Literally BILLIONS of male day old chicks are killed by being put on conveyor belts leading to BLENDERS every single year.Millions of chicks are killed every year this way in countries like United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain, etcAn individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed or spared. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proofhttps://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-isAnd the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/
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>>532132596Automatic circumcision and vaxx machine
>>532132566>>532132529yes, that bio mass is used then for feedchickens are dinosaurs and dinosaurs are bad, so that is based
>>532132529So this is where Chicken McNuggets come from, huh
>>532132639They are my relatives .Vegans should avoid organic vegan food because it uses more manure and dead baby bird bodies then conventional, it’s also cheaper
>>532132529if it's an instantaneous death then I don't give a shit.
>>532132711no bird are not your relatives birds ate your relatives long ago
>>532132638Another automatic baby chick circumcision and vaxx machine
We should be doing this to male humans too.
>>532132750>if it's an instantaneous death then I don't give a shit.Yeah, seems like this is a pretty good death for themThey are moving on a conveyor, fall a bit, and before they understand what is going on, they're shreddedI'd be happy with going that way
>>532132785we are literally supposed to eat those dinoskilling birds for no reason is based
>>532132750>I don’t care if I get shot in the head with a 9mm or a 50 caliber
>>532132852ewwwww brown apebirds are dumb food items
>>532132814Abortion has killed more human beings than all wars in the past 100 years combined.Almost all women are not veganMen are only statistically significantly more violent if only humans outside the womb are counted as victims of violence, but that’s speciesist and also discriminatory on the basis of age or location (inside or outside of body)Why is that kind of discrimination okay but not sexism? Women can’t enforce their own rights only men can
>>532132697Based.Imagine only eating lean betacuck chickenbreast instead of swallowing them whole like a basilisk gigachad.
>>532132852They clip the beaks because they’re savage little fuckers and will peck each other to death otherwise. Now you know.
I have a solution, goys, you should eat our bioengineered eggs instead! Lab grown eggs aren't real chicken eggs but taste like real chicken eggs!! This will save millions of chickens already dying by our planned bird vir---I mean this will save millions of chicken lives and the planet! And it'll be the same price as eggs now!
>>532132928'Nutrients' may be used to try and justify eating animals, but it wouldn't even classify as a trait difference since human meat would have nutrients as well.The 'nutrients' argument can factually be shown as wrong by explaining that all the nutrients a human requires can be found in plant-based foods, without the downsides of animal products.A could say:P1. X is justified in eating Y if it's needed for survival.P2. Humans need nutrients to survive.P3. Animals have the nutrients that humans require to survive.C1. Humans are justified in eating animals.B could then say:P1. X is justified in eating Y if it's needed for survival.P2. Humans need nutrients to survive.P3. Other humans have the nutrients that humans require to survive.C1. Humans are justified in eating humans.The logical process isn't sound, and simply adding another premise would make it apparent as to why.P1. X is justified in eating Y if it's needed for survival.P2. Humans need nutrients to survive.P3. Animals have the nutrients that humans require to survive.P4. Animals are not the only food source that has the nutrients that humans require to survive.C1. Animals as a food source are not needed for humans' survival, so P1. doesn't apply.C2. P1. doesn't justify humans eating animals.Simply explaining P4. will show how this argument makes no sense. If the interlocutor/s argue that survival/necessity doesn't matter and nutrients alone is a justification to eat anything, than a reduction ad absurdum (as shown above) can be made, and they'll have to admit that it's morally OK for humans to cannibalize.Quality Of LifePleasure/Preference/WhimThe trait namer expresses that the trait is his or her own personal pleasure, preference, or effectively whim: that he or she prefers it or it pleases him or her to eat animals but not to eat humans.
>>532133099>>532132928Personal whim is absurd already as a moral claim (as an extreme form of relativism), but to clarify it further and demonstrate why you can ask if this person believes him or herself to be a god. If not, ask if the morality or immorality based on this trait which refers to things he or she arbitrarily likes only apply to him?If the former is true and the person is asserting divinity via the belief that he or she alone dictates morality for the universe based on personal whim, then regarding the absurdity: QED.If the latter and it's only personally applicable, ask if it's moral for another person to eat people if that person it's pleased by them/has a preference to do so. If yes, again, QED. If no, that's a contradiction given the above -- e.g. this person does believe himself to be some kind of god dictating morality for the entire universe based on his personal whim. This just comes down to the same criticisms you can find of confused advocates of relativism.
>>532132852I'd be dead, so what would I do anyway?
>>532132529I want to raise my own chickens but the jewish urban environment I live in wouldn't allow it.Face it OP. The vegetarian diet doesn't cut it, let alone the vegan one.
>>532132529There's a billion and a half chinks tbf
>>532132529Their sacrifice is not in vain brother... delicious chicken paste is end result.
>>532133137>>532133099we use the birds stomachsbirds eat shitwe eat the birdswe are outsourcing having the stomachs
>>532133043This is only half the story. Hens are locked in tiny battery cages stuffed with other hens, the small Wire cage is so crowded that not one hen can fully spread her wings. So they go insane and peck each other or themselves. So do humans in solitary confinement long termPic related is actually a unusually large cage
>>532133146>>532132750If an animal lives a mostly bad life no human should breed them into existence. If an animal lives a mostly good life no human should cut their mostly good life short by killing them when they’re just a healthy teenager https://morallawwithin.substack.com/p/non-factory-farming-is-still-profoundly
>>532133349>>532133264they are a stomach that ingest shitthat's it
>>532133264Factory farming is horrible, I won’t dispute that but the reality is that they’re savage little fuckers. Free range chickens will peck each other to death because it’s just something they do: “pecking order.” It’s a doggy dog world.
>>532133167The vegan diet cuts it. Plenty of people who have been strict vegans for over a decade and even people who have been vegan literally their entire lives from a vegan pregnancy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v90Q4civ_ts
I ate a shitload of chicken yesterday. I’ll probably do it again today
>>532132529niggers must be feeded, dont be racist.jews must win money, dont be antisemitic
>>532133242If not having potential for an arbitrary thing is used as a moral justification to inflict harm, there are absurd consequences that follow.1. What if a human has no potential for something that a being better/more intelligence than a human has potential for?If a being having potential for a named thing (while another being doesn't), means that it's OK for the first being to eat/harm the second, it can be shown how it could be the case for other potentials to hold the first being as the one being morally OK to be eaten/harmed.For example:P1. X having potential for processing information Z fast at the same time as Y not having said potential, makes it OK for X to eat/harm Y.P2. Humans have no potential for being able to process information Z fast, while an AI does.C1. It's OK for AIs to eat/harm humans.P1. X having potential for prolonged survival without water at the same time as Y not having said potential, makes it OK for X to eat/harm YP2. Camels have the potential to survive 15 days without water, while humans don't.C1. It's OK for camels to eat/harm humans,2. What about humans that have less potential for something than other humans?
>>532133553>>532133242If a being having potential for something that another doesn't have, means that it's OK for the first being to harm the second, it would follow that if a being has *more* potential than another, it would also mean that it's OK for the first being to harm the second (as the moral worth is contingent on potential).P1. X having more potential than Y, makes it OK for X to eat/harm Y.P2. Someone with prodigious ability to do mental calculations has more potential in math than the average person.C1. It's morally OK for that someone to eat/harm average humans.P1. X having more potential than Y, makes it OK for X to eat/harm Y.P2. A child with genetical advantage has more potential to perform in sports than a child with lower genetical advantage.C1. It's morally OK for the child with more genetical advantage to eat/harm the other child.
>>532133483if you chose to be the stomach that ingest shityou will spend your days ingesting shityou need to concentrate the nutrients to afford time to do other thingsthat is why we use animals as self propelled stomachs you being vegan literally makes you less able, only less able people are vegans
>>532133483Only if you put the effort.Otherwise it's not viable. And no, people at large will not put additional effort.You can't be healthy on a cheap, lazy vegan diet. Saying so is just straight up bullshit.
>>532133459Roosters can be territorial and violent/ competitive but again environment plays a big role , humans act this way too
>>532133553You’re applying arbitrary moral standards to biological processes. A wolf eating a rabbit isn’t evil, it’s the natural order of things.
