>be boomer>go to mcdonalds>buy hot coffee>pour hot coffee on yourself>coffee ends up being hot>sue mcdonalds for millions of dollars
>>532166804If you actually stopped shilling for your multibillion-dollar corporate masters, you'd find out that McDonald's was serving coffee at boiling temperatures in order to stop people from drinking it and then getting free refills. They'd caused injuries to a lot of people that way and had been sued repeatedly over it. Her lawyer pointed this out to the jury and the jury issued a punitive fine to ensure that McDonald's executives realized that they'd better stop injuring people or else they were going to end up bankrupt.
>>532166804Her vagina was permanently scarred and disfigured by the coffee, which was served at 190 degrees. McD's got off too easy.
>>532166804corporations don't get to hold all the cards. They can fuck right off back to their lobbies with that bs.
>>532166804>burn your old pussy on covfefe that was too hot to server>"Please pay my $200 medical bill">"Lol no fuck off boomer lmao"
>>532168406>which was served at 190 degrees.What temperature is coffee normally?
>>532166804This is bait right? At this point you shouldn't know the details of the case and how justified she was in suing them.
>>532168169fpbp
The boomer internet defense force has arrived.
>>532168169Fake news. McDonald’s is an honorable American institution and would never do anything to harm or manipulate its customers. Show some fucking respect traitor.
>>532169692>McDonald’s is an honorable American institution and would never do anything to harm or manipulate its customers.Thanks Michael Keaton
>>532168406M Y V A G I N A ! ! ! !
>>532166804Interesting
>>532168804189.9FOh vey She deserves every penny for their gross negligence
>>532168804160F. The big issue is that tissue damage isn't linear to temperature. Not every ten degree increase in temperature causes the same change in damage. At 190F, the burns are both extreme (third degree) and near instant. At 160F, you get a burn but its far less severe and since the liquid rolls off for the most part, it's the instantaneous damage level that matters the most. At the time of the incident, McDonald's was serving at a temperature well above the industry standard and they were well aware that it had been causing severe burns immediately when there was a spill. They continued serving at those temperatures despite even their own internal auditors telling them it was dangerous beyond normal expectations.
>>532166804I'm just gonna leave this here.
>>532166804Wasn't the amount she was awarded was significantly reduced after the appeal?Surely you wouldn't expect a corporation to actually be responsible for its actions?
>>532166804>During the case, Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchisees to hold coffee at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C). Liebeck's attorneys argued that coffee should never be served hotter than 140 °F (60 °C), and that a number of other establishments served coffee at a substantially lower temperature than McDonald's. The attorneys presented evidence that coffee they had tested all over the city was served at a temperature at least 20 °F (11 °C) lower than McDonald's coffee. They also presented the jury with expert testimony that 190 °F (88 °C) coffee may produce third-degree burns (where skin grafting is necessary) in about three seconds and 180 °F (82 °C) coffee may produce such burns in about 12 to 15 seconds.[14] Lowering the temperature to 160 °F (71 °C) would increase the time for the coffee to produce such a burn to 20 seconds. Liebeck's attorneys argued that these extra seconds could provide adequate time to remove the coffee from exposed skin, thereby preventing many burns.
>maybe if i suck billionare cock they will gibs me money
>>532168169Is that even true? I though the free refills was typically only for "soda"? First I've heard about this being for coffee, but I haven't stepped into a McDonald's since I was a kid. And yes, even though they are scumbags, it's still a retarded case in my opinion.>waaahhh this coffee is...too hot!How about when handling anything that is hot, you...take precautions? The way I see it, this is just another example of people not taking responsibility for themselves and blaming others when things go wrong because of their own actions. It reminds me of that recent case with the tech companies being sued because of a pathetic lack of self control by the people using it:>waaahhhh they're so addictive so i deserve free money!
>>532166804>boomer>On February 27, 1992, the plaintiff, Stella Liebeck, aged 79she was born in 1913 you innumerate moron
For me, it's the McChicken. The best fast food sandwich. I even ask for extra McChicken sauce packets and the staff is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.One time I asked for McChicken sauce packets and they gave me three. I said, "Wow, three for free!" and the nice friendly McDonald's worker laughed and said, "I'm going to call you 3-for-free!".Now the staff greets me with "hey it's 3-for-free!" and ALWAYS give me three packets. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local McDonald's restaurant, I go there at least 3 times a week for lunch and a large iced coffee with milk instead of cream, 1-2 times for breakfast on the weekend, and maybe once for dinner when I'm in a rush but want a great meal that is affordable, fast, and can match my daily nutritional needs.I even dip my fries in McChicken sauce, it's delicious! What a great restaurant.
>>532170846The woman that had coffee spilled on her got 3rd degree burns and her skin blistered and boiled before sloughing off her body. They essentially gave her a coffee that was just boiling water with 3 molecules of milk in it. She was in hospital for 8 days and needed skin grafts.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_RestaurantsMeanwhile I spilled some coffee on myself this morning when the kids banged into my leg and it was hot and unpleasant, and that's about it.
>>532168169>lose 2.9 million dollars to prevent people from getting a 25 cent refill on coffeeKekWhy are companies so jewish.
