>>531989651Can't we just plant more green?
>>531989651>measuring temps in cities, filled with concrete and niggers; surfaces which absorb heat. Many such cases.
>>531989651When will you admit you have no idea how things work, or why, and you will never be able to explain it away. Science is fucking gay, dude.
>>531989823ah yes if only the thousands of scientists and researchers knew that, surely you must be a genius and the only person that has ever thought of such a thing
>>531989823>scientist take into account the urban heat island effect for that, also if you look at basin wide data or weather stations in natural ecosystems, they are all experiencing a historically hot march.
>>531989788Depends on where you are in the world
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>>531989651Yeah, anyone with more than one brain cell. C02 doesn't do shit other than feed trees. Rising levels directly correspond with expanding global tree coverage, and they do not correlate directly with rising temperatures. You are a retarded pawn for big business trying to capitalize on human ignorance by using guilt as a weapon. Humans have literally nothing at all to do with the climate.You know what directly coincides with rising temperatures around the globe? Abnormal sunspot activity. Huge bursts of radiation larger than our entire planet wafti g through the solar system in our general vicinity. And more of it gets through than ever before because the magnetosphere is weakening due to the ongoing pole shift. Worthless libshit drone just gonna make the same exact fucking thread tomorrow. It's funny you hate them so much because you argue exactly like a slimey fucking kike.
>>531990237Explain this graph to me please
>>531989940if only scientist and researchers didn’t get their funding from governments and corporations with financial incentives to show rising temperatures. Take your hockey stick graph and shove it up your ass sideways, nigger.
>anthropogenic CO2 emissionsis that a fancy word for jewish weather machine
>>531990623true, it's much better to just be a fucking retard like yourself that knows nothing about anything
if you have pale skin you don't belong and will be wiped out
>>531989940>ah yes if only the thousands of scientists and researchers knew that, surely you must be a genius and the only person that has ever thought of such a thing
>>531990623What are the financial incentives? You cant name one.The only financial incentives come from the fossil fuel industry spreading the climate change denial hoax. Fossil fuel companies have infinitely more money, power and influence than any climate scientist.
>>531990838Who is funding them? Ultra hard mode because no one is currently in the united states.
your premise is flawed because you are not accounting for the fact that non-human entities rule over you and they -cannot- tolerate the sun's increasingly powerful raysthey want you to share their fearthey -need- you to share that fearare you pale? then you are their children
>>531989651>howwell facts are important yes?http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/19962/climate-emergency-hoaxsee river stones in europe from 500 years ago severe drought heat waves>500 years ago>500 years agohttp://www.google.com/search?q=river+stones+europe
>>531989651the east just came out of the coldest winter in decadesIm glad it warmed tf up
>>531991499High anon, the east had a winter that in the majority of places was barely in the top 25 coldest winters ever recorded, while almost everywhere in the west had the hottest or second hottest winter ever recorded. The reason why people in the east thought the winter qas so cold was due to a phenomenon called shiffying climate baselines, where you get accustomed to warmer winters so when you have a slightly colder than average winter, everyone freaks out.
>>531989788Sure. But the problem is excess carbon dioxide. Key word being excess.
>>531989930>When will you admit you have no idea how things work,That isn't the point. It's the repetition of a lie that counts for that subniggers full of feces (the reason they make Indian poo memes that much btw. - relaxation). The use the most dumb wording possible (change - without change no climate). It's addressed to the idiots, not to a thinking human.
>>531991347HAHAHAHAHAHAHAYou literally linked a jewish advocacy organization denying climate change and people like>>531990838>>531990679>>531990623>>531990237Are all trying to tell me thay the climate scientists are owned by the jews.YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL SO RETATDED
>>531990969>Who is funding them?the NGO networks who get funded with grants from the EPA (pre-Trump) using tens of billions of tax dollars that was funded by Democrats during the Biden years and for decades before that as part of a concerted effort to use environmental law to impose marxist policiesor else why not talk about the good news?
>>531992332See>>531992275>>531992275The NGOs are funding climate change denial fucking dumbass
>>531992493I meant to include>>531991347
>le climate change science cult
>>531992765>le You have to go back
>>531989651Unusually cold and rainy here.
>>531992976Im so jealous. It hasn't rained since October where im at.
>>531992493>The NGOs are funding climate change denialthere's no money to be made without carbon credit markets and no control to be had without tracked carbon footprints.
>>531989651Higher taxes will fix it.Never mind China or India, driving an electric car with a refreshing lithium battery in the United States is the answer!
>>531989651Because there is no evidence of this. If it was the issue governments would impose massive restrictions on industry, they do not.
>>531989651Climate Change is fake and gay lmao, even if it were real why would I give a singular fuck about what happens in 60 years hahahaha
>>531989651>hot>still have snow pilesheh
>>531994824>NGOS are funding climate change denialThat's literally proven in this thread that climate change denial is being funded and pushed by a zionist advocacy NGO.>no money can be made without muh carbon creditLiterally oil companies and cartels like OPEC make an infinite amount of money by pushing fossil fuels and you are shilling for them for free.
>>531994967The oil lobby has an infinite amount of money to fight against any such regulations.>if israel is hurting the US there would be laws against sending money to israelLmaoGovernments are literally preparing to exploit resources and shipping routes in the Arctic due to sea ice loss.
>>531994824Also oceans have absorbed almost all the heat from earths energy imbalance.
>>531995280>a zionist advocacy NGOsingular. lel>like OPEC make an infinite amount of moneyyes, that's reality. we should just kill all of the islamic shitskins and nuke mecca for islamic crimes against humanity, and to end their undeserved desert party.>fossil fuelsoh, you are an actual retard.
