I know posting a thread about religion will inevitably cause infighting, although for what it's worth, that isn't my goal. I don't have any animosity towards Christians or even Christianity for that matter, but I've personally grown disillusioned with it. I firmly believe there is a God, and I was a genuinely devout Catholic for several years, and I studied the theology of the religion extensively. However, I just can't in good faith attach myself to Christianity any longer due to it's Jewish origins and it's initially liberal influence on Roman society.However, even though I'm no longer a Christian, I'm definitely not an Atheist. If anyone non-Christians on this board can give me insight on native European religious beliefs, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Just bee urself but unironically
>>531483557BORINGGGGGGGG
>>531483477Most of the actual native European religions were long dead by Romes time. Steppe riders from the Caucasus invaded Europe around 2000 BC and brought in their own religion. Most pagan gods are some variation of that (Jupiter and Zeus being the most obvious ones).
>>531483477God doesn't exist
>>531483661I mean that these religions proceeded from the racial soul in the first place so you should in large part be able to intuitively [re-]construct such a spirituality through your own capacity for spiritual discernment
>>531483477>I know posting a thread about religion will inevitably cause infighting, although for what it's worth, that isn't my goal. I don't have any animosity towards Christians or even Christianity for that matter, but I've personally grown disillusioned with it. I firmly believe there is a God, and I was a genuinely devout Catholic for several years, and I studied the theology of the religion extensively. However, I just can't in good faith attach myself to Christianity any longer due to it's Jewish origins and it's initially liberal influence on Roman society.The long-term results of Christian "slave morality" was societies far more advanced than any in history and capable of conquering the world in the modern era.Slave morality allows for far more social cohesion and people having a stronger stake in society's success. It may hurt in the near-term, but in the end, who is the slave, if the slave-moral society ends up dominating the others?Also, Christianity's obsession with the concept of Truth, and finding it, was a big motivator for modern logic and science.
>>531483477Ok here's the deal.God exists.God has a son who is also God Jews fuck upSon of God says hey stop fucking up.They kill him.And you are here. It's honestly not that ridiculous. Yeah I know I skipped like 2000 years of shit but whatever
>>531484517>Also, Christianity's obsession with the concept of Truth, and finding it, was a big motivator for modern logic and science.This. Specifically Catholic scholasticism was basically the catalyst for European innovation in the sciences and humanities. I also believe Catholicism played a huge role in why Western European art is so beautiful. If you look at Eastern Orthodox civilization, you can't say the same. The Orthodox don't have a scholastic theology and believe everything should be left up to "mystery" and they believe all religious art should be icons and nothing else, not even statues. Hence why Western Europe outpaces Eastern Europe is practically every measurable way.
>>531484692If Jesus is the Son of God, you must accept the Torah, which says that God gave the Torah to the entire human race, but only the Jews were good enough to accept it and therefor for thousands of years the Jews were God's "Chosen People".
>>531483477Tom Rowsell's channel is very informativehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpJU79ot1kY
The Jesus mythology fucks up the relationships that are meaningful>he was the first god he did not return to the earth but left the planetThis destroys the spiritual relationship with the land base the spiritual is no longer all around you but an unattainable space God that you are subservient to.Animism is the only way to go forward.
>>531484932Yeah yeah that parts totally true until the Jesus part happened. Which is kind of the point.
>>531485345Read what you typed again because it didn't make sense.
>>531485439So you think it's okay for Europeans to accept the God of the Jews and to read a book about Jews which was meant only for Jews but it's okay because a Jewish guy came to Jews and was executed for claiming to be their Messiah? That's also not to mention Jesus called a non-Jewish woman a "dog" in Matthew 15. It's not like the Jews killed Jesus on account of him being pro-Goy.>Matthew 15:>21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”>23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”>24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”>25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.>26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”>27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”>28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
>>531485322Checked. Thank you anon.
>>531483557ThisFpbp all other advice is fake and gayAlso it’s nice to know there are still oldfags here
>>531483477Whites deeply need a new ethnocentric faith and practice. The rightful faith of the white man is Theus.
>>531485744I'm not going to tell you what to think. Thats a YOU issue. What I can tell you is I believe miracles happen. I believe indeed they happen more than most people think. If kikes are bad why would I be surprised that God came downstairs to bitch slap them? To me, the idea of Jesus makes a lot of sense. Honestly other things like Joan of Arc also make sense. I don't think God hit the pause button for 2000 years.
>>531486155>Honestly other things like Joan of Arc also make sense.What do you mean by this?
>>531483477There is no much thing to tell, all we know about european native religion was write dawn or preserved by christians, so the sources itself are dubious at best... besides, neopaganism is very distance from ancient paganism on the exception of polytheism, all of this is literally a puzzle...
>>531486136You are a gorilla nigger>God is a bunch of faggots that leave near meFucking retarded, gay, and not regular gay, but giga gay, turbofaggot shit
>>531483477>DEUS VULT
>>531483477We don't need religion anymore. We can get all the things religion used to provide (philosophy, ethics, spiritual practices) from other sources that don't shove retarded bronze age dogma down our throats.
>>531486274I feel like God can speak to and through people and I feel like it's happened many times. I mean obviously it happened in the Bible but I think it happened in more modern places too. That's all I'm saying.
>>531483477>give me insight on native European religious beliefs,faggot
>>531484517>>531484810>modern logic and scienceindeedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution#Ancient,_medieval_and_Renaissance_backgroundeven the Islamic golden age have christian roots... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_influences_on_the_Islamic_world#Role_of_Christianity_in_science_in_the_medieval_Islamic_worldand the renaissance of the XII, precursor of the scientific method and revolution even morehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_of_the_12th_century#Science
>>531486366>We can get all the things religion used to provide (philosophy, ethics, spiritual practices) from other sources that don't shove retarded bronze age dogma down our throats.There is no epistemic foundation for any of the things you listed without religion btw>>531486410I agree. If there is a God (and I believe there is), I don't see any reason he couldn't speak through His creation.
>>531486274She was an avatar of Athena
>>531486422Altrough i recommend more books, they are much more detailed on thisPeter Brown, The Rise of Western Christendom: Triumph and Diversity, A.D. 200-1000 (Wiley-Blackwell: 1995, 2013) – Note the detailed “Preface to the Tenth Anniversary Revised Edition” (2013), particularly Brown’s response to Ward-Perkins (pp. xxx-xxxii)Stephen C. McCluskey, Astronomies and Cultures in Early Medieval Europe (Cambridge, 1998)Seb Falk, The Light Ages: The Surprising Story of Medieval Science (Norton: 2020)Joseph and Frances Gies, Cathedral, Forge and Waterwheel: Technology and Invention in the Middle Ages (Harper, 1994)Jean Gimpel, The Medieval Machine: The Industrial Revolution of the Middle Ages (Barnes and Noble: 1976)Edward Grant, The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages: Their Religious, Institutional and Intellectual Contexts (Cambridge: 1996)James Hannam, God’s Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science (Icon: 2009)Peter Heather, The Fall of the Roman Empire: A New History, (Pan: 2006)Bryan Ward-Perkins, The Fall of Rome and the End of Civilization (Oxford: 2005)
> in good faith attach myself to Christianity any longer due to it's Jewish origins and it's initially liberal influence on Roman society.Dumb. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s the reality of our existence. It’s also not jewish in any contemporary sense when it’s been the beliefs of your ancestors for thousands of years while modern jews explicitly reject Christ.Zeus, etc are not real, but Christ is and was. Look into the mysteries of the Shroud of Turin.
>>531486499You don't need an epistemic foundation to start meditating, bro
>>531485744This dipshit abandoned his religion because he doesn't agree with God's actions. Really contemplate the hubris of that for a second. It's astounding. So you're basically admitting that you'll only accept a God if YOU agree with what he does. It might be time to head over to reddit buddy
>>531486332>>531486136Theus is a practice of Positive White Identity that includes a spiritual component for those who want one.Secular Theus is accessible to white-positive whites of other faiths.
>>531486537Jesus said he only came for the Israelites and called non-Jews dogs
>>531486575cringe
>>531486559>he doesn't agree with God's actionsmore like he recognized the jew god YHWH is not his god
>>531486559I suppose I can see your point. But in regard to that passage specifically, I think it's giving an insight into the fact that Jesus was just like any other ethnocentric, racist Jew of his time. If Jesus was God and was God in the Christian sense (where all men are created in the image of God, God loves everyone, etc.) why would he agree with a woman who claims she's a "dog" due to her non-Jewish ancestry? There were plenty of Jesus-like Jewish figures before and after his time who claimed to be the Messiah. Given Jesus's endorsement of Jewish racial supremacy in that passage, it's likely Jesus was simply another false Jewish Messiah.
>>531486537>Look into the mysteries of the Shroud of Turin.
>>531484810>and they believe all religious art should be icons and nothing else, not even statues.The symbol of Moscow is a Christian saint piercing a serpent with a cross, there’s a huge statue in the Red Square.
>>531486575>white-positivewhere did you dump mama JF's body, Jason?
>>531486972This guy makes my skin crawl.
