461258
Agreed. All the fiscal stimulus and now dumping all this oil onto the market is just the same as printing money.
It will have a large inflationary affect.
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>>530461220
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>530461220
>TRUST ME KAFIR THEY ARE TOTALLY BEGGING FOR MERCY AS THEY ARE GETTING NUKED
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we just need more time and more help
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>>530461132
they've been openly stocking in preparation to an inevitable US blockade with purchases larger than their needs for years. But you're to keep on coping that China will be the one to save you
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>>530461220
Actual humiliation LMAO
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Trump to Barak Ravid on N12: The war with Iran will end "soon"

>Trump to Barak Ravid on N12: The war with Iran will end "soon"

Trump to N12: "Whenever I want it to end - it will end"

>Trump to N12: "Whenever I want it to end - it will end"

TACONIGGER TAPS OUT
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>>530461220
No boots on the groundmeans :

No regime change
No assurance that their nuclear programme has been completely destroyed
and
No assurance that you have destroyed their uranium stocks.

Its always been this way
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I think the Strait of Hormuz needs a call from the compass.
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>>530461257
thanks, so the macaco was lying as ususal.
i hope Iran makes the retarded mistake of mining the straight, this war is too gay
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>>530461219
Only western shills and people exclusively getting information from jewish msm uses the term "CCP" for the CPC
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>>530461298
>muh economy
This sorry excuse was used to explain both why WW1 and WW2 could never happen. It's worthless.
The only thing that will happen through this kind of economic warfare is escalation.
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>>530461131
the emergency release of oil is “ stabilizing oil price” around 90 dollars kek
thanks Trump.
Japan is going to boom first once those leveraged degenerate bettors explode and leave their position the dominoes can fall
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>>530461348
*we are getting nuked
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>>530461311
Dubai gets 90% of its freshwater from a single desalination plant. What do you think it will happen to the city if 30 drones were to hit it?
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@530461220
Keep it up spreading the false narratives, Xisters!

Sorry our management couldn't get more bots in the thread to upboat you though. They're all stuck in line waiting for gas.
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>>530461220
HAHAHAHAHA
Are the chuds tired of winning yet?
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Trump: There is almost nothing left to attack in Iran. A little here and there... Whenever I want it to end - it will end. The war with Iran will end soon.

>Trump: There is almost nothing left to attack in Iran. A little here and there... Whenever I want it to end - it will end. The war with Iran will end soon.

Trump: There is almost nothing left to attack in Iran. A little here and there... Whenever I want it to end - it will end. The war with Iran will end soon.
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>>530461348
See >>530461368


HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHYOU LSOT
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>>530461220
you know what they say in for a penny
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>>530459954
1) mossad flipped the chessboard last year with a surprise attack on iran's air defenses
we've had complete air superiority since then
the cost/benefit of a US/iran war changed completely
2) all that buzzword "big data" stuff has actually materialized in one particularly useful way, which is generating target lists that will be verified by a human but are based on more data than a team of humans could ever process (think an entire region's cell and internet data crossreferenced with humint and the rest)
israel demonstrated this in the last two years and the US DOD has been desperate to try it out
it works, kind of
we simply didn't have the ability to hit 2000 targets a day and have at least 1000 of them be useful until now
but as israel demonstrated you will just turn your battlefield into a rubble filled wasteland if you do it for too long

people forget because it's been so long, but achieving regime change from a safe distance is just a matter of offensive/defense tech balance. the US and britain did it several times in the 1800s, then the 1890s onwards saw a rapid advancement in entrenchment technology so we had to go back to bayonets and flag draped coffins.
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>>530461474
BASED