>>531989940Those same 'scientists' and 'researchers' were screaming about the earth was going into another ice age all throughout the 70s and 80s. Ice-core samples going back hundreds of thousands of years all show the atmospheric co2 follows warming/cooling tends, not the other way around. The Tongan eruption alone put out more co2 than all of humanity up to and including the industrial age, just ONE volcano dwarfs everything humanity is.The global warming greenhouse effect has already been disproven as if it were true, we'd see a warming in the upper-atmosphere as wee as the surface. Thus far, the temperature of the upper-atmosphere has remained consistent, only ground temps are going up.It much more likely that the current chaotic weather is due to the magnetic polar shift that's currently happening right now. More charged particles from the sun are getting through as the earth's magnetic field weakens and drops during a polar shift.
>>531995672oh ok random faggot on 4chan with zero credentials
>>531995672No they weren't. Only a couple of dumb reporters writing click bait articles. Im sorry you cant tell the difference between a reporter writing a click bait article and a scientist. You must be medically stupid.
This has been the dryest I've seen Colorado in like over a decade. We got snow what like 3 times this winter?
>>531995611Look at how Barry weiss and her orgs (plural) talks about climate change, you are just butt hurt
>>531995718The truth hurts don't it. Go back to your shitty bill nye and black science guy idols you philistine.
>>531995672>only ground temps are going up.and there is no such thing as a global average surface temperature because 99% of the data is interpolated fabrication subject to "expert" adjustment after not taking into account the urban placement of many of their reading stations.
>>531995802Its actually one of the driest of all time in the mountains of Colorado. They have record low snowpack
We will own nothing and be happy. Weird how climate-obsessed liberals and leftists still whine about not being able to own a home and rich people living better lives. Clearly, they're allowed because they're better than us or whatever and we have to own less to save the environment. Materialist marxists whining about climate change and rich people will never not be funny.
>>531995931Not to mention all the straight up fraud they were caught doing trying to prove their theories
>>531989940Why would a group release a study that puts them out a job? How are you still falling for this shit?
>>531995906yeah dude you're such a badass for being openly retarded
>>531989651Easy, just look at the record low temperatures in winter and ignore them.
>>531989651What heat? Its been colder than normal.
>>531995830I don't care if some kike is trying to cash in on shit that's been said for the last 30 fucking years. people have been saying that the global warming claims as purely human caused was bullshit since before the "hide the decline" email leaks which derailed the Copenhagen conference.
>>531995931The "expert" adjustment is literally them harmonizing measurements across data sets ensured with different methods and controlling for factors like the urban heat island effect that >>531989823 was crying about.You guys will both cry about things and then when scientist control for those things you will cry about it again lmao.>there's no such thing as a global average temperature.You are just self reporting that you are a smooth brained moron.
>>531996084Go be a bot somewhere else, I hear reddit is great for idiots who want to feel smart, you'll fit right in.
>>531989651That's great. So when are we going to eradicate international trade since they contributes way more to greenhouse gases than anything else. Top 20 container ships produce more pollution than every car on earth combined. Yet I've never heard a single green faggot say we need less trade from china. Funny how that works.
>>531996108Ignore your lying eyes! Every place on earth is hotter than the global average! And every place on earth is always experiencing the hottest temperatures that it ever has, even if you live there and they clearly aren't.
>>531996230Nah man I only trust the experts on 4chan, this is clearly a bastion of knowledge. Please explain more about how science is fake on your phone/computer, which could only exist because of science
>>531989940The replication crisis exists because most scientists are producing fraudulent papers. Most sensors designed to track global temperatures are placed in heat islands like parking lots or adjacent to human buildings.
>>531991920That's a direct lie. Florida had the coldest, driest year in a quarter century. The temperature right now in Southern Florida is in the '70s and rainy.
>>531989651It's the magnifying effect of blocking the sun with metal particles which only strengthens the sun's intensity. Bill gates did this.
>>531989977Another lie. When they say they account for it, what they mean is they know they're lying and they choose to ignore it.
>>531989651CO2 is plant food.
>>531996227fabricated, then harmonized
>>531996311>science is all knowing because of parlor tricks.I swear, talking to a worshipper of science is identical to talking to a theist. What next, you gonna start waving the magic 'millions of years' wand so you'll never have to prove your shitty theories about nature? Yall are brainwashed.
>>531996111Your point got completely debunked so your just shifting lmao>hide the decline.I guarantee your not smart enough to even understand that scandal where carbon isotopes from tree rings in northern latitudes decreased while all available instrumentation showed an increase in global temp. This isnt the slam dunk you think it is.
>>531989651It's 53 degrees. That's normal.
>>531990911The carbon credit grift, for one you retarded shill.
>>531989977kek not where I am at. Its perfect weather, a touch chilly. Dont care about climategate retard bait threads.
>>531996544>Your point got completely debunkedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra
>>531996235We need a localized economy and degrowth>you've literally never talked to an environmental activist
>>531993083McConnell Air Force Base?
>>531989940Good job they're all able to be 100% honest and not dependent upon jews for their livelihood, eh?
>>531996492Why are you posting a screenshot of hugokulture lmao
>>531996543>technology is just "parlor tricks" nice self report retard
>>531996544>I guarantee your not smart enough to even understand that scandal where carbon isotopes from tree rings in northern latitudes decreased while all available instrumentation showed an increase in global temp. This isnt the slam dunk you think it is.Michael Mann made Gore-bull warming. they had to hide the line which was declining behind other lines on the graph. all part of the scam. the world is going to end, give us all of your money and living standards.
>>531996480Yes we learned this in 6th grade. Good job anon
>>531996690if all science was just made up for the sake of corporate profit, how could you trust anything? How could you trust that your pc turns on when you press the "on" button? after all the scientists that help to develop your computer are just shills, right? How can you trust this website, that only exists due to scientific research that led to the creation of the internet? It really doesn't get much more low iq than this honestly
>>531989651"climate change" is woke lib propaganda.