>>532171379Also, she only asked for $20,000 for medical expenses related to her injury and McDonald's told her to fuck off.The jury was absolutely correct to btfo the corporate shills who got caught causing massive injury to their customers just to save a few cents worth of hot water
>>532170846I've heard it was because market research showed that most people that ordered coffee were waiting to drink it due to needing to find somewhere to park or to eat their food first, so serving it at normal temperatures lead to complaints of cold coffee. thus, hold it absurdly hot so by the time the customer goes to drink it, it's cooled to a normal temperature>.take precautions?why should anyone assume you needed to take precautions with coffee? do you routinely drink coffee so hot it instantly fuses flaps of your skin together? her pussy lips literally melted together in the short time the coffee was on her lap, fuck off with your personal responsibility bullshit. mczogs knowingly and deliberately served coffee that was far hotter than any reasonable person would expect it to be, and knew that it was injuring people but did nothing because it was more profitable that way
>>532170846>How about when handling anything that is hot, you...take precautions?Retarded zoomer, there were no warning labels informing the customer how hot it wasThe entire reason we have warning labels now is because of this incident and of course retarded eternal toddlers like you
>>532170189Even Seinfeld did an episode about it.
>>532171632That was part of the bullshit campaign McDonald's ran to try and cover themselves. It didn't work.What they were serving was completely unfit for human consumption when they passed it over the counter.
>>532171632>market research discoveredDefending their retarded decisions by citing their retarded decisions.>take drink>take sip>set down because holy fuck I was careful and still burned my tongue
>>532170846It’s a well known case study in PR. Coffee is normally served at 60C or something like that and that’s the optimal temperature because you can drink it right after you get served. McDonald’s was selling it at 90C because they could make it in batches and leave it ‘fresher’ for longer by leaving it on a hotplate or something. That’s why the burns were so bad. No one else sold coffee at that temperature because of safety issues. They lost the court case but to save face they put ‘CAUTION: HOT’ on all their coffees from then on, so now when you buy a coffee from McDonald’s you don’t think>they sold the coffee at too hot a temperature you think>what dumbass doesn’t realise coffee is hot?and have no sympathy for the woman who won the case against themIt’s like if instagram now has a disclaimer saying ‘warning: addictive!’ after they lost their lawsuit last week
>>532171854>>532171975I'm not saying they were right to do that, but that's what I've heard is the reason they chose to hold coffee at dangerously high tempsthe correct response is to tell people to suck it up or drink the coffee sooner, but again they didn't give a fuck about anything but maximizing their profits even if it meant permanently disfiguring people
>>532170325No it wasn't. And the damages were largely punitive. If you slap a $10,000 fine on McDonald's they laugh and continue serving boiling coffee. You make the damages high enough to feel it to discourage them from doing it again. Hence the large payout.
>>532166804i remember the photo anon posted sometime ago of the burns, it looked like they poured lava on her.idk if its because old people bruise easily or if they just boil it with their fryers.
>>532166804It makes me smile knowing anon will kill you soon
>>532166804>coffee ends up being hotScalding. It is absolutely illegal to serve food and beverages above safe temperatures. Same logic as serving food that is spoiled.
>>532172454You get mad when you slip in front of a wet floor sign too?
>>532172368>or if they just boil it with their fryers.Nah they kept the pot perpetually boiling, so when served it was at about 85 degrees Celsius. She got third degree burns as it was hot enough to still burn her skin once it soaked into her clothes.
>>532172549>You get mad when you slip in front of a wet floor sign too?Signage doesn't invalidate a hazard. So yeah I would.
>>532168169Not true. They made it hot so it wouldn't cool down when truckers and such were drinking it on long drives. Most people buying the coffee weren't drinking it right away they were sipping on it and putting it down for a while. And even though they lost the lawsuit, they still serve coffee just as hot. Now they just have warnings on the cup so if you melt your genitals off it's your own fault.
>>532172700>they still serve coffee just as hot.https://penalaw.net/deja-vu-mcdonalds-hot-coffee-verdict-again/Yeah and still losing lawsuits over it.
>>532172700>>532172914Wrong link, that's Starbucks.https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/20/mcdonalds-sued-for-severe-burns-from-spilled-hot-coffee-again.html
>>532172549you dumb fucking migger, the reason wet floor signs are a thing is because some (((company))) left a floor wet without telling anyone and some poor soul slipped and split open their skull or got permanently fucked up from a fall and then sued
>>532173115balance issue
>>532166804They probably gangstalked her for the rest of her life in retaliation. Poor lady.
>>532172988I can't find anything to indicate that she won the lawsuit, I could be wrong but it appears the case is still pending
>>532171764As if you need a label to tell you that coffee is going to be hot.
>>532170846>Is that even true? I though the free refills was typically only for "soda"?Yes, it absolutely is true. That was the reason (not "it's for truckers so it won't cool down" -- just imagine maneuvering your 80,000lb 18-wheel behemoth down the highway, then dumping boiling coffee on your testicles, and losing control and ramming a busload of nuns and orphans), it was documented in McDonalds' internal communications, and the evidence was presented to the jury which reacted accordingly.
