It appears seizing Kharg Island is the only logical step forward>Can’t open the strait>Iran still sells oil at a higher price>110% of their military capabilities are gone yet they can still hit any refinery in the regionOnly a matter of time until Kharg is seized
won't happen
If things get dire enough, Iranians absolutely will blow the whole thing up along with all the marines on it. And the oil infrastructure across the pond.
>>531187770CheckedWhat’s the play then leaf?
>>531187881There is no play. Classical stalemate.
What the fuck is the point of seizing Kharg? I keep seeing this stupid shit everywhere. Hot tipz: If the US takes Kharg, the Iranians aren't going to keep shipping oil there to be exported. Thinking they can take the island and take the oil is the stupidest part of this stupid ass war. If it gets taken, Iran wouldn't have a reason to not just shell it with standard mortars from the mainland. It'd be a deathtrap for the poor saps in the Marines who got ordered on to it.
>amphibious assualt>with no ships because the strait is blocked
>>531187737>we have to seize Kharg Island because Battlefield 3
>>531187737>Island is the only logical step forwardevery one on that Island is sitting duck
>>531187737Trump's gonna be sucking Big Iranian Kharg
can't wait for the webms where mutt soldiers get droned
>>531187737Explain to me like I'm a retard what exactly this would achieve, even if it was possible.
>it's just the tip!>ground troops on the island aren't a ground invasion, chud>JUST. THE. TIP.>okay we need to take the nearby beaches too>it's not a freaking invasion dude stop being hysterical >okay we need to take a little more >okay time for a draft>we were always at war with Eastasia and that's a good thing chud
>take island>strait is still closedAnd then what
>>531187737khaaarg tuah
>Take Kharg to open the StraitUhm, other way around, you need to oepn the Strait before getting anywhere near Kharg, at least by ship.
>>531188152US blood sacrifice to satisfy Iranian retribution demands. It's the only way to get them to pick up the phone.
>>531187737Even if they take kharg, they still cant get the oil out?
>>531188174With how much focus there is on this idea you'd think there's some benefit we're just not seeing.
If they take any island it should be QeshmBut let's face it - it would be a bloodbath
>>531188362it would be hilarious
>>531188280>Kharg IslandThat's about the only thing that makes sense, although the Iranian would have to agree to a ceasefire to allow the marines to get their landing craft into position. They have to come through the straight.
>>531187737look at how far the island is into the gulf you dumbass. how the fuck would any invasion or resupply/reinforcement happen with missiles blowing up any ships?
>>531188174Ground invasion of the country and then the real military industrial complex gains start.
>>531188174They would probably have to secure the shoreline along the strait too. What's the terrain like?
>>531187737>An island will drift away
>>531188273>Mulatto thinks the strait is physically closedThe strait is only closed for commercial ships because they’re not insured.
>>531187881Keep bombing Iran thinking that something will break. (Nothing will break)
>>531188494Missiley and droney.
>>531187737HAPPENINGhttps://youtu.be/vhdrG1-ue5w?si=8OXawMoB_6zILhtF
>>531188425It’s a 25km2 island, doesn’t need to be supplied by ships
>>531188494Jagged and mountainous. Hundreds of miles of... this.
>>531188392>Could we please have just a brief ceasefire so we can get into position to attack you better?
>>531187813they will press the big red self destruct button and the entire island will explode
>>531188273they can fly troops into bahrain and then ferry them across in dinghies.
>>531188152>Crippling 90% of the enemy’s economy doesn’t achieve anything
>>531188392They won't agree to anything. The situation at the moment is that almost every ally has tried to get them to talk. This morning it was that British bint. She did speak to that nice foreign minister, but all he did was reiterate what injustice was done to them. No ceasefire, no negotiations, Straight remains closed. The injustice needs to be repaired. And the only thing they'll perhaps accept is more deaths on the US side as they had. Good luck sending those guys into certain death. I hope there's enough to satisfy Allah.
>>531188295Yeah it's almost like they don't have a clue what they're doing besides fucking up the entire region.
>>531188023>It'd be a deathtrap for the poor saps in the Marines who got ordered on to it.A fitting sacrifice for Baal
>>531188618>>531188547Okay, so they probably can not secure it without a major ground invasion on Iran proper.
>>531188023That's the point.Put some goyim mutt troops on there as a human sacrifice, to create some outrage to justify a full invasion.
>>531188618Looks comfy.
>>531188667so you're gonna left the country totally crippled? what about the moderate iranian people that you started this entire war to liberate?
>>531188626The straight is 4 miles wide where the ships go through, 2 miles for inbound and two miles wide for outbound. I'm not sure why but that's the channel width that all ships navigate through. No naval vessel is going to go through there unless they own the shore on both sides.
>>531187737>until Kharg is seizedAnd then carpet bombed by Iran. 2500+ dead zogbots.
>>531187737>can’t open the straightHow will they even get to Kark island then? It’s deep inside the Persian gulf>>531188023This lol, without landing ships how can they even get a sizeable force there? Air drop is just sending marines in there to die.
>>531187737Memefag discard gotta take Basra
>>531188059Wouldn’t put it past Pete the reetard
>>531188295>steal gas station>"what do you mean it doesn't re-fill automatically?"
>>531188630I mean half the island is full of things that like to explode, seems pretty easy to wire it all for booms.
>>531187737https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2034613274453393437It doesn't look like the US has A N Y intention of stopping Iran from making a tidy profit.
>>531187881Drop a big one on Tel Aviv and declare war on global jewry.
>>531188896Need like 60+ feet of depth. Most of the gulf is very shallow. Thats why kharg is the only good offload point for iran.
It would be an insane operation using all the airborne and special forces units to seize the shoreline while the marines go for the island, it would be a huge massacre all round and in the end the marines would end up holding an oil and gas fire while under constant bombardment.
>>531189029yes, destroy your biggest economic hub to kill a thousand muhreensworth it
>>531187881Check what? You dumb fucking newfag!
>>531189122Ehh they have a backup pipeline, its just not as good. It exits on the southern iranian coast, and they just finished a rail line directly to china, so they have a couple options.
>>531188850Nigga do you seriously believe the US is waging aware to free a bunch of “moderates” halfway across the globe? It’s about energy dominance always has been
Mutt zogbots will be slaughtered Iran has been preparing for this for decades it will be a bloodbath.
>>531188522It’s mined and Iranians will fire on any military ships going through with artillery and missiles.The Ottomans held the Dardanelles against the British Navy with just mines in 1915, Iran has mines and missiles and drones and more
>>531188897With what weapons? The island’s military installations have been leveled along with the shoreline. Mortar can’t reach, they can only use short range rockets or hotweizers, and those that remain will be decimated by the air superiority. You make it sound way more complicated than it is
>>531189283Still you can't underestimate the stupidity of Trump and his ass kissers.
>>531189283>in 1915oh well guess it's still the same
>>531189087I say a nightly prayer for this.
>>531187737Iran produces 500-800 drones per day. Any troops deployed to occupy Kharg would be sitting ducks to drone swarms and the internet would end up covered in horrifying FPV videos of troops being attacked, similar to Russians in Ukraine. Absolutely retarded idea, but entirely expected from MAGA
>>531189283If it’s mined, then how can they export their own oil?