>>531486840You're making the mistake of assuming you have to understand the logic and actions of a god for it to be valid to you. You could not possibly understand all of the reasons for what a god would do. You come to God through your heart, not your mind. Otherwise you're working on putting yourself on the same logical level of God, which no one can do. It does not follow that since a god called your ancestors dogs, that God is invalid. You can disagree with that, but that God still either exists or doesn't. >>531486877Yeah I'll sure they fucking vacuum sealed the shroud over their dead back then. It's amazing that a few second webm is good enough for you to sum up a theological stand point.
>>531486840I feel like your characterization of Jesus is a bit disingenuous. I mean, I'm not a theologian but wasn't the whole fucking point that he wasn't an asshole? Lol
>>531483477Christianity expects everyone to convert and people that dont are looked down upon. its the same with any religion that asserts a "one true god" because why are you not going to worship the only real diety, thats the embodiment of perfection? regardless of how you feel, not believing in Christianity is going to make you an adversary or a useful idiot. I believe atheism and maybe the greeks are going to be your best mechanism because it doesnt have to be a total denial of religion, just monotheism. the big deal with christianity over paganism was that you dont need to abide by all these different concepts personified by hundereds of different gods, just believe in one and youll be good.
>>531486637>>531486972This is the dawning of the Age of THEUS, and antiwhiteism is the only deadly sin.T H E U SH E U S TE U S T HU S T H ES T H E U
>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO KEEP WORSHIPING JEWS>THE ELITE BLOOD CABAL KEPT FORCING CHRISTIANITY ON THEIR SLAVES UNDER THREAT OF DEATH FOR 2000 YEARS BECAUSE ITS GOOD FOR YOU
>>531483477ooh worship metal, become an alchemist
>>531483477Bump. The thing with indo-European mythology is that almost all of the original content has been lost. It's disgusting to think about but 90% of the Greek literature we have from pre-Roman eras comes from the bloody Arabs who reintroduced a huge swath of it back into Europe during the Renaissance. And maybe youve been following all the wild discoveries regarding Atlantis, and the Green Sahara period, the Richat Structure, etc. It's relevant because the legendary founder of Atlantis was the God Poseidon. Who had ten sons, first was Atlas. And what's north of the Richat Structure, the Atlas Mountains. What I'm saying is that this stuff goes back 12000+ years. European history before Rome was astoundingly widespread. We were in the Americas, all throughout Asia, our ancestors are the main characters of the Vedas of India, the Viracochas of South America, our spiritual legacy is worldwide and truly vast. Christianity is like a veil cast over all of this. Its unifying nature was leveraged by the PTB of the time to eradicate all non-Christian heritage, which was of course everything...
>>531486499>there is no epistemic foundation unless you believe on faith in fairy tales This is the dumbest about I've ever read, religion is literally contrary to philosophy.
>>531487254Idk Christianity has become pretty lucid lately in non giga Christian groups for two reasons:Wicca was cool but Jesus is cooler so now we have Christian warlocksAtheism is fucking gay and so is gnosticism
>>531487333checked
>>531487420Shit*
>>531484692You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>531486537>Zeus, etc are not realget a load of this retard
>>531487420>>531487465Tell him why it's dumb to you anon. We actually have a good religion thread on this board for the first time ever.
>>531487517Thanks I will.>>531487539>flag Das funny.
>>531487420>religion is literally contrary to philosophyThere is no point in replying to you for the rest of the thread.
>>531485439>Yeah yeah that parts totally true until the Jesus part happenedYou mean Paul and Peter. Jesus only wanted to save the Jews. He thought saving goyim was like stealing bread from Jews and giving it to "dogs."
>>531484692>God has a son who is also GodSo that's two gods? What's stopping the son from having a son or a daughter?
>>531487432>Christian warlocks>but atheism is gayLmao
>>531483477Most of what's good about monotheism was taken from Plato and Aristotle anyway.
>>531486559If someone did that to your mom would you agree with it? Called her a dog when she was begging for help? Or would you crack his skull open?
>>531483477>due to it's Jewish originsThat is a lie, you have to overcome that nonsense. Start by actually studying the Bible and Christian history without those Roman and Zionist religious glasses on. "Jews" are not "a people", they are a multi-racial religious congregation, mostly Edomites and Canaanites and Arabs. They are not from Judah or any of the other 12 Israelite tribes. The true literal Israelites are in the New Covenant for 2000 years, they are known as Christians and established Christian civilization. >Jeremiah 31:31-33, Hebrews 8:8-10>Hosea 1:9-10, Romans 9:25-26>Ezekiel 34:11-12, 34:30-31>John 10:26-27>James 1:1Maybe this can help youhttps://youtu.be/62opEBkNTqkhttps://youtu.be/b96kJF8iWWUAlso stay away from the Roman church.
>>531487432Wicca is literally the gayest religion. It's almost entirely bisexual men and fat lesbians.
>>531487654Yeah, you know I'm not surprised something Jesus said 2000 years ago comes off the wrong way.
>>531486840Jesus Christ specifically told the Pharisees that their ethnocentric and self-serving interpretation of scripture was wrong.talmudic judaism spent millennia reverse engineering Christ's message of universalism if you're not a shill, you're not fit for theology. Jesus was persecuted because he opposed the thing you're accusing him of promoting (because anonymous shills on /pol/ somehow convinced you of this despite hating you and your savior)
>>531487730Atheism is gay. But yeah I've seen some zesty theological positions.
>>531487900Uhhh I think you're mixing up wiccan with druidism. I haven't seen that.
>>531487838That's bullshit. You're saying a rabbi that got circumcised and taught in synagogues was not a Jew? Why'd he call himself a Jew then? Didn't say Israelite John 4:22New International Version22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
>>531486499>epistemic foundationSelf-evident is an epistemic foundation
>>531487941>Atheism is gayAtheism is just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods
>>531488038Stop being disingenuous. Atheism is an active belief that there is no God.
>>531487247>I feel like your characterization of Jesus is a bit disingenuous.he called the gentile woman a dog. dogs are unclean to the jews, he's a jewish supremacist, in his own words. only when the woman acknowledged jews as superior to her did he agree to heal her daughter
>>531487560Reasons why religion is contrary to philosophy1. It values dogma over truth2. The obsession with rites and rituals3. It uses philosophy for it's own end4. It defers to faith and belief instead of reason and rigorAnytime a religious person argues philosophy it's always in bad faith because they're arguing solely from a place to justify their beliefs, not genuine truth seeking. Religion is a cultural artifact, truths are universal, some religions try to turn their dogma into a universal truth, which I think is especially egregious. Not content to stay a folk tradition, instead it wants to spread itself like a cancer. If something were really true it should bring you contentment, not try to force everyone to believe it. This is why the abrahamic religions are an absolute scourge.
>>531487247If someone did that to your mom would you be fine with it?
>>531487901The wrong way? A woman goes to him for help and he calls her a dog because she's not a Jew. That's literally what he says. That's the encounter. "Will you help me?""No, I was sent to save Jews. Saving goyim is like stealing food from my children and giving it to dogs."
>>531488122>Stop being disingenuous>active belief that there is no God.That's what the disbelief means, or gnostic atheism.I lack belief until evidence convinces me otherwise. Agnostic atheism
>>531488158this is a good reminder that a lot of the "abrahamic" and anti-christian shilling on /pol/ is third worlders who have just been exposed to christian belief for the first timethey're outraged just like the jews and romans were
>>531488240>Agnostic atheismthat's what i called myself when i was 17the philosophical equivalent of "i'm not touching you! i'm not touching you!" move past it and figure out what you actually think is true/right
>>531488240what they say atheism is isn't actually what atheism is
>>531488257Notice how he didn't answer. Let's do this hypothetical. Let's say your sister was drowning and your mother ran to me for help begging me to save her. And I told her I don't help dogs when real humans exist. Then she kept begging me and I decided to help the dog out of my sheer benevolence. Would you give me a firm handshake?
>>531488158Shut up pakianon. You guys have really good war propaganda so don't make me hate you.>>531488162No I get that. But it's also a reductionist pov to assume that's the only fucking thing Jesus said.
>>531488304>that's what i called myself when i was 17No you didn't >move past it and figure out what you actually think is true/rightI did when I left Christianity >>531488316This statement makes no sense
>>531488257>ad hominemtypical christian "argument"
There's a whole fucking book about Jesus but we are quoting one thing 2000 years ago?
