>>531177304That sucks. In germany you get a bunch of money back. If you get a really cheap one the rates are managable. Just look at the rates of the cheapest one and see if it is lower than what you pay for fuel each month.It is really only worth it if you cn charge at home anyway.
Man im glad i have this at least
>>531177304No idea how things look like in Poland, but Diesel in Germany is right now >30% more expensive than supermarket oil.Buy an old diesel that can use salad oil as fuel. Some need new oil filters and stuff, but can be adapted for cheap. Chances are the spread may remain persistant.
>>531177304there are tiny 2-doored Chinese EVs that go for ~7k USD here. we have over 100% tax on cars so it should be 3k wothout taxes.
>>531177663>If you get a really cheap oneyeah one that has like 300km range, gets you to the nearest city before you have to charge it up and sitaround in your cuckcar for 45min.everyone who does that is a fucking cuck that does not value his personal time. Sure you can have "me" time when going for a walk with the dog or relaxing in nature for a bit. But ultimately youre not doing it out of your own volition but because your cheap e cuck car needs a few minutes to rest.
>>531178029>just buy a 7k electric chinkoid slopbox deathtrapWith 7k you can survive the inflated diesel prices for many years.
>>531177304How retarded do you have to be to believe that electricity prices are somehow magically going to remain low while gas goes up?
>>531177304Electric cars are for gae people anon
>>531178157If you had solar panels and batteries the cost would stay low regardless of what oil does.
>>531178029>>531178127> Just buy half a car There's 3 of these Renaut Twixies in my neightborhood. They look fun. Range is like 50-100km; total cost 10k for a new one. Use a bunch of solar panels and you've got close to zero cost.
>>531178247Do you know how many goddamn solar panels you would need to charge your car in a timely manner?
>>531178091Fair. As long as you mostly drive short distance, it can be worth it though.
>>531178271>spends 10k on a retarded golf cart with 50km range>spends 30k on solar panels >Guys,Zero costI've seen this autism everywhere in romania..you will break even in 20 years minimum ,now if everyone would do that the electric grid could finally fuck off and send us into the mad max paradigm. so maybe you guys are right, we should accelerate.
>>531177304They want you to need their public transportation. You’ll own nothing.
>>531177304You are living in the past anon
>>531178513There is an appliance store in the small villagetown i live in, they also sell these cute cars (albeit they look much cuter and seem more ergonomic). I already seen them on the streets.I just can't get over how cute they are owo
>>531177663I drive a 30 year old mercedes that runs on sunflower oil if needed - and i can repair it with a hammer. But yeah, you can go into debt over a car if you want. Good luck with that.
>>531178742I bet it comes with a purple dildo..
>>531178513> thinks solarpanels are like 30kYou really missing out on something. Carports with solar panels and everything cost like 3k Euros. Shit's gotten really cheap. Most expensive thing is labor cost, unless you do it yourself.If you're looking at time horizon of 5-8 years the economics check out.
>>531177304Why would you care about owning a car anymore? Your government wants you to ride a train or a bus.You're from one of those disposable countries that is meant to die in war first
>>531178513I helped my dad get and apply for grants and tax rebates and he got 12 solar panels+electric converter+install costs for free lmaoLiterally free panels, he ended up paying like 8k, got 4k in subsidies, 3k in tax rebates and 50% off property tax for the next 5 years which comes up to around 1.5kOver a 5 year period you are actually PAID to put solar up >inb4 youre not getting paid tax rebates and discounts are actually coming from YOUR moneyPoint is if you hadnt put them up you would pay more in taxes than the actual cost
>>531178803That is a great choice (I like old mercedeses and prefer them over modern gay trash). The debt of an electric car can be cheaper if you drive enough. That was the point I made.
>>531177663Living the meme
>>531178926Well allow me to be skeptic about the "decreased prices of solar panels" after everything is increasing in price thanks to inflation and oil/greater israel wars in iran. 2 years ago it would cost between 18-25k to cover your house roof in decent chinesium solar panels+installation(workmanship mounting+inverter+a few batteries) 10kW system . Now you add the golf cart slop to it and it's 35k that you're supposed to breakeven on from a measly eletric bill + fuel . I'm not sure if there's still a subsidy system for this in here but i know you had to wait years to qualify for it ..
