I don't wanna get the answer from the /chug/ containment general because it's the same 3 no life neets shitflinging back and forth for the past like 4 years and i'd like an unbiased perspective.so who's winning in terms of territory? who's been making the biggest gains recently?
If you're trans Ukraine is winning, if not Russia
>>531210370damn, guess Ukies are cooked then. rip
>>531210052Russia is winning and Ukraine is losing.
>>531210644alright thanks
>i'd like an unbiased perspective from /uhg/
>>531210625Less flippantly it's the same as it has been, Russia is slowly making progress and will eventually win unless they for some reason decide or are forced to stop. The West is hoping that with enough sanctions and refinery bombings they can eventually cripple them economically enough to force them out of the war, but this seems unlikely to succeed
>>531211561lately ukraine is making gains but its same "zoom in until you see individual fields" rate of gains as russia had for last few months
>>531210052russia, but is globohomo vs russia.
>>531210052>only talking points from r/uhg are allowed
>>531210052Ukraine hasn’t even occupied the entire Donbas since 2014. It’s a 12 year separatist insurgency that Ukraine is losing. Zelensky says he won’t host elections in his nation until all the land is returned but Zelensky himself wasn’t even elected under those conditions in 2017.
>>531210052>Who's winning The USA
>>531210052Jews.
>>531210052no onethey should lay arms and call it a day
>>531210052>so who's winning in terms of territory?Define, Russia has control over ~16% of the country for the last 4 years, that didn't change almost at all after the initial pushback. >who's been making the biggest gains recently?Ukraine, but again, we're talking about a small fraction of a percentage every time.Russia is "waiting" for the west to stop supporting Ukraine, Europe won't stop, so we keep on waiting.
>>531216083BullshitUkraine has lost half the area they were controlling in Donbas in the last 6 months
You'd have to define 'winning' from the perspective of both nations war aims. >UkraineYou have a parlay of 1) Surviving fully intact and 2) Somehow coming out of the conflict as part of the EU/Nato/some kind of tightly bound security arrangement. The idea of regaining territory at this point is a fantasy, perhaps a bigger concern now is how catastrophic are your demographics following the conflict and how many unintended directions can your internal politics go in the wake of national trauma.>RussiaWould depend how content they are with existing gains, and whether they can manufacture a deal that leaves Ukraine somewhat politically and militarily non-integrated with the West. Can Russia build a future where the West doesn't commit long term to continued political isolation, demographic decline, brain drain etc.In terms of on the ground conflict someone else will give a better answer.
>>531210052I followed this war since its beginning and have no stake in what happens to either of these two countries. And no matter how you shake it I can't see how this is anything but a huge loss for Russia.
>>531210052Russia has been slowly grinding down ukraine. It's unironically WW1 they're not suffering too many casualities per year and they could continue this shit for years to come. Ukraine is going to get funded by the EU and Russia by it's Oil and Gas. At the end of this shit you'll probably see a map like this the disputet parts will be Donets and Luhansk what % of these goes to Russia. Russia will have it's warm sea port back and will realistically have to import millions of Indian to offset it's loss in workforce in menial jobs. It will also take anotehr 20 years to get back up to the Standards it had before this war started. Ukraine meanwhile is probably going to get flooded by European factories, used as cheap labor, will join the EU and in 20 years will probably have a much higher standard of living compared to Russia. You're probably going to see a Poland style rebirth in Ukraine. As they have all the elements of Poland, good workforce thats underpaid, access to the sea for raw materials. Russia I imagine will start building up it's East as it continues to have more and more trade with China and but it will do so very carefully as the Chinks might literally out populate the Russians in Russian parts if allowed. Honestly I don't see this much as a win for Russia long term. They got some territory, but for that they scarified basically all of that territories manpower. What Russia needs is young men and thats something neither Russia nor Ukraine are producing at the moment or were before the war. Having 1 kid or no kids remains the average.I honestly doubt Russia will try any more operations in Europe as there nothing to gain from it. This was the proof of concept. And the concept didn't work.
>>531210052what is happening?we need spy reports
>>531210052Russia is definitely winning. The only metrics where Ukraine is doing better than Russia is shilling and gorespamming. Russia has more men, more firepower, better communications, better supply lines, better morale, better training, better leadership, and so forth. While it's difficult to ascertain the casualty ratios with any degree of certainty, all factors which historically have led to lopsided casualty ratios in favor of one side are in favor of Russia.
