Today the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of humanity. Christ is King.
>jesus died so epstein can experience paradise
>>532270538And then his superstitious followers used his brand name to enslave humanity for 2000 years. Rome never collapsed, the Roman corporations merely expanded and ditched Rome.
>>532270538Praise rabbi Yeshua, the Mosiach, son of Yahweh.
No it's his birthday
>>532270538Hanged alongside a thief, and what was Jesus pbuh's crime?
>>532270538lol you worship a pooner
>>532270538Then shouldn't you be thanking the jews for killing him?
>>532270538didn't he die yesterday (nisan 14)? Yes Christ is King though.
>>532270538Romans used to let the body rotten on the cross not let it removed after a couple of hours
>>532270538Who asked, christcuckYou worship a 2000 year old jewish pedophile cult leader
>>532271017He died on the 14th of Nisan which happened on a Friday that particular year. Christians always keep his passion and resurrection the same week as Nisan 14 but they like to keep the chronology of events.
>>532270538Do you think that rabbi Jeshua rode the dinos?
>>532270538He didn't stay dead though, did he? He was gone for what, three days? Jesus gave up his weekend for our sins. That's nice.
>>532270538Who's Jesus? Never met anyone by that name.
>>532270538>Christ is King.retard shibboleth. have some self respect.
>>532270538You can file that away in this folder
>>532270538only in the fairytale, and no he didn't resurrect
>>532270742He told truth and faggot kikes hated him. They seethe so much that they demanded Pontius to crucify him or else they will revolt. He stripped himself from all blame and said it's on the hand of kikes, they agreed and thus God fullfilled his 5D strategy because he knew from the start that kikes would do that and he resurrected himself 3 days after to flex and mog kikes for 40 days after what he returned to his realm promising to return. Happy end
>>532270538>humanityHebrews 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
>>532270538He died because he was too much of a coward to fight the Pharisees, unlike Chad emperors Titus and Vespasian and their heroic legions, or even his disciple Satan-Peter
>>532272008https://youtu.be/AyryP-UpztM
>>532270648>"But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea."- Matthew 18:6
>>532272957funny how after all that, he still called the non-jew woman a dog
>>532270538it's meme religion invented by grifter Saul of Tarsus
>>532270989no, they are enemies of god >"You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives."- Genesis 50:20
>>532273179yeah, because what really happened is that he broke up with the other jews and he was walking among the goys as if they were his revenge bf
So why does God keep making special Ed people that defies freewill which goes all the way back to Adam and Eve and the point of the fruit being for freewill if it’s not for freewill God made evil for no reason. Am I supposed to feel extremely bad that God is being hurt by man when God made hurt and man?Adam and Eve can make choices to make choices or tricked to make choices so God can save me from God and the things God made?
>>532271881see >>532273000
>>532273283Critters of the lord
>>532272372
Conjoined twins have suffered more than Jesus because they were forgotten like trash in the war of the worlds. Mocked by God and Satan in there schizo war which comes from them
>>532273183
Conjoined twins weren’t born normal and they don’t have freewill. But at least God and Satan can fight Give me a break
>>532273375get help shaboos goy
>>532270538>Today the Lord Jesus Christ diedhow do you know that it was "today"?nowhere in the bible it says that jesus specifically died april third year zero.do americans and christcucks really believe this?
God is limitless or limited?Better to live a full life on earth than a never-ending lie who mocks your intelligence which mind games
God and Satan make a good movie Conjoined twins suffering forced to look at each other on breathing tubes that doesn’t make a good movie All that matters is the romantic war of Man God and Satan
Love thy neighbor as thyself
You can hate me but I’m right just like your devil But I didn’t make your devilYour God did
>>532273671Who said the creator had to care? Be careful speaking for God is a sin just as me testing
Who fights for those forgotten? Why does Jesus make special Ed people even now? A sacrifice for who?
Sorry I’ll lower my IQ God
>>532271795According to the Gospels, Jesus was crucified at 9 a.m. and died at 3 p.m. He was taken down from the cross that same evening before the Sabbath began.
>>532271881Yeah that’s why Orthodox Jews have mock funerals for family members who convert to Christianity.
>>532270538Repent for celebrating pagan ishtar (easter). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmOU-kDm_kAThis holiday is not from God, it's from the devil
>>532270538*next friday
>>532270538The jews did this like always.
>>532270678Whites will win under the banner of Christ like they did for a thousand years. Kill yourself HT wannabe faggot, before I put a hole in your head for you, scum.Jesus Christ returns as Judge, Conqueror, and King.
>>532273463Are you just figuring out Easter changes each year?
>>532274379Judge of judaea, conqueror of gentiles, king of the jews, to be more accurate.Now, don’t forget to wash some nigger feet and donate ten percent of your shekhels to Israel, as Yeshua, Saul, Shimon and the rest of the 1st century kike troupe commanded.
>>532270538Indeed. Christ is King.Amen.
>>532273165>Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.>17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.same god btw, also your verse is about new believers, not literal children
>>532274888You're not listening 8-ball. You have no numbers without white Christians, we do not need you, you need us. Fall the fuck in line or you can breathe your last breath under my fucking boot as I proclaim Christ is King over your dying body.My ancestors, the ones who built this, they did it under the banner of Christ. You can cope and seethe about it all you want, but in the end every knee is going to bow.
>>532273463it is more the likely data, it don't need to be certain, but the significance and symbol is more important, for example... Catholics and Orthodox commemorate the Christmas in different date, but you already know this memeflag jeetnigger...
>>532271881You father and mom worshipped him too, this made you ancestors pedos ? you subhumans have some brainrot...
>>532275162You are here, besides it refers to a event that happened, not what you should dohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quoting_out_of_context
>Resurrected from the dead>LeavesFor what purpose?
Today is the anniversary of the greatest kike trick in history and the beginningof their absolute reign over the Western world.>be smarter than average rabbi>decide to try a different approach from the traditional kike ways>prop yourself up as a messiah born from a virgin conception >perform "miracles" and act gentle toward the gentile cattle>some of your people are so greedy and stupid they almost ruin your plans so you have to kick them out>make alliances with key figures within the Roman empire behind the scenes>once your name has spread and your cult has grown among the goyim, have a body double be tortured and killed in a great act of martyrdom >wait 3 days and "come back" from the dead to fully cement yourself as a holy figure, then fuck off>your allies within the government use the momentum created by these events to establish a new religion as well as the Catholic church, which will proceed to hold unimaginable wealth and power for centuries>as a bonus get the stupid goy cattle to worship symbols of torture and ideals of humiliation and martyrdom And thus the kikes won. The funniest part? Is that even today they still pull the same tricks (look at Epstein and Trump) and you idiots still fall for it every single time. You spend thread after thread talking about symbolism and numerology and yet fail to see the absurdly obvious symbols and signs right in front of your eyes, and then you proceed to spread your indoctrination without ever stopping to ponder what it is exactly you're spreading, and why your MO for doing so is so similar to kike protocols.
>>532270538REST IN PISS YOU WON'T BE MISSED
>>532270538>Christ is King.indeed
>>532272240He made a propitiation to the Father.
>>532274288Wrong. Eastern Orthodox celebrate on the wrong date.
>>532270538he'd have been crucified on Thursday, He was buried on Friday (the day of preparation before the Sabbath)He was supposed to be dead 3 days and 3 nights. That is died on Thursday (day 1), buried on Friday (night 1, day 2), was in the tomb on Saturday (night 2, day 3), and rose Sunday morning (night 3), as Hebrews do days from one sunset to the next sunset..if He was crucified and buried on Friday (day 1), in the tomb Saturday (night 1, day 2), and rose on Sunday morning (night 2)... He wouldn't have been in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights.
