Allow me to cope for a minuteThe US had numerous planes shot down in the opening days of Iraq as well as the days that followed, both in daytime raids and nighttime strikes.A MiG-25 even shot an F/A-18 out of the sky, killing the pilot (Iraq's only air to air victory).But most of all, AAA, SAM and MANPADS fire was a killer in Iraq, and coalition pilots were routinely shot down, captured, or their planes disabled.A total of 75 aircraft were destroyed during the Gulf War.The fact that despite their being massive numbers of strikes taking place day in and day out for the past several weeks and only one plane legitimately downed by AA fire should indicate to you this is going much better than is typical.Consider Russia's air losses (helicopters alone, the numbers are staggering)
>>532304997>killing the pilotname?sauce?
>>532304997Well that makes sense if the enemy has AABut the entire military of Iran was completely eliminated, why would we be losing anything at this point?
>>532304997Good perspective
>>532304997i like the foxbat and foxhound
>>532305093Lieutenant Commander Scott Speicher, was shot down on the first night of the war in the early hours of 17 January 1991 by a missile fired by a MiG-25.The kill was reportedly made with a Bisnovat R-40RD missile fired from a MiG-25PDS flown by Lt. Zuhair Dawood of the 96th squadron of the IQAF
>>532305093>he doesn't knowdamn, some of you guys are so damn unenducated.
>>532304997Bro. USA cant loose. You can literally fuck up like buggest retards 10x in a row and you would still be fine. Its your geography. Civil war can fuck you up or yellowstone or carrington event on your side of the globe. Other shit. Nah youll be fine.
Shot down or damaged destroyed on the ground so far, US/gulf allies. 16 MQ-9 3 eurofighter typhoons2 awacs9 kc-135 4 f-151 f-351 a103 blackhawks2 attack helicopters 1 other transport helicopteroff the top of my head. there's more.
You lost 16 in the first week and 4 today alone.The aircrafts in the gulf were considerably cheaper.
>>532304997don't worry about it this place is awash with BRICS browns these days
>>532305727I can't find a reliable source for a single one of the kills you're talking about except for 1 E-3 Sentry, the 4 F-15s, and a Blackhawk
>>532304997Different from America Russia is not aversion loss and they recognize that in war people die... the reason why losing a random muttzog in America cause so much problem than in Russia
>>532304997The US lost 4000 planes and 6000 helicopters during Vietnam. Let the browns cope until Trump takes out their power and they are left permanently sitting in the dark, without internet.
>>532305984America don't have this luxury today no matter how much you miggers masturbate about it
>>532305981This cope is not one that I am familiar with, that is an incredible perspective I can only come to expect from a person from the turd world who places no value on human life.
>>532305897Britain is majority brown and you are a minority now, impotent eunuch
>>532305967Oh, you're three minutes of google didn't work? Keep looking. I don't lie.
>>532304997the current operation isn't as large though, sheer numbers generally are what makes casualties seem high when in reality they were nothing compared to the sheer scale of Iraqi Freedom
>this is going much better than is typical.How many missions have they flown vs downed craft. The next problem is if they parade around anyone captured. 90% of Americans won't like that.
>>5323049972,500 sorties and just 2 jets destroyed. An infintesimal 'loss rate'.
>>532306093Not even close to true
A thread without shills shutting it down yet????>SHUT IT DOWN
>>532304997Ok but what did you get in exchange of your deaths and lost planes? What did you "win"?High gas prices, inflation, 401k going down, humiliation in front of the whole world etc.
>>532304997>opening days>several weekswe are in the second month
>>532306103I guess you're not lying perse, more like bending the truth?
>>532304997But we were in Iraq for 20+ years and they are still bombing our bases today lmao. We retreated from the green zone and now we are using the kurds as human sheilds. What did we win in Iraq? After decades long occupation, countless tax dollars funneled into the war effort and Halliburton all we have to show for it is we are still unable to stop Iraqis from sending missiles to our bases.
>>532306340I don't really think you're a part of this conversation so I'll just as, isn't there a toilet you should be cleaning or something, Dhalit?
>>532304997you lost tranny
>>532304997iraq's pretty flat mate.
>>532304997>only one plane legitimately downed by AA firekek
>>532306472>What did we win in Iraq?Nothing, which is why I voted for Trump 3 times, because he came with the promise of no wars in the third world and the return to American isolationism (the reason the country is the best in the world).I don't support this war at all, I'm just saying let me cope about this 1 (ONE) plane being shot down and it not being the end of American imperialism.
