I'm reading a book that was first published in 1951, called "Catholicism in the light of the Holy Scriptures" and it absolutely annihilates all of the "genius" talking points that Catholic "apologists" bring to the table in debates where they pretend to hold the true religion.It is just striking how almost 100 years later, catholics are still peddling the same old talking points and their fan boys are still in awe and applauding them as if they were new and exciting.
>>532259762The Catholic Church is the ONE True Church of the Almighty Most High Absolute God.Can you say the same for what you believe?
>>532259825>>532259762The Catholic Church was before scripture.
>>532259762>it absolutely annihilates all of the "genius" talking points that Catholic "apologists" bring to the table in debates give some examples
>>532259762No institution that sticks around for 1000’s of years were nice about how they went about it. The Vatican is ruthless.
>>532259867Read the book. All of the claims made by the Catholic church about the apostolic one true church, the creation of the Bible etc have been debunked for centuriesI can share a link to where I uploaded the pdf of the book so you can read it, but not sure if it's allowed by the forum rules
>>532259762>>532259825none of the abrahamic religions hold upthe only contact with spirituality you can get is if you have a NDE or you do psychedelics in nature, and all of those are inefable and cannot be brought back or materialized in the monkey business that is human lifeanything else besides is schizo-circlejerk and psychopaths manipulating cattle with religious fear-mongering
>>532259863>Things morons believeMotherfucker, many of the books of the Bible were written hundreds if not thousands of years before Christ.
>>532259762It's still the biggest religious community in the world, heathen.
>>532259963I am the King of Heaven and Earth, and the Lord of all creation. God created the world just for Me.
Gnosticism has enlightened me
>>532260012The scriptures were irrelevant without the Church cannonizing it.
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>>532260138I am the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. I am the chosen ONE of the Almighty God.
>>532260179but you're mexican
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>>532260012You are probably a crypto-protestant or even worse a Walloon.
>>532260130>things morons believe
>>532260204I'm the number 1 chess champion of /pol/.
>>532259953>This book is so good it destroys God's Church>Cant post examples>Cant Post PDFLol okay retard
>>532260366If you don't have the capacity to Google the book, then you won't have the capacity to read it. I am not here to spoon feed you and I couldn't care less about the salvation of a willfully ignorant imbecile
>>532260578What's the point? I would rather spend my times playing video games. My backlog is almost infinite.
>>532260366He's Protestant. He didn't actually read it.>>532259963Oh look a druggie who thinks he knows showed up too.
>>532260652For people who are already committed to dying without any chance of salvation, there is no point.
>>532260578>Makes claim>Provides no evidence or argumentLol peak
>>532260706I am the eternal lover of God Almighty. I don't need saving. God will always keep me alive somehow.
>>532259762>it absolutely annihilates all of the "genius" talking points that Catholic "apologists" bring to the table in debates>yet>schockingly>DOESN'T EVEN POST>A SINGLE ONE AMAZING
>>532260578>I'm a lazy nigger who can't even be bothered to post screen shots of my Church ending book>t. Lazy niggerSo glad you killed a thread to show us all what a lazy nigger provides to the field of theology research
>>532260686>He's Protestant. He didn't actually read it.Yes I am a protestant and yes I haven't read it completely yet. That's why I said I am reading. Currently at page 70I agree I will post some examples, it's a fair point. I will take some pics of the parts about dismantling the apostolic church claims
>>532260872Do it in English, nigger. No one of any worth reads dyslexic latin
>>532260012Yes ? And that's perfectly admitted. It's not even the point.
>>532260872I am thinking of becoming a Catholic. Do you have a link to an English pdf of the book?
>>532259825>>532259867The Catholic Church didn't exist until centuries after the Apostles (who wrote the New Testament) went to Heaven. Hence why Acts 16:31 says forgiveness of sins happens by belief, not by sacrament:>Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.And why John 8:30 defines "believing on Jesus" as faith alone, without a sacrament heresy:>As he spake these words, many believed on him.Anything more is replacing Christ's cross with traditions of men (Mark 7:8-9).>>532259863>The Catholic Church was before God's speech.Unbelievably retarded and fitting comment. You're going to go to Hell if you replace Christ and His one payment with your religious traditions (1 Timothy 2:5). Everyone in the New Testament (the time of the Apostles) was saved or healed by faith alone in Christ, not in touching or tasting things like Jews, Muslims and Catholics teach (Colossians 2:20-22).>>532260035Satan still controls most of the world's population, but you consider him your first pope (Matthew 16:23), so...>>532260686Your own country was separated from the Great Whore because she didn't want you reading God's words. And you're going to go to Hell if you keep trying to replace Christ's finished sacrifice with your post-New Testament traditions (John 8:24).
>>532261023Don't ask him, he's a lazy nigger that refuses to spoon feed us
>>532261048>Unbelievably retarded and fitting commentIt's true, isn't it? Christ founds the Church with Peter. The earliest NT scriptures come minimum ten to fifteen years after that.
>>532261023https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDOKd1z3NmM
>>532261023Read this one: >"Understanding Roman Catholicism" by Rick Joneshttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1tWIxUJrlARnsgNn4C2TpfZuDErG0ClDc/view?usp=sharingAlso check out "50 Years in the Church of Rome" and "The Priest, the Woman, and the Confessional" by Charles Chiniquy (served as a Roman Catholic priest in French Canada and America for most of his life)God bless you.
>>532261212>>532261165Thanks guys
>>532261157Then you mean he founded the church with Satan (Matthew 16:23). Did you open the Bible and see that even Peter (and Paul) says that Christ is the Rock? You haven't, because you trust in men to save you rather than in God (Christ, who is Almighty to save).
>>532261048The Catholic Church is started by Peter the first Pope.The book of Revelation is written in greek by John the Apostle.
>>532261332There is no evidence from the times of the Apostles that Peter started the Catholic Church (which did not historically exist until centuries after the New Testament was finished by 100 AD).Even Augustine in his "Retractiones" stated that Peter is not the rock but that Christ is. You're trusting in post-Apostolic, Christ-replacing heresies and not in the finished sacrifice of Christ. You are on your way to Hell, unless you to turn to Him (not to a religion trying to replace Him).
>>532261251highly recommend you simply look into Orthodoxy. You're eventually going to end up there so might save yourself some time and a lot of mental anguish before doing so.
>>532261431I am the chosen ONE of God. I have seen God. All your point is moot.
>>532261310That's a ridiculous reading of Matt 16:23.Christ clearly founds the Church prior to scripture being written, debates about what exactly he was referring to by "the rock" aside.>You haven't, because you trust in men to save you rather than in God (Christ, who is Almighty to save).Got a lot out of bief comment. Shan't bother with your recommends. You are not clear headed
>>532261485>You're going to end up believing in a heresy that teaches apotheosis (becoming a god) anywayPost-Apostolic heretic, you're on your way to Hell for trusting in Christ-replacing men and fleshly things rather than putting your trust in Almighty Christ Himself to save you (John 8:30 says that saving belief is by faith alone and not by any sacrament).
>>532261626Who did you trust to put together and verify your bible?
The Vatican is built on top of Saint Peter's corpse. Don't you know?>And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
>>532259963I've tried to get on board with Christianity but it's just always seemed like a slog to me. The way people go about their lives sinning but then trying to "make up for it" by pretending to care about shit in church for an hour a week just never resonated with me. When I've dealt with religious people there always is a strong sense of mask wearing I can't get over. I think SOMETHING happened that provoked these religions all in the same general time period and region, but I'm not convinced any of them have it right. My family was only nominally Christian but my parents mostly raised me with a fairly decent moral compass. I feel guilty just littering. I sometimes question if some people just lack an actual internal moral compass to various degrees and actually NEED the framework of religion and the social shame to keep them from doing some of the most fucked up shit, which otherwise just seems like common sense to someone with a running internal moral dialog. Like, I don't need a bunch of rules and authority figures to tell me not to abuse children or rip off other people in my day to day life.
>>532259953>hey english speakers, read a book that's only available in frenchfuck off you massive faggot
>>532261607>Believing Christ made Peter Almighty over all souls is less ridiculous than believing than that Jesus called Peter "Satan" in Matthew 16:23This is why you're on your way to Hell: you're as entrenched in your men-worshipping traditions as Jews were in Christ's day.>Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. - Mark 7:8-9 (Jesus' words)Also, the Old Testament (which is Scripture) established Christ as the rock millenia before Peter was born, and everyone who trusted in Him (such as Abraham: James 2:23) was saved. In contrast, there is no Roman Catholic Church mass, confession, Mariolatry, or baptismal regeneration (and certainly not infant baptism) attested to even once in the Gospels or Acts (which is APOSTOLIC history).
>>532261717Christ (Matthew 24:35, 2 Timothy 3:16-17), someone you admit to not being sure you know yet.