>>532166804That was a lot of money in the '80s/'90s.>>532168169
>>532166804If you saw her burns…..she didn‘t get enough.
>>532173506>just imagine maneuvering your 80,000lb 18-wheel behemoth down the highway, then dumping boiling coffee on your testicles, and losing control and ramming a busload of nuns and orphanskino
>>532168778You lost, McJew
>>532170846On top of everything else everyone told you, the court also found that the high temperature of the coffee compromised the structure of the cup and lid. The material lost rigidity and became more malleable and that's what caused the spill in the first place. The cup was between her legs and she squeezed ever so slightly causing the cup to fold and pop off the lid. Under "normal" temperatures this wouldn't have been an issue. And again, McDonald's had repeatedly been told in other cases to stop selling coffee at that temperature as it was the direct cause of the injuries. Also, the judge lowered the awarded amount to $640,000 and then it was settled for an undisclosed amount.
>>532173506Folks don't realize they can just drop an ice cube in and drink as much coffee as they want>>532174009Did they do some kind of experiment to replicate and test how the lids became compromised and how easily squeezing them would cause the coffee to spill?
>>532174243>Ms. Liebeck was found to be partially to blame for her injuries from the way she removed the lid from her coffee cupSo I misremembered I guess. She did have it between her legs, though. I can't find the court documents. But I am still confident that the first time I read them there was a section about the temperature and the structure of the cup/lid.
>>532174243huh thats a good question, we should ask mcdonalds literal army of extremely highly paid lawyers if they like, forgot to actually dispute this claim. damn wouldnt that be a silly mistake
>>532174771Yeah that was definitely their entire legal defense.They just stood in front of the jury and went "cmooooooon"
>>532166804>be McDonalds>serve coffee at scalding temps>causes 2nd degree burns in just 2sec contact>3rd degree burns if over 7sec contact>serve in shitty foam cups with ill fitting lids>customers constantly getting burned from spills>record hundreds of people each year getting scalded>do nothing cuz muh freshness and muh profitsThey deserved to be sued for a lot more.
>>532170189beautiful because i know so many boomers that claim to like their coffee HOT (to the point it scalds your mouth). this woman was really just a victim of boomerism
>>532166804It's due to the lack of personal accountably thanks to lawyers
>>532173429>Serving coffee at skin scalding temps is normalEither you are a retard or underage
>>532166804This bitches pussy got melted shut. Which should be standard practice for western whores.
>>532171379>>532171510Yes, the burns were bad, but the difference in your comparision is you weren't holding a flimsy crappy 49c plastic cup between your legs while sitting in a car! This woman did. Reading more on the case, she was deemed to be only like 20% liable or whatever. Come on. If anything, it's 50% at least. Should the makers of chainsaws pay compensation to you because of an accident where you slipped and you cut off your arm or something? I'm not exactly surprised McDonald's declined to pay for medical expenses.
>>532166804the coffee was so hot it fused her vagina shut, she had to have it surgically reopened, which was all she wanted mcdonald's to pay for
>>532169125She was actually somewhere around the greatest or silent generation, not a boomer
>>532171632I'm sure there are people who did those have complaints about cold coffee, so it even makes sense McDonald's might want to have it hotter than what's typical. Aren't you just enforcing my point by saying that? Also, are you seriously telling me you don't take precautions with hot coffee? You do know it still burns, right? Even if it was 11 °C cooler. The only thing I might agree with you here is they probably should have had better warnings about how hot the coffee actually was, but really, would that have even mattered. Yes, personal responsibility is a factor and should be considered.
>>532171764There were warnings on the cup though? So, you are just wrong, assuming that Wikipedia article is correct. Now sure, the warning didn't state how hot the coffee actually was, but still, why would you assume it wouldn't cause bad burns in the first place? Seriously? Do we have to argue what the word HOT means next? That other anon was right. As if you need a label to tell you that coffee is going to be hot! But even that is not enough supposedly.
>>532172133Another anon stated there was market research showing people complaining about coffee going cold because of wanting to go somewhere and drink it. You even state they were doing this practice so coffee would be fresher for longer. So does it not make sense why McDonald's would then want to make it hotter? You literally give a reason why! As for the labelling, again, what you are saying isn't even true apparently because according to the stuff quoted to me earlier, there were warnings already on the cup.
>>532177527What the hell is wrong with you?
>>532168406At the same time, boomers and silent gens went on the record to tell McDonald’s corp things like “I want my coffee piping hot hot hot.” It’s really more of a generational issue caused by nearly everyone born before 1970 being an idiot of varying degree. The millennial equivalent would be akin to telling Starbucks shit like “I want at least 10 pumps of vanilla in my latte” …except millennials and younger for the most part don’t say shit like that.
>>532168169They still do today, so what now? The only thing they did different was made their cups fucktard-proof.
>>532173506If you say so, but as for that trucker situation you gave? You do know that still could happen even if the coffee was cooler and it was spilled all over your balls?
>>532168169>>532172914You need to
>>532177773>you don't take precautions with hot coffee?I don't take precautions to avoid third degree burns so severe I need skin grafts from my coffee, no. do you?