>>531179272i never understood why people liked mercedes. its a (((merchants))) car. Its literally in the name.
I have an electric car, solar cell, and all kind of shit that will make me usher in the apocalypse.
>>531177304How ridiculous. I have so many bills and expenses that the price of petrol going up by a small percentage really isn’t even something I notice. I ride a bike everywhere anyway. Truth is the government already steals about 20% of what I earn and plan to steal more. Then they redistribute it to people who don’t work. Petrol is really small fries, I’d have enough money to pour petrol on the ground if I wasn’t robbed in every paycheque. These are all just excuses to justify more control. And you’re falling for the panic they want. Once again of course it’s all just “muh trump” at the end of the day but they want the whole world to pay so they can run another Covid “we need to do this” scam.
>>531179417The old ones are the best. Very well build. Honestly some of the best cars ever made.
>>531177304Define car.
>>531179461>rock fucks up your solar cells on the first day of the "apocalypse"You'll be a prime target for the batteries anon.
>>531178091A Tesla model y standard costs 30k in Germany if you're a poorfag. 39k -3k from Tesla -6k from the government.It's literally cheaper than a big chunk of nu-cars, both electric and fuel
>>531177304my car gets 48 mpg. not ky fucking problem gas is "high"
>>531177663>In germany you get a bunch of money back.You will never get back the terrible depreciation of an electric car. It doesn't matter what incentive the government gives you get hit with the horrendous depreciation.
>>531177304>ELECTRIChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_9ATQFgu9o
Not to worry, electricity prices will follow oil and gas.
>>531177304Not to worry, return to form
>>531179629yeah teslas a cool an all, but they are the apple (computer brand) of cars. They can restrict your access to certain systems remotely. If you wanna drive somewhere you better have the latest firmware installed, if not you can sit around for half an hour and wait till your cars updates like a cuck, and the build quality is subpar because they are either build by retarded muttmerican niggers, or retarded poles that got trained by muttmerican niggers.
>>531179382> full system for everythingI'm talking solar for 2nd car only.> +a few batteriesWhy the batteries?> Now you add the golf cart slop to it and it's 35k that you're supposed to breakeven on from a measly eletric bill + fuelPicrel shows solar carport prices. You end up with ~14k for both together. That would be 2k * 7 years and you have close to zero additional costs. Assuming you're using it 250 days per year you come out with ~8 Euros per day for the entire mobility package. Now look at what alternatives cost you.
I just think it’s funny that people will fall for this stuff. In 1979 the largest fuel increase in NZ happened because the Mullahs took over Iran. NZ’s response? Ban you from driving your car. About 30 years later the same people have the same control over our fuel supply and no one cares until now? Seems ridiculous. And then on top of that, the extra price of fuel is absolutely nothing compared to all the taxes, rates and other robberies occuring daily all around us. Yet “oh please panic about your temporarily slightly more expensive fuel, oh by the way we also need that 20% of your income every week but don’t worry about that it’s all fully justified”. A world of absolute lemmings. And I ride a bike.
>>531179825I rather burry a 7 ton flywheel in my garden to store all that solar generated power than to gift those watthours to the electric grid thats filled with niggers.
>>531179555I have God on my side, no mortal can ever harm me. If anything I will become the supreme cult leader, and turn those that seek to live into my army.
>>531179916> go offgridI intend to do the same.
How do you think those electric cars are build and shipped, anon?
>>531179697>horrendous depreciation.That's only a problem if someone actually buys your second-hand electric slop . In Romania you would not find buyers for that garbage, I could easily sell a bmw,mercedes,vw,toyota with ICe after 100-150k km but can't say the same about teslas.>>531179825>I'm talking solar for 2nd car only.4.5k eur car port + 10k golf cartAmazing, now calculate how much you would've consumed on fuel [for a 2nd car and 50k km range which i'm guessing you're not using too often] compared to the total cost of such an investment that you will never recover since nobody will buy a used 2k electric golf cart from you after 7-10years of usage. 14.5k in how many years? decade? and for what? to appeal to libtard commie trannies in the government like a good conformist goy? You could easily put 14.5k in an index fund and gain more profits from it than a cuckmobil with its cuckshed.>AI SLOP: so 7% per year after inflation on a 14.5k euro investment how much is that in 10 years?>We’ll treat it as compound growth at 7% annually (real return).>Result:≈ €28,500(investment + profit).>Why the batteries?Because if we all did it without them the electric grid would collapse even with only carports for cuckmobiles. This slop works only when a few retards do it.
