Mutts can't do anything against them.
>>531233871I dont get how these are even a problem.Like in Ukraine it makes sense, there are buildings, hills, trees and stuff and all of this makes it harder to detect and counter these drones.but in a desert like in dubai and such? how hard can it be to have some guys shoot them out of the air?
Ukraine was literally a textbook example on how war has changed from who can waste the most money to who can extract the most value, a simple drone outfitted with warheads can be mass produced anywhere for cheap and be virtually undetected as it targets radars and anti-air defenses for traditional rocket-powered warheads.Trump and his sycophants didn’t factor this in before starting this war, likely because he was high on his ego from how easy it was to kidnap Maduro, and rattled Denmark enough to the point they shipped enough explosives to destroy any runway in Greenland in case America does invade, so he and Hitleryahu thought this decapitation operation would be done overnight and not explode into the volatile conundrum we’re experiencing now.
>>531234175Even Ukrainian soldiers couldn’t shoot them down with traditional weapons, hence why they developed automated turrets to detect and recognize drones. These drones are too slow moving for radars to detect, and Iran specifically targeted our radars (and Pissrael’s) to massively reduce our missile detection time from half an hour down to a single minute.
>>531234175They fly low evading radar and don't leave a heat signature via propeller propulsion. There's no counter to these drones. It's genius. Remember Americas predator reaper drones? That carry hellfire missiles and have to fly over their target? Those can be radar jammed or shot down. These can fly 1400 miles combining the drone and the missile in one. And the entire thing it costs less than a hellfire missile.
>>531233871can you?
>>531233871What would the next version be like bros? How would you improvise on this and make it more lethal?
>>531234653>Even Ukrainian soldiers couldn’t shoot them down with traditional weaponsthey can and do but whats difficult is getting them lined up in the sights because there is buildings and trees and shit in the way.>>531234867you dont need radar to detect them, all you need is a bunch of dudes with functioning ears.
>>531235003the new versions have a jet engine
>>531234175The problem is that the guys on the ground need dedicated AA guns to shoot at the drones and AA has a limited range so you need a lot of them to provide ample coverage. SAM systems are good too but some of the systems have very expensive missiles and when the drone is relatively slow, there's a chance that they can actually miss. Which has happened in the Ukraine when Patriot missiles failed to hit the Geran drones because their seeker heads had trouble picking up the drones from the background clutter due to the drone being so slow in comparison to cruise missiles and planes.
Much more effective than most people expected. The nigger mutts said the US could take down any and all drones then these cheap trash gas powered drones keep popping targets
>>531235176Well then they aren't trash are they?
>>531235003Newer versions are faster, quieter, and can carry bigger warheads. What’s lethal now will be even more lethal in the future.
>>531234440>Ukraine was literally a textbook example on how war has changednoooo you dont get it, russian military ran out of missiles, gas and is shit, it would never happen to nr1 military in the world like mutts
>>531233871After all this is over, Iran Air should build passenger jets based on this design for the lulz.
>>531233871>Mutts can't do anything against them.a US naval destroyer from 1944 can shoot one of those down from around 18km away with a component that cost 18 dollars by 1945
>>531235150the solution is as simple as a long stick mounted on a drone and flown into the prop.also you can shoot them down with a machine gun.
>>531235062That would increase cost and ruin the purpose. This drone is a hit because of how low the investment it takes to make one of these.
>>531235237Compared to US drone capabilities the Iran drones are toys yet they are way more effective than the US would have ever admitted prior to the war. More of a commentary on the US being unprepared
>>531235003Size. Bigger warhead. But why? Better to keep them small because they can be loaded on a truck bed launched via rail. They can be launched en mass via swarms. A larger drone is a bigger target. A larger drone would be called an ICMB. The Iranians already have those for larger targets. >>531235033Shoot them down using what? THAAD? A THAAD missile costs a million dollars to take down a 50k drone. The problem is America doesn't have an anti air structure setup in the middle east to combat these. Remember when Iran attacked at oil refinery using these drones en mass? That was their proof of concept and test. It worked, they overwhelmed air defenses and got thru blowing up the refinery. They are doing that over all the middle east now blowing stuff up and America can't stop them because they are so erradic and cheap to build. There's no centralized or predictable outcome where these are being launched. They are mobile drones and can launched anywhere, anytime.