Christ is king. And Jews still seethe.
>>532277291>we are waiting for our messiah>our messiah will die crucified and will perfom miracles>no, not like that, he's letting other people be like us>rrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeIndeed.
>>532270538its in 9 days
The eternal high priest, and the word made flesh. Still makes so many people seethe.
>>532271960Ahh I see. We (Jehovah's witnesses) honor the death on Nisan 14th which was Thursday for us this year.
>>532276644So, himself? That's nice. You know when the rest of us die, we stay dead. That's main thing we're upset about with death. If it's not a permanent fuck you, then it kinda loses its importance.
>>532279818JW's are a cult and you should come out of it (denying the Deity of Christ is a heresy), but He did die on a Thursday rather than Friday.
>>532270538Thanks Jesus
>>532276395Take his place alongside God in Heaven
>>532270538Let us all celebrate with the most ancient shitpost which happens to be Yeshua's earliest depiction!
>>532280309Did he need to come back from the dead to do that? Why did he give up?
>>532274166And this doesn't make any sense, Romans they just could cut his head instead of crucifix him
>>532270538>Today the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of humanity.Why though? People will keep "sinning" no matter how many sons of god get crucified.
that cat could ball
>>532280082>John 14:28>John 17:3>John 20:17>Colossians 1:15>1st Corinthians 8:6>Matthew 26:39
>>532270538>"To me, the image of my sins moves me much more than this image of the crucified Christ. Faced with this image of the crucified Christ, I am led to pride myself at the price God paid for me. It is before the image of my sins that I feel small, seeing the price I sold myself for. Seeing that God buys me with all his blood, I am led to think that I am much, that I am worth much. But when I notice that I sell myself for the nothingness of the world, then I see that I am nothing. I am worth nothing."
>>532281065Yes. We all have sinned and will continue to sin because we are descendants of Adam and Eve, but Jesus was pure and perfect, he did not need to die but he sacrificed himself for us and for that we should honor him.
>WORSHIP JEWISH RABBI GOYIM
>>532270538
>>532280958crucifixion was a punishment for crimes against the roman empire, remember the sign on the cross saying that Jesus was the "King of the Jews" ? That probably wasn't made up by later christians, there's something legitimate about that claim, either Jesus was walking around claming ot be the future king of the jews "the Messiah" or his followers were repeting that.Romans arrested and killed him to prevent a revolt.
>>532281258>he did not need to die but he sacrificed himself for us and for that we should honor him.Indeed, he did not need to die, because his death didn't accomplish anything. That's why you are waiting for his second coming.
>>532281417>crucifixion was a punishmentThis is the thing it was a punishment this is why they used to let the bodies rotten on the cross , and this makes you understand that this story is a bullshit, and if you see what the true Pontius did and act you understand that was not a kind guy or wash the hands guy
>>532281417>Romans arrested and killed him to prevent a revolt.>While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent to him, saying, “Have nothing to do with that just Man, for I have suffered many things today in a dream because of Him.”>Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man.>When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it.”>And all the people answered and said, “His blood be on us and on our children.”romans didn't kill anyone, their authority specifically washed their hands of the matter and announced that they had nothing to do with it.Jesus Christ even told him so>Then Pilate said to Him, “Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?”>Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”>From then on Pilate sought to release Him, but the Jews cried out, saying, “If you let this Man go, you are not Caesar’s friend. Whoever makes himself a king speaks against Caesar.”
>>532270538NOBODY WILL REMEMBER A PERSON FROM IRAN I WILL BURN DOWN THEIR WHOLE COUNTRY THEY ALL WILL DIE NOT ONE WILL LIVE AND ANYONE WHO HELPS THEM WILL SUFFER FROM HORRIBLE ILLINESSES I DON’T PLAY AND NOW I AM DONE THEIR LAND IS FOREVER TAINTED BY THEIR SINS THEIR SOUL IS DESTROYED I ATE THEIR SOULS AND I NOW AM DONE WITH IT.NOW CLEAN UP TEXAS IT IS A TRASH HEAP DO THAT BEFORE I GIVE THEM THE SAME END TEXAS SHOULD BE 99% WHITE YHVHTHE GREAT YOD HEH VAV HEH!
>Sola Fide niggers believe they're rightthis thread reeks of prots
>>532273342The guy who walked around after Jesus died on the cross didn’t even look like him. It was an another schizophrenic Jew who pierced his hands to look like he was crusified and “came back in a different body”. The guys who spent every day with Jesus didn’t even belive it was him except “after they saw the wounds”. Which is nonsensical since he didn’t have the wounds for most of the time they knew him and he also had a face they talked to??? Like.. Also the religion was historically spread with violence and deception. They literally just lied to everyone until everyone was under the umbrella term of “Christian” then they decided what the religion actually was. Also every time Jews want to kill millions of white people they just tell them that it’s “revelations” time. Jesus isn’t coming back ever, the purpose of the church is to weaken and destroy mankind which consists of all white people and nobody else.
>>532281993How do you think romans would have treated someone acused of trying to revolt against them? Do you think the person would have a trial? The romans would just arrest and execute them. The whole Pilate and Jesus discussion is very unlikely to have happened, besides, all the apostles fled when Jesus got arrested, so who witnessed Jesus' trial?
>>532270538Mark the end of a shadow with a rock or something at 12. (Lunch)… that way you know next year when Jesus was killed by the Jews before lunch. Easter is: first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox
>>532270538If Jesus is your Lord, you could say so, out loud.You could say "Jesus is Lord!" out loud, out loud.Did I mention out loud?
>>532270538Dead kike award
>>532283008John.John the beloved apostle was hooked into high society and had access, and was at the trial while Peter stayed outside.Pilate's wife had a dream that disturbed her greatly, and she told Pilate to have nothing to do with this Jesus person.Evidently he relied upon this warning, as well as the obvious fact that the Jews were trying to get rid of someone who was not a criminal at all, but a threat to their positions and authority.
>>532283008Why are you arguing with me on the basis that everything is fake and that it didn't happen ? What's the point of the argument ? What's the point of your hypothesis ? Why would they matter ? How Isaiah knew Jesus Christ almost 600 years before He was born ?
>>532283619Because we know Romans very well
>>532283008>How do you think romans would have treated someone acused of trying to revolt against them? Do you think the person would have a trial?That's what civilized cultures do, yes. And the Romans were absolutely civilized. It doesn't mean that the trial would be fair of course. What matters is the show of power directed to the masses. Nothing has really changed.>The whole Pilate and Jesus discussion is very unlikely to have happenedWhat makes you say that?>so who witnessed Jesus' trial?Joseph of Arimathea and Saint Nicodemus were part of the Sanhedrin who judged Jesus, on top of a lot of other people that could see the trial themselves. Of course the gospel is indirect story telling, it may contains inaccuracies.
>>532276011Nobody in my family is christians, my grand family aren't christians. We are free from christcuck cultist brainwashingSeethe nigger
>>532284018Jesus' hearing before Pilate was absolutely fair.Pilate found no fault in him, and realized he was a political prisoner.Pilate washed his hands of the entire affair.The leadership of Israel then threated Pilate that they would tell Caesar Pilate was supportive of an upstart king in occupied Israel, and that would have been the end of Pilate.Both the Jews and Pilate would rather Jesus die for his beliefs, than they die for theirs.