>>532261485What would you say the main differences are between the Orthodox and the RCC?
Also if you can test the DNA of Peter, you will certainly find that the cunts at Israel are all nothing but larpers destined for damnation.>Revelation 3:9
>>532261836I'm not a Catholic but I'm not interested in your ranting, mate. You're a dogmatic thumper with an apparent absence of charity and even in my ignorance I know you're talking a good deal of nonsense.
>>532261788Peter's body was found buried in Jerusalem (under his birthname of "Simon Barjona"). You're trusting in post-Biblical (ie, post-Apostolic) fables.Also, the Vatican claims that Catholics worship god with Muslims "with us". That's of antichrist, not of Christ.
>>532260236>>532260578Makes a statement.Too lazy to elaborate. Proceeds to get emotional about it.>Yes, it's a *alloon
>>532261966Israel will cease to ezist within 3 years. All anti-christ will go to Hell.
>>532261962You can ragefully ad hominem me all you want, but you still have to deal with the fact that Apostolic History (the New Testament) is inconsistent with Roman Catholic dogmas, just as I cited.
Nero's Circus (or the Circus of Caligula) is in the Vatican Hill
>>532262008Indeed, you're on your way to Hell because you reject Christ and His words (John 6:63, John 8:30) in favor of an institution to save you: that's the literal definition of trusting in an anti-Christ.As for me, I'm going to Heaven with my Saviour, who alone saved me (being Almighty to do so, unlike Roman Catholic clergy and rites), and gives me assurance of such (1 John 5:13).
>>532262070That may be the case. But it's not in the way you claimed earlier. Which has created a credibility deficit which means I am not interested in your points.
>>532262189You will die, and go to Hell foelr being an anti-christ cunts who seek to the lead the sheep astray and undermined the Authority of God Almighty.
>>532262192That's fine, your choice. God bless you. I can and still will pray for you, whether you're hardened to the Biblical paradigm or not.
>>532261836>muh booksYou can't worship God by following a handbook. That's one of the main points of the New Testament. And while I'm not very religious its obvious that the reformators basically Judaized Christianity by using the New Testament as the Torah.
>>532262245Thank you anon.
>>532262245Israel will cease to exist within 3 years, and anyone who side with them will go down to Hell with them.
>>532262240The pope is an antichrist, not Almighty God. The pope exists to replace Christ and deceive away from Him, as prophesied by the Apostles>2 Thessalonians 2:3-4>2 Thessalonians 2:7You're rejecting Christ's literal blood (on the cross) for your sins because you love to be seen as religious (even though you admit you don't know if that's going to take you to Heaven or not when you die).
>>532262386The Catholic Church is the ONE True Church of the Almighty Most High Absolute God.Israel will cease to exist within 3 years. All anti-christ will go to Hell.
>>532261902the main contention is Papal infallibility and supremacy, which effectively results in all other errors and deviations the latins indulge in.>>532261866who compiled the books you are quoting, anon?
>>532261792all the talk about "sinning" is one big psyop to make you feel guilt and shame for what is mostly useless or harmless stuff. Most christians obsess about sex, what they eat and drink. Always petty stuff that as an adult you can leave behind and get on with your lifeThe average cattle doesn't have the chance to do serious harm like killing or theft. That is left for the priest or political class that will do whatever harm it wants anyway. But the priest will always yap to the same useless idiots warning them about the dangers of having a boner or not living in a state of perpetual grief.
>>532262513All sins lead to death. All actions have consequences.
>>532262542we all die, golem
>>532260932Not my problem. If you don't understand French you can either learn the language which will take years or you can scan the text with an app and translate it automatically
>>532262596I live for eternity with God Almighty.
>>532262278Acts 15 denounces of proto-Catholic heresies, 2 Timothy 3:7 prophesies and warns against Catholic replacement of and diversion from knowing Christ, and 2 Timothy 3:15-17 says that the Scriptures (God's speech) make a Christian man "perfect in his doctrine." You are just hardened in your post-Apostolic heresies, which is why you rage against God's words (and against knowing Him personally).>>532262368>>532262431>Romans 11:26"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob"You were saying, anti-Apostolic heretic? >>532261431>>532262492Again, Christ did (Matthew 24:35). I know you believe the Scriptures are not God's words (because they conflict with your religion's heretical dogmas), but even so, you agree that they are the history written down by the Apostles themselves: who said that "believing on Jesus" is what saves a man from his sins in verses like Acts 16:31, John 8:30, and John 6:63.
>>532262692In all Heaven and EarthIn all that existed and will exist for all of EternityI, alone, am the chosen ONE of God.
>>532262692Christ compiled the bible?
Somehow you guys are missing the main point of the thread though, which is that since 1951 and probably much longer, catholics have been peddling the same talking points which are to this day being presented as new and exciting scholarly insights
>>532262620That's called the "Sin of Presumption" according to your heresy. Are you a Protestant now (like St. John in 1 John 15:13)?>"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."You will never be able to replace or to reach Christ. You must simply ask Him to save you, but you need your pride in your flesh and in your religion taken away from you first.>>532262772Are you an atheist or something? Are you aware that the Bible is called "God's words" and "the oracles of GOD"? You sound like the Jews of Matthew 15:1-3.
>>532262850*like St. John in 1 John 5:13
>>532262850I'm the King of Heaven and Earth, and the chosen ONE of God Almighty. I am Michael.
>>532262850Are you not aware that the bible was compiled by the Church, as guided by the Holy Spirit?
>>532262692>>532262850You see that's what I'm talking about. You think that God basically wrote a handbook and that's it. Meanwhile the compiled texts were not even the only Christian texts of those days. Let alone other acts of God which are revelead in various ways.
>>532259762Dumb take.>>532259953>Read the bookNo.>>532261836>Which is scriptureYou need the church authority to know it objectively as Christian scripture, else you're giving primacy to your interpretations. >>532262008One could hope. >>532262692Wrong Israel. The 1948 state of Israel isn't the same Israel that collapsed by 70-ish AD>Christ didJesus did not bind the good or declare the canon. You're confused with saying that the holy spirit guided men to write and declare the true word as scripture. But those men didn't make their decision because they felt moved to. The canon was decided in the Council of Hippo Regius and declared canon there, officially, through church authority. The same teaching authority given by Christ to His apostles>>532262831People like Jordan Peterson got far sharing "new and exciting ideas" despite it being old ideas too. Sometimes the issue is people didn't listen the first time, or haven't heard.
>>532259762>almost 100 years laterIt's literally 75 years. If that's the extent of your brainpower I know the rest of your arguments are pure dogshit too.
>>532262542But it seems some people just approach "sins" like it's a pass or fail math quiz and you're tested on your answers. I do plenty of sinful things, but I try to live my life in a way that doesn't harm other people. I try to help others when I can, I try to be role model to younger men. I try not to deceive people for my own gain. I try to respect the environment. I'm not saying I'm some great person, but I find it much more genuine to simply live my life trying to be a decent human being overall, rather than sorting through some list of "rules" I need to take inventory of to pass some test dictated by an authority figure. It just seems like there's a bigger picture here that people lose track of.
>>532261023I don't understand Catholicism. It's an extra layer with a bunch of funny hat people who take your money and hoard secrets on top of Christianity.Christianity has no secrets. No vault. No Pope. Just words in a book that you can choose to believe or not.
>>532263826>I don't understand CatholicismBecause you are lacking, and you have no omniscience God on your side.
>>532263727Math questions always have a clear True and False answer. Why is that?
The weakness of the protestant polemic lies in its tendency to forget that other branches of Christianity exist outside of protestantism and Catholicism, and in nearly every case those branches of Christianity tend to agree with the Catholic consensus more than the protestant consensus on whatever it is said protestant is polemicizing. It's like when a schizophrenic talks about the Pope inserting hundreds of years into the historical record to falsify history, but forgets that christians aren't the only people who write historical chronicles and maintain a calendar. The polemical strengths of the schizo are identical to those of the protestant; those strengths being righteous indignation, sheer force of will, and propensity to believe the most pants on head retarded shit you can possibly imagine.
>>532264037Well you can memorize the formulas for a math quiz and get all the right answers, but it doesn't always mean you really understand the concepts behind them.
>>532264273Doing good things lead to good result.Doing bad things lead to bad result.That's math. That's good and evil. That's right and wrong.
>>532264273the 10 commandments aren't difficult to remember or understand.
>>532263727Legalism vs Relational thinking is 100% a longstanding and real very interpretational issue between people. Legalism is especially helpful for getting yourself started and getting a roadmap but I feel it hits those road bumps too>>532263826Would you like help? We could answer questions>Words in a bookActually a position in how Christianity works from just the 1700s. Jesus didn't write a book in His life on Earth. He started a church and gave apostles teaching authority. That teaching authority was passed down to successors, creating the priesthood and establishing the authority that could even declare the texts scripture and assemble the individual books into the Bible. >VaultWhile the church has a history of providing are and knowledge to the public, the vaults are there to protect delicate things from the building's long history.