>>532133596Clarence KennedyThe Irish weightlifter is known for his 185-kilogram snatch and 220-kilogram clean & jerk at about 100kg bodyweight, lifts that he made both before and after he switched to veganism in 2016. Both of these lifts would be American records in the -105kg class, though we should point out that Kennedy has not made these lifts in competition.In an interview with BarBend, we asked why he cut out animal products from his diet.“It had nothing to do with weightlifting or performance,” he said. “I just came across a video from The Vegan Atheist on YouTube and he was criticizing another YouTuber’s defense for eating meat, and I watched a bunch of his videos (…) and I came to realize there’s just no good argument against veganism. I just felt like I needed to change my diet. It was for moral and environmental reasons. It wasn’t for performance or anything.”
>>532133703And?
>>532132529non-veganism = subhuman-ness
>>532132750Agreed, they're not suffering not are they spending their lives stuck in cages. They got off easy imo
>>532132711>They are my relatives .yes, chicken brain.
>>532133816a chicken can eat things you cannotby eating chickens you eat the impossible to eat that's the cheat codeit gets better, if you can tolerate animal milk, you have infinite food glitch and even more cheat codes, you could process the milk into cheeses
>>532133670If by cheap you mean only a few dollars a day to spend on food I’d argue you can’t be very healthy regardless of what diet you are following.However it is possible to follow a cheap lazy and healthy vegan diet. A blender helps a lot if you’re very lazy. Oats are not expensive. Rice and beans are not expensive. Even stuff like tomato soup, hemp seeds, potatoes, carrots, pumpkin seeds, so y milk (homemade or store brands) , kake, etc are not expensive. Iodine supplementation costs about 10 cents per person per YEAR according to charities like https://ign.org/about/ https://www.thelifeyoucansave.org/evaluation-hub/iodine-global-network/B12 is also very cheap
>>532134084your vegan life is only possible because of fertilizer and oil
>>532133750What moral standard isn’t arbitrary? If a wolf eating a rabbit is a biological process then so is animals or humans raping each other.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZIK9Ce0yM
>>532133907Quick deaths can still be bad
>>532134309morality only applies to interest holders that can reciprocate chicken will never reciprocateyou cannot apply morality to them
>>532132529they stole our ideas from ww2
>>532134050If black people were the only race that could eat rocks and turn them into muscle and fat on their bodies I think it’d still be wrong to farm and eat black peoples
>>532132529Legalize cock-fighting.50% of profits from gambling legally required to go to chick-welfare.Males are literally fighting to protect females.problem solved.
>>532132529I don’t care what your opinion is, fascist. Maybe go fill a meat packing plant with illegal labor
>>532134187Factory farms are only possible because of those.
>>532134457since nigger apes cannot reciprocate, you cannot apply morality to themdo whatever
>>532134187And?
>>532134523when oil runs out, vegans will die outyou are temporary noise
>>532134402So it doesn’t apply to severely permanently mentally disabled humans who are unable to reason? It’s okay to factory farm them ? Maybe for organs?
>>532132529>If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animalsI dont eat chicken anon, tastes like shit.
>>532134309That is sort of the point I’m trying to make. There’s no sound logical argument against cannibalism (save perhaps avoiding disease transmission), for example. I’m not arguing against morality, but it’s not logical and presenting proofs actually undermines your moral arguments is all I’m saying.
>>532134402Moral agency is the ability of a being to be able to distinct between morally right and wrong, and make moral judgements.While the majority of animals do not really have moral agency, some show very high levels of empathy similar to the level of humans, that make them act in the best interests of other animals - such as whales, elephants, and primates.However, there's no reason why the ability to have moral agency should define moral value.When moral agency is named as a trait, A could say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have moral agency but X does.P2. Humans have moral agency, and farmed animals do not.C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm farmed animals.B could then say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have moral agency but X does.P2. Elephants have some sort of moral agency, and human babies have no moral agency.C1. It's morally OK to allow elephants to eat/harm human babies.Or:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have moral agency but X does.P2. Humans have moral agency, and dogs to not.C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm dogs.C2. Dogs have no moral value in respect to humans.C3. It's morally OK for an infinite amount of dogs to be tortured to death on the whim of a person.This is a similar argument to naming the trait 'intelligence' (above).The quality of having moral agency is an arbitrary, unjustified line to determine whether something should be given moral consideration or not, as beings that do not possess moral agency are still sentient (ability to feel, perceive and experience subjectively).This usually turns out to be another case of 'might makes right' (X has Z quality that is not present in Y = X>Y). If anything, having moral agency entails more responsibility in regards to morality, not a clean slate of doing whatever we want to the sentient beings that do not have an arbitrary quality.
>>532132529vegans hate animals.hate them.
>>532134596if they cannot reciprocate, there is no reason to apply morality
>>532132529Well yeah hence why I'm a vegetarian who refrains from eggsI haven't looked into how milk (and thus cheese) is produced though
>>532132785>>532132638That machine removes the end of their beak so its not sharp and they cannot pet the shit out of each other, then administers vaccination.
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>>532132529life feeds on life, pussy
>>532132529You used to be able to buy those male chicks for a quarter each and raise them for meat. That would probably be like $1.50-2.00 today. Lot better than the $8 they are charging at the feed stores. Nothing better than pan fried chicken.
>>532134607It’s true of other meats too
>>532132596Poor chick chicks. This makes my heart hurt :(
>>532134631The argument against factory farming and eating humans is having a preference against it. That’s what name the trait is for, testing internal consistency
Life eats life. Life is suffering. Plants aren't any more deserving of premature death than a fucking chicken. Have you ever been around chickens? If one of them gets injured the other ones peck it until it bleeds to death.
>>532134648Prove more animals suffer or get killed on an Acre of wheat then an acre of wild land? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nZEu9B67MBILots of humans die in harvesting and transporting of crops too
>>532132529How do we scale this up for...say, Indians?
>>532132529>>532132566>>532132596>>532132638Which is why I don't buy nuggets. Sure, might sound hypocritical that I still eat chicken, but I want to believe that's at least more humane that this.
>>532134972chickens are lizards (dinos)eating them is goodeating their eggs is good
>>532134648Much less 'deathy' than literal animal farming / exploiting.Also yes a large part of vegans hate animals. But not to the extent they want to kill them, just don't want to deal with the karmic aftermath.
they kill the males because you cant raise that many males, they will FUCK each other up and endlessly fight for dominance
>>532134892Fair enough but internal consistency in an illogical argument is still an illogical argument. Don’t even get me started on Godel.
>>532134681That’s not a yes or no. Many people already have the preference that it’s morally wrong to experiment and torture human beings who are permanently severely mentally handicapped and unable to reason in order to invent new medicine. The reason is having a preference against that. Or maybe you are a moral realist and ethical naturalist and believe it’s usually objectively immoral to torture those types of humans in those circumstances
>>532135210I give you clear cut rule that is true.you are coping
>>532134708Rape / artificial insemination, the dairy industry is the veal industry, mothers separated from calves on first day of life causing emotional distress (1 day old baby humans are same way), etc
>>532134724Studies show beak trimming is painful long term
>>532134642>>532132566I was going to reply to this thread with a thoughtful response but then I noticed that it's a jewish distraction thread and that the kike is using chatgpt
>>532134745I eat living plants
>>532132529food industry!!!x)What was you thinking is in your sausages?Unicorns ?x)
>>532132529>>532132566>>532132596>>532132638>>532132785Why would I ever give a shit? There's like 100 million abortions every year
>>532135364More or less painful than being pecked to death by your fellows?
>>532134972Plants are not conscious >Have you ever been around severely mentally handicapped humans ? If one of them gets injured the other ones beat it until it bleeds to death. Therefore it’s okay to factory farm them all
>>532132529youre fucked up on the brain go kill yourself vegan paedo faggot
>>532135084Hens are worse off >>532134457Male chickens of meat breeds have mostly bad lives too. They are selectively bred to grow too big too fast causing immense injury and pain
>>532135115Wild animals already exist. Vegans are not causing new animals to be raped into existence to live out their lives on a factory farm hell. The only exception is bees but that’s only true of some crops which can be boycotted
>>532135605Man. I at least like to think Sweden treats them somewhat well these days.