>>532284189Expect your ambient temperature to exceed 2300 C.
>>532284202The same Pilate that stole the money of the temple for build an aqueduct, and beat the shit out everyone who was against him?
>>532284621Yup, and killed some Gentiles and added their ashes to the sacrifice.Hard man.But he'd have to be in his position, wouldn't he.
>>532270538Thomas didn't believe in Jesus' resurrection until he saw proof of it with his own eyes so I won't either
>>532285001Then find out too late, when it does you no good.
>>532270742Pharisees told Pilate that Jesus was claiming to be King of the Jews, and by extension plotting an insurrection against Rome
>>532281128The Trinity is an essential doctrine. Yes, Jesus prayed to the Father and asserts the Father being greater than He, but He is also Divine.John 20:27-29Matthew 24:29-31>27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.>28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.>29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:>30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.>31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Who's coming is like the lightning? JesusWho's blowing the trumpet? Jesus.Where's Jesus getting that from?Zechariah 9:>14 And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.>15 The Lord of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.>16 And the Lord their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.Who's coming on the clouds here? the Lord God.Who's blowing the trumpet and gathering His people into heaven (the first heavens, the sky)? The Lord God1 Thessalonians 4:>16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
>>532274379Two more weeks!
>>532274379And by that logic lose too. Lmao
>>532275453Christ is Kike
>>532274166Jews probably took his body down so they could rape and mangle it.
>>532285116Is Thomas in hell? No? Then I won't go there either. All I want is proof.
>>532270538I'm going to counter some of the common "arguments" given in bad faith over and over again, because they continue seemingly without respite. Literally just read the fucking Bible and stop cherry-picking excerpts that you don't understand and which always prove the opposite point from the point you people are trying make.None of this is difficult, it's very straightforward so long as you're capable of reading and understanding simple stories. The first time you read the Bible, you'll notice you have a question, then you keep reading and that question is answered later on. Sometimes it's already been answered in other books but you chose not to read them, so you're supposed to already know what they're talking about and why, only you have no background because you literally just don't read. >1. Jesus died! Gods can't die.Jesus died, and importantly, like literally only a couple pages later, ROSE AGAIN. He went through every torment possible, then died and resurrected to show us that suffering doesn't matter and oblivion is a lie.>2. He overturned God's old covenant and formed a new covenant! Jesus was the opposite of God the Father!He came to fulfill God's laws, not to overturn them, he said that himself. Being kind to people who don't deserve it and taking their suffering onto you is noble, but none of what Jesus said or did was contradictory to Old Testament law, wițh the possible exception of preventing the murder of an adulterous woman (whose context we know nothing of - perhaps she was raped, coerced, or had little no no trial, only He knows). >3. Jesus was a Jew! The people who call themselves Jews right now are all mixed-race ugly Satan worshipers who hate God, therefore they must be like Jesus was, and Jesus must have been evil like them.No, Jesus already told you this, they are liars, the church of Satan (synagogue of Satan), the children of Canaan, Amalek, the blood drinkers. Whites are the Children of God, they hate us.
>>532285001so you're willing to believe that Thomas didn't believe but not to believe what Thomas was shown as proof for his unbelief ?
>>532280599because He had to overcome death.That is a big part of why He can atone.The punishment for Sin is death, for most of us we just die, and are eternally separated from God.Death cannot overcome God. God overcomes death, but God had to die, and then overcome it, so that He takes the punishment, on our behalf, and comes back from it.If no punishment is meted out for our sin, then God is unjust (as the Muslim god is)if just punishment is meted out and nobody is forgiven then God is not merciful.The only way to deal with it is for someone to take the punishment we deserve (so justice is meted out) who can overcome that punishment, and raise us up so that we can be forgiven.
>>532270538The silly twat.
>>532285150Good, a Christian.The King does not blow the trumpet though.He has guys for that.
>>532285399Thomas saw Jesus perform miracles and still didn't believe. So why should I just accept it as fact 2000 years later because a book said so? Proof or no deal
Last words: "ME! ME! WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"I dunno guys
>>532285293"My Lord and my God!""You have believed because you have seen me, Thomas. Blessed are those who do not see, and still believe."Believing without seeing is the definition of faith, the object of faith is the risen Christ Jesus.You will see Jesus with your own eyes; if you wait until that day, then yes, Jesus will cast you into hell.Thomas believed BEFORE he died.
>>532285507I'm not trying to convince you, I'm trying to understand how could you believe the fact that Thomas didn't believe but not believe the rest of the "book that said so" ?
>>532270538S to spit
>>532285369Jews don't hate Christians.The Jews are enemies of the GOSPEL for our sakes, but beloved by God for the sake of their forefathers.
>>532285507The 11 had already seen the risen Jesus; Thomas wasn't there.It wasn't that Thomas did not want to believe.Thomas wanted what the others got; a visit.And got it.
>>532285641Jews hate everyone to varying degrees. They hate Christian’s not because Christianity isn’t a slave pen for the white goyim, but because that weakness makes them a more vulnerable target for jewish predation
>>532285424>If no punishment is meted out for our sin, then God is unjust (as the Muslim god is)>if just punishment is meted out and nobody is forgiven then God is not merciful.Contradiction. If someone has to pay for it how is anything forgiven at all? The Christian god is some bloodthirsty god which is different from the OT God that only needed repentance and turning away from sin.Human children sacrifice is baal tier
Why do godless Yurosissies get today off?
>>532285761The Jews are insular and just want to be left alone.
>>532285784Man kills your wife, jury convicts, Judge lets him walk.Good judge, or Wicked Judge?
>>532285784>If someone has to pay for it how is anything forgiven at all?if you have a debt and Someone else pays it for you, were you not forgiven of your debt by that Person ? What did you pay ? Where is your debt ?
>>532285878The jews are xenophobic, but militantly so. Abrahamic monotheism is the expression of the jews hatred for any and every other people around them, early books of the bible mention other gods as being real, just that Yahweh wanted to murder and destroy all of them for being filthy goyim gods. And that’s what all abrahamic faiths have done throughout history, express jewish hatred and supremacy through delirious genocidal violence
>>532284202It was to avoid a kike rebellion, which would have cost him dearly.
>>532286025What a silly belief based on nothing but hatred for God's Chosen People.
>>532286034Wouldn't have cost Pilate anything to put down a rebellion; he had put down many already.
>>532286091Oy vey indeed
>>532285573Ok well I don't have faith I want to see it myself just like Thomas did. If Thomas got that so so should I>>532285610How could Thomas believe Jesus was the son of God but not believe that he had resurrected? He wanted proof with his own eyes. So do I
>>532286119Shabbat Shalom!
>>532285424Sounds a bit nonsensical. I am losing faith.
>>532286156And you will.Absolutely.You will see Jesus on his Great White Throne, and despair.
>>532285923Man kills your wife judge kills his own son and let's murderer walk free. Justice?>>532286014No because payment was made. Forgiveness means no payment at all is made.
>>532286224If the man is God, and the son Jesus, who willingly laid down his life to pay for the sins of mankind, that's absolutely fair.A man believes Jesus, and lives.Or disbelieves, and goes to hell.Judge didn't kill his son.Son came to die, on a cross, on the Passover, in that year. Willingly laid down his life to pay a debt he did not owe, because YOU owe a debt you cannot pay.