>>532263984I have Jesus. Not good enough?
>>532264466you have a lawyer, but do you follow his advice?
>>532264463>>532264538Sorry boys. Not cucking to the Pope. Wish you all the best (I mean that, truly).
>>532264466I dout it. Since you are rebeling against his church.
>>532264582I'm not asking you to cuck to the pope, I'm asking if you actually practice your faith?
>>532264379The 10 commandments boil down to basically being honest, faithful and not stealing. This is just basic morality to anyone with a conscious.
>>532264582I respect that, and thank you man. You don't have to fawn and love an authority figure to respect that he is in a protected position, though. As the apostle Paul reprimanded the first pope Peter for his wrongdoings, you are not tasked to follow him like a personality cult.Take care, bro
all denominations of christianity are just arguing about the proper way to worship a jew who led jew worshiping cult designed to diminish white paganism and replace it with jewish valueshope that helps
>>532264752God came down as a jew to undo their religion explicitly and supercede it with something better. That's more than any anti-zionist idol you have has done.
>>532264752Show me an evidence of pagan gods.
>>532264752Also>White paganism There is no historical pan-european paganism.
>>532259762Now a rando book by a rando author gives the definitive canonical perspective on Catholicism.It's barely a little more than a post by blogger, OP.
>>532259762Arguments like these are like the immigrants explaining why your country is about their interestsYou’re starting with the premise that some profane arrangement is better and then cherrypicking scripture that serves it.Evangelicals do this for reaching the second coming. Half of israeI does it to reach a golden age where christians are banned. And the other half of israeI does it to reach armageddon. You’re probably doing it to argue how Vivek is the true heir to the gladiators or whatever.
>>532261048>>532261048>"If you want to enter into life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS" - JesusFaith alone is garbage. Repent of sins and obey Jesus and keep his commandments and you will be saved.
>>532264668I understand.I had an NDE in 2023, and that opened my mind up greatly to spirituality. My mind was Reddit tier Atheism closed to it before. The NDE was wild. Everything was calm, and things made sense. It was like I was connected to a greater consciousness. No bright light, just me looking at my body and telling myself to wake up, there is more to do.By the grace of what I believe to be God, I made it through that and woke up. Fully recovered from what the Dr said was 50/50 based on what he could see in the scans. Soon after I found a Christian Church that I started to attend. NGL, I had no idea what was going on at first. But one of the Pastor's took time for me.. multiple times actually to help me out to begin my path. Starting from nothing. I'm still on that learning path.As for following my lawyer's advice since then? I would say mostly in how I deal with matters external to me. But not in matters internal. I have a lot to work on. But I am working on it.Thank you for the questions and sorry I misread it at first.
>>532264727You too, brother. I need to step away sometimes from online shit and finding the smallest thing to argue about. It's an old habit I need to break, and it's not helping me. The big picture is we're all God's children and have more in common than not. All the best to you and your Family.
>>532265631Honestly right there with you. Stuck at work and falling to useless habits. But it brought me to you, man, so it can't be all bad. You'll be in my prayers, brother.
>>532264822Psalm 82:1“God stands in the divine assembly; he judges among the gods.”Exodus 20:3“You shall have no other gods before me.”Exodus 15:11“Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods?”Deuteronomy 10:17“For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords…”The romans, vikings etc they all worshipped divine entities, gods who are real. Paul even states this when he says we wrestle against spiritual principalities. You dont know your own bible.
>>532265772Cool. So, why should I worship them?
>>532261048You literally redefined what I wrote and fight something I didn't wrote. You are one with father of lies
>>532265308God Bless Anon, i will pray for your continued spiritual growth and good health. As i said to the other Anon further up i would recommend that you at the very least look into Orthodox Christianity. it is very important that we receive correct instruction and guidance in our faith so that we do not develop in a maladjusted way or are given false understanding.
>>532265817They grant you money, women, success, and allows you to be who you want to be, instead of a miserable cunt who isnt allowed to watch tv, play video games, smoke weed, and instead demands his followers to scream on the streets that everyone is going to hell because they took the mark of the beast (covid vaccine and nasal swab)Also pic related is your future because you probably dont keep the saturday daydawn sabbath and you probably eat pork which means Jesus will slaughter you on his 2nd coming according to Isaiah 66:15-17
>>532264822the biblical god literally loses to a moabite deity in his own holy book lol
>>532265940All garbages temporal shit. If they can't give me something eternal, then there is no point.
>>532266115Jesus will give you eternal hellfire for eating pork and not keeping the sabbath day.
>>532266143God will be with Me for Eternity. We are literally the eternal Lover.
>>532266157Thats what all believers think until they scream "LORD LORD!!!" on judgement day, and he says "Depart from me, I never knew you"
>>532260012They all were written 300 years before Christ max, the 1000 BC has no archeological evidence.
>>5322668134. ApostolicityCATHOLIC DOCTRINEThe fourth mark of the true Church is apostolicity.This is what the Roman Catechism says about it: “The true Church is also called APOSTOLIC because it traces its lineage back uninterrupted to the Apostles and is directed and governed by their legitimate successors.”The dogmatic constitution of Vatican II, Lumen Gentium,of November 21, 1964 (paras. 18-29), forcefully reaffirms this truth, which is called apostolic succession. It teaches that:“The Church present is the sole heir of the Apostles of Christ. The college of the Twelve lives again from generation to generation in the college of bishops; as for Peter, the head, he has as his perpetual successor the Bishop of Rome, the Supreme Pontiff.” Priests are the heirs of the ministers and pastors instructed and appointed by the apostles. The mass of the faithful is the heir of the people of God from the first centuries.BIBLICAL AND HISTORICAL EXAMINATIONThe biblical text clearly shows that the twelve chosen by Jesus had a unique and inalienable ministry. Indeed, when Judas, the renegade, went to hang himself, his colleagues saw fit to fill his vacant place. The text of the Book of Acts (1:21-22) specifies that to succeed one of the twelve apostles, one must have "accompanied Jesus from his baptism by John the Baptist until his Ascension and have been an eyewitness to his Resurrection." The apostleship of the Twelve is therefore an inalienable office.
>>532266813As for the priesthood of Jesus himself, Scripture says...precisely that it is not transmissible: Hebrews 7:23-25:“Moreover, there were many priests, becausedeath prevented them from serving permanently. But he, becausehe remains forever, has a priesthood that isnot transmissible.”Let us suppose, however, that this apostolic successionis biblical, what is the form of its transmission? Has itbeen, as the Catechism says, uninterrupted? We knowthat the chain of bishops has often been broken by interruptions due to persecution or circumstances. Thischain was also sometimes broken by immorality, unworthiness, orheresy. We cannot admit that it is merelya quasi-mechanical transmission of a legal powerunrelated to the qualities of the person fulfilling thisoffice. We do not believe in a "formal" successionfrom the apostles to today's bishops, because there have beentoo many gaps, too many servants incapable of transmitting anything.But we do believe in a spiritual heritage that waspassed down from generation to generation, from Christian to Christian.
>>532261431All of these worthless catholic talking points are addressed and crushed in the book
Papacy 1/3
Papacy 2/3
Papacy 3/3
Papacy 1/32. The Primacy of the PopeHere is the dogma of primacy:Christ himself conferred the power of government45on the apostles in such a way that one of them, Peter, received thefirst rank or primacy (On Faith, PTD II. 187).The Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium insists firmly on this dogma of primacy:“This doctrine of the institution, perpetuity, meaning, and character of the sacred primacy of the Roman Pontiff, as his infallible magisterium, is adopted by the holy council and is proposed anew to the assured faith of all the faithful and of those who follow the same path.” He decides to profess anddeclare before all the doctrine concerning bishops, successorsof the apostles who, with the successor of Peter, vicarof Christ and visible head of the whole Church, govern the houseof the Living God.”BIBLICAL AND HISTORICAL EXAMINATIONCatholic theologians generally invoke the text “You are Peter” from Matthew16:18 todefend this dogma.What does this famous phrase mean: “You are Peter, and I will build my church on this stone”? What is this stone—petra—on which Jesus will build? I do not share the opinion of several Protestant theologians who see in this stone the testimony that the apostle has just given to Christ. In this case, Jesus' play on words with the name Peterwould be inexplicable, even if we take into account the genders of the wordstone in the passage, in both Greek and Latin. It has been saidthat the masculine, petrus, means a pebble, while the feminine,petra, means a large rock. This distinction does not appearclearly in dictionaries, and it is difficult to see howJesus could have said: “You are a pebble, and on this rock I will build…” It seems clear that Jesus used the word stonenot to emphasize a difference but rather asimilarity. Without a doubt, Jesus is reminding us that the name—andtherefore the personality of the apostle—evokes a stone.