>>532135193Name the trait works if you think morality is subjective. People argue like this on abortion all the time with violinist arguments and stuff. Some vegans are moral realist theists who believe suffering is bad and pleasure and relationships are good
>>532135285The NAP and objectivism? That’s a joke There are 3 ways to go about dismantling how inconsistent this named trait is.1. When having 'low intelligence' is named as trait to justify animals' farming and consumption, there's another reduction ad absurdum that can be easily done.P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.C1. It's OK to harm and slaughter mentally handicapped people (low intelligence).P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.C1. It's OK to harm and slaughter humans, but not super-intelligent alien/AI beings.P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.C1. It's OK to harm and slaughter super-intelligent alien/AI beings, but not hyper-intelligent alien/AI beings.This begs the question: when beings of higher intelligence are discovered, would it then suddenly classify the beings of previous highest intelligence (that were *not* morally OK to harm and consume) OK to harm and consume?2. 'Low' intelligence is very vague, and it's arbitrary.Low intelligence can be applied to pretty much anything, as intelligence is a very vague term and is best used in a comparative way to see who's more intelligence in what, rather than an objective view of who's of high intelligence and who's of low intelligence.Low intelligence compared to what?It could even be argued that humans are of low intelligence, since it doesn't have any comparison and it's arbitrary. And when there's something more intelligent than humans, humans could easily be considered 'low intelligence' in the same way.
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>>532132529they could be raised to whatever size the jews use for kapparot and then it woudn't be so wasteful
>>532135285P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.P2. High intelligence is determined by the current being of highest intelligence, and less intelligent beings are low intelligence.C1. When super-intelligent alien/AI beings are discovered, it's OK to harm and slaughter humans, but not super-intelligent alien/AI beings.P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.P2. High intelligence is determined by the current being of highest intelligence, and less intelligent beings are low intelligence.C1. When hyper-intelligent alien/AI beings are discovered, it's OK to harm and slaughter super-intelligent alien/AI beings, and of course humans as well, but not hyper-intelligent alien/AI beings.And so on.'Low intelligence' is arbitrary, and so can't be used in an objective and consistent way.3. While higher intelligence sometimes correlates with a higher level of sentience, what people would normally consider 'low intelligence' can still retain very significant levels of sentience. Intelligence =/= morality.Basing morality on 'intelligence' (instead of sentience) leads to absurd conclusions.Are plants of moral significance, because they have a level of intelligence, even though they have no sentience and therefore can't feel or subjectively experience?Are non-sentient super-computers of higher moral significance than humans, because they have more intelligence?And so on.A reductio ad absurdum would be:P1. Moral worth is based on intelligence.P2. Current computers have a higher intelligence than humans.C1. Current computers have a higher moral value than humans.Instead it should be:P1. Moral worth is based on the level of sentience (ability to feel, perceive and experience subjectively).P2. Current computers have no sentience, while humans do.C1. Current computers have no moral value (lower) than humans.
>>532135888voluntary goodnon-voluntary badgood and bad are moral valuesmorality only applies to interest holders that can reciprocatethat includes space aliens and computer programs niggers jews and other animals cannot reciprocate and therefore do not get morality applied to them
>>532135528>Plants are not conscioushttps://www.sciencealert.com/plants-really-do-scream-out-loud-we-just-never-heard-it-until-now
>>532135404https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait#NutrientsName the trait was written and Spoken by humans long before AI was smart enough to type this well
>>532135431There’s billions of chicks killed If it’s wrong to decapitate and or torture 1 year old permanently severely mentally handicapped humans then it’s wrong to torture and or decapitate 6 month old fetuses and adult chickenshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH3vrevU9o [Open]Abortion pills which can be easily obtained and ordered online work to to 12 weeksThe earliest case for which I believe the precautionary principle should hold was around 43-45 days. Which comes out to be 6.1-6.4 weeks.The fetal brain begins to develop around 3-5 weeks gestation. So I am okay with abortions prior to that timeframe.It's hard to say what the levels of sentience equate to at each week. But I wouldn't not assume this is a miniscule amount of sentience. Many EEG brain patterns observed in fetal brains as early as 6.1-6.4 weeks ( high voltageslow waves with superimposed fast activity) are comparable to mature birds, mature frogs, mature rabbits and the mature marmot. We can even observe sleep spindles in the fetal brain this early.Does this prove the same degree of sentience? No. Does this give us reason to take the precautionary principle with respect to this degree of sentience? Yes
>>532135405scumbag sadist
>>532135455Im not sure. Why does it matter?Is being circumcised and the long term effects of it more or less painful than a possible infection? Who cares? Best to not circumcise, not debeak and shower regularly and not keep chickens in conditions that cause extra violence like overcrowding and unnatural lighting
>>532135689If an animal lives a mostly bad life no human should breed them into existence. If an animal lives a mostly good life no human should cut their mostly good life short by killing them when they’re just a healthy teenager https://morallawwithin.substack.com/p/non-factory-farming-is-still-profoundly
>>532134708>I'm a vegetarian
>>532135917That isn’t “cope” a human serial killer of other humans could say the same thing
>>532135797My position is that it’s all an affect heuristic (do you like it or not) and morality is essentially a set of post hoc rationalizations about why that particular affect is “correct” or “justified.” Nature cares little for such human vanities.
>>532135924Jews still waste chickens at kapparot This has been documented Some people rescued some chickens who were going to be slaughtered by Jews at a Kapparot and brought them to a vegan animal sanctuary to live out the rest of their lives.https://m.youtube.com/shorts/viXBIHGrFlQ
>>532134708>I haven't looked into how milk (and thus cheese) is produced thoughDepends on the farm.Some use natural bulls, others artificial insemination. Pasteurization is bs though.In Finland, most cows milk themselves.
>>532135323hmm I think I'm sort of fine emotional distressI've heard that the milk industry wouldn't be viable without the meat industryThe calves are murdered and meat harvested, I assume?
It takes many nuggies to make stronk frens.
>>532134766>othing better than pan fried chicken.pfft there's steak, burgers, venison, aligator, all sorts of ham-like cured meats, quail, duck, goose, shit even properly prepared turkey, not to mention all sorts of seafood is better than chicken. but i gotta say pan fried chicken with some stupid staple like taters or rice is a guilty pleasure comfort food in my house.
>>532136209>>532136052Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness (2012):Cognitive neuroscientists, neuropharmacologists, neurophysiologists, neuroanatomists, and computational neuroscientists (written/edited/proclaimed by specialists in these fields; signed by conference participants in them).NY Declaration on Animal Consciousness (2024):Philosophers, neuroscientists, biologists, psychologists, veterinarians (doctors), ethologists, ecologists, and animal welfare experts (authored by philosophers; signed by hundreds of researchers across these fields).Plants are not conscious. All mammals and birds definitely are
>>532136349I think in general if we remove all the mutilation we saw at the start of the thread, what it really comes down to is not us killing chickens, hens and so on to then digest them since that's what the animal kingdom already does in way more gruesome ways and even plays with their meal.But the fact we systematically breed them and hatch them solely to become our food is what I'd say is the evil part. I think if we let them grow old before turning them into food it wouldn't be as much of a big deal.
>>532136444Okay but most people have a preference for human rights and also a preference to be internally and logically inconsistent. If you lack the preference to be logically consistent and you lack the preference to be internally consistent then you can justify literally everything and anything all at once and then there’s no point in even having any morals
>>532136761The veal industry is the dairy industry https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
>>532136858That would never be profitable, some farmers would arrange “accidents” so they die young to save money.
>>532136803keep coping, murderous psycho
>>532137122>That would never be profitableI know, but I'm talking about ethical.
not aihttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ_0ImDYrPY
>>532137268It’s most ethical to only harvest human organs once they have died of old age or accidental death or whatever , not to breed severely permanently mentally handicapped humans into existence and give them a good life then painlessly kill then when they are 20 years old to harvest their organs
>>532132529literally don't care. If they did this to Indians we would all laugh wouldn't we?
>>532136956With all due respect I think you have it backwards. It’s specifically because I have a preference for logical and internal consistency within a logical framework that I think moralizing is silly. I understand the need for it (we live in a society!) but beyond the logical benefits of a stable society based on morality it’s basically just a circle jerk. There’s natural law and there’s human law: the first supersedes the second by virtue of being the natural order of things. Might doesn’t necessarily make right, but that’s small consolation for the weak getting stomped by the strong. Those chickens would happily peck your eyes out if they found them tasty and were given the opportunity, and they wouldn’t feel bad about it either.
>modernity is demonic I already knew that
>>532137491Severely permanently mentally handicapped humans who can’t reason might stab your eyes out too but that does not mean it’s morally okay to factory farm them Besides banning slaughterhouses had benefits like reducing violent crime
>>532137833>were so backhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LOnZumVrN9k
>It's so noble when the indians use every part of the buffalo
>>532132529Politicians could abolish this horror beyond imagination just like that, but they choose not to for their little psycho games.
>>532138217who should raise the males? how are you gonna do it?
