Why do people think Iran is winning? Its not even a fringe idea. >current Economist front pageAre they stupid?
>I'll take bribery for 500 alex
>>531671311>>531671401You're both delusional. So long as the Strait of Hormuz remains closed, Iran is humiliating America.
>>531671401Iran are bribing the Economist?
>>531671311Strait status? Closed
>>531671418>Killing your enemies means you're losingHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHALMAO MY FUCKING SIDESHAHAHAHAHAHAHPFFT AHAHAHAHAHA!!
>>531671311Why is the strait still closed?
>>531671311In what way are they not winning? They still exist and every western nation is collapsing.
Taliban won with less than what the Iranians have. Why is it so unrealistic that they win?
>>531671311(((The Economist)))
>>531671311Third worlders are desperate for a W. They have the same mindset as the people who thought a drawing of a bored ape would make them rich, magical thinking abounds. This is helped by the fact that, in the West, the media is desperate for Trump to be a flash in the pan and Business As Usual to resume with the uniparty. Meanwhile in reality Iran is a huddled rape victim bleeding from every orifice and barely able to twitch anymore.
>>531671311what is trump's goal with this war right now?
Because Trump is a compulsive liar
>>531671483Killing schoolgirls and calling them your enemy is some sick shit.
>>531671311>militarily inferior force outlasting their opposition through political low willhmm, now where has my country experienced this before on several occasions and not having learned anything from it...
>>531671483>Hormussy status bros?>Tight n juicy >Gay, gaping and blown out Pick one
>>531671568Still not answering why the strait is still closed.
>>531671573Keep Mossad from releasing the kompromat.
>>531671578He’s a twisted jew shill. It’s what they do anon
>>531671311strait closed = Iran winningvery simple
>>531671418>humiliatingThis is why face cultures lose wars, that word doesn't enter the thinking of American war planners. What they do look at is the fact that any disruption to the Strait benefits America as an oil exporter and hurts Europe and China. Then there is the fact that the Strait isn't closed, ships just turn their transponders off and go through unhindered, so while traffic is down, it isn't down far enough to be an issue for the USA.
>>531671573Turning Iran into a failed state, Syria-style, and ensuring that Israel will be the sole hegemon in the ME
>>531671578Remember who we're dealing with. Sick shit is their M.O.
>>531671311Biggest losers, from least to greatestIsrael - getting everything they want Iran - gaining people to their plight dailyCongress - cucked by Trump IncTrump Inc - total loserUS people - biggest losers
>>531671311You fat, enlisted fucks haven't done anything but raise gas prices and get humiliated by Iran
yes everyone in the world is stupid except the fox news host secdef and the obese pedogolem who shovels mcdonald’s down his hole everyday
>>531671690>American war plannersWhat plan?
>>531671311Suprised Yidsrael isn't calling it the Straight of Hamas
>>531671562(((They))) want Iran to lose. Why would they benefit from pretending that Iran is winning? 5d chess?
>>531671483So long as the Strait remains closed Trump can't meaningfully convince anyone with a brain his Iran debacle is going well. It cost me over a hundred bucks to fill up my car's gas tank yesterday.
>>531671311Are you? They don't have to win, they just have to bleed us till it hurts enough.
>>531671516>existhow much of their government is left>every western nation is collapsingTwo more weeks? >>531671519The US crushed the Taliban and sat unopposed on them for two decades, the Taliban only came back because Joe Biden deliberately sabotaged a peace deal and the new regime (which was already a really shitty Democrat-designed puppet government that prioritized female and lgbt leaders in AFGHANISTAN) was abandoned with no support, as part of an effort to smear Trump. Taking it as a sign of some military victory for the Taliban is proof that you failed to graduate third grade and need to wear a leather helmet for your own safety. >>531671615See >>531671690
>>531671311Because they are Aryan
>>531671844>The US crushed the Taliban and sat unopposed on them for two decades, the Taliban only came back because Joe Biden deliberately sabotaged a peace deal and the new regime (which was already a really shitty Democrat-designed puppet government that prioritized female and lgbt leaders in AFGHANISTAN) was abandoned with no support, as part of an effort to smear Trump. Taking it as a sign of some military victory for the Taliban is proof that you failed to graduate third grade and need to wear a leather helmet for your own safety.Nice rewrite of Trump released an entire army of taliniggers who went straight back to doing what they did before we invaded migger.
>>531671519Many people believe that bombing buildings and killing civilians is what winning looks like. Didn't work in Vietnam, didn't work in Iraq, didn't work in Afghanistan and it won't work this time either. Tactical success means nothing if your strategic goals aren't fulfilled, real life war isn't a video game where killing x amount of your enemies means you win the war automatically. As long as the strait is closed and the world economy is being strangled, the americans are losing strategically.
>>531671844What's your opinion on the President Donald J. Trump's words regarding Israeli dominance of Congress?
>>531671483>if u bomb u winYou need a new cope. Nobody believes america won Vietnam, nobody believes they're winning in iran.
>>531671690They expected to bomb some shit, go back home and Iran would automagically surrender and switch to a gay-loving western regime, they didn't expect them to fight back. They're only been responding to what Iran is doing on a reactive basis since day two, there's no real plan.
>Why do people think Iran is winningbecause the 48 hour special operation is on week 3 or 4 now and Iran in retaliation to being attacked has caused a fuel crisis in every western country including the one that attacked it. And they show no signs of surrendering any time soon.
>>531671311Iran absolutely humiliated the USA. Israel too. All of Bibi's binders and we had no intelligence? How the fuck did we rush into this blind? It's an absolute disgrace and I have no idea how we can dig ourselves out of this hole. As an old guy who is used to shock and awe, and "we came, we saw, he died" I'm flabbergasted
>>531671690>it isn't down far enough to be an issue for the USATell that to the price of gasoline now
>>531671311If trump doesn't invade and iran manages to destroy the u.s. financialy, then they will win.
>>531671483If they're dead then who is stopping the ships from passing through the Strait?
USA goal was regime change and demilitarizing IranIrans goal was to survive as it iswhose meeting their objectives? Iran is, therefore they are winning
>>531671311
>>531671774They hate trump. There's a difference between the NYC-London rootless cosmopolitan Jews and the zionists/Israelis. Reform (blue team) vs. Orthodox (red team)
>>531672139Did you consider the genius idea that Israel knew what it was getting into, and only Ameritards did not know? It's very likely Israel got the US into this war on purpose with the sole goal of destroying Iran and making it impotent regardless of consequences for the USA itself, like what already happened in Iraq, Syria and Lybia.
>>531671311You have to be retarded to see that they ARENT winning.Trump lies and lies and makes up delusional nonsense all day. Meanwhile, iran shot down a f35, other planes, dozens of drones; its missiles and drones are landing on and decimating US bases and also Israel; theyve got the strait of hormuz and a sword dangling over the heads of regional gas/oil producers; and the war gets more and more unpopular for both netanyahu and trump.If trump wants to open the strait, he needs to do a long war and occupation, which will mean thousands of dead soldiers and a far worse economic catastrophe. If trump quits the war, and I hope he does, iran will retain control of the strait and become far more powerful than before (which I am fine with -- to fuck with demonic Israel, someone else must be strong). He can bomb 20 more supreme leaders and it doesnt change any of that.And meanwhile, antisemitism and anti-trumpism rise and rise and rise... dont you see that that in itself is going to be a key to Iran's victory? Support for israel militarily, financially, diplomatically, is in great peril. Weve all had it with ZOG. Iran (or rather, retarded jewslave Trump) greatly helped accelerate this with the war.Your primary error is believing trump's lies. We will not control the strait. Iran is not negotiating. He totally, utterly, fucked up.
>>531672206>>531672005>>531671790>>531671614This is you
>>531671311>The Economist>stupidJust EUrabs dictating the content. Oh, and don't forget about TDS. A LOT of TDS.
>killing more than your enemy means you're closer to achieving your strategic objectivequick! tell hannibal barca he actually conquered rome!
>>531671844Holy fucking cope.
>>531671311Show flag first, jewboy/jamboy.I know you're one of those two kek
>>531671483Killing is not winning because the objective is not killing, the objective is a regime change for a murishart friendly regime in Iran and freeing the people of Iran, this has been stated publicly by the commander in chief of the armed forced of the US, he also said that it was to be achieved in 4 daysBut here we are, day 27 of Murica's 4 days very special combat operation
>>531671483>Nazis are killing more Sovites, that means they are winning!!!1You have no Strategy that leads to victory, Iran can win just by not losing.
>>531672283Kikes will never get it. Bloodthirsty demons. Btw the US just raised its enlistment age this week - for actual conbat roles - what a retarded jewish lie of a point to make!
