Is he an American Gracchi, Sulla, Crassus, Caesar, or Augustus?
he wants to be caesar, but he is crassus but without any of the actual talents crassus had
I still dont recognize the USA as anything valid lol
>>531195079none of them. maybe didius julianus tops.
Metellus Scipio
>>531195079A Nero at best (disclamer, Nero was far fron being the worst emperor, he was low-mid tier).
>>531195079He is Caesar in the 50s BC. >hyperactive worker>was broke>got political momentum by being a populist>master of propaganda and political communication>got elected>allies with the filthy rich>starts a war to enrich himself>brazenly corrupt>his enemies are waiting to drag him to the courts as soon as his political immunity expires>has fanatical supportersbig question is: will he die in office or will he do something desperate to avoid losing power?and if this leads to a power struggle, will the republic survive or will Barron become a Princeps?
>>531195079Literally none of themOnly retards compare modern figures to ancient ones.
>>531195079He's a defective Berlusconi clone.
>>531195080>>531195085He will lose conflict with Iran.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony%27s_Atropatene_campaign
>>531195079He wants to be Caesar, but in reality is more reminiscent of Nero.
>>531195081>I still dont recognize the USA as anything valid lol>im a coping retardftfy
>>531195089Nero was hated by the Epstein class of his day and loved by the plebs.
>>531195091So... just like Trump?
>>531195079He's Cataline.
>>531195092>trust the plan
>>531195079All of them are a bit forced but I'd say he's closest to the Gracchi or Gaius Marius, for all the screeching about Trump wanting to destroy American democracy he clearly still believes in it and wants to work within the system to reform and fix it. He's a test of whether the American system can preserve itself, because if he fails whatever will follow him will likely be infinitely more radical and clearly anti-democratic>>531195089>NeroNot really, he'd have to be a weeb or whatever the modern equivalent of an ancient philhellene would be
>>531195079>an American GracchiGracchi is plural, retard. The name is Gracchus.
Elagabalus because he is a transgentile
>>531195079Trump is the American Caesar, nothing will be the same after him.
>>531195098Imagine if Bush Jr. staged pic related wrestling match as the main even of WrestleMania 24 after Batista ended The Undertaker's streak we'd enjoy WW3 almost 2 decades earlier without ever needing to suffer under Obama's and Biden's presidencies. Unfortunately Bush Jr. wasn't as smart as his father who used Sergeant Slaughter to advertise his New World Order that his favorite wrestler Hulk Hogan would restore in WCW
>>531195079Crassus
>>531195079Caligula
>>531195079he's John VI Kantakouzenos
>>531195095>He's a test of whether the American system can preserve itselfnot looking too good
He reminds me of Caligula.
>>531195079He's a historically unprecedented phenomenon>burn bridges with all allies for no reason except for one ally who's much smaller and weaker than you>start an unwinnable war on the behalf of that ally>do it without any planning; the shithole you just invaded then btfos you and blackmails you by denying you oil which your economy depends on>act like a complete retard the entire time>nobody at home tries to stop you in all this even though the war is flagrantly illegal and also planners and generals have been advising against it for decades
>>531195105you're right, we'd probably have to sift through the history of dynastic china to find some analogous leader so obscenely corrupt and retarded yet totally unaccountable
>>531195105Trump is literally the most incompetent politician in history. People will namedrop Caligula or whatever but Caligula didn't get to do much damage and much of what's attributed to him is now considered unreliable info by historians
>>531195095The Grachii famously wanted to give land and money to the plebs and one of them was murdered running for reelection after the term limit. Trump is not really enriching the poor ir middle class, but maybe if you squint you can say that he promises it at least.Marius main thing is that he was popular for being a war hero. He captured Jughurta, he trained new legions and saved Rome from the Teutones, and then he leveraged that popularity against the elites. That could have been an Eisenhower (if he had turned out to be a radical in office) or a general like Petraeus or McCrystal of they took up a left populist cause.#Bernie / Petraeus 2028
He wouldn't last nearly as long, he wishes he could clean Nero's sandals.
>>531195107I wouldn't say most retarded politcian in history, but by this point he is certainly competing for most retarded US president
>>531195110>I wouldn't say most retarded politcian in historyWho is then?
>>531195105>>531195102>>531195101>>531195100>>531195098>burgers retards analogue Trump is Zionist bootlicker which Romans despise, Another thing that he is Germans.
