If so, you are dumb.
>>530460642Threadly reminder that Catholics aren't Christian
hey, leave my constipated shit poster alone. He just read the bible and took its teachign serious.
>>530460642Luther was smarter than any shabbos Anglobeta though
>>530460642great pitch, really send a message of care and concern and definitely doesn't come across as a cult member looking down on anyone that disagrees with his particular cult.
>>530460642Hey
Lmao.
>>530460753Yes they are. Why do you think they're not Christian? Are you actually going to give a reason for your ignorance, or are you just going to post without any evidence to back it up?
>>530460642You can go swivel. You and your pope. Your priests probably do anyway.
>>530461082For one thing, you're polytheists who worship perverted "Saints" like St Bernard as well as worshipping Mary as the "Queen of Heaven" Enjoy Hell
>>530460642Very Catholic.
>Destroys the monopoly of information
>>530461226>polytheistYou are a kike
>>530460642>no, dont read the bible that destroys our political empireget fucked papist
>>530461226As I said before, ignorant. Only faggots believe Catholics worship saints.
>no you're worshipping God the wrong way!!!tiresome
>>530461406>nooo, prayer and bowing, lighting candles and incense isnt actual worshiphow will you justify yourself before God? do you think you can pull that pilpul before the One that knows your heart?
>>530460642I feel much freer now that I am certain the pope is the Antichrist
>>530461551you think God is mad about reverence for the saints? pfft hahahahahaha
>Largest library of information>Somehow cannot tell you about the lost years of Christ
>>530461406personally i dont use that word to describe the behavior. but i have seen things that are really not correct. if the Lord says not to bow yourself down to images and i see pic rel (which i took myself btw) then in all good conscience i have to object
no, it's the hateful people shrieking about "idolatry" and "blasphemy" and "heresy" that have darkened hearts
>>530461551I'm more worried about how you will justify yourself before God for refusing to acknowledge the truth of His Church.
>>530461585He's not.
>>530460642>Are you Protestant?No>If so, you are dumb.I'm not so thanks...uwu>>530461585>pope>antichristDon't give the pope that much powerHe's just a dumbass liberal boomer type. Not cool enough to be THE antichrist.
What were those commandments againI think it was "Love"anyway you're fucking it up, please fix that
>>530461702Im already in his Church since he was the one that brought me in.I dont associate with harlots.
>>530461745Then you don't believe in the infallibility of the Pope. You can stop yout larp here
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>>530461406>"We're not praying to Saints, we're praying to Saints so they'll pray to us!"That's how minor deities worked in relation to higher deities in prayer in every other polytheistic system in human history. You're not fooling anyone, Satanist.
>>530461930https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lHahq2PVoA
>>530461874God only brings people to the Catholic Church since that is the true Church.
>>530461890I didn't say that I was CatholicAnd you don't understand what the infallibility of the pope is. Ex cathedra. Not everything the pope does is infallible.
>>530461937i think the main point is that throughout the entire Bible not a single person prays to anyone apart from God. it probably one of the most universal and consistent elements of how people interacted with the Lord and i see zero reason to deviate from it.
Here is Martin Luther, in "On the Jews and their Lies," (Von den Jüden und iren Lügen) on women and Jews (he is mad that Judaism does not count women as people in the quorum for prayer):"That is the same as saying that he should assist them in blaspheming God and in viewing his creatures with disdain, including the women, who are also human beings and the image of God as well as we; more over, they are our own flesh and blood, such as mother, sister, daughter, housewives, etc. For in accordance with the aforementioned threefold song of praise, they do not hold Sarah (as a woman) to be as noble as Abraham (as a man). Perhaps they wish to honor themselves for being born half noble, of a noble father, and half ignoble, of an ignoble mother."Martin Luther is just another example of how Judaism is correct on the women and homosexual question while christianity is a false and objectively an EVIL religion
>>530462057>god brings you into paganismdont call satan your god
>>530460642I'm Christian.I'm not taking sides, I'm not picking a team.I'm going to study the traditions of Rome, the mysticism of Orthodoxy, the writings of the desert fathers, even the journals of the campfire spirituals in the old west.You can't make me pick a side.
>>530460642imagine still being christian after the vatican rapes kids thing.
>>530462127TRUE CHRISTIAN LIBERTY
>>530462098jew
>>530462188wait until you find out about jewish synagogues and public schools
>>530462086Catholics have no rebuttal to this
>>530462115I think Satan might be deceiving you right now, my friend.
>>530462059That's my point. Protestants are heretic filfth but Catholics claiming this is a Pope aren't better in their cognitive dissonance.
>>530460753>>530460642threadlt reminder that they're all kikes, so who gives a shit?
>>530462086>>530462290We don't deviate from it. Asking saints to pray for us in no way replaces prayer to the Lord.
infallibility in a fallen world? lol just lol
>>530460753first post worst post
>>530462290>Christ's first miracle being performed after people asked Mary to ask Jesus to perform onebut then again Jesus also says this>27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.>28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.and Paul said this:>For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
>>530462270i know about schools i had to go to one as a kid, and as for jews I remember kappys deadman switch video.
LOTS OF CONCEIT, VANITY, AND PRIDE IN THIS THREAD... AND NOT ENOUGH LOVEF
>>530462467John 10:30
>>530462413i dont mean to say it replaces prayer to the Lord. its done in addition and its that addition for which i see absolutely no reason or justification.
>>530462303is the eurachist the actual blood and flesh of Jesus?do you taste actual blood and flesh when participating?was the sacrifice ONCE on the cross enough for forgiveness of sins or was it not?
>>530461937Prayers towards saints is asking for God to work through them. In the end it's God's work that allows it to happen. Nobody thinks a random saint holds the same power of God and if they do they're wrong.
Kind and friendly reminder. If you are an atheist, you are dumb.Also, Judaism is the only true religion. If you believe in kiketianity or pisslam, you're a retard.Read this book, it's thin
>>530462467Mary certainly is highly blessed amongst women seeing how she was granted the incredible role of bearing the second Person of the Trinity into this world and was with Him throughout His entire earthly life. truly, what a blessing!But theres no reason for praying to her.
>>530462610how do you know they are saints and not demons you pray to?
>>530462571>i see absolutely no reason or justification.good thing you're not the arbiter of that justification
>>530462582All we're doing is following the Bible and the words of Jesus.
>>530462683>If you are an atheist, you are dumb.I have recently been reading up on Altlitzer's death of god theology. Boy oh boy, is he dangerously flirting with what could be labled as atheism. Neverthless, it is still doctrinal and according to the orginal message of christ, as far as i can tell.
>>530462610Catholics aren't the first to pray to minor deities to pray for them to a major deity. Pure polytheism.
>>530462808answer the question.was Jesus sacrifice on the cross enough for the forgiveness of sins or do we have to add to it by sacrificing him again and again?
>>530460642you're literally brown and have a lower IQ than a chimpanzee
>>530462758Saint were living humans, not demons. Prayer is meant to be a communal thing and it's essentially honoring their devotion to God.Also, the Bible references the power of saints in Revelations.Revelation 5:8>When he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
>>530462340Okay but I'm still not Catholic>>530462683>Also, Judaism is the only true religionFunny way of spelling Zoroastrianismbut thanks for the book recommendation
>>530462885Saints aren't deities, they are people. >>530462921
>>530462921>quoting Revelation for your heretical practicesthis is retarded since Revelation gives us a picture from the spiritual realm.every human that died is asleep and waits for the second coming of Jesus and resurrection.God heard Abels blood from the ground in Genesis 4.>10 And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground. the saints cry out from the earth, they are not in heaven talking to God on behalf of you.
>>530462972you treat them as deities, not persons that are asleep in the ground waiting for the resurrection.
>>530462805in the end we have to decide what our consciences will bear and i believe that God has given us His Word to that end. If i only see people praying to God then im not going to pray to any other.If im wrong, what did i lose, what sin did i commit? If you're wrong, what have you been doing all these years?
>>530463210you're gamifying and gambling with sin which misses the point. your entire existence is sin. if some people feel closer to god by getting help from the saints then that's for them, not for you to judge.
>>530463145First of all, souls live in heaven or hell after death and judgement, not sleeping in the ground. Genesis 4 is about God's omniscience and hearing Abel as a victim suffering under being killed by Cain. Has nothing to do with saints.
>>530462886We don't sacrifice him again. It's a re-presentation in an unbloody manner. It makes the one sacrifice of Calvary present across time and space.
>>530463180There is a difference between the soul and human body. Souls aren't dormant in the ground on death.
>>530463543>souls live in heaven or hell after death and judgementjudgement is on the last day when Jesus returns.>not sleeping in the groundthe bible speaks about sleeping after death, waiting for the resurrection and rebukes the eternal soul concept. Jesus talks about the death of the soul.>Genesis 4 is about God's omniscience and hearing Abel as a victim suffering under being killed by Cain.is Abel as soul in heaven or a person in the ground?
