scam, piece or shit or good?
>inb4 1pbtid
>>531243947scam but also good
its a shitty budget F-22 thats somehow more expensive
>>531243947Scam>Can't run in rainy weather with thunder storms>Slow as shit, the f16 is literally faster>Radar suite is expensive as shit and requires parts whose manufacturing is outsourced to fucking China and Taiwan
>>531243947useless overpriced piece of shit
>>531243947Iranian missile bait
i might also add that iran managed to hit 2 of them yesterday, but they apparently were still able to land and pilots are stable (sauce = centcom)
>>531243947Good if you actually take whatever systems US delivered with it out of it except for the engine and use your own better systems like what Israel did.
Great jet but not invisible or invulnerable. The aura around stealth aircraft is silly
>>531243947It’s a good aircraft and has already proven itself, if a single hit detracted from that then anything Russian or Chinese is garbage too
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>>531243947overpriced piece of shit
>>531244435best there ever was nigga
>>531244435same can be said for the S-400, S-500, Ka-52 ect that have all suffered much worse losses
>>531244391>Russian or ChineseWhat does Australia make?
>>531243947Shitty russian design that NATO tried to pass off as it's new wundewaffe that turned out to be a hanger queen
>>531244391>It’s a good aircraft and has already proven itselfwhen?
>>531244516Australia has more 5th generation aircraft than Russia
>>531244543the fact it assassinated Iran's leadership without detection
>>53124394735 years to deliver. it's a piece of fcuking shitmultiple pilots have complain about it's performance and the last thing you want is a Woman piloting it. Fucking hell
>>531243947Flying missile battery. Cant defend itself for shit if engaged at visual range but its BVR countermeasures are comparable to the F22. Its an overpriced airborne artillery piece that tries to do too many things and thus falls short of more specialized airframe.If you retro'd the 18s airframe with stealth and better weight support itd be a better multirole than the 35 while also being able to defend itself in a dogfight.
>>531244543I’d say the thousands of sorties on Iran lol
>>531244503You tend to suffer losses when you actually engage an opponent rather than exclusively relying on performative standoff launches.
>>531244553>5th generation aircraftDesigned, engineered and produced in Australia?
>>531244529>russian designhow is it a russian design? care to elaborate? i dont know that much about warplanes (hence the thread). my understanding was that it was a us design mostly, with lots of globohomo countries making parts of it here and there, and then assembled in america
>>531244543Holy crap, I had that toy.
>>531244595Oh one was detected it was struck by Iranian ground fire and had to emergency land. Then again I don't know if it really did every time one of planes gets hit by Iran it " emergency lands " it never goes down. I kind of call bullshit on that one. But yea one of our F-35s was hit.
>>531243947It is a good scam that is a piece of shit in combat.
>>531244678Yeltsin sold the seppos Yak-141 which they turned into F35.
>>531243947Shitbox jack of all trades, master of none stealth multi-role. Should have been 4 different fucking planes. The initial idea for the Joint Strike Fighter program was to just come up with one airframe to replace the F16, A-10, FA18, Harrier, Prowler, Tornado, and other planes. That right there poses the biggest fucking problem. It's too small an airframe that needs to make space for all these different fucking jobs.
>>531244613>dogfights existing in 2026kek check this retard >>531244637F-35s have been dropping JDAMs all over Tehran meanwhile Russia lost one of their only S-500 radars to some shitty drone >>531244678It’s closer to the F-105 thunderchief than anything Russian
>>531244679didn't we all?>>531244713>one of our F-35stwo of them apparently
>>531244679My dad used to drive it to work
>>531244825>Thunderchief Look at this retard lol.
>>531243947They've never really been tested before. All other uses were on sandpeople with no real AA capabilities or aircrafts themselves. Now it's all just getting exposed. KWAB
>>531244886it has the thud intakes
>>531243947>most Belial ally sent spies to see if their F-35s were software or hardware gimpedNot switched up sortie schedules, not high and fast, outer mounted munitions increasing signature-- and dumb luck. Any of it could be in play.