>>531989651Easy. There is literally no evidence humans are causing climate change.
>>531996830why would I trust the same networks of grifters that spread the ozone hole lie?
>>531996750>post-Hitler eugenics movement...Hitler I tells ya!
>>531996690Holy fuck read the thread retard.>>531991347>>531992275>>531995280
>>531996830Congratulations. You just figured out why nobody trusts experts anymore.
>>531996735Is English not your first language? Do you not know what parlor trick means? How embarrassing, go ask claud or some other dumb computer to think for you as you seem to be lacking brains.
>>531989651When do we start murdering all climate fags?
>>531996668Show me one single article saying we need to end international trade.>Inb4 they posted it from their iphone
>>531996830>How could you trust that your pc turns on when you press the "on" button?Push the "on" button. See what happens.
>>531996911That's what I'm asking you, why do you trust them?>>531996918You do every time you type in "4chan.org">>531996946If you think a computer is just a parlor trick you are a retard, I'm sorry you had to find out this way
>>531996750If it was made up in 1975 how was this paper published in the 1938 lol
>>531996948No need, they're so dumb that they spontaneously forget to breathe
>>531997001ah so you observe recordable phenomenon? so do climate scientists
>>531989651You're confusing weather with climate.
>>531997021Seriously, go look up the definition, go watch an episode of faggot bill nye, and stop embarrassing yourself on the internet.
>>531996992(I agree with you, anon. Also...) Show me one single article saying we need to end industrial warfare. (Climate activists are strangely silent about the MIC and war.)
>>531997040>If it was made up in 1975 how was this paper published in the 1938 lolpiss off, faggot
>>531996992Sure read this for starters published in Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04412-x
>>531997021>why do you trust them?who is them?
>>531997073>so do climate scientistsSo adorable that you believe that.
>>531997144ok retard, you think cell phones are magic lmao, you're dumber than a third worlder
>>531997212you just choose not to for whatever retarded reason
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>>531997159It's almost like they're just mouthpieces for the powers that be in order to pied piper us into going against our best interests or something.
>>531997188It says we need to stop growing, not stop trading with one another.
>>531997219Man, arguing with illiteracy is so fun, keep seething
>>531989651>How can anyone still deny anthropogenic CO2 emissions are causing climate change?Because people that fly around in private jets are trying to tax you for driving a car.
>>531997350when they post stale memes and say "seething" you know you've won
>>531990393Theres no physical ceiling on the atmosphere so when gas absorbs heat the air simply rises, density lowers, and the temperature gradient is essentially unchanged. If anything, IR absorbing gases transport heat away from the surface faster, which is why coastal regions and wet forests cool faster than deserts
>>531997404Remember when taylor swift used an airplane to fly from one side of saint louis to the other? That was pretty funny.
>>531989651NATURAL VARIATIONS, FAGGOT!CO2 IS NOT A DRIVER OF THERMAL INCREASE, BUT A TRAILING EFFECT!FAGGOT!
>>531989651Okay, climate change exists. How will paying more taxes, living in pods, eating bugs, and importing millions of browns fix it?
>>531990911Regulation of energy industry so that big industry has less competition and price instability by screening out new entrants who can’t afford carbon compliance
>>531989651It's not CO2, it a weakening magnetosphere due to an upcoming polar shift. And there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.
>>531997422>Only da freshest memes ate bitchin' nuff fo mehYou sound entitled like a nigger. Post hand w/ timestamp so I can laugh at yo monkey ass ladashah
New England Chad here, this has been one the of the coldest winters on record and we got TWO separate days with 2 feet of snow in 24 hours. Never seen anything like it.
>>531997678you'll say anything but a rational argument huh?
>>531997255>It's almost like...Pretty much. Some of them may be misguided/misinformed "true believers" but it does seem like most of them are just hacks who will say anything for that paycheck.
>>531997166Damn you have changed your argument so many timesFirst it was:> they are doing it for money!I debunked that, climate denial is much better fundedThen it was> but they control the data for things like different instrumentation and the urban heat island effect!This isnt a problemAfter that it was>global average temp doesn't exist!Thats just a braindead argument lmaoAnd then>bbbbbbut what about hide the decline that one thing that happened in 1999How do carbon isotopes in tree ring data in some places in the northern hemisphere debunk all the climate science, especially because we have many other lines of evidence published after 1999And then>IT WAS MADE UP IN 1975!!!!!!!!!!how were papers being published about it far before 1975 then hahahah. Now its>the warming potential of co2 is already saturated.No its not you got thay figure from a blog. The saturation isnt going to occur until the atmosphere reaches 1000 ppm, and thays not counting any other ghg
>>531997478Remember when kylie jenner used her private jet to fly from one side of los angeles to the other? Good times!
>>531997746Why bring rationality to an animal like you? You've already proven yourself incapable of such things at the getgo, bringing garbage logical fallacies
>>531997550The oil lobby has infinite money and it would never let this happen. Why are you shilling for them for free. At least get paid to do it.
>>531989651the ai will ship you weekly canisters of oxygen to your door while it pollutes the air
>>531997914lmao says the "computers are magic tricks" guy
>>531997523Please explain this figure >>531990393
>>531997541If you give more money to the criminal scumbags who masquerade as "government" they will end the Climate Catastrophe™.
>>531989651That some problem, but there the stone that impacts the earth.
>>531997976Go back to worshiping black science man on reddit faggot, you are clearly out of your element here
>>531989651>cities
>>531992002Excess plants deal with excess CO2
>>531998091name some more reddit memes you know faggot
>>531989651Zug island, and example of that; chemicals there in the water, and the air.