>>531189283The Iranians have underwater drones that they haven't even used yet. Maybe on one of Baron's tankers?
>>531189398It’s worse now because they have more ways to attack ships.In 1915 they only had mines.Sea Mines are still OP and the USN has run AWAY from the gulf to avoid any missile threats.
>>531187737>only logical step forwardkike pls
Taking this island does nothing. No oil is drilled there, it's just a refining and ship loading port that iran can't even use right now. It's worthless to everyone.
>>531189465They have a tiny guarded area that is not mined which they ask ships to pass through
>>531189341I hope you're advising Trump.
>>531189141Maybe he checked under his foreskin
>>531189237no way, so the entire rationale was fake and gay and they've been lying to the US public all this time?
>>531187737This isn't the US military of 80 year ago,50 year ago or even 20 years ago. We have the most expensive equipment in the world but all of it is jeet code slop piloted by estrogenic zoomers that are actively trying to sabotage ZOG plans by stuffing toilet paper in drains. We're not capable of anything
>>531189476If Ukraine can contest the black sea with sea drones only then Iran can hold the gulf
>>531187737I don't care as long as many ZOGbot mutts die
>>531189524This. In the 80s it made sense to send military ships to escort tankers.There's some retards on this thread who think it would be smart to send billion dollar military ships against waves of fiber glass drones with motorcycle engines.
>>531187737Probably after the stock market has closed
>USA is the same as Russia>Iran has NATO support to do to USA what Ukraine did to Russia
>>531188174Trust the plan
>>531188825American public is wise to this. You would see public sentiment drop even further.
>>531189635All bling and no basicsLike Russia in 2022 but x10 because at least Russia could spur up it’s national industry to pump out cheap shit later.The USA spent 5 years watching Ukraine and apparently didn't realize that cheap drones and missiles are really important and hard to counter with billion dollar systems??
>>531189775Iran has the Strait locked down so tight, the US Navy won't even send ships in. Seems like the US might even less effective in this conflict than Russia was in Ukraine
>>531189341>With what weaponstheir missiles and drones land in heavily protected air space what the fuck are the marines gonna do? shoot them by hand? bring a thaad battery?
>>531189546But how does it look on a map if America takes it?
>>531189886US military industrial complex is massively corrupt, trillions of dollars on boondoggles with minimal real world use that only get dragged out to dunk on cave dwelling troglodytes. Can’t even get a rocket into space anymore, how can they deal advanced warfare?
>>531189341Stay Ignorant.
>>531187737mission creep...boots boots boots bootsmoving up and down again
>>531189960A pointless missile sink full of American lives dying for Israel.
>>531189122If there are a thousand muhreens clogging up the island and blocking your use of the infrastructure anyway, then it makes a lot of sense to just blow them all up and rebuild it later
>>531190024Iran has been praticing drone warfare for 4 years in Ukraine, turns out they're pretty good at it. Meanwhile Trump can't even spell 'strait' 3 weeks into the operation
>>531187737Boots on the ground?
Can't believe how well our plan is going. Perfidious Albion we're so fucking back.
>>531188174never ending escalation until we're all dead.
>>531190147Yea it’s insane to think about the corruption/incompetenceIran took a Temu drone and made it effective over years of irl trial and errorMeanwhile the USA watched for years and apparently did nothing, not even develop useful anti-drone system or even ask the Ukrainians for help until recently.
>>531189818Not having drone countermeasures ready is the most bizarre part of Operation Epic Fail.Why are they going and begging the Ukrainians now? Why, if they needed these interceptors, did they not buy them earlier? Even better, why not just have a bunch built and ready to go via domestic industry?
Just like they apparently didn't war game ANYTHING except for Iran immediately toppling when their leader was killed. Didn't wargame the strait, the mines, the missiles, the mountains. Wargamed nothing.
>>531190352>not even develop useful anti-drone system
>>531187737>putting a bumch of zogbots on a tiny island in range of Iran's drones is the next stepA bold strategy for a bold man.
>>531190473that is called a machine gun and it has been around for 100+ years>>531190446Pig Hogseth played some call of duty before the war started, that counts right?
>>531190473Ok where is it?
>>531190473Doesn't seem terribly effective considering drones are wrecking the shit of any ship that makes the mistake of trying to cross
>>531190446This is what happens when you elect an anti-gamer government.
>>531190473a drone hit this in iraq
>>531190446They wargamed all of that, lost in all of those wargames, and chose to ignore it.
>>531190473just carry it around with you lmao
>>531187737Kharg Island is pure anachronism from geriatrics whose heads are still in the early 1980s. It was a key nexus in the Iran-Iraq war that doesn't matter now - the wells are depleted and Iraq isn't trying to take over the gulf.
>>531190709It's a PR win - look we took a bunch of Iran's territory, murica fuck yeah. Until the drones arrive and ruin their day. It's exactly the kind of thing Hegseth would think is a good idea.
>>531190473Next thing we see one of these being stuffed into a Globemaster to be paradropped onto Kharg island.
>>531188618Hahaha, good luck occupying this and maintaining supply lines, burgers!
>>531190943reminds me of the Kursk thing as well
>>531187881> What’s the play thenIt goes something like this> crash the world economy > depose of Trump> find a multilateral solution via the UN> reset global economy > implement the Globohomo CBDC
>>531187737>>110% of their military capabilities are goneI think we need a second opinion.
>>531188825Why would marines dying on an iranian island in an already unpopular war get americans to die for israel lmao? Poltards are ridiculous, midwit motherfuckers. Every single one of you thinks you’re so much more intelligent than you actually are haha. I bet youve been whining about ww3 and civil war for over 10 years now.
>>531187737Nah, gotta invade Iraq first
>>531189283Its not 1915 anymore you fucking monkey holy shit lmfao
>>531190709I would imagine the us has intelligence to confirm or deny this. I would imagine they have better and more recent info on the island than some random polcel
>>531191170>reminds me of the Kursk thing as wellyep, and remember the jewsa is running the hohol war as well.so its perfect for them
>>531189789What fucking plan?>Kill leaders>They surrender>Appoint puppetObviously didnt work and now there is no plan beyond saying "We won bigtime" on twitter.
>>531191518Yea it’s worse now Turks didn’t have any way to actively target ships in 1915 meanwhile British ships could fire on all nearby land positions unopposed. Mines still locked the straight down entirely
>>531190147I have said it before and I will say it again, wtf is up With capitalizing Random Words in A sentence.
>>531188023Iran has no other port to ship oil, by taking the island America is forcing a total economic collapse.
>>5311918091915 ship gunnery is the same as a modern army
>>531187881Bomb Iran and post videos of it for twitter updoots because its so epic and based.
>>531189122
>>531191898But they could just bomb it if that's what they wanted.
>>531188850>to liberate
>>531187737>Take island>Do.... Something? >????? >Cluster rounds fall>Profit
>>531188850Liberate from who? The people? They are a democracy you tard. they vote.
>>531189237For some reason the US is still trying to sell the idea to Americans and the rest of the world that this is anything more than a looting campaign for Israel.
>>531187737Prices today:>WTI- $99>Brent-$103>Murban- $116>DME Oman- $148No one likes high gas prices but I see no reason why the US should not keep this up to harm Asia and India. My prediction for serious extended issues in the Persian Gulf region at the start of all this was >WTI- $120>Brent- $160>Murban- $180>DME Oman- $220Lets see how close I get.