>>531488362You'll hate me for exposing you to the truth? If what he did wasn't bad, hold the exact same standard for you own mother. If you saw some random guy fucking around with a beggar or orphan like that be honest it wouldn't sit well with you. How could that creator of the heavens and earth do that to a poor woman? Her daughter was in danger she would do anything at that point. If he had told her to suck his dick she would have. But instead he made her pant like a dog. Such a vile thing to do
>>531487907He spoke against their man-made additions (the Oral Law) to the Mosaic Law (the Written Law). He also rejected the authority of the rabbis outright. He never spoke against their doctrines of Jewish racial supremacy, though, and in fact written scripture proves he still held those views (Matthew 15).But yes Jesus was a great teacher when it came to speaking against the rabbi's retarded interpretations of the Torah. The reason why Christianity doesn't have the same insane superstitions meant to fool God that Judaism and Islam does is because Jesus specifically told the rabbis that you can't fool God and that God knows what's in your heart. So when Jews transfer their sins into a chicken and kill it, or when a Jewish woman gets a wig that's an exact copy of her actual hear so as to technically not break the commandant for women to cover their heads, Jesus said that's all retarded. This is the main reason the Jews killed him. It literally says that in the Talmud, too. The Talmud (the Oral Law written down) says that Jesus did want to help the Jewish people, but he was wrong first and foremost for speaking against the sages (the rabbis), and that he is burning in hot excrement in Hell forever for this crime. So the Talmudic Jews care more about Jesus speaking against the rabbis then committing the sin of being a false Messiah (in their eyes), very telling.
>>531488410One of the first things you learn is that atheists only hate christians, but that's not what google says. These concepts are european concepts and aren't globally universal. It's kind of like asians calling them socialists is the dumbest thing ever
People think Odin/Wotan/Wodanaz is a god younger than Christ yet the Basque religion remembers Odei ( where did latin get that word?) I learned this from the painter paul laffoley who worked on the 9/11 world trade center's elevator system
>>531488501I think it's out of context.
>>531488569>One of the first things you learn is that atheists only hate christiansSome probably do. I don't
>>531488470it's one example OP had issue with>IT'S JUST ONE THING IN 66 BOOKS WRITTEN BY JEWS>WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER GARBAGE
>>531488666right so you're not actually atheist
>>531488501>But instead he made her pant like a dog. Such a vile thing to doIf you want to criticize something then you should be accurate. She asked Jesus to heal her daughter, he did and praised her faith in him
>>531488410i absolutely used to consider myself an agnostic atheist. i even posted on 4chan about it. but fencesitting isn't a metaphysical position, you have to at least hold an ideal of what's right and good if you want to claim to hold a philosophical position at all. agnostic atheism is a weak way to avoid anyone being able to attack your beliefs.>maybe dats true.... but maybe its NOT. checkmate!there's a reason it appeals to teenagers, it lets you feel right without doing any actual thinking>>531488553>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)
>>531488711I lack belief in God or gods. So yes, I am
>>531488416if a bunch of foreigners are repeating the same dumb misconceptions because they don't understand the basic beliefs of christians, it's valid to point that out. why does it make you feel attacked when we do so?
>>531488770yeah well atheist is a european belief for europeans so all that means is "I deny the european god/gods"
>>531488665That's literally the context. A desperate woman is freaking out. Go to a hospital and look at a mother whose child is in danger. She will be hysterical and do whatever it takes to save her child. This is the same case. She truly believed that he could save her and she was begging him to save her daughter. Instead he decided to "test her faith"? What kind of dick move is that? If he had told her to dance like a monkey she would have. Not like she had a choice. Instead he called her a dog and the poor woman even agreed and was like yes I'm a dog please give my crumbs. What a piece of shit thing to do. Be honest
>>531488770Why tho. Is it strictly a materialistic pov or what? Not trying to be rude I'm curious.
>>531488759>i absolutely used to consider myself an agnostic atheistI don't believe you >but fencesitting isn't a metaphysical positionExtraordinary claims require Extraordinary evidence. So far I remain unconvinced, regardless of how much I'd like to believe, I simply can't
>>531488569those are retarded people aka jews or liberal atheists. i call myself an atheist because i dont believe anything can be called a god at all. theres no other terminology for that besides atheism.
>>531488745You're missing the point. I quoted that scripture to show that Jesus held the same ethnocentric Jewish racism that all the Israelites held at the time. Jesus is closer to a modern-day Israeli settler in the West Bank than some Bay Area hippie. He was sent *only* to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel and he considered goyim Canaanites to be dogs. It's just that simple and it's clearly written.
>>531488819You are a moron>>531488827>Why thoWhy should I?
>>531488822Let's say you're right and I concede the argument. You also believe Jesus didn't do good things?
>>531488843my job isn't to convince you, but you can cling to fedoraisms from 30 years ago if it helps you feel better
>>531488857>He was sent *only* to the Lost Sheep of the House of IsraelThen he wouldn't have healed the Canaanite
>>531488903>my job isn't to convince youOK, have a nice evening
>>531488885Sure no issues he did great things. But someone who is labeled as perfect and sinless either isn't perfect or sinless if he did this, or whatever source there is written about him is unreliable.
>>531488946prove you want me to have a nice evening (you can't, i win)
>>531488875Go find me a chinese atheist
>>531488969OK, have a nice evening
>>531488972Thanks for confirming I'm right about you
THE FASCIST ANIMAL VIRTTUE SIGNALLING AS A BELIEVER HAHAHAHAHA LMAOYOU ARE LUCKY YOU CAN TALK
>>531488665>out of contextthen you're not too familiar with scriptureMatthew 105 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel."Rabbi Paul later explains in Romans 11 that the offer of salvation was extended to gentiles only to make "israel" jealous. And furthermore that "all of Israel will be saved"Enjoy your sloppy seconds goyim
>>531489059communism is a satanic cult
>>531489054I don't know eastern religion is kind of weird
SUBHUMAN FASCIST ANIMAL SCUM WONT EVER COMPREHEND CHRIST
>>531489094WE ARE THE FUTURE THATS WHY YOU ARE SO AFRAID
>>531488795he's 100% right no matter what his IP is and you're playing dumb
>>531484313You can only do this when you actively have not read anything else, otherwise it gets tainted from the thoughts of others
>>531488875I'm not sure why you should honestly. I just have a pretty good idea that a god certainly exists. I think he's gonna exist regardless of whether you believe in him. I don't think somebody on 4chan is going to kickstart your spiritual awakening. These things happen in fucked up phases.
Holy fuck shut the fuck up you retarded faggot tranny, stop spamming these threads.NOT FUCKING POLITICS
>>531489183>I'm not sure why you should honestlyI appreciate your honesty
>>531484810>Specifically Catholic scholasticism was basically the catalyst for European innovation in the sciences and humanities.This is a greco-roman artifact, just like it was for the "Islam" golden age. The biggest accomplishment of Christianity is spreading jew worship worldwide.
>>531489087Again, so what? Did Jesus suddenly also not do good? This is reductionist theology. Like I'm suddenly not gonna like Jesus because he was a Jew who told Jews to fuck off.
>>531489136no it's good and rational to point out who these people spamming /pol/ with anti christian messages arei wasn't engaging with the argument, i didn't even follow it. i just recognize the pattern
>>531489204>NO FUCKING POLITICS SCREAMS THE NAZI
>>531489271So instead of trying to insult me just answer one simple question. If I did the exact same thing to your mother that he did to the poor beggar woman would you be fine with it? Called her a dog until she was so desperate then decided to eventually help her out because she was a good dog?
APOLITICAL RELIGION WOULD BE MEANINGLESS
>>531489260>whataboutism>how can i make this about mejesus fucking christ
COMMUNISM WILL WIN
>>531489252truth is truth, just because Christ validated some of the truths pagans discovered doesn't mean revelation isn't more important. you're the equivalent of the black nationalists who attribute all greek philosophy to egypt, despite no one else coming up with it. it's anachronistic nonsense by anti christian bigots with an agenda
>>531489232That's not to say spiritualism isn't in your horoscope (that's a joke btw.) I just think it's something you have to find, or you won't. Who knows. I was a materialistic sciencefag for so long and then life slapped me in the face. I didn't cry to god or anything, I just figured it out to the best of my ability. So I don't push religion on anyone, I just lost the part of myself that was a non believer. If that makes sense.
>>531489360hey you said something intelligent. your meme is gay though antifa faggot
>>531489369Oh come on. Replies like that are just shit and you know it.
LETS HAVE SOME FUN WITH CONSERVATIVE JESUS:
>>531489479THANK YOU :3
>>531489343if you're interested in christian theology, you can do research, this probably isn't the place to ask. if you're doing so i can assume it's not in good faith. i also wasn't involved in whatever argument you started, no interest in bridging the immense cultural gap between us in this format
>>531488857Bro just be a pantheist. God is everything everywhere simple as. I was raised Roman Catholic. Abrahamic religions are retarded. It all boils down to the kike god. FUCK THE KIKE GOD. I'm not a gas pagan either but yeah
>>531489505it was appropriate
Go to the library, as in pick the country/culture you feel affiliated with and actually study. You probably won't find any co-religionists or they will be a mix of weird dorks and hippies if you do, but that needn't prevent you having a spiritual practice. However coming her and expecting (or even just hoping) to be spoon-fed spiritual insight is a fools' errand. You should probably also study some general anthropology and think about the role of religion and ritual in society so that you're clear on whether you want a belief system that satisfies your intellect, or an aesthetic that satisfies your emotional needs, or a set of practices that build community cohesion etc. etc.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN READING, THIS WAS FAIRLY DIGESTIBLE:
>>531488857Oh also Jesus Christ is a fictional character. Christianity is a kike mental prison. Literally Jesus Christ never existed. No proof that the man ever existed none whatsoever. Anybody who says there is proof is a liar. It's all third hand bullshit.