>>531179820>They can restrict your access to certain systems remotely.Literally every car built after 2015 can, such is the plight of carcucks.If you're scared of this, either ride a bike or buy a car made before the 2010s.
>>531179417>i never understood why people liked mercedes.
>>531179697There are really cheap ones. If you are in the market, you should actually do the math (if you are willing to drive a cheap eco box). I am pretty sure it is worth it for people who drive a lot.We had to pay like 10k up front, 6k we got back from the government (makes 4k). Then 150 bucks per month for rates. This can easily be cheaper than ownership of combustion vehicle.
>>531180590> now calculate how much you would've consumed on fuel [for a 2nd car and 50k km range When you're commuting 2x15km with the Twixy for 200 days per year plus 30% other rides that would be 54k km in 7 years. Total gasoline cost saving is ~6k Euros. Discounts on taxes, insurance and repairs etc amount to another ~50 Euros per month totalling ~4k Euro over 7 years.The numbers do pretty much check out, at least for retarded German taxes and shit.> conformist goy? I can literally ride out the breakdown of society as well as totalitarian rule. I consider it >50% likely that we get serious lockdowns for whatever reason, which could start any time and will last at least into the 2030s. Independent mobility is worth a lot in such a scenario.> You could easily put 14.5k in an index fund and gain more profits from it than a cuckmobil with its cuckshed.I see insecurity of the near to midterm future as the biggest cost factor. This creates massive short term preference. Tangible wins, which means you buy it now, so you have it and you don't have to scramble in a year or so to get half the value.Overall even just the feeling of likely being fine despite the apocalypse is worth the investment.
>>531181198This. There is 0% financing on cars with bulk payments in the beginning and end now.So you effectively save a shitton of money, because you pay 10k, then 300 bucks per month which gets surpassed by inflation for 5 years, and then another 10k.
>>531180590> electric gridGoal has to be to go offgrid completely. Thanks to retard German electricity prices solar+battery+backup generator has reached break even last year. This especially when you can build it yourself.Energy prices look to soar even more. It's why I think in 5 years there won't be an electrical grid anymore. Everyone's going off grid.
>>531177304To bad you people killed all our woke enviromentalism, we wanted to subsidize electric cars so we changed the petrol cars for electrics more quicklyYou know for the enviromentBut it was the right wing turn so more petrol and no funds for green policiesGo hate a foreign
>>531177304You need a better job than cleaning toilets. Stop dreaming about German cars. Only solicitors drive them here, and hell won't accept hose useless cunts. Get a BYD. They're reasonably priced, better quality than anything coming out of Japan or Korea right now, and they're offering stupid low interest loans.100% of people should get off fuel, and transition to off the grid solar and battery. Deny the old world pedos their 30 silver.
>>531178271>Charging a car with solar panels at homeYou're gonna need a lot
>>531182221Entirely depends where you live. I've got just over 20kwh solar, and 50khw battery. Can charge my two EVs during the day, max out battery, and be completely energy free during the night. I pay zero fuel or electricity. But, I'm in Qld Australia, and solar hours are insane here.
>>531177304>Buy still>Buy grain>Get water from a well>Make spirytus>Buy commie era bike that can run on spirytusIf you don't have a license they cant take it away for drunk driving.
>>531182042In case of apocalypse you want a 4x4 pickup truck to drive the bombed roads and lots of chickens + tatoes not a twizzy. Assuming you're the only one that survives in your village and nobody can take your electric toys at gunpoint. But you still need a room full of batteries in that case.>It's why I think in 5 years there won't be an electrical grid anymoreOr you guys could just ,,you know,, build a nuclear powerplant after you get rid of Merz.
>>531180915Hitler was the greatest jewish ally that helped perpetrate the biggest lie in history so they may enslave America
>>531181932>repairs etc amount to another ~50 Euros per monthnow then the battery pack is ruined after x amount of charging cycles. But then again, had to repair my 2021 ford fiestas clutch after about 115kkm so these expenses just come with modern shitbox manufacturing I guess.>>531182436its over, rising construction prices and overall lack of experts on the field (yeah they all fucking went abroad because there are literally no jobs for them here) hinder this return to nuclear tradition
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>>531182693>Romania is advancing plans to deploy NuScale Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) at the former Doicești coal power plant site, aiming for a 462 MWe capacity using 6 modules of 77 MWe each. Supported by the U.S. and implemented by RoPower Nuclear, this project aims to be Europe’s first SMR, providing clean energy, reusing existing infrastructure, and creating ~2,000 construction jobs.Do this..