>>532270538What a load of Jewish shit>>532273165Are you being intentionally disingenuous or have you actually not read the section that is from?>At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”>He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.>“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell1) this is about his followers needing to be as children not actual children 2) it is about false teachers/those who lead his followers astray and 3) I don't know how you could read anything sexual in this, except in the sense that sex is sinfulAlso it gets into it gets such strange mixed metaphors it is unclear whether the end is about cutting out friends/family members who pull you into sin or if it is meant to be literal
>>532286215Why should Thomas get proof and not me? I deserve it more because Thomas already got to see him perform miracles while I'm supposed to just trust a 2000 year old book
>>532286034Retarded, historical Pontius never got problem to punish kike rebellions
>>532286341>who willingly laid down his life to pay for the sins of mankind, that's absolutely fair.Fair according to who? And who says he willingly laid down his life he was absolutely panicking and saying take this cup away from me. Also if god has a son how is that not a second god?
>>532286369You're supposed to learn from that example, not be a fool and wait until you're dead to see Jesus before you believe."Blessed are they who have NOT seen, and YET believed."
Hark! the voice of love and mercysounds aloud from Calvary;see, it rends the rocks asunder,shakes the earth, and veils the sky:"It is finished!""It is finished!""It is finished!"Hear the dying Savior cry;hear the dying Savior cry."It is finished!" O what pleasuredo these precious words afford;heav'nly blessings, without measure,flow to us from Christ the Lord:"It is finished!""It is finished!""It is finished!"Saints the dying words record;saints the dying words record.Finished all the types and shadowsof the ceremonial law;finished all that God has promised;death and hell no more shall awe:"It is finished!""It is finished!""It is finished!"Saints, from hence your comfort draw;saints, from hence your comfort draw.
>>532286156Thomas saw Jesus Christ being, teaching and performing miracles, he never saw Him come back from the dead. He asked for proof to believe that He resurrected.You have seen nothing yet you believe that Thomas didn't believe but not that he was shown proof ? There's no difference to you between believing that Thomas didn't believe or that he was shown proof yet you do not ask for proof that he didn't believe but you ask for the proof he was provided with ? Why ? What is stopping you from accepting the fact that Thomas was indeed shown proof the same way that the fact that He did not believe ?
>>532273254That quote is Joseph talking to his brothers, what does it have do with anything? >>532273342>cult leaders never lie!
>>532286490Yeah, he was sweating blood hours before it was time to ask the Father if there was any other way, if he could let this cup pass.There wasn't.So Jesus was faithful unto death, even death on a cross.'Nevertheless, thy will be done, and not mine.'
>>532286492Ok well I don't believe. How does a story some other guy not believing and then getting to see the resurrected Jesus do anything for me? It's still just words in a book. If Thomas gets to demand proof and still go to heaven then I want that too.
>>532270742>Jews want Jesus dead but cant do it themselves because of Roman law, only Rome could sentence a man to death.>They arrest Jesus and take him to Pilate.>Pilate wanted nothing to do with “jewish problems”.“Take him to your king, thats what we let you jews have a king for”.>Jews take Jesus to King Herod but he just beheaded John the Baptist, a prophet, and was really spooked about it so he didn’t want to kill Jesus either.>Jews take Jesus back to Pontius and begin kvetching.>These jews wont leave me alone.“Fine, what crime has he done?”“Well if he wasn’t a criminal then we wouldn’t have brought him to you.”>Ok then, lets see what this Jesus guy has to say.>He’s not defending himself nor is he begging for leniency. Seems like a harmless nutjob to me.“I find no evil in this man.”>Doesn’t want to condemn a man he thinks dindu nuffin to death and knows the jews are just being jews.“Here, I’ll have him flogged, beaten, and humiliated. Behold the man!”>There, that should shut those jews up. Problem solved.“No, no, he MUST be put to death reeeeeeee.”>Ffs…wait, jews have that silly tradition where a prisoner can be set free on passover.>I know just the candidate.>Still gotta push blame off me though.>We got this other guy sentenced to be crucified tomorrow for murder.>I’ll let the crowd decide who gets set free.>Jews can’t get mad at me, “the people have spoken”.>Checkmate.“Ok jews, which of these men should we let free for passover? The murderer and bandit Barabbas? Or Jesus the “king of the jews”?”“Barabbas, give us Barabbas!”>Wait, wut?>ItsAllSoTiresome.jpg“What are we to do with this Jesus guy then?””Crucify him! Crucify him in Barabbas’ place!”>Wtf is wrong with these people?“Fine, have it your way, I'm done with this shit. You want to fucking crucify him, do it. I wash my hands of this and all of you.”“His blood be on us and on our children”>And we call Gauls barbarians.>These people are fucking savages.
>>532286224it doesn't state anywhere that no payment can be made.It says "to grant relief from payment of" you can grant relief from payment of something if someone else paid for you. It will still be called "being forgiven"you were to pay it, you had an obligation to pay but you no longer have it the "why" doesn't matter, because the person doesn't feel like it anymore or because someone else paid for you what you owed, it is irrelevant because in the end you are "forgiven" your debt since you no longer have one.
>>532286538>Thomas saw Jesus Christ being, teaching and performing miracles, he never saw Him come back from the dead. He asked for proof to believe that He resurrected.Sounds dumb. If you believe one you would believe the other. I haven't even seen Jesus perform a miracle so why should I believe it?
>>532281993>>And all the people answered and said, “His blood be on us and on our children.”Isn't that a good thing for them to say? Was he not the ultimate sacrifice? Christians sung hymns about the cleansing power of his blood>From then on Pilate sought to release HimWhat a load
>>532286811>Sounds dumb. If you believe one you would believe the other.Thank you for understanding why i'm bothering you since the beginning. I rest my case. I will leave you alone now. God bless.
>>532286685Exactly so if it wasn't his own will to get slaughtered like a common criminal, how exactly do you derive that he willingly gave it up? But also if god has a son, how exactly is that not a second god?>>532286793That's what forgiveness means. If my dad pays my debt I'm not forgiven for jack shit it was paid on my behalf by someone else. Forgiveness means it is given up completely. Words have meanings. Show me one definition where it says forgiveness is where someone else pays for your debts.
>>532286905I haven't seen Jesus perform miracles though. I have no reason to believe he did. So I also have no reason to believe he resurrected. Show me proof of one then I'll believe the other.
>>532286728Because God Himself said "Blessed are they who do NOT see, and yet BELIEVE.You're not trolling anyone here, just adding more stripes to your punishment, in case you were curious.
>>532276063>Jewsus is Yahweh gave this schizophrenic contradiction command prior despite knowing its immoral and doesn't even try to convert Amalek Cope swarthy
>>532270648Not, Epstein rejected christ.
>>532286973Because he said the Father gave him the power to lay down his life, and no man had the power to take it from him.He had 12 legions of angels as bodyguards.1 of whom would have ended the Roman Empire.He also had the power to pick his life back up, and did that too.
>>532276403The original David Blaine
>>532287017I'm content to be as blessed as Thomas, assuming he's not in hell. I'm not trying to troll anybody. I just don't believe until I see proof and Thomas got that when he didn't believe so so should I. Simple as that.
>>532287017>punishment?But Jesus loves him
>>532285369>CI bullshit You belong on a cross
>>532287142More stripes.The more you know, and reject, the worse your future gets.
