I've been on the bone marrow registry for yearsI recently got another random call and was told I was a match for a man in his early 60s with myelodysplastic syndrome. I asked ai and ai said if he doesn’t get a transplant from someone he will probably die within the next couple of years possibly sooner. I said yes and im supposed to give a small sample of blood again in a few days. I can still change my mind and back out.I'm a match, it seems like I might be the only match as I gave a sample of my dna years ago and blood 6 months ago for testing. I don’t have AIDS, im healthy, young, a mix of various European ethnicities and don’t engage in risky activities that could disqualify me like sex with whores, needles, etc .No I will not be getting paid. Im an agnostic atheist but I guess I lean slightly towards theism, I find it hard to believe I will receive any reward in this life or the next life from God .Should I save this Boomer's life or let him die?I'm not being paid to save his life and im pretty sure it will be anonymous neither i or the boomer will ever know each other’s names although im not 100% sure about that part. I don’t know who this man is it’s possible he’s not a terrible guy but I think most people his age are…
>>531637295Im not sure if dessert is true or not. Im not sure of moral responsibility or retributivism is true . So I don’t know that it’s good to get “revenge “ just for the sake of revenge. It seems like hate is irrational but so is love too? Even if hate, revenge, dessert is false maybe it’s best to pretend and act like they are true? Kind of like how if someone does not believe in free will or is agnostic on if free will exists they should still pretend and act like themselves and others have free will so they are more productive and persistent? Also if the boomer doesn’t deserve to be left for dead because dessert, revenge etc is false / immoral then don’t I also not deserve to be punished for not saving him? >why let him die? What will that achieve?It will prevent any future evil from being done by him for example his house he is presumably living in and occupying which could go to a young person once he dies him squatting longer means higher housing prices for people who don’t have a home yet and want to buy one, prevent him from buying more factory farmed meat and paying for more animal torture, probably retired or soon to be retired and consuming more housing, food, etc causing inflation.I posted this same thread https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/516132971/#q516132971 about 6 months ago and I gave a sample of blood and everything but I was ultimately told I did not need to donate stem cells or bone marrow, I wasn’t told why but it could have been because that time they found someone else to donate or something they didn’t give an exact reason.
Do you know who he voted for
I don't get calls like that. Because I didn't randomly sign up to give my bone marrow away to a stranger.
>>531637402No
last thread got to 200+ replies so might as well just im case
>>531637295IF you signed up for the registry then I would say inside you did it for a moral reason you already know the answer
Relative born with cf. His mom died before she turned 17 of methadone od. His dad wasn't in the picture. 70yo great grandfather adopted him as a baby. That old man took care of him like a pro. At 14 his lungs were failing. If it wasn't for a donor he couldn't have his double lung transplant and would have died within weeks. He's turning 21 this year. Funny thing, his first operation was cancelled due to freak ice storm and days later he got another call to get a different set of lungs. Yeah, no matter who it is it would be a life changing thing if you can give like that. It means more than you know. Every year on Christmas Eve I light a candle for his donor. A part of whoever that was lives on. The greatest gift.
>>531637690This, if there’s a chance you save some kids grandpa do it.
>>531637690This.
>>531637690That was many years ago and I have learned a lot since then . I think a big part of the reason why was because I believed I would be rewarded by God / “the universe “ for donating. But now I’m much much less certain of that and think I probably won’t be.Im not opposed to actual charity if it’s going to people that deserve it like very young children, animals, or adults who are very good people , even if there’s absolutely no reward worldly or not.
>>531637295This boomer faggot must die
>>531637295pray he isn't jewish. you have black in you if so
>>531637797Give me a break… just because someone has children and or grandchildren doesn’t mean much to me. There’s plenty of extremely evil people who have lots of kids and grandchildren. I may never get to have a single child because the world and the society i am in is so messed up and I blame boomers a lot for that.
>>531638044I’ve taken a DNA test before and im 100% European and no im not Jewish
>>531637295>I turn my thumb downLET THE BOOMER DIE.
>>531637295Save his life son. It's the most important thing you can do in your life.