>>531243947They are trying to make UFOs without it being UFOs. Even though the very principles of a UFO is to use a propulsion system that completely disregards any for of jet propulsion.
>>531244781thanks. thats interesting. braveAI says :>The F-35B is not a direct copy of the Yak-141, but it was significantly inspired by it, particularly in its vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) propulsion systemI'll read more on that
>>531244893>single hit with a manpad that it shrugged off after thousands of sorties >heckin exposed retarded
>>531243947It seems quite good.>Thousands of sorties flown in the Iran war so far>One (1) has been hit>landed anyway, pilot survivedI'm thinking its quite good. People point out that its top speed is slower than the F-16, but the aircraft almost never operate at top speed. When dogfighting especially they are generally under mach 1. There is no need for a high top speed. There isn't even really much of an advantage to it other than catching a fleeing opponent.
>>531244921"I'm a huge retard that thinks F35 is overflying Tehran."
>>531244851>two of them apparentlyOh. And I guess a few F-15s got hit. But to my knowledge you know what hasn't been hit? Which we sent tons of over there? The F-18 super hornet. Those seem to be doing great and honestly that's probably the best fighter craft the USA has ever built.
>>531244984considering the videos of it yeah, “muh standoff munitions” is just a giga third world cope when there’s been videos where JDAMs are clearly visible
>>531244970>He believes the official narrativeYeah and I bench 5 plates faggot
>>531244851Source on two? I've only seen credible news showing one hit so far, and it was able to continue flying and land at an allied base anyways.
Overpriced garbage that is used for task an f-16 can do. its the classic Sherman vs tiger dilemma lockheed is just scamming the government
>>531244968Holy shit. You just humiliated this guy >>531244391
>>531244968Complete horse cock, F-35 systems design elements trace back to experimental American designs from the 60s.
>>531245165>A shitty AI said something that isn't even trueYeah he's totally blown the fuck out bro.
Overpriced piece of nigger/kike junk, just like everything made in muttmerica
>>531245165considering the swivel nozzle of the yak-141 was not novel, noare you going to comment on the destruction of the S-500 radar?
>>531245384>what about this other thing? THAAD status?
F22 was the last fighter jet designed by white engineersThe f35 of course benefits from technology gains, but it would lose to the older and more expensive f22, and it will definitely lose to newer and cheaper ai powered drone swarms
>>531245182>>531245229hey i literally said this was an AI response, and I aldo dont claim to know much about this topic (hence the thread), ad i already said here>>531244678>>531245122only iranian source, thats why i said apparently. we only know for sure of one (confirmed by iran and america). they claim they hit the other over bandarabbas, and that it landed in the uae
>>531244282Israel seems to rip out the electronics of all their us made stuff like tanks and airplanes, are the us systems that shitty?
>>531245469I’m assured by multipolarists that Russian air defence is invincible, why in that case has every example of the S-500 radar ever built been destroyed?
>>531245514Lockheed Martin bought some research data about the yak-141, but nothing from it actually ended up in the F-35 in any place
>>531244278> but they apparently were still able to land and pilots are stableyou saw it in the video: it's inffared lock on a clear night sky with relatively low punch infrared lock missileswhen you fly at a ceiling high enough, without turban niggers constantly combing the visual or near visual spectrum, it doesn't really scale to shooting them downbut oh how I wish it would. I hope ZOG feels the pain and Israel is genocided.
>>531245182False faggot. They reverse engineered a Yak that they got in a technology transfer after the Cold War. This is fucking documented retard faggot. Lurk moar
>>531245619thx
hybrid with no clear role that was made just because the MIC needed more money to sustain its scaleit's not a piece of shit but it is bloated to all hell, jack of alll trades master of none as you'd say
>>531244222>Can't run in rainy weather with thunder stormsYes, it can. That hasen't been true for a decade.>Slow as shit, the f16 is literally fasterThe F-16 is only faster when completely clean (no drop tanks or missiles and bombs loaded on it). Fighters don't go to war completely clean. The F-16 is limited to mach 1.3 in full afterburner because of the drag from the drop tanks and munitions it needs to carry to actually be useful in a war. Even then, it would take a long time - even in full AB - to hit mach 1.3, and use a shitton of fuel because of the increased drag due to external carry. The F-35 can do mach 1.6 fully loaded for combat, and with the F135 being a monster, is able to accelerate to mach 1.6 faster than an F-16 can accelerate to mach 1.9 clean.>Radar suite is expensive as shit and requires parts whose manufacturing is outsourced to fucking China and TaiwanNone of the materials in the APG-81 rely on China or Taiwan...>>531244278>i might also add that iran managed to hit 2 of them yesterdayNo they didn't.>>531244713>Oh one was detected it was struck by Iranian ground fire and had to emergency land.Proof?
