Do Libertarians oppose speed limits?
>>531484420I oppose the existence of federally maintained roadways in general
Some do and some don't and for some it's nuanced. But it's not a high priority. Ask any libertarian to list 10 policies that should be implemented and unless someone's trolling you none will mention speed limits.
>>531484420Yes, speed limits are a violation of the NAPBlowing through a school zone at 100mph is not
speed limits are a part of having a road in the first placegoing 10000mph wears the road down faster
>>531484420I did 187mph on that road, ama and I won't answer shit.
>>531484420Yes.The state shouldn't regulate how fast I want to go and my risk tolerance.The only regulation I support is taking off the road people too scared to go above 160 km/h on a dry road with a clear view ahead. They don't have to always drive at that speed, but if you can't, then stay home.
>>531484420HUH? WHAT?>NYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>531485194I would.
>>531484527How do you go from one state to another?
>>531487842None of your god damned business jamboy.
>>531484420No for inner urban areas with too many brown people driving Yes for country highways.
>>531484420>be mutt road signage>tldr>zoom zoomwhy are you niggers so verbose?
>>531485767Yeah and defoo anyone who dosen't agree with our polycentric laws.
>>531484420The private road owners can just charge the slow drivers more for staying on the road longer. That's how real capitalism fixes the traffic problem.
>>531484420Libertarianism is a nice idea until you realize that it depends on other people being decent human beings.
>>531492164Staying on the road longer doesn't degrade it faster, depending on weight and torque of the vehicle they'll do it to a different extent. The private road owner will charge a small economy box less and F150 if it's a pure economy question.
>>531484420no because they believe that roads should be private and therefore the owners should be allowed to set whatever rules or limitations that they desire
>>531484420Absolutely. Didn't read a single reply either
>>531484420speed suggestions*
>>531492287Libertarianism is garbage which is why we chose a Republic.
Why would a libertarian accept public roads?
>>531484420I oppose government imposed speed limits, and also I oppose government owned roads. But if a private owner of a road wants to limit the speed he allows people to drive on it, that's his business.>>531487842In a free society most land will be either privately owned or owned potentially owned by the local community, depending on the prevailing opinions on how property rights work. So moving from one region (not states, serious libertarians oppose states on principle) to another is moving from one person's property to another, or from one community's property to another. How that happens is between yourself and the other parties involved. Forced integration between communities is a violation of property rights.
>>531492287>Libertarianism is a nice idea until you realize that it depends on other people being decent human beings.It absolutely doesn't. In fact it's far more retardproof than any sort of government, which inevitably empowers retards, while libertarianism simply allows them to fail.
>>531492878>I'll mind my own business, and you mind yoursSounds good right? Except what if the other guy wants to harm you? You're giving him the first shot for free.
>>531484420WHEN YOU BUILD YOUR OWN ROADS YOU CAN GO ANY SPEED YOU WANT
>>531484420Whoever builds the road gets to set a speed limit if they want. If you don't like it, build your own road.
>>531493048>Sounds good right?You fundamentally misunderstand libertarianism. >Except what if the other guy wants to harm you? You're giving him the first shot for free.Libertarians aren't pacifists. If you actually want to know what the Libertarian solution to this problem is, I'd suggest reading Hans-Hermann Hoppe's "The Private Production of Defense" https://cdn.mises.org/The%20Private%20Production%20of%20Defense_3.pdfOr listen to the audiobook if you are too braindead to readhttps://mises.org/podcasts/private-production-defense
>>531492878>It absolutely doesn't. In fact it's far more retardproof than any sort of governmentThe only reason why you’re not a slave in the mines working 18 hour days, your mom having died in a fire inside factory, all food you can even get being 70% inedible, the envirnoment being completely destroyed beyond repair, etc. is because governments exist to stop companies from fucking over the world and society as a whole.If there were no corporate regulations that you cum in your pants think about, companies would 100% make Brave New World look like a children’s book. If Mr. Nepostein, CEO of MegaCorpo given to him by his father at birth and has an IQ of a toaster, so much as thought that kidnapping and putting you in a torture simulator that gives the sensation that your skin is being peeled off while lemon juice and salt pelt your exposed muscle would have a net profit of 1/10th of a penny (they think it’s profit, doesn’t matter if it is or not), Mr Nepostein would immediately kidnap you without hesitation.And no, this isn’t me making anything up (besides specifically the torture stuff. But only because such simulations don’t exist yet). Companies without government restrictions have caused wars, genocides, enslaved people, poisoned food supplies, cause mass deaths from lack of safety guides, destroyed the environment, etc.If you actually paid attention in history class (which btw would absolutely not be offered under lolbertarianism), you’d probably have known about some of this stuff.
>>531484527Right, private conpanies will definitely take care of it, probably for free, too!If history has taught us anything, it's that giant, faceless corporations will definitely not hardfuck you over to squeeze every single red cent out of you to be just a bit more wealthier in the coming, dystopian hellscape, friend.