>>531637295Save his life anon it’s the right thing to do if you have an opportunity to save your fellow man you should take it. Maybe one day you too will need help and someone will help you make the world a better place fren
>>531638100>>531637960I lean towards this but part of me still wants to donate because I can’t fully shake the feeling that I may be “blessed” if I donate (by God). In general I think im too optimistic or cowardly or whatever. No one is perfectly rational of course
>>531637295Of course you save someone's life if you have the opportunity to do so, it's just being a good person. Human beings should help one another.
>>531638190Who says I will even live long enough to develop a condition like this? I have not had an easy life and every day is a struggle in which im on thin Ice
Find out who he is to determine if he deserves it. If he doesn't then make him pay you directly for it and do the donation in some backwater Mexican hospital. Your results may vary
asking /pol/ for moral guidance is not a smart thing to do
>>531637295he's obviously not one of the bad boomers since he can't afford to jump the queue, give him the marrow op he could be based and redpilled for all you know
I haven't met a boomer who wasn't a deranged asshole
>>531637295Go fuck yourself. This is a stupid ass thread. You're not in any kind of position having power over life or death like you imagine.
>>531638332I agree but I think most normies and even most philosophy professors are not much better . So much hypocrisy and double standards and almost everyone is so fake
>>531638375What makes you think that? I think regardless of his income or wealth he would get marrow or stem cells the same way . He could be extremely wealthy or pretty poor
>>531637295Make him sign a pledge condemning Zionism and saying he'll always boycott Israel for the rest of his life. The exact opposite of the anti-BDS legislation his generation has enacted in most US states. If he won't sign, then let him die.
>>531637295I would, were I you. Not all lives deserve to be saved but since we cannot know the innermost depths of someone's thoughts, we must assume that they do. Innocent until proven guilty, thus be the boomer deserving of life until earning death.
>>531638267You never know anon I never expected to get sick myself bad things sometimes happen. You should save him tho not for selfish reasons but because it is the correct thing to do we are only here for a short while very few of us get the opportunity to save a life. I think that is very badass anon you would be a real hero save grandpa he deserves it we all do.
>>531638432I can think of a few but I don’t know them very well so I can’t say for certain.>>531638456Why do you say that? It’s possible that someone else has similar dna to him besides me yes but it’s also possible I’m the only available donor for him
>>531637295You are going to let someone die because jewish divide and conquer shills taught you to hate boomers?This place needs to wake up to Christ, fast.
>>531638603Even Jeffery Epstein? Obviously that’s an extreme example but if Jeff doesn’t deserve to be saved then there must be some point in which someone doesn’t deserve to be saved .
>>531637295This is some reddit tier am I the asshole nonsense. Truly in the top 10 of brain rot
>>531637295Digits say let em die
>>531638811Well its settled
>>531638591We can’t know for 100 percent certain sure, people are a product of environment, genetics and also maybe free will and it’s impossible to know for certain when someone does something like murder how much if any of the murder was a result of their will. But assumptions can be made. Giving everyone the benefit of the doubt is impractical we can’t empty all the prisons. Not guilty by reason of insanity exists
>>531638899>>531638811Well shit hes dead
>>531637295I'm on that same list and they wanted my bone marrow for some jew in NYC and I said no jews. They took me off the list even after I said find me a kid or something. Probably more Kars for Kids type shit.
>>531637295Save him, op.
>>531638710I think Christianity is probably false and even if it were true it’d almost certainly be a very liberal version of it, scriptural inerrancy is clearly false. The Catholic Church is full of intellectual issues like infallible contradictions and Eastern Orthodox is not that much better
>>531638988How do you know he was Jewish? I think they just want my stem cells. I agree Kars for kids is a scam but I think this is different . Not all Jews are evil but some are especially in a place like nyc
>>531638748If he lived he could have given testimony to lock up a lot of powerful people. His victims didn’t get justice with his death I would say he deserved to die but it didn’t bring any real closure to the matter. I don’t believe in killing people as evil as they are if you kill someone you snuff out all potential they ever could have both good and bad potential. Maybe that boomer still has some potential I’m sure if someone saves his life he will use that potential for good. I am not the one making the decision you are if you can live with yourself for the role you play in his death if you don’t do it then that is your burden. Personally I wouldn’t want that burden it’s best to be good in this world
>>531637295You said yes already so follow through and don't be a scumbag.