>>531989651>more climate cultist bullshitFuck off
>>531997458>There is no ceiling on the atmosphereHow does all the atmosphere get sucked into space then. Its held by gravity. Just because hot air rises doesn't prove anythingYou are misunderstanding how ghg reflect radiation back to earth, they dont trap the heat and then let it rise in the atmosphere, they absorb it and re emit it back to earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jVrcicrXzI
>>531997967Yeah, but they can't shut AI down because one day the AI might help solve the environmental problems caused by AI.
>>531998163Not nearly to the scale we need.
Kys.>>531990057>>531990092Kek
Browns and retards can.
>>531989788boomers like my neighbor will just cut it down because leaves bad
>>531998362They absorb it and transpire. The energy “sent back” to Earth is “sent back” into the air at the speed of light. The idea the heat is “trapped” assumes all this CO2 on average isnt moving but it is.This is all because climate models using radiative “trapping” completely exclude the role of pressure and advection in creating the surface climate
>>531998423CO2 is not changing the climate or the weather. There is not enough CO2 in the atmosphere to have any effect on temperatures or anything else.
>>531996351Replication crisis is more of a psychology and medicine thing.Fields where people do not know statistics.
global average temperature rising is undeniable happening but the science behind it is also 99.9% opportunistsic grift and flodded with bullshit.Like in this hell hole, academics are forced to publish to get further in their cozy university carrier but be aware, anyone daring to venture outside the approved narrative is bullied, canceled and fired.
>ctrl + f nuclear>0 resultsyup, more anti western anti white propoganda while chinksects and shitskin poojets continue to power dump biowaste (their citizenry + toxic waste) into the oceans
>>531998647Thats not true and we can directly observe it, not model it through the earths energy imbalance. This is literally simple bathtub physics if more energy is trapped than is re emitted, the earth is going to warm
>>531990057>>531990092Heh. We have a new meme format here
>>531989651Manmade climate change is a money grab and all of the faggots that support it are either brainlets or have figured out how to get in on the grift.
Zug island an example of people that have power but they use it the wrong way; and that situation happens to several areas of the earth.
>>531999147Thats not true and please read the thread before posting the same comment thays been debunked like 30 times. Thanks 4 the bump though I guess see>>531992275>>531992493>>531995280And others im to lazy to find.
>>531995718He's not wrong."Experts" have been demonstrating their absolute failure to predict a whole bunch of massive civilization impacting bullshit.
>>531989651It not the cars, it something like a stone that impacts the earth.
>>531989930Anti-science capitalist retards always think they know best
>>531999805Most of these are from club of Rome faggots and I agree they should not be taken seriously
>>531998982Why do you always start your charts at the coolest part of 1959 anon?Tell the story from the beginning of the century....Oh dear, it was even warmer than today!How could that be so, with only half the CO2 planet poison?
>>531989977They arnt credible. Science serves politics.
>>531989651So what if humans are causing this?
>>532001180thats when satellites started measuring earths energy imbalance. That was responding directly to a discussion about radiative forcing and models. I was explaining we dont need to model the radiative forcing we directly can measure it.Also a temp graph of a single point is meaningless in this discussion but I can tell by your question most of thos is going over your head.
>>532001193And politics serves lobbiesAnd the oil lobby is one of the biggest lobbies. Please please please see the replies mentioned in this post >>531999287
>>532001019Still, the press \ media pushed the disasters predicted by experts.
>>532001462And I can tell by your arguments that even if you were submerged in a sea of common sense, you would never change your mind. You are locked in a quagmire of "settled science"
>>532001623>the heartland institutePLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU TRUST SCIENCE FUNDED BY JEWS and zionists (see this post >>531992275) and the oil lobby (heartland institue) which is funded directly by fossil fuels corps and privately through mega corpo owners like the Kochs and the waltons. They are obviously using motivated reasoning amd do not go through peer reviewBut when a climate scientist publishes something who is working class (making around 75000 a year) and is just doing research because they care about the planet you scream how they are just doing it for money.Make it make sense
>>531998982The earths energy balance is made up. The “missing heat” is just the fact that heat energy is converted into potential energy because the atmosphere is uplifted by advection.Again you completely fail to model this big dumb obvious feature of physics. Climate science is a set of meme copypasta like a Christian apologist might use
>>531998982It also doesn’t help that all climate models use CO2 levels as an input then assume that corresponds to heat because the model says so. You’re not showing me data that actual energy is being trapped you’re showing me data that reflects the output of a model which takes CO2 as an input and assumes heat trapping using flawed hydrostatic reasoning
>>531989651sucks that sierra skiing closing early
>>531990393this is 4chan, we are all high school dropouts
>>531995611its not the T that kills you, but the dT/dt
>>532003087>>532003248Your argument is just confusing a real process with a misunderstanding of the actual energy budget. Yes, when air is uplifted some heat is temporarily converted into gravitational potential energy, but that energy is not lost, it comes back when air sinks and compresses elsewhere. And that process is already accounted for in atmospheric physics and climate models. Additionally import the magnitude of thay conversion is tiny relative to the global energy budget, and it cannot store energy long term. There isnt some mysterious “missing heat” bucket, we are directly measuring where the energy is going, and the answer is overwhelmingly the oceans, with additional contributions from land warming and ice melt.The key point you are missing is that advection and uplift do not create or remove energy, they only redistribute it. Moving air around the planet is like moving money between accounts, it does not change the total balance. The global energy imbalance is measured independently by satellites and confirmed by direct observations of increasing ocean heat content, so there is no place for that energy to be hiding. If this mechanism actually explained the imbalance, we would not see a persistent increase in stored energy in the Earth system, but we do, and it lines up across multiple independent measurements.