>>531195103Yeah...>>531195108Yes, Trump isn't really like any of them which is why I opened my post with "All of them are a bit forced", I find comparing American figures to Roman ones to be a bit too common when most of them don't line up very well at all.
>>531195079>>531195080
>>531195079A mix of Vitellius and Commodus. Commodus because hes a blatantly corrupt pedophile and Vitellius because hes a fat piece of shit. Though you would probably have to dive deep into the annals of Chinese dynastic history to find someone as demented and corrupt as Trump is as >>531195106 said.
>>531195079
>>531195079The comparison might be an obscure one but to most traditional conservatives and even some leftists and moderates, Trump is roughly equivalent to the position that Socrates holds of Sparta in the Second Alcibiades dialogue. That Sparta is an authoritarian state but that the Athenian democracy and its traditions (such as public prayer and specifics of divination that aren’t reallt relevant to the point here) are so much worse that Socrates supports Sparta and its oligarchs over Athens just because it’s the less worse of the two. My comparison is kind of iffy but you could trade prayer and religion in Athens for critical race studies in schools, support for HAMAS among leftists, protesting of ICE and other radical protests and see the same point that Socrates tries to make in his defense of Sparta that it is an authoritarian model to run a state but that the erosion of Athens at least isn’t present within its borders.
>>531195079Sparta is authoritarian and “prays to the gods in order to be given good things” and not to make some convoluted moral message. Obviously the implication for Plato here is in authoritarianism vs democratic institutions of Athens- that Sparta is base but also straightforward as opposed to democrats of Athens. In the Second Alcibiades, Socrates defends Sparta's prayer practices to teach Alcibiades that true wisdom requires knowing what is good, rather than simply acting on ambitious ignorance. By praising Spartan simplicity, Socrates critiques Athenian reckless, uninformed political ambition, guiding Alcibiades to understand the need for self-knowledge and divine guidance over premature, dangerous political action. WikipediaWikipedia +1Key aspects of this defense include:The Problem of Ignorance: Socrates argues that most people, including Athenian politicians, act in ignorance, making their actions potentially dangerous rather than beneficial.Spartan Simplicity as Wisdom: Socrates praises the Spartan approach of praying simply to be given good things rather than engaging in complex, potentially immoral, or vain requests, suggesting this modesty is wiser.The Danger of Reckless Action: He uses the Spartan example to show that political actions, especially in war, require a careful understanding of good and evil, a skill that Alcibiades—and many Athenians—lacked, as noted in Wikipedia and Professor Matt W.Prioritizing Self-Knowledge: The dialogue concludes that it is necessary to wait and learn the nature of the good before acting, encouraging a more moderate and reflective approach over, as explained in Wikipedia and Professor Matt W
>>531195079He's the Akhenaten of America
>>531195079Nero lol.And I’m not exaggerating; time will judge him very harshly.Without the wars it was up in the air, with them he’s destruction from the inside I hate this country tho, so fuck it
>>531195079I don't know, it would be impossible for a Trump to fail upwards with a series of massive con games and market manipulation in the ancient days. Pretty much even the bad Roman Emperors had a respectable skill set of some sort. Most of them distinguishing themselves with valor as generals. Skill in oration. Intellect. Etc.I cannot say Trump has any real skillset that would get him ahead in the Roman world. Trump is a cross between a carnival barker, televangelist, and used car salesman. A con man of a distinctly sleezy character who's great at fooling the rubes, but he fools no one of even average intellect. Rubes also love him because they live vicareously through him. They think, "that's exactly who I'd be if I was in charge!"
>>531195120There's a good argument that Nero was not given a fair shake by historians. Nero still seemed like he had decent traits. Apparently he was a good ruler in his early years and he was pretty great lyre player.I cannot say there's one good thing about that orange buffoon. He's just a con man who's great at playing stupid people, that's it. There's nothing else there. I suppose there's an element of PT Barnum's showmanship that may be deserving of respect in a roundabout way, but he's using that skill for the most nefarious means.
Trump isn't any of these people, because he's not any of these people. What you're doing is a clear example of Presentism, you open with a premise that Trump and America's political environment is anywhere close to what Rome's was. I hate these threads, they're designed specifically to siphon low-IQ takes and off-base schizo responses from uncritical people.