>>532137696Wouldn’t it be less “cruel” to simply euthanize the severely mentally handicapped as soon as their condition was recognized?
>>532138340Vegan animal sanctuaries raise some male and female chickens but billions of them should not exist, humans should stop breeding them and follow vegan diets
>>532132529>literally virtually instant death instead of being raised in a cageWhat’s the big deal? These chicks exist as part of a meat breeding factory, and would not exist if said factory did not exist.
>>532138380Billions must die so I can order a 10 chicken nugget combo at 1 in the morning
>>532138435lol how bout go fuck yourself and make me? you wanna be a weak little bitch, thats on you, but i will eat what i want to eat, faggot
>>532138367Aspire not to be a pussy and post the videos of the hogs going into the grinder
>>532138340https://www.landwirtschaft.de/tier-und-pflanze/tier/gefluegel/was-ist-ein-bruderhahn
>>532138428I don’t think so but even if it was it’s still worse to factory farm them or experiment on them then to euthanize them painlessly
>>532138473>it’s okay for parents to kill their 1 day old child because they would not have existed if not for them
>>532138473This is exactly how your politicians see you. Just wait a little, threat of strike is soon meaningless, then gloves are off.
>>532132529these grinders are pretty "humane", they only look gruesome, but for the chicken its life is ended in an instant and painlesslyits a much more humane way of killing than the way we do abortions on human fetuses
>>532132529>literally
>>532138667>>532138473https://files.catbox.moe/33twkx.mp4The video depicts two woman laughing at a ukrainian man trying to evade conscript because he doesn’t want to be blown up by russian artilleryWho do you empathize with more the man running for his life, or the women relaxing on the side, mocking him as he’s hunted down by soldiers
>>532132529>>532132566>>532132596>>532132638Why it doesn't show what happens next in the chicken nuggets machine?
>>532138540So we agree then: euthanizing male chicks is the most “moral” choice under the circumstances.
>>532138708For almost every male there’s a hen in a cage What’s the most painful thing that ever happened to you? Seriously take a moment and contemplate it—try, in as much detail as you can, to remember what it was like. Maybe, for many of you it was childbirth—an experience which, when it takes place without anesthesia, is temporarily completely debilitating. Nothing other than the pain occupies the mind of the sufferer.Perhaps it was getting a tattoo. Someone on Quora summarized the pain of getting a tattoo in the following way:They hurt.There are between one and 20 needles being poked through your skin hundreds of thousands of time in a single session. The number of needles will determine the type and intensity of pain. So expect it. The real question is how much will it hurt.I’ve been quite lucky and never experienced any particularly severe pain. I can remember quite a few times I’ve had pretty intense pain—barely eating for two days, having a doctor press down on my infected finger until it popped when I was ~8, having a very severe stomach ache, falling out of a treehouse (though remaining in the tree) and banging my chin on the side of it—but nothing has been that bad. I’d guess the worst experience of my life is a lot less painful than a wrist tattoo.The most painful experience that most of us have ever had is classified as disabling pain. This is the sort of pain that’s bad enough that during it you can’t enjoy doing anything else—you can’t, for instance, enjoy a game of chess while giving birth—and that makes it impossible to focus on anything other than the pain. Examples of this kind of pain include a very painful fall, breaking a bone, burning yourself, giving birth, severe dog bites, getting a tattoo, kidney stones, and hemorrhoids.
>>532132529Chickens in nature have a 1 male to 12 females ratio. Any surplus rooster is pecked to death or banished from the pack where he will die alone. Yet for some reason half the fertilized eggs are male. Do the math, vegan scum.
>>532138871The circumstances should not exist because the egg industry should not exist. If a small number of male chicks exist and it’s easily possible they should live out the rest of their lives on vegan animal sanctuaries >>532138921While we often forget about these later, when they’re happening, they feel like the most significant thing in the world. They’re extremely bad—if you offered me $1,000 to get severely bitten by a dog, its teeth ripping off a chunk of my flesh, or have needles pierce my skin hundreds of times, I wouldn’t take the deal. Certainly I wouldn’t undergo childbirth for 1,000 dollars—especially if it was without anestheticSadly, on average, the animals that we eat endure hundreds of hours of this kind of debilitating agony over the course of their life. They endure somewhere on the order of an hour a day of this pain.I’ll just discuss one such case—the case of the egg-laying hen, with the facts gathered from this report. https://welfarefootprint.org/research-projects/laying-hens/ Egg-laying hens in conventional farms endure about 400 hours (!!!!!) of this kind of disabling agony. Remember, this is agony about as bad as the worst thing that’s ever happened to you, unless you’ve had an experience as bad as being severely tortured. This is the agony that makes it impossible to think of anything else. The hens endure about an hour of a day of this extremely intense agony.This intense pain comes from many sources including (this list is non-exhaustive):Bone fractures. The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times.
>>532139069>>532138921>>532138708In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us because the area around their keel bone, which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves. While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a weekOften the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agonyInjurious pecking. In a hen's natural environment, she’ll spend most of her time pecking the ground looking for food. In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens, often leading to severe injury (just imagine that you were being bitten all the time by people surrounding you). It’s not terribly uncommon for hens to be pecked to death (seriously imagine what it would be like for that to happen) or for pecking to affect a hen’s body part known as the vent which is particularly sensitive (in this case, for the males reading this, imagine someone biting your balls). Often this becomes infected.Every one of a hen’s natural behaviors are thoroughly squashed in the farms. Hens cannot make a nest prior to laying an egg, which causes them quite severe distress. Hens are willing to undergo strong electric shocks in order to get a suitable nest—about as strong as the electric shocks they’ll endure in order to get food after being starved for 28 hours (!!!!!). Remember, hens lay an egg roughly daily! This may not seem like a big deal, but only because we don’t appreciate the experience of being a nesting hen; an alien wouldn’t understand why we care about sex so much. Konrad Lorenz, a nobel prize winner summarized:“The worst torture to which a battery hen is exposed is the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act.
>>532139152For the person who knows something about animals it is truly heart-rending to watch how a chicken tries again and again to crawl beneath her fellow-cage mates to search there in vain for cover”Whenever you purchase a few cartons of eggs, you are consigning a chicken to living in these horrifying, excruciating conditions.Before you next purchase eggs—or chicken, or most any other animal product, though eggs are likely the worst—remember what the worst experience of your life is like, and vividly consider the fact that your purchase will likely cause others to endure many hours of an experience just as bad. suffer massively https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VsdanRboTTE
>>532139222Tragically, the true scenario is much worse than that. Even worse than these scenarios of intense yet bearable pain are experiences that the authors of the report call excruciating pain. This is the sort of pain experienced when a person is brutally tortured or slowly eaten alive or burned to death for minutes; the sorts of pain that, if you’re really brave, you can read about in some detail here. They’re horrible enough to take on an almost qualitatively different dimension—something most of us wouldn’t trade for many decades of happy life. This kind of pain is literally inconceivable—it’s so bad that many people who experience it attempt suicide. A hen might experience this right as she’s being trampled and pecked to death.Hens experience, on average, about two and a half minutes of this horrifying agony. The hundreds of hens that the average person eats over the course of their life (and yes, your consumption of eggs does cause more hens to be brought into existence, mistreated, and killed) mean that the average person is probably causing several hours of this unfathomable agony—the sort of agony one experiences in the minutes that they die from burning, boiling, being eaten alive, or suffocating to death; the kind of agony worse than being mauled by a dog, worse than childbirth, worse by orders of magnitude than anything you’ve ever experienced. The kind of experience that, to take a contemporary example, George Floyd probably experienced for the minutes that he was suffocating.The average meat eater causes hours of thatThis is why factory farming is such a great moral emergency. It’s the cause of agony beyond what we could hope to imagine. Amounts we cannot fathom of agony that we cannot fathom. It’s not just egg-laying hens that experience this; it’s ubiquitous in the entire factory farming industry.
>>532139269A single broiler chicken experiences fifty hours of [disabiling] pain during their lifespan, which lasts 4-6 weeks. There are 69 billion broilers slaughtered each year. That is so many hours of pain that if you divided those hours among humanity, each human would experience about 400 hours (2.5 weeks) of disabling pain every year. Can you imagine if instead of getting, say, your regular fortnight vacation from work or study, you experienced disabling-level pain for a whole 2.5 weeks? And if every human on the planet - me, you, my friends and family and colleagues and the people living in every single country - had that same experience every year? How hard would I work in order to avert suffering that urgent?Factory farming is probably responsible for more agony than has ever existed in human history—especially agony of the most intense kind. This massive quantity of agony exists because consumers pay for it. Fortunately, we can do better. There are highly effective organizations working to reduce the extent of animal mistreatment in factory farms, which save around 18 animals from a cruel fate for every dollar they’re given. Additionally, if you’re horrified by this conduct, you can stop paying for it and go vegan.
