why do we need a test flight to fly around the moon? why not just go post up on the moon again? did our technology become outdated so we need a test flight to the fucking moon? i never believed in conspiracy theories about the moon landing being a hoax, but now i'm starting to be a belieber. why do you need a fucking test flight? just go plop them down like you did 70 years ago or whatever. my spidey senses are tingling.
nasa lost the technology, they said it themselves.
>>532243851>did our technology become outdatedIt was destroyed.
>>532243851>why are they testing a brand new space vehiclegee I cannot think of a reason
>>532243851It's a new rocket, so they're checking that it works with a course that would bring them back to Earth if something goes wrong, as opposed to parking it at the Moon.
Artemis is completely different than Apollo program and the Saturn rockets. It's all new and improved, but still needs to be tested incrementally. Landing on the moon is not easy even in modern times. It was a miracle they pulled it off several times with the Apollo missions considering how shit computers were back then.
>>532243851I've asked this question many times in a non-confrontational way to many actual engineering people and they just get all weird and quiet. No one has been able to explain why we haven't been able to take advantage of 50 years of advances and apply them to a frame that already went to the moon successfully. The only answer that makes sense that isn't conspiratorial is that it's some sort of fraud scheme to make NASA more relevant by requiring investment into way more new production chains and research to "go again" in a much more expensive way. I personally think the actual 1969 landing was fake though
>>532243851This isn't interesting. Come up with better bait
>>532243851DEI competency crisis
>>532243851To test the new toilet sir.Space toilet is new advanced technology invented by H1B so humanity can finally poop on the moon for first time.
>>532244450a $30 million toilet that had issues within a couple of hours of launch btw. Imagine if it broke down lmao
>>532243851>why do we need a test flight to fly around the moon?You realize Apollo 8 went to the moon and never landed, right? It's the same thing. You don't just do something like this without test the technology first.
>>532243943>they said it themselves
>>532243851you know why
>>532243851>why do we need a test flight to fly around the moon?Because the rocket was made by ESL Indian and Chinese engineers at Boeing.We spent the last 70 years dismantling and exporting all of our domestic engineering and manufacturing talent to the third world and now we can’t make things. Thats what happens. Capitalism is good. Neoliberalism “won”.
>>532244131>The only answer that makes sense that isn't conspiratorial is that it's some sort of fraud scheme to make NASA more relevant by requiring investment into way more new production chains and research to "go again" in a much more expensive way.i worked in the federal government for ~7 years. it's an open secret that leadership was constantly trying to spend everything in their budget so they could ask for more money. no doubt nasa is doing the same. plus nasa hasn't done shit for years and contractors have already caught up to them. if you asked space-x to land people on the moon that would probably be a layup. their focus is landing people on mars though
>>532243943>nasa lost the technology, they said it themselves.Anon I...
>>532243851>did our technology become outdated so we need a test flight to the fucking moon?No Anon, let me explain it to you. A long time ago a bunch if satanic jews got together and started making labs, like the JPL or CERN. They use these labs to launder tax money for "the sciences" but it's really a slush fund for Jewish daycare for ideological allies (metropolitan commie extremists.)When an organization like NASA needs to make an affirmative claim, they have to make an excuse later.Where did the high quality moon landing tapes go?>humanity's greatest achievement? We wiped the tapes. A 1979s TV broadcast is fine, right? Where did the technology go?>we lost it! The organization made to develop technology? We did our job then lost it. Oops! Thanks for the tax money. This is probably a test for all thr systems so they can fake it properly when they "land."
>>532244708Yep. One good thing to come out of it, especially Challenger was the extensive safety bureaucracy. But I see no reason why we shouldn't have had people on the moon 10 years ago for even less than 50% of the cost even when you factor in the super expensive safety reviews.
>>532244131>I've asked this question many times in a non-confrontational way to many actual engineering people and they just get all weird and quiet. No one has been able to explain why we haven't been able to take advantage of 50 years of advances and apply them to a frame that already went to the moon successfully.Because you're asking logical people a simple question, and all reasoning points to the fact the technology never existed, and they lied to the public.Government shames you for that. Your professional career is over if you tell the truth.
>>532244938>safetyWhy do you think the US government cares about ~10 astronauts dying when they will blow up a school of 160 kids? Why the trauma fear theatrics for the public?
>>532243851>we've driven down a road before 1960s>why do we need a testrive a new car in 2026?
>>532243851It's all brand new systems, of course they need testing.
>>532243943why don't you try building an iowa battleship from scratch, fucking retard.>they lost the technologyno, they lost the hundreds of blueprints and thousands of little undocumented changes made over the entire apollo program spanning over a decade. Some of the shit we used to make the apollo ship and lander wouldn't be in shitting distance of a modern spacecraft, like magnesium.we focused on probes, satellites, landers, space stations, etc. in the meantime.