>>531637450You can always contact the desperate family and name a price.
>>531637295Ask if you can talk to the boomer. Meet him. See if you like him. Then make your choice.
>>531637295Do the math, OP. You're white, so you're donating to a white guy. Figure that out of 100 white people, 90 are decent folks; you might not be best friends with them if you met them, but they'd be someone you could get along with and who would be a good neighbor. So odds are 90% that you're helping extend the life of someone who isn't a scumbag.You aren't being selected as a donor to a black male, who would have roughly 20% odds of being a felon, 50% odds of sitting back and doing nothing while you're getting beaten to death by a pack of ferals, and 80% chance of hating whitey.
>>531637295If you're going to be on a donor list you might as well do it. At least your karma will be good.And MDS is shit, I have MM and wouldn't trade with the dude for anything.
>>531639156Testimony? He got WEEKENDS in jail time . He should have been executed for treason after given death penalty in his trial because he’s clearly working as intelligence.I’m very skeptical of the “victims “ many were adults or almost adults and I do not think adult women prostitites are victims. Yes some of his victims were extremely young and that’s very bad but he’s still dead so what do they want? The people they were trafficked to to also die ? The Epstein files were released and literally nothing happened >>531639307I didn’t take an oath , promise or put in writing I would give my stem cells. It’s still pretty early in the process >>53163934490? That seems insanely high . I think some felons are decent people too , technically it’s a felony to burn down an abortion clinic for example even if no one is inside
>>531639479I seriously doubt karma exists
He could die even with the transplant. Norm Macdonald had several transplants, still died. What's the downside for you? Do it, if he deserves to die, he'll die
>>531639327Says absolutely no contact direct or indirect is allowed before transplant day
>>531639487Why wouldn’t they also want the other people that abused them to have justice? Honestly you sound like a scumbag anon
>>531637295Vax status?If you got the covid vax, nobody wants your damn bone marrow.
>>531639639Why on earth would you assume that? You really think we live in a just world? Are you out of your mind
>>531637295HAHAHAHAfuck that.
>>531639760I am a pure blood
>>531637295there is a > 0,01% chance you'll have your day ruined or have side effects from this procedure, therefore:FUCK THIS STUPID BOOMER!!! FUCK HIM AND ALL OF HIS FAMILYcharity in modern days is despicable. There is a higher than 80% chance that he is either a nig, spic or MOST LIKELY, A FUCKING KIKE LOVING BOOMERIf I donated I'd make sure to get aids before I do, since you're clearly a loser with nothing to live for anyways. And a phag who lets 4chan decide your health+moral decisions
>>531637295dependsif he's an Xer, save himif he's a boomer, bail at the last minute, lol
>just give us your bone marrowFUCKTHAT
>>531637295Seems to me you already made your decision when you register to be a donor. Either that or you are an idiot.
>>531639825>There is a higher than 80% chance that he is either a nig, spic or MOST LIKELY, A FUCKING KIKE LOVING BOOMEROr Bruce Campbell.
>>531637921Congratulations. You're on your way to actual faith. It has nothing to do with anticipating a reward; it is about doing the right thing with absolute confidence that it is, in fact, the right thing, and purely for the sake that it is the right thing. I suspect you already know the correct answer. You don't need our help anymore than God needs ours.
