https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/02/world/middleeast/iran-oman-hormuz-control.html?smid=bs-share
SO LET ME GET THIS STRAITTHE ONLY DEAL IS MY OWN
I DO WHATEVER I WANT AND STAY A LOAN
>>532225768Nice....and already can hear than someone in White House biting table's foot.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT
>>532225768
OR DIE!
>>532225768Oman or Saudi Arabia could just as easily do the same thing.
>>532225768>that's illegalSovereign is he who decides on the exception.
>>532225768I think the US should start bombing ships that go through the strait. Then what is Iran gonna do?
>>532225890>>532225920>>532225961Good good...keep saving every word what that drooling madman saying.
>>532225890>>532225920>>532225961>>532225994dudes wigged the fuck out, he knows this shit went south and Israel is gonna bleed out weapon systems dry, meanwhile Iran is making shit cheap and faster than we can and Trump has no idea what is going on
>>532225768No shit. Everyone said this would happen. Good work making Iran filthy rich, Zognald.
>>532225998Saudi have American weapons unfortunately. As we've seen, none of them work. USAF had to shoot down missiles heading for them, their pilots had religious duties to attend to instead, goats to masturbate, bones to saw, checks to write to Jared Kushner.But its Europe's fault for some reason probably.
>>532226049>the US should make energy even more expensive I can totally see this administration being retarded enough to do this.
>>532226276I'm sure they could buy drones from the jews in Ukraine. Call Iran's bluff, charge for tankers to go through as well.
Honestly them getting some concessions is the only way out, this seems like a good concession. It could be much worse.
>>532226238>He serves Zog but makes the enemies of Zog rich The levels of histrionic mental gymnastics necessary to believe both those things simultaneously leads me to believe you are a bot or a woman. So post tits
>>532226388How does that make oil less expensive, you retard?
>>532225768these are great for news>alsoUSA could care less we get 2.5% oil thru therepajeets are toast tho they get 70%
>>532226490There's no contradiction, retard. Trump is a retard and accidentally put Iran in a better position.
>>532225768Based, fuck America, the world should unite to destroy it
>>532226513It doesn't. But it does keep China's buddies from getting it at a discount.
>>532225768Congratulations Iran, now declare sovereignty over Occupied Palestine!
Do the retards think Iran never would have held the strait hostage, on their terms, at some point in the future? They've threatened to do it so many times. I think the decade of TDS being injected into the feeble brains of the retards by the lugenpresse has given them permanent brain damage.As soon as someone starts seething about BLORMPF! I treat them like they're a drug-addled hobo on the street babbling about mice with microphones recording everything he says. There's no discourse with those retards, they're all first order thinkers with a one track mind.
>>532226588Yeah, that's great and all, but oil is a global commodity and the price will go up because of decreased supply. Then there's fertiliser, helium etc.
>>532225768I guess I Iran can just do what ever the fuck it whats because America is bad guys amirite?I a picture of Cummei on my wall next to my Chinese flag and I pray to dear leader every night, I fucking hate America, it's literally better being in North Korea or Africa guys because at least they get free healthcare and food, Americans literally just eat snow and drugs
>>532226690They never did it until you forced their hand. Don't try to pin the blame on them.
>>532226690Maybe we wouldn't have ever had this problem at all if we didn't help the kikes steal israel.We could have just been buying the oil instead of going $39T into debt for jewish wars.
>>532225890i dont get it, why would they join if you won? this is why everyone laughs at the maga cult, they can't even explain this retardation so they pretend to not see it
Str8 of hummus is overrated anyways
>>532225768Based Iran keeping checks on the Zionist menace
>>532226330We should. It is worth it. If Iran is only going to let through the ships of their allies, while bombing the ships of our allies, why should we not bomb the ships of their allies?
>>532226693best of luck we all know where europe is going next
>>532226049>>532227151What would you gain out of that? I don't get the mindset of people who support middle east wars. They're only fought to make the people you already hate (who certainly hate you) even more rich and powerful.
>>532227314Idk, just sounds fun.
>>532227314He’s jewish and is one of those people. Or a boomer, also one of those people
>>532225890If it's such a simple military maneuver then why isn't the US navy opening the strait? Why hasn't he sent a carrier group into the strait? No other military has the capability to defend against a hypersonic missile
>>532225768It wouldn’t be too difficult to simply annex the area around the strait. The whole world would call it illegal yet it absolutely could be done.
>>532225768kek mutts btfo
>>532227314Going back to a negative peace with Iran isn't possible now that the US and Israel killed most of it's leadership and destroyed most of their military capabilities. The US needs boots on the ground to topple the Iranian regime.
>>532225998It’s literally a bay on their coast
>>532227535lol hypersonic missileyou also believe that slut you like is a virgin saving herself for marriage
this is a genuine geopolitical dilemma and everyone’s too busy (justifiably) asking america what the fuck they’re doing to ask iran what the fuck they think they’re doing taking a primary global shipping route hostage
>>532227351Then go enlist, retard. Go put your meat where your mouth is, the drones are getting hungry.
>>532226690you and israel started this mess don't shift the responsibility onto any other country this is on you and the jew, stupid american cunt
>>532227694Yes, yes it is. International treaties on straits go back centuries. I know international law is big gay but what Iran is doing is literally just piracy. If they had started doing it before Israel told their puppet the United States to bomb Iran, it would be fully within centuries of legal precedent to destroy Iran.
>>532227794>stupid american cuntthe only intelligent americans are jewish
>>532227677Why? Just leave. Did you think iran can invade the US? They just want to fuck up US bases and allies in the middle east so they can have run of the desert shithole full of savages
>>532227859Big if
>>532227938Well yeah that egg has been cracked.