Papacy 2/3In this instance, Jesus, as was his custom,speaks in parables. A builder, he uses a familiar image: the ceremony of laying the foundation stone of a house. This moment he has just shared with his disciples in Caesarea Philippi (Mt 16:13-23) is extremely important; it is a new stage in the lives of the disciples, the beginning of the Church.By emphasizing the solemnity of the event, Jesus declares that the apostle Peter, through his declaration of faith, “You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God,” has become the first stone of the edifice he will build. This is a considerable privilege,but it does not make the apostle the only stone! After him, millions of stones will be added one to another to constitute the Church.It is the apostle Peter himself who emphasizes this image. 1 Peter 2:4-6: “Come to him, the living stone, rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him, and like living stones be built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it is written: ‘See, I lay in Zion a stone, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.’” The only foundation is Christ. 1 Corinthians 3:11: “For no one can lay any other foundation than the one that has been laid, which is Jesus Christ.” This is not a question of primacy, but of priority for Peter.It can also be noted that a year after the declarationmade to Peter, the disciples argued about who was thegreatest (Lk 22:24-26). But Jesus did not answer: “Butit is Peter.” It is true that there had been a re-establishment ofPeter by Jesus, who told him (Jn 21:15-17): “Feed my sheep.”47
>>532261792>I looked into Christianity>but the actions of other people prevented meNon sequitur. The sins of other people have nothing to do with your faith in Christ as the Messiah or His teachings.
This just made me cry. Christ saved us. Christ alone.https://youtu.be/o6TRjNisRAM
Papacy 3/3But it seems difficult to see this as the granting of a kind of papal patent to Peter, given that he is "saddened" by what Jesus tells him... It is a rehabilitation after a crime. Peter, now forgiven, can simply resume his place among the apostles.The New Testament Church ignores Peter's preeminence. The apostles send Peter and John to Samaria (Acts 8:14), and nothing in the text indicates any superiority recognized for Peter. When Peter is sent by God to the centurion Cornelius (Acts 10), we see him sharply challenged by the faithful of the Church in Jerusalem (Acts 11:2). Far from justifying himself by invoking his sovereignty, the apostle humbly explains how God led him through a vision: only then does the Church cease to accuse him. When the first "council" met in Jerusalem (Acts 15), it was presided over by James and not by Peter, and the "decree of the council" (Acts 15:22-29) was signed by "the apostles, the elders, and the brothers..." without Peter, though present among the speakers, being specifically mentioned. In the Epistle to the Galatians (2:1-10), the apostle Paul speaks of Peter, to clarify that he was recognized as "the apostle to the Jews," while he himself received an identical charge as "apostle to the Gentiles." In this passage, the apostle Paul declares (v. 9) that James, Cephas (Peter), and John are considered the "pillars" of the Church (note the order of these names, which gives Peter the second place!)
Papacy 3/3 part 2. A little further on (Gal 2:11-14), Paul says he strongly opposed Peter "because he was deserving of reproach." Even more than that, Peter himself (1 Pet 5:1-4) declares himself an "elder" (presbyter) among the elders and says that only Jesus is the Prince of Shepherds! As for the Church Fathers, they often contradict current exegesis. Of the 77 Church Fathers who have spoken about this text from Matthew, 17 believe that the rock Jesus speaks of was Peter. 44 think it was Peter's faith,16 that it was Christ himself.Here, for example, is what Cyprian says (Treatise on the Unity of the Church, par. 4, second half of the 3rd century): “The Lord said to Peter: ‘You are Peter, and on this rock…’ and to the same Peter, after his Resurrection, he said again: ‘Feed my sheep,’ and although he gave the other apostles, after his Resurrection, equal power, saying: ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you’ (Jn 20:21), nevertheless, in order to create unity, he arranged, by his authority, the origin of this unity, beginning with one.” Assuredly, the rest of the apostles had the same attributes as Peter and were clothed with an equal share of honor and power, but the beginning proceeds from unity. Jerome affirms that the stone in Matthew 16 is Christ (Commentary on Psalm 60). For Peter was a stone:“Fundata enim supra firmam petram quae est Christus”(truly, founded on the solid rock which is Christ).
Now watch all the morons complaining about sharing examples from the book being too lazy to read the ones provided.
>I bought a book that affirms my biases!>2000 year old Church instituted by Christ himself BTFOThose that speak against the body of Christ are puppeted by the devil. You write this on Good Friday no less. Truly a wicked man you are.
>>532267551Moron
>>532261048>bro the Church instituted by Christ, God in the flesh, fell apart immediately after his apostles died>But don't worry - it was RECLAIMED AND REFOUNDED 1500 hundred years later!I don't know how protestants can even make this make sense. If you're not Orthodox or Catholic, your faith makes no sense. If you don't believe Jesus could make a lasting institution, his own body, last longer than his death, you believe he was incompetent or a liar.
>>532263401>People like Jordan Peterson got far sharing "new and exciting ideas"Yes it's pathetic
>>532267669Just shut the fuck up and let the clergy do the thinking and debating for you
>>532267551Pope Francis told people to take the covid 19 vaccine. The covid 19 vaccine is 100% confirmed The Mark of The Beast.The "Holy Men" of Mount Athos, men who are suppose to be the holiest in the world, living in a remote place where there are no women allowed, took the covid vaccine in extremely high rate, thus they took the mark of the beast. Thats how God revelead that the old boomer fucks were more scared of dying and they ran and took the vax, instead of trusting God with their health. So both catholicism and orthodoxy is false.The body of Christ is ALL BELIEVERS, regardless of denominations, if they have the Holy Spirit which is a tiny remnant of people only, as anyone who took the covid vaccine or nasal jew swab has been marked by the beast.God called people out of the church system in 2019 because almost all pastors promoted the vaccine. Also God wants to be worshipped in truth and spirit and he doesnt like the church building and its system.True worshippers are dudes who sleep in their cars, or in tents and screaming on the streets that people must repent or perish.
>>532267724So your argument falls apart at the slightest critique and you resort to name calling? Such conviction. Let's try a powerful prayer together and hopefully it will aide you. Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. I prayer you will realize the error of your ways, anon. There is always redemption.
>>532267669Paul knew that even in his time there would be apostasy and false teachers leading people to hell. So even when the apostles were around the faith was being subverted left and rightActs 20:29>I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will come in among you after I leave, not sparing the flock.From Third Epistle of John, talking about Diotrephes:3 John 1:10“...he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church.”If any church doesnt teach people to keep the sabbath day (4th commandment) they are apostate. Also pork eaters will be slain on Jesus Christ 2nd coming.
>>532267890Stfu
>>532267749You are a false witness who pour out lie. Bearing false witness against the Church. Why should anyone believe you?
>>532267934Your church is an abomination and the great harlot of revelation, and the protestant churches are the little harlot daughters. God hates the catholic church. You dont have the Holy Spirit so you do not know the truth.Here is arch satanist Pope Francis, with arch satanist elon musk. Your religion is a worthless fraud and a giant deception and you are too stupid to figure it out.Earth is also flat, anyone teaching is a round spinning ball is decieved/a deciever.
>>532268117I can beat you in chess, so I am smarter than you dipshit.
Where are all the morons asking for examples of the book and why are they not responding to the examples provided????
>>532268382The only one not properly responding is you. Youre just insulting people
>>532268382You've made an error in argument. The burden of proof is on you. No one here is obligated or should respond to your argument as you have not presented one. You make a claim, and then demand we interact with an external text to participate. You made the claim, yet you are not convicted enough to espouse or defend it yourself, only telling others to go read it. It would be like I made the claim the sky is green, told you to read some book, and refused to engage you until you've done as I've told you. No one gives a fuck you read a book by some who that espouses lies. Defend your own argument with what you read, not point to the book and demand others read it to entertain your retardation.
>>532259825the catholic church is a mother-goddess cult sect of Christianity
>>532269378It's the main branch. I don't know how you people try to dismiss it as some fringe sect. It is and has been the main branch of Christianity for 2000 years.
>"Yes I go to church, I am a catholic">"Christmas is Jesus birthday, not a pagan holiday">"Trust the Pope! He was appointed by Holy Men, ignore his riches and powers, Jesus slept on the ground but he wanted his chosen people to live in luxury">"Earth is not flat, lol retard">"We dont keep the 4th commandment, the sabbath, thats only for judaizers">"Yes we can eat pork now, Jesus totally made all animals clean">"Im not allowed to read the bible without a priest explaining what the verses means, also we have the cathecism anyway">"If I visit my magic church building every sunday I will go to heaven">"Yes I am vaxxed and marked, how did you know?">"You claim you are guided by the Holy Spirit and God talks to you? But you are not a catholic?! You are being led by demons, repent prelest!"