>>531990393Consider the area under the curve. Observe that the radiant absorption peak provided by CO2 on the left is a tiny portion of the non-reflected spectrum, and that the larger peak on the right is overlayed in great portion by water, which by far absorbs more spectrum, and that therefore CO2's role in energy absorption is a tiny fraction of that area under the curve, far less than 1%. Then consider how anthropogenic processes are the thinnest sliver of CO2 emissions compared to massive natural processes, and could not possibly have a measurable impact on global atmospheric temperatures. And then kill yourself.
>>531989651Op probably complains about gas prices
>>532001462The low radiation in the upper atmosphere is because the energy is converted into potential energy dummy
>>5319896511) How do they know this was caused by climate change?2) What's the problem with climate change?
>>532003992The median temperature is at the median pressure line and it’s exactly the black body average. There’s no energy budget, no imbalance. You’re just wrong
>>531989651My fig trees embrace the heat. They are growing like 4 inches aweek
>>532006408Fuckkkk I forgot the earth was a black body, my bad.
>>532003992Where does the energy go?Into space in equal amounts to the energy that makes it in.It’s just that pressure dynamics make the surface hotter and the upper atmosphere colder. Which you lot mistakenly attribute to heat being blocked by radiative back flow
>>531989651When kikes and their shabbos goons stop importing millions of niggers each year I'll start believing what they say about emissions and the 'risk' of climate change.
>>532006127Water is the biggest ghg but it is in equilibrium and, importantly, has a very short residence time as well as only being concentrated in the lower atmosphere.. Co2 and the other ghgs cover spectra not absorbed by water and are lighter so also are more concentrated in the higher atmospher so they are absorbing spectra not absorbed by water, absorbing spectra in the upper atmosphere and crucially they are not in equilibrium
>>532006514No the energy is absorbed by the ocean. We should have equal energy incoming as we do outgoing but we dont. And we can measure the difference directly.
>>532006575They are pushing climate denial retard please read the thread let me direct you to these posts>>531992275>>531991347
>>532006575Climate change science is a mental trap for midwits and sycophants its cult nonsense that requires you to view science didactically where you regurgitate the structure of the theory and use the modeled (not observed) data to describe truth.It exists obviously to regulate carbon the primary input to industry and is part of a deindustrialization agenda. The purpose of this agenda is to impose austerity and force people to beg for food and products that are permanently scarce so humans can be more easily controlled. It also protects big business - who can afford to comply - from competition.Remember that no one actually “owns” the oil companies so theres no actual greed model thing profitability to a desire to harm nature. These companies like the defense industry and so forth are owned institutionally and are controlled by power networks that manage the Western industrial cartels. Their level of concern is stifling outside competition and managing the consumer cattle who give stable revenues to their entire suite of products and services.
>>532006802That is not a direct measurement. The satellite firmware has CO2 inputs built in. The raw data free of “climate theory” never actually leaves the satellites. Otherwise you have a hot surface and cold upper atmosphere so if you scientifically ignore advection and deem true the bullshit radiative trap model, then you explain the cold upper atmosphere as “heat is being blocked”. No thats stupid
If you believe in man made climate change then you must also agree that all cities must be demolished, every one living in them killed and nature allowed to return.
>>532006863Controlled opposition. Most institutional denialism supports the model of back radiative warming and attacks people who call it out. This is the classic model of Jewish controlled opposition. It only exists to suppress the actual dissenters.Same shit with the “alt right”. White supremacists who somehow are all gay Jews and support Israel because people who oppose Israel are “brown”
>>532006953>no one owns the oil companiesThis is a dumb argument but these are the corpos you are shilling for free with the largest stakeholders. If anyone thinks that these people are trying to push the climate change agenda you are medically retardedThese are the groups /pol/ shills for for free (you should at least get paid for it)>ExxonMobil:Vanguard GroupBlackRockState Street Corporation>ChevronVanguard GroupBlackRockState Street Corporation>ConocoPhillipsVanguard GroupBlackRockState Street Corporation>EOG ResourcesVanguard GroupBlackRockState Street Corporation>Occidental PetroleumBerkshire HathawayVanguard GroupBlackRock>Marathon PetroleumVanguard GroupBlackRockState Street Corporation
>>531989823Don't be retarded, this doesn't only happen in cities
>>532007088You are completely misunderstanding the satellite measurements are measuring incoming and outgoing radiation. This is completely separate from the co2 measurements
>>531989977>>scientist take into account the urban heat island effect for thatHey mister scientist, how much extra heat do these heat islands make compared to the 'actual' temperature?>About 10 degreesOkay so when you accounted for this, what temperature did you deduct from the measurement?>About 5 degrees, because we need to push a message that things are getting hotter, we do this by adjusting the temperatures incorrectly on purposeOh...
>>531990623This. Can't think of a single deep pocketed industry with extreme financial incentive to oppose CO2 argument.
>>531989823Bro, I live in a small town in the PNW and it felt like summer on several days throughout this month.
>>531990057>>531990092Top zozzles.
>>532007395lol you literally just proved my point.