>>531671690what about the fact that all your ME bases have been abandoned and destroyed?
>>531671844
>>531671311No you are. There must be other signs in your life that you aren't that smart but you are probably too stupid to recognize them.
>>531671311Because they objectively are.Trump is dropping demands after 3 WEEKS. He CANT open the strait.
>>531672339>just a few more bombs and we'll win this like we won VietnamUh-huh.
Trump claims to be a jew, and jews always lie. Trump says every day he's winning against iran.
>>531672283a massive KD ration was also achieved in vietnam
>>531671311>peopleCommunists aren't people.
If Iran's losing, then why am I paying 40 cents more in gas and why has brent risen to 108?
>>531672376Livy notet that while Hannibal was dying from poison, he screamed at the Roman soldiers surrounding him: "You lost at Cannae, trannies"
>>531671690So fucking underrated10/10 in a sea of room temp iq morons itt
>>531672593Livy was a bullshitter
>>531671690>Then there is the fact that the Strait isn't closed, ships just turn their transponders off and go through unhinderedYou live in a fantasy world. Even trannies look sane in the face of this delusion.
>>531672331Why doesnt america sink the ships iran lets through, now no one can ise the straight?
>>531671311If someone can cause multiple times more damage to others than itself you can call it winning.
Pro tip, K/D ratio only matters if the enemy nation has no birthrates, like Ukraine, Ukraine for all purposes and matters is a dead country unless they enforce a breeding conscription or import foreigners, on the later case it is more of becoming another thing than just dying, but yeah
>>531671483So long as you're failing to achieve your strategic objectives, you're losing. It doesn't matter is you throw cruise missiles at schoolgirls. You may continue to cope.
>>531672163It's basically a neutral trade for the USAGas prices go up --> benefits our oil industry. Maybe trump in particular wants the oil prices down but it's not actually critical for american prosperity, it's just a question of who within america is winning the most
>>531671844Ah yes, american ((("victories"))), aka "LAST HELICOPTER EVACUATING!!! ANYONE NOT ON BOARD WILL BE LEFT BEHIND! OH FUCK THEY'RE HERE! TAKE OFF! NOW! NOOOOOOOOOOOW!"
>>531671690Go back to /k/ope you disgusting animal
>>531672414In a nornal scenario, after having your entire leadership decimated and the majority of your military assets btfo, you would seek surrender to prevent further damagesBut this is iranAnd their islamic pride knows no boundsCall it resillienceI call it hubrisRead ezekiel 38 to find their fate and how the militarist jingoism works out against israel>it wontAlsoHave to hand it for your retarded esl gullibility in being this late in the trump mindset of saying something and doing another and stating obvious and yet vague things all at the same timeYoure never gonna get the guy, lmao, atop trying to understand his strategy
>>531671311the economist hates humanity and wants us all dead
>>531671790> It cost me over a hundred bucks to fill up my car's gas tank yesterday.Based. Accelerate
>>531671311They're not winning, but they are successfully denying USA's strategic goals (freedom of navigation, defanging Iran's military capabilities to 100%, etc).People don't understand what war is about. They need to read Clausewitz. The truth is despite America's TACTICAL victories, America has not attacked Iran's center of gravity yet, and part of that is that their center of gravity sort of doesn't exist. It's dispersed. As of a couple weeks ago, there IS no "Iran" to negotiate with. It's just thirty-something independent military factions launching missiles sporadically.The problem can no longer be solved through diplomacy, nor quickly, not cheaply. It will require boots on the ground in an extermination campaign, with occupation of territory and police action.The ideal solution is a return to colonization. Work with regional allies, any that have excess population, and carve up Iran into pieces that everyone can occupy a la Germany post surrender WW2. Rule with an iron fist, which means killing anyone who looks at a soldier funny, and eventually root out the terrorists after about 40-60 years.Trump should be hanged from a lamppost for starting this conflict without a declaration of war from Congress; and it's exactly why the constitution forbade a standing army. Without a standing army, a President couldn't start this kind of conflict without Congress' support in the first place.Anyway while "Iran" has clearly lost, they've created a situation where EVERYONE is losing. The only party with even mixed results is Israel: though they're still at risk of sporadic bombing, they're now free to expand their territory further into Lebanon without retaliation from Iran-sponsored and Lebanese-tacit-support Hezbollah.
>>531671690Holy fuck, you are retarded
>>531672728K/D doesn't matter even with low birth rates. What Russia is going to do with dead Ukrainians? Eat them? Dead people benefit no one but the gravedigger.
>>531671418Not just that;Ukraine war showed us that manned aircraft and armor are obsolete and that perhaps even infantry are as obsolete as cavalry. This gulf war is showing us (finally!) that surface ships, even (especially) aircraft carriers are totally obsolete. Artillery and missiles and drones are the present. The supposed military might of America is useless in 2026. An ECM struggle between American and Russia and China will be interesting. Russians seem to be able to totally paralyze entire American warships with an ECM flyby by the Russians.
anyone actually has the economist article? archive.is cannot bypass the paywall anymore.
>>531672838You are jewish. Lots of jews in canada besides pajeets
>>531672339He was right>>531672499This. Vietnam and Malaysia both started with a contingent of about 5,000 commies. In Vietnam, USA bombed every village and turned everyone into a commie sympathizer; while in Malaya, the Brits made it more of a police issue and publicized the gruesome and indiscriminate killings of innocents committed by the communist insurgents, which turned everyone against them.
>>531671311what strategic targets did us-israel achieved beside bombing girl schools and couple rafineries?strait is still closedmost us military bases destroyed or crippledus allies bombeddaily strikes on israelyou kicked the hornets nest and now you're preparing to retialiate by hitting it with a stickprotip: it wont end well for you
>>531671844What fantastical cope for losing to the taliban
>>531671311>asks stupid question>asks why everyone else is so stupidanon... i don't even
>>531671311>Are they stupid?Yes everyone is stupid except a poojeet on 4chan using libertarian flag.
>/pol/ is +80% baitpostingae we finally going back to pre 2016 /pol/?
>>531671311Because winning a war isn't just about military power, its about what your objectives are.We NEED the straight of Hormuz open and Iran is going to be able to keep it closed with low-cost drones and mines long after we run out of missiles and interceptors.So yeah, 100% Advantage: Iran.And they have ZERO reason to let us off easy after we assassinated their head-of-state.
The reason Trump didn't plan for the Strait of Hormuz to get closed was because if he had planned for it, he would have realized that it made the whole operation too expensive and he wouldn't have done it. So he HAD to not plan for the strait to close in order to have the operation we're now in.
Are you stupid?You know how Trump is making bombastic threats and then not following through?He doesn't have the leverage or capability and Iran just continues to make realistic threats them they fucking carry them out. Trump has been negotiating with no one, maybe he's talking to the portaits on the wall in the White House like Nixon.>Iran threatens to close the strait>closes strait, Trump can't stop it>Iran threatens retaliatory strikes on infrastructure against UAE/Israel>strikes occur within a few hours, Trump can't stop itBig talk is meaningless when you can't follow through, why are we even engaged in this conflict, who thought it was a good idea? (rhetorical)
>>531672918I bypass the paywalls everywhere just fine. Use this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bypass_Paywalls_CleanI especially recommend to you to read the Financial Times, it's a much better newspaper than the Economist. Although but have pro-Jewish bias. The Financial Times in particular has open comments sometimes, you can notice there that absolute majority of commenters dislikes Israel. The FT is a very pricey newspaper, btw
>>531671311because they live in reality.The US is losing… some say on purpose.
>>531672885>The ideal solution is a return to colonization. Work with regional allies, any that have excess population, and carve up Iran into pieces that everyone can occupy a la Germany post surrender WW2. Rule with an iron fist, which means killing anyone who looks at a soldier funny, and eventually root out the terrorists after about 40-60 years.Excellent idea. I propose we send you first to deal with the Iranians.
It's like with Afghanistan. You can destroy all the big hardware but little gorilla tactic putt putts can still cause major damage.
Israel is in a protracted conflict with an embedded decentralized insurgency.They and their golem literally cannot win. You think they would have learned this lesson by now and changed their tactics.
>>531672896Russia specifically wants Ukraine to be a demilitarized zone if it's not Russian or Russian sphere, so it will all work out either way, a castrated useless country like Finland is a good example of a victim of such strategics in the sense that they lost just strategic land in the winter war and have been a meme country ever since
>>531672838>In a nornal scenario, after having your entire leadership decimated and the majority of your military assets btfo, you would seek surrender to prevent further damages>Call it resillience>I call it hubrisHey jeet, try to pay attention: Last year there was the "12 day war" where Israel did the whole "pre-emptive pre-dawn bombing of the Iranian leadership at a location where they were supposed to negotiate" and this year Israel did the whole "pre-emptive pre-dawn bombing of the iranian leadership at a location they were supposed to negotiate". Now what the fuck do you think Israel will do in a few months, again? You'd really surrender to someone who'll attack you no matter what? They tried the whole peace and negotiation thing.