>>532227863that is truefucking golems
>>532227904Iran is permanently hostile to the US and it's neighbors now with no chance for peace. They're still lobbing missiles at GCC countries and Israel and they won't stop for the forseeable future. The only option left is to topple the Iranian regime with boots on the ground and a bombing campaign to ensure that the strait never get's threatened again
on behalf of the almighty, the creator of all universes aka god aka allah but not limited to 3rd party cucks aka jesus & ganesha, i recognise irans claim & declare it to be LAW. Any whosoever disobey my law shall be struck down by fire. screen cap this my niggers
>>532225768Literally nobody, except Iran cares. They only care about when Iran won't control the straight
>>532225961 eu is more scared than u.s it seemsthey dont want beef with iran
>>532227783No enlisting is for the goyim.
>>532225768>you can't do this that's illega-
>>532225994Persia is a whole different ballgame. They're scared for their souls..
>>532228109What do you personally win if the US bombs iran to the stone age and gets to stay in control of the middle east? It'll only lead to persian terrorism worldwide and they'll just take more of your rights away under the guise of security. If you were you conscious at all in the early 00s you'd know why none of this is in your best interest.
>>532227314Fucking kek you gay niggerHow new are you? Try not to climb up on your high horse faggot, bantz aren’t going to make anything worse and you aren’t going to solve anything by typing
>>532228355>What do you personally win if the US bombs iran to the stone age and gets to stay in control of the middle east?Cheaper gas, not having to hear about "Iran is building nukes!' ever year on the news, more global security, less Persian whining about how everything is the CIA's fault despite the Shah bringing the most socially progressive era in Irans history. There's no real downside and most people agree that it needs to be done. Why not now?
>>532227467>>532227677What the fuck is wrong with you zoom zoom trash? If you’re new and upset here’s something you can do, lurk for 2 years faggotBantz aren’t going to hurt you or anyone and anyone who tosses them about doesn’t automatically make them a shillYou’re all such a massive disappointment I’d rather have more boomers
OPEN THE POOL FOR EUROS AND AUSSIES
Fucking American and jewish incompetents. Give me command of US and Israeli forces and I will clean Iran up in no less than two weeks, strategy included. I'd be only too happy to demonstrate to whiny moralfags on this board what a real genocide looks like.
>>532228401>N-wordID filtered. Not interested in talking to racist POSs. >>532228521>Cheaper gas, not having to hear about "Iran is building nukes!' ever year on the news, more global security, less Persian whiningLiterally the opposite of all of those would happen.
>>532226690Curiously most countries besides the USA and Israel aren't in the habit of blatantly violating all international norms and laws.Europe might get close and act like giant hypocrites occasionally, but they tend to not pass the threshold to terror states like the United States of Israel does.Likewise there are other countries who occasionally commit a minor offense, but not so universally, constantly, massively or unprovoked.As such, with Iran having shown itself to be a reasonable actor on the international stage, there's reasons to doubt they would engage in irrational criminal behavior.
I think being president has gone to his head
>>532225994>>532225961>>532225920>>532225890I don't even know which "Truths" are fake or real anymore because the real ones sound just as insane as the fake ones.
>>532226049>I think the US should start bombing ships that go through the strait. Then what is Iran gonna do?Good strategy, like when someone wants to fight you, so you start punching yourself in the face and shouting, "I'm gay!" Get the upper hand by confusing them.
>>532225768RIP iran
>>532228623>Literally the opposite of all of those would happen.How so? Gas would get cheaper without Iran funding militant groups and threatening the straight of Hormuz. With a democratic and reasonable government, we won't have to fear them building a nuclear program. Fucking bomb the shit out them already
>>532228618>I'd be only too happy to demonstrate to whiny moralfags on this board what a real genocide looks like.this is the nippon we want.
>>532225920Maybe shadow presidents aren't so bad. I now have to consider how much worse things could have been without Cheney whispering in Dubya's ear.
>>532225768Take out their energy and utility infrastructure. Stone Age.
>>532225920Why is America in "a time of need"? Didn't they win the war already?
>>532227698this kike is mad
>>532228759Gas was cheaper before the US let Israel drag itself into a war of aggression against Iran.
>>532225768Iran and Yemen are incapable of existing on a planet with international waters - they need a one-way ticket to the sun, or to be eradicated in another swift way.
>>532225768can we do the same?
>>532225768ALLAHU AKBAR
>>532226049the US should start bombing girl's schools in israel and blame it on the iranians, really make the fire rise.
>>532228848That’s what they’re doing next from what I heard
>>532228886What's done is done. There's no avoiding regime changing Iran now. You can't kill their current leaders father and most of his family and expect peace.
>>532228848>Take out their energy and utility infrastructureThey do the same to not only Israel but the gulf states as well. They would probably launch a sustained cyber attack campaign against US energy and utility infrastructure on top of that.
>>532226690The difference is that if they had done so without blatant provocation, there would be a coalition of the world's nations humming "Sixty-Six Days in Tehran" right now. The US starting the fight only incredibly flimsy grounds and wothout even consulting them is why nobody wants to help.
Europe is getting for less oil from the middle east than americans suggest. Its east asia who is royally fucked. They get 75% of their oil from there.
>>532225768It doesn't matter what Iran says because USA is probably going to destroy or jam the radars and make Iran control not feasible
>>532228848Its the end of Islamic revolutionary in iran they already lost their biggest most important bridge. Now iran cant even transport goods in their own country its over
>>532228980The US will experience regime change before Iran due to this war.