>>531188850>you started this entire war to liberatethey pretty much dropped pretending they were there to help the Iranians, after they blew up a oil facility near Tehran and caused acid rain on the city for days afterwards. It's pretty hard to pretend the US is there to help when you city looks like this
>>531192383Harming yourself in the process is retarded.
>>531188850>the moderate iranian people that you started this entire war to liberate?You can't be this naive.
>>531192460>Lights still onAhahahaha Jews and us seething since they can't do shit to the Russian power plant.
>>531187737Start indiscriminately bombing and killing EVERYONE. How is Trump letting random Muslims get in the way of Israeli interests?! Kill them all and go home like Putin is doing.If you didn’t leave Iran in the 80s you’re complicit.
>>531192383Oil is a globally traded commodity, Asia doesn't get a specially high price, you pay the exact same price as they do, you are fucking yourself in the process
>>531187737Impossible, it would be Gallipoli 2.0
>>531192460Who cares what we are there for? KILL THEM ALL and fuck the propaganda. Winners conquer, losers suppress. Lotta hajib wearing bitches about to be mass married to our incels to keep the birth rate up. Rape ‘em. Kill everyone. Anyone that says otherwise is a traitor undermining the war effort.
>>531192480That all depends imo The prospect of self harm in exchange for greater harm to others is logical depending on the circumstances. It's a form of relative payoff maximization or adversarial framing. You could even call it strategic sacrifice.
>>531192808African warlord diplomacy
>>531192808The story leading up to the war was the US was there to liberate the people of Iran from the IRGC, install the Shah's son as leader and bring about democracy. That fell apart pretty quick when they realized Iran was far more prepared for war than they expected. They thought it would be Venezuela mark 2 and got high on their own farts from apprehending Maduro
>>531192687That is not true, if DME and Murban are almost double WTI it objectively hurts Asia and India more. It has to do with what kind if supply chain they have NOW, and what kind if oil they can and cannot refine. Obviously prices will go up to some degree across the board but it is almost guaranteed people who rely on Persian Gulf crude disproportionately will be hurt disproportionately. It's not even up for logical debate or reasonable disagreement. In fact this mechanism has been known for years and it is fairly predictable who will be hurt worse by a bottleneck of Persian Gulf oil whether it be from Saudi, Iran, UAE, Kuwait etc.
>>531192945They’re the only people conquering these days>>531192962>spreading democracy GTFOH with that meme shit. Iranians know we are there to rape their women and kill their children. Even if we’re not, that’s what they think. You’re already getting punished for it, do the actual crime. Nothing to lose but some Muslims out on some undeliverable mountain steppe! KILL THEM ALL AND LET THE INCELS RAPE WHAT REMAINS
>>531193073>DME OmanFair enough, I'm so used to people on this board being borderline retarded I was unprepared to legitimately learn something
>>531192869You haven't done greater harm though literally just lost control of Iraq. How's that working out for you?
>>531192962I'm not sure what they thought but the idea that they were suprised the regime did not collapse quickly is a possibility (much like Ukraine). However, when I look at the consequences of this miscalculation- notably the conflict devolving into a kneecapping of middle eastern crude production lol- I view it as a bit of a "happy mistake" as they say.
>>531187813Ok, then the regime ends, and 90 million people starve to death.
>>531191980Modern defence is far stronger and modern ships are still not able to break itYour implication is that offensive naval tech has dramatically outstripped defences which is grossly untrue.My example was arguably a far better situation for the British and it was still impossible.If I’m wrong, why can’t the strongest navy in history just break the straight right now?
>>531193325That’s more like it! We can accelerate that process with napalm.
Drone pov videos are going to be so good.
I've been saying since this began: there is zero possibility of a strategic solution, or any solution of any kind. It's a massive mountain range with 90 million people, decades of preparing autonomous, decentralized forces, decades of stockpiling munitions, perched directly - as in it is their actual coastline - above the most economically vital, and extremely tiny waterway passage in the world, on the other side of the planet. There's no 4D chess move, there's not even the possibility of a long and drawn out ground campaign that may be costly but may eventually succeed. We could have the next thousand years and we wouldn't be able to do it. It would be LESS painful to just execute 5,000 of our troops here at home than it would be to land them on that island. The outcome would be identical. Since the beginning I've been submerged in utter, incredulous disbelief. In the past, whatever retarded bullshit an administration is pulling off at the very least has the possibility of some behind the scenes benefit that they're just being less than upfront about. What's happening here is beyond all possible rational. It's melting my fucking brain. I just can't fucking believe it.
>>531188023They can't move their oil. There are no other ports for Tankers, the water is too Shallow so all their pipelines lead to Khrag. Take it, and you freeze the Iranian economy, and with it they ability to fund their military. The war ends.
>>531187737Inshallah
>>531193404It's what happens when you put an E4 in charge of the entire military
>>531191898>no other port to ship oilYou're telling me with their massive coastline, this tiny island is the only one that can ship oil?
>>531193329>why can’tPropaganda. The same tactics the Jews used against the US in Vietnam. Oh noes! We’re VILLAINS if we kill anybody while we blow up all the non-living things in Iran! Fuck that. Kill them all, reduce the human capital to random body parts, then you can fuck with inanimate shit. War is like that. If you’re not prepared to do the needful, don’t start a fucking war!
>>531190581It's on a ship and costs 1 million dollars per second to shoot bullets
>>531189122this happened during the Iran Iraq war it didn't really phase them, they can just make money by forcing a toll at the strait
>>531187737>Can't open strait >Has to open strait to get to khraak This will work out great
>>531189122makes it impossible to have another government going forward, they won't play to win, they'll just destroy the entire middle eastern energy infrastructure
>>531189433>producesProduced
>>531193550Larp
>>531193404Let them shoot missiles with “decentralized control!” The guy pushing the launch button has a name and an address. He has family. We kill them ALL! Dude, we don’t even use that oil ourselves! That guy has to make a decision to die when he pushes the button. How many of those you got? They might as well execute 5000 of their troops too for being useless!
>>531193704There's no reports of drone facilities getting destroyed
>>531193329>still not able to break ithave they tried?
>>531193824There's been plenty actually.
>>531192383Wti and brent are hyper popular with a ton of derivatives but is there an easy way to speculate on the middle eastern oil price indexes.Besides actually trading futures on their exchanges
>>531187881recognize the iranian people as self determining and stop toppling their civilization. that's the play retard.
>>531187737theory: they are buying time or trying to calm marketsthey sent the first MEU from Japan a week ago and only recently sent another from CA (which will also take a while to get to the ME) - but not at the same time for some reason.now they are sending "warships" to the middle east - not like we don't have enough there now.there will be NO INVASION and it is just posturing. they have no realistic way to make Iran stop what they are doing without a massive ground war which they realistically cannot sustain.
>>531193404The jews (Who run the USA) demand that Iran must fall. The goyim much march on Tehran and die. The pieces moved into place over the past 4 decades must instigate their final aims.We haven't been slowly whittling away at the middle east to give up and let Iran maintain sovereignty. Remember the USA is only growing weaker by the year thanks to immigration and corruption. There's only so much time to get rid of Iran.