>>532170846>it's still a retarded case in my opinion.It's really not, it's equivalent to serving food that causes food poisoning due to improper care.
>>532174009You can see my responses on those comments. The way I see it, the cup compromising the structure of the cup and lid as you say is probably the only actual legitimate complaint that could be made. I don't know if what you're saying about all this is true though, but assuming it is, that should be the real focus if anything. The woman still has plenty of blame to share for doing such a stupid thing in the first place and she probably still would have got burned badly (but not as seriously) because as the case states, her cotton pants absorbed all the fluids and she was sitting in the passenger seat causing her to basically be bathed in hot coffee.
>>532178130I don't even drink coffee (it tastes like shit), but there is plenty of other things that I and you deal with that are hot, so yes, you do take precautions just like you would with a stove or anything else that is HOT.
>>532178170That's not equivalent at all. Serving poisonous food that could even potentially kill you is quite different to...spilling hot coffee on yourself.
>>532178305>just like you would with a stove or anything else that is HOT.Well no, it's a consumable beverage. It's legally suppossed to be served in an ingestable state.
>>532178305>you should treat a cup of coffee the same way you treat a stove burneryou're making her case you retard
>>532178361>Serving poisonous food that could even potentially kill you is quite different to...spilling hot coffee on yourself.It caused third degree burns. Those are potentially lethal. Ergo it is equivalent.
>>532166804Yeah, that isn’t even close to what happened. Imagine simping for fucking McDonald’s
>>532178369And you can ingest it provided you let it cool. Do you shovel boiling hot food down your gullet from a restaurant or home cooking? I hope not.
>>532178361>.spilling hot coffee*spilling near boiling coffeeit was 190 F, water boils at 212 Fhow fucking stupid do you have to be to go to bat for McDs when their internal documentation openly admitted their coffee was dangerously hot and they didn't care
>>532172454What about steak houses that bring the plate straight out of the oven?
>>532178397No I'm not. You should treat anything HOT as hazardous to your health and take the appropriate precautions.
>>532178409No it isn't. There's a difference between someone knowingly selling you toxic food to someone who literally burns themself.
>>532178493>provided you let it coolErgo it's not ingestable.....
>>532178602>There's a difference between someone knowingly selling you toxic food to someone who literally burns themself.Who literally burns themselves because of the temperature of the beverage you served them? No, there legally isn't a difference. Hence McDonald's losing.
>>532178621Are you going to sue a random restaurant next because they sell you hot food you can't ingest immediately? Come on.
>>532178685>because they sell you hot food you can't ingest immediately?If it's hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns, yes.
>>532178664You could literally injure yourself from anything. Should we sue the knife company because you cut yourself? Please. There's various reason why McDonald's lost. One of them being people not taking personal responsibility and that even includes McDonald's too by the way. That's why I say the whole case is retarded all round.
>>532178724>Your honor, I went to this restaurant and put the boiling hot food in my mouth and didn't let it cool! It hurt really bad and I got injuries. I deserve $6,000,000!
>>532178820>Should we sue the knife company because you cut yourself?They don't sell a consumable beverage. If there is a demonstrable design flaw with the knife that causes me to cut myself of course I'll sue.
>>532178882Yes, if it's served hot enough to cause injury it's unsafe service.
>>532166804>burn suit
>>532178913Which goes back to earlier about cup design another anon brought up. That's perhaps the only real logical argument which could be made.
McDonald's disinfo campaign about the lawsuit ended up being a success.
>>532179028>That's perhaps the only real logical argument which could be madeNo, the temperature was unsafe. Again it's equivalent to unhygienic food handling in terms of legality.
The bottom line in the US is: you should not serve food or drink that can permanently maim or injure the consumer.If you do, you are probably going to be responsible for at least paying for medical bills for the injured person.
>>532178947That's so retarded. Is it "unsafe service" if you accidently jab and injure yourself with the fork they placed on the table earlier?
>>532179142>Is it "unsafe service" if you accidently jab and injure yourself with the fork they placed on the table earlierOf course not you retard. The cutlery isn't a consumable.
>>532179077So if the coffee is served at 61 °C, is that "unsafe"? Liebeck's attorneys apparently argued that coffee shouldn't be served hotter than 60 °C.
>>532179206But it's part of "unsafe service", a point which you argued.
>>532179236>So if the coffee is served at 61 °C, is that "unsafeYes. That can cause 3rd degree burns.
>>532179267>But it's part of "unsafe serviceNo it isn't, they are not serving you cutlery. They're serving you food, that must be safely consumable.
>>532179277But 60 °C can't?
>>53217933060° can with a long period of exposure. Which due to it cooling rapidly is of fairly minimal risk.
>>532179318You're missing the point. You say it's "unsafe service" even if the food is one degree hotter as you literally stated in the earlier comment. As far as I know, you can still get 3rd degree burns even at 60 °C. Can you not see the absurdity I'm pointing out?
>>532179427I'm not exactly a temperature expert here, but I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be that drastic of a difference like you're making out between 60 °C and 61 °C. I think you're just being disingenuous now.