>>530463430>you're gamifying and gambling with sin which misses the point. your entire existence is sin.no, i understand that. but that doesn't mean you can giving caring about if you are actively engaged in yet more sin does it. might as well extend that logic to all manner of evil.>if some people feel closer to god by getting help from the saints then that's for them, not for you to judge.i judge it to be wrong for me to do it because i see absolutely no need or reason to do it. some people mind feel closer to God by bowing themselves done to graven images or by endlessly repeating mantras or doing zen meditation, but again, i judge that to be wrong based on what i see in the Bible. of course, if someone else thinks those things are ok then they will go ahead and do it.
>>530460642Leave it to a brit to defend a system with endemic buttfucking going on, collecting saints like they're trading cards, and revering Leo the supreme child fucker. Ever tried worshipping Jesus for a change? Aren't you a bit busy being subjugated by your sandnigger overlords to post here?
>>530463590>We don't sacrifice him again. It's a re-presentation in an unbloody manner.then you are not a roman catholic since roman catholic doctrine defines the eucharist as the literal blood and flesh of Christ sacrificed anew for the forgiveness of sins.>It makes the one sacrifice of Calvary present across time and space.a yes, because calvary was not enough once and for all time and has to be repeated?
>>530463722thats a demonic doctrine of life being an existence after death which is not biblical.God gives you the breath of Life, once your body expires you no longer have breath to animate you, your body and soul rests until youre given breath anew in the resurrection.there is no afterlife. afterlife is a pagan and demonic doctrine. your soul is not self existent, you are not God, the existence of your soul is dependent on God.
>>530461874Sorry the OTC is the retards Orthodox who worships like mudslimesAs a Catholic myself I don't really like it but it is a fact that their church is the only one who had verifiable lineage back to JesusProtestant is a fake religion who uses the word of Jesus for their own gainChristian in of itself is badly defined, I like the term The Original Church because anyone who believes in Jesus is a Christian and this includes mahmed the pedophile
>>530460642You're dumb if you're still a christian in 2026.
>>530463866anon, they do call it a re-presentation, like the bong said. its the continuation of the sacrifice that some take issue with, instead of it being a completed act that happened at a point in time. Christ is not still on the Cross.
>>530464045demons believe in Jesus too.James 218But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. 24You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
>>530464045>As a Catholic myself I don't really like it but it is a fact that their church is the only one who had verifiable lineage back to Jesusthat really is just Romanist cope. Rome was in no way prime until many centuries after Christ, and many Churches were directly started by the Apostles...why are they any less connected to their beginnings? for a long time there was no such concept as the 'Roman' Catholic Church. it was just The Church, of which all the Christians were a part, East and West.
>>530463741There is a particular judgment after death, and a general judgement for humanity on the second coming.>After death Luke 16:22-23 "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side."The point of the resurrection is the life of the eternal soul being reunited with a restored heavenly body.The death of the soul is a spiritual death, meaning eternal suffering.Abel's soul is in heaven, body in the ground.
>>530464146roman catholicism claims the priest has the right to sarifice Christ again in the eucharist.them claiming its just a "symbol" is not what the roman catholic doctrine says. they call it a miracle as if Jesus is literally in the flesh and blood anew to be sacrificed.
>>530461294MY INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE IS JUST AS HECKING VALID AS THE COMBINED EFFORT OF THOUSANDS OF EXPERTS
>>530463866>then you are not a roman catholic since roman catholic doctrine defines the eucharist as the literal blood and flesh of Christ sacrificed anew for the forgiveness of sins.That's not the doctrine. Yes, it's the Body and Blood of Christ, as Jesus literally said in the Bible crystal clear, but it's a representation, not a repetition.
>>530464412>quoting Luke 16this is the exact point where Jesus rebukes the eternal soul concept and life after death.>The death of the soul is a spiritual death, meaning eternal suffering.there is no eternal suffering of the soul. the soul can die as Jesus said.Matthew 1028 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.[a]Revelation 20Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.death is death. not eternal suffering. the eternal consequence of death is non existence. your soul dies forever.>Abel's soul is in heaven, body in the ground.thats absolute bullshit. Abel waits for the resurrection like everyone else. only Jesus is in heaven with God.
>>530464261Demons' faith on God is so strong that they disagree when He made Men on His image. Demon is, as per scripture, believers in God, thus they believe in the Son and the Holy Spirit. That doesn't make them Christian per se but yes they are a believers. How can you not when you literally can converse with Him? >>530464347That's literally what I'm saying? Roman Catholic lineage is verifiable only to St. Peter and it isn't clear whether the Papacy is based on his word or interpretation from later organization. Eastern Orthodox is closer to the true lineage based on temporal and spatial history. While in mid-century the Vatican is pure trash I believe that they are closer than ever to the teaching of Jesus so I have no problems in following His teachings through the Papacy
>>530464427>sarifice Christ again in the eucharist.they say its one and same sacrifice, not a different sacrifice. https://www.gotquestions.org/Holy-Eucharist.html>>530464512its really as simple as there just being no reason or need or a single example of anyone praying to another beside God. its very simple and im ok with that. if i dont pray anyone else beside God, is that wrong? If i pray to someone beside God and it is wrong, that would seem to be the greater offense
>>530464579>Yes, it's the Body and Blood of Christ, as Jesus literally said in the Bible crystal cleardid the bread and wine turn into his literal blood and flesh and the disciples consumed his literal blood and flesh?>but it's a representation, not a repetition.then you are not a roman catholic. ask your priest.
>>530464512>We changed the name from Yeshua to Jesus>Despite thousands of experts.
>>530464728>That's literally what I'm saying?seems i misunderstood what you were saying, sorry about that. Just keep in mind that its ok to see if what any church teaches is true by looking in the Bible.The Bereans were praised for doing so.
>>530464728>How can you not when you literally can converse with Him?do you think demons have access to God?
>>530464753>they say its one and same sacrificethus Jesus sacrifice is not enough for them for the forgiveness of sins.thats a different Jesus than the Jesus of the bible. the sacrifice once was enough to pay for all sins. it doesnt have to be repeated.
>>530460642Do you guys still sell indulgences? I'm planning to commit some sins later, so I would like to buy some first so it doesn't go on my record.
>>530464881Did you read the Bible? Mark 5:7-13Is the answer of something that doesn't believe in God?
>>530465003hahahaha lol thats not how it works.
>>530465142demons do believe in God. id say its more than belief even, because they know damn well He's there. its a brute fact for them.
>>530465142that is when God was present on earth in the flesh. my question is if demons have access to God in heaven.
>>530464686>this is the exact point where Jesus rebukes the eternal soul concept and life after death.No it doesn't. Say how it does if you're sure.>only Jesus is in heaven with God.Wrong again. Rev 7:9 "After this I looked, and there was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation... standing before the throne and before the Lamb..."
>>530465177I need to buy some to get me out of purgatory quicker. How much would that cost? Is there a conversion rate? Or do you guys need me to buy services and supplies now?
>>530465224Yes and that doesn't makes them Christian just like the Angels isn't a Christian either because their existence predates Men so the terms doesn't make senseChristian is someone who who follow the teaching of Jesus as told in the Bible, I think that's a definition that we can agree onWhether it is Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant, Mormons, or what have you is teachings His Word in its truest form is a matter of debate and personal beliefs but that doesn't makes them not ChristianIslam believes in Jesus the person but not Jesus the Son, that makes them NOT a Christian
>>530460642You are not going to inherit eternal life because you reject Jesus. Therefore you are condemned.
>>530460642>anti-luther: OMG BLESS ISRAEL *sucks cocks*>Luther: "DROWN THEM IN THE ELBE RIVER!"mhhhhhhh
>>530460642Oh no. Not another thread where dead-kike-on-a-stick worshipers argue about minutia and whose team they're on again. It was retarded in the 1st century. It's retarded now.
>>530465283Not currently because they are cast out of heaven as per Rev 12:7-9Before that it is an implied yes
>>530464783>did the bread and wine turn into his literal blood and flesh and the disciples consumed his literal blood and flesh?The Body and Blood maintains the appearance of bread and wine, as you very well know, but refuse to believe, even though Jesus spelled it out for you.>then you are not a roman catholic. ask your priest.Catholic doctrine literally teaches it's a representation. maybe if you actually knew about Catholic doctrine you would know that.
Catholics remind me of Hispanics. Hispanics will testify that fast food and even sit down Mexican restaurants are not real Mexican food. But their Mom makes the best Mexican food. an you try it and its literally the same thing you will get from every other Mexican restaurant. so you just sit there and nod when they tell you that they are the one true church, even though its literally just the same as the other Christian churches.
