TLDR: NEETs are good boys to dindu nuffin wrong!When women decided to avoid traditional roles, they chose to conform to the demands of markets. They pursued education, focused on their careers, and decided not to have children.If men were to do a similar gender role defection, it would not mean becoming or acting like a woman. If a traditional man is supposed to be a beast of burden, focus on making money, and then paying taxes or companies for consumer goods, and limiting their social expressiveness, then defection is the absence of these characteristics, not their reversal.It would be a world where men don't focus on work or money so much and instead focus on what makes them happy, ignores calls to state action, and isn't going to hide how they feel because society (including women) wants them to. This would all be achived by men walking away from the worlds demands and pursuing their passions/pleasures.And that's what we see. Men already ditched traditional masculinity as a performative luxury belief. When a guy just wants to chill, shitpost, and play vidya, he's openly rejecting the norms of masculinity that society wants to impose upon him.What surprises me is that feminists haven't noticed this yet. They focus so much on non-conformity being inversion - it's own form of conformity - that they don't recognize that guys escaped existing norms entirely. It's just that society hasn't caught up to it. If men are "falling behind" it's only because there is one way society allows you to be a man and if you don't accept it you will be shamed and excluded from the world.
>>531826300Look at all the fartmeat on that buck!!! Zesty!
Nothing wrong with being house husband
>>531826300Is that a lesbian white girl or a white boy?
tldrYou are a fag
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>>531826534Lesbian girl
>>531826528What you brought up though is the inversion I was arguing against. Even a house husband is working as the support system for child production and market consumption. It's only accepted because the state and corporations like it.Since men's roles are primarily about doing what markets and the state want, true non-conformity is exit, not femininity. Exit looks like doing things for personal reaons independant of what the state, markets, or your culture wants, and in some cases contradicting third party desires.
>>531826548Make the GDP line go up, pay taxes, support Israel.
I want to have two lesbian wives, because that way I will have two friends.Right now I only have 1/10th of a friend, it's a very small dog.And then the lesbians can give birth to many babies of mine and I will have even more friends.
>>531828540Isn't that just tomboymaxxing though?
>>531826517Would
>>531826300>breaking gender rolesSounds like something a genocidal eugenicist would say. You transgender-grooming degenerates should be ostracized and executed by firing squad.
>>531826300Sorry but you cannot so easily divorce your flowery language from that disgusting trannie mp4.
>>531830109I'm saying it already happened with NEETs and men who care more about their wellbeing and goals than being a breadwinner, paying taxes, or grinding in a job to pay for someone else.The reason feminism gained momentum is because it's what the merchant and clerical classes of the west wanted: more money and more servants. Men and their expectations were already subservient to these powers so escaping them is what counts as real non-conformity.Most women (feminist or otherwise) shit bricks at this idea because they expect to be able to extract from men.
>>531830261Then here is the solution to male expectations. How to formalize rejecting male norms without merchant-cleric-feminist sissification.-Always ask "What's in it for me?"-Make money for your personal interests, not because a wife/state/company wants you to.-Question why you buy things. Is it because they are simulacra (a house without a family, a nice car to show reproductive fitness but not expecting children), or do you really want it for yourself?-Judge women as increasingly materialistic if they expect men to "have their shit together", "man up", or "keep up" with people who prioritize the state or careers out of habit.
>>531826300>It would be a world where men don't focus on work or money so much and instead focus on what makes them happy, ignores calls to state action, and isn't going to hide how they feel because society (including women) wants them to. This would all be achived by men walking away from the worlds demands and pursuing their passions/pleasures.>And that's what we see. Men already ditched traditional masculinity as a performative luxury belief. When a guy just wants to chill, shitpost, and play vidya, he's openly rejecting the norms of masculinity that society wants to impose upon him.This isn't horrible but the mp4 in OP is degenerate and should be punishable. Put your faggotry and degeneracy om display for the world and expect honest responses like: die in a fire trannie; KYS; that is disgusting and do not expect affirmation of your degenerate behavior.
>>531826300I’ve started letting literal faggots give me blowjobs regularly. The way I see it, is I’m asserting dominance over lesser men. They somehow enjoy pleasing masculine men and receiving nothing in return other than a load of cum in their throats. So it’s a win win for everyone. I’ve done it 20 or 30 times already. They thank me before I send them away which is totally bizarre to me. I should thank them but I never do.