>>532179457>Can you not see the absurdity I'm pointing out?Brah, the risk is minimal at 61°,the reason it's defined as it's a clear indication of culpability for a company that serves it at 61°. It's unlikely to cause issues, but if it does it demonstrates negligence.
>>532179546I think you're just being disingenuous now.>>532179563
>>532179563Now you're just contradicting yourself. You literally responded earlier with this:>So if the coffee is served at 61 °C, is that "unsafe>Yes. That can cause 3rd degree burns.While at the same time making out like 60 °C is perfectly fine.
>>532170329(((Liebeck))) should be all you need to know.>>532179277American hot water heaters are held at 140F (60C) to stop Legionella.Environmental fags want you to get sick at 50C.60-70C is recommended for Legionella prevention, 60C is the sweet spot, not an upper bound.Caffeine extraction requires >90C (preferably 100C) so the coffee needs to be that hot at some point.
>>532179699>Now you're just contradicting yourselfI didn't, I said they both can. The fuck you on about?
>>532179706>Caffeine extraction requires >90C (preferably 100C)Which is why you brew it and warm to serve....
>>532179761Don't play dumb. You said:>60° can with a long period of exposure. Which due to it cooling rapidly is of fairly minimal risk.You were basically making out like it was SO much cooler than 61 °C and have "minimal risk".
>>532179799A mom and pop shop will serve right away after brew. So-called "piping hot" coffee.It does not need to cool down before serving. One cup will cool substantially just during pour, even from fresh brew.
>>532179935>is of fairly minimal risk.Jesus Christ you retard.
>>532179962>A mom and pop shop will serve right away after brewThen they are legally liable if they cause injury....
>>532168804135F if you make a latte yourself that can be drunk off the line instead burning your tongue waiting for it to cool off
>>532177925>here on 4channel.org we tilt our lances for mickey Dee'sStop being such an identityless fat fuck.
>>532180046Only if you are Jewish and have the most Jewish lawyers.Again, (((Liebeck))) and the thread should've ended there.McDonalds clearly tuned their hot plate to match consumer preferences, and we all get cold coffee now thanks to one Jew.
>>532179706people who brew coffee avoid 212F, closer to 190F because higher temps can ruin flavor profile and make it bitter.
>>532180173>and we all get cold coffee now thanks to one Jew.They still serve it at 180°F....
>>532180021No, you. It's not "fairly minimal risk" and they both cause 3rd degree burns at roughly the same time. This isn't complicated. You were making out like with the court case that 60 °C is perfectly fine, and I merely point out the absurdity of it all by simply adding 1 °C. How about if we make it 0.5 °C? Is that unsafe? Understand now?
>>532180280>and they both cause 3rd degree burns at roughly the same timeAhh no? 60° causes burns in about 1 second. 61° can cause burns at 0.6 seconds.
>>532175268Yeah my dad used to be like that, he would eat soup and tea so scalding hot he would be done with it before I could even touch mine. One day he finished off his soup and took a sip of iced tea he was drinking and one of his teeth exploded
>>532180280>>532180313https://drzaydon.com/scald-burns-how-temperature-and-exposure-time-impact-burn-severity/
>>532180188Caffeine is bitter, yes.No, you won't "burn" coffee.Every 10C reduction doubles the extraction time. You almost certainly want >95C for drip or pourover.French Press or Aeropress could go lower.
>>532180173True! Well, I don't drink coffee though, so doesn't really affect me...
>>532171497>25 cent cost to refillThey serve 500 million cups of coffee a year in America alone.
>>532180313>>532180360You do realise you're proving my point you know? You argue like a JEW.
>>532180441>You do realise you're proving my point you knowOnly a retard can't see how a 40% difference in burn time isn't an issue in determining whether someone gets injured.
>>532168169Anyone siding against McDonald's is a retarded reddit midwit faggot who read some random "TIL I'm a dumb faggot" thread telling them to believe "well ackshually the coffee was too hot". Tell me, what temperature is coffee brewed at?
>>532180484Seriously? It's a difference of 0.4 seconds. It will still cause 3rd degree burns you JEW!
>>532168169they all did it. I remember being handed a weakly brewed scalding coffee bean water that caused the styrene monomers to offgas from the cup.
>>532166804it uh literally melted her meat flaps anon.
>>532180507>Tell me, what temperature is coffee brewed at?At more than it's served at... Like all consumables.
>>532170189idiot reddit nigger. Coffee is SUPPOSED TO BE HOT. It is brewed at 195F+. Fresh coffee = Hot coffee. Don't be a dumb cunt and keep scalding hot liquid in a flimsy cup between your legs next to your genitals. If you can't handle that then don't buy the coffee. McDonald's did nothing wrong.
>>532180553>It will still cause 3rd degree burns youNo you retard, it cools fast enough at 60° that the risk is minimal. At 61° it'll usually burn you before that.
>>532171632>why should anyone assume you needed to take precautions with coffee? do you routinely drink coffee so hot it instantly fuses flaps of your skin together?Yeah when I go to McDonald's kek. They still make their coffee nutty hot to this day. The McDs I occasionally stop at is almost a half hour from where I work and that shit is just barely cool enough to drink by the time I get there.