>>532244115The Apollo guidance computer was pretty solid for what it was, but hand-weaving ROMs doesn't look like fun.
ya'll space nerds have an answer for everything and are getting good at covering up nasa's fraud.
>>532245203If you watch the actual interviews it's more like>driving a car down the road in 2026 presents many intractable engineering problems we haven't figured out how to solve yet>but we did do it in 1969 but we can't apply how we did it then because... reasonsFor example, they constantly talk about the Van Allen belts and radiation as the main reason they haven't been back, but handwave the methods the apollo program supposedly used to solve such problems as if they were nothing.
>>532243998kek we've had planes for 100 years, why is Boeing doing flight tests? Just dump them off at the airport like we've always done
>>532244998They'd much rather hire a million dei comms people who won't question the money laundering than one engineer who can get their objectives achieved for 10% of the cost. the budget incentives are extremely fucked up
>>532244450Why are we letting jamjeets who can't build a toilet on Earth build one for space?
>>532244998>all reasoning points to the fact the technology never existed, and they lied to the public.all the headlines said>WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE MOON!!!!1meanwhile you find out they're just flying around the moon. if we landed people on the moon before, why not just shoot your shot and do it again? this was a 'test run', but does this rocket even have the capability to land people on the moon? makes me think the moon landing was actually faked.
this is borderline religious fanaticismthis is why you cannot question it and even /pol/ mods are falling for it and banning threads.it's the religion of the secular age to look at MAN and his achievements has being equal to or above the divine.
>>532243851They filmed this stuff here on earth and then people watched it on television. Why is this so complicated to realize? They produce movies like this all the time, it is no magic at all. It was a simple movie on a screen. Filmed in a hangar or in some desert location and then the material was altered with a black background and a backdrop and all the rest they do with every other movie. I guess the real difficulty for people is to realize that all of their lives they have been fooled to believe they live in a world of a noble trustworthy good-guy government or something that is always telling them the truth about everything and not use people as wageslave cattle. Well, you can not trust the government, they lie to you. No, they do not want your best, no, they do not care about you, no, they will not tell you the truth about stuff. They are liars. Some believe in the lies, and some know about the lie and love the lie and lie actively in your face. Conspiracies are actually the everlasting constant in the world of politics and government, especially in this godless modern world of multiculturalism and atheism and judaism. Two parents telling their child something about Santa Claus are actually conspiring against their child. It's baffling that people seem to think that "conspiracy theorist" means something, like conspiracies would not exist at all. We live in a world of conspiracies everywhere all the time. And no they do not tell you where you actually live in this reality, you should not listen to them and should not go after the ways of this humanistic heathen world government. Read the Bible if you want to know truth.
>>532243851>did our technology become outdated so we need a test flight to the fucking moon?Yes. Also it was basically a miracle that we got back all the Apollo astronauts we launched. Today we have modern tech, but it was put together by DEI hires. As opposed to 95% white men last time around. One of the issues last time was the engineers who put it together were artists and made changes that weren't documented, this time around they're much more detailed.
>>532243851The Germans that made it possible in the first place died and only they understood the technology. They didn't lose the tech they just don't understand it.
>like 70 years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpuKu3F0BvY
>>532245360This. Morons think technology is video game shit that you unlock once and you have the capability forever.
>>532245360>no, they lost the hundreds of blueprints and thousands of little undocumented changes made over the entire apollo program spanning over a decade.meanwhile, on a whim, elon musk can go build rockets with aspirations to travel to mars in a few years? like i said before, landing on the moon should be a layup for nasa. 'losing documents and blueprints' in the government is ridiculous. they hang on to everything. also, it's likely that contractors built everything so the contractors would have backups of the files.
>>532243851MUH HECKIN SCIENCE!
>>532243943Yeah and Chevrolet lost the ability to make the 1969 Camaro. All we can make is stuff 10x better in every way.The Saturn V is obsolete.>No carbon fiber>Massive computer that weighed 1,000 lbs with less computing power than a cell phone>Obsolete rocket engines
>>532243851Can you drive a stick shift?
>>532246199Pretty much, its weird how everything else advanced except the biggest achievement in human history. Its like giving up on aviation right after the wright brothers landed their planes.
>>532245360Tin Whiskers is a good name for a cat
>>532246518the Saturn V mogs the puny sneed launch system
>>532246518I don't know how you can say that and not have driven a new camero.It's a pos.Literally designed on purpose to fall apart so you have to buy a new one.