>>532007720Not one.>>532007395
>>532007500It’s not. I’ve researched this. The satellites estimate outgoing radiation by calibrating raw data with models of CO2 levels. It’s phony dataAll climate change data is like this
>>532007567They actually just “adjust” the rural sites to be hotter to “match” the urban sitesClimate the science is the jew of science
>>532008300There are no “capitalists” only jews
>>532008300That was sort of my point but you're yet another in a parade of retards who dont know how ETFs and mutual funds work
>>532008258No these companies have people who are profiting from them. They are publicly traded (like any company on the stock market) but their are real people at the top who control and make infinite amount of money here is a list of the people in control who tou are shilling for, for free.Larry Fink — Chairman & CEO, BlackRockRob Kapito — President, BlackRockPhilipp Hildebrand — Vice Chairman, BlackRockMark Wiedman — Senior leadership, global client businessSalim Ramji — CEO, VanguardGreg Davis — Chief Investment Officer, VanguardRon O'Hanley — CEO, State StreetJames Rhee — Senior leadership (asset management side)Board members (BlackRock + Vanguard + State Street)Murry Gerber — Board member, BlackRockPamela Daley — Board member, BlackRockHans Vestberg — Board member, BlackRockMark Loughridge — Chairman, Vanguard boardAmy Gutmann — Vanguard boardWanda Austin — Vanguard boardSarah Bloom Raskin — Vanguard boardOil companiesDarren Woods — CEO, ExxonMobilKathryn Mikells — CFO, ExxonMobilMike Wirth — CEO, ChevronPierre Breber — CFO, ChevronRyan Lance — CEO, ConocoPhillipsBill Bullock — CFO, ConocoPhillipsVicki Hollub — CEO, Occidental PetroleumSunil Mathew — CFO, Occidental PetroleumConcentrated capital influence (large stakes / capital allocators)Warren Buffett — Major investor (Occidental Petroleum)Ajit Jain — Insurance & capital allocation influenceGreg Abel — Oversees non-insurance operationsYour argument that they are publicly traded so they dont have the greed incentive is one of the dumbest thing ive ever heard.They actually have a legal requirement to make their shareholders as much money as possible.
>>531989651Delete India world heals
OP and his friends are all niggers
>>532008359Okay you are a retarded. They use radiometers dumbass. They dont calibrate anything to CO2
>>532008411No they dont after adjustment the temp is lower than the raw data. You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>532008609Lol. This is part of the climate science copypasta. Their whole argument has to include the dumbest 1970s theory of the capitalist conspiracy that completely avoids any real treatment of elite politics. Where the climate activists are scrappy academics and revolutionaries fighting the man. Where somehow the Club of Rome, WEF, Maurice Strong dont exist
>>532008724See>>531992275You are falling for their lies
>>531989788You are a kike, so this should be obvious to you, but the kikes in control of our (((governments))) cannot make money off of making life better, they can only make money by making life worse, and so planting green things, something that only has net positives entirely, is something you kikes will never do.
>>531989651every single season change>2019 IS GOING TO BE THE COLDEST HARSHEST WINTER ON RECORD>2020 SUMMER IS GOINGTO BE THE HOTTEST SUMMER IN HISTORY>2020 WINTER WILL BE THE COLDEST SHIT YOUVE EVER WITNESSED>2021 THIS SUMMER WILL KILL YOUR KIDS AND FAMILY>2021 WINTER YOUR DICK WILL FALL OFF ITS SO COLDthis shit never ends im so tired
>>532008810Look up the fucking data model dipshit the data is filtered through firmware that takes CO2 as input
>>532008928I mean i already called the club of Rome retarded faggots in this thread so at least we can agree on one thing
>>532008843They do and have been caught doing so and now they don’t publish their data because they argue if they prove their methods it invites “disinformation” so instead it’s just trust them bros.Arguing with climate retards is how I got redpilled on Jews. You won’t find a more obstinate, clearly paid to be here, set of lying snakes online. I learned exactly what pilpul is from them.
>>532008970Its on you to provide a source to show how the CERES uses CO2 to calibrate the sensors that measure radiative fluxes.Until then you win the dumb bitch award
the only people saying global warming/climate change is happening/real are scientists in antarctica and everyone saying otherwise are mouthpieces of oil companies
>>532008995They invented your bullshit science. Actually Exxon invented it in the 1950s in a failed bid to regulate the industry where NGOs as fronts for big oil money revived climate the activism in the 1970s because of Club of Rome’s efforts. Hansen primarily pieced the theory together and then a whole industry was set up around bullshitting about climate after Hansen’s models hilariously failed in the late 90sArrhenius’s speculation and Foote’s ridiculously bad science was already discredited by the 1930s but Exxon revived it in the 50s because they were scraping the bottom of the barrel.I mean, look at how they started with the global cooling bullshit and course corrected. The 1970s created the massive NGO faced global agenda apparatus which carbon regulation is a key component of. The integration of government, business, finance, academia, media.
>>531989651Yeah, this didn’t happen. And the more you preach the end of the world, the less people believe you. Fuck’s sake, you’ve been saying the same shit since the 1970s and it has never been true
>>532009058All the data is literally open source at least you can find both raw and adjusted values here: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/cdo-web/You are just being retarded on purpose at the point
>>532009364If it was invented in the 1950s explain how this paper was published in 1938: >>531997040This is all so tiresome ive prebunked half the arguments being made.
>>532009139>NASA’s Clouds and the Earth’s Radiant Energy System (CERES) project integrates CERES, Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS), and geostationary satellite observations to provide top-of-atmosphere (TOA) irradiances derived from broadband radiance observations by CERES instruments. It also uses snow cover and sea ice extent retrieved from microwave instruments as well as thermodynamic variables from reanalysis. In addition, these variables are used for surface and atmospheric irradiance computations.It literally makes up the surface temps through reanalysis AKA taking top of atmosphere (a fake concept) raw readings and running them through a CO2 inputted “assumes global warming is real” model.You didn’t know this? This is the basic functionality of CERES. It cant actually read surface temps, it calculates them using climate models based on bad science then takes the result and says “hurr muh energy budget”Weather satellites typically show no net warming so they built CERES literally just to claim “muh deep satellite shows warming”Fake ass science as shit. Pathetic frauds
>>531989651Lmao at thinking we have anything to do with climate change
>>532009668Im talking about the radiative fluxes not the earths temperature. We've been having this convo for loke an hour how to you keep forgetting what I'm talking about. You are being obtuse on purpose and dodging the actual points im making. Again nothing to do with how they use co2 to calibrate the radiometers.You are still winning the dumb bitch award.