>>532269549You know they anathematised the Gospel at the council of Trent which took place after the Protestant Reformation, right? The Eastern Orthodox did the same with the confession of Dositheus which was basically Dositheus disavowing the previous bishop of Constantinople, a man called Cyril Lucaris, who in essence echoed that Calvin was right about justification by faith alone.
>>532269378Nameless is the origin of Heaven and EarthThe Named is the mother of all things.
Christianity was originally a form of jewish organized crime masquerading as a religion to go under the radar of the roman authorities. This fake man made religion is based on worshipping and adoring jews, and a christian should be considered a jew regardless of his race, because christianity is nothing but universal reform judaism sold under another brand name.
>>532270674As usual bearing false witness against the Church.
>>532270674How do you explain the thousands of testimonies of people shown hell? Or the testimonies of people being supernaturally set free from drug addiction in a single day?
Protestants hate Catholicism because deep down they know they destroyed something of value and, as a result, turned the Western world into one big Jewish brothel.No wonder Martin Luther admired Jews his whole life. "B-But... the book he wrote!" ... yeah, the book he wrote at the end of his life, as a way to try to protect his new subversive religion from the accusations (correct, by the way) that he was merely a spiritual Jew subverting the West.
>>532270674What was there to corrupt in rome? They were already usurer pieces of shit. Typical nazi moron.
>>532271560Brother watch this:https://youtu.be/o6TRjNisRAMChrist is my Saviour. He did it all. There is no room left for boasting. Nothing else to trust in. Just Christ. My God. My Saviour.
>>532271825Faith alone is false doctrine and these pastors are lying to you.Jesus said "If you want to enter into life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS"Only those who keep the commandments and repent of sins will go to heaven.>14Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by its gates.>15But outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.…
>>532272167KJV says Do his commandments will have the right to the tree of life:14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
>>532272167>>532272217Romans 10:9:>because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.John 6:28-29:>Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”John 6:37-40:>All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”John 3:16>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.Titus 3:4-7:>But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.Galatians 2:16:>yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.Ephesians 1:13-14:>In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
>>532260012The old testament, published around 350 AD, plagiarized the Enuma Elish, scribed on clay tablets 4000 years before the bible. The writers of the old testament subverted the book to create their religion. The old testament reads like a jewish history book.
>>532272677It is true that there must also be good works though. As Ephesians 1:13-14 shows, when we believe in Jesus we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit that John that baptist speaks of in Matthew 3:11:>“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.This is the baptism that 'saves', and it comes at the point of faith. Baptism just means immersion. So when we have faith, we are immersed in the Holy Spirit.Now the Holy Spirit is a good tree, and a good tree must bear good fruit, as per Matthew 7:18-20.Therefore if we truly believe, we are immersed in the Holy Spirit; and if we have the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit as a good tree must bear good fruits. As such we can heartily affirm that "faith without works is dead." If there are no works, then there is no Holy Spirit; and if there is no Holy Spirit, there was never any works.We are not saved by these works though, they are instead the fruit of us having been saved. We are justified by our faith in the sight of God, before our obedience.Romans 4:1-8:>What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in[a] him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:>7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,> and whose sins are covered;>8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
>>532272950>and if there is no Holy Spirit, there was never any works.and if there is no Holy Spirit, there was never any faith. **Apologies for the mistake.God bless everyone. Trust in Christ alone.Ephesians 2:1-9:>And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course[a] of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the flesh and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.[b] 4 But[c] God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.Galatians 6:14:>But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
>>532272677So? Is the book of revelation lying or whats your point?And look at the verse from titus you posted:>so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.>MIGHT>HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFEThere is no faith alone and there is no once saved always saved. You must repent of all sins and keep the commandments to go to heaven. You will burn in hell if you believe in faith alone. You were misled. Read Galatians 5:19-21 and Revelation 21:8
>>532259762I don’t care
>>532273133Go and read Romans 4:1-8. Actually read all of Romans 4. It clearly articulates that we are counted as righteous, which means our sins are not counted against us, when we believe. It specifically says when we believe even if we do not work, presumably because Paul anticipated the heresies that you speak. Later in the passage it speaks about whether Abraham was justified when e believed God before he was circumcised, or when he obeyed God and got circumcised; and it says clearly: it was before.It is our faith that saves us.However that faith will lead to the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit will lead to a changed life. If the Christian is saying they can live as an adulterer, a murderer or a homosexual; they are in error. They must repent.It is worth remembering that if they truly believe, that their sins will not be counted against them. Alongside Abraham in Romans 4, David is given as an example. King David who was a murderer and an adulterer; and we are told his sins were not counted against him because he believed; however, having the Holy Spirit in him, he was convicted of his sin and repented when he was confronted by Nathan over it. The true Christian will still sin; but he will be convicted of sin and will repent of it, and over time he will be sanctified by the Holy Spirit, as it is through the Spirit that the Christian lives, having put to death his old flesh (the sinful desires of the body).
I'm reading a book in French too. But my book is both older and better than your book.
>>532273133>Titus 3:7Other translation:>that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.Note also that we have already been told in verse 5 that we are definitively saved.The Greek is the word 'elpida' which translates to 'hope'. The context is not saying "well we might attain it if we are also good boys", it is saying that we are trusting in our only "hope" who is Jesus, who has saved us.>So? Is the book of revelation lying or whats your point?I have no idea what you are talking about. What in Revelation do you think is against the simple truth of the Gospel?
>>532273503>The true Christian will still sin; but he will be convicted of sin and will repent of it, and over time he will be sanctified by the Holy Spirit, as it is through the Spirit that the Christian lives, having put to death his old flesh (the sinful desires of the body).There is no such guarantee. A born again Christian still has free will and if he continues to sin he will be cut off from Christ and eventually end up in the lake of fire. (John 15:6)Galatians 5:19–2119 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.>>532273503>presumably because Paul anticipated the heresies that you speakJesus said if you want to enter into heaven, keep the commandments. Revelation says only those who keep the commandments have the right to the tree of life. It also states which sins will send a person to the lake of fire.There is no once saved always saved. The covid 19 vaccine was the mark of the beast, which means most christians have lost their salvation in 2020. All liars will have their part in the lake of fire, including born again believers who practice a lie.
Top 5 Christian Copes1. Jesus was not a Jew.2. The Ashkenazim are not the "real Jews"3. White people are "the real Jews"4. The New Testament (written by Jews) nulls and voids the Old Testament (also written by Jews)****That's not what the not so holy book says:“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law, or the Prophets. I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them."For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:17-18If still in doubt as to Rabbi Jesus' full support of Jewry, the rabbi just loved him some Pharisee. “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach." Matthew 13:22-23Jesus only turned on the pharisees AFTER they rejected him as the Jewish messiah that would kick Gentile ass.5. Jews hate ChristianityChristianity is an ancient jewish curse.
>>532264135Didn't martin luther say he was inspired by the tahwedo Ethiopian church or something, or maybe in thinking of another person
>>532273837Sorry, the translation of 'might' vs 'should' vs 'made' is actually this:γενηθῶμεν (genēthōmen) — 1 OccurrenceTitus 3:7 V-ASP-1PGRK: χάριτι κληρονόμοι γενηθῶμεν κατ' ἐλπίδαNAS: by His grace we would be made heirsKJV: grace, we should be made heirsINT: grace heirs we should become according to [the] hopeIt's a definite salvation. By His grace we are made justified we are made heirs according to the hope in Jesus Christ.>There is no such guarantee. A born again Christian still has free will and if he continues to sin he will be cut off from Christ and eventually end up in the lake of fire. (John 15:6)John 15:6 is talking about unbelievers who are not in Him.John 6:44:> No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.John 6:37-40:>All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”That is why I believe if we truly believe, we are saved. It is also echoed in Ephesians 1:13-14:>In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.We are sealed with the Holy Spirit. For those who are in Christ:Romans 8:1:>There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
>>532259825The Vatican is owned and operated by those who help kill your "god"
Christianity's spread through Europe wasn't just about salvation—it was a Trojan horse for racial mixing. Missionaries preached universal brotherhood, ignoring biological differences. Small nations like the Irish and Scots were flooded with African slaves and Middle Eastern traders under Christian 'tolerance.' This spiritual egalitarianism paved the way for the modern white genocide agenda.
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>>532259762Just buy and read the fucking "Iota Unum: A Study of Changes in the Catholic Church in the Xxth Century" and then we will talk.Modern day Catholic Church has very little to do with the Catholic Church before Vaticanum II.