>>531235250I think they'll improvise on the design a more stealthier build, lighter weight more aerodynamic with everything else you've mentioned.
Cheap drone interceptors!Cheap drone interceptors!>>531234867Oh hi John, how are you today?Fairly priced drone interceptors!Fairly priced drone interceptors!
>>531235666please save us, satanI hereby recognize donbas and crimea as ukraine clay
>>531235414Militaries never ever learn from other people's mistakes. In fact the more you pay them the worse they get.
>>531235387>>531235666Hi SatanYou would need to invent an anti drone seeking drone. These drones from Iran have changed the meta game. God is winning and god is good praise Allah.
>>531235387>the solution is as simple as a long stick mounted on a drone and flown into the prop.That's true but the problem is that Shaheds/Gerans fly at a decent speed so any drone needs to be relatively fast to catch up to the Shahed/Geran. Again, a fairly short window of opportunity for an intercept.>also you can shoot them down with a machine gun.Not when they are flying several hunderd meters up in the sky. There's a good reason why AA guns are at the very least chambered in .50/12.7mm. >>531235268TU Delft and others have designed flying wing planes that are similar in the delta/flying wing design of the Shahed/Geran.
>>531235003One thing you could do is make them smarter and more autonomous. Build in enough understanding to independently loiter and fuck up infrastructure or important looking military personnel.
>>531235003i'd have them all pre-programmed to attack india
>>531234175The US copied these. Renamed it the Lucas
>>531233871Literally Iran has done nothing, stop falling for the goyslop from globo homo china
>>531235950>Literally Iran has done nothingUS goaded Iran into doing the retard thing, now US can use force within the rules to unretard Iran
>>531235666Fuck off with your fake and gay meme interceptor drones. They are useless against turbine Geran 3s and 4s that travel at 600kph (which is all they.make now)>Ukraine anal interceptor270kph (straight down speed)>Zelensky has cards Trump must beg!His new drones are made in the UK, to pretend a NATO country needs ukraines permission to sell drones to a NATO member is retarded and insulting
>>531235409>That would increase costonly slightly>and ruin the purpose. the jet powered versions are faster and more difficult to intercept.
>>531235417>Shoot them down using what?rifles, machine guns, drones etc.
>>531235950there’s a radar dome about a five minute drive from my house that has been reduced to a smoldering wreckage by a humble dronefuck iran, but also fuck pissrael
>>531236050Try impossibleIts like hitting a bullet in flight with an arrow
>>531235666Still dont want your shithole products... you can even beat drunk russians with shovels man..
>>531233871False. We are using Israel as cannon fodder.
>Iran "invents" a shittier version of the V1 Buzzbomb>Morons with absolutely zero military knowledge claim them as the greatest war creation since the spearThey're barely more than a nuisance compared to real weapons. But inbred mudslimes need all the cope they can get right now.
>>531233871Jews and other nations are building and developing high energy lasers to shot them down for 10 bucks/shot, obviously effective laser range is nowhere near as an interceptor missile's so it's only useful to defend certain critical targets and perhaps population centers.
>>531235803>You would need to invent an anti drone seeking drone.already exists but you really dont need anything fancy to shoot the shaheds down.>>531235885>but the problem is that Shaheds/Gerans fly at a decent speed so any drone needs to be relatively fast to catch up to the Shahed/Geran.even amateurs can build drones that easily reach 600km/h which is much faster than a shahed/geran.>>531235937they couldnt come up with a shittier name?
>>531235414America went full stop overboard development into the highest tech equipment imaginable. It doesn't mean it's better or more effective. It just means its more advanced. Like a modern day computer vs an old style calculator. Do you really need a sleek high speed machine do the same calculations? A bomb is a bomb at the end of the day.>>531235801People need to look at the soviet tactics from WW2 to understand a bomb is a bomb. Shooting bombs en mass is superior to big expensive bombs. Also if these bombs are cheap to make and are just essentially a tube with some propellent with a simple fused warhead on it. Look at the US militaries hellfire missile. It has like gyros and cameras and computers in it. It's retarded.
>>531235763We are not satan, but yes, we did sold our souls to it.But don't worry, we're going to scam him in the end, as usual. This time surely it will work out fine.