>>531193717Nah, brutal realism. Iran can barely shoot their piddly missiles at anyone so they are trying the Saddam strat. What happened to that guy?Russia and China will sit like good little dogs and allow the Iranians to die. Nice allies bro!
>>531193269What makes you think I give a fuck about Iraq lmfao. Make no mistake, this isn't a shit flinging bants contest. There is no scoreboard and I don't have much patience for USA Cope, Chinese Cope, Japanese Cope, Jeet Cope, Israeli Cope, or Iranian Cope either. You're not going to catch me flag waving about the fucking govt kek. But I do try to step back and look at the effect of the situation. >Persian Gulf crude production kneecapped>markets that rely on Persian Gulf crude the most are disproportionately harmed. I honestly don't see how these two things are up for debate.
>>531193540You could show an 8 year old the geography involved and let them know the Straight is economically indispensable and they would correctly conclude it's not doable. Show anyone with an intact mind and they would know. This is what's driving me nuts. WHY? It has to be willful demolition. Willful sacrifice of life to not only no meaningful end, but to worsen everything for everyone in the world.
>>531193939Nah we’ll determine them to die like the hegemon should pour encourager les autres
>>531193975Kill millions of civilians and burn their farms with napalm and we’ll see who fights.
>>531188162This is 100% what would happen. They are still trying to ease the public opinion into an invasion of Iran
>>531194016Israel is currently stealing a bunch of land from Lebanon and Syria, so it's working out great for them. I doubt they even care what the outcome of the war in Iran is. The distraction is allowing them to achieve geopolitical goals that Iran had been blocking for decades.
>>531193933Obviously it is impossible to say what the exact price is. So many people trade this crude on that index at this discount etc etc. It is a pretty decent way to gauge it though (aka the difference in the respective indexes). Anyways, I would also note that the current prices seem to dictate reality right now- aka we should expect WTI to be the lowest and DME to be sky high and Murban/Brent to be somewhere in the middle. That is exactly what you'd expect to see if the Persian Gulf production got kneecapped. However I dont think it takes a genius to realize, in broad strokes, that >markets who rely disproportionately on medium and heavy Persian Gulf crude will be disproportionately hurt if the tap gets shut off and the Persian Gulf oil fields get bombed.
>>531194016I personally think the arabs and ME should not be involved as a major player in the global energy picture. I think people who rely on them disproportionately deserve to be removed from the titty perhaps even harshly and at great cost. It's funny how all these radicals become a little Adam Smith Jr.s overnight when it involves Persian Gulf oil kek. Now the politics that lead to such an outcome would likely be things I disagreed with aka Israeli nonsense etc. So you have to weigh alot of things.
>>531193793You are a child. You should be supervised in a facility for the rest of your life. People like you make the world worse every day you're in it. >>531193992That's all super fun except it doesn't change the extremely simple and unignorable reality that they could march every able bodied American into Iran and it still would remain sovereign. There just isn't the slightest possibility of success. I'm struggling to articulate the situation, honestly. How about this: a guy has beef with an elephant. He doesn't have a gun big enough to kill the elephant. Maybe there's some extremely roundabout way to win, like waiting for it to die of old age, or burning down every morsel of food that it could reach. But what he decides to do is try to punch the elephant to death. THAT is what this is.
>>531193933To answer your question I dont think the money is in speculating on the index. I think the money is in trading futures on downstream commodities and commerce in markets and supply chains that would be disproportionately affected by a shut down in crude from that region.
>>531192383>see no reason why the US should not keep this up to harm Asia and IndiaChina gets all the oil it wants from Iran and Russia. Who gives a shit about India. In fact, if life gets really bad in India they all start running to Europe, Canada and USA, I bet Trump will love all those skilled professionals moving to America.
>>531194323It's perverse but this helps me a little, thank you. Definitely doesn't help the fact that America is involved. >>531194658There isn't a hardship that could come from shifting the fulcrum of global energy away from the goddamn shit hole Middle East that wouldn't be worth it. Since humans have existed in the Middle East, it's been at war. That's all they do, that's all they'll ever do. That's all they're able to think about or even imagine. In a million years it wouldn't be solvable. Let them have the fucking oil, lock the door, launch the keys into fucking space. This world needs to move on from that place forever and there isn't any obstacle on that path that would be more costly than continuing to traffic with the animals.
>>531194772Trump is a low brow demogogue and populist. He just wants a quick thing he can claim as a victory that will play well. He doesnt want to get portrayed as being responsible for high oil prices and getting drug into a big conflict. Worst case scenario if he cannot topple the regime, he will do his best to bomb nuclear production- or at least say he did then and say "mission accomplished" and move on. But Israel is actually trying to destroy Iran. They have much different goals. So if you want to analyze *how* it would be done look at their behavior- not Trump's. They are bombing the oil fields and indeed that is a massive weak spot for Iran. That's exactly why Isreal is doing it despite cost- the disagreement from others like the USA.
>>531195007>China gets all the oil it wants from Iran and Russia. Hey, remember when they were highly distrustful and antagonistic of each other, until retarded american foreign policy and rhetorics made them best of allies? Sure worth trying to do all those color revolutions, huh.
>>531189465How the fuck do you retards have access to the internet?Use your brain and think about it for 2 seconds.Fucking brown people.
>>531195309Israel has occupied 14 percent of Lebanon since the war started and they're still pushing further inwards. They straight up do not care what is happening in Iran.
>>531195007Look retard, Russia has mature oil fields (Ural etc.) And they cannot just increase production 5million barrels a day overnight. I doubt they could do that in ten years. Not to mention Ural crude and Persian Gulf crude is not the same they are not easily interchangeable and China, Japan, India etc. are built to process and refine mostly Persian Gulf crude although they do get some from Russia obviously. The bigger issue is that we are now bombing oil PRODUCTION aka oil fields. I would remind you China gets more crude from Saudi/UAE than they do Iran kek. In your tiny mind how will Iran send China crude when the fields are burning thanks to Israel? Also China is a pragmatic country- do you think they will just let Iran do their thing? You think China is "down for the struggle" or will they start putting pressure on everyone in any way they can to wrap this shit up once every field they get 60% of their crude stock from is on fire?
>>531187737Do it, I want Iran to livestream their drone strikes
>>531195645>blah blahso what? Japan, Worst Korea, Australia, and NATO-Europe all have no oil production of their own and all those shitholes are America's vassals. The situation for such countries is way worse than China, who yeah may be affected, but not only do they have reliable sources of oil, most people in China drive electric cars now so their daily life is less affected by oil shortages to begin with.>Russia cannot supply enough oilRussia apparently has enough oil to keep selling it to the Jeets. If push comes to shove, China will just outbid the Jeets and continue getting oil anyway.
>>531187737Uh, no nigger. There are no steps forward cause this is a quagmire. Anything we do short of a nuke, the Iranians have the means to retaliate in kind, eliminating any advantage. Everyone is just going through the motions.
>>531190473Totally inneffective against the stuff iran has been fielding.Havent you been paying attention at all this week?