>>532245547>kek we've had planes for 100 years, why is Boeing doing flight tests?because pilots need training. commercial pilots are usually only qualified to fly a specific plane.
>>532243851It's because muttmericans don't have Germans running their space program anymore so have to figure it out for themselves. They'll never be able to do it without German help.
>>532243851>be humans>eventually get colony on Mars>companies take it all over>tourism>Olympus Mons becomes a huge destination as the champion of Everest>lines of people just like Everest climb it, leaving trash all over>rampant corruption just like Everest>dead bodies all over just like Everestthis is the future spacefags want - more retarded rich people who are bored and waste money climbing a huge dome volcano on Marshumans were NEVER meant to leave this planet and frankly should not leave this planet. we are too immature as a species.
>>532246716And the old Camaro SS is considered some super powerful muscle car by boomers yet has the same 1/4 mile stock as the 1.6L turbo Honda Civic Si 4 banger with front wheel drive. It's obsolete boomer nostalgia just like the Saturn V. Cool for its time, but gets blown away by modern tech.>>532246700Starship Booster mogs the the Saturn V. More thrust, more payload, and fully reusable.
>>532246551>Can you drive a stick shift?yes. sometimes i actually have the problem of going from manual to automatic and on the automatic i press 'the invisible clutch' when coming to a stop. being able to drive stick isn't much of an accomplishment.
>>532243851ReconIndia and China sent things to land on the moon I suspect, and proving that USA can do it is a step before landing something on the moon with intention beyond "because it is there"
>>532246916I could literally drive through a civic in an LS swapped monte.You can blame the heads of gm that said no car can be better than the corvette and then them making it suck.
>>532246882relax bro this is the last human space mission to beyond LEO that we will see for another 70 years, nothing for us to worry about.
>>532246022women are retarded
>>532243851The Fartemus Jew mission is fake and gay just just all of (((NASA)))'s bullshit
>>532246962Congratulations on not being 99% of the population.
>>532244131>No one has been able to explain why we haven't been able to take advantage of 50 years of advances and apply them to a frame that already went to the moon successfully.You're asking why a "frame" using 1960s metallurgy and construction techniques, designed specifically for the engines and equipment to be used with it, was not re-used for a modern rocket with modern engines and equipment?
>>532243851> i never believed in conspiracy theories about the moon landing being a hoaxProbably because your government is so trustworthy and honest. Anyone could make that mistake.
>>532246478>in a few years?20 years. SpaceX's first launch was in March 2006.
>>532246022>go to attend (fake) historic event>take pictures of yourselfI don’t belong here.
>>532246882Rich people won’t leave earth because they aren’t stupid.
>>532248655i don't understand the point of your comment. please explain why it went over my head?
>>532243943It's sad we had to go back to rockets. When we had the Space Shuttle we figured next would be a spaceship, not going back to shitty rockets As for "forgetting" it's more like making a 55 Chevy from scratch. Not easy to do when all the factories and infrastructure you had for that are gone. But like the guy said with the 69 Camaro, we can make something that looks like it that's better...but again...where is our fucking spaceship? It's 2026Fucking rockets lol
>>532243943It's not lost technology, it's new technology. Every iteration needs a shake out. Imagine if the major car companies didn't test their new models every year. So many fucking retards.
>>532249334so? nasa has been around for 70 years and they've been dicking about for the last 50 years just going to schools and handing stickers and pins to kids.
>>532251261It's not that complicated. Manual transmissions were once the standard. Once there were only manual transmissions. Most cars today are automatic. There's only a handful of enthusiast cars made in the last 5 years that are still manual transmission. Most people today can't operate a car that was built 60 years ago. They don't even know where to begin.Hence, Manual Transmission Technology is essentially lost to the modern driver.
>>532252014>Most people today can't operate a car that was built 60 years ago. They don't even know where to begin.>Hence, Manual Transmission Technology is essentially lost to the modern driver.so that's the joke? nasa can't land on the moon anymore is akin to people not being able to drive manual anymore? if that's the joke then you're more retarded than me, and that's saying a lot.
>>532243851You really are a retard. Technologies are lost all the time, have you never read history? They don't even make the chemicals used in the analog film cameras used in the original moon landings anymore. Tech isn't like a videogame, technology requires a large industrial and knowledge base just to remain static. If you lose the talent and the industry you have to rebuild it.