>>531671401>>531671311does iran control the media???
>>531671311real OGs know, america is "winning" every battle, but losing the war to achieve its strategy
>>531673132Yeah, its the Taliban hole up in their mountains again, except this time they're in firing range of 20% of the world's oil to give it a little UMPH when they say, "Go away".
>>531671483How did sacrificing hundreds of schoolgirls to baal help you?
>>531673007This is the problem with engaging in this war.Iran is in a better position than they were been geopolitically, they're going to ask for low/no sanctions while demanding a security guarantee that ensures Israel can't just strike them again.The peace conditions will be absolutely intolerable for Israel and the strain on US/Israel relations is going to reach a fever pitch. Trump should have to Bibi to just fuck off, but no he's a bitch who had to be the goodest goy and go to war for them. Everybody in this administration is a compromised retard.
>>531673078proof
>>531672885>The ideal solution is a return to colonizationkek, found the jew
>>531671311Fear mongering, Orange Man Bad, and sensationalism sells and that brings add revenue. Add in a healthy dose of partisan bias and there's your answer.
>>531672283We're winning so hard that we're about to turn into ukraine and raise the enlistment age to grandfathers.
>>531673076latest Bypass Paywalls Clean v4.3.3.6 also cannot bypass the paywall.FT and Economist have the same owners and views. FT is daily, Economist is weekly.also normally you should ignore any op-eds and just read the fact-based articles in both.
>>531673434I don't know what you are talking about, I attached the screenshot of the article from OP-picture. I bypassed the wall successfully.
>>531673197no
>>531673272>had to be the goodest goy and go to war for them.Reminder: Epstein worked for CIA *and* Mossad.They almost certainly have dirt on Trump.>>531673362Protip: If you're older than a teenager, you've been hearing about the importance and vulnerability of the Straight of Hormuz since long before Trump was in politics.Its not somebody's "narrative", its basic fucking geography.Its not even "Read a book", its "Read a fucking MAP".
>>531671311It's because Iran has essentially sanctioned zog aligned nations through control of the strait and anything that zog does to open it will spike energy prices more and lead to even greater shortages, not to mention be costly in terms of lives and material. Jewish copes like >>531671401 simply highlight the warped thinking in the (((west))) as of late.
>>531671418Why is it our responsibility to keep it open?
>>531671690Amusingly delusional.
>>531673490then maybe its chrome extension vs firefox. i'm on chrome and you are on ff?
>>531673615Zog might want to dock its nazy at those trillion dollar bases all along the gulf at some point. The same ones that are currently getting blown up daily...
>>531673642I am in Chrome. I visited several other Economist articles and everything is open to me.
>>531673272>they're going to ask for low/no sanctions while demanding a security guarantee that ensures Israel can't just strike them again.I'm really curious as to what the US or Israel can offer as a guarantee that anyone would accept, when Israel did their whole decapitation strike they lost any ability to ask someone to stop the war they started. It's the primary reason why decapitation strikes are never done against governments of nations. You need someone there that's not going to dedicate their life to killing you and you need them to believe you can be trusted. Israel has done this several times now. Who'd believe a cease fire? Especially after a decapitation strike during negotiations?What possible Guarantee can anyone give at this point? UN Troops as watchdogs in Tel Aviv and the US Pentagon under orders to open fire if anyone there even attempts an other war? Bomb collars around the necks of every israeli and US politician set to go off if they even think of an other war?
>>531673754We can't talk about the basically undefended US infrastructure and bases. We left our stationed service members basically naked without cover from Iranian strikes in order to protect god's chosen nation.
>>531671578Iran put those girls in a base, deliberately. You notice there wasn't any boys school there. Clearly they believe they can deceive God by forcing enemies to sin.
>>531672005What the fuck do you even mean by "winning"?What does a victory mean to you?Do we have to physically occupy the entire country for you to consider it a win?Because thats not our intent and never was.There's no way Spain could invade and occupy the US.Does that mean that if we had a war the US wins by default?The standards you people apply to this shit are fucking insane.>you didn't do what I arbitrarily decide is required for me to consider you winning so you lost>lolollllolll operation epstein fury, lololol zog btfoFag
>>531672316>They hate Trump
>>531672139>Iran absolutely humiliated the USAFucking how exactly?You shills just state this shit and then be like:>I ain't gotta explain shit. You lost because... you just did ok.
>>531673798The only guarantee I can think of is allowing a hostile nation(like Russia) to act as shields to deter against strikes. Where it triggers WW3 the instant Israel tries something funny, unless we can disentangle ourselves from the treacherous yids.
>>531673879They were prepping the virgins for their ayatollah, gotta send them all at once
>>531671495It's not. Ships are passing through it every day and Iran's best options for actually blocking the strait have been destroyed. But that narrative doesn't produce clicks.
>>531673887And what exactly is your 'intent'Your 'intent' in Afghanistan was to create a westernized democracy, that failed. When you fail to meet your goals its called 'losing' which is what you are currently doing
>>531671311this deep in the thread and no goatse edit..
>>531672328Have you considered that maybe we knew exactly what we were getting into and this has gone exactly as planned? >but muh oil prices!Thats a you problem, my europoor friend
>>531673755thanks.checked that menu and there was warning about the extension's service worker being stuck. disabled and enabled the extension to unstuck the service worker. now bpc can bypass the paywall.
>>531671774retard 15 years of jew posting and haven't learned that playing victim even at the times of winning is the key to keep winning.
>>531671311>How Iran winsAmerica leaves because oil prices are out of control, the world economy is going to shit and there is a lot of political pressure to stop>How America winsWell no one actually knows why we’re there or what the plan is. Uhhh… invade Iran in another forever war, and overthrow the regime or something?
>>531672331>If trump wants to open the strait, he needs to do a long war and occupation1)Who the fuck said thats the goal here?2)Who the fuck are you to make this strategic assessment?You have no fucking idea what you are talking about
>>531671690>China that's still importing from Iran is hurting>uninsured ships totally risk getting bombed because they just do okay?Holy shit you might as well troon out now with delusions like that.
>>531672331what's the winning condition for iran and how are they close to it?
>>531673980Is the strait open?How about the US military infrastructure in the ME, is that still intact?Did Trump "unleash hell" in just 2 more weeks or whatever he was prattling about?How about the peace negotiations? Does the US have the overwhelming leverage to bring Iran to the booby-trapped table?Iran seems to think not because they were bombed during negotiations twice and aren't interested in opening the strait.Trump is absolutely unhinged right now and making ridiculous threats, negotiating with lampshades in the whitehouse, and probably realizing how utterly fucked he is politically.
>>531674219The win condition for Iran is America leaves because the world economy goes to shit and lifts sanctions A better question is what is the win condition for America? No really, what is the win condition here? Literally no one knows, lmao
>>531674067Is that why the USA won this 1 day special military operation ten times in a month? Barely a day passes without winning. I wonder how Iran still functions, did nobody tell them that they are dead already and there's new liberal pro-Western government?
>>531674262You've been told multiple times now that the Strait of Whoremuse is in fact not actually closed and why. You're incapabale of having an honest discussion.
>>531673798>I'm really curious as to what the US or Israel can offer as a guarantee that anyone would accept, when Israel did their whole decapitation strike they lost any ability to ask someone to stop the war they started.Trump or his advisors are clearly banking on someone's self preservation to gain the upper hand over fanaticism.You and everyone else missed what just happened. The US just did what the CIA does: tried to create a leader with whom they could play ball. What was the point of the oil tanker "gift"? Obviously, someone who can make that gift happen, has the connections to get the strait open.
>>531674219The win condition for Iran was always "survive" and now that has been made easy. The IRGC is going to do exactly that, they're more decentralized, but absolutely in control of their nation.What's the US win condition if the regime isn't going to be toppled?
>>531671311It's called propaganda anon.You can see who is with globohomo old system immediately, they all talk the same.The entire EU, all news networks, american democrats, most NGO's, a lot of bots and shills on /pol/, the entirety of redditt etc, ALL of them are part of the deep state globohomo vermin, willingly or by association.
>>531674369>uhm acshually it's open chudNo, it's not.
>>531674067>actually we were pretending to be retarded Oh, (you)
>>531674025The ships that Iran allows through? Yes those ships are passing through every day
Triggered the Muslims itt lmao
>>531671311Iran vs Globohomo.
>>531674501How's the petrol prices over there in bongistan, are you winning?