>>531182722no habla espanol puto get a job
>>531182862ofc you cant speak english, its a white mans dialect
>>531177890Yeah but where do you get the electricity to charge it up.If you pay for it it is not worth it
>>531182966>what are solar panels
>>531182916But I'm speaking perfect English sir what the bollocks are you on aboot?
>>531178091New battery models charges way faster and they are in cheaper models too. If it's a car with 300km range, then the charging will probably be like 10 minutes going from 10% to 90%.Give it a couple of years and it will get better and cheaper. Combustion engine wasn't great at the start either.
>>531177304>he wants an electric carhahahahaha what a fag.
>>531182436> In case of apocalypseApocalypse is going to look a lot more like plague with negligence & decay instead of open war & kinetic destruction.> Or you guys could just ,,you know,, build a nuclear powerplant after you get rid of Merz.Not going to happen. It's designed to be made impossible on state level. Decision for nuclear should have been made by private sector a decade ago and then built 20 reactors on Czech side of border. But they rather went to China with their factories, because less stress.Right now we've got ~10GW coal power in cold storage. But it's getting less, because they're blowing up one after another, so they can't be switched on again if situation becomes too dire and/or AfD gets into charge.We also have as much natural gas in the ground as the Dutch. Would be enough for 30 years, but it's illegal to get it out because eco crap. Note: Merz is the conservative guy. First thing his gvt did was to put CO2 neutrality until the 2040s into the constitution. Getting this out again is close to impossible without revolution.Morgenthau won. The grand retardation is going to happen. Best thing is to go off grid and just don't care anymore.
>>531183233>Apocalypse is going to look a lot more like plague with negligence & decay instead of open war & kinetic destruction.You're describing a communist hellhole from south america rather than apocalypse..at that point China would just take over and force the credit score system on you.
>>531183233>Best thing is to go off grid and just don't care anymore.thats where youre wrong kiddo
>>531183432> You're describing a communist hellhole from south america rather than apocalypse..What's the fucking difference?> at that point China would just take over and force the credit score system on you.I see this as very plausible.>>531183466> destroy the machineNo need to actively do something here. Urban centers are full of migrants and the inflow won't stop. Infrastructure crumbles, order breaks down, followed by violence, disease, famine and what now. AI drone swarms keep the braindead plebs in check. Alternatively,or additionally: Total AI tittytainment with everyone sitting in his cog wearing a VR set and eating ze bugs.The whole thing is going to eat itself up. All you have to do is keep your distance and make yourself independent from the fallout.
>>531183739when the gibs run out, the shitskins will resort to violence. nomatter where you are, letting this become of the land of your ancestors is shamefull and advanced cuckoldry.Just imagine letting weimar continue as it did.
>>531177304I'll sell you a 2007 Prius for 7k
>1pbtID>literally the only human being on planet earth whose electric car purchase isn't subsidized by the government
>>531183739>What's the fucking difference?You got me there.
Cars are shit fucking cheap nowadays if you compare it to real money aka Gold>Base Mark7 in 2018: 20 ounces of Gold>Base Mark8 in 2026: 6 ounces of GoldBut you fell for bitcoin and other jewish scams instead of buying Gold and getting a brand new 911 for cheap nowadays
>>531177304You would be a retard to buy an electric shitbox whose battery/motor technology becomes obsolete every 6 to 12 months and has 1/3 of the total half-life of any combustion engine car in existence.