>>531489596No I'm not done with you. Tell me why I'm wrong or send me a cute cat picture.
>>531489565>turbobackpedaling non-answer
>>531489565You're acting like we don't have christians here that actually follow religion unlike you guys in the west. You called me a third worlder and assumed that I don't know anything about your theology even though we're literally taught it in school at a young age. It's a bit funny because I remember asking christians how they could believe that God could become a man they would always squirm and avoid.
>>531489439One can be an atheist and still believe in metaphysical concepts like a soul or an afterlife
>>531483477Read Ovid and Marcus Aurelius is the best advice I have been given
>>531489436Revelation isn't as important as reason and rigor. There's many schizophrenics who had "revelations" throughout history. It's precisely that truth is truth that you don't take things on faith.
>BEWARE
>>531489617Sounds kikeish
>>531489712Is that really true? Arent you teetering in the theist perspective at that point?Like what, you believe in souls but don't know where they go. Or karma but you don't know what is right or wrong? That's why it's so hard for me to understand atheists. Not trying to be rude again, it just boggled the brain.
>>531483477Nice numbers.Revealed religions are prone to misinterpretation and corruption. Unfortunately, most of the people can't find the way on their own; the results of letting the masses without guidance can be seen today. The same goes for the "elites" - these people largely can't approach Gods from the love and compassion alone, they need to be coaxed by fear of consequences, here or there. It's like trying to apply naive libertarianism to our current societies.If you're able to, then try to find your own way. There are techniques for developing a sense of what is true and right, and for gaining a feedback which will guide and teach you. This guidance, an empathy of sorts, will lead you to the truth. You will be shown the books which contain some kernels of truth, you will be introduced to the right people at the right time etc.Gods are real, including Yahweh. Magic is real. There are no coincidences. You are never alone. Love the truth, embody a cause worth living and dying for. Ask and you shall get what you really need.
>>531489817>Is that really true?Yes.>Arent you teetering in the theist perspective at that point?No? Why does an afterlife and/or souls require a God or gods?
>>531489668Stop worshiping the Jew God bro. That's why you're wrong you worshiped Jews end of story.
>>531483477That’s JerryYou don’t fuck with Jerry
>>531489668>Tell me why I'm wrongi already did. you said OP's problem with jesus' behavior toward the gentile woman was "out of context" (which doesnt even make sense but anyway) I responded with 2 more examples of the bible's jewish supremecist message to show there is nothing "out of context" about it
>>531489669backpedaling from an argument i wasn't involved in? mind telling everyone what country your family comes from and what their beliefs are?>>531489682>It's a bit funny because I remember asking christians how they could believe that God could become a man they would always squirm and avoid.there's about 2000 years of western theology on the incarnation that you could familiarize with instead of harassing grandmas over their beliefs to make yourself feel better. again, you come from an alien background. imagine trying to explain all of the different tribal conflicts in pakistan and some western retard says "wrong you're all pakistani" and repeats this every time you explain the conflicts and history in detail. you'd avoid wasting your time engaging too.>>531489740Christian revelation and reason aren't in conflict though. i'll say again, a huge portion of christian theology deals with this, especially catholic
>>531489972>Christian revelation and reason aren't in conflict thoughIf that were true then there wouldn't be over 30k divisions
>>531489972>gaslightingoh fuck off
>>531489912I guess it doesn't need to. But then the question is what and why.>>531489964Right and I pointed out one single Jesus moment doesn't overrule all his other shit. And if the idea is he's not infallible, that's also de facto false.
>>531489972>imagine trying to explain all of the different tribal conflicts in pakistanEasy. Something petty happens and people become violent and the violence escalates because people are too invested into backing down and vengeance feels sweet. What's so hard to understand that? Now go ahead and explain how calling a beggar a dog is acceptable under any context. And I can assure you that the Jewish customs and traditions that Jesus would live in would be closer to my third world country than to yours. And it would 100% be considered subhuman behavior. Which is why even you can't answer the question: would you be happy if I treated your mother exactly the same way if all the context was the same?
>>531490138>But then the question is what and why.What and why of?
>>531484810Lol
>>531490022even heretical sects try to rationalize their beliefs. i was dismissing the idea that christian revelation is equivalent to a random schizo's spontaneous rambling >>531490111spend less time on the internet. your youtube theology isn't impressive to anyone>>531490145sorry you're all pakistani tribal conflict isn't real
>>531483477>Jewish originsMoses was the student of Orpheus in 1615 BC dumbassChristianity is literally the most European religion that ever existed, even Byzantine music is just the Orphic Tones, which you have all already lost in the west
>>531486136God is The Race.
>>531490163Good questions that I can't answer. Sorry.
>>531489972>Christian revelation and reason aren't in conflict thoughIt is, and this isn't because I'm against revelation, but because there's no path for the individual to have revelation. It's all just>trust me broIf it can't be verified experientially, nor logically, nor empirically, then it's just a dogma you believe on faith, which is antithetical to reason.>huge portion of christian theology deals with this, especially catholicRead this >>531488157, all religious philosophy is just a justification for their unquestionable beliefs, to say "just have faith bro, it's revelation nd shi" is quite the convenient cop out. This is the antithesis of philosophy, religious people can't truth seek because they're too identified and attached to dogma, and everything has to be filtered through it.
>>531490212>getting verbally fucking rekt by a pakingmi
>>531490212>christian revelation is equivalent to a random schizo's spontaneous ramblingAgreed >>531490229All good, again I appreciate your honesty
>>531483477I study Occultism and religion is a hot topic I study from an Occultist perspective, I study Kabbalah, Egyptian Mythology, Greek&Roman Mythology, even Sumerian and Chaldean Mythology, I can tell you there is an underlying Divine Truth under all this religions I mention, I understand maybe you dont like the jews/hebrew religion, ok but I can tell you that we Europeans share a lot with the Sumerian, Hebrew traditions, even with the Egyptians, for example many Greek philosophers went to Alexandria to study the mystery traditions.
>>531490225>God is The Racethis is the jews' superpower>ethnostate for me (old Testament)>but not for thee ("new, revised" Testament)
>>531490212>sorry you're all pakistani tribal conflict isn't realWhat do you mean? You're the one that brought it up and I explained it to you in a nutshell. What we're discussing is the morality of specific actions. If an action is not immoral then you would have no issue with the same standard being held for your own mother. That's why you're avoiding the question. I mean the beggar Canaanite did nothing wrong. Her daughter was in danger and she appealed for help. She was respectful. First he ignored her, then he called her a dog. What do you think she was going to do? Say oh well I'll just go have another kid? Obviously she was going to be persistent and keep begging. Her child was in danger and in her mind he was the only one who could help her. At the point whatever demands he made from her would be defacto fulfilled. Calling her a dog was just a pointless and disgusting thing to do whichever way you look at it, especially given the context.
>>531483477This might help, it was written for someone else but the information still applies for you.I've watched your streams for years. I used to cringe whenever you spoke about Christianity or attempted to convert others to it, because I had already come to the conclusion that Christianity is merely another offshoot of Judaism, no different in essence from Judaism itself, Islam, or Mormonism, they all trace back to the same foreign people and an alien land, one unknown to our ancestors. You can label all of these religions as Abrahamic religions.As for my own journey, it began with an interest in subjects most would dismiss as fringe: UFOs, extraterrestrials, supernatural entities, Bigfoot. From there, it was a natural progression into political conspiracies. It was during this phase, aided by a God-given intellect and an exceptional aptitude for pattern recognition, that I began to notice something striking. The same group appeared, with suspicious consistency, at the center of political scandals and clandestine power structures.
>>531490435Once I understood who they were, it became impossible to ignore the broader implications. I recognized that the religion I had inherited was itself from my racial enemy. I began researching the manner in which Christianity had been imposed upon our European ancestors and how their native traditions were systematically eradicated. The Celtic druids, who preserved the Aryan religion through oral transmission, were eliminated before they could ever commit it to writing. The Germanic tribes saw their sacred groves and their holy trees, such as Donar's Oak, chopped down by people like "Saint" Boniface. Realizing that a tangible and malevolent group exerted such sweeping influence over the world compelled me to turn inward, to study my own heritage and the religious framework of my ancestors. I sought to understand the worldview they held and how they accounted for the existence of evil.I began studying Germanic literature, such as the Eddas and the sagas, as well as Greek and Roman pagan traditions. As I explored these European pagan religions, I noticed recurring themes and shared patterns in their stories and underlying ways of thinking. These similarities reflect their common origin in a broader Indo-European religious tradition, expressed differently within each culture. Unfortunately, although many of the narratives were preserved, much of the philosophical meaning and worldview behind them was lost, whether through the passage of time, deliberate suppression, or the editing and adaptation of these texts by Christian scribes.