>>532009767study this image of a burning upside down concentration camp oven.
>>532009509Callender was an amateur who added nothing to Arrhenius’s theory other than updating estimated CO2 levels. He was widely critiqued at the time because in the 1930s scientists had already come to understand that Arrhenius was wrong.Want to know why they learned Arrhenius was wrong?1) High altitude balloon measurements of the pressure gradient leading to models of the atmosphere that discredited simple radiative greenhouse theory2) More sophisticated thermodynamics which understand radiative heat trapping to be a laugh.I said the bad theory was invented in the 1800s and revived in the 50s after being discredited by the 1930sYou produced one paper by a panned discredited amateur in the 1930s. Is that meant to be an argument?You see how you’re not actually engaging with argumentation and instead pumping out gotcha memes from your meme folder in service of “messaging” about “Exxon knew” when thats not even the point?This is why climate activists are dumb and annoying as hell.
>>532009776The median temperature of the atmosphere is it’s black body predicted average around -18CThe net flux is 0CERES uses funny math to alter the raw readings into fitting the climate models.
>>532009776What CERES does is see the energy coming out is equal to the energy going in but then says >but derp what about the “trapped” heat in our theory because look at the CO2 down there it must be trapping heat that my sensor cant “see” so I have to add in that heat on top of the raw data to then produce an accurate energy budgetLike, you didn’t know this?
>>532010059I mean i cant take you seriously if your argument is that in thermodynamics they have completely debunked the idea of radiative trapping. No physicist would agree with that.
>>532010303You haven't linked me a single source you just keep on saying that. Just because you say>duh you didnt know thatDoesn't make it true. They dont use co2 to calibrate their radiometers. You are still winning the dumb bitch award.
>>531992332>decades before that as part of a concerted effort to use environmental law to impose marxist policiesMay we see these Marxist policies?
>>531989651Nobody on this board has the physics knowledge or math knowledge to base their arguments quantitatively haha. Truth is, most atmospheric dynamicists and physicists across the world have already came to a consensus supported by the above.
>>532010552Yeah, nobody knows or cares about math anymore sadly. Days of legends like Newton and Boltzmann are coming to an end.
>>532010552>no physicist would agree with thatAnd keep their job
>>532010870They don’t even model the radiative effect of the pressure gradient and minimize the role of kinetic and potential energy when the entire height of the atmosphere is driven by it.
>How can anyone still deny anthropogenic CO2 emissions are causing climate change?Because the same people claiming it's a threat fully support bringing people from low per capita carbon footprint countries to high per capita carbon footprint countries (e.g., India to Canada) where they'll produce far more emissions.This tells me that they are lying and either don't really believe in anthropogenic climate change, or believe in it but actually want it to happen.
>>531989651It's the sun, doofus. Globohomo ESG communism won't spare you from the coming micronova.
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>>531989651>The Athenians have angered the gods and caused this terrible heat wave.I wonder who the first person to blame his political enemies for bad weather was. I am guessing it has been going on since the invention of language.
>>532011791Why are temps rising when we are entering a grand solar minimum?
>>531989651>coldest winter of my life>0 degrees for 2 months straight>2 days in march are 70 degreesMUH GLOBAL WARMING AAAHHHHHHHH
>>532012104Earth's magnetic field is significantly weaker now than it was at the time of the Carrington flare. We're seeing auroras far more south and much larger geomagnetic storms than the solar activity would suggest. That energy gets dumped into the upper atmosphere especially at the poles, warming them up and destabilizing weather patterns. The IPCC keeps having to revise their models with less and less CO2 sensitivity but the carbon cultists just won't let go.
>>532011448Which specific equations/parameterization do you think is wrong and what observational evidence supports your alternative?
>>532012104They’re not that data is the product of a model not the raw readings
>>531989651anthro-po-mo-genericwhat that fuuug? Bro, are you some kinda genius or sumthin? Wow. Anthropomogeneric. Whew!
>>531989651I’m still curious why all the records that are being smashed from like the 1920s or something It’s like it was hot, then it cooled down, now it’s getting hot again
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>>531989651Shut up, faggot. March has the most widely varying and unusual weather like every fucking year.
>>532012755The temperature gradient is caused by pressure and the fact that the atmosphere is sort of inflated like a tire due to the average heat it retains from the sun. Climate idiots think that the distribution of trace CO2 across density creates the temperature gradient as they act like without greenhouse gases the Earth would be like the moon temperature wiseWhat they neglect to model is that surface solar radiation is transferred conductively into gas molecules and transported mainly physically to radiate out over time and as energy distributes to the poles. Once advective cells take air over the median pressure line, a lot of that solar energy is converted into potential energy and the gas has to cycle back down into the tropics before it can finish radiating out to space.All greenhouse gas does is move air in the cells faster.Radiative greenhouse is wrong because it doesn’t allow for the density gradient to change in response to higher temperatures “trapping” the heat but actually they would.Regardless, the density gradient is largely influenced by the kinetic motion of air which received most of its energy by conduction. The influence of radiation absorbing gases is minimal. Theres no “tipping point”
>>531998721that
>>532013042Urban heat island is real and causes unprecedented temps.Look at Japan.Cherry blossom bloom has been used as a proxy for temps and they change exactly in line with Japanese post-war urbanization which is slightly off cadence with global CO2 increase.Meanwhile, Japanese pacific islands show almost no climate change.Massive solar farms cutting down trees will increase regional temps as well
>>531989651It honestly something like a stone, think about during 1812; there was some former civilization.
>>531989651So its from massive oil fires going on right now on 3 continents?
We do not remember, the extent of the events, that happened during the early 1800`s.