>>532285424>If no punishment is meted out for our sinYes, that is what Christians teach>The only way to deal with it is for someone to take the punishment we deserve (so justice is meted out)Thats not justice at all. Thats the complete opposite of justice
>>532287152And will lovingly cast his ass into hellfire for rejecting the only known salvation to mankind, the only name under which a man can be saved, and continuing to trample in the blood of the Son of God.Don't count on Love if you do these things; count on Justice.
>>532270538Religion is built on the foundation of superstition and its main objective is to be a coping mechanism for the weak. It's an antiquated form of therapy and a way for poor people to remain happy about being poor. "The meek shall inherit the Earth".. "Turn the other cheek".. "The mythical Jewish carpenter was very poor and he's someone you should emulate".. etc..
>>532283617>t ancient cult jews
>>532280362Joshua in Aramaic means salvation of YHWH but Josh means donkey so this is a genuinely funny shitpost because it’s a play on words
>>532270538Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on us sinners.
>>532286973The sense of "to give up desire or power to punish" (late Old English) is from use of such a compound as a Germanic loan-translation of Vulgar Latin *perdonare (Old Saxon fargeban, Dutch vergeven, German vergeben "to forgive," Gothic fragiban "to grant;" and see pardon (n.)). Related: Forgave; forgiven; forgiving.The sense of "to give up desire or power to punish", you(humans) deserved punishment, there was a desire for punishment, after what Jesus Christ did, there is no longer a desire for punishment if you believe that He did it for you and that he took upon Himself the punishment that you rightfully deserved. As of this moment, by His actions, and the grace of God and your faith, you are forgiven because there is no longer a desire to punish you.
>>532285507Same with Paul. Yet the goyim lap up this huge lapse in judgment. Godlike equally but doesn't distribute miracles evenly (except to ancient Jews coincidence)
>>532270989>Then shouldn't you be thanking the jews for killing him?Stop making sense. I used to wonder why christcucks could live with so many contradictory facts that would lead a normal person into a cognitive dissonance meltdown. The only conclusion is that the jewish cool aid they drank permanently destroyed parts of their brains.
>>532286343As long as you aren't a mouth-breather, it should be pretty obvious. This person is not incapable of understanding you, he's a retard faggot asshole trying to waste your time. Do not cast pearls before swine, and don't waste your time with someone pretending they're too stupid to understand basic metaphors when they're actually just a pathetic dickhead troll.You're being trolled right now, bro, don't fall for it. Same as all the comments pretending that literal mixed race, child-raping Satanist blood drinkers are somehow the Children of God. It's just losers trying to piss you off and derail actual discussion and worship of Christ. Jesus was a white man and we are God's children, that's why the children of Satan (who call themselves white and are not) hate us and seek our destruction.They rule over us because we didn't kill every last man, woman and child of theirs, infant and ox, burn their settlements and salt the scorched earth. God knew this would happen and now he has exalted the gentiles (ethnics, originally ethnikoi in Greek) over us. These are the worst of the ethnics, Amalek, children of Canaan, founders of Babylon, practicioners of sorcery and worshipers of the devil. Mixed with the Children of God, but corrupted by foreign, evil blood, vile abominations who seek nothing but parasitism, cruelty, violence and destruction.Just watch as this thread continues to fill up with bad-faith accusations saying the "Jews" (Canaanites lying, it's called lying, you say something that's not true) are the true Children of God, and that Jesus is evil because those people lying to you are evil. They're actually the Canaanites that Jesus called filthy dogs and sick abominations.
>>532285491The scripture says the Lord God blows the trumpet.Jesus says the Son of Man (Himself) directs the angels with the sound of a trumpetPaul refers to it as the Trump of God (both Jesus and Paul are referring to Jesus being the Lord God from Zechariah 9)>>532285784Punishment was meted out on behalf of your sins, by someone willing and able to bear that punishment. You cannot. Only God can. God did, if you believe. That is the conditions Jesus laid out.The connection between the need for death to be the consequence of sin, and God providing the atonement to cover your sin, goes all the way back to the garden.Adam and Eve tried to cover their nakedness with garments they made themselves out of leaves.God rejected the works of their hands, killed animals and covered Adam and Eve's nakedness with their hides.This demonstrated 2 things: Something has to die when sin is committed, it is the promised and prescribed punishment by God. God does not accept 0 consequences for sin. Sin always leads to death.and #2: our own attempts at atonement are insufficient, only God can provide the covering for our sin.This object lesson was repeated at the binding of Isaac, God provided the sacrifice when man was willing to lay down his promised son that he had by Sarah. Abraham's willingness was proof of faith that either God would provide the sacrifice Himself, or that God would raise up Isaac from the dead. For God had promised Abraham that he would father many nations and that kings would come from his loins, and that it would be from his wife Sarah.Abraham believed God, and to him it was counted as righteousness.>>532287263as >>532286014 said, if you are judged guilty and fined but someone else pays the fine on your behalf, justice is served and the person who paid your fine has forgiven you of your crime.
LMAO nigga up on a cross n shit haha
>>532286492Prove the example retard. Lol. Lmao
>>532287129God is given power? How does that work? I thought god already has all power and He gives power and doesn't receive it. Doesn't sound like an all powerful creator to me.
>>532287227I can't be punished for not believing something I have no way to know is true. Show me proof I can see with my own eyes then I'll believe. Thomas got that so I should too
>>5322876351 Thessalonians 4:16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.Oh, no. Are you someone who can't tell the difference between Jesus and Michael the Archangel?
>>532287539Doesn't make any sense. The bible says that god doesn't require sacrifices. Besides what purpose would killing some innocent man even do? It's such an absurdity that if you haven't been raised believing that you just simply couldn't. And the other thing is believing that god who even the heavens can't contain was contained in a womb? That's wild
>>532286341Proof?
>>532287588Don't act like you're agreeing with me, I fucking hate you >It's just losers trying to piss you off and derail actual discussion and worship of Christ.Thats you, you're gear missing people off with your lies and your push jew worship >Jesus was a white man and we are God's childrenNo, he was an evil jew rat>>532287588>if you are judged guilty and fined but someone else pays the fine on your behalf, justice is served1) no, it isn't and 2) that's not what this is about, this is you are sentenced to death and someone else is executed so you can continue committing crimes. That is not justice. What is also not justice is the innocent being condemned for doing nothing
>>532287662Because the one true God manifested himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, yet still just the one God.Kind - GodPersons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.The Father gave the Son these powers on earth, and the Son used them. That's yet another reason why the Son is beloved of the Father.
>>532280362Fun fact… Jesus has a donkey head because the Roman’s figured out that Jews worship a donkey. In synagogues the Jews kept a golden donkey statue in the holy of holy… hence Jesus the Jew has a donkey head.
>>532287852intertextuality.compare it to Matthew 24 (where Jesus says the Son of man directs the angels with a trumpet)which both refer back to Zechariah 9 where the Lord God blows the trumpet.if you believe Michael is blowing the trumpet in Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians 4, then you are calling Michael the Lord God.
>>532286771No because he was half Roman. They were literally about to stone a Jewess to death and tried to stone Jesus before. You fucking illiterate
>>532287876Try to disprove it.That's better than me giving you bible verses that you will dismiss instantly.
>>532287090How do you know?
>>532270538Roasting some beef rn
>>532288013>he was half RomanHe was born of a Jewish virgin.
>>532288011 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”Jesus has a sword proceeding from his mouth, not a trumpet.Jesus the eternal Creator created Michael.