>>532228623get the fuck out of my country, nigger
>>532225961Not a fan of this warmonger but he's right. Europe is going to pay for not doing anything and even going against USA. Portugal coincidentally did help with Lages base but we don't count for much. Europe has too much TDS.
>>532228732It sort of is. There's a reason treaties on navigation through straits with different nations on either side are some of the first international law. Both sides can sink ships, both want to claim a toll or whatever, neither get anything, reasonable parties sit down and draw out an agreement. Just submitting and letting the other side assert their sovereignty isn't really a good option.
>>532227698Hypersonic as defined by thirdies is "a missile that at any point during flight broke the sound barrier". Literally all modern missiles do this and it's not particularly impressive for a country with internet access and a manufacturing base.The US defines hypersonics as missiles that break the sound barrier and never stop breaking it even as they impact the target, something that is incredibly fucking difficult to do and maintain a semblance of accuracy.For some reason people keep forgetting this and thinking anyone involved is discussing the same missiles.
>>532228949It's Fus Roh Dahhttps://youtu.be/L4KYUmgmQPw
>>532229254Europe could do the smart thing and drag Russia away from China and toss the jew running Ukraine to the wolves. No one seems to cross any jews though so that's unlikely. If a jew is running a country they get what they want. Their filthy mafia has everyone scared. Time to root it out and when they start shooting, shoot back.
>>532226642juicy
Trump and America played an absolute blinder with the Iran play.Fuck things up just enough to ruffle some feathers.Leave.Watch to see how geo politics play out when you say not my problem we have oil at home.Can the world unite against a common foe?The US for naively believing Iran are the bad guysOr Iran for threatening everyone because the teacher told them off (wrongly)
>>532228701The election did way more for his ego than being president ever did. He made Biden drop out, got shot, and then won every swing state and the popular vote. You can't even blame him for having a big head at this point. If he hadn't betrayed his supporters in every way, he'd probably be getting his face carved onto a mountain right now.
>>532229377I disagree. Not a good time for that. There was a time when such a thing made sense, when Russia wasn't really doing much against the west, but now that they attacked several neighbors they've shown they're not trustworthy.What Europe should have done is confirm their commitment to NATO and USA but instead they're only making enemies. It's not even just USA, European citizens are fed up with EU itself even if they don't want to admit.
>>532229289That's a little oversimplified. A ballistic missile payload can hit very accurately going hypersonic, it's complicated to make it do anything else though. Air breathing hypersonics are apparently fielded by Russia though.
>>532229289So why doesnt the usa open the straight then? The worlds most powerful navy is already in position. Is it scared of cheap drones ?
>>532229681NATO wasn't trustworthy crawling up their ass and plotting to break up the country. It's that or you settle with China and Russia together and you have a serious problem down the road. Frankly it's looking more and more like we're just watching factions of jews fight amongst each other.
>>532228811>Maybe shadow presidents aren't so bad.You already have one, it's Jared Kushner.
>>532227535Israel made hypersonic missiles look stupid with their their quasi-ballistic missiles. It's cheaper and you can't really intercept.
>>532229812One of the promises of his admin was no more Kushner. It was bad news the second that little creep got back in. Until Trump removes the jews from his circle he's going to suffer and it's going to get worse.
>>532225961>>532225890nigga took a shit then asked everyone else to clean it up
>>532228759Shalom
>>532229789Portugal in particular doesn't have that problem because we favor more USA than EU because of geography. However you're right that EU fucked up and must start thinking of who their want to align with. USA is not tolerating EU shanenigans anymore.
>>532230056One REALLY smart idea would be to end all restrictions on energy exploration and production. Cut all the green shit immediately.
>>532228732It's more like>you're a gang of career criminals in plate armor trying to rob a guy at gunpoint for the third time>the guy starts using random people as human shields and haplessly stabs at your gang of robbers>so you start shooting every other person in sight to leave him defenseless, asking him why he murders these innocent people>all while progressively executing him, shooting his toes and fingers off, then into his hands and feet, ankles and wrists, until he offers to comply with your demands>instead you proceed to commit sexual assault on his mutilated form while taking pot shots at passerbys and demand he begins tap-dancing for you>then continue to shoot his calves and lower arms, knees and elbows, thighs and upper arms as he pleads and the gang rape progresses>finally cutting his ears, nose and dick off and ripping out his tongue screaming why he keeps resisting and assaulting you, a champion of justiceDefinitely fits Trump's modus operandi so far.
>>532229774I was telling a retard to stop denying they have "hypersonics" when they do. Just their definition of them.>>532229699It is certainly possible, but it requires a level of manufacturing and design expertise anything nations but the US and China cannot feasibly field in huge numbers. The US had missiles to the specs Iran brags about in the 70s.
Well done Americans, you walked head first into a stupid war led by Israel and now you turned an international waterway responsible of 20% global energy imports into the sovereign waters of a rival power. Literally Suez 2.0. The American empire is done. There is no reliability American allies have, there is no such thing has global American protection of international waterways. You lost this war and you have lost your empire.
>>532229254The Strait of Hormuz was open for traffic a month ago. It's closed because the United States and Israel started bombing children
America won't be going anywhere until they control Hormuz. Bookmark it.
>>532230213Well they obviously have chink help on guidance. Strapping a countermeasure pack to the back of the warhead isn't difficult either.
>>532225920I'm not reading that shit niggaTrump is becoming the left can't meme meme
>>532225768>Hassle-free passage for a nominal fee. Use code 'MIGA' for 10% off
>>532225890>>532225920>>532225961>>532225994Damn, i miss Dementia Joe now thanks to this retard orange nigger kikelover, at least he was funny and not a maniac.