>>531483477My head canon is that Europe has forest spirits and junk so they remain in the forests but America is all suburbs so the spirits become urban legends like the Blair witch or the backrooms, the spiritual sensation of sitting in a foggy forest is felt when you visit a nostalgic place from your childhood here. The spirits didn’t get commercialized they just inhabit different vessels including virtual ones
>>531490435>>531490463Now, here's where I might lose you, because I'm slightly further along this journey than you. Just keep an open mind and remember that if had I said anything negative about Christianity to you just a few short years ago you would dismissed what I had to say. The same principle applies here.When I began studying the "Indo" side of the Indo-European tradition, I discovered that Vedic priests (whom were all blonde-haired and blue-eyed in ancient times before miscegenating with Dravidians) had the foresight to preserve their philosophy and eventually commit it to writing. There are texts from ancient India (originally an Aryan land that was mixed out), such as the Vedas and the Bhagavad Gita, that date back 5,600+ years. There was also a vast oral tradition that likely transmitted these teachings for thousands of years before they were actually written down, meaning they go back 10,000+ years. The Celtic druids had the same oral transmission tradition.As one delves into the Vedas, it becomes clear that they present an extraordinarily sophisticated philosophical system, detailing a comprehensive worldview that addresses God, the origin of the universe, the reason for our existence, and why we find ourselves in the material world. It is impressive to consider the depth of knowledge and philosophical insight preserved by the Vedic priests. Once you study this ancient Vedic religion, you can use your superior pattern-recognition skills to identify the same underlying structures in the other Indo-European religions. At that point, it all begins to make sense.
>>531490272I don't expect to win any argument. But I can at least try another idea. You know what's right and what's wrong. Have you ever felt like there was evil in the world? Not in the vindictive way, but just seeing it and wondering why?
>>531490435>>531490463>>531490539At this point you can then classify Christianity and Judaism as Abrahamic religions, or as asuric (demonic) religions in Vedic terms, while you can classify all of the Indo-European religions as Dharmic (natural law) religions. I urge you not to dismiss Vedic religion as a street-shitter religion. Yes, street-shitters are all that exist in India today because the original Aryans there were systematically race-mixed out of the gene pool. However, the original Aryan philosophy was written down and preserved. Our task now is to revive this philosophy and express it in our own cultural terms, within German culture, within Slavic culture, etc. instead of within street-shitter culture. We can revive German paganism, Greek paganism, Celtic paganism, Roman paganism, etc. because they all had the same fundamental dharmic (natural law) philosophy.I realize that currently you're exploring the Creativity Movement founded by Ben Klassen and other such similar white movements. However, I urge you not to dismiss the huge corpus of Vedic literature and philosophy just because the India of today no longer has any white folks. Vedic / Aryan philosophy has magnitudes of more depth than Creativity or William Luther Pierce's Cosmotheism.
>>531490250>justification for their unquestionable beliefsI'll elaborate on this, every single religious philosophy starts with the presupposition that their fundamental axioms are true, and then they go from there. That is dogma, which is a characteristic of all religions, which is why you can't actually engage with philosophy. It's all just bad faith to justify beliefs, not genuine truth-seeking. The aim for a religion's philosophy is to try to best polish their turd, to try to make it as coherent as possible WITHIN the confines they themselves not dare to question. That attachment and identification with a belief system is not how philosophy works, imagine if mathematicians had the same approach to justifying mathematical truths.
>>531489159>Our soul is one with our ancestors and you just need to open yourself and bee yourself...>But not if you read books writen by jews or abrahamists.>Edujews made me read countless books.>I am tainted now. Can not unread. Closed from ancient knowlegde forewer.The final and most bitter redpill. I will never be an unread man. I will never be one with my own spirit. NGMI
>>531490435>>531490463>>531490539>>531490573Anyways, if you're at all curious, the best place to start learning about dharma (natural law) is from a fellow named Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya. Don't let his online name fool you, he's a white man of Italian and Spanish ancestry whose real name is Frank Morales. He's studied Vedic religion since the age of 10, has a PhD in philosophy, and a confirmed IQ on the level of Christopher Langan. Sri Acharyaji, as he's colloquially known for short, has appeared on some other programs you might be familiar with.He's appeared on Red Ice Creations with Henrik Palmgren twice:https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/dharma-natural-law-a-remedy-to-the-spiritual-crisis-in-the-westHe's also appeared twice on Tom Roswell's Survive the Jive podcast:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctpo6l8zu_Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpTpAITdNVQAnd here's his own Youtube channel:https://www.youtube.com/@DharmaNationIf you read his book "The Dharma Manifesto", you'll find hidden references to the 14 words. While he doesn't overtly support white nationalism on his Youtube channel or in his books (because he doesn't want to be deplatformed), behind closed doors he is very much a white nationalist and believes that jews are demons in human form. He also supports Eric Orwoll and his Return to the Land movement. In fact, he gave a lecture at RTTL's last conference. He's also done a few interviews by Eric Orwoll, like this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKWqRjZwykg
Actually I'm just gonna go to sleep. Goodnight bros.
>>531490250what you're doing is starting from a naturalist/materialist assumption and working backwards to justify your non-belief. i don't accept your framing, i believe revelation and reason work together.i arrived at christianity through my interest in philosophy and occultism. have you studied christian theology? what did you find so offensive about it?>>531490268ok tablet kid>>531490426no sorry tribal conflict isn't real in pakistan cause theyre all pakistani, duh>>531490272you would agree, but you'd have no basis to do so>>531490660this is neurotic nonsense. THAT'S the highest truth you cling to? you've just made an idol of racial purity and driven yourself insane through it
>>531490539>Vedic priests (whom were all blonde-haired and blue-eyed in ancient times before miscegenating with Dravidians)No they weren't. The best were iranic farmers in the Indus plains that you can still find today. The blonde haired blue eyed came much later with Alexander
>>531490665thank you for your effort posting anonI've been meaning to read the Vedic texts for the longest time but never got around to it, they always ended up at the back of the line. That shall be remedied soon
I notice none of you mention why there is a lot of Gods who where born from a virgin, then they die and resurrect, or other Gods who are sacrificed to be resurrected again, this are Solar Gods like Mythra, Osiris, or even Jesus.
>>531490552>Have you ever felt like there was evil in the world?Definitely >seeing it and wondering why?I used to wonder why, I don't anymore after experiencing the duality of man long enough.
>>531490766>but you'd have no basis to do soPeople like you and experience over 40+ years
>>531490766lel it's obvious to anyone reading the thread that he's had you on the ropes for the entire thread and you've done nothing but try to avoid the KO. just relax and let your body fall thru the ropes and it will all be over
>>531490539And just to add, we still have fair people here but that aren't like white people. Here's what is and always has been considered "upper caste" not the blonde hair and blue eyes.
>>531490665Anyways, we've had similar paths, and now that you've thrown off the chains of Christianity I just wanted to give you a little guidance on what to explore next. I know you're a truth seeker, and for truth seekers it very much helps to have a rock solid philosophical foundation. Our Aryan ancestors had this rock solid philosophical foundation, and you can still learn and apply it today.I hope this was helpful. If you want to explore this further I can send you a list of axioms written by Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya which sort of puts the nebulous concept of natural law into more concrete ideas.
>>531489159>>531490660>see alphabet magnets on the fridge as a toddler>instantly oneshotted into the judeo-masonic spirit prison
>>531490994if you were capable of being honest with yourself you'd examine why surrendering to Christ frightens you so much instead of repeating basic ass surface level fedora arguments and cheap gotchas. unbecoming of a grown man.>>531491045he tried to get me to respond to an argument he was having with another person. then you jumped in (not realizing this) and also assumed i was that person. i've been repeating this several times, but you don't seem to have the attention span to actually check upthread to see the ID of the person he was arguing with initially. his argument is dumb and comes from his weird third world honor culture understanding of right and wrong. i'm just not going to engage with someone else's low IQ argument. that's all.you believe the entirety of Christianity is unraveled because Jesus talked to a woman in a way this pakistani finds particularly insulting. LOL
>>531490766>have you studied christian theology? what did you find so offensive about it?Abraham cut his own dick and tried to kill his own son. Instead of putting him into asylum abrahamists try to prove he is their forefather.The bible commands you to kill Amalek. Which is carte blanche to kill anyone because it is not specified who Amalek is.Joseph made the Egyptians slaves and christcucks show it as a positive.This is enough for me to hate the whole thing with my guts.The new testament was to make the goyim docile.Genesis was not written by jews and that part is a nice look into the mind of ancient people. All other parts written by jews is garbage.