>>532287588You believe pic related. Your iq is 90 at best
>>532287635>Sin always leads to deathChristian heresy. Bible proves you otherwise.Jonah 3:10New International Version10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.Where was the sacrifice or death? Unjust god?>our own attempts at atonement are insufficientYet another christian heresy disproven by the bible itself.Isaiah 55:7New International Version7 Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts.Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will freely pardonPsalm 51:16New King James Version16 For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it;You do not delight in burnt offering.
>>532287925Fucking shit, I'm typing way too fast>>532287938A load of nonsense. Keep repeating this made up bullshit, it'll never be true
>>532287938So since there's one God, the father died on the cross?
>>532288049Disprove Islam or Buddhism. Again proof? Did Thomas exist?
>>532288259You're replying to somebody pushing CI "Europeans are the real Jews" bullshit
>>532287853>Besides what purpose would killing some innocent man even do?That is the point. God sacrified His perfect Son because everyone was dead in the law since Adam. Everyone was under sin and God offered a way to eternal life through faith.
>>532288226Then why need a Roman trial unless he was a Roman citizen? Jews could execute other Jews
>>532288417>Yahweh created impossible laws knowing they're impossible. Rages out.The soteriological interpretation of REEEEEEEEEE
>>532288417Doesn't make any sense because if you offered your perfect son to die for me does that mean I am forgiven? It's absurd to think god would accept such lunacy.>Everyone was under sinNope. There were other sinless people according to the bible.
>>532288229>14 And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.>and the Lord God shall blow the trumpetNot Michael, not any other Angel. He does it.>>532288289He did not destroy the city, but they still all died.God does not delight in sacrifice, but He still demanded it as an object lesson of the result of sin (death), and to paint a picture that someone innocent of your sin, dies to atone for your sin (pointing at Christ)
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>>532288674>the result of sin (death)No, death is the result of being alive. Things that are alive eventually die.
>>532288289you're quoting the old testament before the new covenant between God and man through Jesus Christ was made.>>532288358Jesus Christ God in the flesh died on the cross yes. >>532288566>Doesn't make any sense because if you offered your perfect son to die for me does that mean I am forgiven?what are you talking about ?>Nope. There were other sinless people according to the bible.Romans 3:23-24 KJV (King James Version)for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
>>532270538I only like the part where Jesus told the demon horde Legion to get the fuck out of a guy and into a herd of pigs and then they jumped into the ocean. That was pretty neat. ACAB.
>>532288828Israel will cease to exist within 3 years. All anti-christ will go to Hell.
>>532288426They couldn't though, that's kind of part of being ruled over as a province, Rome dictates your laws and you can't carry out a justice system independently of Rome.Had Jesus actually been Roman, they wouldn't be able to do any punishment to him for violating Jewish religion, as Jesus had not violated any Roman laws.
>>532288674>He did not destroy the city, but they still all died.Well no shit. You think they'd live forever? >God does not delight in sacrifice, but He still demanded itNo it says god doesn't DESIRE sacrifices. Besides he keeps saying he doesn't want sacrifices rather people to repent.Hosea 6:6New King James Version6 For I desire mercy and not sacrifice,And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.Isaiah 1:11New King James Version11 “To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?”Says the Lord.“I have had enough of burnt offerings of ramsAnd the fat of fed cattle.I do not delight in the blood of bulls,Or of lambs or goats.Sorry to break it to you bro but your theology cannot be swallowed if you weren't born into it. This mumbo jumbo of some Jew needing to die for everyone's since is Hindu tier. Read James Tabor's book Paul and Jesus if you have an open mind. I'm out cya
All Hail King Jesus!All Hail the Savior of the World!All Hail King Jesus!All Hall the Lord of Heaven and Earth!
>>532288828that is the reality of this cursed world we are on since sin entered the world.Originally, death was not part of this creationwhen Jesus returns and God remakes the entire universe, all things made new, there will be no more death.
>>532288894>RomansWhy should we listen to Paul he was a liar and a conniver? Either get Jesus to have said it or someone from the OT.
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>>532289154Alright I think we've reached the end of the argument if you're going to dismiss the parts that you dislike. God bless you good sir
>>532289298Appreciate it and God bless you too
>>5322705381. Jesus is not the Lord. Jesus is one with the Lord, but the Lord is greater. The Lord is the Creator, Jesus is the creation. DO NOT GET CONFUSED OR YOU'LL BE UNABLE TO ENTER PARADISE.2. Jesus didn't die for our sins since God is not partial. God wouldn't let one of his sons to die for the sins of the others.You people really should give up your mundane pursuits and concentrate in learning about God alone.p.s.: I'm not here to discuss anything. I'll not be here to read your replies. Bye!
>>532270538I dislike modern liberal atheist heckin science culture and want to believe in Christianity because I consider it my heritage but there are just too many things that don't square.For one, Christian thought largely ignores the Eastern religions. These are complex traditions that predate the Bible by centuries that developed completely independently. Most Christians know very little about them and they just hand wave it away as "they're worshipping demons" or something equally shallow.Christianity is supposed to be the universal truth that everyone MUST believe for salvation and yet Jesus appeared in one province of the Roman Empire, didn't write anything down and left it up to later disciples (flawed humans) to spread the message. And the church split into different interpretations and in fighting.How a so-called "heathen" is largely contingent and affects how they react to it. For example Japan's early exposure to Christianity was the Portuguese using it to make political inroads as a prelude to colonialism. It's ruling class was initially tolerant but after the Shimabara Rebellion they saw it as a threat the political stability and their country's independence so they banned it. And can you really blame them? From their perspective it was a reasonable thing to do. But according to Christian theology they rejected the gospel so God's going to punish them for eternity after they die. But their first impressions of the gospel where colored by historically contingent factors outside their control. Is it really fair to punish them ETERNALLY for that?I guess my point is Christianity claims to be universal truth and the only path to salvation yet people don't have equal access to it and could reject it for entirely reasonable reasons. To me that just doesn't square up with my sense of fairness.
>>532270648And I've never heard a good response from Christians. They either say>Don't try to understand the mind of God just have faith or they go the modern Catholic route and say people can get salvation if they "sincerely seek God" even if it's not though Jesus which sounds more fair to me but contradicts the Bible and the original church teachings.
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>>532289154Isaiah 53>4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.>5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.>6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.>7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.>8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.>9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.>10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.>11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.>12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.The doctrine of substitutionary atonement laid out, in the Old Testament. It even reveals that the Jews rejected Him, deeming Him afflicted of God.Who hath believed our report?
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>>532270538ha, yea. and look where that got us.
>>532270538Augustus and Tiberius completely ignore the "most important" fact.Probably because it was a huge bullshit, if Jesus was really so important I'm pretty sure that they will probably send him to Rome to show his superpowers in front of the emperor
>>532290462Prophecy fulfillment is the answer.The Old Testament said that the Messiah would die to atone forour sins and then have His life prolonged (see Isaiah 53 that I quoted >>532290819 )Jesus died and was raised.Psalm 22 was written several hundred years before Jesus.. and Jesus quoted it while on the cross:Matthew 27>46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?that is quoting the first line of Psalm 22. Teachers would do this in order to refer people back to a passage of scripture that people have memorized, just quote the first line of a passage to make people remember the rest.Psalm 22:>1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?that's the first line but the rest of the Psalm>14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.>15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.>16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.>17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.>18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.Read the rest of Matthew 27. Note that Jesus thirsted (referring to the tongue cleaving to his jaws), and His clothes were divided up by Roman soldiers casting lots.This was hundred of years before Crucifixion was invented, and it's very specific to refer to piercing hands and feet.