>>531639103You have to treat ALL jews as Bad jews until they figure out their satanic government. The reciipient was Andy Small. Who changed his name from Andrew Goldberg. I caught him
>>531639756It’s natural to want revenge. I just think you are changing the topic to him testifying against his co conspirators rather then the original question of is it good to save Jeff’s life . Why not argue in good faith and say you want him to live as long as possible even if he has already testified against everyone he knows so he has more time to repent or something
>>531639825I don’t think his race matters but he is white like me because he’s a match
>>531637295>>531637317no you shouldn't save his lifein fact you should kill yourself
>>531639934I am not sure moral realism is true or what objective moral facts are true if anyMy intuitions don’t tell me much they are all over the place
>>531639966How would you know the potential receipents name before you even donate . Lots of goys do not know how evil the elites are and are still decent people, if a poor powerless jew does not know that does not necessarily mean he is bad
>>531639767Are you autistic out of curiosity? What made you go on the registry to begin with? Most people on the list want to donate, otherwise they wouldn't register to be on a list. You may not be emotionally mature enough to be on a donor registry. Take yourself off and spare yourself. Life does not need to be this hard. See a psychiatrist if you need to, when you get your shit together, you can rejoin.
>>531639977If he would have testified it would have been good he also deserved to rot in prison to pay his debt to the victims and to society. It wasn’t justice that he was murdered by Trump that was done to keep the full truth from coming out. It seems you are changing the subject to distract away from your initial question in the thread. You just want to argue like some debate pedophile
>>531640307Okay well in that case this man who needs my stem cells deserves to pay his debt to his victims and to society. Statistically speaking he is almost certainly not vegan and has almost certainly caused many extra animals to be tortured in factory farms and who knows what else . Why not throw most obgyn’s in prison for mutilating and sexually assaulting baby boys
>>531640529Who gives a fuck?
>>531637295why would you put yourself on such a registry if you had such concerns? were you hoping it would be a beautiful 18 year old girl who would fall in love with you and worship you forever? are you that pathetic and naive?
>>531637295My sister’s fiance’s father was just diagnosed with the same condition and will likely need similar treatment. He is in his 60s and had to retire because of severe back pain, which turned out to be cancer. He was afraid to go to the hospital until his Medicare card arrived because he knew the costs could be devastating and might even cost him his home. He ended up putting the house in his son’s name in case things do take a turn for the worse. Some boomers really do look out for their children, while others will buy a Harley and brag about it while their kid's teeth are rotting out of their face. They're not all bad
>>531637295It’s retarded that you won’t be paid. His insurance should pay you at least $20k probably $50k
>>531637295LEt him die, if it were a kid I would consider it. But boomers? Fuck them. They are preying on your altruism to prolong their overly-extended lives. Since they love God so much, let them meet Him.
>>531640128The truth is OP is that there is no moral right left or in between in this world. The fact that you made a concise choice to sign a bone marrow registry "something I don't think i would do" says all that needs to be.
>>531640794I guess that would incentive people who are engaging in risky behaviors like gay sex, needles, etc to lie and say they are not doing risky stuff when they actually are
>>531637295If you didnt want to donate then why did you sign up for that shit in the first place, you wouldnt have this sort of moral dilemmas If you just stayed off that shit>Guys, guys, should I saved himYou sound like such a feminine psycho boasting about having power over that poor bastard, you should just kys youre annoying, like, only women second guess everything
>>531640681>>531640307Ironically having no empathy for animals is a sign of psychopathy. But I’m the one who needs to see a psychiatrist. Right………..
>>531637295You clearly signed up because you wanted to help people. Regardless of a change of faith or fear of god or whatever you have the opportunity to pull another person out of a really bad place. The world needs more of this especially now. No one can make you go through with it but remember at one point this was something you wanted. Helping save a life is a noble thing, regardless of religious or moral context. Giving a fuck about others is what makes us above animals.
To let a guilty man go free is a far lesser sin than dooming an innocent one. You don't know what this guy has or has not done in his life, you only know that he needs your help. Even if you don't believe in God you should do good because it is the right thing to do. Be a man, motherfucker.
>>531640529You should get some help anon
>>531637921>I have learned a lotYoure just a feminine faggot that constantly changes its personality as time goes by, this is purely woman traitYou are like a woman in that sense, you shouldnt trust anything you say or think, its mind blowing that you dont actually menstruate
Also, I love how everyone pretends that this place is a cesspool but look at all the decent fellas telling Mr. Sociopath to do the right thing.