>>531674576Always, Abdul
>>531672885>freedom of navigation, defanging Iran's military capabilities to 100%, etcWhere the fuck are people getting this shit from?We have been seizing russian oil tankers in case you forgot.Does it seem like we give that much of a shit about freedom of navigation anymore?And as for demanding their military capabilities, our STATED objectives at the start of the conflict were destroying their ballistic missile capabilities, and destroying their nuclear enrichment capabilities.We have already destroyed every target we knew about before the war started, and we destroy the ones we didn't know about as soon as Iran tries to use them.Also, why are we just pretending that killing the entire government of the country somehow doesn't count for anything?If Iran managed to kill everyone in the trump administration, every ranking member of congress, and every member of the joint chiefs of staff, absolutely everyone would call that a devastating loss.Ignoring this is just plain delusion.
>>531674500 they're charging China and other Asian countries $2m per ship, which they're actually paying. Iran's war just became self-funding.
>>531674627I'm not the one living in the caliphate of London.
>>531674650>We have been seizing russian oil tankers in case you forgot.>Does it seem like we give that much of a shit about freedom of navigation anymore?those tankers were sanctioned before, seizing them was legal.
>>531674650>we destroy the missile capabilities as soon as they try to use themThat'd why Iran is able to call their shots and hit whatever they like. Got it.You can't be this lost on the sauce.
>>531674732No, it's better for you to be with your own people. Too bad you hide on a VPN.By the way, have I triggered something in you?
>>531674777Everything America does is legal, euroturd. What are you going to do? Sue the USA and bring Trump to the Hague?
>>531674840Silence jam boy, whites are speaking
>>531671311Because economists are dumb>Side 1: lost $30m and low gas prices >Side 2: lost 30 leaders, 100,000 troops, and got raped by a Camel. They also lost $29mSorry, side 1 lost because gas is more expensive
>>531672431Hitler shouldve taken the caucus oilfields instead of stalingrad for its names sakeThats called ego and hubris, much like iran being hell bent on the extermination of israel and tsrgetting civilians and international trade and its oil tankers as well as neighbouring arab infrastructureEven hitler never chimped out that hard dude, frfr nocap
>>531671483This was the exact same strategy that won you the Vietnam wa-oh wait...you lost in Vietnam!Keep dreaming delusional migger, you voted for a fucking old retard who is a zionist cocksucker that lied to YOU!
>>531671483Iran has around 3000 births per day. They are with more now than when you started the bombings. When do you "win"?
>>531674904Your coping is delicious.>whites are speaking No they aren't. Like less than 2% of /Pol is now white
>>531671578No one cares about brown children, faggot
>>531674912>the US has only spent $30M on this warYou are so fucking retarded, it's incredible.I would be willing to bet we are well within $500B dollars sunk into this operation all told.
>>531673272More delusion.The worst Iran can do is fire a few shaheds at tankers.This hurts them more than anyone in the long run, since the majority of that oil goes to Asian markets.Plus, if we get annoyed enough we can just flatten kharg island and make Iran incapable of shipping oil at all.We dont do that because unlike Iran we aren't savages who target civillian infrastructure as an opening move, but if we decide to fight this on their level we can absolutely do more damage to them than they can do to us.>but they'll retaliate against your allies!What allies?
>>531674431just a friendly reminder, the consequence of avoiding reality is death
>>531674402>lose army.>lose economy.>lose infrastructure.>lose leadership.>b...but they survived! Total Iran victory!LMFAO imagine coping so hard, america could leave right now and it would take Iran atleast 20 years to build back if they ever recover and then in 20 years the US can come again and shit on them.You call that a win?? Hahahahahahahah
>>531675131The guys you want to capitulate and admit defeat do.
>>531674376>What was the point of the oil tanker "gift"?To collapse the petrodollar. It's already going to cost the US 230% more in interest for the next fiscal year, and that's if the War is ended today. It's predicted to cost at least 400% more by the end of the year if the war drags on for 6 months. You have no idea how badly losing cheap interest rates to finance debt is going to cost the US. >Trump or his advisors are clearly banking on someone's self preservation to gain the upper hand over fanaticism.I wonder if the US would have surrendered if Iran had killed everyone in the White House and the Pentagon in a "daring dawn raid" using drones. Making sure to target families and children for maximum effect. I mean anyone in next in the line of succession would be sure to surrender because their sense of self preservation would override any sense of vengeance, right? That's how that usually works?
>>531675131Contrary to yiddish belief, most people don't like wanton killing.
>>531674500You can literally look at the traffic maps yourself and see how many boats are ignoring Iran's bullshit as we speak. But like I said, that doesn't fit the narrative.
>>531675233Arabs sure do.
>>531672448That part of dropping a JDAM on a fucking CAVE will never be not fucking hilarious. It really tells how clueless, bumbling and wasteful the whole occupation was.
>>531673754If they're blown up, why would we want to put our boats there?Furthermore, why do we need military bases surrounding Iran to deter them if we just destroy Iran? God you people are so fucking dumb>hurry dey destroyed ur bases!What the fuck were the bases for moron?
>>531672936Jesus Christ is King and my GodSo try harder jackass>>531673184>jeetWould be white, thanks for asking>wtf will israel do in a few monthsBeats me, i dont have an insight other than read the prophecy and understand that God needs to Intervene to prevent israels destruction- not that they deserve it, but for His Names Sake He Will Deliver israelBut among other things, israels airforce hammered the fuck out of the iranians and they had no idea they had been hit in the months/years prior to this current skirmishingAnd even soThe current precedent has decimated iranians by a factor of permanenceIranians strategy moving forward is going to basically boil down to a all or nothing overwhelming missle bombardment, and probably emphasize cluster bombs since their interception still maintains a payload falloutHooks in the jaws, remember, they will have no choice, God Forces the armies to come against israel in essence, and there is a whole host of nations that gather and invade israel from the north mind youI love how being aware of biblical prophecies and its implications somehow makes you a jew/jeet lmfaoPicrel, im white
>>531673101You didn't read. I said America should withdraw, wash our hands of it, and just ignore it from now on. Let the people who actually suffer from Iran's bullshit deal with Iran (Eurasia). Implied but not stated was that we should just sell oil at inflated costs to our allies and profit in the meantime. Yeah it's a dick move but whatever.>>531673360Not jewish. Seriously, what's the alternative? Arabs/Persians have proven incapable of peacefully existing within the post-WW2 order as sovereign entities. They've been a problem THE ENTIRE FUCKING TIME, and the first flashpoint was the Suez crisis between newly sovereign Egypt and the UK.The options are accepting the Middle East is a chaos pit from which energy/wealth can no longer be extracted, genociding the native population and resettling with civilized peoples, or colonizing and keeping the native population down. That's basically it. Trump scraped off the veneer of peaceful coexistence at Israel's behest and here we are.>>531674650>Does it seem like we give that much of a shit about freedom of navigation anymore?Of course we do: for ourselves (in a broad sense goodboy participants in the post war order; not Iran, Venezuela, or Russia).>We have already destroyed every target we knew about before the war started, and we destroy the ones we didn't know about as soon as Iran tries to use them.So you admit we didn't get all of them, and they still have more, and now we're in a perpetual cycle of retaliating any time they show capability, which costs them far less than it does us each time it happens. Not a good place to be and we have failed in our strategic goals.>Also, why are we just pretending that killing the entire government of the country somehow doesn't count for anything?Get out of the football mentality. There's no "counting." It's whether or not we've extinguished their cabaility and/or willingness to resist our demands. USA+Israel have utterly failed.
>>531675233Niggers arent humanKilling them pre birth is a service to humanity
>>531674548That kid, holy shit
>>531675228Our bonds will be junk too.Other nations get a taste of what paying for oil is like in other currencies and US bonds won't be very interesting to buy since it's an open secret we're insolvent.We bet the house on "too big to fail" where everyone would lose by not having USD, but that wasn't ever sustainable.
>>531675228The oil could be 500000% higher and the US would still be fine.The global supremacy of the US was established long ago and its over.Nothing will ever topple the US on this planet unless some Ayy lmaos come down.I dont knoe why its hard for you retards to understand that the US will remain supreme in this timeline until the end of the planet.
>>531673877No, we abandoned the bases because we didn't need them and it was obvious Iran would bomb them.How many Americans do you think jave died in this war?Its 13.More servicemembers have died due to random accidents over the same period.>left them undefendedDipshit
>>531675454>we didn't want those bases anywayImmense cope.
>>531674043The objectives of this war were stated clearly on day 1.Not my fault you're a moron who refuses to read basic information and would rather listen to literal propaganda.
>>531675427>The oil could be 500000% higher andI'm sorry but you do not understand the argument. It's not about oil price. It's about people being willing to pay for oil using dollars. Hence petrodollar. There is no point in you replying, this subject is too complicated for you.