>>532180636>McDonald's did nothing wrong.Refer to the case law on the subject.
>>532180666>refer to the talmudwtf Palestinian goys are all dogs that need to be slaughtered, NZ needs to help Trump open the Hormuz!
>>532180592Are you going to sue DiGiorno because their frozen pizza comes out of the oven at 375F therefore you think its their fault if you rub a fresh-out-the-oven pizza on your genitals and get burned?
>>532180641Are you really going to be this petty? It will still cause 3rd degree burns which is the point if you are being seriously burned by something. A .4 second difference doesn't make much of a difference if you're covered in something hot.
>>532168804The funny thing is anyone who actually drinks coffee knows 190 is well below the acceptable temperature range. I'm all for fucking over jewish corporations, but not if it means they are forced into making their shitty products even worse.
>>532166804Jewish kike shill thread defending McDonald's in a well known case of corporate character assassination
>>532168169>and the jury issued a punitive fine to ensure that McDonald's executives realized that they'd better stop injuring people or else they were going to end up bankrupt.BASED
>>532168169Wasn't the old bird trying to hold it between her legs to put the cream in it while in the car or something though? Just saying, personally I try to keep all scalding liquids out of the danger zone as much as possible
>>532180666No thanks satan I don't care about (((case law))) decided by kike lawyers and kike judges in a zog'd country
>>532180762>Are you going to sue DiGiorno because their frozen pizza comes out of the oven at 375FDiGirno isn't an eatery
>>532180794>It will still cause 3rd degree burns which is the point if you are being seriously burned by something.....>>532180641
>>532168169OP rolled over and spread his cheeks with this thread.
>>532180824No one is talking about brewing temp. This is an issue with holding/serving temp
>>532168169>>532169098>>532180061You're only saying this because its some big corporation serving the coffee, you don't really believe it was immoral.If you visited your friends house and they made you a cup of coffee and you spilled it and burned yourself you wouldn't sue your friend. Same applies if you visited a small mom and pop style cafe. In those instances the entire thread would be saying the person suing was a retard. The principle should be the same in both situations.>>532180592Answer the above point ^>>532180507This
>>532180985>If you visited your friends house and they made you a cup of coffee and you spilled it and burned yourself you wouldn't sue your friendI would if he served me coffee hot enough to injure me.
>>532166804it fused her vagina shut by the way. No coffee should be that hot when it goes into the customers hands
>>532180824>brewing tempHOLY FUCKING NIGTARD
>>532180898How does that matter? Why should eatery's have a legal responsibility to make sure their customers don't do stupid shit with their product? If I open a business out of my garage where I sell DiGionos pizzas straight out the oven, I should be responsible if someone decides he wants to rub a fresh slice all over his testicles?
>>532181056>Why should eatery's have a legal responsibility to make sure their customers don't do stupid shit with their product?Because they're an eatery serving consumable food and beverage you retard.
>>532180824brewing temp is not the same as drinking temp retard
>>532180914Yeah, and 60 °C can still cause 3rd degree burns with a difference of .4 seconds using your own numbers. That was the point.
>>532181032Indeed, Stella Liebeck was a Holocaust survivor and was reminded of the horrors of Auschwitz where they cauterized vaginas.
>>532168169יהוה ארר יהוה
>>532181162>with a difference of .4 seconds using your own numbersWhich given how fast liquid loses heat means the injury is unlikely at 60° and probable at 61° you utter retard.
>>532168169Not only that, they also calculated that any potential lawsuit would cost less in the end then money lost trough refills or thrown away cold coffee.Gotta give it to the media how hard they spinned this shit to protected the overlords that some people still don't know what the lawsuit really was about.
>>532181111Answer my question. Should I be responsible if a pizza fetishist buys a DiGiorno pizza from me out of my garage and burns himself when he rubs it on his genitals. I would be an eatery serving consumable food, would I not? And the product I am serving, just like McDonalds, is by it's very nature, HOT and DANGEROUS if mishandled.
>>532178820You don't eat knives.
>>532166804>be boomerShe was born like 30 years too early to be a boomer>go to mcdonalds>buy hot coffee>pour hot coffee on yourselfCheap cups the lid came off>coffee ends up being hot20F hotter than it reasonably should have been>sue mcdonalds for millions of dollarsshe had 3rd degree burns all over her thighs, her labia was fused together after it melted. She originally only asked for them to pay her medical bills.
>>532181305>Should I be responsible if a pizza fetishist buys a DiGiorno pizzaI did you retard. They are not as they're not an eatery.
>>532181056You could rub a slice of pizza on you body fresh out of the oven and it would not cause 3rd degree burns.
>>532181233That's what you claim. I'm no thermodynamicist, but it is a FACT that 60 °C can cause third degree burns which again was my point.
>>532181318How can something be hotter than it should "reasonably" be when when it's literally made with near-boiling water. A REASONABLE person would expect a product of near boiling temperature water to also be near boiling temperature if freshly served. Unless she was served a cup of pressurized steam, she got what she paid for.
>>532181404>That's what you claimBrah.... That's the logic they used in the court case against McDonald's.....