>>531640966>Helping save a life is a noble thing, regardless of religious or moral context. Regardless of who that life belongs to? Even Jeffery Epstein? >Giving a fuck about others is what makes us above animals.I don’t have that much reverence for human life in particular. Animals do care about others. Many humans don’t care about others especially if they are far away or are non human animals or from a different tribe. The milgram experiment shows humans are still animals who can be cruel for no good reason. It’s not clear to me how two “animals below “humans”” could give birth to a “”human” above “animals “”
>>531640964Nah, theres plenty of psychos that never harmed animals
>>531640998Yes but isn’t there a difference between killing someone and just letting someone die? Charities like against malaria exist and can save a life for like five thousand dollars and almost no one bothers to save a 4 year old African child’s life they instead buy themselves luxuries
>>531641150>Even Jeffery Epstein?unfortunately I would say so....God. The Universe whatever wont care about your change of faith but will remember you signed your name To a Registry were chosen then by faith you denied your calling. Its your choice but what is done can not be undone rewritten or ever truly forgotten the universe will Recall(All) on the day of judgment.Who you help doesn't matter only that you did. It sets you apart from Jeffery
>>531641249Buying meat harms animals and almost all meat in the United States of America comes from factory farms
>>531641282Well at least that’s consistent. Saying I was chosen by faith is a bit odd though, did faith give some random man a deadly disease to test me? If I deserve to be punished by the universe for not donating then why doesn’t Jeffery deserve to be punished? Or is it not a punishment on the day of judgment and a more eastern orthodox type understanding?
>>531640964I am a vegan retard I would still save the life of a non vegan
>>531641150Animals dont care about other, theres a reason why animal is an insult, out of the many examples lions kill and eat little cubs, dogs kill little animals for no reason all the time and so on and so onTheres plenty of cats that would eat their own owners showing they just cared about getting food, saying something as deranged as ridiculous as "animals care about others" is peak mental retardation and a sign of mental illness
>>531641150>Regardless of who that life belongs to? Even Jeffery Epstein? I'm not gonna engage in whataboutism. Epstein was a monster but he still should've had his day in court. Not to prove his innocence but be served his punishment. Judging by your replies in this thread you seem like the type of person who doesn't stick to their convictions. That's a weakness. You can either help the guy or not that's your call but you have to live with the consequences of whatever choice you make. You should probably figure out which choice you'll regret the least or at the very least find your fucking balls.
>>531641418Why? There’s very good evidence that a single person buying meat (not every single purchase but if they purchase meat regularly for years) causes extra animals to be bred into existence and tortured on factory farms. That’s really bad
>>531641516Why do animals like eating meat if they care about others?
>>531641516Because being a vegan is about reducing suffering and I wouldn’t want some old guy suffering and dying just because of my diet you evil lunatic.
>>531641438My cat loves me how dare you
>>531641438Humans hunt animals and other humans for sport and lots of women have abortions. Humans do cannibalism too like 1972 Andes plane crash
>>531641254Yeah there's a difference. But that's not where you are anymore buddy. You're involved --nay-- scheduled to help this man. Don't fail to become hero(X)
>>531641594But if he lives an extra few decades that will almost certainly mean many more extra animals will suffer immensely in factory farms. How is that reducing suffering? Also what about rights violations not all vegans are utilitarians
>>531639693because of behavior EXACTLY like yours, correct.
>>531641702Humans are animals too and just like I wouldn’t kill an animal I wouldn’t kill a man.
>>531641397The man and his disease is his own test not yours. I wont link it but you said something about your faith in God/Universe would reward you.>>531637921 Here, To believe in anything requires faith.Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer. Behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation ten days. Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of Life.
>>531641757Okay but killing a man to prevent him from killing other men or animals? Or you would only kill a man to prevent him from killing other men but not other animals? Because that’s speciesist
>>531637295Save him
>>531641804Or after death it’s just lights out for everyone, no refunds and you just got scammed
>>531637295Anon whether or not the person you're donating to is a good person is irrelevant. 1. Removing bone marrow from your body will adversely affect your health regardless of what the doctors tell you2. (Most importantly) At some point, maybe even every point, in this process of removing your marrow, transporting it, and transplanting it, there will be a Jew profiting off your goodwill. None of these procedures are free or go undercharged. You are literally giving away your life essence so some kike can make money
>>531637295giving blood is a jew scheme, let him die.