>>531674650Continued>Also, why are we just pretending that killing the entire government of the country somehow doesn't count for anything?>If Iran managed to kill everyone in the trump administration, every ranking member of congress, and every member of the joint chiefs of staff, absolutely everyone would call that a devastating loss.>Ignoring this is just plain delusion.Nobody is saying Iran isn't taking losses, I'm saying that Iran is SUCCESSFULLY denying the USA accomplishing its strategic goals by refusing to surrender and imposing costs.>>If JAPAN IN WW2 managed to kill everyone in the roosevelt administration, every ranking member of congress, and every member of the joint chiefs of staff, absolutely everyone would call that a devastating loss.Only if they invaded and the American populace submitted to the Emperor's rule, rather than going guerrilla and there being a rifle behind every blade of grass. Sure, did America take a loss in that scenario? Absolutely. Is it the Japanese Empire's victory? Absolutely not.Seriously, read Clausewitz. At some point, you CANNOT simply CONVINCE the enemy to surrender: you have to kill them all.
>>531671311Typical left-wing propaganda. They say that Ukraine is winning too.
>>531674179>nobody knows what the plan isI know VNN refuses to report it because they're traitors, but the trump administration stated explicitly what the strategic objectives were on day 1.You have to outright deny reality to preserve your bullshit forever war narrative because you are mentally lazy and want to relive the Iraq war.Buckbroken faggot.
>>531671311Because of the goals.US/Israel war goals = Regime change in Iran and total destruction of their ability to attack.Iran's war goals = Survival.Pretty obvious who's doing better and the longer the war goes on the stronger Iran's position becomes.
>>531671311>iran won!!>now we demand you pay us repirations for beating the shit out of us!!!!!Pic related was the state of the war on day 1.Ignore muslim dogs who claim Iran is winning the same as they claim Hamas is winning in Gaza. Its muslim cope and delusion.
>>531675514You're fighting a pointless propaganda war mudshit, America will not fall and nothing you want will happen.You will still be a stinky brown begging for scraps in the greatest nation on the planet, until ICE finds you and boot you out that is. When that happens you can continue coping and seething from some shitskin desert village.You are not the revolution.You are not a hero.You are not cool.You will not win.You are annoying and irrelelvant, that's the extent of your achievements.
>>531675251Apparently 130 ships have passed through since the start of the war and that's not even a day's worth of traffic before the war
>>531671311Because every argument that they are not sounds like cope.
>>531675228Not to mention, they tried to agree several times before. They had a deal with Obama. Trump reneged on that. Then israel tried to attack them last year and got scared when they struck back, so they made a deal with Trump again. Now, during the middle of a negotiations with Trump, they get sucked punched by israel, their leader killed and their girl schools bombed and they are gloating how they are going to destroy Iran. Why on earth they would want to go back to negotiating now, instead of just fighting it out? What is there to gain at the negotiating table that the battlefield doesn't already offer? >>531675233Pretty funny how jewish/eglin shitposters are trying to push this whole "safe edgy" racism style. They fucking GLOW,>>531674402Pretty funny how they couldnt do it with the Taliban in a much smaller country with total occupation in 20 years, but now think they could do it from the air with a much larger and more cohesive state with an active army and government apparatus now. They couldnt even hamper the serbs of disintegrating yugoslavia with only an air campaign.
>>531671311>Why do people think Iran is winning?Because they objectively are
>>531675712Irans goal is suicide for virgins
>>531674308You post those tweets without the insight as to obamas responsibility in escalatinf the israeli tensions with iran to the point where we are at nowTwo terms worth of investment basically and free reign and minor sanctions until trumpa first term, ns even that first term was sabotaged daily from the get goEver heard of a phrase that was then, this is now?Trump had to inherit a fucking ukraine war from biden on top of that, which oh by the fucking way, obama had a hand in helping instigate as well as many other uniparty niggers
>>531675787Spoiler:all those virgins are boys in muzzy heaven lol
>>531675153>The worst Iran can do is fire a few shaheds at tankers.Yes and that alone is enough to shut down the entire Middle East oil supply and export system. And they've said they're willing to do that and have shown the capability to do that and the USA+Israel cannot stop them from doing that.It's actually a big deal. No, blowing up kharg island is not a good threat: THEY'RE ALREADY THREATENING TO BLOW EVERYTHING UP ANYWAY.>but if we decide to fight this on their level we can absolutely do more damage to them than they can do to us.Incorrect, actually. Who is "them"? The captive oppressed people of Iran? No, obviously not. The IRGC? Okay, sure, some million goatfuckers hiding in bunkers and in the mountains, forcing Iranians at gunpoint to construct and transport drones for them to use.There's no way to root that out with out a massive ground invasion and carving up the country AND occupying it for generations to catch the IRGC blending in as civilians.
>>531675427Which is exactly what the Dutch thought when the guilder was Europe's reserve currency, it's exactly what the British thought when the pound was the global reserve currency, and it's what the Americans are currently thinking now when the dollar is the global reserve currency. And as we all know the global reserve currency never ever changes in response to global events, not ever.
>>531675557No you dont understand, you bend the knee to the US either willingly or by force.If you think for a second the US will fall gracefuly you are delusional.America would rather obliterate the planet than lose supremacy and they can do it easily.So kindly sit down, stop coping and face reality.
>>531675755>when your leadership is killed, navy destroyed, air force destroyed, oil fields blown up and demand reparations for losing so badly, you actually winKys muslim dog
>>531671483Can't be long before you're on the frontlines, champ. Excited?
>>531675340>Would be white, thanks for askingAgain, jeet, it was a statement of fact not a question.>Iranians strategy moving forward is going to basically boil down to a all or nothing overwhelming missle bombardment, and probably emphasize cluster bombs since their interception still maintains a payload falloutIran is using drone spotting recon-strike loops, where one set of drones is doing fire control for another set of drones. There's now a lot of footage of american planes and helicopters on the ground being obliterated by drones. They're doing what Ukraine has been doing to target military and infrastructure targets thousands of kilometers away, every box truck and shipping container is a potential launch site of hundreds of drones that bypass established air defenses.Not reading the rest of your bronze age religious nonsense, fucking jeet babble.
>>531675852Not surprising
>>531675796>Obama tries to create stability by creating deterents to Israel's expansionist ambitionsOne of the vanishingly few areas where Obama was actually correct. Having stable nations in the middle east is only an anathama to greater Israel. It's the main purpose of this conflict and everything else is not even a consideration.
>>531675957Its going to be funny when millions of euronigs die in ww3
>>531675964>youre jeet just because>BECAUSE I SAID SOmy religious babble wouldnt matter to a reprobate like youYou cant even see Truth for facts, im whiteNow post your hand
>>531675918It the Strait open?
>>531675867None of those had nukes, I am willing to bet everything i own that the US will never lose supremacy.Every nation will either follow the petrodolar or we will all die but burgers will never allow their empire to fall simple as.
>>531675878Look up 'reserve currency' and 'petrodollar'. All further posts by you will be ignored.
>>531673615Because we started the war by launching a preemptive attack
>>531675867the dutch fell to the superior brits and the brits fell to the superior americansthis idea that china or india or russia or iran secretly became superior when no one was looking, is a fantasy
>>531675330>if we just destroy Iran?Your, and the US government's, inability to explain precisely what this means is why the USA can never achieve its strategic objectives.Do you mean total genocide and glassing? Obviously not.How about occupation and division of the territory in perpetuity? Obviously not.Okay so what then? More of what's been not working, an air campaign that hits targets at massive cost and doesn't even wipe out their capability to strike throughout the region?Define Iran. Define your enemy. You can't. Because you didn't read Clausewitz.
>>531676025>what is libya, anyway?
>>531675705>what the strategic objectives were on day 1.Are the USA and Israel close to achieving those objectives? Does it look like we're getting closer or farther away from those objectives?
>>531676025Obama handed them pallets of cash and let them have free reign on nuclear proliferation and enrichmentYou dont need enriched uranium for civilian powerplants, you only enrich it in centrifuges for WEAPONIZATION, dayum you fuckers are retardedAnd yea israel keeps warning about xyz being 123 more weeks away from a nuke because they sabotage the former attempts and assasinate key personel involvedIts the most heavily infiltrated nation on earth bar none, and has the most turncoats ffsWho do you think is risking their skin to help confirm targets inside iran? Sure as shit isnt meme team six shitting out lego movies for shitlibs ill tell ys thst much
>>531676069You know empires don't last forever right?In our technologically driven era, empires age faster so 500 years isn't even appropriate as a guage for when they reach end of life.The US will survive as a country since we're geologically unassailable, but the empire as we know it will not survive this century.