>>532291398>Prophecy fulfillment is the answerYou mean "prophecy" written after the fact. >Jesus died and was raisedYou're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>532291398>Jesus died and was raised.proof of this?
>>532273179This is taking the passage out of context, and pilpul is the works of kikes. He did call that women as a dog, and she (a gentile who was just insulted) went on to display more faith than even his so call "'""gods chosen people""" disciples. The gospels illustrate time and time again that Jews, even the 12 disciples, had trouble believing in Jesus divinity despite all the miracles and evidence they've witnessed, and the store of the gentile woman called a dog is a foil to contrast against them. She was called a dog, yet she still believed in his divinity and all but asked for a crumb of his grace. Whereas his """chosen people""" disciples doubted, denied, and stumbled along the way That verse is one of the few times in the four gospels where Jesus actually exclaimed in joy, too. That shouldn't be overlooked>“O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.”
>>532291634The Jews have these psalms written and they don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, why would they write the Psalm after the crucifixion if they don't believe the crucifixion of Jesus was anything significant and they don't believe Jesus was the "Son of David" (a Messianic title, referring to the Covenant God made with David)>>532291657That's where faith comes in, you either believe as the Apostles did, that He died, and rose from the dead, and they all in turn were executed for this belief and would not renounce it, even though they were separated from each other, they still professed that they saw Jesus resurrected from the dead.Would you die for something you knew was not true?
>>532292494>The Jews have these psalms written and they don't believe Jesus was the MessiahThe Greeks that made up the NT needed to retrofit the prophecies in their made up Messiah
>>532291657>proof of this?No proof, but there is a smoking gun. Christiany wouldn't have survived after Jesus death, because humans aren't willing to die for a lie. The early Christians, dubbed a cult of Jesus at the time, were persecuted and carried a death sentence. It's sorta hard to create a religion based on a lie and that risked grave bodily harm
>>532292494>Would you die for something you knew was not true?Happens in cults all the time
>>532288067they don't just as they don't know how many feral nigger pieces of shit are going end up in heavenhow many women will meet their rapist and murderer in heaven?how many children will be forced to spend eternity with their abusers?how many friends, family, and loved ones are going to end up suffering for eternity because their belief in god is different?
>>532292822>humans aren't willing to die for a lieCultists say the same thing
>>532292397that actually brings me to a rather interesting thing I noticed.Matthew 7:>13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:>14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.These verses are often quoted as kind of a scare tactic at Christians from the pulpit trying to say if you're not "good enough" as a Christian you won't make it. Trying to pair "grace + works" (See Romans 11 about that)But I say, who was Jesus talking to, who was His audience?Jews. Few Jews find the way to life.Matthew 8>5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,>6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.>7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.>8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.>9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.>10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.>11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.A Roman soldier (a gentile) believed that Jesus was someone with AUTHORITY over things like sickness, and could heal just by commanding. In other words this Roman soldier believed Jesus was God.That is why Jesus marveled at his faith. He had no reason to believe, but did.Jesus said that many would join him in the Kingdom of Heaven.Many gentiles, few Jews.in the next post I will drop the bombshell that shows the consistency.
>>532292822>It's sorta hard to create a religion based on a lie and that risked grave bodily harmNot really, see Scientology
>>532285507>So why should I just accept it as fact 2000 years later because a book said so?Jesus proves himself to you for the sake that you believe.however.John 2029 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
>>532293077>Jesus proves himself to you for the sake that you believeYou're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>532284240Oh nooooo i'm so afraid of hell, a 2000 year old fairy tale to scare children and unwillingly force them to praise a jewish sandnigger who said he was special
>>532292847Ain't no one has to worry about getting crucified for a long time. You should be able to resonate with this talking point too as an American /pol/ user, people aren't willing to die or stand FOR SHIT. Stolen elections. Pedophile elites. Priced out of housing. Unfettered shitskin migrants. COVID lockdowns. Endless wars for Israels. Humans are inclined not to put their own neck on the line. Yet the religion of Jesus Christ survived, when it was so easy for people at the time to say "nah fuck that"
>>532292800okay but David wrote a Psalm about someone being crucified hundreds of years before crucifixion.>>532292847No they believe it when they die. It may be false but they believe it is true.I'm saying would you die for something you KNOW is false.You make the claim "I saw Jesus walking and talking and eating fish days after He was executed. I saw the nailprints in His hands."You would not die if you knew for fact you made that up.Now after that first generation of witnesses, who did not personally witness it, sure, they are being made martyrs for FAITH. But the first Apostles? They would know for certain what they saw, and if they were just making it up. They died for the belief that what they saw was real.We have to take it on faith. They saw it.
>>532293171John 1418 “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. 21 Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” do you make Jesus a liar?
I hope when religious people die they have enough time to realize all their beliefs are wrong as they drift off into non-existence.
>>532292961What bodily harm comes with being a scientologist? I must have missed the memo where we've been mass imprisoning and executing themIf scientologists were faced with crucification, 99.9% would drop the act
>>532292957okay.. time for that bombshellRevelation 7:>2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,>3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.>4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.>5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.>6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.>7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.>8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.144,000 Jews out of millions.That's a few, while most of them perish.>9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;>10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.a multitude of gentiles so large that it can't even be counted before the throne of God praising Him.Few Jews, many Gentiles.
>>532293236>Yet the religion of Jesus Christ survivedBy fracturing into over 30k divisions>>532293284>okay but David wrote a Psalm about someone being crucified hundreds of years before crucifixion.Sure he did lol>>532293284>No they believe it when they dieSo did many Jim Jones followers or the Heavens Gate followers>>532293349See>>532290462
>>532293425I hope you come to faith before you realize what you would miss otherwise.
>>532293451>What bodily harm comes with being a scientologist?Ask Lisa McPherson. Oh wait, you can't because they killed her
>>532270538Did he specified he also died for the goyim? Because to the jews there are humans(them) then subhumans(all of us) who are equal with animals.
>>532293502>okay.. time for that bombshellLmao, more circular nonsense
>>532293600>thinly veiled threat and FOMO/appeal to fearwho the fuck falls for this shit? you should be ashamed of even trying to manipulate anyone with that sort of rhetoric you absolute subhuman
>>532293425I don't even claim any religion nor do I subscribe to a quid pro quo belief about heaven, but I cannot deny that following Jesus has simply made me a better person, husband, and father. I was plenty fine before too, but I challenged myself to give it a try, and I cannot deny it's benefits. It has also helped mature my world view, because now I do see objective good vs evil. Its WILD to me people have an issue with a figure, real or not, who simply shilled wholesome, based beliefs. Tldr the wicked flee when no one pursueth
>>532293425It's like going to sleep except you don't wake up
>>532293667goyim (cattle) was never a thing.the OT word was gentile (nation).Genesis 22:18And through your offspring all nations (gentiles) of the earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”
>>532293506>By fracturing into over 30k divisionsWhich is fine. Jesus said each person can effectively be their own high priest. We don't need a collective, singular church. We just need God
>>532293904That's nice. >We just need GodVery cool, you lot can't even agree if Jesus is God or not
>>532293778you are selling out for a cheap chinese bootleg existence instead of the real deal.
>>532293987>instead of the real dealBased on?
>>532293987No one's falling for your retarded cult talk when you frame it like that, literally no one does because it's purely self-serving.