>>531233871>*fires $10 million worth of missiles to take out your $1k drone*heh, I can do this all day
>>531236182>they couldnt come up with a shittier name?imagine the liberal outrage if it had been named the jihadi eraser or the martyrdom machine
>>531236050I meant the purpose to make drones at a lower cost, but yeah it can't be intercepted it would hit out of nowhere.
>>531236264americans used to give their stuff cool names.and nowadays its cringe
>>531236237It was about your digits Russian bro, your previous post had triple six
>>531236237Satan's actually a pretty chill dude if you just let him have his rants about Yahweh.
>>531236285>I meant the purpose to make drones at a lower costyou can still use the prop powered drones too. the fast jet versions are for destroying radars and air defenses.once overhelmed you can send in the shitty ones.ideally you mix the drone wave with all types of drones so they attack from all sides, different speeds and different altitudes
>>531236182Low-cost Uncrewed Combat Attack System (LUCAS)it’s the most american name designation there is
>>531233871nothing u say??
How is it we've bombed the shit out of all their leaders and military, but they're still fighting? How? I'm starting to believe the US is losing just like Vietnam. This should've been over after the first week.
>>531236264What about Epstein Fury?That was prety cool, right? Right?
>>531236413should have come up with something that sounds cooler.Lucas sounds like some gay dude.
>>531236408It adds a lot more context now, good strategy.
>>531236081Yes but America doesn't have a blanket of cheap counter measures covering the middle east. These drones can fly anywhere uncontested and plan their attacks to avoid concentrated zones that America is defending. They can also take out America's radars(which they are doing) and cause chaos by blowing everything up using ICBMS mixed with drones and other various means methods. >>531236443USA can use intelligence and precision strikes to take out key targets but what does that do to a country of over 80m? Iran is a regional power with allies in Iraq and Yemen. Also Iran has help from China and Russia in intelligence and equipment. America can't even invade Iran like Vietnam. The USA has bases surrounding Iran but that's it and they are getting blown up. America is going to pull out and Trump is going to claim NATO abandoned the USA and cry foul.
>>531236408Plus Russia mixes in cheap dummy drones. Basically some fiberglass and a motorcycle engine
>>531236508How about Roadrunner?
>>531236443Iran is not like Iraq, they’ve prepared for this exact scenario since their war with Iraq. They know they’ll never surpass America or Pissrael technologically, so they instead set up contingencies to drag down the world with them, decentralized their chain of command, and invested into low-cost mass produced weaponry to compliment their wide array of missiles.America is still stuck in the same dick measuring contest it had with the Soviet Union to this day, except there’s really no one else to compete against.
>>531236443Their entire command structure is very decentralized and have very deep lines of succession. Kill one commander and the next 4 are already ready to replace him and each other. To make the system topple over you need to kill every officer, even down to sergeant/corporal level.
>>531233871
>>531236673I'll see your Roadrunner and raise you a rotten Beaver
>>531234927Here is my tax paying dollars killing serbs. Not even by proxy either, literally americans using american hardware to kill them.
>>531236671bunch of dudes with techies could probably defend it
>>531233871If their drones are so good and cheap why don't we replicate them? Some below third world country is out developing us?
>>531236787A Beaver can't touch a Ghost.
>>531236723Also don't care about dying. They are sacrificing themselves to God. It won't be like if Trump was assassinated and America would divulge into chaos. The USA itself was experiencing coups and stolen elections before Trump came into power. Even Trump himself survived assassination attempts. Iran is more united than the USA is and it's ironic because Trump assassinated the Iranian regime trying to regime change the country LMAO.
>>531233871This sandnigger junk has no shot in any first world country.Don’t forget the margin of how primal third worlder war tech is.
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Ai gun meets Ai drone. No shit? Why was Ai gun banned so Ai drone blows you up? Explain. Of course the problem is the drone's splash damage, it's full explosives anyway. Meanwhile Ai gun starts shooting the birds, without any tagging distinguishing foe from bird, because there is any tagging, there's still a breach by electronic warfare. In any case Ai gun didn't catch up alongside, because they voted for Ai drones instead. It has seen even more costly laser defenses instead of the classic pillbox running on today's anti collision EVsDrone flies under radar. It wouldn't have been a problem for a pillbox.
>>531234440Aren't the ukies using fibre optic FPV drones with small bombs attached? OP picture is basically a remote control missle
>>531236946Are they?