kike bros? our response?
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>>530460708
that poor guy is delusional. irak invaded iran 1 year after the revolution, in 1980, when the regime was at its weakest, before it had any time to consolidate, and after 8 years and millions dead, the regime was still in place
the diaspora as a whole is delusional. or paid. or retarded. but they have no real support inside the country
don't get me wrong, many inside the country do hate the regime. but what they hate more is foreign intervention and dropping bombs on them has the complete opposite effect
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>>530461220
OH NONONONONONONONONONONO
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>>530458807
He's a shitposter, not gonna lie, sometimes I laugh at his posts, but he is an absolute clown. He's also either a she or a tranny.
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>We won if you really wanna know the truth about it bish

lol I think they thought Iran would go as easy as Venezuela. Getting out before it turns into another Vietnam
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>>530461432
But then....
Pump my fucking bags cunts.
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>>530461220
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>>530460820
Still intercepter math maxxing?

It's been debunked they use interceptors for drones.

They have something the Ukrainians don't. They have control of their own airspace, and can they can utilize rotor and fixed wing aircraft to destroy drones.
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>>530461496
hold on, kike bros! victory is around corner!
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If we could rangeban Israeli IPs from posting on this board everything would be so much better but we have to deal with the unfortunate descendants of the unholocausted.
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>>530461564
>>530461496
HHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH HE IS PUSSYING OUT
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>two more weeks
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>>530461220
*drops shoulders*
ahhh.... now that's good news.
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>>530461564
I hope that isn't accurate. Iran will just rebuild and go back double time to building a nuke. It would be RETARDED to quit now.
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>>530461496
The simple fact is, no matter how buckbroken the US looks by giving up here, Trump has no other real option. Invading and going all-in with boots on the ground would be a legitimately catastrophic failure.
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>>530461311
>Is Ukraine destroyed?

Uhh, yes it is? Ukraine has constant power cuts, its energy infrastructure is in tatters, their civilian strategy has taken hits too and MANY investors have pulled out from Ukraine. Unlike GCC though, Ukraine isn't a sand dune country and by far is much bigger and better connected to the West, than say, fucking Qatar, who's extremely dependent on oil & gas, and international investors sending their capital there for big projects, projects that will never materialize if the war drags on.
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>ANYTIME I WANT TO END THIS WAR I CAN
I HAVE THE AUTHORITY
>Please accept ceasefire after I killed your whole family
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>>530461368
From very soon to soon. What happened?
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>>530461638
>Uhh, yes it is?
Stopped reading here.
700k Russian soldiers and an ongoing war against an enemy that is "destroyed."
Yeah. Makes sense.
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>>530461612
Ah nevermind, these desperate niggers are trying to calm the markets again
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>>530461671
who will unblock hormuz?
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>>530458602
>qatar pm SHEIKH MOHAMMAD
>unfortunately there are, like, some justifications
>we would be, like, the glimpse of hope
war's over
total california cultural victory
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>>530461626
Iran won. You lost, retard. This isn't some "b-but we HAVE to do x y z" situation, you have nothing to leverage or exploit. The jews literally just lost.
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>>530458807
this guy is ruining his credibility with this whole nuke obsession
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>>530461571
yea, let’s just hover apaches 24/7 over every potential drone target in the region, indefinitely. seems like a sound, sustainable strategy
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>>530459772
how are they losing 75% when there are no interceptors? sheer incompetence leading to a 75% failure rate or are there other forms of AA/point defence?
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>>530461773
Topple the regime or it's a loss, anon. Simple as.
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>>530461415
>This sorry excuse was used to explain both why WW1 and WW2 could never happen.
I didn't ask for your deflection and strawmanning. Again. How do you respond without sounding mad?
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>>530461626
ground tropps or call it quits, theres no other option left. midterms coming right up too, make your choice
tik tok, you lost your status as global hegemon, you dont have the cards. the ball is in your court. it's over
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>>530461397
>she thinks china's reserves are public information
I bet you believed the AI when it told you Iran's missile stocks too. Keep showing off your high IQ sister. China is coming to the rescue any day now
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>>530461853
>browns would lie to me?
lol
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>>530461638
Yet Russia still can't take it?
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>Bear Grylls Explorers Camp,
Jebel Jais Adventure Park, UAE
You sleep in those
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>>530459908
I think they expected the US to defend them, at least that's the idea I got. Then again jews have been praising the iron dome for decades, and by the first conflict with Iran, it was clear it was all a lie.
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>>530461882
>ground tropps or call it quits
Which is what I said a week ago and repeatedly since then ITT. Trump's being fucking retarded about this because he's afraid of soldier deaths. It's war. Shit happens. Don't start some shit like this unless you're willing to finish it otherwise you look retarded. Again.
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State of the USA
> Attorney General Pam Bondi is currently living on a military base in Washington, D.C. due to alleged threats from the Cartels and for potential political violence stemming from the Epstein scandal.