>>532274180>John 15:6 is talking about unbelievers who are not in Him.You are a liar or an idiot. John 15:6 is 100% about believers, you shamelessly lie intentionally, or since you believe in OSAS which means you dont have the Holy Spirit and cannot rightly divide and understand scripture.The True Vine1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.2Every branch in Me (ONLY BELIEVERS ARE ATTCHED TO JESUS) that does not bear fruit He takes away (PRODUCE FRUITS THAT COMES FROM OBEDIENCE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, OR BE REMOVED); and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. (UNBELIEVERS DONT EVEN KNOW THE WORDS OF JESUS)4Abide in Me, and I in you. (ONLY BELIEVERS ARE ABIDING IN JESUS CHRIST TO BEGIN WITH)As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. (ONLY BELIEVERS ARE ABLE TO ABIDE IN CHRIST)5“I am the vine, you are the branches. (CHRISTIANS GRAFTED INTO THE VINE) He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not abide in Me(CHRISTIAN BRANCH WHO CHOOSE TO BE DISOBEDIENT), he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7-----IF------ you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.Love and Joy Perfected>9“As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; ------abide in My love----- (A CHOICE). 10------------------IF--------------- you keep My COMMANDMENTS, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.If you still can't see it, then its because you are not a child of christ. His sheep hears his voice and FOLLOW HIM. You are preaching a doctrine where the road is broad
>>532274759Those "evil Pagans" were your flesh and blood ancestors. You shit on your own flesh and blood to suck the dicks of Jews. You are a coward and a piece of shite. This is the Jew filth that you worship.
>>532274915God burns 99% of mankind in hellfire forever, including majority of christians will burn in the lake of fire.You either kiss God's hand and beg like a dog everyday for mercy or you get sent to magic lava realm where you are eternally tormented for a gazillion years.
>>532274264My God is an immortal, and so am I.
>>532274759Alternate straightforward interpretation is that He is saying that those who are not abiding in Him, which the branches are; will be destroyed.How do you explain John 6:44 and John 6:37-40?To me it sounds a lot like OSAS. Factor in how we are told salvation works; which is that we believe, and then receive the Holy Spirit, and that the Holy Spirit will then work within us, convicting us of sin and encouraging us to good works.Matthew 3:11>“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.Ephesians 1:13-14:>In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.So my understanding would be that if we truly believe, then we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. With the Holy Spirit in us, we cannot walk away, He is the guarantee of our salvation.As John 6 tells us; we cannot come to Jesus unless the Father calls us; and Jesus will not lose any that the Father has given Him, but will raise us up on the last day.Therefore we cannot be branches unless the Father has called us. We cannot be true believing Christians unless we are called by the Father first. And if we are called, we are indwelled by the Holy Spirit who sanctify us; and Jesus tells us He will not lose us.Sounds like OSAS to me.
Burning bibles and rosaries is a true act of righteousness. The purge of IslamoJudaicChristianity will be glorious.
>>532259953>Read the book.No. You were asked a question about something YOU read, I'm not wasting my time reading some hundreds of pages of Baptist Evangelical clap-trap if you can't provide a few basic points about the book's argument.
>>532275102Be called and even answering the call doesnt guarantee you go to heaven. Only those who endure to the end will be saved. You can depart from the faith, you can shipwreck it, you can be cut off and burnt, you can fail the grace of God.OSAS is such a strong delusion that I honestly don't think people can wake up from it once they believe in it.This is Jesus parable about one of children not producing fruit in a timely manner, and eventually the tree is cut down and burned:Luke 13:6-9 (NIV)“Then he told this parable: ‘A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, “For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?”“‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’”
>>532262850>The Bible is God's word You believe in a pseudo Islam
>>532275102>John 6>39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”Its God's will that none perishes, but still majority will, believers and unbelievers. God wills many things that sadly doesnt happen. One of Gods will is that we abstain from sexual immorality, yet many christians are known to be stuck in fornication>3For it is God’s will that you should be holy: You must abstain from sexual immorality; 4each of you must know how to control his own body in holiness and honor,…
>>532275341>Be called and even answering the call doesnt guarantee you go to heaven.John 6:44:>No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last dayJohn 6:37-40:>All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”What you are saying does not align with Scripture.Regarding fruit, good works, good deeds; I agree the true believer will do have good fruit and do good deeds. This is the consequence of their true faith, which has them sealed with the Holy Spirit. This is what the Bible teaches. Ephesians 1:13-14 flat out tells us that we when we believe we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.We do our good works and produce good fruit because the Holy Spirit is in us. The Holy Spirit is only in us when we believe. It is not when we eat bread or have water applied to us; the method laid out in Ephesians 1:13-14 is shown in Acts 10:44-48; they hear Peter preach the Gospel, they believe it, then they receive the Holy Spirit. They are only baptised in water after they have already received the Holy Spirit which is the guarantee of their salvation.Note; people can say they are Christians and not be. They can say they believe, but they actually do not. If they truly believe, they have the Holy Spirit.If they have the Holy Spirit, they are saved. The Holy Spirit will produce good fruit in them. They can only believe if the Father has drawn them; and if the Father has given them to Christ, Jesus Himself tells us He will not lose us, but will raise up on the last day.
>Claim to believe Christ’s teachings>Christ says His Flesh is true food and His Blood is true drink in John 6>Emphasize that we abide in Him if we eat His Flesh and drink His Blood>Jews say this teaching is hard, then leave Jesus (John 6:66)>Jesus lets the Jews leave and doesn’t correct them to say He was just speaking symbolically>At the Last Supper in the synoptic Gospels, Jesus says the bread and wine are His Body and BloodImagine reading this and then STILL saying the Eucharist isn’t actually Christ’s Body and Blood, but just some symbol or spiritual representation of Jesus. What more would Jesus have to say than what He already said for you to think He wasn’t being metaphorical?
>>532260578How very Christian Maybe it's time to actually read the New Testament lil bro
My biggest regret as a christian is that I wasted like 5 years trying to show bible verses and reason with OSAS/FAITH ALONE retards. How stupid do you have to fucking be to think all you have to do as a christian is "believe once = guaranteed heaven" when entire bible tells you the road is narrow, only few find it, pick up your cross daily, dont take the mark of the beast (c19 vaccine), forsake your family, endure to the end, forgive or you wont be forgiven etcI let my sympathy and empathy for misled people steal a large amount of my time that could have been used productively elsewhere. Jesus told me not to throw pearls to swine, and let the dead bury the dead.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvvHgqjw338
>>532275699You are so dumb. Free will doesn't disappear from believers. Having the Holy Spirit isnt a guarantee that you will produce good fruits, because a relationship with Jesus Christ is dependent on your complience and obedience to him. You are preaching some form of calvinism, that sounds similiar to "perserverance of the saints".A christian must make the choice daily to actively obey Jesus Christ, to willingly repent of sins. You can have the Holy Spirit and decide not to carry your cross, and get high and party, and you will be convicted which you can choose to ignore and eventually you will be cut off and cast into the lake of fire, where all born again believers who don't overcome this world will end up. All born again christians who dont stop lying, looking at women with lust on the streets (matthew 5:27-30), masturbators, thieves etc they will all be told Depart from me you who Breaks Gods laws
>>532275791It's actually like this...Jesus is speaking to fisher men, so He makes analogies to fishing. "You will be fishers of men".Jesus is at a water well, so He makes analogies to water. "I will give you living water".Jesus goes up the mountain in the morning as the sun is rising; "I am the light of the world".Jesus speaks to shepherds and people in a pasture; "I am the good shepherd."Jesus feeds 5000 people bread. He then says He is the bread of life. Interspersed through this speech He clarifies what He means over and over again, and literally says:John 6:28-29:>Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” John 6:40> For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”John 6:47:>Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.Jesus uses metaphors and analogies to reach people. If John who writes about the 'bread of life' in John 6 intended for the rite of Communion/ the Eucharist to be its fulfilment; don't you think he would have mentioned it in his Last Supper account? He does not. The Gospel of John does not include Jesus saying "take this bread as my body."It's in places like Luke where it says to do it in remembrance of Him.Luke 22:19> And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”In Matthew it does not say to do it in remembrance, but as Luke does; we can know the Memorialist perspective is correct.
>>532261048>Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ>Believe onSouthern Baptistism, complete with Southern Retard Dialect James 5:16 >Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed1 John 1:9>If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousnessMatthew 18:18>Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. John 20>The disciples were filled with joy when they saw the Lord. 21 “Peace be with you,” Jesus said to them again. “As the Father has sent me, so I send you.”>After saying this, he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven. If you retain anyone’s sins, they are retained.”Our "traditions of men" are described in Revelation and are practiced in all branches of Christianity going back 2000 years, except for the one that you belong to that only exists because King Henry wanted to divorce his wife for reasons other than infidelity (Despite Jesus being very explicit in Matthew 19:9 "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery"), and because Martin Luther the Lawyer thought that when the Jewish Lawyers he hung around with referred to the Church practices as Idolatry that they were talking about the statues (They were talking about Christ, not statues. Jews consider the worship of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, to be Idolatry), and also that he ought to be able to pimp out nuns for political favors.