>>531233871(you)mogged
>>531234440>shipped enough explosives to destroy any runway in GreenlandNever heard this but it sounds kind of retarded because they wouldn't be able to supply themselves by the air either. If they were a serious country they would have just marched the yanks out of their bases and sent them home at the first hint of military action against them.
>>531236946These are defensive drones. They would suck at attacking high value targets being taken out of S300 systems lol. The reason why they work for Iran is because America is a the aggressor in the region and Iran has geography to their advantage like deserts and mountains and large areas and places the USA can't establish a bridgehead. Like imagine D day right? D day in Iran. Lmao. It won't work. >>531236930Well clearly Americas dudes in the various bases America has in the middle east can't win. It's like when Carcass from Roman times invaded Parthia and couldn't take it over and was killed. So Rome had to limp it's way back home despite having this massive war machine that is useless against unconventional war.
>>531236047> turbine Geran 3s and 4s that travel at 600kph They are a christmas tree of any manpad scope.>>531236113Too bad you didn't have mobile passive radar systems. Like these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolchuga_passive_sensor#ExportsCan see "stealth" bullshit tech (just so that you can laugh at Americans, not useful against Iran), can change position often, not detectable during operation (passive).
>>531236443>Wtf the burgers got 9/11 but they are invading us now? Why? You would think Amerifats have enough braincells to rub together so that they could remember what happened the last time they were attacked themselves.
>>531236673>>531237009>>531237142This nerd is a zogbot sellout. The jews gave him billions of dollars to make his concepts into a reality.
>>531237511Too bad you faggots are out of missiles then. Also bullshit. Radar doesnt even detect low flying shit.Plus your radar systems have been blown to shit.Your best chance right now is to.send all your whores north and east and try to give the.Russian troops herpes
>>531237381It does work. Air superiority. Once landfall, it's the same offense. Bombing it out. It fires, it gets levelled. Pamphlet that area out. Now you have a landing backed by ship and jet.In the case of Iran are numbers hitting it from a bunch of sides. Establishing the same zones. Bombing out any resistance to an advanced. It takes longer Otherwise without pissing off China take their oil fields out. It would be over much much quicker.These drones are annoying but not impossible had solutions advanced alongside. They're fucking crude. Low tech. Stupid. A.i guns should've meet tge obvious A.I drone.Couldn't you use shielding by drones? Synced directly into return fire. As in I float an A.I grid up, like a security censor, it's crude compared to fibre netting and other advanced grkds, if it gets breached by any Flak any guns have exact targeting. Outside of smart based a.i identification systems and targeting? Not there yet. Currently there's more human error.Who cares. Except not getting it done is much worse. You bungled it. Globally. What happens next becomes a lot of higher prices unrest and what kind of causality occurs. You didn't defeat much. Not on the ground. They're sooner empowered again with all the same lunatics.
>>531237381>Well clearly Americas dudes in the various bases America has in the middle east can't win.to me it looks like they didnt really inform anyone in these US bases or the GCC countries.the humvees with machine guns/miniguns/turrets etc. should have already formed perimeters around the base hours before the attack but nobody defended them. they just shot patriot missiles at these cheap drones last second and missed most of them.
>>531238666America can't establish a bridgehead in Iran. The USA doesn't have any presence in the region. What's the USA going to do when Iran already has the V2? It's not like when America setup in Britain then used a massive force to land in France then fight their way to Tehran. America can't wage this war or win this war. America has just cucked as well removing sanctions on Iran's oil for 30 days. And also Trump has passed the blame onto NATO allies for the failure to regime change Iran. It's over.
>>531237803Cope & seethe. 4000 jobs in Ohio.
>>531233871The Greg Maddux of drones
>>531238932>the humvees with machine guns/miniguns/turrets etc. should have already formed perimeters around the base hours before the attack but nobody defended them. they just shot patriot missiles at these cheap drones last second and missed most of them.Imagine thinking the US military is this smart and cohesive war machine instead of just this welfare ticket for useless mutts. 99% of the military wouldn't even think to do what you just said when it happened. They just fired millions of dollars worth of expensive missiles hoping it would all work out leaving the region vulnerable to ICBMs. >>531239133Lol this guys body language says it all.
>>531239133>>531237142>>531237009>>531236673This guy has the right ideas but it's worth noting that he doesn't have a fraction of the pull of the big contractors and likely won't get their level of funding until after the Iran war proves to the brass that it's actually not WWII anymore (SHOCKING TRUTH) and all those same brass come running to him in desperation.