>>531494317>The only reason why you’re not a slave in the mines working 18 hour days, your mom having died in a fire inside factory, all food you can even get being 70% inedible, the envirnoment being completely destroyed beyond repair, etc. is because governments exist to stop companies from fucking over the world and society as a whole.Just like you, I learned that in school where a government employed parental surrogate told me how great the government was for the first couple decades of my life. It's actually bullshit and in reality private entities are actually much better about protecting people's rights than the group that robs and threatens us all the time. The supposed horrors of the industrial revolution were caused by a massive expansion in the population at the time and there literally wasn't enough to go around, and as capitalism took off people's standards of living naturally improved, and companies started competing for labor by improving conditions. The government stepped in after the problem had already been 99% solved and outlawed the things that were already mostly gone and took credit for fixing the problem.>Companies without government restrictions have caused wars, genocides, enslaved people, poisoned food supplies, cause mass deaths from lack of safety guides, destroyed the environment, etc.So you're saying that companies are sometimes as bad as governments always are? Because those things are normally the exclusive province of government.>If you actually paid attention in history class (which btw would absolutely not be offered under lolbertarianism), you’d probably have known about some of this stuff.I did pay attention in history class and I believed it for a long time, it was actually a deeper study of history that led to me realizing that the problem wasn't too much freedom.
>>531494403>Right, private conpanies will definitely take care of it, probably for free, too!Do you think government roads are free? Do you not pay taxes?
>>531494642No I don't that's for faggots
>>531494768They still steal your savings through inflation. You're still paying for it.
>>531494642We all pay taxes for common good (including your beloved kik- "job creators"). Do you think the government or the private industry will restrict you from services, first?Education, emergency services, roads, regulatory/standards, etc. they'd serve up to you without profit being the biggest factor, because...?
>>531495293>We all pay taxes for common good (including your beloved kik- "job creators").No, we pay taxes because the government threatens us. If that weren't the case nobody would pay taxes. Taxes aren't donations.>Do you think the government or the private industry will restrict you from services, first?Gee, which is more likely to take my money and not provide services, the firm that just takes my money at gunpoint or the firm that doesn't?>Education, emergency services, roads, regulatory/standards, etc. they'd serve up to you without profit being the biggest factor, because...?They'd do it for a profit, you disingenuous piece of shit. You're engaging in a question begging fallacy, but you're so inept and stupid you just baked in the obvious answer. They'd be for profit businesses, and consequently they'd actually have an incentive to do their fucking jobs instead of just telling you to fuck off if you don't like the service you're getting. In a free market people would respond to the sort of service the government provides by just taking their business elsewhere, instead of just voting harder and getting the same shit but worse every year.
If private schools, private stores, private clinics and private cellular establishments can work, who's to say that private road won't?Anything private is much more defined by the owner of the property than it would be if it is public, I would imagine that a private owner of a road would not have any bullshit speed limits since he's way more concerned with the volume of the customers, so he needs people to be in and out of the road. Plus, I can see some really good optional packages on a private road like you pay premium in an event that your car breaks down, you will get assistance on the spot, also if there would be a crash, a private owned road will sure as shit have multiple toad trucks ready to clear the incident quickly, making the private road more efficient. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a2EhgADVFYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOPR3VgGa1Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IndA0kPTDPI
Would you prefer:>a) no speed limits, but crashing into something/someone is punished as harshly as if you had grabbed a hammer and done the same damage intentionally by hand>b) current system, you must drive like a cuck at all times but running people over and getting into traffic accidents is freeb certainly makes more sense to me, not to insurance companies tho they don't give a shit if you go to prison they just see shekels
>>531495687They might have a minimum speed limit.
>>531492287The majority of (white) people are decent enough by default and the vast majority is extremely decent when everybody is armed.
>>531495527>Gee, which is more likely to take my money and not provide services?>...because I gave them my money!Are you kidding? You think giving a company money means they won't provide you with restricted access or subpar goods? Ever hear of planned obsolescence? Throttled service? Forced arbitration? Denied claims? Thankfully, we have a government provided court system and regulatory services as some form, even if minor, relief from pure, human avarice and unchained stockholder theory.
>>531495780>They might have a minimum speed limit.Sure, but I don't think any privately owned road will have a minimum speed at 30mph, I can see a minimum of 45-50, might depend on the area or if it's a highway.If I owned a road, I will most definitely want people to drive as fast as possible to their exit, so I can make more money.
>>531484420Hi lol :)
>>531492520Libertarian doesn't mean no government, it means a government that is naturally small and hands off, especially when it comes to peoples personal lives. It also doesn't mean that public things cannot exist. It's not anarchism.A one and done, be back in a couple years to fix it kind of deal is hard to argue against. Especially without the blue pigs patrolling to act as a supplementary tax man.It doesn't even have to be a mandatory thing with taxes. The government can just send a mediator to help homes and businesses to come together to decide how they want their roads.