>>531195123Cry more libtard
>>531195123he's just a fat conman who doesn't believe in anything and needs to be in office to stay out of jail. his campaign donors wanted war with iran and cheap labor, so he delivers, dimwit flyover chump voters be damned. it's not nearly as sexy as muh rome analogies make it out to be
>>531195114>Elon Musk will be stabbed to death at the foot of a statue of Ron DeSantis
>>531195125> he's just a fat conman who doesn't believe in anything and needs to be in office to stay out of jail. his campaign donors wanted war with iran and cheap labor, so he deliversSo literally Crassus/Sulla?
>>531195125You're seething over an 80 year old man who isn't even going to be in office in a couple of years or sooner at this point. You're acting like his predecessors weren't also doing the same type of shit. This isn't a whataboutism, the point I'm making here is that he's more moderate than you give him credit for by US presidential standards. Scott Bessent is the highest ranking openly gay official in US history and he is a Trump appointee. If anything I think him being a senile old man that's just having his cabinet do all his work for him is exactly what's helping to keep his administration in check in the first place
>>531195128>seethingI'm making an assessment of him as a politician, you just take issue with it being negative. frankly I don't care about the future of this country, I have 3 passports and can dip easily if america goes in the shitter >the point I'm making here is that he's more moderateliterally didn't say anything about him being an extremist, did you even read my post
>>531195129>you just take issue with it being negative.I'm mostly taking issue with you being a manic Cluster-B retard to be honest.
>>531195120>time will judge him very harshly.>Without the wars it was up in the air, with them he’s destruction from the insideWithin the USA you are probably right, but I think it was the tariffs and general, endless back and forth economic slipperiness that lost the patience of the rest of the developed world. Evil American leaders who gerrymander elections, diddle kids, and bomb the middle east are kind of par the course, horrible as they are, but someone who you blatantly can't do business with because he'll rip up the contract is uncharted waters for a US president.
>>531195130>"responds" to something I didn't say>canned buzzword snapback
>>531195131>but someone who you blatantly can't do business with because he'll rip up the contract is uncharted waters for a US president.The tariffs were hardly without precedent, as countries being tariffed already had their own respective tariffs against the US. What's uncharted territory is an American president responding to them in the first place, since US policy has historically been open trade even at its own expense. I don't think economic protectionism is necessarily a bad thing, but obviously no economy can exist in a vacuum, but this goes both ways too. The US is the largest economy in the world, some countries literally can't afford to lose access to the American economy
>>531195132>frankly I don't care about the future of this country, I have 3 passports and can dip easily if america goes in the shitterLike I said, you're a cluster-b retard. Don't get your tampon in a twist
>>531195129For someone who doesn't care and has no skin in the game you sure do fret about it on dead gay Taiwanese pearl diving forums a lot.
>>531195133Again, I don't want to condescend to you, not least because on a very zoomed-out level you're right, but I cannot overstress how absolutely shocking it was seeing a US president waltz out with a series of physical slides, saying that he was going to tariff every country on the planet. You look at this dumb board and it immediately becomes apparent to anyone with eyes that Trump's 'taking advantage of the USA' is entirely predicated on trade deficit. Now, as an 18 year old economics student knows, having a large trade deficit with a country usually means that you are exploiting them - they give you real goods in return for valueless bits of green paper that only have worth because the fed says they do. That's why, incredibly ironically, the countries most in hoc to United States interests like Vietnam or Cambodia got hit with some of the hardest tariffs - they're not taking advantage of you, you set these systems up to exploit their labour, you're taking advantage of them! Seeing a US president blatantly not understand all the above, backtrack almost immediately, attempt to sign a series of "deals" that never had any proper legal basis, backtrack on half of those "deals" for whimsical reasons, demand a group of six countries suffer more severe tariffs because they supported Greenland, IMMEDIATELY backtrack on this, get told by the supreme court that he had to give the ball back, immediately renege on this and find another legal mechanism...again, I cannot stress this enough, there is no banana republic in the world that behaves this badly and inconsistently. I genuinely think it is unprecedented in the whole history of great power relations, and the mass of Americans (Republicans and Democrats alike) are too insular to understand the sheer horror with which their country is now regarded by the world's investors and power brokers. And all of that was before starting a war in Iran without considering the possibility of starting an oil crisis.
>>531195134oh, so that's what set you off. you accused me of being emotionally invested in the outcome of a us president's leadership, I explained why I wasn't>Don't get your tampon in a twistbud you went on a whole spiel about scott bessent in "response" to a scenario that only happened in your head. are you posting from the psych ward?