>>532229254>Europe is going to payHell yeah we are going to pay.In yuan to the fucking iranians because of the USA being fucking retards.The war would have been retarded either way, but if they had a plan maybe someone would have actually helped them.
>>532225994PAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A FAGGOT
>>532229477Iran isn't threatening everyone though.Plenty of ships are going through.Just so long as they pay in the Yuan.Everyone is forgetting that Iran is a BRICS member now. They joined in 2024.This is ABSOLUTELY a BRICS ploy, handed to them by Trump being a stupid fucking nigger.That is why China and Russia are doing what they can to aid them. Because out of nowhere Trump decided to put a gun to the petro-dollar's head and pull the trigger.With how quickly Iran closed the strait, it's a safe assumption that the plan to enact a petro-yuan was ALWAYS based on closing Hormuz for a yuan-toll.It's just that China and Russia never expected this shit to be served to them on a silver platter.Having Iran close the strait without reason would have been disastrous at any other time. But Trump gave them the carte blanche needed to do this shit in such a way that instead of Iran being summarily destroyed as the aggressor, they're instead getting sanctions dropped and their toll demands met as they're a victim of American aggression. And this being done AFTER Trump shit on all his allies with petty insults, with tariffs, with the Greenland threats has ensured that BRICS will get their way because everyone, absolutely everyone, has been slapped in the face by the USA.And it's a real fucking toss-up on whether Trump did this shit because he's a megalomaniacal retard, which is backed up by him slapping his name on everything and smothering in gold like a tasteless nigger trying to be grandiose.Or he actually is at Putin's beck and call. (Putin as a proxy of Israel, and it's one last big wealth transfer before the USD is obliterated, but a treason court against him would never name the jew)I'm gonna safely say it's simply because he's a fuckwit, but it does give the democrats significant grounds to have him executed as a traitor.
>>532225768So glad America is winning!
>>532225768Dammit! Why won't they get serious already about begging Trump for a deal? He's been asking them to get serious for weeks!
>>532230237nigger, unless you are a turk you germans got creampied daily by trump and your pipes got circumciced, i mean, blown up by israel serving golem and you put a war against russia. Stupid euro cucks every single one of you. Gladly you are to be extinct the by next generation
>>532229954WrongHe punched the school bully.Then Changed schools.Now everyone else gets to suffer while he's fine
>>532225890>>532225920>>532225961>>532225994EU must be talking in secret with the Chinese to have a back up planthis will not end well
>>532225961>>532225994Nothing ever happens. Prophecy will not be fulfilled. Everyone involved is too retarded to make it happen. The current manifestation of Israel will not see past 80 years of age.
>>532229954Nigger took a shit in the pool
>>532230693>it's a safe assumption that the plan to enact a petro-yuan was ALWAYS based on closing Hormuz for a yuan-tollHow is that safe to assume?What is safe to assume is that BRICS did have this idea, since Iran has said a thousand times they'll close the strait if the USA attacks them, that this Yuan exploit could be a valid tactic to exploit that situation.Russia and China in general are not known for brash or hotheaded behavior. Especially where Russia is concerned the West will be made to pay the toll later, at the opportune time, when it causes maximal damage. They play a long game, not an instant gratification one.
>>532225768Trump is right about our navy being weak losers. We should be all over the Strait, maintaining order.
>>532230932>He punched the school bully.The only people Iran ever threatened were Israel and Stupisrael.Turns out that Iran could also belt the shit out of the little faggot hanger-ons of Qatar, Bahrain, the UAE and Saudi Arabia.But when you wanna hang out with the school nigger don't get mad when you're clipped in the drive-by.
>>532225768>the united states132 countries signed bahrain's resolutions30 countries joined the UK/France coalitionthe UN charter says the waterway must remain open and untolledthe fucking russians and chinese say the waterway must remain open and untollednew york times is setting up its readers to be blindsided by easily predictable events, sad thing is their readers prefer this to being informed
>>532225768Just destroy their shoreline and every port. Sovereign territory presumes ability to defend it.
>>532227677This nigger is already into the sunk-cost fallacy after a month lol. Plenty of us are old enough to remember Iraq. And hearing these same niggers say the same bullshit everyday is why I'm telling you the same thing now: go fuck yourself. And do it before Americans start dying in piles. Because then it becomes less of an issue of Trump's microdick and fragile ego, and more of an issue of righteous vengeance.
>>532225768WITH ENDLESS OPTIONS FOR RENEWAL
>>532231234>the UN charter says the waterway must remain openIn peacetime, but Trump started an illegal war of aggression, and now it's closed.
>>532231157>Russia and China in general are not known for brash or hotheaded behavior.Did you miss the fucking part where I said they never implemented it because it would have been a disaster?Cunt, maybe you faggots would have won your wars if you made plans for every circumstance instead of doing what Germany ALWAYS does which is "Pick the goal and then do everything you can to try and achieve that goal even when it becomes impossible, and trying to achieve it only destroys you faster."Hell, not just war. You did it with your energy grid.Deciding to achieve net zero and doing everything you could to achieve it which only resulted in you decommissioning your nuclear plants and shooting yourselves in the foot and the head.You can make a plan for a situation without trying to force that situation to happen so you can enact your plan.One day you schnitzelniggers might actually learn that.
this isn't looking good for my portfolio bros...
>>532226690You bombed Iran without provocation and then Iran did the thing they always said they would do if you bombed them. To the rest of the world, Iran looks like the more reasonable party.
>>532231461So you say it is safe to assume they had an idea that they immediately realized was really fucking stupid and consequently didn't act on?Doesn't seem so safe to assume to me, retard.
