Reminder: you are on stolen land.
>>532166497I seem to recall something about shiny beads, dont blame others just because you are stupid.
>>532166497reminder 1pbtid
>>532166497Them murdering each other (other indian tribes) is like 75% of the reason they kept getting shuffled around until we locked them into shitty reservations. The less niggery acting ones are still doing fine to this very day.
>>532166497Indians had slaves. The white man brought diversity.
>>532166497CONQUERED LAND
>>532166497All land belongs to whites.
>>532166497Dont worry Chief Weeping Feet, browns and blacks are stealing it back from the white devil
>>532166497im Native American though
HEYAHOYA
>>532166497Pioneers built frontier dance halls, though.
>>532166497Stupid liberal premise, who's land was it, the nomadic tribes from Europe? Go buy some land and give it back poorfag.
>>532166497Stolen from whom?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWmOVbu9rMFuck off.
>>532166497So were they
>>532166497Stop being a liberal, we need to make the rez great again by increasing blood quantum and making rez's an ethnostate again
>>532166497>StoleAccording to what law? Of what sovereign state?
>>532166497All land is stolen. Not a single piece of land in the whole world is occupied by its original inhabitants.
Death to feather jews.
>>532166497They should have known better than to cheat a friend and waste the chance that they'd been given.
>>532166497The vast majority of people saying this are migrants or leftists trying to justify theft of land, property, rights from whites or even ironically from natives as well.
>>532167290Democrats are waging a war on reds by>investing in abortion on rez's>running a psyop campaign against blood quantum >promoting red-white race mixing in hollywood>removing iconic red mascots from sports teams
>>532166497>>532166647>>532166801white people built the cities native americans were living in before colombusyea the current government lied about who built them but still
>>532166497Pretty sure most nations are on "stolen" land.
>>532166497>Reminder:infant hands typed that
>>532166497Conquered not stolen.
>>532166497Shudda known better than to cheat a friend...
>>532166497uh huh so you are going to shit up and destroy it more?
>>532166497What do you want to do about it then?
>>532166497USA has the right to exist
>>532166497>white man can't danceNigger.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Astaire
>>532166497Reminder that all other races absolutely despise jeets.
>>532166497i'm just here to HEYAHOYA postHEYAHOYAHEYAHOYAHEYAHOYAHEYAHOYA
>>532166497we are one race; we are all niggers
>>532170178thank you for your service
>>532166497Seeing Indians makes me want to laugh while eating turkey and stuffing.
>>532166497>stole
>>532166497
>>532166497My ancestors settled the land I live on peacefully. They did peaceable commerce with the local natives for decades before the federal government arrived. I own my land through pure Lockean homesteading and inheritance. If I don't own my land then nobody does.
>>532170316based thank you for service poster
america wasn't stolen land pre-columbian whites built all the architecturethey tell you lies in school to get you far away from the target as possible
>>532166497You lost that battle 200 years ago. No sense in crying about it now.
>>5321664971pbtid babysitting thread. Congrats to all the retards that fell for it.
>>532166497Reminder: All land is stolen. There's nowhere that hasn't had its original inhabitants displaced by another group.
>>532172085>There's nowhere that hasn't had its original inhabitants displaced by another group.I am an actual ancap and I dispute this claim.
>>532172237That's nice? Care to tell us more?
>>532166497if you are too stupid and weak to protect something, it isnt yours.
>>532172395There are plenty of places where land was unowned and original appropriation can be verified to have taken place. Oregon for instance was largely unworked land until settlers arrived.
>>532170891This is the best fetish to have bros
>>532172510>OregonThe place you now call Oregon had Indians living in every part of it. You are telling me that there was a part of Oregon that at the point of European arrival in the area was not in some way claimed or settled by a tribe, clan, savage, council etc?
>>532172510Just because no one was there when people showed up at some point in history and didn't know the people that were there before them doesn't mean they were the original inhabitants.This is unknowable because humans have existed long before written histories existed.Just because it is unknowable doesn't preclude the possibility of people inhabiting before said "original group" inhabited it.
>>532172645>The place you now call Oregon had Indians living in every part of it.Completely and verifiably untrue.>You are telling me that there was a part of Oregon that at the point of European arrival in the area was not in some way claimed or settled by a tribe, clan, savage, council etc?Yes. The native population of Oregon was tiny, and heavily concentrated in the most fertile regions. There were plenty of settlers, my ancestors among them, who simply chose to work more marginal land that was not already settled.
>>532166497My great grandmother was Cherokee/Shawnee, so you can go eat shit and die.