>God is such a nigger that he needed to blood sacrifice his son to forgive humanity for something he knew they were going to do before even creating themBelieving this fucks your brain up, bad.
>>532294046based on the Word of God.>>532294053it serves God. everything exists for his glory alone, we are just partakers.
>>532294092Right?
>>532293506>sure he did lolOkay, again, the Jews do not believe that Jesus was the Messiah.They still have Psalm 22 in their Tanakh. Psalm 22 is the one describing crucifixion.>many of Jim Jones followersyes they had faith that what Jim Jones said was true, they acted on faith. They did not know that it was a lie.followers of cults and other religions are willing to lay down their life and be martyred for something they believe is true, whether it is actually true or not, they believe it is and act on that belief.What I am saying is that the original Apostles all except John, were executed for saying they saw Jesus risen from the dead.There is a lot of difference between believing a second hand account on faith... and your own first hand account If I said, I personally got a message from God that every woman who had sex with me would be saved and every woman that refused me would be condemned to hell, and you called me on ti and were going to kill me unless I renounced that claim.. I'd admit I was lying and just trying to get laid, it wouldn't do me any benefit to die for something I knew I made up.You're saying that these Apostles, who had the claim that they personally saw Jesus risen from the dead.. willingly died for something they knew they made up.
Amen thank you Lord Jesus.
>>532294156>based on the Word of God.Why should I believe it's the "Word of God"?>>532294177That's nice but I don't buy your moronic babble
>>532294092>>532294164the cross is foolishness to those that perish.
>>532293784>testimonial structure of a magically better life>framed as "the doors are open" you can't believe what you're missing out broThis kind of post is a deliberate evangelism tool by the way, not just casual sharing.The poster preemptively distances himself from the label ("I don't even claim any religion") to appear more credible and non-threatening. It's essentially: "I'm a skeptic like you, and even I couldn't deny it." This inoculates against the listener's defenses. It's called friendship evangelism which ironically you also see a lot among door-to-door army prospecting.Know your shills! They prey upon the weak.
>>532294291>oogabooga
>>532294291You people shouldn't have any say in politics because you don't live for today, or even for tomorrow, but instead live for death.
>>532294250so you're saying you'd willingly be executed for something you know 100% for fact that you just made up.For what purpose? To create a religion that you wouldn't be around to see? You knew for fact you just made it up, and there will be no afterlife reward for you based on this religion you just made up.But that is what you're saying the Apostles did.Made up they saw Jesus after His resurrection after His crucifixion, and willingly got put to death for it... even though they knew they made it up.That is the absurdity you're proposing.
>>532294514>so you're saying you'd willingly be executed for something you know 100% for fact that you just made up.Nope.Try less strawman dipshit
>>532294447Nigga, I'm a diest more than anything else and tryna find the way. The anons who talk about "demiurge" and all that shit resonate with me more than whatever the fuck the OT is. My post and it's stance is not some conspiracy.
>>532294569it's what you're saying the Apostles did.
>>532294092His son that also was himself.
>>532294512>but instead live for death.eternal life is not death. you are in the death cult.
>>532273342Cope
>>532294092>dumb nigger doesn't understand who humility meansMany such cases
>>532294250>Why should I believe it's the "Word of God"?You can't figure that out yourself? You can't read for yourself and be like "Yep, that's based."? You might have too many demons you keep around
>>532294726Quote me
>>532289107You can say whatever nonsense you want but it isn't true>that is the reality of this cursed world we are on since sin entered the world.Classic Jewish hate for reality
>>532292957How did he marvel when as omniscient God he can't be surprised?
>>532294447why tf are you in a thread about Jesus Christ if you want to reject him that much?just close the tab lmao.
>>532294815>You might have too many demons you keep aroundMore oogabooga bullshit
>>532294579Stop talking like an evangelicuck if you wanna be taken seriously then, it's pretty obvious where your shit talking points come from even if you don't realize you're immersed in that sort of culture. It's transactional faith that sidesteps the theology side of it which is an insult to anyone's intelligence if they don't believe in the theology to being with.
>>532294250
>>532288941So they didn't try to stone the Jewess Jesus saved or stone him prior? So the Bible is objectively false?
>>532294818the Apostles say they personally saw Jesus risen.They died for it.now go and explain why they would die for that, if they knew they didn't actually see Jesus risen from the grave, why would they lie, and then die for that lie they knew they made up?
>>532294874Maybe the centurion had an iron chariot parked in his garage.
>>532292494>Would you die for something you knew was not true?Im not an idiot cult member
>>532294930Jesus is divine and the gospels are based, nigga. Deal with it. I'll do what I want
>>532291398The book of Daniel is a forgery
>>532293784Based imitator of Christ. Check out "Through the Gate of Goodness" if you haven't already, I think you'd enjoy it. Pic related.
>>532294979>now go and explain why they would die for thatThe same reasons followers of Jim Jones died for him
>>532293077>Jesus proves himself to you for the sake that you believe.cool I'll wait for that to happen. I'll require visible proof that I can see with my own eyes just like Thomas did
>>532294960Didn't read
>>532294291>worship me goyim! DONT THINK KVEEETHCHHHChes in Catechism
>>532294930>>532294579Besides, selling the jewsus product on its practical return in investment rather than faith is extremely unbiblical and rooted in american prosperity gospel shit. Early christians were massive masochists that thought suffering as much as possible would make them the most pious.
>>532294737You make me laugh. Enjoy celebrating the violent death of your God and the "salvation" it gave you kek
>>532293284>cult leaders never lie!>every full leader who claims to have direct connection to the divine is telling the truth!The things you are saying are not arguing for what you're trying to argue for
>>532295107always comes with a price.>>532295156thanks I will.
AmenThe sign of Jonah. Believe and be freed. Free indeed.
>>532294979Yeah, why would Shimon, Saul, Yochanan, Bar-Tolmai, Yakob, Mattiyahu-Levi, Tomah, and other assorted jews would lie?
>>532295210It didn't for Thomas so why should it for me
>>532295050I already said I don't subscribe to that quid pro quo shit. Faith on the basis of ulterior motives isn't real faith
>>532294514Christianity is not the only religion with martyrs. I'm sure you don't believe Islam is true despite people blowing themselves up for their belief in it. Or Buddhists sacrificing their current good life to try to achieve nirvana.
>>532295286>the apostles werent persecuted
>>532295107Visibility isn't proof, reason is. Your eyes can lie, senses can be mistaken and dreams can be taken for reality. But logic is immutable. If you want proof, study philosophy and logic, and read Plotinus. You aren't going to ever get certainty out of the senses because the senses are inherently fallible. Leaving senses behind and living in logic and truth is what it means to escape the cavern.
>>532295310>I already said I don't subscribe to that quid pro quo shitThat's a lie. You've demonstrated you do
>>532294514>so you're saying you'd willingly be executed for something you know 100% for fact that you just made up.No, but idiot cultists wouldAre people who kill their kids by using faith healing instead of medicine correct? Why not? People died for that belief so it must be true
>>532295310Did you reply to the wrong person? I just recommended a book I genuinely thought you would like. The entirety of the book is about living righteously and becoming a good person. Not for the sake of a reward. Being good is its own reward, always.
>>532270538Thats the next week retard.
>>532295339Islam is a faith built on Jesus, terrible example by a retardAnd forsaking worldly possessions isn't martyrdom and people do it all over the world, religious or not. Look at homeless people
>>532295386Thomas wasn't, he went to India>>532295428cool where's the logic that Jesus being resurrected definitely happened?