>>532229289no you retardhypersonic is at least 5x the speed of sound
>>532231426True, but Iran saying it will do so in peacetime violates every precedent of international maritime law. This isn't the Bosporus. They don't control both sides.
>>532225768If you make your enemies more powerful, you win
>>532229254>Europe is going to pay for not doing anythingPost documentation for Asia, Australia, the Americas and the Middle East doing anything.>Europe is going to pay for even going against USA.Post documentation for the 50 countries situated in Europe "going against USA".>>532229681>What Europe should have done is confirm their commitment to NATO and USANATO consists of some countries in Europe, North America and the Middle East - why on earth should countries outside NATO "confirm their commitment to NATO" instead of NATO members doing it??
Oman is my favorite gulf country and the real winner of Gulf War 3>dress like a tropical bird>scowl>get bombed lightly>...>be granted partial control over the strait of hormuzanother master of wu weisultan-sama I kneel
>>532225920>destroying every single ounce of goodwill other nations had in record timeDidn't have that on my bingo card.
>>532227677>destroyed most of their military capabilitiesIs that what they're preaching on Fox News now? Last time I looked it up, Iran had 5 million volunteers for homeland defense. Tendency rising.
>>532227859Iran never ratified any treaties.
>>532232009I've pulled out the israeli missile alerts to shush boomers
>>532229289>The US defines hypersonics as supersonicsThat explains so much.
>>532227859>kill negotiating delegation four times in two years>be shocked victim no longer views your words as binding
>>532225768cant wait till they nuke iran and coming here to see all the shitskins seethe
>>532230693Good retort desuDoes what your saying though boil down to would you rather the USA control the market or China?As retarded as the US maybe giving more power to china doesn't seem like the best move the world could make.
>>532231786Yes it's safe to assume they made a plan for the Hormuz that could have been enacted when BRICS was finally powerful enough that they would have been able to perform it.It would have been disastrous to perform now, but in thirty years, who knows.You said it yourself idiot, Russia and China play the long game. Are you suggesting that China and Russia have NEVER considered closing shipping lanes to ships paying in the dollar and not the yuan?Are you seriously suggesting that they never dreamed of controlling shipping?
>>532228849At least eight times, yes. Iran just doesn't understand that simple fact, because the matter is too complicated and political for non-Americans.
>>532232053Sure they've ratified treaties. Also that's not really the point. If they intend to do so in peacetime they're just pirates, and Oman and Saudi Arabia should exert the same authority, thus making the strait impassible while they ship the oil overland until Iran plays ball.
>>532230917Okay Shlomo. Seethe harder.
>>532232140Yeah the jews are filthy, no doubt.
>>532225768I didn't think it was possible, but I am now tired of winning.
>>532232401Saudi Arabia doesn't have territorial waters in the strait. Only Iran and Oman do. Iran is allegedly in talks with Oman over the strait situation.
>>532225890Imagine joining the war and having to work with that lunatic. Fuck that.
>>532232223China are a mercantile empire.They could EASILY be countered by simply offering better products at cheaper prices.But the USA has made it a point to, when dealing with Africa for example, do nothing but try and force cultural changes.Africa wants to build a road.China says "We'll build it, and we'll even employ your people to do it so they can learn how to build roads, and we'll supply your future roadbuilding materials."The USA says "You need to have a pride parade."Who do YOU think the Africans are going to choose to do business with?China is trying to make money. They build up nations in Africa to turn them into a customer-base with money to spend.The USA is trying to enact sweeping cultural changes to turn the entirety of humanity into neutered submissive castrates who rely wholly and completely on the government for everything, shaving off the edges of cultures that aren't profitable.Both want a population that obeys the government. The difference is China will punish children who do not honour their parents by lowering their social score.The USA allows teachers to help children transition in secret from their parents.Think of it like this; Europe stomped Islam down for a thousand years.The USA has pinned Europe's arms behind its back and forced millions upon millions of muslim migrants into Europe through consistent wars and through governmental control.And then they make fun of you for it.
>and another thread full of lowiqs who think this is about oil.If the US can't offer protection to the Gulf states and oil buyers, why should they conduct their business in USD instead of yuan, which can be directly exchanged for industrial products? If you don't get the situation under control, the USD will collapse, and with it, the American economy and the American military.
>>532232194>cant wait till they nuke iran and coming here to see all the shitskins seetheOh yes, please abandon your last remaining threat. If you use nukes and it doesn't change the situation, that would be too funny.
>>532233159the gulf are our best allies at this pointthey all flew to florida and signed billions in defense deals last weekthey're not dumb people who expect a defense umbrella to be flawless and they're not ingrates like you
>>532225994>it's so fucking easy, quick and simple>but we won't do it despite being the reason for it to be closedI wonder how he'd respond to the breakfast question.
>>532226698Go to hell migger, you're outnumbered. And brush up on your grasp of American English if you're going to be that hyperbolic
>>532232257Well, I agree entirely they had this contingency idea, but this largely stems from the fact Iran has been advertising closing the strait in case of war. It was known they would do this. They've been saying it for years, if memory serves, and naturally BRICS would think about how this could be used to their advantage once Iran joined.But I do not think they ever planned using the strait offensively, in peacetime, to disrupt international trade. It's not the sort of thing they tend to do.They might have used it as a threat in much the same way Iran did, sure, making some grandiose threats is fine, to play with the markets, but without actually closing it (without good reason).So in this respect the US attack definitely did them a favor. How big of a favor is hard to say, but while it's not to the direct disadvantage of the USA, with their energy security, it definitely is a threat to the petrodollar, now that it actually went down.Made the most of a bad situation.