>>531195137...
>>531195137NTA but it looks like you might be proving him right
>>531195135>pretends he's never casually badmouthed something for fun
>>531195079None. Did ancient Rome have jewish puppets?
>>531195141>Did ancient Rome have jewish puppets?Pontius Pilate
>>531195079More like Romulus Augustus>>531195087And this
>>531195112This.
Why are people itt likening him to Nero? Nero's foreign policy was successful and he was popular among citizens. Trump is the polar opposite of that. The only thing they have in common are sex scandals and narcissism
>>531195080This. Died by the hands of Persia
>>531195145The mythology of Nero burning Rome and going more and more narcissistic and insane, both aren't true to the historical Nero but are true of Trump.
He is an american constantine since he makes america christian/gay (it's the same thing)
During January 6th it looked like he might legitimately be our Caesar, but it looks like he is going to be our Sulla. He will want things to go back to normal after him but this won't last.
>>531195079He is none because mutts are nothing like my honorable ancestors. You're closer to Carthage than anything and you'll end the same way.
>>531195145Being popular among commoners didn't amount to anything ever until late 19th century. Anyone equite or above, and even wealthy plebians despised him for debasing himself by participating in theatre (the equivalent of a sitting president taking part in a porn shoot), as well as for being a murderer of his stepbrother, mother and wife.
>>531195914>He is none because mutts are nothing like my honorable ancestors.The Romans were degenerate, immoral, greedy, murderers who committed genocide routinely.
Moved from /his/ I'm guessing?
>>531195079Catiline
>>531195145>Nero's foreign policy was successful and he was popular among citizens.Trump is both of those things, Trump's foreign policy has been incredible, Maduro is behind bars, Iran is getting fucked up at very little cost, and Cuba is about to fall. And Trump is popular with his voters.
Right now he’s looking like Crassus more than anything, with some schizo ramblings added on. The rise through riches but major foreign policy blunder (in Persia ironically) is too similar to ignore. Nero had no interest in actually governing. He wanted to be an actor and musician not emperor. I do think Trump enjoys being president and in power. Many emperors were narcissists so that alone isn’t enough to compare the two
>>531196254Yep.Pity too, I was just starting to enjoy the debate
>>531195079Crassus, obviously.>obscenely rich, obsessed with gold>extremely corrupt>blackmailed by his mafia goons>destroys civilian property and rebuys it for scrap>seeks military glory in Persia>gets defeated by persian arrows (missiles)YOU ARE HERE>suffers a humiliating death
>>531195079Hes a Commodus, delusional and psychopathic.
Trumpus Maximus.Look up what to ‘trump’ means in english slang. >’fart’The name Barron Trump had me giggling for years. It’s like the baddy in a funny nintendo game. >>531195080>without crassus’s talentsWhat talents did Crassus have? Someone was taking a wild guess there in that post. Crassus was a terrible leader and general, failed & died ingloriously after setting out on what everybody considered to be a very easy campaign with high hopes of getting a greedy haul of loot and slaves out of bullying a weak but reputedly wealthy foe. He was confronted by a smaller force sent to merely delay and harass his legions and Crassus immediately went to bits and fouled up, it was a fast cavalry harassing force that had been sent against him but rather than matching it with his cavalry and keeping his own troops mobile as advised by his officers he formed everything he had into one absolutely huge static square in the middle of a desert. And sat there like a big scared pillock.His enemies did hit & run, hit & run, hit & run at will. Crassus’s son was eventually sent in pursuit of a retreating force of hit & run horse attackers with all the roman cavalry but they led the roman cavalry into a trap and butchered them all and put crassus’s son’s head on a banner pike. When crassus saw this at the next round of attacks he lost his mind. In the end he left all of his legions there and with the most mobile roman soldiers left to him and all the remaining cavalry crassus made a run for it. His legions were slaughtered where he had left them in the desert. Crassus was caught while running away and he too was killed, or he suicided i can’t recall his final fate other than he died in his haste to escape.
Sooo… we all know about crassus it seems. Touché. America isn’t rome though. It’s america. Tits and ass empire of TV. Industrial capacity empire. Will it be flash in the pan? We will see. If things change and industrial capacity is no longer the marker of strength because of the technology slider rising or falling we’ll take over again… but the long noses and theosophist Satanists have thought of that and that’s why they are well poisoning the genetic pool with their Satanic “great levelling” migrant shit. The Satanic question needs answering, with finality. Humans cannot go on existing if evil in high places is not extinguished and their means dragged out into the light for all to see so it can be policed against by an inquisition and never done again.