>>531195630They are just bombing those villages, the second they cross the border all troops get killed
>>531193881Russia has been hitting everything resembling military (including production lines/shops) for quite some time and yet Ukraine is now the most reliable partner who can produce and export the best drone systems to tackle Iranian threat.propaganda is for fools, this war can last for 10 years with current rates of bombardment and US will still not be able to completely destroy production lines, especially when Iran is specifically prepared just for that - a long term war
>>531190640Thats my fav part about all of this. The wargame scenarios have been spectacular failureson the US side of things.Oh well better do it anyways.Makes me wonder about jade helm back in 2014.
>>531195331They could evaporate every drop of oil within a thousand miles of Iran, they still won't win. There's one thing that's never going to change about war, ever: infantry. Regardless of everything else one does, they will need physical people to go and be on enemy soil. Iran is one massive mountain range with 90 million people. I get the situation and context and all. I don't get how anyone - with or without any military education - could convince themselves it's doable. Like other anon said, maybe it's just a way to help accomplish smaller campaigns that are actually possible, like Lebanon. Iran will never fall. I hate to sound like I'm on their board of propaganda or something, but I just can't articulate how deeply impossible, unfeasible, and inadvisable it is to even imagine toppling it by force, under any circumstance.
>>531191609You say that but the entire situation has been retarted from the beginning.Good luck trusting the plan though. Im gunna make some popcorn, let me know if you want any.
>>531187770fpbp.Nothing ever happens.
>>531196300And it of course bears repeating that Iran's win condition is just holding out. They can handle a long war, we can't.
>>531190446what aquafresh saidfor years they wargame an attack on iran, only to be fucked by their retired generals taking over irans sidehappened at elast three times the last ten years>wargame the conflict>wargame iran fucks them with cheap swarm tactics to overwhelm US defences>pentagon has to redo the laws of engagement so often, the wargame situation does not resemble the iran conflict anymore>"yay, the US is capable to beat strawman-iran"in short, they must have known what they are getting into, since they have tested this scenario repeatedlymaybe it's time for a big goy blood ritual
>>531196313>hate to sound like I'm on their board of propaganda or somethingThing is that you're just repeating what your generals and intelligence officers have said for decades. Whether its doable or not is completely academic, because even if it is done, it would be WWII Eastern Front costly, which is not sellable to the american public with no amount of psyops. Its simply a realistic estimation, which is why every american president before Migger Prime preferred negotiating with Iran.
>>531196300>>531196472Ukraine had the backing and funding of NATO. Without NATO it would have fallen in months.Iran has no one. China and Russia have both turned their backs, and they just bombed all the Gulf States into helping the Coalition. And are soon to turn the entire world against them by treating economic terrorism.The details matter.
>>531196857>China and Russiaare giving Iran satellite info and tech and drones and stuff and things
>>531196857>China and Russia have both turned their backsthis retarded cope has been debunked by the zogmutts already, they are blaming Russia for providing intel to Iran.Iran also has way less dependence on external partners in the first place because they make all their weapons. The drones might have Chinese electronics in them but China is always happy to sell.
>>531188900>Air drop is just sending marines in there to die.Trump wants it done yesterday. Get.
>>531195998Look don't start putting your fingers in your ears and coping if you want to also engage in a conversation about this kek. What kind of retard behavior is that? Honestly. But to answer your question- Japan and India are objectively in a worse position than China from a strictly crude stock situation. Although China is in a worse position than most other countries objectively. Tge best way to think about is that this hurts Asia in general. Europe is somewhat dependent on the situation in the ME, but they are actually a bit more diversified than you think and can actually handle quite a bit of sweet crude via the Netherlands etc. Also don't ever think that these vassals and relationships are about a bunch of woman tier feelings (even though Europe is basically run by women). At the end of the day Europe has to get the goddam energy situation squared away and right now they only have two "friends" on that front- the USA and Russia.
>>531196982Russia already cut a deal with the US to put an end to that. And Hormuz being closed is hurting China.So no.>>531197026Try to keep up.
>>531192808You are a jew.You also just demonstrated you care nothing for the people of the world, regardless of nation.Youre a bad person.
>>531187881>checked>nothing to check
>>531193550Retard detected
>>531197211>Russia already cut a deal what is this copeeven if it were to be real, that deal is not worth the paper it is written on
>>531187737The US already has a functional veto on Iran's oil exports, because the US can interdict the ships that carry Iran's oil. There is absolutely no strategic purpose in seizing Kharg island. It's just a narrative being spread to prop up markets, as if the US has an easy solution to re-open the strait of Hormuz.
>>531197026Good luck getting your parts to them now, chang
>>531189087Where do the Hasidics live? I say drop it there.
>>531187737Have you seen a map? How can they get to Kharg if the strait isn't open?
>>531197344Whatever you say memeflag.
>>531197426this stupid nigger doesn't know that there's a rail line going directly from China to Iranhow many little drone circuit boards do you think can fit on a fully loaded train?
>>531197476When are you going to open the pool?
>>531197462We have these things called airplanes.
>>531191898Tonbak
>>531196313What I am telling you is that Israel is hell bent on seeing Iran destroyed or brought to heel. Now that bombing the "snake's head" didn't work the way they will try to do it is by destroying their capacity to produce oil and thereby disrupting and destroying their society- with the added collateral damage that Iran will sperg and destroy the rest of the Persian Gulf oil production. I think the gamble is that this would be so costly to Iran (losing this commerce) that it would invariably result in the toppling of the regime and installation of one that they can control. Likewise I think that they also feel if the crude situation in the Persian Gulf gets bad enough, countries like China etc. will SEE TO IT that the regime gets toppled so that the tap can be opened again because they genuinely need the crude from the Persian Gulf. Stop thinking like a bozo playing total war and start thinking like a glowie because God knows that's who is going to be calling the shots on this shit.
>>531197517When we fucking feel like it.
>>531197574ah ok, patriots are in control
>>531197026Russia loves this war because it benefits them from an energy production standpoint. China hates this war because it harms them economically more than any other major player (I am excluding Japan and India as major players).
>>5311974951 b2 can render that rail line unusable for 6 months.
>>531197495Sure, chang. I'm sure that they're going to continue to allow those imports to continue during a war. International law something something innit. Retard.
>>531187770we are friday dont forget trump always wait for the market to close before doing something
>>531197637Japan is fine cause they have a year of reserves.The straight won't be closed for a year.
>>531192383Prices across the globe are going to even out over time.
>>531197643>>531197667>1 b2 can render that rail line unusable for 6 months.Do it then. Why are you mutts not bombing the hell out of it daily if it was so easy?Migger cope is absolutely mind bending>>531197637>China hates this warYeah I'm sure they do. And I'm sure they correctly see that the only country responsible for the war is Amerisrael.
>>531197725A year of reserves dont mean shit. In case you havent noticed we have moved to actually blowing up the infrastructure and oil fields kek. You think they just spin that shit back up in a few months after it has all been destroyed? The straight could be opened or closed. Once Israel and Iran start wrecking the production capacity itself you have a bigger problem. And frankly I think Japan was retarded to ever rely on that region for so much of their crude stock. What were they thinking?
>>531197725looks like the pool will be closed for yearS
>>531197770Youd have to fuller than a tick on 40 rod liquor to think that blowing up ME oil production ISN'T going to make Murban and DME etc. higher than WTI etc kek. Anyways, idk what you mean long term- obviously all prices will go up to some degree but long term if this gets bad enough the actual supply chain/infrastructure of Asia etc will shift from the ME.