>>532225768art of the deal
>>532233488I really hope this is true. It would be hilarious if the sheikhs wasted billions more before they finally acknowledged reality. I wonder how long they can maintain the gibs. The Gulf states are the world's largest welfare states, and the sheikhs are always just one step away from the gallows.
>>532226690>They've threatened to do it so many times.And yet never did despite having the capability for it. Maybe pissing them off showed them that there is nothing to lose anymore so why no just do it?What else can you do now besides nuking their cities which would as well seal the end of the world.
>>532227859Every time I warned other Americans of the dangers of doing war crimes, negotiating in bad faith, ignoring rules of engagement and the rules for war and diplomacy, having actual justifications for things etc, they didn't care. Well here's why, eventually other people will just do those things right back at us and nobody will care. The entire world can do horrific shit to us without conscious or fear or reprisal.>>532232401>If they intend to do so in peacetime they're just piratesHey remember when the U.S kidnapped the leader of a foreign country and then started boarding their oil tankers solely because we wanted their oil?Pepperridge Farms remembers.https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-oil-tanker-boarded-sanctions-pentagon-quarantine-682ddfc053bbd54ba3c477929c5b13f2
>>532233013If it was only this.. but you're entirely correct. The USA puts their so called "politics" first.While both USA and China turn a blind eye to a dictator when that serves them China will not attempt a cultural hijack, and will make a more genuine effort to help (for profit, but also to improve and solidify relations, build trust, et cetera) - without accidentally making the guy too powerful, however.With the USA it's a bit of the opposite, say with the Mujahideen in Afghanistan or ISIS. American policy lacks foresight or concern for long-term consequences, like destabilising an entire region, or manufacturing their own future enemies.But if only it was just this.. since the Americans will easily resort to all sorts of offensive actions and crime, militarily or economically, create insecurity and volatility (Iran currency says Hi; Cuba getting gigafucked for 7 decades?) to absolutely screw over countries for non-compliance, ally or not. Their power rests on fear and ruthlessness.
>>532234315The invasion is the last hope. Trump knows that this will make him the worst US president in history. That's why he's postponing the decision, buying time through market manipulation, releasing strategic reserves, and begging Russia to increase oil production. But in the end, he'll have to do it anyway.
>>532225890If its simple than just do it bro.
>>532225994So simple and easy to do that the US navy is too scared to do it.
>>532230480I genuinely miss Dubya. At least it was possible to pretend his cabinet were intelligent schemers back then. If seeing all this happen has revealed anything, it's how fragile democracy is. There is no grand scheme, no people in the shadows manipulating everything for some greater goal. Trump is just that stupid, and Israel really is just that shortsighted and greedy. They can't even be bothered to lie to us for a few months before doing something stupid anymore.
>>532233913you missed the point.from their perspective the US defense umbrella has been extremely successful.only from your immature expectation of perfect coverage does it look like the US "can't defend the gulf states". they are neither stupid with their expectations like you are, nor utter faggot ingrates like you imply.compare that to the chinese air defense of venezuela and iran which crumbled instantly.this is why they all flew to florida and signed billions in defense deals last week.they need dollars to fulfil their end of these defense contracts which stretch out for years and reflect our growing commitment to our gulf allies, who have proven far more reliable and a million times more grateful than NATO.the euros don't have yuan. the gulf states don't want yuan. you're living in a fantasy world.
>>532228889Finally a dude with some sense around here. no sarcasm, these aren't the people you want in de facto control of Europe. Seriously its a shame so many should die but the world needs a reset then Saudis who are cool can take over the Persian Gulf and we will have world peace at a low cost of a few nukes including bunker buster nukes for Hormuz. If 99% of the world agrees then its not going to cause any MAD.
>>532226690They just want you to die for Israel. There isn't much more thought put into it than that.
>>532228889in a way these locations select for the terrorist mindsetit doesn't work everywhereif panama acted up like this the US would just make the canal 100x wider with plane-mounted explosive excavator technology
>>532234911>So simple and easy to do that the US navy is too scared to do it.Kek. This. I said the same thing from the beginning when he started clamoring for allies. As if his allies had technologies or resources that the US Navy doesn't. I'm just not sure yet whether that was just propaganda for his Euro-hating base, or whether he really wanted to see European ships sunk.
>>532225768Oy. Fucking. Vey.
>>532234947We will see how the sheikhs and europe's leaders decide when the masses demand their blood.
>>532233013Is that like the biggest IF of all time is there one on Mars called the Mons Ifrit that is a 40000 foot tall mountain of IF? We have been trying to hold China back for a decade and quasi succeeding but if you make us into a Pariah state you have no chance in hell of beating China from overproducing the entire planet into a apocalpyse.
>>532225961Kind of silly statement.It's the gas for fertilizer production that's the real killer
>>532234437>without fear of reprisalIf that was the case, or if the USA ever reaches that point, of virtual military impotence, it's going to get ugly. This entire strategy rests on maintaining military superiority and deterrence; people knowing there will be effective - and likely excessive or criminal - reprisals; cannot even call this revenge or retribution, since whatever they did to the USA likely was duly deserved.Fortunately many country's elite is fairly reasonable. Some definitely hold an extremely severe grudge, and the bills the USA will have to pay are steep. But few will want to do any inhumane shit, or to excess. It just ends up putting them into a similar position, essentially emulating the USA.The punishment will be severe, but I don't think many have a desire to become the next bully. The main target will be the USA as a system, I suspect, and to forestall any recurrence of such a shitshow, instead of torturing and murdering people.