>>531676120>doesn't even wipe out their capability to strike throughout the region?are you one of those "any second now, secret missile barrage will happen!" because we can count how many missiles iran has fired every day
>>531676081You're an idiot lol.>we dont wanna use dollar!>US: you will use it or die.And that's that literally, try and refuse all you want but everyone bends over in the end.
>>531676081Look up the most recent basel woods agreement before you go about lecturing on shit you dont care to keep up to date with ya fuckin hardon
>>531671311jew or jam? which flag is it?
>>531671690I have had to tell your countrymen this until I'm blue in the face: The USA produces sweet, light oil, which is not suitable for a lot of heavy applications. Sour, heavy oil mainly comes from the middle east, and guess what?
>>531676065Yes as confirmed by CENTCON, . Iran can only bluff insurance companies and some of the shipping companies. There are still ships going through without Iran's permission you delusional muzz dog. And all this is happening while Khamanei is enjoying virgins.
>>531676256What currency does Afghanistan trade with?
>>531676109It's not that they became superior, it's that you've turned to shit, thanks to kikes, dutiful goyim and niggers
>>531676256Is this a raging boomer or just a desperate shill?>>531676236>The US will survive as a country since we're geologically unassailable, Doubt that, the invasion forces have already landed and being actively pampered by your own government
>>531675878>If you think for a second the US will fall gracefuly you are delusional.USA will collapse into inter-ethnic conflict and implode, military assets will be withdrawn back to the homeland to fight the civil war, and then the military itself will also split. Muslims will try to genocide jews, hispanic gangs will go out of control, blacks will chimp out, white militias will form, it'll be a fucking mess. There will be nothing graceful about it.Social cohesion passed the tipping point a long time ago. The current white majority is an illusion caused by elderly boomers. Even a white birthrate of 4.0 wouldn't be enough to restore a white majority in the younger generations.
>>531676347Are you sure? I just checked and uh, looks pretty closed.
>>531671418these dumb miggers don't understand that allies, especially those in asia are now questioning their alignment with the US and are going to pursue stronger ties with China, especially since china is supplying them with oil in their time of need and the US is doing fuck all. take Vietnam for example, Vietnam was distancing itself from China and working after stringer ties with the US, especially since they are actively the US' largest trading partner, with 58% of their exports going to the US. this fuck up isn't just muh oil price retards.
>>531673615Because of the petro dollar
>>531676336You can't convince shills that there are different types of oil.They still think Maduro's deposing is benefitting them somehow, an operation which had all the pangs of an undercooked idea beyond the operation itself. Which US company is going into Venezuela to rebuild the infrastructure?Who is guaranteeing the security there? All unanswered questions, but at least on paper Paul Singer got his oil infrastructure.
>>531674219Their "win" condition seems to be continuing the regime of the ayatolas while forcing us to leave the region.The first one is skeptical, since without any sort of peace treaty we can just kill them anywhere anytime we gain Intel about the location of a new supreme leader unless they want to try to rule in exile from Russia or shit, but a ruler in exile is no ruler at all.Mostaba seems to be the current supreme leader, and the only reason he is alive is because he is in a hospital in Russia.If he ever tries to return to iran we will kill him immediately.And as for forcing us to leave the region, they can hit our bases that are close to the border, but they really dont have the ability to hit our airbases further away like in Cyprus or Diego Garcia, they can't force us to leave the Israeli airbases, and they can't hit our carriers.They have tried to do all of those things and failed. So we retain the ability to bomb them pretty much whenever they want and the most they can do in retaliation is hit qatar or UAE again, but we dont really care.It pisses the gulf states off, and it pisses Europe off, but none of them are going to actually intervene on behalf of Iran militarily, especially when iran is the one actually hitting them.What's far more likely is that if it gets bad enough these countries will agree to fight iran directly just to end the conflict faster.So iran really doesn't have an endgame here.We are sorta locked in a war of attrition at this point, but iran doesn't really have any ability to hurt us more than they already have, meanwhile we could start hitting their oil, water, or power infrastructure at any point to crank the pressure up.We haven't done that yet because we are still hoping for a civillian uprising to replace the government and we dont want to have to rebuild all that shit like we did in Iraq. If it starts to look thats never going to happen though, then we can spreading some real suffering to force them to capitulate
>>531674025Trump literally just revealed the "gift" Iran gave him was letting a whooping eight ships through the strait in a week, down from the pre war traffic of hundredsYou're taking doses of copium that even Trump himself hasn't reached
>>531674973we literally won vietnam lmao, death ratio was 10:1 and they are more allied with today than with communism or the east. were we supposed to occupy them forever?
Man /pol/ really is filled with bush-tier boomers and their scions now. God, it kind of makes me feel a bit nostalgic now that being a leftoid is edgy again.
>>531671311>Why do people think Iran is winning?>Its not even a fringe idea.Because of the economic damage it's causing.Iran doesn't have to win, they just have to survive long enough to price the AI and Debt bubble which leads to a currency crisis. With our levels of debt globally... it's going to hurt alot. It's almost as if this war will be blamed for the inevitable debt bubble bursting.
>>531674262>Is the strait open?Do I care?
>>531671483you're a satanic kike
>>531676627Newfag
>>531676488>doesnt understand the difference between not going through by choice vs not going through because its closedkys tranny muzz dog
>>531671418>so long as the US creates a greater oil monopoly for themselves in the global market, the US is losingThis site is so fucking brown now it’s completely unusable. It’s Iranian psyop agents shilling to western tankies.
>>531676347>But CENTCOPE saidkys retard.
>>531674402The US win condition has always been depriving iran of the ability to make a nuclear weapon.We let NK get a hold of one and they have been a pain in our ass ever since.We aren't fucking doing that again. Period.
>>531676250The threat of losing a billion and a half dollars of oil tanker + cargo in the strait (while also causing a massive ecological disaster from oil spill) is enough to ruin everything.No freedom of navigation.No oil trade.And no amount of bombing campaign can eliminate the IRGC's capability and willingness to do so. They don't even need to hit every ship that tries to run through anyway, even a 1% risk makes it more economical to just sit at anchor FOR YEARS until the situation improves.Oh and don't think I didn't see you ignored my point to quibble about something that doesn't matter and that you don't understand.You'll never understand what's happening until you read Clausewitz.
>>531676627Being a leftoid is very niggersexualThe party of minor attracted persons and mentally ill trannies will be eliminated
>>531676496Taiwan may not have a choice as China could strike sometime in the next 10 years and face little resistance from the US since we're focused on strengthening Israel's expansionary ambitions.The US has bene trying to onshore chip production here for more than a decade now and we still have no movement despite the government putting billions into it. Why are we utterly incapable of getting things done even when the gov is bankrolling it? Legit it feels like the Soviet infrastructure/planned economy projects that began and then abruptly stopped.
>>531676627>ah finally after .2 milliseconds of right wing politics the pendulum is swinging back to 3 decades of fag politics
Also reminder muslims larped about a fictional victory over Bibi for an entire week
>>531676775>a billion and a half dollars of oil tanker + cargo2 million barrels = $200MVLCC cost = $150MWhere's the billion & a half, anon?
>>531674481The retard here is you because you dont know what the fuck the goals were despite them being explained to you multiple times.
>>531676659Oh I get it. "No". Answers both questions. Funny.
>>531671311It's to get the people against the war (everyone except jews) invested and get them cheering so everything is consensual.
When Trump goes down I hope a lot of you "people" commit suicide or get hooked on drugs.
>>531674500Which is basically all ships>its closed to america and IsraelWE DONT IMPORT OIL FROM THERE DUMBASS
>>531676336>The USA produces sweet, light oil, which is not suitable for a lot of heavy applications. Sour, heavy oil mainly comes from the middle east, and guess what?This is wrong on so many levels it's actually impressive.
>>531676627A lot of those are actual shills. The conflict has <30% support among the populace.
>>531676750>muslim accusing other of copeMuhammad is a gay crossdressing pedophile, now cope about that.
>>531672977Checked, true digits
>>531676901>>its closed to america and Israeland all of their allies>WE DONT IMPORT OIL FROM THERE DUMBASSYou import diesel from there, retard. The fluid that powers logistics?
>>531676901>Which is basically all shipsKek
>>531676894I’d wish you the same but Muhammad already took over your country and the “Swedish” identity will no longer exist
>>531676973How's the bomb shelter?
>>531676772>The US win condition has always been depriving iran of the ability to make a nuclear weapon.This isn't complete. Because USA is ZOGged, and ISRAEL'S win condition is not only no nuclear weapon, but no missile capability, no funding proxies, and enough destabilization to pursue the Greater Israel plan without resistance.The US win condition is Israel says "okay good enough you can go now slave."