>>531197807Lol poor chang and his delusional grasp of the world. Imagine thinking that the Americans will just continue to allow the chinks to continue shipping drone parts to them indefinitely. It's only a matter of time before every major artery entering Iran is severed. They're being given the benefit of the doubt and opportunity to surrender - for now.
>>531187737Only if you're retarded. Seizing it won't do shit. They'll bomb it and the occupying forces themselves, and then they'll bomb all the relevant oil related infrastructure of the other Gulf states just so that even if the strait is reopened, nothing will be available to flow through because all extraction and refinement will be indefinitely halted. The 20% of oil and gas that the Gulf provided is now PERMANENTLY gone.
>>531198073China (nuclear) > Paki (nuclear) > Iran (nuclearish)
>>531197643It's not even necessary. The rail can't logistical handle enough bulk to make up the difference. It can only handle around 2% of oil exports. Also, it's vulnerable to strategic halts in neighboring countries like Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan. Which has already happened before.
>>531198073>Imagine thinking that the Americans will just continue to allowAmerimutts thinking they even have the physical ability to "allow" or "not allow" things anymore. Kek>It's only a matter of time beforeJust 2 more weeks until the gloves come off, right?
>>531197877>WeYes yes.Your days are numbered.>>531197888Nah
>>531198161He's talking about drone parts entering Iran by rail.
>>531198142That would be suicide for Iran.
>>531198218you could open the pool by leaving
>>531198174They do though. Iran has had its shit pushed in, you silly slope. If their belligerence persists the gloves come off. Everyone wants to avoid that outcome but actions, or lack thereof, have consequences.
>>531191898You're not understanding. If they can't use Kharg because the US holds it, then it's no different than if it's blown up. They'll blow up more gulf energy facilities and shell the island. Hell, it might already be set up to blow like the TSMC facilities in Taiwan.
>>531198174China and the US arent ever going to "take the gloves off" bozo. The strategy of kneecapping Persian Gulf oil to hurt asia etc. has been well known and war-gamed for literal decades now. The US didn't support this strategy because of collateral damage however now that they have committed and the strikes on the regime heads didnt topple the Iranian regime- it is the only real Plan B so they will commit to it. China cannot have the crude in the ME get shut off for long much less the actual fields and production destroyed. I think the US and Israel may resort to this in order to force China's hand to topple the Iranian regime which they can and will do long before they start an actual war with the US.
>>531198261>suicide for IranAre fucking retarded, you already killed their leader and genocided Palestinians and are now are genociding Iranians You don't have the cards.
>>531198261Maybe. And? How's allowing the US and Israel to do what they want any better? If they can't have it, nobody can!
>>531198431asia will switch to russian oil
>>531198493They don't have enough lol.
>Kong Island. >Donald Trump is going inBril. Get me a power suit with “lasers” and a double jump pack and I’ll invade too. Sounds like a good lark. >>531187737>>531188630That’s what that ring was that the ayatollah was flashing?>>531193325>starveThat appears to already be the irangutang strategy. >oh the humanity!cap related. Great plan keeping ships away when you live in the desert.
>>531198548oh that's a newer copewell lets see
Both the United States and Japan need to be careful. Weapons of mass destruction are not limited to nuclear bombs; they also include biological weapons. Because South Korea smuggled strategic materials to Iran, Iran was able to arm itself with weapons of mass destruction. South Korean Firms Violate International Controls on Shipping Materials for WMDs to Iran and Syriahttps://japan-forward.com/south-korean-firms-violate-international-controls-on-shipping-materials-for-wmds-to-iran-and-syria/Editorial: S. Korea should clearly explain fire-control radar incidenthttps://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20181228/p2a/00m/0na/017000c
>>531197564I understand that, I think it's obvious that none of it is going to work, and that if it could, it would have been done decades ago. Their society is toppled and the regime is hardly even just titular at this point. There are three things that no piece of indirect methodology or asymmetric approach will change: their stockpiles, their resolve, and their ability to meaningfully endanger anything that needs to float through the Straight. This is the very simple reality that there are no genius solutions for. They're Middle Easterners. They don't exist without war, they're on team Islam and the last Iranian alive will need to be muzzled too after the handcuffs. It's their homeland. They know every cave and passageway in every one of the *thousands* of square miles of mountains that overlook the Straight. They have decades of stockpiled munitions. Again, you could burn every drop of oil today, kill every leader today, blow up every cart of edible material that crosses the borders starting today. In ten years there would still be a missile aimed at every tanker in the most vital economic point on the globe. I'm trying to help people understand this. It doesn't *matter* what type of strategy anyone thinks they're going to use.
>>531197637China does not exceptionally mind their biggest geopolitical rival making a crippling blunder and bogging itself down in another unwinnable conflict, possibly for decades. All they have to do is to not let Iran lose. Cheap Iranian energy was merely a nice to have for them, not an essential strategic need. They have plenty of partners willing to sell energy for them, like the unblockadable Russia, or Venezuela again, now that Trump was forced to lift the embargo on them. Besides Chinese ships are still going through the strait, because Iran lets them, they will still get some gain out of it.
>>531198493Kek you cannot just "switch to russian oil". That would be a very complicated process. First of all Russian oil fields like the Ural oil are mature. They cannot just spin up production to double daily output in a few months- that might take decades. More importantly the entire supply chain and refinery system in Asia is set up to process somewhere between 40%- 70% ME crude. You cannot just flip a switch and get half your crude stock from another country kek. Shifting to russian oil- EVEN IF there was enough of it- would be a decades long process and would insure economically catastrophic repercussions during the period that the transition was occurring.
>>531187813Not if the USA napalms the entire fucking thing first. It has to burn though because otherwise it's too big to destroy with conventional weapons (unless nukes). So ya, light the whole fucking thing up. We can handle high oil and gas for a few years. But they'll never be able to build on their brand new bird sanctuary island again!Daily reminder: the world hates shitskins, goat fuckers and muzzies! Even your god hates you since it made you a darkie!
>>531187770Rightful US clay.
hell yeah nigga can't wait for A-10's bombing TF out of those cave people
>>531198646>Yes, russia will easily replace the massive amount of oil the ME supplies Asia. >Not cope
>>531198727that's correct, just transporting the oil is hardbut if it is priced at 200 dollarinios things will happen
>>531188494>>531188618Yeah no, the shoreline is flat
>>531187737I hope they turn that shit into Okinawa 2.0
>>531187737Yeah if you're a hegseth or a pajeet.
>>531198702I think anyone would be a fool to say they known of that would work or not. Frankly it comes off as destilled, refined, optimized cope to say one way or another. I think what has happened here is that the US and Israel hoped they could topple the regime by striking all the leadership. That does not appear to have worked so now their only Plan B is to destroy the oil production. Now this has been war gamed for a long time as a viable strategy not just to topple Iran but to injure the Asian economies. The US did not like this strategy because of the collateral damage but I'm not so sure at this point that they have a chance and they have sort of been walked into a situation where they have to give it a shot. I think it could possibly succeed but I would never be so stupid as to pretend I know how such a complex thing would turn out. They have already crossed the line into targeting the production and fields themselves. That is a major line to cross and insinuate where it is all going. If the production gets kneecapped the straight becomes a secondary issue.