>>532234437Even Thatcher understood that without international law we will be in a jungle of might is right and thuggery
>>532235294the masses have seen their quality of life improve beyond their imagination in their lifetimes?ok, just for fun tell me how you think the masses in iran feel about their leaders. hard mode, don't change the subject to how much they hate US and jews.
>>532235412
Terrorist bomb bases, missiles launchers, aircraft carriers and F35sGlorious Jewish Heroes bomb schools, bridges and power plants.Get it right brownoids mudslime shits
>>532225920Tryna disolve NATO to make way for expansion Turkey. It really is Moishe's world, we're just living in it.
>>532227314Republicans don't think shit through. They haven't had a message in decades other than opposing Democrats like the contrarian faggots they are
>>532226049>the US should start bombing Chinese and Russian ships>what could go wrong
>>532234947>they are neither stupid with their expectations like you are>compare that to the chinese air defense of venezuela and iran which crumbled instantlyYour expectation is that a single Chinese AA battery will stop the entire US Air Force? Those are the expectations you should worry about.Although Patriot/THAAD getting defeated by a couple dozen drones and missiles may be worthy of concern as well.Honestly I suspect you're intentionally spreading bullshit information instead of simply being that fucking ignorant.
>>532235547Nearly a third of the Iranian population is a member of the militia. So the motivation to suffer seems to be there. But given the nonstop aid deliveries from China and Russia, there probably won't be a significant drop in living standards. They're also used to being shelled. Who will come to the aid of the Arabs and Europeans when the common people can no longer afford to live?
>>532225890>>532225961Leaving the dates cropped out on these renders them useless
>>532235945>Honestly I suspect you're intentionally spreading bullshit information instead of simply being that fucking ignorant.This
>>532225768POOL'S CLOSE
>532226690Worst bot ever
>>532226690If they did it on any other circumstance they'd have looked like the bad guys. Now it looks like self defense.
>>532235699>Tryna disolve NATO to make way for expansion TurkeyChecked. Highly unlikely. Unless trump resolves the strait situation. The roaches should seriously reconsider supporting Iran.
>>532236766Checked. I think that since the west controls the narrative anyway, the external impact played a less significant role. Rather, it's a step that pushes the US so far into a corner that they will go to extremes to resolve the situation. The Iranians were probably aware of this, and that's why they saved it as their samson option until the very end.
>>532233860>it's not to the direct disadvantage of the USA, with their energy securityfor reasons that i don't completely understand, after trump's speech yesterday, the price of american oil is now HIGHER than the price in europe
>>532237321As far as I understand, the next delivery dates for WTI are closer than those for Brent. And the speech seems to have made it clear to some that the shortage is really coming, and they are buying closer delivery dates at a premium.
They are working out a deal with Oman, Qatar is cool with it. On the other hand the UAE and Bahrain are seething and the Saudi's are quietly plotting to destroy them.
>>532238245Is anything specific known about this deal?
>>532225768You know the sad part about this is that Russia and China can pay Iran to pass the strait, trump cant do shit because sanctioning them would create huge backlash.Europeans CANT do the same because trump would sanction the ships and the crew. That’s how weak Europeans are. You need to grow a spine and take your continent back.
>>532238622Sanctions against ships and crews wouldn't be such a problem. But countries fear being excluded from the USD interbank market. Nevertheless, I hope that at some point we'll reach a point where it's about sheer survival and Europe simply complies with Iran's demands. Getting rid of the USD would be so important, but of course, it would also be an extreme situation.
>>532238123>it's actually just backwardationohnow i understand
>>532238537Iran's allies pay no fees, second tier countries pay a fee, Iran's enemies the US and Israel are blocked until the war ends and anyone aiding them will also be blocked.
declare in one hand and shit in the other, tell us which fills up faster
>>532232865you couldn't join even if you wanted to.
>>532239095They should add a clause stating that oil purchases cannot be settled in USD. If the US gets away without bleeding they'll pull the same crap again in a year at the latest.
>>532235184i think the point is to burden share because that's what allies do, (not like you'd know). also makes Iran less likely to attack when there are more countries involved.
>>532239544Show us your flag so we can better understand your post.
>>532226693>fertiliserCanada supplies approx. 90% of our potash>heliumWyoming. The US is literally the world's leading supplier of Helium.Closing the strait hurts us a little bit in terms of higher prices, but is an existential threat to the feminine countries of the world such as South Korea and the EU nations. This war is a reminder that the US holds up the global order upon which you all depend, and we can kick it over at any time. We're reminding all of you Euros who the boss is, and if you don't come to your senses soon you will find yourselves Chinese vassals while both the US and Russia actively work to keep you weak and powerless.
>>532239687post a picture of your hand so we can understand your posts better, Ackmed.
>>532240017Since this is the first time that Europe has almost unanimously said no to you, and your chief clown is having one meltdown after another, your theory doesn't seem to be compatible with reality. Fuck, even the Poles said no to you when you asked them for their patriots.
>>532235945>>532236156You guys are really living in the past, and letting your hatred of America cloud your judgment.The only real question Europeans need to be asking themselves: do you prefer to remain American vassals, or do you want to take your chances at being Chinese vassals instead?
>>532225768something nobody seems to be noticing is even if hormuz was ACTUALLY totally closed iran has a Whole Nother Sea, caspian which is controlled by a handful of stans that wont tolerate any outside presence from there the volga canal goes to the black sea and from there russia has the whole freaking northeast of the world to ship oil and trade shit. theyre all working together and hate america and have planned for this for decades. the only difference is that now the US is "governed" by a fat retard who sucks putins dick because hes got dirt on him
>>532240216A mutt larping as a Catalan. You're a kike, aren't you? You tribe never got over being kicked out by them.
