Is Iran actually winning? Xitter is telling me Iran is dominating the game right now.
You people speak of winning and losing without defining the conditions for winning and losing. Trump said that he wants regime change and unconditional surrender, Iran said that they want to inflict enough hurt on the US and Israel so that they won't try to attack them again.
>>531216144You honestly believe those shitterfags, nigger ? We are anal-raping those mountain dwelling niggers & our ground troops will be on iranian soil in a couple of days.
>>531216849They shot down an F-35....
>>531216993Do you have a video of the wreckage to back up your claim?
>>531216144>Is Iran actually winning?I can't imagine the universe where that happensThey've optimized their army for thorough defeat, not for defeating the enemy
>>531216144Not an expert but I think it’s fair to say their ability has been underestimated.
>>531216144Americans have such a hard-on for these planes and the gun's cool I guess, but they'll get blown out of the sky by even slightly decent AA. They lost a few in Iraq. They will not do well invading Iran.
They are clearly gaining the upper hand geopolitically, even if it comes at the cost of greater losses. U.S. influence in the Middle East is going to be significantly weakened, and the petrodollar system will likely collapse if this goes on for much longer. Amersharts are likely fucked - their Suez crisis moment, but with 40 trillion in debt
>>531216144Depends on "Winning." They're getting their infrastructure and industries fucked, but for the regime they just need to survive and stay in power to "win". The US can't force a surrender for a regime change or even a nuclear stop, so they are in a sense "losing" strategically & economically.
>>531216144Iran is like Ukraine. Getting minced 100s of times but will highlight a few victories of their own all while getting hit hundreds more.
>>531217670sure thing pidor your midget retard leader is hiding
>>5312161444 weeks into the special 4 hour SMO. Global economy fucked. Usa and zognald have no way to descalate You tell me who is winning.
>>531216144funerals in tehran>kek
>>531216144the USA and Iran have different win conditions.
>>531216144they should have hidden their arifrafts and missiles and shit in deep caves. too far down for bunker busters to penetrate. you destroyed 99 percent of their shit and somehow they're still hitting the US and Israel pretty hard.but they will run out of missiles
I think there will be plenty of strategic victories around for Iran as they will push for America and Israel to have one successive pyrrhic victory after another.
>>531216144moar funerals>moar kek
>>531216993So ? We have hundreds of those & it's war shit happens. Also, no one have any actual footage of them shooting down one
>>531216144I hate the American military industrial complex with a passion but the A10 is the most kino thing you guys have produced.
>>531216144USA defaultism is so prevalent among third world shitskins that they consider anything less than a decisive victory within 24 hours as a "loss" for the USA. And of the USA just nuked Iran flat they would be spamming>HOW CAN YOU NUKE!!!
>>531216144>Is Iran actually winning?as far as a regional power vs the "superpower" united states, they are doing better than most people expected. as far as "winning" it depends on what their objective is, until you state an objective, you can't really win or lose. their shit is getting fucked up and their leadership is dead or wounded. the US objective is regime change, so far that has kind of happened, but also the "new" regime is the same as the old regime so calling that a win isn't really being honest. the iranian objective is to get the US out of the middle east. they have bombed US bases in that area, and the king of bahrain has fled and bahrain has a big US base there. so, similar to the US "winning" with the regime change that really didn't change anything, Iran is "winning" by kind of reducing the presence of the US military in the middle east.that's a very narrow view of the whole situation though. from a geopolitical/economic perspective iran has made themselves a pariah to their neighbors by bombing them, though they host the military bases the US uses to bomb iran so they really can't be mad about that. the US on the other hand is heading into a nightmare. first, nobody wants a war for israel. second, fuel prices have already increased 25%+ (for me, diesel was $3.80 now it's $5.00). third, our economy is already a bunch of tech bros getting government money and the US is borderline bankrupt with about $40 trillion dollars worth of debt. fourth, trump spent the past 6 months telling europe he was going to invade greenland and generally being a dick to everyone. fifth, because the US offshored all its manufacturing to china, the rest of the world doesn't really depend on us for anything but overpriced medical equipment. so with all that being said, trump is in a really bad position and the US could end up way more unstable than it already is. iran's regime will probably outlast trump/maga/israel first.also: called it
>>531216993High tech crap. At least the lewdbirds will achieve something. And the idiots wanna retire these beauties ... a crime. A sin.
>>531216849Based and correct>>531216993No they didn't lmfao it landed under its own power
>>531216144Depends on what you consider winning. If it is destruction of leadership, the US is winning. If it is causing alliances to fracture, Iran is winning. They're technically both achieving their goals.
>>531216144Nobody is winning. Considering how much weaker iran is, it does kind of look like they are winning. I don't think the US is losing yet.And obviously the citizens in all countries are fucked. Iran, israel getting bombed and the west is getting high gas prices.
>>531216144The stated Isreali goal with the war is the total collapse of the Iranian government. This hasn't happened and doesn't appear to be happening any time soon. Despite all of the airstikes Iran's missles have not stopped coming and the strait of Hormuz is still closed.The only way for Isreal to destroy Iran is to send in the US infantry to occupy it, a proposition that is logistically impossible to succeed.