>>531187737just seizing Kharg as a pressure tactic isn't going to open the strait if you take a close look at geography and where it's locatedthis is going to turn into an epic clusterfuck and it's only just getting started
>>531198847>Da China peepur build hospital in 10 days during convid they can do thisYes, like magic. You're fucking retarded.
>>531187881Saturate the Iranian cost along the straight of Hormuz with thermonuclear warheads in order to make launching from there impossible.
>>531199042rail
>>531187737>seizedBy what, 900000 mutt corpses?On the other hand, it's so incredibly retarded that the pedo king will 100% try it. GG muttland you had a good run.
>>531193404Holy cringeReminder that while Russia & UK were fighting Germany and it's allies in WWII, doing extremely poorly and needing every man to defend against the Axis onslaught, they still had managed to conquer Iran in a week in the midst of it all.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Iran
>>531193704produces, Iran has the drone factories in their underground empire
>>531187737>is the only logical step forwardTo get the US deeper into this quagmire, and Israel the war it wants. Trump will absolutely do something as retarded as a marine landing, on the prospect of a "quick" victory through seizing a few islands. Of course the unsupported landing force will be chewed apart by Iranian drones and probably artillery and either killed outright or slowly starved to death. Their deaths will enrage the US public who will call for revenge and bobs your uncle there's the Iraq ground invasion force. All according to Keikaku.
>>531199109>Oil by rail will replace tankers ezpzLol "special" forces confirmed.
>>531199180Will Russia invade Iran from the north while the Americans invade from the south now?LOL
Western leaders and k*kes (but I repeat myself) cannot in comprehend Iranian idealism.
>>531199338supply and demand socialist browatch it work
>>531199180They have guns now
>>531199236then everyone in Iran will get a pony and a PS5 and central Europe will rejoin the Soviet Empire. the end.
>>531199342>>531199463>muh mountainsIran has been conquered or occupied several times throughout its history:>Akkadian Conquest (c. 2300–2200 BCE): South-Western Iran (Elam) was conquered by Sarg. of Akkad.>Sumerian/Neo-Sumerian Conquest (c. 2400 BCE & 2090 BCE): Parts of Elam were conquered by Sumerian forces.>Assyrian Conquests (10th – late 7th centuries BCE): Western Iranian kingdoms (Medes) became Assyrian vassals.>Alexander the Great (334–330 BCE): The Macedonian invasion destroyed the Achaemenid Empire.>Seleucid Empire (312–63 BCE): Following Alexander, Greek rule was established over Persia.>Parthian Conquest (c. 160s–139 BCE): Parthians conquered the Iranian plateau, taking over from the Seleucids.>Arab-Muslim Conquest (633–654 CE): The Rashidun Caliphate defeated the Sassanid Empire.>Seljuk Conquest (1037–1194): Turkic conquest that established the Seljuk Empire.>Mongol Conquest (1219–1258): Devastating invasion by Genghis Khan and later Hulagu Khan, establishing the Ilkhanate.>Timurid Conquest (1370–1507): Conquest by Timur (Tamerlane).>Afghan Invasion (1709–1722): The Hotaki dynasty conquered much of Iran, causing the collapse of the Safavids.>Russian Invasions (1722–1723, 1804–1813, 1826–1828, 1909–1918): Various conflicts resulted in the loss of Caucasian territories and temporary occupation of northern Iran.>British Occupation (1856–1857): Occupation of southern Iran during the Anglo-Persian War.>Anglo-Soviet Invasion (1941): Joint invasion during World War II.
>>531188532Bomb their water treatment plants kek
>>531187770Rajesh is right. Kharg Island isn’t their destination. It lies hundreds of miles beyond the Strait of Hormuz, and along a heavily-fortified Iranian coast. Airlifting Marines by Osprey from the Arabian Sea isn’t an option either. They can move maybe a few hundred at a time, but these units rely on logistical support as well as marine aircraft and sometimes navy support. You’d have hundreds of guys with whatever they can carry against drones and ballistic missiles, with no supply lines. It’s just not how MEU’s operate. It worked in Afghanistan because it was the middle of fucking no where against dudes armed with Cold War era rifles. It’s a totally different scenario. Qeshm and Larak are more likely.
>>531199570Well then, go ahead, Crassus-kun
>>531199458Russia doesn't have that volume of oil to replace ME supply to begin with and do you think russia will cap the price knowing they've cornered a market? Talk about socialist cope. You're pretty dumb, nigger.
>>531199737we shall see socialist bro
>>531199022Good points. Well, I'll be hoping against hope that when the dust settles, the Middle East will no longer be the energy center of the world. Obviously fat chance.
>>531199737The natural response would be to shift to a combination of what Russian crude is available, North American crude, North American refined, and South American crude. But yeah it would be a long, complicated, hard process with alot of trouble in between.
>>531199820You're whole cope is predicated upon socialist price controls. Talk about an unaware brownoid.
>>531187737>Khark Island and often referred to as the "Forbidden Island", is a continental island of Iran in the Persian Gulf. The island is 25 kilometres (16 mi) off the coast of Iran25km so iran can do non stop artillery fire from main land
>>531189341Gee, I don't know, maybe the weapons that they have been using to dish out punishment to Israel, every US base in the region, and the Arab scumbags who support the US and Israel, you fucking retard?
>>531188522They're not insured because any time they sail into the strait the suddenly catch fire and start sinking.
>>531199737They do and they do, because they are an OPEC member. They want long-term control, not a short term cashout.>>531199570Holy shit, you are trying to compare the zogbots to Alexander? Let me laugh even harder.>>531199189They want to pretend they have already won, and they won't let those pesky facts get in the way of their glory.
>>531189798>>531191468greeing with it, its just so they can justify it. you think jews give a fuck if you agree or not? what are you going to do about it? nothing. theyll sacrifice soldiers, use it as justification, invade, and theres nothing you can do about it. they want to kill us all, and they will unless we killl them first. thats the only play
>>531200175Russia has nowhere near the volume to replace kek. Just as an objective reality if Asia loses 50% of their crude stock source there is going to be a massive problem and it would take decades to fill that void and it would likely be a combination of various places including the US/North America and Russia both. Short term they'd probably have to try to buy US refined.
>>531199869>>531199022zog army is free and goyim life is expendable. Jews just want to weaken Iran as much as possible. there is no"win". war is good for jews. only trump is stupid enough to think that he could "win" this war. the goal is to cause as much destruction as possible and transfert the small amount of wealth left in the west to israel. jews win you loose. Iran is not even relevant. just keep attacking and dying. trust the plan
>>531187737No, the only logical step would be to meet Irans reasonable demands and take the L.The further this war goes the more insane. NOTHING was gained here, a lot of things got a lot worse. Completely pointless war. Cut your losses. That would take a bigger man than the orange faggot though.
Japan tried to stop South Korea's dangerous actions, but other countries did not. The fact that Iran was able to produce weapons of mass destruction is the responsibility of South Korea and the other countries that did not stop it. South Korean Firms Violate International Controls on Shipping Materials for WMDs to Iran and Syriahttps://japan-forward.com/south-korean-firms-violate-international-controls-on-shipping-materials-for-wmds-to-iran-and-syria/Editorial: S. Korea should clearly explain fire-control radar incidenthttps://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20181228/p2a/00m/0na/017000c
>>531200459They have the volume. It would just happen that the most zogbot-aligned countries would be on the bottom of the list Also, there are other oil producers like Venezuela and extremely humiliatingly, the embargo on them has been already lifted.>>531200903Nah, fuck that. Makes me super proud that Iranian nuclear engineers were trained in Hungary and we sold them second-hand Russian reactor parts too,.