>>532244619they're still white
>>532243851PR stunt Testing new technology Testing old technology You can keep doubting humans been to the moon but the moon is about to be colonized and industrialized within the next years. Very interesting times ahead. I wish more of humanity realized the cool shit that will come from this and be a little less zero sum thinking towards the future
>>532252402this argument would be believable if they were not trying desperately and failing over an over again to build a human rated heavy launch vehicle to go past leo for the past 30 plus years as a successor to Saturn V
>>532252818Saturn was built with a military work culture directly imported from NAZI Germany. SLS was built with a woke DEI culture full of women. Saturn would have never passed modern safety standards either. NASA is insanely risk averse after Challenger and Columbia. Back in Apollo a 1/10 chance of crew death was deemed acceptable. Now the figure is more like 1/1000
>>532243943NASA lost the Germanic white scientists. They can't be sure if their DEI hires can copy everything correctly
>>532246298I love this movie. If we really did land. It was a miracle
>>532244131because space is fucking dangerous and the trailblazing circumstances that those first astronauts risked wouldnt ever be allowed today. look at apollo 13, that o2 tank explode at any other point in the journey, they're drifting off into space or guys are being left stranded on the moon's surface.
>>532252402>You really are a retard.point taken. nasa was started 70 years ago and we landed on the moon 60 years ago.>POOF!!>ALL THE TECHNOLOGY IS LOST!!!like name another useful technology that just randomly gets lost. especially within such a short time frame.
>>532243943I remember telling my soience teacher this in middle school and he didn't believe me
>>532253009space shuttle is not even in the same category as the rigorously tested capsule design with its many different safety redundancies.
>>532252398It was a euphemism not a joke.>Can't land on the moon>The Technology that was used to land on the moon 60 years ago is lostYou're too retarded to grasp logic, so you don't comprehend why these two statements are not the same thing.
unironically space agencies across the globe got memed on so hard about not being able to do anything anymore that they are all tripping over themselves to prove they still got itthey dont got it
>>53224385170 years ago bud.Those guys fabricated the Apollo engines by hand.The control systems, hand built.Etc... etc...All those rocket monkeys are dead or retired.It wasn't so much the tech, it was the skill set and expertise of the human portion.Do you really want a 90 year old welder to TIG your rocket engine together?
>>532243943why do people believe thisthe technology used to to bomb iranian schools is the same used to go to the moongoing to the dark side of the moon is more complex than the old moon landings and highlights vastly superior military technology than China who can barely get unmanned crafts to the moon
>>532253901>You're too retarded to grasp logicwhat is the logic? i'm trying to get more smarter.
>>532253292Manned interplanetary transport is not a useful technology so that's why it vanished when the government stopped funding it. Simple as. The Soviet Union used to have its own Space Shuttle and a superheavy lift rocket in a similar class to the Saturn V. Are you saying that the Soviet Space program was a fake conspiracy because it ceased doing 90% of the stuff it used to do after the collapse of the Soviet Union?I'm a Space guy but there is quite literally no economic case for putting humans on the moon, so the SLS will also become lost technology in about 20 years time.
>>532253415It's true. Shuttle was built on dreams and the hubris of having successfully dodged bullets on every mission to the moon.
>>532246518so obsolete artemis is made of like 30% recycled saturn v parts
>>532243851>We Who the fuck is we ?
Here’s why the “fake” theory doesn’t hold up:1. Physical evidence from the MoonApollo missions brought back 382 kg of lunar rocks.These samples have been independently studied worldwide and have properties that differ from Earth rocks (e.g., exposure to solar wind, no atmospheric weathering).2. Independent trackingNot just NASA—observatories and even rival nations like the Soviet Union tracked the mission.During the Cold War, the USSR had every incentive to expose a hoax but never did.3. Retroreflectors still in useAstronauts placed mirrors on the Moon that scientists still use today to measure Earth–Moon distance with lasers.4. Photographic and video consistencyLighting, shadows, and physics in the footage match lunar conditions (e.g., vacuum, low gravity).Many “oddities” cited (like no stars in photos or the flag “waving”) are explained by camera exposure and movement in a vacuum.5. Sheer scale of the operationAbout 400,000 people worked on Apollo.A conspiracy of that size staying hidden for decades is extremely unlikely.6. Later confirmationModern probes like Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter have photographed the landing sites, showing equipment and astronaut tracks still there.Fact checked by chatGPT yet again
>>532254290All cats have four legs, my dog has four legs, therefore my dog is a cat.
>>532243851Romans invented concrete that's better than modern concrete 2000 years ago, technology is not a straight line.
>>532247613>hebrewThey probably have a billion words for deceit since it's so ingrained in their culture, it's like eskimos and words for snow.
>>532244131>I've asked this question many times in a non-confrontational way to many actual engineering people and they just get all weird and quiet. No one has been able to explain why we haven't been able to take advantage of 50 years of advances and apply them to a frame that already went to the moon successfully>why don't they just put a v8 engine inside the Ford Model T