>>531830756The mp4 is relevant because we're talking about what it means to leave gender expectations that are a pain in the ass. Women already got what they wanted, as seen in the mp4, but men didn't. It's a shit deal and if women can be "degenerate faggots" from your perspective, men should be able to Exit, without much scrutiny.
>>531830783Ok. But isn't that literally homosexual?
>>531831058Probably, but I view it more as a masturbatory activity. Instead of jerking off, I get a fem guy to give me the same release. I’ve never touched another guys dick or had any sort of feelings or attraction for them.
>>531831402Fair enough. You do you.But it raises another question. Why aren't women sucking your dick regularly?
>>531831016"Able to exit""Breaking gender roles"Isn't in the vocabulary of a man or the ideal man. There is no quit, surrender or exit. There is only suck it up; play the cards you were dealt; you made your bed , now sleep in it et cetera.The test of a man is a woman not the quitting or the abscence of a woman. They are the ying to our yang and the untested man is seen as a lesser man; a juvenille; sophmoric.
>>531831639Yin* whatever.
>>531831610because he is ugly. fags have no standards
>>531831639i don't understand what you mean when you say "quit". So if men don't do what you want them to do you consider it quitting and emasculating? interesting perspective. But what if i just decide not to play to societies expectations? and instead I decide to keep all my own capitol and remove my money from circulation in the economy. I don't believe living life by my own terms is quitting, its just refusal to play your rigged games.
>>531831639Your view of men is very dependant on women, as well as enduring suffering.That raises the question of whether the suffering is artificial, and why you can't just stop submitting to women's expectations.Even from your view of a man, it still appears that the strength to endure is the strength to "Just Do Things!" which means that you can just destroy the source of suffering, make your own standards to avoid being psychologically controlled by women, and setting your own norms.Traditional male strength in a modern environment gravitates towards Exit and rejecting tradition, not conformity.
>>531831610They do. I have a wife and a girlfriend I’ve been seeing from my old job for around 6 years. She had a boyfriend that she’s not that into, so whenever I call she drops everything.
>>531832142Damn, that's a lot of dick sucking.
>>531831871>QuitAs in quit being a man.Breaking gender rolesYou're basically telling men to stop being men. I say this with profound respect: you do you. But don't expect a canned response from the masses affirming your gender re-assignment surgery; breaking gender roles or any other such inorganic anf degenerate behavior.
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>>531832365but what roles are those? You havent defined them properly so I still dont know what you mean by "quitting".
>>531832526Not signing up for your class. You made a decent trannie thread. Congrats.
>>531826300GYATTTT
>>531832794So you cant even coherently articulate your position, or define what quitting means in terms of masculinity? So why should any men listen to you? kek. Simpleton simp
>>531832526JEETS. Are you dressing up your neet philosophy in trannie clothing? Thought you were OP bc of the Canadian flag.Why place so much emphasis on words like "roles" and "gender?"Men have jobs and sex not "roles" and "gender." Limp-dick sissiefied Faggots.
>>531826300>lesbian but still shows her ass on the internet for men
>>531833119i just asked you to define your position so I could argue against it. Instead you got hysterically defensive and threw out a bunch of ad homs. Very feminine coded bro.
>>531832922>coherently articulate your position, or define what quitting means in terms of masculinity?I told you already that the quit does not exist. That is a feminine-negative word.What men do is win and lead NOT lose and quit/submit.You are spreading toxic propaganda.
>>531826300realistically men do everything, providing, cooking, cleaning,and the woman only offers pussy (while taking your money)
>>531826425Is that a buck? I'm literally confused.
>>531833379what is losing to you? Again all you seem to define losing as is "man who refuses to do what I want ". If that is the case, I would say its infinitely more manly to tell you to fuck off, and to do my own thing. Men don't owe you anything faggot, especially to uphold your version a fake and gay basedciety.
>>531832107Framing it right >>531832107>Even from your view of a man, it still appears that the strength to endure is the strength to "Just Do Things!" which means that you can just destroy the source of suffering, make your own standards to avoid being psychologically controlled by women, and setting your own norms.You just threw darts at the wall...and then...>>531832107>Traditional male strength in a modern environment gravitates towards Exit and rejecting tradition, not conformity.Who the fuck is promoting conformity here?You don't conform to being male or female. You are born male or female.Die in a fire you trannie.