>>531195079Lardicus MaximusI doubt Trump is even a fan of the Roman Empire, considering how they treated Shlomo after they killed a bunch of Romans. Trump would have apologized to Shlomo and let them flood Rome with Subsaharan niggers as apology.
>>531195079Marc Antony. Looks a bit like him, too.
>>531195079imo ceasar. he showed that the republic is dead, but he's too incendiary. whoever comes after him will rule as emperor. his corpse will be used as a prop
>>531195079America lost its place as inheritor of Rome long ago.Its society is more akin Carthage
>>531195079None, don’t be insulting. He’s an old stock anglokike sucking kike dick. And most likely without even blackmailing, probably brainwashed with some exclusive flavor of semitic ponzi scheme.
>invaded Iran>Willingly to help Jews with rebuilding Third TempleHe's clearly american Julian the Apostate
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>>531195079none of those italians crashed the republic, he is more like those faggots of the imperial era crashing the roman empire, also a pedophile, more akin to a nero, who torched rome, he is torching to murican economy with excessive debts, extreme deficits, and useless, badly done, wars.
>>531195079He is an American Judas Iscariot
>>531195080FPBP
>>531195131> who you blatantly can't do business with because he'll rip up the contract is uncharted waters for a US president.This has been the prevailing zeitgeist for some time now: undermine the rights of the people, disregard contractual obligations, and fall back on the logic that might makes right—and that if you didn’t act first, someone else would have.People are quick to participate in corruption when it serves their interests, yet just as quick to complain when the same system fails to protect their own compromised arrangements. But this is the framework that has been normalised.For all of Trump’s faults, one of the more revealing dynamics has been watching how those who previously eroded legal and institutional norms—through lobbying, influence, and outright corruption now cry bitch and moan when similar tactics are applied more openly in areas like trade and agreements.The justification remains consistent: if we hadn’t acted first, someone else would have imposed tariffs on us.I hope you can see how it feels.The uncertainty, the injustice, oh it is but a taste of what the people have had to endure.Remember if we didn't tariff and bomb Iran first, they would have bombed us.Funniest timeline to watch the hypocrisy of thought exposed in the class of people who are all on board with it until they get their turn.This is one of the better things Trump has done for the world.Introduced risk and uncertainty into markets so that we the people who were moulded by such a world thrive.
>>531195079More like Nero.....totally declined and demented maniac.
>>531204666 checkedAllegedly converted to judaism.
>>531195393Caligula if he nominate animal to high place at his administration....Nero if he starts killing all people nearby under his paranoid events.
>>531195079Crassus but poorer and less militarily competent
>>53120169480 iq
>>531201694>CE If we are going there, may as well count from Roman calendar years.
>>531195104>CaligulaAgreed, the first completely incompetent nepo leader that reveals the ideals and institutions of the old order are irrelevant.
>>531195079>Caligula (37-41 CE): Renowned for cruelty, tyranny, and narcissism, demanding to be worshipped as a god, bankrupting the treasury, and embarrassing the Senate.Tell me this is not straight up Trump legacy...
>>531195079Whichever one cucked to the jews.
Also, Nero was not even bad.Nero history was rewritten by Christians because Nero was one of the last emperors to prosecute Christians.When they went to kill Nero, he escaped the patricians and hid between the plebs, who formed a human shield because they loved him.>muhh hendonismHE WAS ITALIAN. Have you ever met an Italian who was not a pervert?
roman emperor? caesar?lmao, he's yeltsin or gorbachov
Trump is Elagabalus
>>531199255This is the only answer.
>>531195085The problem with all of these analogies to past leaders, is that they ignore that Trump is largely being lied to and led by the people surrounding him (Jews & Zionists).Is there a historical figure which was incompetent himself of leading and thus was just told what to do by the people around him?
>>531195079Julian the Apostate.
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>>531195079The Kennedys were the Gracchi
>>531195085There was a midpoint at which he ceased to be an actual populist, whereas Caesar more or less maintained his position despite being surrounded by unscrupulous fellators as the man today is
>>531195914And which ancestors would those be, fellow flaggot?