>>530465521>just like the Angels isn't a Christian either because their existence predates Men so the terms doesn't make senseid certainly agree that demons are not Christians since they hate Christ. Angels being Christians or not is an interesting question i suppose. For they certainly worship Him and obey Him, despite not requiring His sacrifice for sins, seeing as how they've been preserved from sin the whole time. >Islam believes in Jesus the person but not Jesus the Son, that makes them NOT a Christianyes, definitely. they not only have a false Jesus but also a false Gospel and a false God in general.
>>530465626lutherfags have to contend with the fact Christianity was somehow corrupt for 1500 years since its inception before they "fixed" it lolThey won't do the hard undertaking of just admitting its a bullshit kike psyop cult
>>530462188>imagine still being human after the human rapes humans thing
>>530465453>Say how it does if you're sure.because the religious leaders picked up the concept of the eternal soul from the pagans, mostly from egyptians, that believed life continues after death.their concept was that if you are a big rich guy on earth you are favored in the afterlife. especially Pharaos banked on this. even greeks, roman and nordics had this concept of your life on earth influencing the life after death in the underworld.Jesus rebuked this concept and told the religious leaders they are not the big guys after death like they think they are. he told them if it were so your life after death would be suffering because you lived so rich in this life, while Lazarus the beggar who had to rely on the crumbs of the teachers would be satisfied if their eternal soul concept would be true.he rebuked this entire pagan concept, not confirm it.there is judgement, but not eternal suffering. God does not sustain the dead with life for eternity, they are dead.>Wrong againstop quoting Revelation for your eternal soul concept, it doesnt hold up. it talks from a heavenly perspective.Revelation 2011 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
>>530465666>Oh no people having a discussion.Just go. It doesn't bother me one way or another on someone's interpretation of the Bible as long as it ends with the understanding in the one true God.
>>530465909it was.just look at the pope washing nigger feetabsolutely vile and disgusting"jews" need drowning, Jesus is king, Heil Hitlerits that simple
>>530465705that is correct.satan had access to God according to Job.but satan was thrown from heaven when Jesus ascended and received all authority in heaven and earth.
Is the average IQ on this board so fucking low that people will just fall for D&C threads in perpetuity? How do we reclaim this board?ALL FIELDS
>>530465946This is a very good take, if any discussions should strengthen one's faith in Him
>>530465909>corrupt for 1500 yearsnot really, because the doctrines of contention were for the most part not dogmatized until much later.
>>530466144i think its pretty obvious what these kinds of threads are supposed to do, but that doesn't mean we cant have an interesting and respectful conversation instead.
>>530465946The fictional desert demon named Yahweh or his fictional progeny certainly is not the one true god if even such a being exists.
>>530465714you didnt answer my question, did the bread turn into flesh and the wine into blood?>Catholic doctrine literally teaches it's a representation.are you serious?according to (((Wikipedia)))>Transubstantiation (Latin: transsubstantiatio, Greek: μετουσίωσις, romanized: metousiosis) is, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, "the change of the whole substance of bread into the substance of the Body of Christ and of the whole substance of wine into the substance of the Blood of Christ".[1][2] This change is brought about in the eucharistic prayer through the efficacy of the word of Christ and by the action of the Holy Spirit.according to the (((vatican)))5. These words highlight both the sacrifice, which pertains to the essence of the Mass that is celebrated daily, and the sacrament in which those who participate in it through holy Communion eat the flesh of Christ and drink the blood of Christ, and thus receive grace, which is the beginning of eternal life, and the "medicine of immortality" according to Our Lord's words: "The man who eats my flesh and drinks my blood enjoys eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day." (2)source:https://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_03091965_mysterium.html
>>530465943This I a very interesting perspective, what church can I go to and learn more? All the Nicene ones teach eternal soul
>>530465909Ill take "What caused the Dark Ages for 500, Alex". >During the Dark Ages, we stole money and suppressed information.......
>>530466395its literally just reading the bible.
Fuck no, all flavors of jewish penis are abhorrent and against nature. Yours as well OP.
>>530465666Thanks for posting your hall of fags Satan. Now go back to your jeet gay bar with the rest of your khazarain filth.
>>530460642Does this summary of the Gospel sound more like what Protestants believe, or what RCs/EOs believe?Romans 3:21-30:>21But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.>27Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
>>530466395There's no church you can go to, unless this guy sets one up himself.
>>530466240That is something that we can ascertain through discussion, He will find, and gracefully accepts you, if you seek for Him, whether knowingly or not
>>530460642Fuck off, paddy pagankike
Depends what you mean by Protestant. Non-denominationals aren't Protestant, they're just faggots with a Bible and grift. But if you mean Protestant proper in reformed Catholicism which maintains the liturgy of the early church then you are categorically smarter than Catholics. I just spent 4/6 months in OCIA, and while the Catholic Mass with a properly done Novus Ordo is beautiful (local Priest has his master's in Gregorian chant/music), any other High Church is just as capable. Additionally I don't agree with the way Vatican / Magisterium work through councils. Cardinal Ottaviano bullied the Pope into ruling that contraception was illicit for Catholics against the other 68 theologians and laity that were also at that council. The Pope also had to contend with over 600 more theologians that could show his ruling in Humanae Vitae has no theological support. Instead of reversing course the Church simply invented Theology of the Body and returned to Natural Law theory to reaffirm that sperm are teeny tiny humans and ejaculating anywhere but inside a vagina is infanticide. When you compare actual Protestants (Lutheran, Anglican, Episcopalian, Old Catholics) to the early church, they operate broadly much closer than modern Catholics, which has fallen to legalism like the pharisees. At least the Orthodox properly bind and loose sin as prescribed whereas Catholics use it to cudgel laity into submission.
>>530465943I really don't see where you're coming from, because if anything it confirms it. In Jesus's teaching in Luke 16 he says of the beggar after his death: "...father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment." I don't see where He says, and all of this is bullshit.> it talks from a heavenly perspective.Yes I understand this.
>>530460753Veneration, sacraments, exorcism are all biblical and practiced by Jesus Christ. Sorry your watered-down, backwoods version of Christianity doesn't know that.
>>530466568Philippians 212Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
>>530465976>>530466192so your god just let his "church bride" be erroneous and corrupt for 1500 years and did nothing lol
>>530466331>you didnt answer my question, did the bread turn into flesh and the wine into blood?Yes. While maintaining the appearance of bread and wine.The Mass is the same sacrifice in a different manner. It doesn't replace or usurp Calvary.
>>530465826>literally the same thing you will get from every other Mexican restaurant. Thanks for confirming that you've never eaten in a Mexican's home.
>>530466595yeah, rejection of eternal hell isn't very common though there are some groups that are veering that way.
>Trad Caths when you dont eat the cracker and drink the wine.
>>530466803>his "church bride"no, again thats a very Rome centric way of looking at it and you're playing the old game where you assume that what Rome teaches now it what has been taught since the 1st centruy. its just not true.
>>530460642I'm an Analytical Idealist and a Parapsychology enthusiast. I prefer philosophy and first-hand spiritual and psychic experience over obviously bullshit theology that was controlled and decided by a Roman emperor and which created a whole class of people who serve as middle-men between man and heaven. I don't want to associate at all with Christianity but if I must be given a term that could be related to it, then I'm a gnostic, just like every person who actually had achieved union with higher consciousness and produced any of the works that any of the apostles, saints, jesus, etc. were known to do.I've noticed lately btw The Book of the Way (daoism) contains extremely redundant teachings with what Jesus taught and I find that interesting.I think religions in general need to be cracked down on by government. Government should say "produce psychic phenomena or you're not allowed to preach" and start shutting down all these fake preachers.
>Trad Caths when you remind them that Mary is holy because God Chose here to come through into the world.
>>530461082catholics worship statues and you also eat unclean pork and reject the true saturday sabbath
>>530460642Are you Protestant? NOPE,,we are all MUSLIMS in the UK,, thanks to the RAT PEDO KING..I support a new religion called the CUP GOD...On a WEDNESDAY you can sleep with your mates wife....Beats marrying your mates 6 year old kid like they did in ISLAM...
>>530461226I respect the saints, they're the only people in the filth of religion that is worthy of respect, even though the theology that ends up surrounding them is bullshit and most every saint to produce amazing phenomena was an illiterate and ignorant peasant who didn't get brainwashed properly so they end up producing phenomena which could then be conveniently interpreted by the church authorities whichever way suited them or else ignored or killed as a "witch" if it was too inconvenient.
>>530466800If God is in you, aka you are sealed with the Holy Spirit, you are saved. This happens at the point of believing upon hearing the Gospel preached, as stated in Ephesians 1:13-14. Christ will not lose any the Father has given Him, as per John 6:37-40.So what does Paul mean in Philippians? Simple. You have salvation, as a saved man when you act you should do so with fear and trembling, because God is in you. The Holy Spirit is literally inside you. So be careful what you do and say! It is great and wonderful but it should also strike fear into you.That is how we understand that verse, and understood in that way it does not contradict teaching elsewhere.How do you explain the many, many passages that flat out say it is faith and not works so that none may boast?