>>532139069The circumstances do exist though ChatGPT. It is what it is, and will remain that way so long as people like to eat eggs. I’m going to buy a dozen this afternoon as I’m almost out.
>>532137945This changed what i thought about chickens
>>532139347Not ai https://benthams.substack.com/p/extreme-suffering-on-the-farms?utm_source=publication-searchEven if other people are buying eggs right now you or others boycotting eggs does make a difference An individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed or spared. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proofhttps://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc [Open] (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-isAnd the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/
>>532139404https://m.youtube.com/@renthehousehen/postsMost videos were taken down because she died :(
>>532139721No way, the hen or the chic?Sad either way....
>>532139721Hi, I’m Ren! Ren, The House Hen. Sometimes know as “poofy,” “screm,” “blobbo,” or “zoomie.”Golden Sebright is my breed and bantam is my size; that means I have golden feathers laced with a black edge, and I’m miniature weighing in at a whopping 1.6 lbs.I live in an apartment in Las Vegas and poop in a diaper. Living indoors keeps me safe from all predators, except my mom. She hunts me down to change my diaper every day.I consider myself to be curious and independent. You have toes? Toes are very interesting; I’d love to have a peck at them. I can spend all day hanging out with my reflection in the mirror.Paper is my favorite dance floor, especially newspaper! The texture is perfect for my signature move. It goes like… right foot two scratches, left foot two scratches, jump back.https://medium.com/about-me-stories/about-me-ren-the-house-hen-a62aa7cc82de
>>532139894The hen I believe but I could be wrong I think Ashley is still alive
>>532139404OFC, because the brunette is hot AF.
>>532139894The only notable health update is from a YouTube community post ~2 years ago (around 2024): Ashley shared that they “tend to disappear from YouTube when we’re dealing with chicken health issues. This time, it’s because Ren has cancer. The journey to diagnosis hasn’t been easy, and dealing with her current symptoms is challenging too.” There are no follow-up posts, videos, or public resolutions about the outcome—no mention of remission, passing, or old-age complications.
>>532132566>>532132596Are they okay?
>>532140008>>532140016I get pets and empathy but common. She got like 30k views in most her videos...she quit because her pet hen got cancer or am i retarded? Rofl
>>532140088They’ll Boltzmann brain back into existence some day https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ff8nQK6pnrQOr maybe physicalism is false and souls and God exist and they’re in a better place https://benthams.substack.com/p/gods-existence-is-the-best-possible?utm_source=publication-search
>>532132697>No no, it's totally made with quality ingedients in top o' da loin facilitieshttps://youtu.be/BJRsG2h3cfA
>>532132529dont worry guys God got a ton of glory out of thishow ?dont ask questions goyim just sit down and trust muh planit doesnt matter if the plan containsbillions of abortionsthe wicked running earth as a child rape dungeon theme parkmass medical experimentschildren being inverted then told they are transand forced to take hormone drugs to be the gender they were supposed to beand all the other wonderful child rape nonsensethat the most evil entity to ever existthe king of the "gods"jesus kikes the child raping rat fuck nigger
>>532140220If she didn’t delete the videos and didn’t disappear from the internet after her hens death people could accuse her of being vapid and just using her hen to give herself attention
>>532140371Free will Blame humans, archons, angels, etc for messing everything up https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-archon-abandonment-theodicy?utm_source=publication-search
>>532140417You really think people watched her videos because of the hen or because of her showing attention to her hen?I think her fans would support her even if she lost her beloved hen.
>>532132529it is sad, the industrialization of the concept disgusts me but male chicken are still slaughtered to only leave one male in small farms too anyway.Doin this to one day old chicks is disgusting
>>5321329931.8 billion abortions but theres totally a godyou know that terrible person in your life or familywho does whatever the fuck they want while smirking their ass off at how they ruin everything for everyone elsethats "god" in one his avatars jerking himself off to all of the rape death and torturei dont believe anymore to be honest with you i never did if im really being honesti think were all energyand a whole lot of shit on the floor rat fuck nigger energythat was jealous of people like me being better than it.decided to make this shit stained world to pretend to be a godto hold beings hostage to make people like me come in here so they could torture me and try and be above metoo bad "god" it didnt work i still think youre a child raping shit stain
>>532132529this nigga is filming it while doing it while telling the viewers to be sad. what the fuck?
>>532132529>Literally BILLIONS of male day old Chinks are killed by being put on conveyor belts leading to BLENDERS every single year.
So that's how my chicken nuggets are made. Oh well. Tastes good with ketchup.
>>532140483>immediately goes to child rapists favorite excuse>muh free willin what way is free will being respectedi know for a fact there is no godmy satanist family members literally sold me to "god" and live like kingsi get kept around like a dog that they beatnothing i own works so no escapesmy dog is dead so no lovemy family all hate me my friends fucked off when they saw that i was sold off to the govt and left out of fear or were in on itin what way is free will being respected herein what way are the "archons angels and etc" any different from their non omnipotent father the child raping nigger adonai/jesusin what way is that rapist a god ?the only people who get to have "free will"are the child rape dungeon party evil electof the child rape dungeon party god jesusthey live it up all fucking day long on planet earthit must have been so nice for them before people like me came down herethey did it with total impunitynow every time they get uppity i curse the living fuck out of them and make them losein what way is this planet anything but what i say it isthe biggest loser to ever exist adonai/el/jesus's giant middle finger to me and people like meits fine tho cuz hes losing right now and franklywe are not trying that hardmost of earths population that is human deserves what they getinnocent animals and kind people do not thoand which group of people is the most raped on all of planet earththose 2 i listedfuck your child rape nigger god i will mock it all day every dayi dont consent.im sure it will try and jail me again or lawfare me or break all my shitbut thats what non omnipotent child raping niggers dofake omnipotence then try and get egoic winslike shutting down all my gaming pcs and forcing an ankle monitor on mein fact im sure child rapist will try that tommorow.
I tried the BetterGoods fully vegan pizza, it was actually good. Cool to see vegan cheese finally make it.
>>532132529This thread LOL
>>532132529Just nuke the earth already Jesus
>>532140483Oh god you're that faggot that cries about dead children, literally go put yourself through a grinder, no one cares for your nonsense here on earth.
>>532132529Yup. And used to make chicken nuggets.
>>532142736Yes 4 year olds dying of malaria is bad, I’ve donated to against malaria foundation >>532141658Based. I like this one on left
>>532141273>i know for a fact there is no godIm sorry anon but the logical problem of evil is a meme, atheist philosophers have realized this since the 80s, the problem of evil is used as a probabilistic argument from atheist intellectuals like why don’t we all just start in heaven
>>532141273>most of earths population that is human deserves what they get>innocent animals and kind people do not thoIt’s not clear to me dessert or moral responsibility are true even if libertarian free will and God exist https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0TDpRJCrU2Q
>>532140907I can’t comment on that one but the footage in dominion documentary is from a hidden planted camera you can see it planted in behind the scenes during credits at the end
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I look forward to keeping my own hens and just getting eggs that way. I’m a few years out from that.
>>532132529why do they need to be adult chickens before i eat themare they missing life experiencedo they need calorie degrees and digestion instructions?wtf is this angle
>>532134892>testing internal consistencymotherfucker consistency is selective, meaning you have to choose the situations where it apply because in the end no 2 situation are ever the same.also consistency has nothing to do with "logic", consistency is a tool and being ruled by a tool is retarded since the only reason we use tool is because they are useful in some way.you talk "logic" but listen you dumbass, you are using that to hide from your emotions, in the end your random emotional stance is learned and is not "logical" because humans go against their emotions all the time, go take a look at other "logical" retards and see, whenever they are cornered they start creating new categories to have their cakes and eat it too, because in the end that's how the brain work, it doesn't care about the "truth", it care about emotional satisfaction and if "logical diarrhea" is enough to achieve that then they will be fine with it, the problem is that your stupid "logical diarrhea" are created from your emotions and since no 2 people emotions are the same, no 2 people will ever agree "logically" on everything.