>>531178271Dude…
>>531183912> when the gibs run out, the shitskins will resort to violence. That's likely. Maybe they can turn it into chronic process as they turn everything chronic. Meaning: No aprupt crash, but slow lingering with no end. But even if, it's stochastic. They are like zombies with little brain. You survive the 1st big wave and then you've got a decent chance. Over time you fight back and win.> shamefull and advanced cuckoldrySure, but too late now. Last realistic exist was March 2016 with state elections. Now we're in two wars, chronic lack of energy, pension crisis, brith rate collapse, covid/vaccine brain bug, AI degeneracy, and migrants pushing in. 90% self-inflicted with 74% of ppl still asleep and elite structures fully communist or braindead.Crash & burn is unavoidable at this point and necessary to get rid of current structures.> Just imagine letting weimar continue as it did.The end game probably would have been the same. >>531184069> fucking communism:)
>>531177956Why can't new cars do this? Can't your change the filters and disable DPF + take it out? What is the fundamental difference?
>>531184787Direct injection is incompatible with thick seed oil
>>531178312Daily export is like 10-20kwh right now. Aren't the batteries in cars around that much? I only do like a thousand km a month or less, I'd need to charge once a week or an hour a day.
>>531184681> givernment mandated cuckolderyThat's the power of regulatory systems...Meme checks out in general, but there's a slow trickle away of guys who realized the overall situation and scramble to get away from the societal fuckupery. In my case: Replace the kitchen table with a village estate and the controller with a chain saw.Still: We're toast.
>>531182042Absolutely impossible.Example: ItalyYou are not allowed to produce and consume your own energy, every single private solar panel or turbine has to be connected and inject your produce into the grid, and the provider sells it back to you, at a "discount".Energetic dependancy of the peasant is not negotiable for any existing state, otherwise the undesirable social experiments such as multiculturalism break apart immediately and energy-indipendent breakaway communities become commonplace.
Electric cars are fucking lame and gay especially the chink ones since they were mass produce so much it'll be overall cheaper to buy a new one instead of fixing an existing one if it gets fucked.
>>531184681>25 old american>meme diploma, 7 figure debt, shot by nigger or drafted for jew-warscorrected your fantasy image
>>531178091why do you fags act like you go on long trips every other fucking dayevery single fag in the world travels maybe 60km in a day maxyou dont need a petrol car
>>531184948Enjoy your “electric vehicle”
>>531178271id rather suck start a shotgun than even be seen test driving that gay little toy. I have 3 vehicles and none of them are electric and never will be. its retarded, you cannot be expected to charge it on a long trip unless you look up on jewgle where a charging station is and can get there to charge it for hours. and solar power is even more retarded for a car. youd be better off with an electric bike or maybe just a 2 stroke bike.
>>531184948I know you wanna reply to that retard, but think again who youre going to argue with. The squeeze aint worth the jews
>>531185034Where I live, we call them golf carts
>>531177304Try hybrid, they’re pretty sick and cool.
>>531185034some people are not do nothing shut in neets that drive to visit others, or possibly work. hell i drive an hour just when i want sushi. in some gay electric bullshit youd have to sweat how much of a charge you have or wait to charge it, or charge it after leaving. i dont think about how much fuel i have until i happen to look at the dash while driving then pull over and fill up.
>>531178312Solar panels are pretty good these days. It would take less land than the corn we grow for ethanol fuel. The real issue is storing the energy, but it seems like there is a breakthrough coming soon.
>>531185174wut
>>531184904> You are not allowed to produce and consume your own energyHoly crap, what a nightmare! I thought Germany is bad in this regard, but at least so far they leave you alone when going offgrid... Europe could be so amazing, esp Italy, if only those fucked up communists weren't in charge.>>531185034> you dont need a petrol carWe have a thing called autobahn with no speed limit (the last freedom they allow us to have). A car that can't go >200kp/h for at least 2 hours straight is considered a donkey cart.> u cannot be expected to charge it on a long tripSmall electric car is supposed to be 2nd car for daily short trips. Main car is gasoline.>>531185276> there is a breakthrough coming soon.Looks to me like that breakthrough is called Iran War.
>>531184824Can you mix it with booze to fix that? I've been considering whether to go electric, veggie oils or vodka for car. >Electric is fucked in winter. Even a turbine likely won't do much and needs maintenance>Veggie oil car would be ok but still need to source oil from somewhere>Vodka car means I'd have to source a lot of vodka and possibly go alcoholic
>>531185693Oil+water results in an emulsion. Would never stick together, you'd have to stir it all the time or add other compounds.Best thing is to stick to proven recipes in proven engine setups.
>>531185910What about 90% stuff? Couldn't I mix it then siphon off the water? Trace amounts left probably wouldn't be a problem.