>>531637295Congrats. You’re probably distantly related.
>>531637785Based
>>531641937It’s probably going to just be stem cells, there’s still risks but they seem to be small It is unfortunate that evil people (possibly Jewish) will profit off of this but I don’t think that’s a big deal
>>531641824I would like to think I wouldn’t kill anyone unless it’s to protect myself
>>531637295So it for your soul. I'm sure you've done enough shitty things in your life, need to balance things.
>>531642023That seems absurd to me. Why would you kill to protect yourself but not others and how is the world supposed to function if lots of people thought this way? I think there’s a reason jainism is such a tiny religion
>>531642073I’m pretty sure dessert is false although I think general dessert is more likely than specific dessert
>>531641997Why's you make this bait thread if you've obviously made up your mind beforehand? Make sure to donate your foreskin too next time and pay rabbi schlomostein for the privilege
>>531637295This isn't political you should ask this in /adv/
>>531641888P ∨ ¬P Where P is "something" can you prove it wrong Absolute Logical Nihilism
>>531642132I’m having second thoughts . I do think circumcision especially of infants is bad but I don’t really see the relevance
ill donate you $1000 in crypto if you dont save the boomerday of the pillow cometh
>>531642137I think being tricked into voluntarily giving away parts of your body so a jew can make money is inherently political
>>531642156That doesn’t prove something exists after death
>>531642290If being tricked by jews is political, then everything is political
>>531637295My job is to make boomers healthy. People are people, fren. You have an innate sense of what is good and just and what isn't. All the best.
>>531642318It shows that the very fact we are communicating is the something that allows emergence The meaning is in the emergence idk. quantum gets weird
>>531642398Talking is biology and electricity. The hard problem of consciousness might exist therefore afterlife exists? I already said I’m agnostic on if an afterlife exists or not
>>531642529>The hard problem of consciousness might exist therefore afterlife exists?it is a problem on consciousness yes. Are you great great great grand parents dead? But life persists after death. We are meaningless to the cosmos
>>531642529or by trying to find the meaning do with give it meaning its scizo tier
>>531642624But that’s just subjectivism with extra steps. Making up your own meaning?
>>531642704>Making up your own meaning?Thats all that matters. why would i preach to you morality when you chose to sign up for something I would never do
>>531642610In memories?
>>531642770And i argue a "universal memory" persists over time
>>531642751If I found out moral realism was true and there were stance independent facts that it was good to go to church then I’d go to church. Or become a deontologist, or utilitarian or virtue ethicist or whatever moral realism said was correct
>>531642828That just sounds like another term for God
>>531642529you already know its the right movedont humblebrag a shit validation seeking>"hurr durr should i safe dis boom3rs lyfe"dont do it because you get rewarddo it because you would want someone to save your life if you were worthyread about personality changes in people that have organ transplantsdont be like the rest of these fucking faggotslift weightshave hobbieshave white children (if possible)be a "good" person whatever that meansalsomogg jannies whenever you cantheyre scumtheyre the problem with the worlddeath to the janitor menace
>>531642874Call it what you will. I look at it as a really big computer system. Making recursive system calls to its self based off past memory
>>531642901Actually if I was dying many many years ago before I was vegan I would not want someone to have saved my life at the time, I’d prefer they had left me for dead. Of course the me from years ago at the time would have wanted to be saved but that doesn’t change the fact it still would have been bad for me to have been saved. Today I don’t want anyone to kill me and I’d want to be saved but I’m no longer killing and torturing animals >>531642939That sounds like solipsism
>>531637295Sell it for $200,000.
>>531639693Then say you aren’t doing it unless you are able to contact him. These rules are exactly in place to prevent you from saying no to people you might hate
>>531643115Probably and also patient privacy and whatever but I think they would probably just say no
>>531637295Save him, don’t be Jewish