>>531833821Word salad that doesn't merit a coherent response! What a surprise!
>>531826300This is a troon on HRT or a tomboy right? No way a man naturally has a body like that
>>531834228>word salad shitskin cant understand basic english. I accept your surrender.
>>531826300As a 41 year-old hyper intellectual who has been repeatedly rejected by every fucking moron on earth for his supreme intelligence, I can confirm that women are stupid pieces of shit and will only love you if they want to fuck you and basically you should never do anything they say because they are stupid as hell and there is no fixing them, because they are whores, you are correct that there is only one way that is allowed to be a man and it’s being a slave to every stupid bitch on earth, and fuck that
>>531834342>>531834236>>531833821>>531833380Geography betrays you. There is no way that this many Canadians are organically this passionate about the trans agenda.
>>531834787These and OP who is also Canadian...Jeets? Fuck you.
>>531834091Indeed we are born male or female. What varies is how behavioural differences between males and females appear in different societies over varied periods in time. Yes, there is sexual dimorphism in body, mind, and expression, but if the expression can change over cultures and eras, then it makes sense to talk about how it is expressed in our culture and era today.
>>531835056That sounds about right. I'm not your guest lecturer though. I'm with the mob of protesters outside your dumpster-fire of a trannie convention waiting for you to exit so that we can lynch you.
>>531835475You know I'm not a tranny right?Anyway, if we except that gender is the expression of biological male and female, we can investigate and criticize how it exists in our cultures today, which leads me back to my original post. You don't need to troon out to walk away from a shit deal, and honestly, men have a shit deal in this verison of modernity.
>>531826517what a big ass. incredible. she has a giant ginormous ass. I never saw anything like that before. wow. big giant ass. lel.
>>531835609I respect OP and the sentiment of what he posts. I apologize for overreacting to the disgusting trannie webm but I won't apologize for being disgusted by that particular mode of protesting against; exiting from or breaking "gender roles" which seems to be the language of Communist and eugenicist genocidal and toxic propaganda!I protest against you mixing the trannie bullshit with honest arguments and gripes that real men have. Muddy the waters.Poison the well. Fuck you.
>>531826300That’s a butch chick?
>>531831639>.mp4who is this guy? gold.
>>531832794I know that’s a cosplayer but jesus if they actually do look like that i’m sold
>>531835995>>531835475>>531830756>>531831639wow... it's truly the end of times: a based argentinian for once.I live near Buzios so I'm used to the aidetic tattooed communist stoners and beach whores. they all look the same and smell the same.
>>531835995In this case, I'm using the words I think are most accurate to describe the situation.Gender: The expression of the male and female of a sexually dimorphous species.Gender Roles: The collection of behaviours associated with the Genders of the species.These Gender Roles aren't always desireable or undesirable, but we need to look at them to see if they are shit.I think, men's are currently shit and need to be changed. And you change them by deciding what you want, rejecting extraction, and relinquishing materialism in some form or another.
>>531826300>Jeet makes his first big boy post
>>531838618Show flag.
>>531838520You wasted your time at university by getting a degree in gender studies. We get it OP. You're a faggot.
>>531838825Nah, it wasn't gender studies.Separate from the aesthetics, you seem to agree with me though. We both recognize that men shouldn't be simps for the globohomo, should demand more form society for their efforts, and should spend time meditating on what they really want in life.
>>531826300If youre not using A.I. to goon to genderswapped versions of yourself then you're not living
>>531839178Yeah, but what if you AI swap yourself and you don't like how you look?
>>531839917Then you got bad genetics i guess homie
>>531826534that thing aint white
>>531842221Yes she is.
>>531826517why the fuck do they look like thisyou can be a lesbian and not be a psycho fucking dyke lolat least dress like a girl not like fucking elie from the last of us 2
>>531844826>you can be a lesbian and not be a psycho fucking dyke lolNo you cant. Their larp would fall apart if they didnt use all the crutches they can get their hands on.There is a reason they love wearing lumberjack shirts so much.