>Notably, Bondi is now among various Trump administration members living on a military base, including Stephen Miller, Marco Rubio, Kristi Noem, and Pete Hegseth. - NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/10/us/politics/bondi-military-housing-threats.html
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>>530458936
>>530459115

Satellites do the job. Every single thermal signature on earth is immediately evaluated and classified. Missiles have distinct signatures, so it's literal child's play for the US to instantly id them.

It's the same as when Iran tried to send a few hundred missiles to Isreal awhile back: most were intercepted because they were immediately marked. Plus it revealed a bunch of launch sites.

The issue for the Persians now is that every time they launch a missile, even if the missile gets off, that launch site is immediately bombed so can't be reused.

Retarded Iranians could have had one of the best tourist destinations on earth and could have fought the west by offering near zero taxes to entice mega corps to relocate there. Instead they decided to be a retarded theocracy and will have the biological bloodlines of their cleric families obliterated to extention. Darwin award at its finest.
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>>530461872
So we DEFINITELY agree that Iran won, got it.
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>>530461853
>how are they losing 75% when there are no interceptors? sheer incompetence leading to a 75% failure rate or are there other forms of AA/point defence?
look how they are shooting down shaheeds, it's genuinely over. iran has elevated itself to superpower status. they won, kudos to them.
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>>530461496
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>Iran's evil regime can't no longer exist
>W-well, irans nuclear arsenal must be destroyed along with it's nuclear program
>W-well the Iranian people should rise up
>W-well the Kurds and Azeris will help us out
>W-well we can completely destroy their missile launching capabilities
>W-well we can at least destroy their oil facilities
>W-well we can reopen the strait
>W-well there is almost nothing left to attack, the war with Iran will end soon

Pathetic, to be humiliated like this.
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>>530462010
Yes, absolutely. If Trump doesn't succeed in toppling the regime it's absolutely a loss. Why are you happy about this, though?
>American flag
>celebrating American loss
Are all four of your grandparents native born Americans?
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>>530462026
You can't do that very long. Those planes require alot of maintenance
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>>530462025
looks flammable
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>>530462006
except they’re still launching missiles and drones every day, successfully hitting tel aviv with little to no warning, and trump is the one groveling for a ceasefire already. something doesn’t add up
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>>530462124
yes, which begs the question, why are they resorting to doing it? could it be that they are really out of interceptors? according to shills, thats not a possibility
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>>530462092
>>Iran's evil regime can't no longer exist
>>W-well, irans nuclear arsenal must be destroyed along with it's nuclear program
>>W-well the Iranian people should rise up
>>W-well the Kurds and Azeris will help us out
>>W-well we can completely destroy their missile launching capabilities
>>W-well we can at least destroy their oil facilities
>>W-well we can reopen the strait
>>W-well there is almost nothing left to attack, the war with Iran will end soon

lol
trump done fuck it up
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>>530461574
> (((Feierstein))), a former senior U.S. diplomat

Yeah, really rolling out the military experts here. Retard.
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Just two more weeks guys
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>>530462200
Look at this one last night
No air defence at all
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>>530461945
I'm not arguing that. If you're going to strawman then at least put an effort. >>530461687
Oh so then if it's not destroyed then what is it then, amigo?
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>>530460772
>but chinks will be out of oil, and they will go full total shianigger death on Iran
clueless nigger
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>>530462112
>muh politics is a team sport
Yeah no, the government is ran by zionist jew rapists who are beholden to Israeli political ambitions which directly harm the US (just like right now with this very war). If you support this war and administration, you are an actual traitor.
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>>530462203
Looks like the beginning of 9/11 2 the movie
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>>530462203
>yes, which begs the question, why are they resorting to doing it?
Because it's cheaper. Have you not followed the war in Ukraine? Are you some fucking shill paid to post here with no understanding of what's going on?