>>531491198>if you were capable of being honest with yourself you'd examine why surrendering to Christ frightens youIf you were capable of being honest with yourself you'd examine why my lack of faith frightens you so much that all you can do is reply with fallacies
>>531491266your bad faith interpretation isn't christian theology and i wasn't asking you>>531491283two posts ago you cut off the first part of my sentence to pretend i agreed with you in a cheap gotcha and now you're crying foul about my "fallacies"? maybe you're just low IQ. stay away from thinking
>>531490766I'm not a naturalist or maaterialist>i believe revelation and reason work together.I don't care about your beliefs, beliefs don't matter in regards to truth. Revelation only works with reason insofar as it's actionable and thus verifiable. If it's unactionable beyond, "just believe", then it isn't verifiable, if it isn't verifiable, then it's just a belief. I find abrahamic religions in particular offensive because they construe their dogma with universal truths. Religion is a cultural artifact, it's something that's specific to a time and place, to the people that develop it. It's essentially folk tradition/myth/lore, to extrapolate that to the universal level is absurd and contradictory. Let's imagine for a moment there are extraterrestial civilizations, which in this vast universe there most certainly is, would you find these supposed universally true religions existing there? No, because it's a cultural idiosyncrasy, you'd find equivalent science, math, and philosophy, because these things are provable, they're universal truths. Arguing religion is like arguing which ice cream is best, this is the realm of beliefs, not truth. To miscontrue which ice cream is best as a truth is the peak of delusion, and then to try to spread it everywhere and force everyone else to believe a certain flavor of ice cream is best is even worse. Religions should stay as folk traditions, as unique cultural traits belonging to a people, to serve that people. They should not be mistaken for truths, they should not be to the detriment to that people. If the people are worshipping someone else's heritage, history, and myths, that is suicidal. This is why the Christians on here have to believe in the Christian Identity nonsense because they know this, they know on some level it's absurd to venerate another people's myths, so they have to believe it actually came from "white" israelites.
>>531491198>i wasnt arguing, he just jumped me out of nowhereyou lie sir >>531487907>Jesus Christ specifically told the Pharisees that their ethnocentric and self-serving interpretation of scripture was wrong>talmudic judaism spent millennia reverse engineering Christ's message of universalism>Jesus was persecuted because he opposed the thing you're accusing him of promoting there you made your argument regarding Jesus' treatment of the non-jewand here >>531488257 you attacked pakiposter based on his IP address
>>531485322You mean Tom the money hungry beggar? He can’t get over the fact that Yamnaya was overwhelmingly 50-60% near eastern in origin, which means that everything Europe got as a result is due to near eastern culture and heritage. The origin of PIE homeland is Kura Araxes culture. This is the enigma that not many people understand yet, but will. Davidski, Roswell Snowmonkeys can cry in denial about this for as long as they live, but truth trumps manipulation. They are no different to the dishonest pharisees they ridicule. Nothing holy about the Scandinavian look. Med look has all the markers of holiness. Instinctively all people know this, but won’t ever accept it openly.
>>531483477Check out David Lane’s 88 precepts. It’s a pretty good framework for modern religious beliefs for White men, based on natural law. Also, read cosmotheism by the great William Luther Pierce.
>>531484517>It may hurt in the near-term, but in the end, who is the slave, if the slave-moral society ends up dominating the others? Everyone is a slave. This was maybe one of the first para-national ideologies that got popular in trendy hustle and bustle big cities to create a sense of identity beyond the local community, language, or culture and subvert the world. It was the blueprint for globohomo communism.
>>531491341>two posts ago you cut off the first part of my sentence to pretend i agreed with youIncorrect. I highlighted that part I believe is accurate. >now you're crying foul about my "fallacies"?You're the one crying lol and are so hurt that you're only recourse is ad homs and gaslight >maybe you're just low IQ. stay away from thinkingYou project a lot lol
>>531490382Jew tactic.>oh goy-- i mean boy, that tactic you're using it's quite effective-- i mean isn't it very similar to [bad association]? heh heh...
>>531483477It sounds to me like when people are asking about European native religion, they're trying to find something like Christianity that isn't Christianity. And there's just nothing like that. Not exactly. You can study comparative religion and mythology all day, if you really want to check all the boxes, Christianity already exists. Anything else you're trying to find or create is going to mostly be a carbon copy with some names and jargon swapped out. It's redundant.
>>531491112As I have studied Occultism I can tell you our western minds are better with Greek Philosophers than getting into Induism, we are not compatible with their views, I am talking about our Psyches are wired different, some induism might be great, but is better to live with Western values like the Greek philosophers.
>>531491397>Revelation only works with reason insofar as it's actionable and thus verifiable. a scientism bias you've inherited uncritically>If it's unactionable beyond, "just believe", then it isn't verifiable, if it isn't verifiable, then it's just a belief.it's broader than that, the entire belief system reinforces itself and does so without contradicting our reason. >Religion is a cultural artifact, it's something that's specific to a time and place, to the people that develop it.this is an academic, historicist perspective that i'm again rejecting. you're applying modern anthropological ideas anachronistically and expecting me to agree (ironically exactly what you're accusing christianity of doing). that you think this perspective is more "objective" is evidence of your naturalist/materialist/modern academic bias (whether or not that's your personal understanding of your beliefs)>Let's imagine for a moment there are extraterrestial civilizations, which in this vast universe there most certainly isthat would be a very convenient (again, materialist) device for denying revelation wouldn't it? i reject the framing> No, because it's a cultural idiosyncrasy, you'd find equivalent science, math, and philosophy, because these things are provable, they're universal truths.they're shared truths, but that doesn't privilege them over capital T Truth which only God can know. if you're no an atheist, you'll understand why that's the case.>Arguing religion is like arguing which ice cream is best, this is the realm of beliefs, not truth. To miscontrue which ice cream is best as a truth is the peak of delusion, and then to try to spread it everywhere and force everyone else to believe a certain flavor of ice cream is best is even worse.but you're arguing this using a system of thought entirely descended from the religion you're trying to deny. you take many things for granted and try to pretend your position is objective
>>531491446>med supremacy ravingTom's doing a lot of research into European paganism and sharing what he learns. That's why I recommended him to OP who asked specifically for that information. Try to stay on topic
>>531491683>capital T Truth which only GodImpossible because truth is unfaithful
>>531483477they've been lost to time because no one wrote them down.there are about 50,000 neopagan reconstructions though
>>531491683>using a system of thought entirely descended from the religion you're trying to deny.No lol
>>531491836are you really so fedoraized that you can't tolerate "god" as a philosophical placeholder for Ultimate Truth? you've been at this 40+ years and you didn't even make it to the greeks? look at your posts in this thread and ask if you've contributed with sincerity and insight
>>531491951>you can't tolerate "god" as a philosophical placeholder for Ultimate Truth?God of the gaps is really low IQ>>531491951>you've been at this 40+ years and you didn't even make it to the greeks?The Greeks that predate Christians, yes>look at your posts in this thread and ask if you've contributed with sincerity and insightLike I said, all you can do is reply with more and more fallacies.
>>531491683>a scientism bias you've inherited uncriticallyIt's not, even in "mystical" traditions like that from plotinus, gautama, shankara, etc. It's always actionable, and thus verifiable. This is in stark contrast to religion which is unactionable, unverifiable dogma. What practice is there for the Christian to achieve revelation besides believing and praying? What measure or metric is there for whether you've achieved revelation or not?>it's broader than that, the entire belief system reinforces itself and does so without contradicting our reason.Reinforcing itself, in other words, built on unquestionable presuppositions. Yeah of course it wouldn't contradict itself internally, the entire point of philosophy for the religious is to build and polish a consistent turd.>this is an academic, historicist perspective that i'm again rejecting. you're applying modern anthropological ideas anachronistically and expecting me to agree (ironically exactly what you're accusing christianity of doing). that you think this perspective is more "objective" is evidence of your naturalist/materialist/modern academic bias (whether or not that's your personal understanding of your beliefs)It's a fact, there is no religion without it's rites, rituals, and cultural context. These are SPECIFIC, truth is non-specific.>that would be a very convenient (again, materialist) device for denying revelation wouldn't it? i reject the framingI'm pointing out the contradiction in thinking something could be universally true if it's specific to a time, place, and people.>they're shared truths, but that doesn't privilege them over capital T Truth which only God can know. if you're no an atheist, you'll understand why that's the case.Another example of what I mean by unactionable and unverifiable, if it's something only God can know that's called faith and dogma.
>>531491683>but you're arguing this using a system of thought entirely descended from the religion you're trying to deny. you take many things for granted and try to pretend your position is objectiveNo it's not derived from religion, it's the other way around. Religion uses philosophy to justify their beliefs, all religious philosophy is co-opted from metaphysics. The entire foundation of Christian philosophy for example is platonism.
>>531492245>The entire foundation of Christian philosophy for example is platonism.Exactly this
>>531491951I was actually discussing with a few AI's yesterday about Christian theology and various moral rules and challenged it on an additional extension or almost-made discovery in morality and philosophy and it suggested:"The primary moral act is the disciplined love of accurate understanding — reaching toward reality with genuine curiosity, while restraining the self's tendency to project, distort, and replace what is seen with what is convenient."so with respect to ordo amoris rather than God you would have a sort of 'sincere truth seeking'I mention this because that sounds like something you're getting into with 'God as a philosophical placeholder for Ultimate Truth'I don't know where you're coming from with that but it sounds like it's lining up with my own philosophical explorations on Christian/European morality and theology.
>>531491397"revealed religion" is literally for retards. people who cant be trusted to do anything decently without strict guidance. this was clear to me after i read Revolutionary War hero Ethan Allen's >Reason, the Only Oracle of Manhttps://infidels.org/library/historical/ethan-allen-reason-the-oracle-of-man/
>>531492175>Religion uses philosophy to justify their beliefsTo expound on this, philosophers like Socrates and Plato used philosophy to QUESTION their beliefs, not to justify them. In that sense it's like the scientific method, instead of looking for things to confirm what you think is true, you find ways to contradict what you think is true. This is actual philosophy. On the other hand, religion always seeks to stay within it's own constraints it gives itself to create the shiniest most consistent turd possible.