>>531244781No they didn't you fucking retard. The Soviets copied the 3 Bearing Swivel Module (3BSM) from the US, and twin single turbine front lift jet design from the Convair Model 200A. The Yak-141 is an almost 1:1 copy of the 1973 Convair Model 200A proposal for the Navy's Sea Control Ship(SCS) program. P&W, and GE designed the Three Bearing Swivel Module(3BSM) that the Convair Model 2000A was to use back in the mid 1960s. The same P&W who supplied it for the F-35s F135 engine. Lockheed Martin bought out Convair years ago, why would they need Russia for something they already own? The Yak-141 even copied the Convair Model 200A's dual front lift jets. The F-35 uses a lift fan system similar to the Ryan XV-5 Vertifan for front lift, and the P&W/GE 3BSM for the rear lift. Lockheed Martin only bought flight data from Yakovlev, as they already owned the 3BSM design that Yak copied off Convair/P&W almost 20 years after the Model 200A. Here is a picture of GE testing a 3BSM in 1967. Soviets are the original Chinks. All they could do was copy.
>>531245966based autist dropping truth nukes
>>531244222And thats a good thin, goy
>>531243947Solid but terribly overhyped. The US and others virtually never put it in a situation where it can be challenged that way they can maintain the hype and mystique.
>>531243947The fighter pilot seemed oblivious they were being targeted. I’m gonna chalk it up to a shit pilot.
>>531244968>but it was significantly inspired by it, particularly in its vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) propulsion systemNo it wasn't. The Yak-141 was a literal copy of the US Convair Model 200A from the early '70s (see: >>531245966). Both the Yak-141, and the Model 200A it copied used two single-stage gas turbines as the mechanism for front lift, and the US-designed and patented 3 Bearing Swivle Nozzle (3BSM) from the 1960s. Here's a picture of GE testing that 3BSM that the Yak-141 copied in 1967. The F-35b uses that 3BSM and a Lockheed Martin-designed driveshaft-driven lift fan as the mechanism for frontal lift. Stop getting your info from bullshit AI search engines like a brown mutant does. Why do all of you shit colored mutants treat "AI" like a God? Seriously, it's fucking weird, and something you all have in common.
It's like a Heavy Weight Champ who has never boxed and will never box, but will keep the title!
>>531246406>The fighter pilot seemed oblivious they were being targeted.Yeah, because it's an AI made video. EO-DAS would've detected the missile at launch, alerted the pilot to it, and would automatically start spamming flares. None of this was seen because the video isn't real.
It's good. A lot of people unfamiliar with air doctrine still think we're in the middle of Vietnam so when they see a plane that can't dogfight they instantly think that it's useless.
>>531243947Genuinely f-16 is betterActive countermeasures > stealth
>>531246828do you think the F-35 doesn’t have countermeasures or something?
>>531244232it outperforms every competitor
>>531243947Easily the biggest scam in military history. The US also shoehorned half of NATO into the scam.
>>531245529israel has it's own AI systems that are more advanced. a majority of all high tech R&D is done in israel for some reason.
>>531246828The F-35 has both, idiot, along with an electronic warfare ability on par with the E/A-18 Growler, a dedicated EW platform.
>>531244637the whole point of the f-35 is standoff launches
>>531245529>are the us systems that shitty?No, it's that the US doesn't trust them with our electronics, as they have a history of selling them to the CCP like a typical kike.