>>5312168494 new commanders killed today
>>531217906>the US objective is regime change, so far that has kind of happenedNo, it hasn't happened at all. You retards have actually consolidated support for the regime.
>>531216144they are "winning" because the US is defeating itselfTrump fucking it up with everyone involved just to bring "the messiah" back or whatever the fuck these losers think
>>531216144Iran sure does seem to be punching above its weight class. Also, those cluster bombs are kino.
>>531216144Iran is having a really bad time, but:America and Israel can’t change the regime, can’t ensure that Iran’s missile capabilities are destroyed, can’t ensure that Iran’s nuclear ambitions are over, and can’t make the Strait of Hormuz secure without a massive land invasion and occupying Iran for a significant period of time. There isn’t the political will to do this in America.It would take years of bloody conflict that would be much more akin to the type of war seen in Ukraine (around 600,000 Russian and Ukrainian deaths) than the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan (about 6,900 American deaths over 20 years).
>>53121931489,996,500 to go
>>531219151>a million dead AmericansThat's a price Israel is willing to pay
>>531216329trump already announced several times we've wonits done, this is just clean up
>>531216144But seriously are mutts telling me that their soldiers are so brainwashed as good goys that none of them have started fragging their COs?
>>531219455Iraq and Afghanistan failure was the nation building part after. The killing terrorists initial wars took like 2 weeks and was the based part, they should have left after destroying both militaries and bombed their infrastructure as revenge for 9/11. Just don't nation build.
>>531216144Persian forces are massing to take an US beachhead in Maryland as we speak.
>>531217476What slightly decent AA?
>>531216144>the algorithm feeding the news I like consuming is telling me a particular outcome. Should I believe it?
>ITT: faggots pretend that /pol/ has always worshiped a Fighter Jet and you're "jewish" if you point out the obvious that downing a plane is not a big deal
>>531219605>its done, this is just clean upIs that why you're going to iran tomorrow, tranny?
>>531219455>There isn’t the political will to do this in AmericaAmerican leaders have already literally said fuck what America wants we serve Israel to the last dead American
>>531217670It's like Ukraine, if Russia wasn't a retarded 3rd world military and could kill their entire government in the first two week of the war.
>>531216993They didn't...
>>531219314They should just use decoy commanders until the war is over. Hide the real ones in bunkers and only show the decoy ones on the media and internet.
>>5312176702 more weeks to Kiev?
>>531219372holy shit read the fucking whole post before going nuts about one point which could be argued
>>531216144The Epsteinites are winning tactically in terms of damage given, but Iran is overperforming all expectations and defeating the Epsteinites strategic aims
>>531219988Neither Russia nor Ukraine have:>the technological superiority in complexity of munitions and targeting>the volume of firepower we have>the geopolitical intimidation factor we have to be able to use such firepower without external retaliation>the capabilities to confirm targets like we can>the overall intelligence we have over our enemies>the agility in logistics to move important personnel where they need to be>the efficiency in logistics to move important equipment where it needs to be>the manpower>the readiness
>>531219988not that it matters anymore, but it is against international law to kill government leaders. there's a reason everyone called russia's strategy cuck warfare.
>>531216144well iran is getting bombed to shitbut on the other hand they validate strategical objectives and gain leverage while the US doesn'tso strategically yes iran is winning
>>531220476we also put them to shame in the "desperately thirst for jewish cock" category
>>531216144Depends. Iran wins if they can draw it out, America wins if they can do enough damage the regime stops functioning. Both sides are achieving their goals in that sense. America would win outright with boots on the ground but that would get really bloody.
>>531216144>Is Iran actually winning?The only people wining are the ruling class around the world.Everyone else around the globe is losing.With massive inflation, energy and food shortages on the way.
>>531219661You're right about iraq and afghanistan. But would they not need to occupy a huge sector of iran to ensure the flow of oil etc through the straight? In much the same way as the saudis announced to the world they were a significant world power by limiting oil supplies in 1973, Iran has just asserted their importance in the world economy. i cannot see any easy or short term solution to this beyond iarael/america completely capitulating or completely dominating.
>>531216144Iran is looking to become more powerful from this and America less powerful. Kill count doesn't matter much especially when they're Shia Muslims
>>531220567Both Russia and Ukraine still fellate israel though.Ukraine wants to be bigger israel and Russia thinks israel is an ethnic Russian country when it's convenient.