>>532269378>mother-goddess?It's a lot more sol invictus than anything gaia-eseque, are you mistaking imploring the dead to pray along you as thinking they're some gods?
Hebrews 10: 26 NKJVFor if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.Hebrews 10:29 NLTJust think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us. These verses teach us that by willfully sinning after knowing the truth of the gospel, you are trampling on the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. You are spitting on the death of Jesus Christ and viewing it as something common. By rejecting God’s commandments and refusing to live in obedience, you are insulting the Holy Spirit and treating God’s grace with scorn and contempt. These verses clearly state, that if you know the truth of this and continue to ignore it, your punishment will be severe.
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.Galatians 6:7-8 KJV
>>532276165I cannot quote the whole thing in one post unfortunately. Read Romans 7:15-25; 8:1-11:Paul tells us he continues to sin because of his flesh, but his mind wants to do good. He is not condemned for his sin because he is in Jesus. We now live by the Holy Spirit, "if indeed the Holy Spirit is in you", and that is how we are able to actually be Christians. Our own efforts are incapable; it is by the Holy Spirit that we can do anything.
>>532261431>>532261332>The catholic church is startedNot really.>The catholic church did not exist until centuries after the New Testament was finishedThe Ecclesiastica Kataholos (The Catholic Church) is mentioned in Acts 9:31 and refers to the true faith going back to Adam. Southern Baptist and Anglo Retards of the "God isn't Allah" variety can't comprehend other languages, which makes them easy to manipulate with shit like "The Greek said impaled on a pike, not hung on a cross". The Catholic Church is the only reason you HAVE a New Testament.
>>532276560Paul was a saint, not someone stuck in sin. You and many others think Paul was sinful in Romans 7.And its not impossible to stop doing individual sins without the Holy Spirit, look at nofap.com, they have pagans and unbelievers who stops watching pornographyhttps://youtu.be/ZVI8LnsUiH4
>>532261048although there are some obviously good arguments against catholicism out there — for example, that they have significantly liberalized and, at this point, advocate for the importation of islam and destruction of christendom — it seems to me that most protestant arguments against catholicism come down to “I don’t want to actually do anything to repent for my sins. I’m going to sin as much as I want and declare myself forgiven whenever I want. Jesus already died for my sins, so I don’t even need to stop sinning or go to church or anything. I’d rather go to a therapist than a priest.”
>>532270736>How do you explain the thousands of testimonies of people shown hell? Or the testimonies of people being supernaturally set free from drug addiction in a single day?Hallucinations after being indoctrinated with christian dogma. I believe it is called "mass formation psychosis". See the swedish witch hunts in the 17th century.
its because theye npcs bro. thats not a joke or an exaggeration. the churches churn them out like a faxtory for npcs. they all repeat the same lines word for word, like robots, havent had a patch update in 2000 years. honestly, sometimes you feel like youre living in night at the museum when along jews and jew worshippers.
>>532274915>Those "evil Pagans" were your flesh and blood ancestors.Yes, And?Superstition wasn't banished under Pagan religion, it was encouraged.
>>532276269In those other examples you cite (fishers of men, light of the world, and we can look to others), we don’t see the disciples quarreling and leaving Jesus. Also, none of the clarifying verses you cite contradict what I am saying. To believe Jesus is to also do what He says. Jesus says to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood.Given what John already discloses in John 6, there is no need for him to repeat in the Last Supper discourse what is already found in the synoptics. And even if John DID say something similar, you would still not change your position.Finally, you still didn’t answer my fundamental question: What more would Jesus have to say for you to believe that He wasn’t speaking symbolically or metaphorically about the Eucharist?
>>532274536>Modern day Catholic Church has very little to do with the Catholic Church before Vaticanum II.This is a common christian lie. I mean, they lie like jews. Which they actually are, they are universal reform jews. See pic related from 1937.
>>532260872So you're saying its the least jewish form of christianity, thanks to its heavy root in pagan cults that were never absorbed fully culturally?You're sure you're a native european? How is that new to you?Were christian in name to calm the woman's sluttery, the rulers are christian for power.
>>532277129You can find the corpse of the 12 Apostles, analyze their DNA, and see who is the true Jew from there.
>>532274343>it was a Trojan horse for racial mixingThen why were there religious exhortations against it?Why was it uncommon until you abandoned Christianity?Why do you pagan fucks always lie about the timelines to blame Christianity for all the ills of Europe when the ills didn't befall Europe until after you abandoned Christianity?
>>532262158Because it's where Saint Peter and many other Christians were martyred. Christians have a thing of making locations of martyrs holy sites
>>532277248If you're going to lie, then what makes you different from Jews?If you're going to worship your blood and your race as supreme, then what makes you different from Jews?
>>532259762I'll take a hard pass on wasting my time, but I'll gladly continue mocking the catholic faith for their iniquities.
>>5322768661 John 1:7-10:>But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.Galatians 2:16-21:>yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.>17 But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.We still sin.>>532276497I recommend this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euGY5pQyXH0Great verses though, I used to torn because of them. The aforementioned verses seem to point to OSAS; those ones (and to a lesser extent stuff like the seeds falling on the stony ground) sound like we can lose out faith.God bless.
>>532277662Those who sin belongs to the devil
>>532259825>Claims to be of God>But hold on we have to insert our middle-man a fallen human the pope to "interpret" God's wordsGod doesn't need an interpreter.He speaks clearly and directly to individuals.There were no popes in the Old or New Testament.Your entire religion is a fraud.>>532261048Valid points.
The prodigal son was DEAD in his tresspassesThe verse is Luke 15:24 (KJV):“For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.”There’s also a similar line in Luke 15:32, when the father says to the older brother:“It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.”
>>532277849>And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.2026 years and counting. All anti-christ will go to Hell.
>>532277211If Jesus never said that you have to believe in John 6, it would be more convincing. If He said it in other places, it would be more convincing. If He did not say to "do this in remembrance of me" but rather "do this to receive grace", it would be impossible to ignore. If He did not say in countless other places, believe, with no mention of eating bread. If the letters of Peter and Paul mentioned it; it might be more convincing.The rite of baptism being a means of acquiring saving grace is more difficult, and were it not for passages like Matthew 3:11, Ephesians 1:13-14 and Acts 10:44-48; we might be confused into thinking that the water imparts grace, as opposed to it being a public confession of the faith we already have, with that faith being what has us baptised with the Holy Spirit, which is the baptism that saves. Note also Acts 8:37 where Philip makes sure the Ethiopian truly believes before he will baptise him in water; if the grace that allows belief was effectively imparted (even in part) with the water baptism, then surely Philip would not have said:Acts 8:36-37:>Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?”>37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”>And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
>>532259762Semi-unrelated, but is there a Catholic Talmud or collection of Hadiths where we can get a list of all of the weird legends and rules that are not in the Bible?
>>532262513Rules exist because someone drastically abused society's benevolences.This is a collective punition, sure, but it's always needed IF those rules were made for your people.
>>532277937Exactly. He went away and came back. The confusing interpretation of Hebrews 10:26 would mean he could not come back.Keep watching that video and God bless you. Trust in Christ alone. I can tell by your passion that God is important to you and hope we can meet in heaven one day. Just please do not boast in your works or good deeds; this is what Jesus warns against in Matthew 7:21-23 and Paul tells us not to do in Galatians 6:14. Trust in Christ. By His wounds we are healed.
>>532278559Jesus does not turn people away for helping the poor, casting out demons or doing good works.He tells them to depart for practicing lawlessness.King James BibleAnd then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that ---work iniquity.---New King James VersionAnd then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who ----practice lawlessness!’----Amplified BibleAnd then I will declare to them publicly, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME [you are banished from My presence], YOU WHO ACT WICKEDLY [disregarding My commands].’Weymouth New Testament"And then I will tell them plainly, "'I never knew you: begone from me, you doers of wickedness.'of lawlessness!’ἀνομίαν (anomian)Noun - Accusative Feminine SingularStrong's 458: Lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin. From anomos; illegality, i.e. Violation of law or wickedness.