>>532306829It would be less embarrassing to say you watched a nigger fuck your wife Jesus Christ, the absolute state of you losers. Good thing you can still get that permission from your parents to transition
>>532304997u can cope, but the war in Iraq was much easier on USA than whatever this isHere are all aviation losses of USA in time it took to destroy Iraqi army, most of them as you can see are crashes
>>532306405check your flag silly
>>532306942What?
>>532304997Russia has lost 270 aircraft in 49 monthsAmerica has lost 25 in 1 month
>>532306942Why do demented zogbots speak like this? Fucking fag
>>532307147gotta be an llm or propfarm faggot that didn't understand what it fucking read. Many such cases all over this site nowadays.
>>532305967lurk more. The AWACS were killed last week on the ground and there were plenty of news articles about it.
>>532307148that's a lot
>>532304997I think the difference is Iraq got its shit pushed in immediately and the outcome was never in doubt.It was also done in a more professional manner with at least somewhat respectable people at the helm, with the rest of NATO following, if reluctantlyConversely, today you have some poltard chud spew edgelord copypasta while his boss defeats the enemy on twitter and declares victory at least twice a week; the rest of NATO are scratching their heads.There is currently no sign of Iran loosening its grasp on the strait despite its assets being taken out routinely, and you have world economists fidgeting wishing for it to be over soon already. What's more Iran has taken the fight to the enemy and the arabs hosting US bases are now seething while all the AA is sent to defend isreal.It's not a good look right now as none of (American, not israeli) goals have been achieved yet. We do not see the complete picture and maybe two weeks from now the marines will sweep into the now completely declawed Iran, have a turkey shoot and a jolly good time because the air campaign has been so effective, but looking at who's running Pentagon and how many generals were fired today I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>532307661The objective was clear from the beginning and the presence of a ground fighting force brought with the intention of capturing Baghdad made it only more so.I have no idea what the intention of this war is, to dismantle Iranian leadership? To wrestle control of the strait of Hormuz? To cripple the Iranian nuclear program? To cripple the Iranian missile network?No clue, it is not obvious to me.
>>532304997The important figure would be the ratio of total sorties to downed planes. Desert Storm was ~100k sorties and there were 75 combat aircraft shot down. So far for the Iran War it is somewhere between 10k and 15k sorties so far to probably around 15 so far aircraft shot down (not counting drones, and not counting damaged stuff, just confirmed downed and 100% lost planes to match the Desert Storm figures).So for Desert Storm that was 1 plane lost for every 1333 sorties, for Iran it is 1 plane lost for every 1000 sorties.
>>532304997Sir, are you clinically retarded?>Gulf War>A war that implied a Coalition of 42 countries, in which the air war had 2,780 fixed wing aircraft in one of the most hard to coordinate scenarios that still managed to pull off with impressive execution. There were so many aircraft in the air that some of those losses were friendly fire incidents and accidents>Trump's ego project in Iran>A war that implies 2 countries (Israel and their mutts), with a haphazardly assembled force (no official figures are out there but even if 100% of the USAF was there, which is not the case, there are only 1,400 fighers in USAF inventory which is about half of the Gulf War) where things have reached such levels of retardness that the USAF has lost planes on the tarmac, and not cheap ones too, along with other sensitive equipment like radars. And now is losing 4.5 generation aircrafts to Abdul and his manpads, before the actual invasion that the US will have to conduct alone because even Israel has said "go get them boy!" despite being the instigator and main beneficiary.No, the situation is not good, even in the Gulf war most of the resistance was done for hours, here is lasting weeks. Trump failed, he got duped by Netanyahu and made a strategic blunder, fine, shit happens. The problem is that instead of admitting that he failed and deescalate and compensate (Iran went onto attack everyone in the region, it was a nice moment to pull back or at least drop the intensity) he is now full gambler's fallacy with other people's lives.Just so he doesn't have to admit defeat.
>>532308556I should specify for the Iran War so far, that is 15 aircraft either shot down or destroyed on the ground. Not just destroyed in the air.
>>532308556Why not count drones? They are just as expensive as the planes
>>532308380Don't forget drumpf claimed Iran was nearly done developing nukes while Pentagon officials were saying that there were no signs pointing to that. Weird huh.
>>532308985Not they aren't, the MQ-9s that have been shot down are a tenth the price of actual combat jets. They are just stupidly expensive compared to Iran's drones.