>>530466693Jesus speaks to the religious leaders in parables.in Luke 16 he is speaking to religious leaders.Matthew 1310 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:“‘“You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.”15 For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed,lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their earsand understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’Luke 6 addressed to the religious leaders.24 “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.25 “Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry.“Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep.26 “Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.
I converted to save my soul
>>530461551God is an impersonal cosmic consciousness that is not moral, loving, etc. but which answers to all equally and thus blindly who work the right laws of nature/mind. Personal beings are worth revering in that they represent individuated units of consciousness that have progressed along the path and which we might wish to achieve the same level of self-mastery and greater. Hero worship is fine. The absolute eternal cosmic mind that produced both a lot of beetles, the mosquitoes, and man; it doesn't give a shit.
>>530466910my log of shit is actually the most delicious steakit just maintains the appearance and properties of shit
>>530466910>The Mass is the same sacrifice in a different manner.thanks for confirming that for roman catholics the sacrifice on the cross was not enough for the forgiveness of sins.>and the sacrament in which those who participate in it through holy Communion eat the flesh of Christ and drink the blood of Christ, and thus receive grace, which is the beginning of eternal life, and the "medicine of immortality"this is just pagan mysticism. it is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh is no help at all.John 663 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.”
>>530467082its literally a bible verse christcuck
>>530467550yeah but who are you assuming is that Bride? thats the issue.
>>530461646Anything written in scriptures is the fallible writings of fallible men and also needs interpretation and gets interpreted many different ways. If you're not reading the minds of men, healing the sick, levitating, walking on water, etc. you have no authority with which to speak upon matters of the spirit... and even then it's not easy to convey to others the reality of the self and its workings.
>>530467488Checked and based
>>530467296I didnt post that verse to contradict your post.it is exactly as you said, its the Holy Spirit working in you that confirms your salvation.
>>530467296GOD IS A BASTARD,, he got no dad..
Any church or denomination that celebrates pagan christmas, pagan new years, pagan easter is false.Same with any catholic church that eats unclean animals such as swines flesh and rejects the sabbath.Jesus will kill all pork eaters on his 2nd coming, this is promíse from God in Isaiah 66:15-17. Also all churches who promoted the covid 19 vaccine, is false and promoted the mark of the beast. Everyone of the "holy orthodox men of mount athos" took the covid vaccine and thus got marked.Orthodoxy is false, so is catholicism.
>>530461937Everything ultimately does anything through the one power that pervades and animates everything. Personal beings are more relatable though and serve as good guides to other personal beings.
>>530462086The scriptures that existed in the time of Jesus were many and varied from place to place. The Bible is the work of much editing and discarding of anything that doesn't fit their narrative.
Trad Caths be like>NO ONE COMES BEFORE JESUSbut behind closed doors>Archangel Michael, Give me strength in protection........
>>530462098lol
>the biggest loser in the bible isn't satan, it was godcan someone tell me how the fuck people listen to this guy if hes supposed to be a preacher of god on earth?how does he still pack out stadiums full of people???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjpcTINCtKk
>>530467726Ah my apologies then, I've seen people who misunderstand that and think we have to 'work' for our salvation based on it saying 'workout your salvation' there. I'll admit if it was just that verse it might be easy to understand that way, but when you read the paragraph before it and the verse after it, it's pretty clear. Like literally the next verse is: >for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.Let's bring up the issue of baptism. The water baptism (immersion) is not what saves, it is the baptism (immersion) of the Holy Spirit. John the Baptist tells us Jesus will baptise with the Holy Spirit.Matthew 3:11:>“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.So how do get baptised by the Holy Spirit? We hear the preaching of the Gospel and believe.Ephesians 1:13-14:> In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.No water required. The water baptism is a tradition that we recommend that is done when we confess our faith publicly. The baptism that saves is the baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes upon hearing the preaching of the Gospel and believing in Jesus.
>>530467709>not one example of praying to another beside God>explicit instructions to NOT bow down before images>if i 'interpret' the fallible Bible i can make up what i wantok anon.>>530467776i dont see that remembering Christs birth is a terrible thing to do. its a harmless tradition.>food lawsno, those were not carried over into the New Covenant.
>>530467936i see you are not a Christian Sir.Christians believe that God has preserved His Word and that it contains what is necessary for salvation and guidance in spiritual matters.
>>530462582>is the eurachist the actual blood and flesh of Jesus?No but some Catholicucks believe it, though I've heard a bishop complain it's something like only 11% of Catholics that believe it lol.>do you taste actual blood and flesh when participating?Nobody does.>was the sacrifice ONCE on the cross enough for forgiveness of sins or was it not?No it was utterly worthless for forgiveness of sin as sin doesn't need to be forgiven, sin has its own consequences without adding some extra punishment on top of it, sin is a punishment in itself. When one grows in consciousness one gets to experience and feel what others go through and suffer with them. Sin as such are acts that are not aligned with reality, truth, and the spirit. The only real terrible thing a man can do is turn away from the spirit, aka the knowledge of the self, and thus stagnate his development. There is no heaven or hell as places you go when you die, there is just perfection and imperfection, and whoever becomes perfect here in this world will be perfect as well in the "next". Jesus didn't die to atone for anything, he died like Socrates as a pointer out of the way. Jesus himself is not the way, he is a pointer of the way. His actions embody the way. The way is impersonal, accessible to all, it is not a person.
>>530467532>thanks for confirming that for roman catholics the sacrifice on the cross was not enough for the forgiveness of sins.Of course it's enough. Calvary and the Mass are the one sacrifice, one in a bloody manner, one in an unbloody manner. While Christ won all merit on the cross, the Mass is the means by which those fruits of redemption are applied to the faithful in the present day.
>>530468265>i dont see that remembering Christs birth is a terrible thing to do. its a harmless tradition.1) He wasnt born 25th december2) None of the apostles celebrated his annual birthdate3)God would never want a damn tree to be used in worship4)The christmas tree is pagan and condemned in Jeremiah 10:2-55)You are going to hell if you participate in christmas>food laws>no, those were not carried over into the New Covenant.Isaiah 66:15-17 is a future prophecy, meaning it has not happened yet. In it, God tells you that during the 2nd coming of Jesus, he will slay all pork eaters. Either God is a liar and it's a false prophecy or its true.Unclean animals were never made clean in the new testament.
>>530462683lol I'll read your book but your claims are retarded, how is a religion based on genital mutilation true, it's bs. There is no personal god and also no messiahs.
>>530462758It doesn't matter what you pray to, it's the fruits of whatever acts on your behalf that matter. This obsession christcucks have where they think spirits are either all bad or all good is retarded, all personal beings have agendas, and selective benevolence and malevolence.
>>530460642>>530460753
>>530461307He's a muzzie
>>530462886False dichotomy. Nobody can forgive sins or die for sins that's all retarded.
>>530468477some of those are very debatable and while you are correct that the apostles are not mentioned to remember Christ Birth personally i dont see it as being bad tradition. it doesn't lead us into sin so far as i see it, and i certainly wouldn't say that theres any condemnation if you do or do not remember His birth.There are different levels of doctrine anon, the most important being the essentials, the rejection of which could mean damnation or false faith etc. christmas is very much in the non-essential or secondary category.putting everything into the Essential category is how cults often work, and it creates a horribly legalistic and judgemental group full of pride. >food lawsso what of Peters vision and the subsequent laws for gentile believers passed down from Jerusalem
> Anna’s Archive shadow library search engine sued by U.S. publishing group>Anna’s Archive was sued by members of a U.S. publishing group that claimed it continues to “foster piracy on an astronomical scale” even after a previous orderhttps://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/annas-archive-shadow-library-search-engine-sued-by-us-publishing-group/article70730414.eceArticle released on March 11. The library is down again so I can't download the book recommended in this thread FML. Anna's Archive is the only way I can educate myself I have no fucking money fuck these assholes for taking it down again.
>>530468080>.YANKS are RETARDS so will listen to anything if they say the words USA and GOD...If any RETARD YANK wants to become the next president all you have to do is this below.Shout USA while waving a flag then say the USA soldiers are greatest in the world and god said this and that then before you k now it YOU will become the next PRESIDENT OF THE USA..No YANKY PRESIDENT ever says we will fix the roads and schools they just shout USA while waving a flag...YANKS are so retarded they are easy blagged into paying for all the $40 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT INTEREST RATES..When you YANKS going to IRAN to die for TRUMPs family to be RICH ?