>>531674777Yes, because we said they are.How do you think sanctions work?We are taking whatever the fuck at this point and morons like you are still pretending that global shipping is a sacred cow.The future is not going to be pleasant for you.
>>531677045What country do you think is proportionally whiter, Sweden or the united states of america?
>>531671844>Takin Iraq and Afghanistan provided a way to contain Iran>The Taliban are back in power in Afghanistan and Iraq is siding with Iran in this war>Forced to invade Iran by sea instead
>>531676973>Muhammad is a gay crossdressing pedophile, now cope about that.based. fuck muslims.>memeflagYou are a jew. You deserve to die.
>>531676894When ww3 goes down ill laugh as millions of you govt asshole lickers die
>>531674832Firing slow moving glide bombs at slow moving oil tankers or stationary targets with no defenses whatsoever is not impressive.
>>531677078Are you literally 12 years old?
>>531671311Is accomplishing none of your strategic goals and humiliation on the global stage winning?Damn, r*ssia and Amerimuttia are winning HARD!
>>531677135>lol we destroyed the world umad?Is this the final level of cope?
>>531676901The price of oil is a global price, dumbass
>>531671573keeping the Kushners happy
>>531676772>deprive them of nooks!!!They didn't have nukes. They don't have nukes. The messaging is so bad about this war that the reason for engaging it has ranged from "omg dey killin dey protestahs" to "regime change now!" to "no nukes :)".The purpose of this war is really just the same as the rest of the nations destabalized by neocon zionists, Iran was basically last on the list.
>>531677116I would rather be 60% of 340 million than 70% of 11 million Sven. Time to think about your suicide note.
>>531676849Actually I was wrong on my numbers. Good catch. Even so, losing $350M because Iran followed through on their threat is an insane risk.Regardless of the numbers, it's clear that most shipping companies are willing to simply wait than take the risk.
>>531677156>we can stop them>well actually we can'tFantastic counter argument lmao
>>531671766Claude the LLM is very upset by this.
>>531675373>the US and Israel have completely failedIts been three weeks.I bet youre one of those people who insists Russia is winning in Ukraine because at their current rate they will occupy Kiev in only 150 years.
>>531677065>implying iran isnt spending 99% of its energy attacking its sunni neighborscope all you want, at the end of the day Bibi is alive and this pedophile Khamanei is dead
>>531677156>impressiveGoal post shift. The capability to do that has closed the strait and fucked over the entire global energy market, and the US has proven incapable of compelling Iran (IRGC) of not doing that.Yeah it's a bit impressive actually.
>>531677346Damn he was gonna dig up Floyd to suck his dick raw.
>>531671573I'm not sure any of them know what he wants to do. There are lies upon lies upon half truths and all this faulty information has to be compressed in order to fit into the brain of an octogenarian who's brain is 80-90% fried mush.Regardless, if America does invade it will be a blood bath and US power will diminish but the billionaire class' wealth might be best preserved. Alternatively, they can not invade and their wealth will be eroded because the obvious peaceful solution is to surrender and have barrels of oil sold in Yuan, Rupees, Pounds, Australian Dollars. Pure madness, money would flow away from the US stock market.
>>531671844The American military has suffered 100,000 suicides in the last 25 years
>>531677334Jamie bring up the date 3 weeks after the start of the afghan war
>>531677334>day 21 of the 4 day SMO in IranJust 2 more weeks until Trump's deadline for Iran is up.Fucking retard.
>>531671311Iran, you all are still talking about iran? Are you really talking about iran, iran? Wasnt that a 2 day op or something.
>>531671311Strait is closed due to AIDS
>>531677238No it isnt
It's onyl going to get worse for the US the longer the war drags on.Make ready for mass casualties of US marines and sinking of major surface combattants. Iran has shown that they have grit and fighting will, which will only attract its backers to heap in and deliver them more and more weapons.It's america's Ukraine, essentially. Remember how little the EU wanted to help and provide weapons at the start? Everything only began when the Battle of Kiev was lost and Ukraine showed the same grit and will to fight.
>>531671311They need Trump to fail in a big way before the mid-terms.
>>531675427The only way america falls given the current state of the world is if we actually are retarded enough to have a civil war.America is uninvadable, and has enough natural resources to be self-sufficient indefinitely.The only other scenario that leads to the end of america would be something like a massive technological shift that renders our strategic geographic advantages obsolete, or something really crazy like an actual alien invasion.
>>531677499Really? That's over ten times the amount of servicemen who died in the post 9/11 wars ...... a two decade timeframe
>>531671483you think like a jew, counting dead civilians as if you were in some vidya where the biggest number wins. You fucking genocidal maniac kike pos.
>>531677334>Its been three weeks.Significantly longer than a four day air campaign to neutralize "Iran's" capabilities.As I said, the only proper solution now is an invasion and occupation. There's no "Just two more weeks c'mon man please just two more weeks of bombing and they'll surrender!" here. It's not going to happen. Iran (IRGC) is completely willing to live in caves like animals until they win. Trump can't even run the war except on weekends when the markets are closed, because market panics ACTUALLY matter to him.>>531677334I bet youre one of those people who insists Russia is winning in Ukraine because at their current rate they will occupy Kiev in only 150 years.I don't have much of an opinion on the Ukraine war. But it's clearly devolved into a stalemate where neither side can achieve their goals (which are surprisingly simple: control of contested territory). I suppose if anything, Israel is winning there too as whites kill whites in massive numbers.
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>>531675095>/Pol First day ranjeet?
>>531675228>muh debtBoomercon boogeyman. We can literally just inflate the debt away.Yes that will cause a recession, but thats a far cry away from state collapse We dont even need to do that though.We can always just default.>but that will fuck your goy score!And?
>its another episode of miggers don't understand how global markets work Truly the dumbest most vile creatures
>>531677749You should call that image "ISHYGDDT"
>>531671573to fight for LGBTQA+ rights in iran
>>531677559>heres how bernie hasnt lost and can still winThis was day 1 you delusional goatfucker: >>531675720If you think Iran is still in this war to win while Iran is currently demanding reperations (for losing so badly) in exchange for a ceasefire, then you should probably kys for being a zutt mutt.
>>531677650>Our oil will go up in price no matter how much we produce as a result of the Iran war
>>531675573>youre not winning because you haven't met MY definition of what winning is.Whatever loser.
>>531672139The kikes most likely saw it coming. They like it when they can be in some kind of victim position, imagined or real. >oy vey just look at how the Iranians are blowing up poor kikes! Gotta start a new holobunga somehow.
>>531676336>>531676502Texas crude is literally famous for being sour and heavy you retarded fucking nigger
>>531676214Iran's nuclear and long range ballistic missile capabilities are pretty fucked so yeah
>>531677838>turtley jewLolololol
>>531677684>ifIf?Anon, the government at all levels is being defrauded massively and knowingly, and there's a huge argument about whether or not the fraud should even be investigated, let alone prosecuted and ended. And it's mainly along ethnic lines.Civil war, race war, and pogroms are INEVITABLE, likely in this century. And not with whites on the offense necessarily, either. By 2070 whites will be such a minority it's entirely possible that Hispanics, blacks, indians, muslims, and asians might all INDEPENDENTLY AND SIMULTANEOUSLY decide to simply disenfranchise whites, and massacre them when they protest using the full force of a brown military that doesn't give a shit about posse comitatus and is too stupid to recognize how bloody a civil war would be.
>>531677865Iran is already the trans haven of the world. The government subsidizes sex change operations and its the #1 for trans medical tourism
>>531676236>empire as we know itWhat is the American empire anon?Explain this to me
>>531677718>as if you were in some vidya where the biggest number wins.Not even true in most vidya. It's like gloating about having the biggest K/D ratio while the other team got the bomb cart to the goal.
>>531676775>muh ecological disaster!Now you're grasping at straws
>>531678092Yeah. Weird! Its very illegal to be gay but they have the biggest population of post-op troons in the world.
>>531672339When the joke doesn't land the first time, repeat it.
>>531678092Now ask it whether jews control israel.
>>531677945Have your strategic goals been achieved?
>>531678092but trump told me they throw gays off of roofs and we need to invade to stop that
>>531677811No faggot I've been here for longer than any of you third world Zoomers from the 2016 influx of shit. Nice cherry picking though just because I didn't add an extra "/"Why does that trigger you newfags so much
>>531678096The Bretton Woods Postwar order. Which is currently falling apart. Read Zeihan.