>>532240289China is far from having the means to wield international power, even if it wanted to. But anyway. First, you have to get rid of the current slaveholder, then you can see what happens next.
>>532240371How is that relevant? The infrastructure of the Gulf states, and also of Iran, is designed for transit through the Strait. You can't simply divert 20 million barrels a day. You need ports designed for that, as well as pipelines and other infrastructure.
>>532230517Coño, the track record of laughing or pretending you'll get the upper hand against trump has not paid off so far.
>>532226642jews killed him in the last couple of days, didn't they? iran isn't blasting jews as much any more
>>532240432lol, kikes don't fish
>>532226605The brigadeing here made me realize Muslims are the ones controlling half the world and invading the West while zionism just means Israel is not for Muslims and that's what all the seethe, scamming and projection here is ultimately about
>>532242034That's simply because you underestimate how much the whole world hates your nation. Nobody wants your interference anymore, which somehow always ends with other nations becoming more brown and woke.
>>532225768If the media wasn't leftist, nobody would even know what Iran was saying
>>532242463That is the external subversive policy of leftists and communism and most Muslims are practicing this these days even though CCP will eventually turn on them
>>532242927Damn, that's a lot buzzwords for one sentence, but you didn't mention trannies or democrats, so I'm gonna have to report you to eglin for lack of performance, private.
>>532242850>>532242927The Turks are in Germany because you wanted to plant missiles in Turkey. The Syrians are in Germany because you wanted to weaken Assad. The Albanians are here because you wanted to break up Yugoslavia. The niggers are in Europe because Gaddafi no longer wanted to trade his oil in US dollars. The new green movement in Europe is almost exclusively financed by American billionaires. And so on and so forth.
>>532228696if you are capable of great harm, but you don't act, that is restraintif you are not capable of great harm and don't act, that is being harmless>Curiously most countries besides the USA and Israel aren't in the habit of blatantly violating all international norms and laws.Understanding why, if these things were 10 times more important, they would still be trash is key to moving forward.
Yaayyy my favorite country controls my favorite strait
>>532226049Perhaps it would be better for the US to drop a nuke on Israel
>>532225768>be america>lose a warmuttmerica is a paper tiger
>>532225768Trump literally accelerated the decline of American empire by several decades by doing this lol
>>532244405ouch lol
lemme get datlemme get some of dat strait
>>532225768The funny thing about this is that even with them controlling the straight and continuing the million dollar per ship charge they have been doing... The price of oil would have gone from ~70 dollars a barrel to... ~77 dollars a barrel at most (likely closer to 73) Instead of the 112 dollars a barrel its at right now. Its objectively correct for every country to just pay the toll and oil prices will drop to normal levels. However this is worst case scenario for USA. It reduces the oil prices, which they want high to ensure the Venezuela investments stick, it further funds Iran which is a risk to Isreal. They really shit the bed with this one.
>hey stop that, thats illegal, iran! dont do that! we are telling you to stop that, right now!
>>532244687joke's you, i lost my driver's license
>let's create a casus belli for UN force
>>532244968Let me guess, drinking and driving my finish friend?
>>532245025lil speeding and crashing into a ditch
>>532244968>calls america a paper tiger>can't even travel on his owngrow up lol
>>532225768>trump takes over gulf of Mexico>iran takes over its actual property WEW LAD WE HAVE A PROBLEM LETS LET A MAN WHO SAYS NO MO WARS TAKE BIBIS COCK UP THE BUTT THEN GET MAD HE WAY PLAYED LIKE A FOOL>L>M>A>Othe best part of this war is bibi bet down hard.knowing trumps ego is too big for himself to stop it. Now the world bleeds the usa is dying and all taco trump can do is pump the markets keep the lies spinning and bibi is laughing because he make trump his bitch so hard it's hilarious .
>>532226698iran has every right to defend it self from outrageous israeli aggression and should punish israel far FAR harder than it currently is
>>532227698>>532229289you faggot nigger /k/ike posters should have your fucking heads smashed in a vice so no one has to deal with your posts anymore
Oh please how many illegal actions has the Jewsa and Israel taken since GazaJewsa can shove it up it ass
>>532245636Indeed. That will only happen though if desalination plants are, though.
>>532225998Do what exactly? They don't have the people for it.All Gulf Arab monarchies combined are well below 25 million citizens, and 20 million of those are Saudis. Yemen even after a century of wars, disease and famines is well over 30 million citizens. Yemen is a 5,000–12,000 year old civilization. Eastern Arabian monarchies are artificial civilizations developed in the second half of the 20th century. They don't have fresh water and rely on desalination plants, energy revenue, protection by foreign powers, and all their food and labor is imported from abroad. They also produce the most waste in the world per capita. Their entire foreign policy consists of supporting coups, wars and civil wars in neighboring states. That's how they remain a big fish in a small pond, or the fastest runner in the race by breaking everyone else's legs.
>>532235184>I'm just not sure yet whether that was just propaganda for his Euro-hatingit's this, if anyone offered help weeks ago when he started his retarded rants he would fucking collapse, because then he have to back out of actually doing it
>>532225768Poo
>>532244687The thing is we are stress tested to high prices, we can always temporarily lower the taxes if things go fubar, meanwhile tards in 3rd world countries like the USA will go ape shit.
>>532226690>There's no discourse with those retards, they're all first order thinkers with a one track mind.But enough about miggers
>>532246646>TDS activated>must accuse anon of israel>t. kike
>>532243086Does Hamas have a politburo? I believe it does. Brown commies doing brown commie things.
>>532232116We finally cracked why the burgers can't make hypersonics, they are just retarded.