>>532172797>Just because no one was there when people showed up at some point in history and didn't know the people that were there before them doesn't mean they were the original inhabitants.That's literally what that means.>This is unknowable because humans have existed long before written histories existed.Even the most extreme Rothbardians (who I probably count among) don't believe that if literally everyone who had some claim to a piece of land is dead that the land is somehow still owned by their ghosts or something.
>>532166497i'm rhythmically dancing on stolen land.
>>532173024I'm not making the claim. I'm being as absurd as OP to prove a point. Apparently dead native american ghosts can claim ownership of land too, or something.
>>532166497Heya hoya heya >>532172950She's raped. Wish it coulda been me violently throat fucking her before I stabbed her guts with a knife
>>532166497>Reminder: you are on stolen land.Who isn't?
>>532172882>Completely and verifiably untrue.As is your claim of there being unclaimed places. How do you know those places were unclaimed for a certain fact. I don't mean this in the "how many angels fit in the pinhead" type of way. I mean do you really think that were were places in Oregon that did not have a groups of nomads claiming its resources (hunting) as their own. Granted, some places were practically uninhabited, but that does not mean totally uninhabited, unclaimed, unused. I give you a practical guarantee that before your grand grand pappy came over that land at some point in human existance was is some way shape or form claim by another human being. You're living on stolen land bud.
>Give land back to the natives in Canada>They IMMEDIATELY sell it to the Chinesebro...
>>532166497silly feather nigger. it's not stolen. it was promised to us by god. manifest destiny nigger :)
HEYA HOJA HEYA HOJA
>>532173281>She's rapedUnlikely. The Cherokee/Shawnee mix originates from the southward push of the Iroquois tribes, whom displaced or killed other tribes in their wake. The Shawnee fled south to live with the Cherokee, but the tribes had a falling out later. Some Shawnee returned north to their ancestral lands and interbred with the European population.
>>532173201>I'm not making the claim. I'm being as absurd as OP to prove a point.Well I'm drunk, so fuck you!>Apparently dead native american ghosts can claim ownership of land too, or something.I mean if they have living descendants who could prove their ancestors owned the land then the ownership would belong to them. The "America is stolen land" narrative falls apart because outside of the east coast and some notable atrocities like what the Mormons did in Utah, there was very little land that was actually stolen. That small amount of land being stolen was still a crime, don't get me wrong, but the vast majority of American settlers really did legitimately engage in Lockean homesteading and their claims to ownership are arguably more legitimate than anyone in Europe's for instance.>>532173472>As is your claim of there being unclaimed places.I didn't claim they were unclaimed, I said they were unowned. If claiming a place is the same as ownership then I claim Betelgeuse and all planets within a lightyear of it which have not already been claimed.>do you really think that were were places in Oregon that did not have a groups of nomads claiming its resourcesDoes passing through a place make you its owner? Your notion of what constitutes original appropriation is absurd and unworkable.>>532173472>I give you a practical guarantee that before your grand grand pappy came over that land at some point in human existance was is some way shape or form claim by another human being.You're missing five "grands", and you're still wrong. Not only did my ancestors move onto land that nobody was living on or using (I've read their journals, merely clearing enough ground to build a cabin on was a task that took months) but the local natives were delighted to have someone nearby to trade with, although not very nearby, it was still a long hike to the river and then a long canoe trip to reach where the natives lived.
>>532166497Heyahoyaheyahoyaheyahoya
It's okay he let you build casino and keep your firewater
>>532166497>have got English you whisky nigger.
>>532166497Then why are blacks and Latinos so good at dancing
>>532166497I talked to a Native American Vietnam Veteran who was pro trump and he was based.
>>532174074>latinoHigh amount native blood>blackForced to be here, fought alongside natives like with the seminoles.
>>532173889Good elaboration. I thought what you were saying was that claims of ownership go back to prehistory. I interpreted "unowned" as "unclaimed". I'm just so used to this shit of Indians claiming every fucking part of this country, fuck my basement suite is claimed by some cree fucker because his grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand mommy was status.
I'm like 20% native american mutt like every other latino
Its not about the land, its about what's been built upon the land. which native Americans did not build and to expect whites to leave their built civilizations is a far greater crime to humanity than pretending like you were doing something with the dirt you are crying over anyways. You didn't build shit teepee fucker. stop crying over what isn't yours as well.
>>532174235You live in a country without a military yet the last time I went to Costa Rica my uncle was shot with a .38 revolver. If you savages had any sense you'd have been smuggling in Fagot missiles for decades.