>>532181410>A REASONABLE person would expect a product of near boiling temperature water to also be near boiling temperature if freshly servedNo. They lost the lawsuit and everything. They're not even the only fastfood coffee place to lose over that matter.
>>532181392It definitely would you absolute retard nigger.
>>532166804This case changed the landscape of tort law. You are an ignorant pleb.
>>532181458And it's completely faulty logic. Both can cause 3rd degree burns. Again, I put the same kind of point to you as before. If the temperature was 60.5 °C , is that "unsafe"? How about 60.1 °C? Do you understand the absurdity of all this yet?
>>532181521you aren't even addressing my points you are just arguing by saying NUH UH THE JEWDICIAL EXPERTS DECIDED OTHERWISE. Fucking total midwit that worships authority. Guarantee you are vaxxmaxxed.
>>532181410that's just like your retarded opinion. It's very reasonable to let the coffee cool slightly so the person doesn't burn themselves. Its also very reasonable to not brew coffee that hot in the first place because it tastes like shit. Most people do not brew coffee with boiling water.
>>532181410Nah, kill yourself you fucking whore
>>532181596Yes it changed it, by adding shitloads more bureaucratic friction to every person or company trying to operate a business. Beneficial for jews who run the legal system and bureaucracy, at the detriment of everyone else.
>>532181667I accept your concession
>>532181599We've been over this...>>532179563
>>532181619>Rabbi Burnstein ruled in favor of Liebeck goy!
>>532181619>NUH UH THE JEWDICIAL EXPERTS DECIDED OTHERWISE.Jury trial, everytime, multiple jurisdictions.
>>532181737"It demonstrates negligence" because it's one degree over. How do you not see how absurd you sound?
>>532181784>Jewry trial, Rabbi not involved goy
>>532168169Late to the thread but I have to say this is patently false. If you would prefer to contact us, please contact me at dave.weisman@usd.mc.com
>>532181847>because it's one degree over.Yes that is a clear demonstration of negligence. If you want to avoid it don't serve beverages at the upper limit of safe temperatures.
>>532179962>It does not need to cool down before serving.How much fucking scar tissue do you have covering the flesh in your mouth? If the coffee is hot enough to give you third degree burns, it is way too hot to drink. Unless you dump a fuckton of cold cream or milk into it to cool it down, you're going to have to wait a few minutes before you can even take a sip.
>>532182031Uh huh, okay. Better watch out any coffee makers out there, this guy might sue you if it's 1 degree too hot!
>>532182061to avoid scalding by scalding hot coffee, do not drink the scalding hot coffee and handle with care the scalding hot coffee.If you can not resist drinking the scalding hot coffee nor handle with care the scalding hot coffee, do not purchase the scalding hot coffee.the world is a scary place, I know
>>532168778Granny's pussy never felt quite the same -to me- after this.
>>532182215Or it could just be illegal to sell any beverage at a temperature so high that they will cause 3rd degree burns within 3 seconds of skin contact. Just let the coffee cool down by 20 degrees farenheit before selling it to customers. Then nobody gets maimed, AND the customers can actually drink the coffee sooner instead of waiting 10 minutes for it to cool off.
Burned the fuck out of her. She deserved the money. Fuck you McDonald's
>>532168169there are a billion different things to criticize corporations for but this isn't one of them lmaoLiterally just wait for the coffee to cool the fuck down before you start chugging it and/or pouring it on your genitals
>>532182234Macron? That you?
>>532182407More begging the question. WHY should it be illegal, you dumbshit redditor. Wet concrete is caustic, should it also be illegal to sell?
>>532182559>but this isn't one of themServing unsafe products is a valid criticism.
>>532182888Can I sue a hot-plate restaurant for having "dangerously hot" iron plates which food is served on? Oh no if I jam my dick and balls onto it it could cause LE SERIOUS INJURY O ALGO
>>532182888Lots of shit in life is "unsafe" you faggot. That's part of life. Learn some responsibility instead of expecting (((daddy govenrment))) to save you from yourself.
I should have known about the concrete example, lmaohttps://www.barrsternberg.com/2016/07/15/450000-settlement-for-man-burned-by-wet-cement/>Sternberg You can't make this shit up. Redditors want the entire world to serve jewry and they are so fucking stupid they actually think they are being rebellious and anti-corporate in the process. Fucking pfizermaxxed niggercattle.
>>532182993>instead of expecting (((daddy govenrment))) to save you from yourself.Brother, it was settled in civil court.
>>532182978>Can I sue a hot-plate restaurant for having "dangerously hot" iron plates which food is served on?https://mccreadylaw.com/blog/help-i-got-burned-by-a-hot-plate-at-a-restaurant-your-legal-options/Yes.
>>532183126maybe I should sue you for making dangerously retarded posts on 4chan
>>532183160Can you demonstrate damages?
>>532166804She was part of the silent generation. This happened in the early 90s
>>532170846>this is just another example of people not taking responsibility for themselves and blaming others when things go wrong because of their own actions.pretty much exactly what is going wrong with Western society due to the feminization.instead of just fixing their own fuck ups, everyone cries for big daddy government to come in and make some new rules so that next time, they won't piss against the electric fence
>>532183350>and make some new rulesMcDonald's wasn't following the existing laws at the time...