>>532132529Too bad we can't do the same thing to incel human males.Any unmarried adult male over the age of 16 will be required to present a legal affidavit from an adult, biological woman swearing under oath that she has had consensual, unpaid, penis in vagina sexual intercourse with him at least once in the last 365 days. Any incelophilic male who cannot produce said document will be deemed arbeitsscheu/asozial and will be sent to the BLENDER for disposal.
>>532143382no its not lolyou just cant beat the problem of evilso you lie and say that its not trueevery christian i ever told the problem of evil to shut the fuck and went and looked sad cuz they realized their religion is a lie.you are a shit on the floor rape apologist and you are one of his avatars
>>532145995>why does a Palestinian baby need to be at least a teenager before I kill them? Are they missing life experience?
>>532145995OP is just seething that they die what looks to be a gruesome gory way when in actuality it happens so fast they are not even gonna register the pain before dyingIts the same idea why america stopped executing with bullets, its more "humane" to lie strapped down to a table being unable to move and feel your organs on fire than having a bullet tear through your skull in an instant.
>>532146063People can change their mind on things to avoid being hypocrites here’s an example of this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH3vrevU9ohttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/530838456/#q530838456 >>530838456
>>532132529They only do this to male chicks btw. Yet another example of how gynocracy is designed to systemically destroy male lives.
>>532132638>>532132785This is the future for white babies lol
>>532132529What a genius machine. This machine would solve the muslim problem and the junkie problem and the whore problem and the tattoo problem as well. Sad that this machine isnt used for a good purpose to save mankind from evil.
>>532146779no, we use the slow moving industrial grinder for the muslims
>>532147129>>532146779They tested a ballistic human body on a woodchipper https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OyrZfynXis0
Fuck i read this as chinks not chicks. Fuck this gay thread.
NOBODY CARES! NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT SOME RETARDED FUCKING CHICKS! YOU'RE RETARDED AND SHOULD BLEND YOURSELF TOO!
>>532147526Most people would not press the blend button on their home kitchen blender if a live chirping chick was inside.Even if you offered them 100 dollars
>>532139269george floyd died of a fentanyl overdose you gullible retard
>>532132529And then people learned that it is only male chicks killed in this way and everyone sighed in relief.
>>532147678dude wtf $100, everyone would do that
>>532132529/Thread
>>532147695Fentanyl overdose can cause suffocation by slowing or stopping breathing, which can lead to a lack of oxygen and potentially result in death if not treated quickly.
>>532147695What about the knee on the neck for 9 minutes
>>532132529Yeah, and they get torn to pieces by predators or swallowed alive in the wild where only a small fraction of them make it to adulthood. What's your point?Life is a bitch. Getting insta squished between industrial rollers is a more merciful death than nature generally provides.
>>532147436that made me cum
>>532132529>>532132566>>532132596Haha chick crusher goes bbbrrr
>>532148170Steven crowder debunked this by live-streaming himself handcuffed and being kneeled on for like ten minutes straight Here’s the video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5qHLXbVDnkc1 hour and 17 minutes in
I am already aware that existence is a miserable hellscape, you don't have to convince me.
>>532134648>vegans hate animals.>hate them.
Sorry, I don't care about animals.I need to be fair, if I cared about chicks I'd need to also care about blacks and jews lest I be a hypocrite with double standards.I must be consistent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmDBBu3CTOABeef is the most human food because, there are fewer kills per human fed.
>>532132529every time I see this thread I eat twice as much meat
>>532132529It is a quick death.and the other ones get killed too.This looks brutal, but is ultimately not what should be improved in animal care, in my opinion.
>>532132529Shit is fucked up. Anyone simping for life is a cunt
>>532146591That's a hot face tattoo
>>532132529Who cares?
>>532147678I'm vegetarian and I'd blend a puppy for 100 bucks
>>532148170standard use of force for a persistently struggling arrestee, see pic
>>532132529these companies can create life so they have the right to take it away
>>532148977Compared to chicken yes. Compared to wheat no >>532149021You did not put any human workers on the track
>>532149614That’s only okay when the IDF uses it
>>532149694Wheat kills mice. Every bite is a dead mouse.
>>532132529seems preferable to something slow and unnecessarily painful
Are you going to take care of them
>>532149831I’ve already addressed this study in previous threads Most crop land goes to feeding animals 8 billion plus chickens are killed in the USA every year That number you gave is probably an overestimate , studies like it have been debunked https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nZEu9B67MBI
>>532149940I wouldn't mind having a chicken as a pet.
>>532150258Based https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cHb9IiR2624
>>532132529I truly believe that veganism (along with all forms of progressivism) is simply a sign of immaturity. This immature hatred of the way the world works is simply unhealthy. The desire to destroy the very foundations that have sustained humanity throughout its existence is simply wrong. The worst part is that they turn people against plant-based food which also isn't healthy.
>>532146391>People can change their mind on things to avoid being hypocriteswhat part of "consistency" is a tool you failed to understand ? what do you think the problem with "hypocrisy" is ? beside the people who care about others opinions or are obsessed with "consistency", others value "consistency" because it's useful EMOTIONALLY, so it's idiotic being shackled by a tool because in the end a tool is meant to serve a purpose, and a useful tool can be deadly in environments not suited for it.but you don't have to go that far because you can never prove that operating on 2 "seemingly" contradictory behaviors is hypocrisy unless the person in question admit to it usually by failing to argue back, because in the end he can always appeal to other categories to remove the contradiction and if he doesn't find any, he will create new ones lol and that's how we ended up with 20 gorillion branch of philosophy with gorillions of stupid nonsensical terms.someone eat cows and love dogs because he say that he doesn't eat smart animals, you prove to him that pigs are smarter than dogs and he can casually add another factor or redefine the categories, and who can say anything about it ? if his new system is consistent, then he is no longer a "hypocrite".listen you retard i will repeat it again, no 2 situations are ever the same so you can't apply absolute rules. in the end your beliefs are chosen emotionally since there is no such thing as "you must logically do this", instead what is there is "you must do this logically if you value that", now all that's left is how you identify things, are humans and animals under the same category in your head ? and if you EMOTIONALLY decided they are, are there no other emotional constraints ? so in the end you can be vegan and support abortion if your system of value allow it, you may not agree withit but that's normal, your system of value aka learned emotions are not the same, it would be weird if you did agree on what should happen
>>532150220>Most crop land goes to feeding animalsA cow can be completely grass fed and be slaughtered for plenty of meat. We use feed corn because it's easier to grow than human food.Sweet corn is harder to grow than field (feed) corn because it is less vigorous, highly susceptible to pests, and requires strict, precise timing for planting and harvest to maintain its tender, sugary quality. Unlike hardy field corn, sweet corn requires higher soil temperatures for germination, intense fertilization, consistent irrigation, and pollination in large blocks to avoid sparse ears. Key Reasons Sweet Corn is Harder to Grow:Pest and Disease Susceptibility: Sweet corn’s high sugar content attracts pests like corn earworms, aphids, and flea beetles more than field corn. These pests often require active management to prevent ruined ears.Germination Challenges: Sweet corn seeds are delicate and, due to their high sugar content, are prone to rotting in cool, damp soil. They require soil temperatures of at least to germinate successfully.Stringent Harvesting Window: Sweet corn must be harvested during a very narrow "milk stage" (lasting 3–4 days for older varieties) to ensure maximum sweetness, whereas field corn is left to dry on the stalk.High Nutrient and Water Needs: Sweet corn is "thirsty" and requires consistent water, particularly in the two weeks before silks form. They are heavy feeders and need substantial nitrogen to produce high-quality, plump ears.Conversely, feed corn is bred for rugged, high-volume production, making it more resilient to varied conditions and pests. 2/3 of all land isn't usable for growing crops. What are we going to do with that land? your trannie jewtubers aren't convincing
>>532132529>Please stop eating meat
>>532150777you let self propelled stomachs to harvest the biomass on that unfit land and then you eat themeating animals is based and red pilled
>>532132711I don’t believe in evolution, but if it’s real, I want my uncle to be a baboon, cause they are so fucking cool. They don’t get the credit they deserve, as they are highly intelligent and trainable, and don’t seem to snap and eat human faces and fingers, at least not when compared to chimps. There was a train conductor in South Africa (under the British Empire) he was disabled but needed the work so he bought a trained bamboo off some traveler, and taught it to pull the levers for the trains, and he was never wrong, you just had to make sure to supply him with booze each and every night.