>>532013524Climatoids have a standard rebuttal to the urban heat island claiming a paper debunked it but if you read the paper it basically says>Using our model of climate which is not sensitive to urban heat islands, the temps in our model aren’t produce by urban heat islands All climate science is that same bullshit. Build their theory on paper, calibrate it to some starting point (typical 1980) and then fit raw data into the model’s predetermined results.
>>532013638It like some collapse of civilization, it the end of an age.
>>531989651Huh?It was pretty cool in Florida
>>531989651explain the medieval warm period, and subsequent mini ice age.
>>531989651We got 5 inches of snow last week.
>>531989651Like this:"I deny climate change, fag"
>>532013874261st post best post.
Their minds can't take the guilt of dooming themselves and everyone else
Some Apocalypse happened during the mid 1970s.
"Alladin, dont they realize that gas chamber exhaust is permanent?""Jasmine, it's like ash ketchum said." >>532011488"The gas chamber exhaust makes em act really stupid."
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>>532014074Something like that happened to US during 1812, and Britain during 1834.
>>531989651>How can anyone still deny anthropogenic CO2 emissions are causing climate change?its probably the lack of proof.>number go updoesnt mean co2 emissions are the cause.
>>531989651if climate change were real our ruling class would not have blown up the Nord pipeline. it was the largest CO2 expulsion in recorded history. no leader would willingly intensify an “extinction level event”. therefore: fake
During 1834, some X class earthquake happened; the other one they do not list the magnitude.
>>532014328You have way too much faith in our leadership lmao. Abbey Martin already confronted this in her doc earths greatest enemy. If you think the elites give a shit you literally are just cattle.
1810-1812 Severe seismic events happened.
>>532014591yes our leaders are retarded jewish clowns but they must share God’s earth with the rest of us. that’s the reason i don’t believe in chemtrails either. the ruling class & their kids breathe the same air.
>>531989651> How can anyone still believe cherry pick scientism to push global co2 tax is anything but more money towards the zillionaries?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5x9q42X96shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRc_8Dtr2MMhttps://rumble.com/v76t1qy-anika-sweetland-there-was-never-a-global-warming-trend-it-was-data-manipula.htmlhttps://seas.umich.edu/news/part-antarctic-ice-sheet-has-grown-we-still-need-protect-region
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6qMW-6KZT0"careful snake." "You didnt pack any oxygen tanks and there's gas chamber exhaust every where in your area." "You cant filter gas chamber exhaust with any gas mask.""There's gas chamber exhaust every where in your area and it makes people act really stupid and really aggressive and really apathetic.""Find the weapons storage facility key card.""Be careful snake!"-end codec call
>>532006746nigger are you trying to claim that the energy absorption and thermal insulation provided by diffuse CO2 in the atmosphere is greater than that of 4000 meter-deep water covering 70% of the world's surface ? Are you fucking retarded or is someone paying you to shill this absurd position?>it's in equilibrium41% yourself troon
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>>531989651There are too many people on the planet. The sooner the environment kills off a couple billion of them the better.
>>532017559>Using Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 Snakes with the life HUD from MGS4>Giving MGS3 Snake a Soliton RadarYour autism is making my autism angry
>>531989651You are ((((molesting the weather)))) just in time for ((((mass murdering kike)))).
>>532017899Oh my bad little bro doesn't know that I was talking about water in the atmosphere......Stay mad big dawg
>>531998423It's worth doing regardless. We should reforest and make more places green. For carbon capture and giving back to nature.
>>531989651It's still 30 degrees in DC... shut up.
>>531995611WHY IS GREENLAND CALLED GREENLAND BECAUSE IT WAS GREEN WHEN THE VIKINGS LANDED AND THEY DID'NT DRIVE SUV'S
>>531996750>population cullReduce CO2 to zeroPlants DieAnimals DiePeople DieProblem Solved.
>>531989651we were on the tail end of an ice age anyways. There is nothing but correlation between the two.
>>531989651Glerbal worming is a hooks.
>>532021458Technically not true, we are in an interracial period still in an ice age, not st the tail end, but this argument is meaningless because the interracial period would last at least another 20,000 years so basically irrelevant on any meaningful timescale.
Not my problem, why should I care if the climate changes, It probably won't affect me, if it does, I will move, besides, I will be dead soon so it really doesn't matter..
Otakon: You're in the gas chamber state again.Snake: I know.Otakon: There's gas chamber exhaust everywhere.Snake: I know.Otakon: It makes people act really stupid.Snake: I KNOW.Otakon: Like, really stupid.Snake: I KNOW.Otakon: You can't filter gas chamber exhaust with a gas mask.Snake: I KNOW.Otakon: You need oxygen tanks.Snake: I DON'T HAVE OXYGEN TANKS.Otakon: That's rough, buddy.-codec call ends.
>>531989788We have more green than ever. A natural result of CO2
>>531989651How can anyone still present a headline about high temps as evidence of anything? Not saying climate change isn't real but these posts are a retarded waste of time. If you want to lower CO2 emissions, talk to the chinks about that. The West has done its part. If the chinks and jeets aren't worried about their costal cities getting flooded that does a lot to imply this isn't a credible risk. The West isn't obligated to keep spending on costly "green energy" projects if the third world is going to do whatever the fuck anyway.
>>532014591>Abbey Martin already confronted this in her doc earths greatest enemy.Ask AI what this is:>The film presents an anti-imperialist, environmentalist critique of the United States military, characterizing it as the world’s single largest institutional polluter.>Martin connects climate change directly to U.S. militarism.So not China, that emits 3x more than us. It's all just the US military... yea that's fucktarded shitlib communist propaganda. And I say that as someone who thinks we should be spending way less on the military.
>>531989651>Solar>maximum