>>530468436No. We are saved when hear the Gospel and believe in Jesus.Ephesians 1:13-14:>In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.For those who are in Jesus, there is no condemnation. So if we have heard the Gospel and believed, and therefore are in Christ, there is no condemnation for us even if we sin. Jesus has paid for our sins already.Romans 8:1:>There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.Hebrews 10:18:>Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.Our sins are forgiven. There is no more condemnation. There are no more offerings. Therefore the idea that you are re-attaining grace in the mass, the eucharist, the water baptism, acts of confession or penance; it is simply not the case. Jesus already saved you. He paid your debt in full.Now this is not a license for us to continue to live in sin, and if we truly have the Holy Spirit in us, we will produce good fruit. We must, because the Holy Spirit is a good tree, and a good tree must bear good fruit. This good fruit however has no effect on our justification before God; Jesus alone justified us. He did it on the cross.1 Peter 2:24:>He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.We contribute nothing. Jesus did it all. We have nothing to boast in except Christ.Galatians 6:14:>But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
>>530468223>The water baptism (immersion) is not what saves, it is the baptism (immersion) of the Holy Spirit. John the Baptist tells us Jesus will baptise with the Holy Spirit.I agree completely. its the Holy Spirit that gives live who we are baptized in.the water however is a symbol of this new birth and the apostles baptized in water, not for the removal of dirt (outward righteousness) but a good conscience (indwelled righteousness).so if you are born again without prior being water baptized I would still recommend water baptism as an act of obedience. in my experience immersion or sprinkling isnt of matter, but that it is in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
>>530468436>Calvary and the Mass are the one sacrificeyou wouldnt need Mass if Calvary is enough.>one in an unbloody mannerbut the roman church says its his blood. hence its not in an unbloody manner.>the Mass is the means by which those fruits of redemption are applied to the faithful in the present day.thats not how grace or merit works. its not a transaction you can influence by works, ie attending Mass.
>>530468838FATHER CHRISTMAS IS REAL...
>>530468825Christmas a satanic deception and ritual that empowers demons. Everyone in my neighbourhood is a heathen and they all hate Jesus Christ. They all celebrate jul/christmas and brings a tree to their house.If the whole world is doing something, its origin is satan, not the narrow way of God.Peters vision showed him not to call any MAN unclean. See Acts 10:28.2 timothy 2:15 tells you to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH James 3:1 tells you there is extra punishment and condemnation for teaching people falsehood.You are in error and you teach people lies which means you will be held accountable for leading people astray. Christmas leads to hell and God hates that helliday. Anyone who brings in the christmas tree to their house is a spiritual adulturer and their entire household gets cursed (Deut 7:26)
>>530468838Faith alone is a false doctrine that leads to hell. Sinning christians will go to hell, and before you go to hell, you will be cut off from the vine and forsaken by Jesus.
>>530461670>bronze serpentLmao
>>530469090its really up to you what you consider to be in the Essential category anon and i understand where you're coming from. My conscience is ok with remembering Christs birth and why He came.
>>530462683https://z-library.sk/book/qOXk489pvk/permission-to-believe.htmlis this the book?
>>530460836Luther was a total kike lover until they personally messed up his life. he doesnt mean any of that, he was a hyperbolic shitposter trapped in the medieval era
>>530469140it sounds like you dont really understand the whole faith and works thing. i expect you think theres some kind of disagreement between James and Paul or something.
>>530463543Reality is you have an astral body and you just end up in your astral body when your physical body is incapacitated, destroyed, etc. Anyone wanting to know about the afterlife should be reading up on astral navigation / astral journeying so they know what to do when they get there. Both the heaven/hell bs and the jewish bullshit you reference are all bs.
>Trad Caths when they accidently touch their wee wee's in lust.
>>530469140God is the one that rebukes and chastises you.Hebrews 123 Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. 4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him.6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
>>530465909>lutherfags have to contend with the fact Christianity was somehow corrupt for 1500 years since its inception before they "fixed" it lolThe Catholic church did not mandate celibacy for priests until 1100 after schism with the Orthodox. Was Luther wrong for reversing that mandate? Catholics purposefully and willfully misrepresent every argument presented to conclude they are the One True Church(tm).
>>530469195There is no "essential category". You are doing traditions of men and you are on your way to hell.You cannot worship God like the heathens do with that true. Nadab and Abihu tried to worship God their own way and got slain. Same thing will happen to pagan tree idolaters, even if you consecrate the unholy christmas tree to christ.>>530469246Jesus said you must work really hard to enter through the narrow gate to eternal life.>>530469375Chasticement doesn't mean you wont eventually be cut off. John 15:6 states those who do not continue to abide in Christ by keeping his commandments will eventually be broken of the vine of eternal life, and gathered by the holy angels to be burned in hellfire
>>530468871Yeah I agree, traditions and symbols are powerful and there is nothing wrong with them. We just need to make sure we aren't putting our trust in eating bread, drinking wine, and being sprinkled with water. Our faith is in Christ alone.Some Protestants do go way too far the other way though. The Salvation Army (who have sadly become quite political these days) infamously refuse to baptise people in water. That is obviously going way too far and purposefully severing themselves from the traditions of Christians through-out the centuries.>>530469140Read through Romans 7 and then read the start of Romans 8. Romans 7 has Paul tell us that he continues to live in sin and do the things he ought not to do; however because he is in Christ Jesus, there is no condemnation.Romans 4 is another really good one. Citing figures like Abraham and David, we are told out-right that they were justified before God by their faith, not their obedience. We are told:>Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,> and whose sins are covered;>8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”We are told this is because of their faith. It was not their obedience, it was their faith.>ow to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.
>>530468345Yeah I'm obviously not a Christian as religions are retarded and should be judged by their fruits and Christianity is rotten and worships a man and has lost the way.
>>530468504Genital mutilation is based when it's purely between you and God, the willingness to be sincere to God that you will throw away and remove your ability to feel pleasure and devote yourself is based. It's unfathomably cringe when it's systematic and mandatory adherence to (law) because there's a lack of seriousness on an individual level
>>530460753We are the original first christians tho
>>530469408thats a fair example of what i mean, thanks. the aggregation of wrong teachings and their being made dogma (mandatory) took a very long time.
>>530468265The bible is nothing but the interpretations of ancient people trying to record events that they often never even saw firsthand or only wrote about it years after the actual event, then reinterpreted by a translator from Aramaic to English, then reinterpreted again through your personal understanding. It's got three layers of interpretation at the minimum. And obviously so called "Christians" are not interpreting it correctly as their fruits are rotten and they don't manage to do any of the things that the apostles and saints and Jesus and Moses and so on did. Religious people outright fear psychic phenomena and try to banish it from their lives.
>>530469561>orthodox wasn't the first
>>530469561You once were, now you're a schismatic group run by the CIA
>>530460642All you christians are protestants, no exceptions. Christianity is protestant judaism.
>>530469469im sorry that your beliefs are this way anon. i hope one day that you will understand the complete work that Christ has done for our sake, and enter into His rest. im sure you'll hear that as me saying you can do whatever you want etc etc, but thats entirely not the case.
>>530469482Paul did not live in continous sins. Romans 7 is about Paul describing the condition of man before recieving the Holy Spirit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVI8LnsUiH4Noah was saved by his obedience in building the ark in faith. In faith he built the ship before knowing 100% that there would be a flood. Abraham was also saved by his works done in faith.
>>530460642sorry i trust God more than your corrupt pedo church
>>530469561After the Protestant Reformation, the Roman Catholics had the infamous 'Council of Trent'. At the council of Trent they 'anathematised' the Gospel. The Eastern Orthodox did the same thing with the Confession of Dositheus, before which the bishop of Constantinople Cyril Lucaris had confirmed Calvin's position that we are justified by faith in Christ, and not by works.Prior to these two events, true Christians could absolutely be found among the Roman and Greek churches. I hope, and I believe, that many more have been saved since through ignorance of their own doctrines and a simple faith in Christ. However, their doctrines now literally anathematise the Gospel, so any who actually hold to the official RC and EO positions today must repent and trust in Christ alone.
>>530469719You will burn in hellfire forever for not rejecting the pagan christmas deception. God will not let you in for believing in a strong delusion and clinging unto traditions of men.This is why I reject 99% of people who calls themselves christians. They are too stubborn, to decieved. God sorted you all out in 2020-2023 when he allowed satan to release the mark of the beast (covid 19 vaccine). Seperating the wheat and tares.
>>530460642I'm a proud Lutheran.
>>530469543That's just extreme mortification / asceticism take way too far and contrary to the doctrine (which btw transcends the Christian tradition) that the body is a temple to be well taken care of. Many people who've been to those extremes have preached a middle path instead. I've gone to absolute extremes of asceticism freezing, being homeless, having many scars, going without food 40 days and nights, etc. though not mutilated my genitals. Most so called "Christians" can't even exercise the most basic of self-control over mind or body.