>>532132529I don't and have never supported this. It's obvious to anybody that this is a crime against humanity nature god whatever you believe in. We live so far beyond our means and enable so many people to breed beyond their worth. In some sense I can relate to sentiments of eugenics but the ones pushing it just want everybody besides their family dead. This is a wholly unnecessary crime and something that should never have been allowed to happen.
>>532150997>you let self propelled stomachs to harvest the biomass on that unfit land and then you eat them>eating animals is based and red pilledYes, cows are the original solar power.
>>532150777>A cow can be completely grass fed and be slaughtered for plenty of meat.That’s true but there’s not enough land in the United States to feed everyone in a USA a fully carnivore diet of pasture raised cows. There’s definitely not enough land on earth to feed 8 billion people a diet of mostly pasture raised animal products >2/3 of all land isn't usable for growing crops. What are we going to do with that land?I would need to see your source on this. I’ve heard the claim made many times before that there’s lots of land which is good for pasture raising animals but not able to grow crops, but when digging deeper the land can support crops it’s just not ideal. Much like people will claim animals are fed parts of crops “inedible” to humans but much of those parts are edible to humans but they are just not preferred like so y cake
>>532132529>You buy eggs>Therefore it's your fault they do this>You were 10 minutes late home>Therefore it's your fault your mom beat you until you couldn't breathe for cryingTelling people they are the reason that others do bad things is a losing play.This is why so many vegans are psychos, your arguments filter out good normal people who don't want animals to suffer, and select for total retards who want to make others suffer, and food industry lectures are just another avenue
>>532151845>you pay hitman to kill someone>hitman kills someone>therefore it’s your fault the hitman did that
>>532151469idgaf about 8 billion niggers, fuck them and uhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arable_landgo read it yoself u stupid nigger i got a life to liveand consider suicide to stop random animal murder during your transportation
>>532152034>and consider suicide to stop random animal murder during your transportationThis makes about as much sense as telling a billionaire real estate person to kill themselves to stop a few random human construction worker deaths during some future building projects
Smart mom's choose Henton's Wetbeef®
>>532134648What do you people think we feed the animals we eat, sunlight? It's obviously more energy efficient to directly eat crops than feeding crops to animals and then eating the animals. When you eat animals you are karmically responsible not only for animals killed through farming practices, but also for the animals killed directly for human consumption. Many of the animals killed in crop farming are also much less intelligent or capable of suffering, whereas farmed animals are typically of a higher order of intelligence, so comparing aphids to cows. Regardless, when you eat mostly meat, you are karmically responsible for both the insects killed by pesticides/tilling of the soil that is used to grow crops to feed meat animals, as well as the animals themselves. Obviously suffering and exploitation of others and the environment is inherent to the gathering of sustenance, but the degree of suffering is rather easily reduced by opting to simplify the food chain. Eating food closer to the source of energy (producers) also helps to avoid negatives like bioaccumulation.
>>532152268>killed humanely with lethal injection There’s almost never any circumstance in which you can kill through lethal injection an innocent and healthy individual and call it humane.
>op trying to appeal to our feelings about cute little chicks getting shreddedThis only works on women. We operate on logic and prioritize sustaining our civilization over being good boys.
>>532132529In germany they are not, i invented tec that can scan the egg to check if its male while you spend your dimes on meta smart glasses
>>532135364I'm not sure anyone gives a shit, its better for yield.
What is the solution to rampant human reproduction and competitiveness?
>>532152834How do you know they are not conscious before they are killed in the egg? I just did a little research and it says they could be conscious 6 days into the egg
>>532149021Fuck rabbits those fuckers can ruin so much crop in such a small time F U C K R A B B I T S UCKRABBITS
>>532153409Rabbits are sweetThey deserve better
>>532132529Please post more of these, it's fucking hilarious when they fall off the conveyor.
>>532153634I’m not a farmer but years ago I had my own vegetable garden. Nothing as crushing as walking to your patch in the morning and founding out everything has been eaten by those fuckers. Fucking rabbits.
>>532133459Dog eat dog world
>>532132529The entire meat industry is a genocide at the scale of WWII every few hours. It's a testament of human superiority, it is the crown that makes us King of the animal kingdom.
>>532143215>donated to “against malaria”So you contributed to a nigger-farming outfit is what you’re saying.
>>532132529We stopped doing that.Awesome. Now poultry doubled in price, because farmers need to raise and feed the male chicks until they die of natural causes.Their meat is inedible, they don't lay eggs aren are completely useless in any way whatsoever. So they just sit in cages until they die of old age instead. Amazing.Thanks you bleeding hearts fags. Those chicks ar eno better off than if they had been killed quickly straight after birth, and all of us have to pay for it.
>>532132529Eating animals is not a moral choice, any more than a lion eating a gazelle is.There is this thing called the “food chain”, and we sit comfortably at the top of it.Aside from the fact that slow, painful deaths will result in adrenalin spikes that will ruin the meat for our tastes, what separates us from animals is that we are capable of empathizing with the animals we are killing on a level that acknowledges that it is more humane to administer the quickest, most painless death to the animal that will be giving us sustenance.Compared with other predators like lions, sharks, polar bear, hyenas, tigers , etc. that will subject their prey to a long, drawn out painful death, often being eaten while still alive and conscious to feel every bite and tear, using our natural capacity to develop and construct tooling to make the death of our prey quick and painless is far more humane than literally any other predator on the planet.Fuck veganiggers and their fake and gay moral outrage.
>>532154174All they do is distribute mosquito bed nets.
>>532132529I raise my own chickens. Behead them with a sharp knife before eating them also.You'd be surprised how long it takes for a headless chicken to stop moving.
Stupid fucken chicks goin to hell where they belong, good riddance
>>532154648>Eating humans is not a moral choice, any more than a Russian killing a Ukrainian is.>There is this thing called the “food chain”, and we advanced outer space aliens sit comfortably at the top of it.>Aside from the fact that slow, painful deaths will result in adrenalin spikes that will ruin the meat for our tastes, what separates us from humans is that we are capable of empathizing with the humans we are killing on a level that acknowledges that it is more humane to administer the quickest, most painless death to the human that will be giving us sustenance.>Compared with other predators like lions, sharks, polar bear, hyenas, tigers , etc. that will subject their prey to a long, drawn out painful death, often being eaten while still alive and conscious to feel every bite and tear, using our natural capacity to develop and construct tooling to make the death of our prey quick and painless is far more humane than literally any other predator im the universe .
>>532154648Another named trait could possibly be 'civilization/culture', with the argument that it's OK to eat/harm animals because they have neither, while we do.This is another arbitrary line that has no bearing on morality, and while a species being able to have a civilization would show that they are high on the sentience spectrum, the lack of it wouldn't entail lack of moral worth.For civilization, A could say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a civilization but X does.P2. Humans have a civilization, but farmed animals do not.C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm farmed animals.B could then say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a civilization but X does.P2. People in the west have a civilization, but tribes and a lot of third worlders do not.C1. It's morally OK for people in the west to eat/harm tribes and a lot of third worlders.For culture, A could say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.P2. Humans have a culture, but farmed animals do not.C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm farmed animals.Culture is not a trait that is unique to humans - chimpanzees, for example, have developed quite strong cultural habits. Not only culture is present in animals, as a lot of species have some level of customs and learned traditions, but culture has no reason to be a moral line that determines what has moral value and what doesn't.B could then say:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.P2. Adult humans have a culture, but baby humans do not.C1. It's morally OK for adult humans to eat/harm baby humans.
>>532155035>>532154648Or:P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.P2. Chimpanzees have a culture, but some mentally disabled humans do not.C1. It's morally OK for chimpanzees to eat/harm some mentally disabled humans.The argument usually turns out to be, again, 'might makes right', which is easily shown as something absurd that doesn't hold by bringing in the context super-intelligent AIs/aliens and giving them dominion over humans for their 'superiority'.
>>532154648Naming 'food chain/naturality' to morally justify something is an appeal to nature logical fallacy.Just because something is natural, doesn't make that something OK/good/ideal/optimal/justified.There are many things that are natural that people do and that are not morally OK. Simply naming a few of them should be enough to demonstrate how 'natural' is irrelevant to morality.Is raping OK, because it's natural?What about fighting for territory? Out ancestors fought for territory.Is making your child live in a cave without medicine good, because it's only natural to do so?And so on.If 'food chain' is a justification of the interlocutor/s' harm and consumption of animals, then they should also be fine with other animals eating us, and shouldn't want to intervene when a human is being eaten, nor be wanting to protect against predators that are above us in the food chain - which is obviously not the case.P1. X being weaker/lower in the food chain than Y makes it morally OK for Y to eat/harm X.P2. Humans are weaker and lower in the food chain in nature than lions.C1. It's morally OK to allow lions to eat/harm humans in nature.P1. X being weaker/lower in the food chain than Y makes it morally OK for Y to eat/harm X.P2. Humans are weaker and lower in the food chain than super-intelligent aliens/AI.C1. It's morally OK for super-intelligent aliens/AI to eat/harm humans.'Food chain' often ends up being a case of 'might makes right', where actions are morally justified as long as a 'stronger' being inflicts harm upon a weaker one.