>>532173526>injuns hate whitey just like pretty much every other nonwhite Daily reminder that nobody else is ever letting us get away from their bullshit unless we unalive them. Glowniggers gangstalk my cracker ass because it's so dangerous and knows where OP lives.
>>532174454>unalive
>>532173889You clearly dont know Utah history as well as you would like to admit. most Mormon VS Indian related issues were not as tragic as you are portraying, because if you knew anything about native american tribes then, then you would know the Utes, Paiutes, Goshutes, Shoshone, and Navajo tribes that made up that region of America were actually quite passive compared to the commonly notorious tribes in other places. such as the Lakota, Blackhawk, and Comanche.Utah Native tribes are notably tame compared to others. nice narrative you got there. mind if i discredit it because its not as bad as it seems?
>>532174218>I thought what you were saying was that claims of ownership go back to prehistory.I mentioned Lockean homesteading in my first post in the thread. The first post you replied to referred to the concepts of ownership and original appropriation. I may be drunk, but I think you were fucking retarded here.>>532174730Go ahead and discredit it. Although I'm talking about atrocities against property rights, not the usual lefty nonsense, so you might be jumping to defend something I'm not attacking.
>>532174415They don't produce or provide they shrimply kill and consume. They'll gladly use the white man's bangsticks and firewater while talking shit about those that gave it to them. They don't technically have anywhere else to be deported to we're kind of stuck with them stealing from and sabotaging us until they're all finally gone. All they do is selfishly aura farm IRL. >>532174518Injuns don't want to just kill us they want to suck our souls out. They believe in all of that shit big time.
>>532174830I feel like you are smearing Utahns and Mormons because you dont like them. I cant help but call out ignorance. you must be a catholic or something. because we all know who was really slaughtering injuns.
>>532174084Abraham Lincoln was part nativehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ2TYgamO5s
Half native American here. Genuinely don't understand why natives live on reservations and try to preserve dey culcha. There's cool native american folklore but most of it is written down at this point. It only takes a generation or two of mixing before you can't even tell someone has native blood and natives do fine when raised outside the reservation. Basically any native American fighting integration is retarded.
>>532166497If legitimacy were negated by hereditary guilt of conquest, nation states would be impossible to justify. "No one is illegal on stolen land" only becomes legitimate when that power is unable to be administered institutionally. That's what happened to the Ottoman Empire. In the aftermath of WWI, they lost all their territories. Had the Ottoman Empire been as robust as they were at its peak during the 17th Century, they'd still be the rightful owners of the Balkans and much of the Middle East.Nations are not owned by ancestors, abstract concepts of humanity, or moral narratives. They are held in trust by those capable of sustaining the legal, economic, cultural, and administrative systems that make collective life possible. Legitimacy flows from stewardship and performance, not blood, guilt, or ideology. Groups that maintain institutions earn authority; groups that destroy them forfeit it. History matters, but competence governs.It's one thing to find and keep, but maintaining and stewardship are a more precise and complicated set of affairs. Do you own property? Have you heard of adverse possession? You may legally own a piece of land, but if someone were to live on it for a long enough period of time and maintain stewardship of it, that land is no longer yours. It becomes theirs by virtue of adverse possession. Merely showing up isn't enough. Competency and involvement in stewardship determines who owns the land. If you fail at that, then you lose any/all ownership of the land.Success in war doesn't necessarily mean the conquerors are capable of building a society. The Mongol Empire collapsed because they were unable to maintain stewardship at a national level and instead fragmented into different Khanates. Even the most robust of those eventually fell.
>>532166497I knew an american indian kid d in high school. He was one of those your on stolen land types. One day I got tired of his bullshit and I laid it out to him clearly and concisely. I told him that you lost. Not through any fault of your own. Not because you were fighting with your fellow tribes. But because you came up against a technologically superior opponent who was literally thousands of years more advanced then you. You were still in the stone age. While we white men were on the cusp of the industrial revolution. We had already mastered simple machines and metal. But had not yet discovered the industrial processes to mass produce them. We came across the sea to you. While you barely had the technology to cross lakes and rivers. You also sinned and were brutal and cruel to your neighbors. You hunted each other like animals and took great pride in causing pain before death. Even to the innocent. You cannibalized each other. The plains indians were the worst at it. Only second to the aztecs down south. Even though there was plenty of protein the buffalo available on the prairie. You chose to consume your fellow human beings. No wonder the lesser weaker tribes came to the white man for protection. And even when we beat you. We did not exterminate you. We did not have the heart to. Yes we displaced you from your land and yes we broke our treaties. But we did not do to you as the israelis do to palestine. This was years before the gaza genocide. Anyway he got upset and reported me to the school, Forced to write a report apologizing and recanting my beliefs. Nothing I said was unfactual. Just offensive to losers like him.