>>530469482>refuse to baptise people in water.yeah, the SA do have a pretty unique take on that kind of thing. its not something i'd be content with.>>530469931i dont know anon, are you a troll or just really autistic about this stuff? its such a prideful position you're coming from with no room for Grace or Freedom.
>>530469811the question then is what are the works of obedience.Ephesians 210 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.it its the Holy Spirit working in you so that you work out the works predestined for you.the flesh alone can do nothing good.Romans 721 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
>>530469933LCMS are great
>>530469811You are clearly mistaken. Paul is talking about his life as a Chrsitian. Read:Romans 7:13-8:1>Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.>21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.>There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.... For the record true faith, which leads to receiving the Holy Spirit, will lead to good works; but those works are not what save us, and we will still sin as shown not only in the above passage, but also in 1 John 1:8:>If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
>>530468838Wrong. You say your beliefs are not a license for us to live sin, but the fact still remains that by your logic, a person can sin all his life and still go to heaven, as long as he believes in Jesus.You have to believe in Jesus AND live by His laws.
>>530470170"I dont know Nadab, can we really bring this fire to the altar of God?""It's cool bro, don't be autistic about, God is tolerant and full of Grace and Freedom!">In Leviticus 10:1-3, Nadab and Abihu, sons of Aaron, were consumed by fire from the Lord for offering "strange fire" (esh zarah)—unauthorized incense—not commanded by God. This act of disobedience during their priestly duties violated the strict requirements for holy, commanded worship, demonstrating that God must be honored as holy.The Incident: >Shortly after their consecration as priests, Nadab and Abihu took their censers, added unauthorized fire, and burned incense before the LORD in a manner not prescribed.The Consequence: >Immediately, fire went out from the Lord and consumed them, killing them in front of the Tabernacle.What was "Strange Fire"? >The Hebrew esh zarah suggests something foreign, unauthorized, or profane, rather than the holy fire mandated to be taken from the bronze altar.Significance: >The incident highlights the gravity of approaching God on human terms rather than through obedience, reinforcing thatGod is to be revered as holy.>>530470255Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?>25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! (Jesus delivers/sets you free from being slaves to sin)>but also in 1 John 1:8:>If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.First John 3:8 says those who sin belongs to the devil>He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.You are going to hell heretic, read galatians 5:19-21 and Revelation 21:8. Obey Jesus or burn, its a simple concept
>>530469811>saved by his works done in faithyou've got the message backwards anon. its the true faith that saved him, and the good works that were produced because of that faith showed that the faith was true faith, not false faith (which doesn't produce good works/fruit).
>>530470255Repent for calling Paul a sinner in Romans 7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVI8LnsUiH4
>>530470567we all sin everyday anon. so its not that you can sin all you want, since if you want to do all manner of sin then perhaps you are not saved at all, its that Christ can forgive even those sins we commit as we struggle on in this life.>>530470650the thing is that im not remembering Christs birth at Christmas as some kind of offering to Him or whatever. we do it because we are thankful He came and it is a nice way to teach the kids etc. its a different thing.
>>530468974>you wouldnt need Mass if Calvary is enough.>thats not how grace or merit works. its not a transaction you can influence by works, ie attending Mass.The Mass is necessary not because Calvary was insufficient, but because the Mass is the means by which the graces of Calvary are applied to our lives today. You need to abide by God's laws to enter heaven.>but the roman church says its his blood. hence its not in an unbloody manner.Jesus isn't whipped, crowned with thorns, and brutally crucified during Mass, is He?>
>>530470567Let me re-frame it slightly because I think we are talking past each other.I am not saying a Christian will live a life as a murderer and an adulterer and all the rest. If we truly believe, we will receive the Holy Spirit as per Ephesians 1:13-14. If we have the Holy Spirit, there will be good fruit in our lives; because the Holy Spirit is a good tree, and a good tree must bear good fruit.However, we are not saved because of any good fruit we produce. We are saved because Jesus took our punishment on the cross.1 Peter 2:24:>He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.He paid our debt in full, There is no more sin left to be paid for. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.Now, if a person did live a life of rampant and extreme sin, we might doubt that they are true believers, because we see no evidence of the Holy Spirit in their lives. However, if they truly do believe, they would be saved. King David was sealed with the Holy Spirit and after that, he intentionally committed murder and adultery. He repented afterwards, being convicted by the Holy Spirit; but he still did those evil things. As Romans 4 informs us, these sins were not counted against him because of his faith.True Christians will produce good fruit, they must. It may not be visible to other people, but if the Holy Spirit is really in someone, He will convict them of sin and encourage them to good deeds. Their salvation does not hinge upon those things though; it hinges upon them trusting in Jesus.I would fully expect a Christian to do their utmost not to sin, and to live a comparatively good life, and all Christians must condemn sin, and should rebuke their brethren if they are sinning openly. Nonetheless, it is not the lack of sin or presence of good deeds that saves them; it is the blood of Christ.
>>530470567you sin innumerable times a day.how many times do you want attend mass per day for the forgiveness of sins?that is the faith, that Jesus Christ died for ALL your sins ONCE on the cross, so even if you sin there is no condemnation.it is not that you can go out and sin without repercussions, but it is God who restrains you and convicts you of sin when committed. the flesh is the sinful agent that we struggle against and the flesh will stay sinful until death.
>>530469561Nope, the Catholic Church hadn't emerged as a genuine organization until at least four hundred years after the crucifixion. The original Christians had nothing to do with Catholicism
>>530470911>the thing is that im not remembering Christs birth at Christmas as some kind of offering to Him or whatever. we do it because we are thankful He came and it is a nice way to teach the kids etc. its a different thing.You cannot recieve the truth because you are spiritually blind. But go ahead and ritualisticly bring a freaking tree in on 25th december, decorate it with gold and silver and wear silly red hats then explain to God how it was biblically supported.Satan is having a laugh at you people for being so stupid. Jesus said if someone doesnt have ears to hear, I should move on and let the dead bury the dead. You are teaching your children lies also.
>>530471032True christians who die in their sins will perish and go to the lake of fire.
>>530466600A being that never existed cannot find anything at all. Seek mindlessly and you will find whatever others have told you you will find. Seek mindfully and you will comes to the apocalupsis that it doesn't even exist. Those who "find god" are just going off feeling and sentiment. Not finding anything at all other than a sense of purpose and an idea to attach it to. You don't need a god to have a sense of purpose nor is the idea of god necessary to attach that purpose to.
Anyone who believes the Gospel is a Christian.
>>530470914>but because the Mass is the means by which the graces of Calvary are applied to our lives todaypagan mysticism.the grace is the faith we receive as a gift and not by works in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross paying for our sins in our place.>You need to abide by God's laws to enter heaven.good luck, you will fail before the day ends. this false doctrine of works based salvation can not work because of the nature of our flesh.this is by faith only and accepting the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross that we can enter heaven in the judgement of mercy for all our sins.>Jesus isn't whipped, crowned with thorns, and brutally crucified during Mass, is He?but that is what transubstantiation is about, to sacrifice the Lord anew for the forgiveness of sin because of our sinful nature. this replaces the faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross because sin has to be confessed and the eucharist attended every time we fall into sin to be cleansed which is all the time.what happens if you die on the way to confession or the eucharist in sin? hell?
>>530471233you assume a lot anon, which is usually the case when talking with legalistic cult members. you refuse to make distinctions because i think you like to proclaim your superiority of purity over others, with much disdain, while ignoring completely the beam in your own eye.i really hope you will be freed from whatever group you are involved with.
>>530471303>>530471303Galatians 2:16-21:>yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.>17 But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
>>530471032>>530471063If you die with grave sin on your soul without repenting, you go to hell.It clearly says in the Bible that "Faith without works is dead." (James 2:26) Of course, you'll have a rebuttal to that which I won't agree with.
>>530471807Faith without works is dead, because true faith leads to being indwelled by the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit will produce good works in us.Those works are not what save us though. Jesus is. Jesus alone. Stop trusting in your works, that is what is happening in Matthew 7:21-23:>Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’They are trusting in the mighty works they did in Christ's name, in prophesying, in casting our demons. Jesus will turn them away, He never knew them. Trust in Christ alone. Yes, those mighty works may come afterwards; but they are NOT what save you. They are NOT what you should put your faith in. What are the works that God requires?John 6:28-29:>Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
>>530471807so who decides what sin is in that case? you? the church? the pope? your priest?is it not the one you transgressed against, God, who came to earth to pay for your sins on the cross himself?is it not also, after having been forgiven of our sins, that we restrain ourselves to not offend the one who washed us clean by his blood in the first place?is it not God who decides what transgresses against him? is it not God who restrains us, rebukes us and chastises us?or are you so naive to make yourself God that you decide for yourself what transgressions are?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhwsI2qa8zAThis channel here is extremely revealing as the origins of both Judaism and Christianity and also of the influence of Plotinus, Plato, and Hellenism and much about the old church history.