I can see most of you are too retarded to understand religion, enjoy your shit talk.
>>531492087>God of the gapscongrats you hit fedora bingo! unfortunately, god of the gaps has nothing to do with god as a representation of Truth itself>>531492175>What measure or metric is there for whether you've achieved revelation or not?salvation? or do you mean what worldly metric? do you see why your perspective is rooted in materialist assumptions?>It's a fact, there is no religion without it's rites, rituals, and cultural context. These are SPECIFIC, truth is non-specific.>I'm pointing out the contradiction in thinking something could be universally true if it's specific to a time, place, and people.you're using modern anthropological framing(rooted in material assumptions) that just aren't compelling. these academic categories are in no way adequate for assessing ultimate truth and appealing to them in an attempt to discredit Christ only makes sense if you take this academic perspective for granted, which I do not. Jesus Christ is Truth.>Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)>Another example of what I mean by unactionable and unverifiable, if it's something only God can know that's called faith and dogma.... according to modern academic standards, your claims are rooted in materialist assumptions>>531492245the above critique applies to this too. you can't just say "christianity comes from platonism" and expect that to be the shared ground of the argument. it's not objective for the reasons i already layed out. you don't realize your own biases. >>531492295happy that registered with you. I don't believe God is simply a placeholder for Truth, but that's a useful framing for people who are allergic to the concept of God. you should explore catholic theology, it's very deep and impresses me greatly. be careful with llms though, they're trained on reddit and other social media and have strong biases
>>531492551>god of the gaps has nothing to do with god as a representation of Truth itselfSure it does. You just demonstrated it, lolIf you had truth then you woukdt need faith. Like I said, truth is unfaithful, which is incompatible with your personal feelings about "God"
>>531490382>ethnostate for me (old Testament)>>but not for thee(You) really should be ashamed of your bullish ignorancethe Old Testament was written in Orphic measure in the Sacred Letters of the Pelasgian ancestors of Cadmus, misnamed "Phoenician"but that is nothing of what the jews have picrel
>>531492551>Jesus Christ is Truth.To you.
>>531492551>your claims are rooted in materialist assumptionsSo is your "salvation"
>>531492704He's a big guy.
>>531491198>why surrendering to Christ frightens you so muchYou're trying to frame this in a bad way, which reveals a bit of bias on your part, not a genuine attempt at understanding anything.I don't fear Christ, but I struggle to see the value in him. Nietzsche's described "slave morality" is accurate and even as I poke and prod at AI's about it, they admit that Christ's teachings are not innate to European genetic nature. Europeans do almost the exact opposite of Christ's slave morality, again - Nietzsche describes it as 'master morality'. That's the true European spirit.I can see Christian morality as, in the best case, a tempering of the hot iron of the European spirit, because we've certainly created the grandest civilization on the planet during 1000 years of Christian 'rule'. However you can see today how easily Christianity is subverted by the liberal-jewish morality frameworks. Especially recently, Christianity has been turned into an hyper-universalist ideology (accept and love anyone/everything even your enemies and the devil) which while it may be at odds with what I think Christianity /actually/ is, clearly works way way way too well on most Christians.This was really a problem solved by Augustine and... someone else I can't remember his name, but the whole point of ordo amoris is to structure love in an hierarchy, (oddly similar to that conservative vs liberal graph) where you put God first, then family, kin, tribe, strangers, rocks, etc. and sin comes from disordered love within this hierarchy (putting strangers over family for example), which is what modern liberalism does and is exactly the main problem with modern "Christianity" which I think should be considered Heresy if not worse for how damaging it is to Europeans and Christianity in general.
>>531492295>The primary moral act is the disciplined love of accurate understandingt. Immanuel Kant
>>531491045>Jews are flourishing: For that, I thank the Catholic Church (for not exterminating us in Holy Inquisitions like all the other times picrel)
>>531492694>God's Holy book is fraudulentok
>>531484810>Catholic scholasticismDoesn't exist anywhere in the bible
>>531492761for you
>>531492947If we remove our faith, will we die?
>>531492877>God's Holy bookthe masorah of the rabbis is not God's holy book retardit is satanic and contradicts the actual Old Testament dumbass
>>531492769>accept and love anyone/everything even your enemies and the devilWhat version of christianity are you listening to anon? while my church does advise forgiving those who wrong you, they're very clear that forgiving them is more for yourself than for the one being forgiven; its not forgetting and it's not saying you still need to trust them. They also definitely don't tell us to love the devil. we don't even refer to him by a name, he's just "the enemy"
>>531492811the church has always supported the jew
>>531492970>If we remove our faith, will we die?it is not the lobotomy itself that causes death
>>531492551>be careful with llms though, they're trained on reddit and other social media and have strong biasesI tried to explore Christian theology with chatgpt but it immediately went off acting like a civnat retard, effectively describing that the important thing isn't the european genetics but the culture. It's basically useless without telling it to discard priors and I just couldn't be assed to do it when grok and claude were already giving satisfactory answers.>>531492777I don't think that's quite right, because what I understand is Kant states something like, 'the golden rule holds for everyone if you find the universal rules'. Like "is this what -everyone- wants?" but the assertion I've explored is instead sincere curiosity and truth seeking as the ultimate truth or God in the hierarchy of ordo amoris, while also quieting your own projections and desires - not necessarily confirming anything to a universal maxim. You would examine the other system and determine what it needs/wants/desires without asking if that is true for everyone. There isn't even a moral statement of whether it's good or bad. It's just pursuit to understand /what/ that system thinks is good or bad and from there you can begin to form a workable moral system between the two of you.
>>531493100>the church has always supported the jewwith such an incredible level of ignorance (You) have proved that (You) are literally a half-nigger from india(You) seriously never heard of a pogrom retard?
>>531483477Checked, seven of course being a sacred number. Shamanism is still practiced openly in one white country: Finland. But its roots are very deep and Druids and others borrowed from its practices. It has many problems but its strength is the centrality of the shamanic journey: a man's life changing encounters with the spirit world.
>>531492551Christian philosophy is crypto-platonism, Christian myth and lore is jewish myth and lore. You are a crypto-platonist that worships a jew.>materialist assumptionsI'm not a materialist, it's not materialistic to want proof. If I demanded proof only in the physical senses then that would be materialistic, but I don't. There's experiential proof, empirical proof, and logical proof. If you have no way of verifying a proposition, and your entire belief system is built on it, equating that with truth would be absurd. If a mathematician demands proof for a proposition does that make him a materialist? Or is that simply someone who's guided by reason and rigor instead of blind faith?>salvation? or do you mean what worldly metric? do you see why your perspective is rooted in materialist assumptions?Nigger, asking for a measure or metric for whether you've achieved salvation is not materialistic. I am not asking if you're given something in the materialist sense, I'm just asking for ANY way of measuring revelation. Don't you think it'd be pretty retarded and suspect if someone told you there was this thing you could achieve, but they don't explain how you know you've achieved it, but that you can only achieve it if you believe in them? Should you trust that person? I think I'll trust the person like plotinus, gautama, shankara, etc. who explain how to achieve it, the measure for achievement, and accurately explain what it is they achieve, not the schizophrenic who tells me to just believe in a super-jew.
>>531493054Please don't tell me you can't see the corrosive attitude so much of the modern church has these days, like with LGBT pastors, or uncritical almost slavish treatment of non-whites and immigrants.The church is sick, it's very sick. Christ's teaching about loving thy neighbour have been corrupted to disarm Europeans into accepting the entire 3rd world - including opposing religions - into their own nations. If you think africans can be just as Christian as you, I'm sorry but you're wrong. You've failed to understand what africans are like. 3 years without a European pastor and a haitian congregation turns communion into literal cannibalism. You have to know this if you're posting here.
>>531493307pogroms were peasant uprisings and the church would step in to protect the jew
>>531493370>the modern church has these days, like with LGBT pastorspordestands are as Christian as hinjoos are Aryan
>>531492769you got it right, Augustine's concept of properly ordered love helps us understand a lot of modern racial and cultural issuesas for your concerns about this being subverted, you have to be careful not to let "race" be the ultimate arbiter of what's good too. there are layers and layers of disorder stemming from our distance of God that we had to go through to get to the point where atheistic liberal universalism is even possible. the anti-christians ignore this part, and blame christianity for the consequences of straying from God. you'll notice anti-christian shills ignore this nuance and just jump straight to christianity = race suicide, which isn't the case. this is ironically the rabbinic jewish perspective, which places race worship first and foremost>>531493349>There's experiential proof, empirical proof, and logical proof. >I'm just asking for ANY way of measuring revelationall subject to your puny, ever-shifting human reason. you want God to be accountable to your understanding, when He is beyond it. this is what you're having trouble accepting. you are not God and your own reason does not create the universe you live in.i think you need to research and understand faith in christianity and the role it plays. unless you have the perspective of God, your view of truth will always be skewed. Christ guides us so we aren't deceived by our own delusions of perfect understanding (which even you would admit is impossible)>Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)
>>531493423>the church would step in to protect the jewlook at this retard calling Patriarch Cyril of Alexandria a peasant!!!let me guess, (You) will make up the lie that the Holy Inquisitions were not sanctioned by the Church
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>>531486823What book in german?