>>531216144Yes, Iran is winning.>Killed over 2,000 US soldiers>Killed 12,000 Israeli soldiers>Destroyed every American military base in the middle east >Shot down 3 American B-2 Bombers>Completely destroyed Tel Aviv, rendering it uninhabitable >Sunk the USS Gerald Ford twice, and the USS Abraham Lincoln three times >Defeated Leonidas on the first day of the war>Shot down Themistocles' F-35 fighter jet and executed him>Captured Alexander of Macedon>Captured and executed Jesus of Nazareth by crucifixion >Launched a successful orbital bombardment against New York City, cutting off the financial head of the United States>Encircled Washington with 16 legions of IRGC infantry
The best way to judge is to look at who is in control? The United States of Israel has bombed Iran to bits for the last 3 weeks hitting targets at will. But, they haven't diminished Iran's ability to strike and build more missiles - all of that is underground. The US can't really do any more damage than they have. Iran however can continue to shell Israel daily for as long as they want - 5000 missile stockpile and ability to make 200 / month. They can decide if they want to level Israel until it is no longer habitable - power, oil, water/desalinization, hospitals, government, etc. If they want to tank the economies of the world, they can hit local oil fields until everything is offline. The recent hit on Qatar means 20% of the world Nat Gas is offline for 5+ years - rebuilding can start after the war stops - one missile had that effect to make European nat gas 26% more expensive. Saudi is using a pipeline down south to continue oil flow to the Red Sea - that is in range and can be hit.If you look at who has moves to make that will cause damage to their enemy, I would say it is Iran who has the stronger hand.
>>531221232You forgot:>captured entire Delta Force unit on the first day + 1000 us army soldiers they found under a rock
>>531221329Good catch. Delta Force no longer exists.
>>531221291They've definitely hit the missile and drone factories badly, most weren't underground at all. The problem is that they can't get them all and just a few are very dangerous against oil infrastructure and military bases
>>531220488If you haven't realized yet, jews don't care about "international law" unless it benefits them. That's why they need to be wiped out from existence.
>>531222075They saw exactly what happened to Iraq and knew the US would have air superiority within the first week. I would bet anything worthwhile is tucked safely underground. I am sure Israel would love to stop the bombing of their cities daily but can't.
>>531216144It's just shitposting.>America has to dominate War of the Worlds style or else we lose and we're GAY>but if just one Iranian survives that means they win and they're BASED
>>531222379I'd have thought that too, it's pretty obvious but no not really, all in factories. After the last missile exchange they started moving their gear underground and that's why Israel had to attack. For them it was now or never.Also as others have said, underground bunkers aren't as great as they seem in theory because they strike the entrances and suddenly they're a tomb. They have to be very deep to avoid bunker busters and therefore if the entrance is destroyed they can't get out and it's obviously hard to try dig it up again because any ground moving equipment will be bombed
>>531216993
It's 3x the size of Ukraine with mountains and the Americans don't have the luxury of invading via friendly land territory, so an invasion is off the table. They also can't do saturation bombing because b52s would be too vulnerable. The war is basically a tit for tat precision strike war, with limited tonnage of explosives. Both sides have the potential to do immense economic damage to the world but can't deliver decisive military defeat on eachother. America is at a greater disadvantage in this kind of war. As the aggressor, the mounting economic damage will be blamed on them and as the protector of the global economy the urge to withdraw will grow as time goes by. Iran, in a fight for it's very survival, is less concerned with duration of the conflict.Literally the only way America wins this is by a surprise nuclear attack, which is obviously not going to happen.
>>531216144>>5312169932pbtid demoralization shitter alert
>>531217873Ussa isa failed state are fucking retarded go home jidf hasbara you are using sisces false teeminology.you are dumb nigger heretic jew bot
>>531216144there’s no such thing as “winning” against the jewish establishment. no matter what you do they will always have more wealth, power, and bombs.
>>531219704Literally any MANPAD
>>5312238271812, homo
>>531219500115 million and fake shit the ussa terrorstosaa di 911 masonic guild sht nasa raeto west big lies org
>>531216144Iran is definitely punching above its weight
>>531220476Yes they do china does you are stupid he earth is not a globe it is flat starionary and inside a good container
>>531217640Iran is seemingly not getting its infrastructure and industries fucked. They seem to be successfully deterring the US and Israel from bombing the bulk of its civilian economic structures. The few attacks on Iranian economic structures there have been met with a strong Iranian response which led the attacks to stop.As for Iran's military industry, much of it is underground.
>>531224229Tss gat Iran admits too it's more than that
>>531224513*laughs in pentagon black budget*
THEY'RE NOT WINNING THEY JUST CANT LOSE
Iran is winning like Ukraine. Their country is a hollowed out husk, but it still exists.Take that how you will.
>>531216144They are no losing
>>531216144iran is not going to sail an army to new york and occupy NYC, if that's what you mean by "winning"but the US is failing to achieve any of its stated objectives while Iran is consistently achieving theirs. their government is stable, they continue to launch drone and missile attacks at US outposts and US vassal states, the strait is still fully controlled by them, western governments are starting to panic about oil prices. the situation is much closer to western economic collapse than it is to regime change in iran
>>531216144I can tell just by the emotional state of Westerners that America lost. Usually there is gloating and dehumanization in spades but this time there is lots of crow being eaten. The shill package is dated and weak and the same jews trying to sell me salt bath scrub in the mall are now trying to sell me on the war that has rubbed salt in their wounds and eyes. More than every a huge number of people know this war and all the pain they will suffer for it is for the Epstein class and welfare jews eating their lunch day after day. The Europeans can only look on in horror at what mutant failed Reich we have turned into while they conspire to keep fighting brother wars. They are winning by making sure the American empire dies here.
>>531224046We can always just say no to jewish wars. 98% of countries already have