>>530462243
>Oh so then if it's not destroyed then what is it then, amigo?
Not-destroyed.
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>>530462112
Eat shit retard bootlicker faggot. Being an american doesnt obligate you to support a retarded, incompetent, hostile, kiked regime ran by pedophiles in their jewish expansionism wars
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>>530461496
This is their best option. What is bombing Iran some more going to accomplish? Tel Aviv is getting shredded, the pool is closed, american bases are still attacked. And the worst thing of all for them is that the iranians don't give a fuck about overthrowing their government. Just leave jews with the bag.
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>>530462112
what the hell does this conflict have to do with americans or american interests? we are watching israel and its vassal state operate, why the fuck would you support that unless you’re a pedophile with a summer home in tel aviv?
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>>530462006
Are ya winning for Israel son?
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>>530462292
>zionist jew rapists
Oh, so you chose retardation. Okay. I thought I was talking to a human.
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>>530460498
>Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, and they've managed this shit basically on their own.
Disingenuous because Ukraine had benefited for a shit tonne of financial aid.
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>>530459203
Why do they even bother? If Iran got them once then they can get them again.
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>>530462375
Wow, so they're no longer the poorest country in Europe?
Can you answer this question?
A yes / no answer, please.
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>Who will save the USA in this time of strife
>Fucking no-one
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>>530460498
>and they've managed this shit basically on their own.
lol. they have received massive military and financial support from EU and america, what are you on about
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>>530461952
>Jebel Jais
still haven't rode this route on mywhoosh
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Bloomberg: Somaliland will allow Israel to gather intelligence and carry out operations against the Houthis in Yemen
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Statement by Centcom Commander: 50,000 soldiers in the Middle East, US combat power is being built up, waves of strikes against Iran every hour. Artificial intelligence is used for information
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>>530462243
>Oh so then if it's not destroyed then what is it then
I certainly hope it isn't destroyed. I'm going to Kyiv for a holiday in a few weeks.
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>>530462429
The orange man is the kind of chess player who will blunder the queen and then throw the game to promote another queen just to blunder it too
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>>530462429
and china/russia will be tracking that for them from before it leaves korea
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>>530462360
>no counterargument to objective, observable facts about the current political class of the US federal government on several levels
I accept your concession. Go get blown up by some raghead IRGC screamer if you love Israel so much. Leave the rest of us out of it, rapeslave.
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Iran won't let him TACO, declare victory, and return to the status quo without extracting some concessions to ensure this doesn't happen again next year after a year of rearming.
I think it's dawning on ZOG they have two options. Boots on the ground or concessions.
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>>530462476
>Somaliland will allow Israel
Well that tells me everything I need to know about that fake country
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>two /pig/ threads
>one is six hours old and slow
>the other (this one) is an hour old but spammed up bythirdies
talk about slow news day
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>>530462531
Israel will go (more) genocidal.
Irans terms are TKD
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>>530462476
>somaliland
Woah what the fuck is that
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>>530461980
>>Notably, Bondi is now among various Trump administration members living on a military base, including Stephen Miller, Marco Rubio, Kristi Noem, and Pete Hegseth.
They should all get the firing squad while they are there.
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>>530462311
>Not destroyed?
I think you're trying to say a different word, but your doublethink won't let you say it, fair enough. Let's pretend the GCC remains at war "not-destroyed", for half as long as Ukraine has managed to wage war against Russia. A group of sandcastles that imports all their food, all their essential materials, and needs to export oil and gas to survive, while trying to attract foreign investors by cleaning their public image. How does this current war fit into that equation?
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>>530462559
turns out kikes are actually shit at infowar so IMO they have pivoted to strangling the flow of all info
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>>530462648
So you admit Ukraine is not destroyed.
Good.
Way to humiliate yourself.
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Hezbollah is shifting back to guerrilla warfare as it prepares for a possible Israeli ground invasion of southern Lebanon.