Paul knew he could become reprobate unless he kept his fleshly body under strong subjection (denying the flesh)>But I keep control of my body, and bring it into subjection, lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway/disqualified.>disqualified.>ἀδόκιμος (adokimos)>Adjective - Nominative Masculine Singular>Strong's 96: Failing to pass the test, unapproved, counterfeit. By implication, worthless.This is the same word used for the Romans 1:28 reprobate
>>532278022It makes plenty of sense for Jesus to command and reiterate belief in John 6. It would require a LOT of faith in Christ to believe that the bread and wine become His Body and Blood and that we are to eat Him. He even used the double amen in affirming that we have no life unless we eat His Flesh and drink His Blood (6:53). It is interesting that a majority of your response to my final question is just statements that would make it “more convincing,” which would still give you wiggle room to reject Christ’s teachings. You do say that if Jesus said “do this to receive grace” it is impossible to ignore. But what is grace but the Divine Life in our souls? Look at the verse I just cited. And then in John 6:54 Jesus says whoever eats His Flesh and drinks His Blood has eternal life. Sounds like grace to me. And I would appreciate it if you could find other verses where Jesus uses the exact language you are looking for: “Do this to receive grace.”If that’s still not good enough, tell me what else Jesus needs to say. Not say to be “more convincing.” Unless your exact formulation is the only thing that would convince you definitively?Also, regarding your Baptism commentary, in 1 Peter 3:21, he himself says baptism saves. I’m not particularly interested in this discussion. Just the Eucharist.
>>532279603By the same token, have you read John 3:16, Romans 3:21-30, Romans 4:1-8, Galatians 2:16, Ephesians 2:1-9, Titus 3: -7, Philipians 3:1-11, 1 Peter 2:24, etc, etc.The bread being an analogy of the passover meal referencing faith is an obvious potential interpretation for John 6. Meanwhile the myriad other verses mentioning being saved by Christ's offering on the cross received through faith and given by grace are impossible to link to bread unless it is a metaphor for faith.If the rite of communion was so important; why did John not mention it in his Gospel? Why does it not accompany any of the other writings on how we are saved?
>>532259762Sounds like /x/ shit
>>532260130That's a really good argument against the Church.
>>532278559Did you ever have a personal supernatural encounter with Jesus Christ? When did you know you were saved and recieved the Holy Spirit?
>>532280209Sound like a paradox born out of stupidity. Don't be such a vague cunt and tell me more.https://x.com/i/status/2039782319418937398
>>532259825Get wrecked papist.
>>532280661Wrecked by whom?
>>532277307ita a bunch of random people they buried, probably not even jewish, as i doubt they would have wasted a jew on such a trickprobably people from all over the world12 apostles werent even realshimon peter and shimon magus were the same character, having a jewish schizophrenic episode. guy was the first bishop of rome? he never even stepped foot in rome.
>>532280306The Holy Spirit convicts me of sin and encourages me to good works. I have given up drinking completely when before I was a drunkard. I often feel compelled to offer food to the homeless or offer help.Ultimately I do not put trust in anything I have seen, felt or done though. I put my trust in Christ alone, and I believe Him when He says He will raise me up on the last day if I turn to Him, trust Him and follow Him. The changes in my life can be an evidence to others; but for me its all about trusting in Jesus. He paid my ransom on the cross and then rose again on the third day and ascended in glory to the right hand of the Father.
>>532280884Why should I believe you compare to them? And lol. Of course. How do you even know what is a Jew?
>>532280118Unfortunately, I have to go. I am still disappointed with a lack of clearer response as to what Jesus would need to say for you to believe that the bread and wine and truly His Body and Blood, and not just a symbol or metaphor.I appreciate our discussion and will pray for you. Have a blessed Easter
>>532259762The best thing about Catholicism is how much Catholics are hated by Jews. As a Protestant, I have no problem with Catholics as they are my brothers in Christ, but boy do they make political judaism faction uneasy. Such is the way with great power competition.
>>532277202you watch too many jewish hollywood movies anonsuperstitions are way more common in the jewish religions than in the pagan ones.666, 6, 7, 144,000 just numbers to name a few.isnt there a whole story about jonah jumping off a boat because hes convinced his jew god is causing the storm, and then he gets swallowed by a whale and taxi'd around the Mediterranean? what do you think the moral of that story is? its to be retarded.what about the ending of Mark, where it says you can tread tide pod and bleach smoothies for breakfast, and can lay your hands on any sick person and cure them so long as you believe in a jew as your god? and that all npcs go to heaven? thats superstitious as fuck.
>>532259825Yes, and without lying.
>>532281570Say it loundly then. What do you believe?
>>532277516vatican 1 - bankrolled by jewsvatican 2 - bankrolled by jews
>>532281526666 - number of the beast6 - number of man [created Day 6]7 - complete/perfect number/set144,000 - 12,000 young Jewish men from 12 of the tribes sealed in the tribulation to be witnesses.None of this is kabbalah; all of it is straight out of the bible.
>>532281653That the one true church is built on the foundation of all the apostles and all the prophets and is a collection of all born again Christians, all new creations in Christ Jesus, from Pentecost to the Rapture bound together by the Holy Spirit into one Body of Christ, with Jesus as its head.Your church is built on Peter with the pope as its head, and contains mostly unregenerated pagans.
>>532259762>Still arguing about one way of being slave to the jews christcuck or the other. Still fearing the jewish "god"Jews are right about the goyim. SAD
>>532281685When you owe the Bank a million dollars, they own you.When you owe the Bank 4 billion dollars, you own them.
>>532281838It is a fearful thing to be in the hands of the living God; you should fear that, and by fearing God, begin the path to wisdom.
>>532281816My church is built on the authority of the Almighty God. It shall never perish, and it will last forever. Nothing can destroy it. No power in the world can overcome it. My God is the Almighty Being outaide space and times, and I am the chosen ONE of that Almighty God.
>>532260578why make a thread if you're not even willing to discuss the topic you fucking looney troon
>>532281971Nope.You're neo-Babylonian pagans calling the Queen of Heaven "Mary" instead of her previous names, beginning with Nimrod's wife/mother, Semiramis, cum Ishtar, cum Asherah, cum "Mary".You keep Lent as they keep Lent.
>>532282060In all Heaven and EarthIn all that existed and will exist for all of EternityI, alone, am the chosen ONE of God.
>>532282141Yup, Jesus warned us of losers claiming to be the messiah in the end days, filled with deception.And here you are, right on cue.
>>532282260Deception is sign of weakness. I have no weakness, as my God is the Almighty Supreme. I have no reason to lie.
>>532281115phrenology, the antisemitic scienceforeskin checksjewy voices brought about from metzizah b'peh, and speaking a meme language where every place a vowel out to be sounds like coughing up a loogie, this bleeds over into other accents, famously, the jew york accent.oaths are meaningless to a jew, so theres nothing you can get them to say to be assured theyre not a jew, so primarily the aforementioned, complemented with behavioral observation (i.e. opting for a memeflag). take one look at where theyre living and you can probably tell. go inside, and you should smell moth balls and a very distinct jew smell, which is really, indescribable. idk what that is, frankencense, or whatnot. but we know it as simply 'jew'.its pretty rich a jew worship shilling chatbot/possibly even a jew pretending to be a jew worshipper is criticizing others' noticing ability, when jew worshippers aptitude for noticing jews is non-existant.
>>532282382Compare these things to the 12 apostles, and lets see if there is any semblance.
>>532281688yeah.. exactly, i demonstrated jewish superstitions to you. theyre pervasive and you dont even notice them. why would we be talking about kabbalah? its just as jewish, youll find just as many superstitions as in the bible. i didnt realize you were a kabbalist. same jews, same nonsense, same superstitiousness. theyre only the gutter of mankind, what else would you expect of them? spiritual wisdom? lol.
>>532282462the church would never in a million years allow you to dig up those tombs. either there will either be no one there, they wont be jewish, or they will have died centuries after they were supposed to, all proving its fake and gay. the church has nothing to gain from allowing that.but judging by their shart of turin disclosure, it looks like jews are getting ready to close up shop pretty soon, now that christcucks have helped conquer their own nations for jews and irrevocably created a system of slavery for which people might never get out of. they will soon no longer have a use for christianity, so that may be the day.but just that shimon magus vs. shimon peter battle demonstrates the superstition. shimon magus summons a fiery chariot naruto/ff7 style and rides it into the air, and peter just orders him to stop, and so he does. and falls. and dies. as if that actually works. clearly this is all happening in his mind and the dude is just a jewish schizo and that shit never even happened. but christcucks are retarded npcs, and theyll believe it.
The world cannot heal until all records of abrahamic religions are destroyed.
>>532283452Lmao. You sure put those anti-christ cunts on high place. You are just a loser, and so are them.Israel is a shitheap nation of worthless loser full of crying toddler shitting diaper.They are not a group of powerful conquering King. Just a bunch of worthless merchants.
>>532283622now imagine what a bunch of merchants with 2 billion slaves can accomplish
>>532283614I think we should kill all the atheists and anti Christians first
>>532283990A bunch of merchants will always remain a merchant. The ones that are slave to them are the ones that are slave to Money.The goycattles you believe to be yours have no real loyalty beyond Money.You have no real Power.