>>531676496>going to pursue stronger ties with ChinaGood fucking luck.China is 100% dependant on OUR trade empire.The fuck chang gon do?Not a fucking thing, thats whatChina will not be able to provide ANY support to anyone.This is why Iran's blocking of the strait has been so half passed.China told them to knock it the fuck off because they need that oil
>>531678163Congrats, you fell for the trap of picking out the most irrelevant part of the post and grasping at that straw because you cannot contend with the actual point (also you didn't read Clausewitz and don't understand anything).
>>531671418only on /pol/ do I see opinions this delusional
>>531678213Muhammad was very LGBT. Gay shit was very common among muslims back then. The anti-gay trend from muhammadens is rooted in hadiths that were written hundreds of years after Muhammad's death. Being gay was very halal when Muhammad was alive, which is why the Muhammad and the night of Al Zutt wasn't anything weird to the early scholars. Muhammad might have even invented cuckoldry because he received revelation from Allah and made it halaal in the quran that men are allowed to share their wife's breast milk with other men directly from the source. Meaning Muslim men would allow other grown men to suckle on their wives casually. A full chapter called the chapter of adult breastfeeding, which is no longer in the quran because the surah was eaten by a goat while Muhammad slept so the adult breastfeeding is officially abbrogated. Actual true story.Muhammad might be the most LGBT friendly prophet.
>>531678339To appeal to the gay leftie americans who constantly protest in the streets arm in arm with muslims internationally in support of islam/hamas/iran/palestine.
>>531677211LolYou seem upset
>>531678213>>531678339Their argument is that trans women are women, and only women can love men. But being a gay man is still very much a sin. So all you have to do if you're gay is to become a trans woman and cut your dick and it's now fine for you to love men. It's a schizo position that sounds insane to us since it's both progressive and conservative at the same time.
>>531678739God doesnt exostGas all catholics
>>531675330Look up how many bombs were dropped in operation rolling thunder and the outcome for zog, now compare that to the current operation.
>>531678739That is my favorite muslim cope.>no they are based because they had a gay problem so they turned it into a trans problem so they can legally do muttah (have sex) in government sponsored brothels.
>>531671519Its like you fucking retards don't understand the US military destroyed the Taliban, but in a few year times, a few cropped up in Pakistan and where essentially protected by Pakistan and the US couldn't just finish them off. They'll shoot some military outpost then run back to Pakistan for safety.
>>531676723No one is buying this fake narrative
>>531671573Whatever Bibi tells him the goal is....
>>531678361>look how the pajeet shrinks back, how injured he is: "Ive been found out"
>>531679034>t. shia dog
>>531678945Typical westoid brainrot, if it doesn't involve dicks or butts they no nothing about it.
>>531671311>>531671761>>531672139>>531672331Wow bro, the MSM that also pushed Clinton was winninbg is somehow acting like Iran is winning.Not a good look for Iran.
>>531679086I can post a timestamp if you want. But can you do the same?
>>531675228None of what you are saying makes any sense. So iran gifts the u.s. the free passage of ten tankers, and this will somehow destroy the u.s. through the interest rates? Why? How?
>>531676497Which is? What? Exactly?I know you think you can just say that word it means you win but do you actually know what the fuck that is?Do you know who came up with it? When? Why?If you did, you might actually begin to understand why we are doing what we are doing and dont give a shit about it anymore.Who do you think suffers the most if we stop protecting our trade empire?Hint, it isnt us.
>>531675373>Not jewish. Seriously, what's the alternative? Arabs/Persians have proven incapable of peacefully existing within the post-WW2 order as sovereign entities. They've been a problem THE ENTIRE FUCKING TIME, and the first flashpoint was the Suez crisis between newly sovereign Egypt and the UK.Why the fuck would they just bow down and be your obedient slaves for all eternity? They have zero reason to do that.
>>531676591Yes.All of these internet strategists play too many 4x games and think the only way a war ends in victory is if you start map painting and annex everybody you go to war with.
>>531679108NiceFlagNigger
holy fuck Americans are stupidthey genuinely don't understand>I blew up some sand dunes, please surrender nowno I don't think soDead amerigolems running from FPV drones coming up
>>531676627Being a leftoid was never edgy.Having basic bitch takes like: geeze man war is bad just be nice to people, has never and will never be edgy.Its childish and stupid, but you do you.
>>531677076So your complaint is that we aren't winning fast enough?Is your argument that every war is lost right up until you win it?We aren't done dumbass, it hasn't even been a month.
>>531675373>the post-WW2 orderThere, and thats your stumbling stone right there. Someone really needs to start snapping their fingers in front of your face and remind you that WWII is almost a hundred years ago. There is not fixed "post WWII order". The actual post WWII order entaiuled the existence of the Soviet Union for example, whom the US are now about to follow.There is no such thing as a guaranteed position for any nation in the world. You are currently showing yourself unable to maintain said position, in part because no one is interested in supporting it anymore. The main reason for that is that said order no longer offers any tangible benefit to humanity at large, and only causes strife and disorder on a global scale. Such as you guys lobbing bombs out of the blue on israels bequest, fucking up the entirety of the world economy for no gain and no real reason.
>>531677266>They didn't have nukes. They don't have nukes.And they never will.The bombings will continue until they agree to this and allow us to enforce it.If they ever say no to an IAEA inspector again, the bombings will resume.
>>531677008>You import diesel from there, retard. The fluid that powers logistics?Holy shit you really are trapped in the bush era.Look up the largest exporters of refined petroleum products.The results may surprise you.We import literally nothing from the middle eastWe only import about 15% of the oil we use and almost all of that is from Canada. Sorry for destroying your entire worldview, but you should try to stay more informed
>>531677163Are you literally retarded?
>>531677238No, its not.Its only global because we have no export restrictions.Trump can end that with a wave of a pen.This is from a law passed back under Obama for this exact scenario.
>>531679313The benefits of civilization, for one. It's a pretty good deal: be civilized, get air conditioning and HFCS. They tried to take but not give.As for forcing them into slavery, that's the next step, and if that doesn't work, genocide. OR we just give up and let the Middle east descend back into tribal primitivism until China colonizes them (genocides them).>>531679620No, my complaint is that the current US+Israel strategy is incorrect and does nothing to attack Iran's (IRGC) center of gravity, per Clausewitz. And Clausewitz would look at the situation and immediately recommend boots on the ground in a genocidal campaign, maybe ending with rounding up everyone in the country around Tehran and penning them there forever. But definitely occupying the parts of Iran that can threaten the strait in perpetuity.>>531679645Why are you haranguing me? I agree with you. The Bretton Woods system is falling apart just like Zeihan predicted and the end of it all is the USA goes home, Freedom of Navigation as a principle is dead, and international trade becomes like thrice as expensive for everyone else.>>531679721>yeah so we'll just drop millions of dollars of bombs on them forever, to the end of time>and this will math out because uhhhh something something reserve currency
>>531677300They aren't hitting our ships.Not my problem faggot.
>>531677429Why is the global energy market our problem?This is the part you morons always seem to struggle with
>>531677530Your point?
>>531677658>Make ready for mass casualties of US marines and sinking of major surface combattants.What will your cope be when this doesn't happen?
>>531680255They fired two missiles at the Diego Garcia base and their proxy the Houthis DID fire missiles at our ships.Which is why currently US vessels are standing off SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES AWAY from the strait.>>531680312Investment (really, inertia) in the bretton woods system.But, if you read Zeihan, that system is no longer to our benefit anyway. So it's going to fall apart and eventually the US will pack up and leave it to Europe and China to sort out, since the middle east is Eurasia and so are they.By the way I literally explained this in my first posts in this thread.>>531672885>>531675373
>>531678052I've been hearing about civil war 2 for 20 years.You won't do shit.
>>531677742Literally no one said it would be 4 days
>>531680343Cope harder.>durr it's only been three weeks, done soon!Afghanistan lasted twenty fucking years. Iran will likely be WORSE unless we just leave, and then guess what? Either the entire middle east descends into chaos or the Eurasian powers invade and restore order by force. There's no pretense of civility anymore, US+Israel sank that ship with prejudice.
>>531671311They are winning because in 8 years the USA will silently retreat and say they actually lost the war
>>531678324ItsBeen3Weeks
>>531671311Some think Iran is winning because what they want is just Trump losing something big.
>>531678405If you've read zeihan you should know that we are deliberately destroying that system.Iran closing the strait is literally part of the plan.If they didn't close it we would have anyway
>>531680633Tell the class how long it WILL take, then.
>>531678474No, I just dismissed the rest of your inane bullshit because you revealed yourself to be a moron.
>>531680766What is happening is not what is intended.Why is Trump screaming for the strait to be reopened?He misplayed the situation and now the toy is broken beyond repair.
>>531680825Tell your friends at Eglin I said hi and sorry about losing conscientious objector status.
>>531678894>a different war did different things that means youre losing!You people are fucking exhausting.