>>530471807this whole economy of sin, menial, grave or deadly sin is a man made concept for guilt, shame and exploitation by the roman catholic church that lead to indulgences and an economy of blessings where you could pay and work your way out of sin.Jesus died for all our sins ONCE, he paid the price in full. a priest or pope has not the monopoly over sin.
>>530471402Anyone who does his works is... it doesn't matter what you call it but they're one to be revered, respected, etc.https://biblehub.com/matthew/7-16.htmhttps://www.openbible.info/topics/they_will_know_you_by_your_worksAlso at the end of every sermon in the Catholic church I go to "go fourth and glorify God with your lives".The people calling themselves Christians today are not doing this, they have gone astray.There are so very, very, very few that have really understood the way. Far too many now who look for a messiah, who look to a man as god, who have no found the way.
>>530469576If you want more you simply have to look at councils. The Catholic church started firing from the hip as soon as the Orthodox schismed. Papal Infallibility wasn't decided until 1870 at which point the Dutch Catholics said "no thanks" and schismed. The Catholic church used to be in full communion with the Anglicans, but revoked it in 1890s. Modern Catholic apologists will argue that's because Anglicans ordinate women into the clergy, nevermind that the first woman ordinated into clergy was in 1990. Again, willful misrepresentation. The Anglican church also was the first to publish teachings on contraception in 1930's Lambeth Conference, which Catholics will misrepresent as acquiescence to the lustful culture, but it was a directive by the Anglican church to be generous with your fertility AND responsibly procreate. Why did this come up in 1930s? Immediately there were a ton of starving young families that only got married to have sex, and in the 1800s we found out sperm wasn't literal microscopic babies, meaning unprocreative sex was not infanticide. The teaching could be changed to accommodate that fact, God's literal biological design, which is rejected by the Catholics and Orthodox.
>>530471533>good luck, you will fail before the day ends. this false doctrine of works based salvation can not work because of the nature of our flesh.this is by faith only and accepting the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross that we can enter heaven in the judgement of mercy for all our sins.Every human being is perfectly capable of avoiding mortal sin. Not saying it's easy, but everyone is perfectly capable.>what happens if you die on the way to confession or the eucharist in sin? hell?No, but you would know now that if you actually knew Catholic doctrine.
>>530471621At the end of the day christmas is an unbiblical abomination that God hates and anyone who participates in it will burn in hell forever, no matter how you feel about it.>>530471647Galatians 5:19-21New International Version19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
>>530471807thats makes it sound like Christs work isn't sufficient for salvation.
>>530469649>The bible is nothing but the interpretations of ancient people trying to record events that they often never even saw firsthand or only wrote about it years after the actual eventThe criteria for canonization of text into the New Testament was that it had to be a primary source, ergo either one of the twelve apostles who directly lived with Jesus, or a secondary source taught directly by an apostle. There are additional requirements, such as liturgical in nature, universally applied, and "true Christian doctrine".
>>530472331Substitionary atonement is a lie you can't sacrifice men, chickens, etc. and god isn't punishing anyone.Sin is it's own cause of suffering. Stuff like pride, hubris, lust, greed, etc. are ultimately all forms of wasted-energy and distractions leading a person away from what is truly worthy of attainment.I should add also that the further along in the truth path one is, the more subtle obstacles come in one's way, even things like spiritual pride.There are so many things that will halt progress, take some away from fasting and meditation and introspection and self-knowledge, and lead their energies in the wrong ways.Even helping others, healing the sick, this can become an impediment too one can end up being the doctor for life... one has to walk away even from that as exemplified in the life of Jesus.All that you shall suffer is not because of God it is because of your nature and you must work on that nature. God is blind, impersonal. God is working things out in every moment, his parts are both autonomous and yet organized in one whole, same as the body. Every cell has autonomy and yet obeys directives from the central self. So it is with man and God.All of you who haven't learned astral projection, remote viewing, telepathy, etc. aren't fit to speak about religion. You don't do what Jesus and his apostles did, you haven't taken even the first baby steps on the path.
>>530472465>Every human being is perfectly capable of avoiding mortal sin. Not saying it's easy, but everyone is perfectly capable.not without the Holy Spirit.the wages of sin is death.every looked at a woman with lust? Jesus calls that adultery which breaks the 7th commandment.have fun being perfectly capable of keeping that law in this day and age.>No, but you would know now that if you actually knew Catholic doctrine.yeah right, a priest can absolve sin post-mortem. more sin quackery.
>>530472090Once saved always saved/eternal security/faith alone is false doctrine that leads to hell. You are wrong.Jesus will tell them, depart from me, you who BREAKS GODS LAWS. He is talking to christians who practice sin, because sin is the transgression of Gods laws & commandments.Nobody is going to hell for casting out demons or doing good works. Believers go to hell for practicing sins, being workers of lawlessness. Pastors who visit prostitutes, christians who lie, christian drunkards etc.Christians can lose their salvation, especially if they took the mark of the beast in 2020 (covid 19 vaccine)
>>530472731https://www.youtube.com/@BeforeReligionListen to this channel it'll tell you about the origins of all those texts in detail. It will change your perception of the religion forever and you'll be making new threads just to discuss what you learn from this channel.The New Testament isn't entirely that bad despite the vagueness, the parables, the metaphors, and the attempts of the Nicene council to control it....none the less it's clear there is a conflict between the Platonic way of thinking and the Jewish way of thinking and the Gnostics vs the Orthodox and so on.https://biblehub.com/john/14-12.htmThis was the promise of Jesus to his disciples. If you a true disciple you'll do as Jesus did and more.
>>530472624i think thats what you think. again anon, we all have to go by the Bible and our conscience. i think its ok for Christians to keep the OT feasts if they want to even though thats not commanded, and i think its ok to remember Christs birth with christmas, or not. I dont do these things as part of an sacramental program or trust in them to please God or count as a good work. I do believe there is room in the liberty that Christ has given us for some traditions so long as they do not lead us into sin or into worshiping another God or gods etc.if we have done wrongly in celebrating Christs birth than i trust in Christ to forgive me, for i knew not what i was doing.
>>530472703Christ must do a work in a believer, and a believer must comply and submit, and not strive against him, to be saved. If a person rejects the Holy Spirits conviction and continues to remain in sin then you will go to hell.
>all these screeching christgolems with their versesreminder jewsus and paul promised a second coming in the apostles lifetimes and failed lol
>>530473027>Jesus will tell them, depart from me, you who BREAKS GODS LAWS.i hope you are as sinless as your requirements for others seem to be, because by the measure you measure others with, so you shall be measured.
>>530472900>every looked at a woman with lust? Jesus calls that adultery which breaks the 7th commandment.True christians don't look at women with lust because its a sin that leads to hell. The Holy Spirit will empower you to stop being a pervert. Jesus actually saves people from doing sins this is what you dont understand.
>>530472624How then do we reconcile what Paul is saying? Is he contradicting himself? No.It is important to understand that as Christians, we will sin. This is flat-out stated in Romans 7 and 1 John 1:8. It is important to understand that we were made for good works, as shown in Ephesians 2:10. We will receive the Holy Spirit if we truly believe, as shown in in Ephesians 1:13-14. The Holy Spirit will produce good works in us, as shown in Philippians 2:13. In Hebrews 10:14 we are told that we who are in Christ are being sanctified.So, there must be changes in our lives. We must not live wicked lives, and Paul brings up the sins of the people and communities he is talking to.What happens if a Christian does do these things though? Well, if they were really a Christian, they would be convicted of sin and they would repent afterward. This would be like King David after he committed murder and adultery. If they truly have faith in Christ, then they will not be condemned, and their sins will be covered in entirety by Christ's blood.However, if someone is continually doing such things; then I think its clear that they are not true believers. I think that's the only way to understand these verses that might otherwise be argued to contradict each other.
>>530466744The age of miracles is over. Your made up catholic cult is as jewish as judaism.
>>530473150>and a believer must comply and submitif the Lord works in a person He also makes us willing. its truly a wonderful part of the Salvation He gives us freely.
>>530460642Not a big fan Lutheranism being stuck in the same group with rest of "protestant" schizo cults.
>>530473027So now you are just denying Scripture? That's from Matthew 7:21-23.Regarding OSAS, how would you explain what is written in John 6:37-40?>All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”>that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me... And remember as well: John 6:44:>No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last daSo no one can come to Jesus unless the Father calls them. And Jesus will not lose anyone that the Father has given Him. So how is that not 'once saved, always saved'?