>>532182502But the megacorporation will be scared to permanently disfigure other people if you make them liable for doing so :(
>>532183195it has caused me psychological harm. my lawyer Mr. Schlomo Steinberg will send you a letter shortly
>>532183126you support this? It amazes me you don't seem to understand this type of bullshit increases the friction of doing business. To manage that artificial friction there is a massive parasitic bureaucracy, the nonproductive managerial class, who manage that very friction because that friction is their lifeblood. Every Compliance Officer, DEI Director, Learning and Development Manager, etc grifter is part of this system, all the useless jews and box-checking cunts who make six figures to sit in teams meetings all day are the beneficiaries of this system, causing inflationary pressure with their undeserved salaries that must be printed from thin air, and idiot niggers like you thank them for their service and think you are getting back at the Corporate system when you are really just the type of fucking NPC that enables it.
>>532166804>Use lawnmower to trim the top of hedges>Cut toes off>Sue>Win"Warning" labels are for retards and scammers.Find a hairdryer... Read the part where it says>Do not use while sleeping Realize we are protecting the lowest common denominator and dooming humanity. Just to save a buck.
>>532183540>it has caused me psychological harmCool, now you'll have to prove my statements are egregious or false.
>>532183584>you support this?If you cause injury, no shit you'll get sued. If you made reasonable precautions you'll win.
>>532168406>jewish groin attack trope being applied to roasties irl by GOD ThemselvesKek. she's even more of a roast than usual
>>532183589Those stickers aren't for protecting retards from themselves, they are for protecting the jobs of grifting bureaucrats. Many "people" had to "navigate liability concerns", design that sticker, and make it policy to get it affixed to every lawnmower that is sold and those people don't work for free. They are highly credentialed and protect their own circle through regulatory capture. It's literal soviet collapse tier shit. The people actually building the lawnmowers get paid pennies on the dollar compared to the managerial parasites deciding which stickers go on it. Then you get morons thinking "hurrr durrr I knew a guy named Jimmy who lost his toes to a lawnmower, we need more sticker regulations so it doesn't happen anymore cuz fuck the corporations". When it's not just mega corporations affected by this bullshit and is why self employment and small businesses struggle so hard to compete. I can assure you, John Deere doesn't mind the stickers, they can afford to manage the parasitic friction, but a small company that wants to enter the lawnmower game can not.
>>532168778poon id get
>>532166804>Liebeckevery time
>>5321668041) She had third degree burns. Her labia became fused to her thigh.2) She sued only for her hospital bills, not millions.
>>532166804Yep. McDonald's tried to fight it in court using common sense and it turns out: jury's are full of the most braindead NPCs who decided "pay her 3 million dollars because you didn't warn that the hot coffee was hot!".I fucking swear; if I ever get prosecuted for a crime I didn't commit, I'm getting a bench trial so a committee of retards can't ruin my life.
>>532184483>I'm getting a bench trial so a committee of retards can't ruin my life.The judge was the one who ordered the high damages amount. Because McDonald's was clearly in the wrong.
>>532168169>in order to stop people from drinking it and then getting free refillsis there a time limit on the refills? they just have to let it cool down first... and then get a refill...wtf how does america work again? why does this answer even make sense to anyone
>>532166804>3rd degree burnsshould have been 209 million
>>532184624>is there a time limit on the refills?No, but the human factor of waiting 10 minutes between drinks dissuades them.
>>532166804one time I was drinking tea naked and I spilled it on me. oof. that shit is no joke. I was fine, I ran to the shower and quickly blasted it all with cold water but yeah.
>>532184382Absolute skill issue.If you can't handle a cup of hot coffee without sustaining critical bodily injury; you belong in a nursing home with people who spoon feed you soup.
>>532166804>Stella Liebeck100% a kike
>>532166804The thing is normally I'd agree. But hot coffee should be at the hottest 150 degrees American. She was served 190 degrees. That's a big enough jump to where it will burn skin really bad. You spill like 140 degree coffee in your lap it will just fuck up your day, make a little redness of skin but you'll be ok. 190 degrees is ridiculous
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>>532185026https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR0fcy5HrV0
>>532168169This.>>532168406Also this.
>>532168169>>532168169>>532168169>>532168169>>532168169
McDonald's did nothing wrong. McDonald's is based and you should go get breakfast there, right now.
>>532184692>Liebeck>LIEcase closed
>>532168169>Literally the same shit happened recently with CNN turning Joe Rogan bright yellow during covid and calling you an idiot for questioning>People don't have the thought to look back at the other examples of Media/Corporation relentlessly attacking someone and the real reason why that wasCan't teach an old dog new tricks apparently
Why is this thread full of people simping for some brown jewish lying boomer? What the fuck wrong wit yall
>>532173788as someone who drinks coffee, no, hot coffee is goodyou and the lady who sued are the jews
>>532180880Then shut the fuck up you stupid ape
>>532182407ah yes we cant do things the way humans have done them literally forever because in the 21st century a stupid person might hurt themselves go use MAID you fuckin britbong commonwealth communist