Fighters are operating in small units, avoiding electronic communications to prevent Israeli surveillance, and conserving anti-tank rockets.
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>>530462531
>I think it's dawning on ZOG they have two options. Boots on the ground or concessions.
And every day they delay those concessions are going to get worse.
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NEXT: RECYCLE
>>530447907
>>530447907
>>530447907
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>>530462762
Why tf can't they just use millions of drones like Ukraine?
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>>530462675
>IMO they have pivoted to strangling the flow of all info
sure, Mossad is secretly censoring everything and israel is collapsing and yadda yadda yadda. that's totally the reason why /pig/ has gotten slow, not because there's barely anything going on other than that serb spamming the same pasties what ever garbongo is being said on twitter
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>>530462684
>Still attempting to strawman
Anon, just because you're faced with facts doesn't mean you have to throw a tantrum and deflect all the way to Kyiv to feel good about yourself. You still haven't answered my original question, and you're still mad about it.
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>>530462516
Based Donald is playing chess, trannies are playing chequers
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>>530462762
israel will not send forces anywhere, they would be humiliated at all the HD footage of their “soldiers” wearing diapers. their only options right now are nuke iran or false flag on US soil
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early bake otherwise you just couped again by shill
>>530462898
>>530462898
>>530462898
new
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bake
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>>530462862
whatever Carlos
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>>530462959
Who's Carlos?
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Defense Minister Israel Katz in his assessment of the situation: "The Iranian leadership that survived are fleeing like mice into the tunnels, just like the Hamas leadership in Gaza.


Defense Minister Israel Katz in his assessment of the situation: "The Iranian leadership that survived are fleeing like mice into the tunnels, just like the Hamas leadership in Gaza. From there they give orders to shoot at civilians and children in Israel and throughout the region. Cold rooms in Iranian hospitals are filled with many thousands of IRGC and Basij personnel. The operation led by President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu will continue without any time limit - until we achieve all the objectives and decide the campaign.
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>>530462559
They already tried giving the turdies their own coping thread like /chug/ (it was called /pigg/ or something uncreative) but much like its predecessor, without actual humans to stimulate them in argument, they just resort to posting lolicon images.

So instead they'll just work in tandem here, posting unsourced tweets from other shitskin "news" accounts while the others mass reply to them as if its gospel. But everyone can see right through it so its pointless, plus they still haven't posted any real proof of Iran winning like I asked at the start of the thread.
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>>530462476
Wtf I hate niggers now
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>>530463199
tired of winning
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>>530462203
Israel had to call a truce during the 12 day war specifically because it's planes couldnt fly anymore without an overhaul
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>>530463278
wow they really hate jews
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>>530462648
>GCC ends up looking like ukraine
nigger what?
we have so much room to escalate
if we had intel 20 million gulf civilians were at risk we'd move up the target list and give them an epic humanitarian crisis to distract them
saddam hussein said it best, if the US really wanted they would turn baghad to dust and all his troops would leave kuwait immediately to check on their families
nobody seems to appreciate how much we can rain down if some sandnigger terrorist decides 20 million of our friends are valid targets
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>>530459158
Why Lebanese people twice?
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>>530461496
WTF TRUMP YOU CAN'T KEK OUT LIKE THAT I WANTED DEAD ZOGBOT FPV KINO
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>>530459617
you missed the 100k, at least, not in the picture. They all should be dead. Ghouls are legion.
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>>530463408
If you had that intel, you would intentionally withhold it, until the very last second, then create a worse humanitarian crisis, for both sides, just like 9/11.
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>>530459260
The whole area is fucked with spoofing
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Threadly reminder