If I were the enemy commander, and my country had valuable facilities on a small island of mine, and an enemy squad landed on that island, I would want to use a biological weapon that remains effective for 24 or 48 hours, rather than a bomb that could destroy those valuable facilities.Our ally, the United StatesPlease be very careful
>>531201025Venezuela has oil underground, if you look at their actual crude production it is miniscule certainly not enough to actually fill any real void. Also Russians production is public information bozo the clown it is objectively not even close to being enough, and then the entire Asian refinery and supply chain system woukd have to change which is an insane undertaking. Also Russia's oil fields are mature- meaning they arent "tapped" but they are fully maximized. It would take full-scale expansion into entirely new fields etc. which is not something can be done overnight.
>>531201795asian west allies will get no russian oilso russian oil has to only be enough for china
>>531193881Right. Meanwhile, Iran continues to launch drones, every day. Shut the fuck up, stupid.
>>531194005>Iran can barely shoot their piddly missiles at anyonePure retarded trannie faggot cope.
>>531201912If all of Asia needs oil and has to fill the ME void only so much of it could come from Russia and China would have to remodel their entire refinery and supply chain structure kek. The reality is that all of these countries have war gamed these scenarios and the general agreed upon response would be a combination of shifting around the Russian crude, shifting to more US/North American crude, buying US refined, and South American crude like Brazil etc. Venezuela would take decades to gin-up production. Russia would take decades to expand production.
>>531201795They have far excess the production capacity, its not "miniscule" they just couldn't sell it on the free market because of the embargos. Also, Russia has massive production capacities, because theirs are similarly dialed back. You are coping because murrica keeps stepping on geopolitical rakes.
>>531202209USA occupied Japan is probably not getting Russian oil
>>531199022> That does not appear to have worked so now their only Plan B is to destroy the oil production.Are you daft? This would literally end modern civilization as Iran destroys gulf oil & gas infrastructure in retaliation. The oil depot in Tehran and the gas field strikes yesterday were done by Israel WITHOUT US APPROVAL. Trump scrambled on his twitter to tell Iran that they wouldn’t let it happen again so that they wouldn’t retaliate. Iran destroyed 20% of Qatar’s LNG capacity and let them off with a warning that a lot more energy infrastructure would be destroyed if their oil and gas was targeted again.Mutts want to “win” by sending the world back to the stone age and you all should be put into straitjackets. What a nuisance.
>>531187737>sieze kharg island>energy crises becomes worseI swear mutts would be the most retarded people if niggers and hindus didn't exist
>>531187737>It appears seizing Kharg Island is the only logical step forwardIt's incredibly illogical and absolutely retarded. You wouldn't need a single soldier on the ground to stop Iran's oil export operations on Kharg. Targeted strikes on moorings and Iranian commercial vessels would do the trick for that so risking troops for something that can be handled by missiles makes no sense at face value.Also, you can't try and operate ground forces who will need supplies and air support on an island 500 km up the Gulf when US carriers have been staying out of the Gulf altogether. If these Marines are going into combat it's over these picrel islands in the Strait. Those are actually somewhat of a sensible target from a strategic and tactical perspective, unlike Kharg.
>>531187737>Land thousands of troops on a giant kill box 20km away from Iran with no easy escape route and within range of every weapon Iran hasWorst part is that they’re stupid enough to try it, bonus points for using the inevitable dead marines as a reason to launch a full invasion of Iran.
>>531193881My brother of chinese descent, these trash spammy drones dont need some "facilities ", they can be built by any nerd with 3d printer and enough time on hand. You'd have to blow up every houses that looks like it has a garage/basement to "neutralize them all">case in point: ukraine
>>531198339You're dumb as bricks. That's basically telling Iran that holding the global economy hostage through acts of terrorism is a valid thing for them to do. Idiot.>>531198477USA wound use it as a bargaining chip, obviously. It's why they fired a warning shit by bombing the island's air defenses weeks before an invasion.It's basically saying "check"Taking the island is checkmate. Iran loses all ability to fund its military. Thus, it's left with two options at that point:1) sit down at the negotiating table and have a chance into exist in paper 2) blow everything up/fight till you run out of money, and GUARANTEE the complete obliteration of the regime.
Japan has decided to buy crude oil from Alaska.
>>531199189LolLmao even
>>531202658Forgot picrel. Qeshm island is the target, if there is one at all, for the inbound marines. >https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2026/3/17/inside-qeshm-irans-underground-missile-fortress-and-geological-marvelIt's a major operational hub for Iran's military in the Strait.
>>531200175They lost to fucking inbred arabs and embraced their pedophilic cult and became their subs
>>531202793Lmao, what the fuck are these retarded copes? Iran is a fucking martyrdom culture theocracy, not lazy consoomers. They WANT to take a difficult, long war lasting decades, just like the Taliban did.>2) blow everything up/fight till you run out of money, Oh yeah huh, would be terrible if Russia or China decided to finance them through loans or something.
>>531194772occupations don't work. the people own the land they inhabit.iran owns the land. if you can't respect that basic concept, you're done before you even start.there's no solution to that. you're not going to convince a people that think you are "big satan" working for "little satan" (and in fact, you are) that your actions, and occupation forces, are good for them. Israel convinced Trump there was a populist element and that regime change was plausible. In afghanistan our "populist element" that was willing to work with us was largely seen as warlords, mujahideen, opium traders, slavers, decadents, abusers of the people. The individuals we worked with closely were a small minority of idealists, good dudes, civic minded, optimistic people that believed in John Rambo, but the organizations we ended up with as allies, out of necessity, out of 'enemy of my enemy' were the warlords who deserved the Taliban and worse even.many small controllable actions are better than large uncontrollable actions. the US was John Rambo, we were always going to have the support of that small minority of good people. that should have been enough to do a lot of good guy shit, a lot of small successful well-considered deliberate actions, and missions of support and diplomacy over time to build a good reputation in the region with the people, even with the taliban eventually.There is only so much you can accomplish when you are not actually the good guy force, when you are not John Rambo. "big satan" simply can't do the job.
>>531199570That's great but the big thing about it now, and that I've been mentioning the whole time as the crucial element, is that the most crucial waterway to the entire global economy is right at their feet. That was never true before, nor did anyone have stand off munitions that could strike from deep inside a vast mountain range. There isn't any argument to be had here. There's never been a worse military situation to commit to. The supply line for not our entire military, not the entire country, but because we're so dependent on oil, the supply line to the entire fucking world is right the fuck there, where they've already choked it off, from where the only possible way to neutralize them is multiple sustained nuclear detonations, the largest chemical warfare attack ever conceived which would kill millions in the surrounding regions, or tens of millions of dead soldiers over a period of decades. And it's STILL unlikely that any or all of those could stop missiles from being launched at the Straight. I can't fucking believe I even have to explain any of this.
>>531194144lmao you fucking retard