>>531494403in japan the highways are privately owned and much better maintained than amerigolem commieroads
>>531496011>I get bad service from government enforced cartels/monopolies with no competition>this is the free market's faultYou're blaming the free market for problems the government caused, and then demanding that we give the government more power. Politicians are not a bunch of noble selfless heroes who do good for goodness sake. They're as self interested as everyone else, but unlike everyone else they don't need to offer things people want in order to make money.>>531496074I there are a lot of factors that would go into the operation of a private road, and if we were ever in a free society we'd probably be surprised by the innovations that would happen in that market. Also by a minimum speed limit I mean the limit on how slow you're allowed to go, not how fast. I phrased that kinda weird.>>531496267>It's not anarchism.A lot of libertarians are anarchists in principle and merely accept that the state does exist and we cannot get rid of it for now, so we need to figure out how to minimize the damage it does.
>>531492752It's just government with extra steps.
>>531494902I don't work as well I fuck women good enough they pay for my lifestyle niggers have the right idea
>>531495687>private schools, private stores, private clinics and private cellular But they don't, not in any meaningful way. You're either ignoring the fact that a lot of this shit either gets heavily government subsidies (private clinics/private cellular), benefits from government r&d/infrastructure (private clinics/private schools/private cellular), or are the only option, so you assume they're the best (private cellular). Do you not remember how fucking bad early cellular sucked when it came to coverage and overpricing of services like text messaging ('can you hear me now?')? Do you know who provided you with shit like GPS and laid most of the fiber optic in our country? Did you know almost every city with a government MAN/WAN wifi loves that shit? Did you know that 98% of private clinics rely on medicare (especially rural)?I could go on all day about their vast discrepancies in your logic, here.There is a reason most teenagers grow out of libertarianism...And I don't even know why private stores were included. Short of abandoning capitalism, entirely, no one has a problem with private retail selling goods. We're talking about services you essentially need for a developed, first world society.Profit should never be the top priority. Do you want a mercenary military, next?
>>531496377We oppose states, which are territorial monopolies on aggression. We're not actually opposed to government per se, we are just opposed to non-consensual government. If a government were agreed to by all of its citizens, then we'd have no problem with it at all.>>531496441Wow, you're just determined to be fucking retarded.
>>531496306You done cherry-picking, or do you want to really think about if the number one country for road quality is publicly or privately maintained?https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/road-quality-by-countryhttps://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltagov/en.htmlI honestly don't even understand how Libertarians can still exist after laissez-faire was a thing.>b-b-but the government helped corporations fuck over people!Yes, if given the opportunity the private sector will seek to lobby, control, and corrupt the government that is supposed to regulate them. Who would've guessed such 'benevolent' entities would be so subversive...?
>>531496521And you'll forever be determined to be a good goy who'd like nothing more than the transfer of power from the masses and into the hands of a small group of wealthy, overly represented individuals.Here is a question I like to pose most libertarians:Do you think it's more likely that public corrupts private, or that private corrupts public?
>>531496441>But they don't, not in any meaningful wayThey work as they are intended to work.You go to a store, grab the item you desire, give the cash to the cashier, and everybody wins, it's as voluntary as it gets.You value the item you wanted more than the currency you are holding, the store owner values the currency more than the item he's holding, a literal win win.>You're either ignoring the fact that a lot of this shit either gets heavily government subsidies (private clinics/private cellular), benefits from government r&d/infrastructure (private clinics/private schools/private cellular)That has nothing to do with open markets, once government is involved that's cronyism capitalism.>Do you not remember how fucking bad early cellular sucked when it came to coverage and overpricing of services like text messaging ('can you hear me now?')?Yes I remember, and the markets reacted to it.>Do you know who provided you with shit like GPS and laid most of the fiber optic in our country? Did you know almost every city with a government MAN/WAN wifi loves that shit? Did you know that 98% of private clinics rely on medicare (especially rural)?You are implying that government alone can only provide services to community, I'm not saying that government can't, what I'm saying is that private business are much more sufficient at doing whatever the government does. >Do you want a mercenary military, next?As it should be, since we as a nation can form militias, private militaries are way more cheaper than established ones.
>>531496863>Do you think it's more likely that public corrupts private, or that private corrupts public?If we are talking about a truly free open markets, without any government interference, also were companies from around the world can come here and compete, than hand's down the public sector.
>>531484420UnrelatedI find it bizarre that this (low effort low quality) image was saved onto someones hard drive. Even more bizarre is the image being reposted in a 1pbtid slide thread. Especially given the source of the image. Is this bot work or are you whistling at me?The next "it's time" thread will be posted in June. Take care <3