All of this is the fault of evangelicals on both sides of the US government and their insane suicidal reverence towards Jews and jewishness. Evangelical boomers are nearing death and are rushing to make the book of revelations reality so they can be raptured, assuring their access to heaven having lived such sinful lives. Trump only won 2024 because the October 7 2023 attacks exposed rampant, justified, antisemitism across not just the left but nearly all youths, including millennials in the US. This could not stand so the Jews put trump in power. This war would have happened no matter what. The only difference is that the bombs would have pride flags printed on the nose and missiles would be all black with black lives matter emblazoned across them. I denounce the talmud. Reply to this post to denounce the talmud and Jewish tricks. Too many of you are not denouncing and it's concerning. Are you a brave enough anon to denounce the talmud? I'm starting to get angry Jewish comments on this which means we're over the target. Muslims are gay too! The entire abrahamic tree is poisonous
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>>530461727
ALLAH (Blessed be the name)
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>>530458607
bruh what? seriously?
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>>530463764
>"vessels"
>many of them moving over land
kek. it's utterly fucked
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>>530463911
Yeah he got metoo’d some skank claimed daterape drugged I think and he got him for the whole nine yards
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the thing is would the iranians let him just walk out now that they have fully committed to it?
they can still keep the strait closed and bombing israel regardless if the golems pull out or not with the demand of lifting all the sanctions from them, cucking israel and leaving the middle east entirely.
i think danhald doesn't fully realize wtf he got himself into
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reminder
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>>530461220
If true the solution is evident: US must conquest and make Iran the 51st state.
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>>530463948
It's hard to defend against because GPS are from geostationary satellites 38,000km away and the signal is weak
Surprised starlink cant provide the functionality, even if it had worse resolution
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>>530463834
But anon, Ali (p.b.u.h.) is already blocking Hormuz. He is Allah.
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>>530461565
MASH’ALLAH!
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>>530462006
Come on go join the front lines and die for Israel, you cum dumpster for kikes
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>>530462200
Did you not read? The missiles launched may make it to their destination, but the launch pad will be blown up. Iran's only strategy is to target a bunch of civil infrastructure in nearby, non combatant areas so that those countries will plead with the US to stop. Simultaneously they release a bunch of propaganda to try and sway the US public.

Their goal is to last just long enough not to run out of military munitions and infrastructure, running on hopes and prayers that the US will give up in time for the midterms. But the Republicans and going to lose the midterms no matter what. Trump is going to let this play out as a slow burn to reduce US troop losses at the cost of his presidency. If it works and Iran falls, it would be well worth it.
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Yes I am a white nationalist. Yes I believe that Muslims are our brothers in eradicating Judaism. Hitler believed this as well.
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>>530462355
In a world where Iran is going to act like a toddler unless they get their way, yes. Yes, I vote timeout for their government.
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>>530462354
The entire world would like a fanatic government that blows up things around it randomly and indiscriminately neutralized. An unstable, chaotic regime like Iran deters investment and destabilizes regions. Zero people would care if they played zealots in the confines of their territory, but they instead prefer to sponsor terrorism around the world. Not worth allowing to live.
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>>530460516
>government is falling
>source - known mossad propaganda operator

Ayylmao
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>>530464788
sound right
he's got three years left
his official out for the midterms was the demand to pass the SAVE act
they won't so he gets to wash his hands of it
what congress? americans hate congress more than mosquitos
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I dont like jews, but I'm not buying this shitskin gloating.
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>>530458936
Aren't those satellites mostly aimed at the launching sites of ex-Soviet Union/Russia? AFAIK know those early warning networks are not freely movable across the globe but pretty much used to warn of ICBM launches. Not every single regional missile someone launches anywhere. But maybe you know better, my knowledge myight be outdated.



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