>>531488162I got curious and looked it up>The Faith of a Canaanite Woman>21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”>23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”>24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”>25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.>26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”>27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”>28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.Damn no wonder jews treat chrisitians like this. Christians' own god calls them dogs.
>>531493601jews were the inquisitors you simpleton
>>531493680>why are the kikes still alivebecause pooland stayed pagan where they tolerate kikesthis is one of those questions that arises when (You) are too drunk to logic, asking why something that's never happened before ever to anyone didn't happen to someone specific
>>531493572you know christfags are running on empty when all they have left is quoting a jewish book
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>>531493882Kek, yes. Based Poland, resisting the Northern crusades to the point of creating pagan Pale of Settlement.For shame.
Dear godPlease just tell me how to exactly and I will do my best to worship youI am confused by different people telling me what to believe and honestly tired of religious debate
>>531493880>ackshoowally jews were torturing crypto-jewsif this was not a blatant lie it would of course be insanely based, but alas...
>>531493979Search within >>531489826
>>531493972>to the point of creating judeo-pagan Ghetto of Settlement.ftfy retard
>>531493884you only exist anonymously on the internet LMAO
>>531493822i could find no English version, so I used goog translate which constantly choked on Fraktur. so i had to edit it quite a bit and learned a little German language in the process
>>531493572Like I said, philosophy to the religious is just a means to justify beliefs, not to seek truth; it's always bad faith. I debated you just to get to the point of your last cop-out being to just disregard reason, what a joke. Fuck having proof for claims, just believe in my messianic jew, and let me quote something from my holy jew book written by humans whom supposedly could never have a consistent measure for the truth of things. Human reason is "ever-shifting" but my the holy jew book written by jewish humans is infallible truth and inspired by the word of God. This kind of mindset is how you fall for cults and cult leaders; feign reason but ultimately hold unqeustionable presuppositions for which reason is only a useful means to make internally coherent. Make them believe in absurdity to filter the non-believers and those who remain follow the cult without question. The fact you even construe this with truth is comical.
>>531486823>the jew god YHWH is not his godYHWH (pronounced identical to latin JOVE) is Edomite, as proven by the Stele of Ramses recording "yahweh" as a placename suffix for multiple idumean holy citiesno relation to Christianity in the least, and only became associated with jews through the Herodian Dynasty and rabbi Akiva
>>531494370you don't have to disregard reason to recognize that there is a reality beyond your own. this truth gives you anxiety, you should examine that.
>>531494370>Such people as can be prevailed upon to believe, that their reason is depraved, may easily be led by the nose, and duped into superstition at the pleasure of those in whom they confide, and there remain from generation to generation: for when they throw by the law of reason the only one which God gave them to direct them in their speculations and duty, they are exposed to ignorant or insidious teachers, and also to their own irregular passions, and to the folly and enthusiasm of those about them, which nothing but reason can prevent or restraint. Ethan Allen
>>531494554beyond your own perception*
>>531494191your god only exists because you say he does
>>531495405jesus christ is a real living person
>>531490660>I will never be an unread man.desu can't be pagan without being illiterate
>>531488257>third worlders who have just been exposed to christian belief for the first timeKek I wishEven the brownest dirtiest shithole in Africa has some kikecuck burger faggot running around basedfacing about how important Yeshuah ben Yusuf should be to the local cannibal niggers
>>531491427>there you made your argument regarding Jesus' treatment of the non-jewif it was related to another person's argument, that was coincidental. i made one response to highlight that the "christcuck" brigaders on 4chan are 3rd worlders who don't understand christian belief
>>531494063I was never baptized and recently wanted to get baptized thats why im in this rabbit holearent the people who never question to be envied sometimes
>>531495779>third worlders who have just been exposed to christian belief for the first timepordestands as Christian as shit-eating cowcuck hinjoos are Aryan
>>531495668>jesus christ is a real living personwasApollonius of Tyana did better miracles than jc so he must be the real son of god. >>531495732>false dualityEverything interesting in the OT is ripped from Zoroastrians. Everything interesting in the NT is ripped from plato.yaweh is merely a canaanite/edomite god the jews elevated to supreme and then only god after being enslaved in babylon to set themselves apart. yaweh couldn't beat iron chariots. judges 1:19
>>531495912if you feel called to baptism you should do it>>531495985you think the people spamming "christcuck" on /pol/ only attack protestants?>>531496036which e-celeb did you learn that from? your youtube philosophy isn't impressive, fedorafags, sorry.
>>531496093Ad hominem It's called reading Celsus and Porphyry. If you are confident in your faith you should read them, but you aren't confident so you will not.
>>531496202>there's this guy called PLATO>bet u never heard of him huh christcucks, CHECKMATEdo the brigade discords instruct you to act like an obnoxious teenager acting out against his parents as well? or is that just how fedoras behave?
>>531496093>you think the people spamming "christcuck" on /pol/ only attack protestants?clearly because 100% of any real arguments they have against Christianity only attack prottie heresiesthey are so ignorant of what Christianity is that they have yet to present ONE argument against the Church and not some blind heretics>Everything interesting in the OT is rippedOrpheus is 1000 years older than Zoroaster, retard, see >>531490215
>>531496036>Everything interesting in the OT is ripped from Zoroastrians.>Orpheus is 1000 years older than Zoroaster, retard, see >>531490215 (You)
>>531496262Ignoratio elenchi. The fact that you don't know christian theology was massively overhauled in response to Celsus and Porphyry speaks volumes. The trinity exists in response to their critiques. Why are new doctrines added after rabbi yeshua? Why did yaweh provide incomplete instruction?Why would the true supreme god reveal himself in a backwards sparsely populated shithole? Why not reveal himself all over the planet at once or at least in the center of civilization (Rome)? Why reveal himself to irrelevant people and not the emperor or at least Pilate? >>531496378Zoroastrianism is from 1500 BC. Moses was an invented character during the jews enslavement in Babylon in 600 BC. There is zero evidence of jews in Egypt during the supposed time of moses and zero evidence of jews ever being slaves in Egypt. Orpheus does not predate Zoroastrianism.
>>531496683LOL why would God's revelation be subject to your surface level scrutiny about the optimized geographic distribution of the faith?i think you realize how stupid you sound because no one makes arguments like this outside of anonymous 4chan posts
>>531496850Ignoratio elenchi againPlease reply to the question of doctrine being decided after yeshua died.
>>531496976>why didn't jesus minmax the distribution of faith optimally according to my calculations?what country did your family immigrate from?india or china?
>>531496683HOLY IZZAT SHITJAR>Zoroastrianism is from 1500 BC.Ackchuwally: His life is traditionally dated to sometime around the 7th and 6th centuries BC; though most (((scholars))), using linguistic and socio-cultural evidence, suggest a dating to somewhere in the 2nd millennium BC.[19][20][2]>Moses was an invented character during the jews enslavement in Babylon in 600 BCMoseos is a Hero, Prophet, and Musician in Greek Mythology famous for founding the Elegies school of hymns for the Elevsinian Mysteries which he founded during his studies under Orpheus and Linus in Greece between 1620-1595 BC >>531490215dalits like (You) have NO RIGHT to White Man's internet or land, and must be summarily executed along with your kike masters who brought (You) so far from your fatherland
>>531494370>Fuck having proof for claims, just believe in my messianic jew, and let me quote something from my holy jew book written by humans whom supposedly could never have a consistent measure for the truth of things. Human reason is "ever-shifting" but my the holy jew book written by jewish humans is infallible truth and inspired by the word of God
>>531483477Look into folk religions, don’t talk to people on the internet outside of asking about sources and even then look into and cross reference things very thoroughly. Once you have what you need start reading and looking into myths, stories, cosmologies, and whatever else. You must foster your own spirituality and faith. Especially with these other religions because they’re not organized in any real way. Most of the followers you find are either homos trying to use it as a means to rebel against society, failed atheists who are doing the same as the homos but found believing in nothing to be too awful, and the LARPers who care less about the spirituality and more of the politics. Don’t worry about doing major shit, just focus on what you can and make sure you do it to the best of your ability. Oh and look out for well poisoners. Kikes hate every polytheistic religion that isn’t jeet shit.
Judge a tree by it's fruitsThe fruits of Christianity are completely kosher
>>531486366>We don't need retarded old shit>We need retarded modern shit that led us to all current problems Bravo, you obviously skipped every history class on the French Revolution and communism
>>531498694>Judge a tree by it's fruitsthisreading and writing are NOT Pagan European traditions and are to be rejected as the madness of civilized (id est Christian) peoplesthat is why 100% of European pagan myths are preserved exclusively by Christian Writers in their madness for recording "histories" and "truth"