>>531238932The problem with sitting in your humvees trying to shoot these things down is that you might get hurt. Better to just shoot a missile at it. Most of our forces are blacks/browns who are in it for the welfare check.
>>531239358It's a system problem, not undertrained personnel.Cold war weapon systems expect a huge fucking rocket flying at them. And they are well equipped to take it on. But they are not designed to take on 5-10-20 targets at the same time.Even the BRRRRRRRP >>531236768 is not capable of doing that. It would shoot targets one by one, waste a lot of bullets on each and won't take em all out in time.Not that it cannot. The software is not fucking doing it.By the way, jets will not take them on with their cannons, because shrapnell from downed drones is very dangerous, you're flying right into a cloud of hard stuff and it ends up in the engine.
>>531239816America lost this war before it even began. Im going to say i never expected this to happen. But what i learned is hubris caused this war. After Trump captured Maduro and regime changed Venezuela he was high on that and decided to attack Iran. It's hubris. Trump wanted to ride that high and also guess what, nobody is talking about the Epstein files anymore that Trump is implicated. He's successfully distracted the public from internal affairs at home using a war. We are going to have to wait until mid terms to see what happens next.
>>531240112I would say the problem is both. America was not prepared for this war. And Trump was complaining Iran was attacking the gulf states which he claimed was unfair. He expected all attacks to go to Israel and then NATO would join in to regime change Iran. The script didn't play out(thank God) in the way the neo cons imagined it would.
>>531238956Iran has a v2. Germany got defeated. London survived the v2? Your point?Bungle the retreat. You might as well have fought for greater costs. We went to war so we'd pay more, but at least oil is exploding. Delightful to the public under national guard.What changed on the ground. I dunno, but China's repairing it. Hell they might as well put a base. Their security. The straight is full and it isn't full of Americans, you went home, after causing prices to rise, and they empowered Islam the last time, at least to trade in yuan. I am sure your sanctions will work. You can bomb it some more if they don't Or are you making landfall? The solution is the same in every war. Air superiority, numbers, or range. It's not simply drones.
Bomb the factories. Regional conflicts wont last much longer - once it becomes necessary in-land factories will be targeted. >The undermensch can't do anything against the V2!
>>531240752The USA is already retreating and claiming victory. There was no unconditional surrender in iran and they still have V2s. That's my point. America failed its objective to regime change Iran. Iran is going to lob missiles at whoever it wants now. Trump just claimed iran has been neutered after he destroyed everything which is false. Iran can rebuild what is destroyed. And they can and will. Iran is going to still build that nuke.
>>531240797This is about as smart as when Russians threatened to destroy a natural gas storage in Ukraine.Context: it's a hole in the ground, you can pump the gas in or out. If it gets "sealed" by explosions, you just drill another hole...Same with your utterly stupid idea with trying to bomb something in Iran and expect it to stop functioning. There are only a few options, it's literally something they have been working on for decades and decades. They have the unique bunker tech that is not penetrable, the tunnels are absurdly extensive.This is some GLA stuff. You cannot get them this way.
>>531241118You're a Russian? It figured you didn't read much.America hasn't gone anywhere. Last time I checked. In fact the post hasn't said anything except more bombing. It stated it could be winding it down, to release some oil. It said nothing about stopping bombardment. In any case until it actually declares cessation, it's speculative to an occurrence.Where I am emphatically against half assed bunglery. It looks stupid and sounds ridiculous
>>531241630You don't understand the difference between propaganda and reality. The USA already lost. The USA lost before the war even begun.
>>531236427Lol whatever that shit is, it looks 1500x more expensive than the flying Dorito.
>>531236443You've been killing the moderates clerics and handing more power to the hardline IRGC guys who want to kill zogbots more than anything.Good job.
>>531233871American anglos are not mutts fag
>>531242175That's not quite right. USA got used by Israel for free. It's not like they were going to win anything in the first place.Participate in retarded operations, get retarded medels I guess. It might be the only place where it would say something about winning. Otherwise it would be even more lame.
>>531242175You're spewing Russian propaganda? America lost? What has it lost and why did it do? For propaganda. What's the next president do? Seriously
>>531236768>BRRRRRTT-ACCCCCCCKKK!
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