>>532154648Being 'bred to die' is an argument that is often used as a justification for the slaughter of animals.If the interlocutor/s name 'bred to die' as a trait, there are, yet again, absurd conclusions that follow from the premise.X purpose given by someone =/= moral justification to do X - or that would implicitly imply that morality is dictated by that someone.A could say:P1. If a being is bred into existence for the purpose of dying, it's OK to kill them.P2. Farmed animals are being bred into existence for the purpose of dying.C1. It's OK to kill farmed animals.B could then say:P1. If a being is bred into existence for the purpose of dying, it's OK to kill them.P2. I want to breed children into existence for the purpose of them being killed when they're old enough to run for their lives and make it fun.C1. It's OK to kill said children.It's very easy to show how psychopathic, incompatible, and inconsistent, conclusions entailed by such a premise would be.Being brought into existence with an intended purpose for your existence, doesn't morally justify carrying out such purpose simply because it was intended to be so.
>>532132529wish it was women
>>532154648If the interlocutor/s do not agree to that, then even more absurd conclusions follow:P1. If a being is bred into existence for a purpose, it's OK to carry out such a purpose onto them.P2. X dogs are bred into existence for the purpose of dogfighting.P3. Y dogs are not bred into existence for the purpose of dogfighting.P4. X and Y dogs are at the same sentient level, and are equal.C1. It's OK to make X dogs dogfight, but not Y dogs.P1. If a being is bred into existence for a purpose, it's OK to carry out such a purpose onto them.P2. X humans are bred into existence to be slaves.P3. Y humans are bred into existence to be slave traders.P4. X and Y humans are at the same sentient level, and are equal.C1. It's OK for Y humans to make X humans their slaves.And so on.After a certain point, person A will either have to admit that P1. is wrong, or agree to absurd and psychopathic views that are inconsistent and make no sense.
>>532154648Low IntelligenceThere are 3 ways to go about dismantling how inconsistent this named trait is.1. When having 'low intelligence' is named as trait to justify animals' farming and consumption, there's another reduction ad absurdum that can be easily done.P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.C1. It's OK to harm and slaughter mentally handicapped people (low intelligence).P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.C1. It's OK to harm and slaughter humans, but not super-intelligent alien/AI beings.P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.C1. It's OK to harm and slaughter super-intelligent alien/AI beings, but not hyper-intelligent alien/AI beings.This begs the question: when beings of higher intelligence are discovered, would it then suddenly classify the beings of previous highest intelligence (that were *not* morally OK to harm and consume) OK to harm and consume?2. 'Low' intelligence is very vague, and it's arbitrary.Low intelligence can be applied to pretty much anything, as intelligence is a very vague term and is best used in a comparative way to see who's more intelligence in what, rather than an objective view of who's of high intelligence and who's of low intelligence.Low intelligence compared to what?It could even be argued that humans are of low intelligence, since it doesn't have any comparison and it's arbitrary. And when there's something more intelligent than humans, humans could easily be considered 'low intelligence' in the same way.
>>532154648P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.P2. High intelligence is determined by the current being of highest intelligence, and less intelligent beings are low intelligence.C1. When super-intelligent alien/AI beings are discovered, it's OK to harm and slaughter humans, but not super-intelligent alien/AI beings.P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.P2. High intelligence is determined by the current being of highest intelligence, and less intelligent beings are low intelligence.C1. When hyper-intelligent alien/AI beings are discovered, it's OK to harm and slaughter super-intelligent alien/AI beings, and of course humans as well, but not hyper-intelligent alien/AI beings.And so on.'Low intelligence' is arbitrary, and so can't be used in an objective and consistent way.3. While higher intelligence sometimes correlates with a higher level of sentience, what people would normally consider 'low intelligence' can still retain very significant levels of sentience. Intelligence =/= morality.Basing morality on 'intelligence' (instead of sentience) leads to absurd conclusions.Are plants of moral significance, because they have a level of intelligence, even though they have no sentience and therefore can't feel or subjectively experience?Are non-sentient super-computers of higher moral significance than humans, because they have more intelligence?And so on.A reductio ad absurdum would be:P1. Moral worth is based on intelligence.P2. Current computers have a higher intelligence than humans.C1. Current computers have a higher moral value than humans.Instead it should be:P1. Moral worth is based on the level of sentience (ability to feel, perceive and experience subjectively).P2. Current computers have no sentience, while humans do.C1. Current computers have no moral value (lower) than humans.
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welcome to reality, where things have to kill other things to survive. did jesus not mention that?
>>532132596How do you sleep at night working in one of these factories. Fucking hell
>>532155967Illegal immigrant or ex convict with no other opportunities, also child labor Insomnia, alcoholism, ptsd, domestic violence etc is common among slaughterhouses workers
>>532132529Maybe you should offer to keep all those roosters. You'd kill yourself within the week
>>532138217first clip is me.
>>532132529The problem is that eggs hatch too many cocks. You cant keep two cocks in the same herd, they will kill each other. So even if you are super nice to chickens and let males grow old enough for butchering on a farm, you would need to keep them seperated in small boxes, otherwise they would just fight each other until only one is left.
>>532132529>79pbtidholy bot thread
>>532132529Look, you can argue that the egg industry's practice of culling male chicks is bad, but these dumb videos are purely circulated for shock value. If you stopped being a woman ruled by emotions for a minute here, you'd realize that this is probably the most humane way of ending their lives there is. It takes literally less than half a second for them to cease existing entirely; that's not even enough time for them to register any pain.Again - you can argue that exterminating them is wrong and evil, but if it's the manner of exterminating then that shocks you, you're an idiot. Being on a conveyor belt without an understanding of what's about to happen and then having it all end in a fraction of a second is not a bad way to go.
>>532132529I don’t care.
>>532132529incorrect. this is a gore video. male chickens are used to fertilise eggs to make more chickens so we can have more eggs. my faggot cousin sent me this years ago when i said id gotten kfc. such a smarmy cunt i hate him. i didnt know one thing wnd he mocked me on facebook. wanted to batter him. might still do ot if i ever see him again.
>>532132529Is this how they make McNuggets?
okay so we dont kill them. then what. do you know how much space, time, and food it takes to take care of millions and millions of chicks who are NOT profitable? do you know what happens if you dont, and you just release millions and millions of chickens into an environment not designed to handle them?a) the companies go out of business because they cant support just giving millions of animals daycare. nobody eats chicken again, millions starveb) your taxes skyrocket as taking care of millions and millions (increase per day) of chickens so we can eat them without feeling "bad" (while we eat chickens).c) we release them into the enviroment and they strip the earth bare of any available plant material/bugs and turn it into a fucking desert wastelandso which one
>>532133388Chink bug poster detected, better get back to the kitchen your dinner is starting to run away
>>532133816>clarence kennedy>known for being weak185kg is so gay. world record is 501kg
>>532132529I read chicks as chinks and thought this would be an industrial accident kino thread, but it's just gay shit every one already knew
>>532133816>>532162390>we should note that these lifts were not done in competition pfahahahahahaa
I swear I read "chinks" kek I need a break.
Pol: white people are too tragically empathic for their own good. Other races don't have souls, evenAlso pol: yes billions must die because i like the taste of tendies. Problem?Fascinating
>>532135037>then instead of thanopinion, worthless
>>532137122>farmer cut his chickens brake linesyeah
>>532134309Yes and yes. It's actually pretty hard to make an argument for why rape is immoral. Would you say it's immoral because the victim feels pain & grief? If so, is it okay to rape comatose patients (disturbingly common btw) who will never feel anything, assuming you're not permanently injuring their bodies?Consent wasn't even a thing until like 50 years ago. In many countries, it wasn't considered rape if the perpetrator didn't cum inside the victim. And marital rape was an impossibility, still is the case in many countries.
Vegans are too dumb to realize they can only exist as vegans because of the modern industrial agriculture system that they hate.
>>532132529Yes, and?
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>>532146666i'm going to make sure jews die