>OH MY GOD WESTWARD EXPANSION WAS SO TERRIBLE. THOSE FUCKING MORMONS WERE KILLING THOSE INJUNS SO HARD>DONT QUESTION WHY I SAY WHAT I SAY AND DO WHAT I DO.
>>532174910>I feel like you are smearing Utahns and Mormons because you dont like them. I cant help but call out ignorance.Actually I like Mormons a lot. I mostly don't like the Utahns I know because they're actually Californians who moved to SLC.>you must be a catholic or something.I'm an athiest but I'm not a cunt about it>because we all know who was really slaughtering injuns.Other injuns mostly, also the feds. I'll be honest my memory on the topic is foggy, but didn't the LDS church basically use eminent domain pretty willy nilly at some point?
>>532175112in mormon bible it says there was entire empty cities, they specifically named the cities with empty already fabricated stone buildings
>>532175162like i said, if you really knew what you pretend to know is that most Mormon V Indian issues were timid compared to other compadre's westward expansion.most Utah tribes were pacitfists. not all tribes are evil, just like not all Christian organizations are slaughters.stop trying to make it sound like mormons were doing what catholics were doing. the natives there were not even bad tribes that were difficult to deal with.
>>532175282>like i said, if you really knew what you pretend to know is that most Mormon V Indian issues were timid compared to other compadre's westward expansion.I'm saying I don't pretend to know and want to be educated.>most Utah tribes were pacitfists. not all tribes are evil, just like not all Christian organizations are slaughters.Never claimed either thing. My ancestors were among the first settlers in the Oregon Territory and they had completely peaceful and friendly relations with the natives until the feds showed up.>stop trying to make it sound like mormons were doing what catholics were doing.I'm not. I'm kinda drunk but I remember reading a lot about the LDS church engaging in socialist nonsense and seizing (mostly white Mormon) people's property willy nilly in the 1900s (I think, if you keep pushing back I guess I'll dig up what the fuck I'm half remembering right now). My memory on the topic is vague but I am sure I read some pretty scathing stuff about Mormons being basically a bunch of commies for several decades before they calmed their tits. This was all well after Joseph Smith died.
>>532175718but its ok when you talk like as if you do. im just saying if you and any knowledge of the tribes in the area, that most tribes in utah are in fact probably more accepting and nice than other tribes. how you could overlook this basic fact makes me question where you come from and who taught you what YOU know.
>>532166497*conquered
>>532175809>but its ok when you talk like as if you do. im just saying if you and any knowledge of the tribes in the area, that most tribes in utah are in fact probably more accepting and nice than other tribes.I'm not talking about the Mormon's interactions with the local tribes. I'm talking about the LDS church's expropriation of property from Mormons (and possibly non mormons, my memory is fuzzy) decades after the initial movement of Mormons into Utah. I don't know how to make this clearer to you.>how you could overlook this basic fact makes me question where you come from and who taught you what YOU know.I've repeatedly said I'm not talking about the thing you're arguing with and that I'd like input from someone who knows better than I do. By which I mean you, if you are such a person.
>>532175963>Im just saying what my catholic father taught me despite it being so factually incorrect. just shut up with your ignorance. its one thing to want to talk about the Meadows Murder Massacre, its another to be so stupid to the most safest and most dangerous tribes in America. please save it for your sunday cope sermon.
>>532176051Did you even read my fucking post? I mean I know you didn't, but what the fuck?
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>>532176143Catholic cope. I see why you blame Mormons. just like its not all whites, its not all injuns. YOU LEARNED TODAY
>>532166497 conquered land is not stolen, if that is the case then every mother fucker is on stolen land. stfu kike ass nigger faggot
>>532176243Dude, I don't know how drunk you are, but go back and read some of my posts.
>>532176639>listen to the catholic on the evils of Mormons in westward expansiontypical self suck one true church message propaganda. this is like painting northeaster Americans as slave owners, when all the plantations were in the south. learn some history. PLEASE. i know its common to overexaggerate mormons about soaking and their cookie crazy beliefs. but come on now, you must be retarded. and im not going to look over what you say, its a perfect opprotunity to have the good mormon christians dunk on the violent catholics.