>>530473128In previous times God winked at peoples ignorance, but now commands everyone to repent.Christmas is pagan and leads to hell. You have been warned so there is no excuse for you. You have the internet and its easy to find out christmas is pagan. You have your bible and the only time it talks about christmas trees its condemned in Jeremiah 10:2-5.You have no excuse. Now that you have been warned your punishment will be even greater, and since you teach children the ways of the heathen, you will recieve double portion of condemnation for leading them astray. It will be better for you to have a millstone tied around your neck than lead children astray.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt9rzERV8SU>>530473207>Come on bro! Don't expose sin man! Let me do pagan christmas and go to hellDo you know the real biblical meaning of loving your neighbour? It means to rebuke their sin so they dont go to hell. Leviticus 19:7I dont love you or most self-professing christians, you are NPC's and its a waste of time to throw pearls to swines. Do your pagan christmas and go to hell where you belong.
>>530473027You are right in your first line and then wrong afterwards.Sin is simply error, ignorance, acting contrary to the laws of nature.All that you will suffer in the astral planes will be because of your own desires, and what you suffer in this life it's the same too just you're in synch more with all those around you.I can tell you about the whole process of dying and what people go through. This book is accurate: https://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1909lifebeyonddeath.pdfThere are many interesting parts of the astral planes and many mental states people go through.In general though whether dead or alive your desires are intertwining with those of other sources of desire and coming together to manifest your experiences.There is even a part of the astral where people experience a kind of solipsistic experience where the desires of others are not really that much part of the experience, it's a dream-like self-generated experience, and people get whatever is in their heart there. There fears manifested, there greatest desires manifested, etc. very quickly. This could be compared with purgatory because it basically has that effect on people, people live out their petty desires there and then see the emptiness of it.The kingdom of heaven is within it's not external, it's not separated by time or space, it can be realized now. Another good word for it is "equanimity" aka a state of mentally being a peace with what is, aka reality, aka now. I like Julius Evola as an example of a man who was good at equanimity for he walked around during bombing raids unconcerned, I think many soldiers, the true ones end up going through an experience like the Bhagavad Gita and being at peace even in the trenches.
>>530473027>Christians can lose their salvationutterly unscriptural. you can not save yourself by your own, you have to be upheld by God for your salvation.we are flesh and thus are dependent on God to uphold us.
>>530460642Reminder all religions are made to control goycattle
>>530473128It's a combination of celebrating Christ's birth with reverence for the Saint who chopped down Odin's Oak in front of the Pagans and then planted an Evergreen in the stump.
>>530473238True believers can 1) depart from the faith2)shipwreck their faith3)not endure to the end4)be cut off and burned in hell5)Believed in vain6)Be rejected and not inherit the kingdom of God7)Have their part in the lake of fire if they do any of the sins listed in rev 21:88)fail to walk according to the spirit and instead succumb to the flesh9)take the mark of the beast (c19 vaccine)
>>530473229The way is what saves you not Jesus. You just learn to watch your own thoughts and desires the same as anyone including Jesus has ever done and you can then see those thoughts and desires extinguished or nurture them. The way is eternal and impersonal it is revealed by the man Jesus but not for the first time and it has always been around.
>>530473349>if the Lord works in a person He also makes us willing.You dont lose free will after being saved. Some people who have recieved salvation can still decide not to endure and start rebel against God and lose salvation
>>530473407every kikeslave thread is always just this
>>530473810Read>>530473577Please explain what you think Jesus means here, because I do not see how it can be understood other than as 'once saved, always saved'.
>>530473577The will of the Father is that everyone who believes in Jesus will have eternal life with him. Does that mean its guaranteed? No of course not. God also wills that people abstain from sexual immorality in 1 thessalonians, yet majority of all believers are hellbound for being porn addicts and fornicators>For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;Jesus will only save those who repent of all their sins and remain faithful to him and the teachings of the gospel.
>>530473660>Now that you have been warned your punishment will be even greater,i guess we'll see if remembering Christs birth is another unforgivable sin>It means to rebuke their sin so they dont go to helland i understand that. i do the same with respect to things like praying to mary and the saints, kneeling before statues of them etc. but i do place those behaviors in a higher category than remember the Birth of the Savior. >I dont love you or most self-professing christians, you are NPC's and its a waste of time to throw pearls to swines. Do your pagan christmas and go to hell where you belong.that is very much the impression you give every time you post. you dont berate people because you care - you berate them because you like to berate people for being less 'pure' than yourself.its a very different thing and may well constitute the beam in your eye i mentioned before.are you by any chance the swede that always posts the 'Logic' threads? you have a few similar vibe to that one.
>>530472900>not without the Holy Spirit.the wages of sin is death.every looked at a woman with lust? Jesus calls that adultery which breaks the 7th commandment.have fun being perfectly capable of keeping that law in this day and age.Cast your eyes away when faced with impurity. Don't put yourself in situations where it's likely you'll be tempted to impurity without grave necessity. It's that simple. And if you do break a commandment, repent immediately and go to confession as soon as you can.>yeah right, a priest can absolve sin post-mortem. more sin quackery.Absolutely not. Never heard of such a thing.
>>530473680The definition of sin is TRANSGRESSION OF THE TORAH/LAWTake your satanic astral planes and shove them up your lower nexus-portal
>>530473870>You dont lose free will after being saved.i agree. its actually that our wills are set free from bondage to sin.
>>530474062You are ignoring this part:>that I should lose nothing of all that he has given meIf they are truly saved, then the Father must have given them to Jesus, because none can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them (John 6:44). If the Father has given them to Jesus, Jesus will not lose them (John 6:39).This sounds like once saved, always saved to me.
>>530474116>i guess we'll see if remembering Christs birth is another unforgivable sinHe wasnt even born 25th december, you are too decieved to be saved.
>>530460836bro he was like 400 pounds when he died. absolute fat bastard
>>530474023Indeed.
>>530460836thats just your jewish favortism. you'll deny it, but its a consequence of worshipping jews.
God not real
>>530474256im sure you know the exact date because you're right about everything 100%.
>>530474256also, it doesn't really matter. you can remember His birth whenever you want, if you want, or not at all, if you dont. there is no law about this.
>>530474250>This sounds like once saved, always saved to me.there is a difference between the security we have in Christ work and the so called 'cheap grace' idea that once you say your prayer or whatever that you can go forth and sin however you want. Believing that Christ will not abandon His sheep if it should get lost, that none shall be taken from His hand, its these things that comfort us in life.
>>530474686I know the romans celebrated sol invictus around that date, and the mother harlot catholic church incorporated the pagan holidays in their worship.I also know that God curses anyone who brings the tree in, and that he punished his people for using trees in their worship all over the old testament.You dont understand what i am saying because>You are ignorant of scripture>You are ignorant of history>You are ignorant of how satan operates>You are stubborn and spiritually blind and rebellious>You love traditions of men rather than the commandments of God>>530474774>also, it doesn't really matter. you can remember His birth whenever you want, if you want, or not at all, if you dont. there is no law about this.The entire bible prophecies about the wrath of God coming upon people for doing abomnible things like christmas.You dont know God and you dont worship him in truth and spirit. And you lead children astray by your own admission. There is no excuse for you on judgement day. I dont believe you had a personal encounter with Jesus, you are not born again because anyone who has recieved the Holy Spirit of Truth will come out of the lies of the world sooner or later. You reject the warning because you dont have the Holy Spirit.
>>530475112we just come from quite different perspectives, obviously. but again, im interested to know if you are the 'logic' thread swede. yes or no? you know ho i mean.
>>530460642No
>>530470215For now. Unfortunately, another split is brewing between confessionals vs liberals on issues like closed/close/semi-close/pseudo-close communion, cohabitation between widows and retirees, and ecumenism. With StLo seminary primed to go with the liberals, and FtWayne seminary to stay confessional. If you're active in a congregation, you need to be encouraging your pastor to stand firm on these issues.
>>530475016Surely you would say that the person who just says a prayer because he enjoyed the music and wanted a pat on the back from an approving community; never actually believed. If he did believe, truly believed, then he would have to be be drawn by the Father (John 6:44), and he would be immersed in the Holy Spirit at the point of believing (Ephesians 1:13-14), and he would then be kept and Jesus would not lose him (John 6:39).The issue with altar calls and 'say a prayer' types is that it is not guarantee of genuine belief. There is only salvation if the belief is genuine. There is only a sealing with the Holy Spirit if the belief in genuine. The belief can only be genuine if the Father has actually drawn them. ... But if belief is genuine, then they are saved, and Jesus will not lose them.It is that simple, but it has to be genuine, and it can only be genuine if the Father has actually drawn them.If someone says a prayer or goes up at the altar call, but then immediately goes back to living like they used to, and is never convicted of sin, never repents, and never changes; well its pretty clear that person never believed. I don't know why they bothered to read the prayer or go up to the altar, all I can imagine was that it was a desire for a pat on the back, or peer pressure, or being overcome with 'feelings' that were not indicative of genuine faith.
>>530475458good, let them split again if its on essentials. LCMS is only good now because they did it before.
this martin luther nigga look like mike enoch
