>>532321009Why is that ape stealing wallets in Japan?
>>532321009but i don’t steal wallets in japan though
>>532321177im glad the chinese pandemic happened a few years before AI image generation was a thing so that we know it really happened as long as the image was saved before 2023
>>532321009so according to jumanji jackson i just have to steal a wallet in japan to become real official nihongo samurai warrior??
I love tweets that remove most of the argument>It’s allegiance, meaning, they can control you as a matter of law. I can also rely on them if my wallet is stolen to, you know, under Japanese law, go and prosecute the person who has stolen it. So there’s this relationship based on, even though I’m a temporary traveler, I’m just on vacation in Japan, I’m still locally owing allegiance in that sense. Is that the right way to think about it? And if so, doesn’t that explain why both temporary residents and undocumented people would have that kind of, quote-unquote, allegiance, just by virtue of being in the United States?
do the nu/pol/browns not understand the concept of jurisdiction?
>>532321389i found it hard to believe until it became stark reality.plexiglass everywhere, people pulling their mask down to yell at you for not following the rules, schools telling kids to wear masks outside at recess.i'm getting angry and directionless thinking about it all again
>>532321009This woman is a retard, but she can't possibly be this retarded. This has to be a fake quote.
>>532321009I cant believe silent gen, boomers etc actually gave women and browns the right to be politicians and judges and shit, what the FUCK were they thinking.
>>532321549And this was a good argument to you?
Another episode of retards on here pretending not to understand and arguing in bad faith.
>>532321009Why is the only fucking this inside of a monkeys head "MUHFUGGA I MUST STEAL!"
>>532321009No way she actually said that.
>>532321009>MUHFUGGA BIX NOOD *SMACKS LIPS* DAAASSSSS RIIIITE!!!!Still not as Dumb as the Trump administration not going for an overruling of the Kim Wong Ark case.He basically botched it out of the gate.
>>532321667What do you think is wrong with it?
>>532321655Nigger loving is a mental disease.
>>532321009>... I steal ... Japan, ... arrest me and prosecute me ...What did she mean by this?
>>532321743A nigger said itTherefore its bad mmkay?
>>532321009She's 100% correct. You are subject to the jurisdiction of a country you are in, otherwise you would be able to do whatever you want without consequence. The exception is diplomatic immunity, so the only people born in the US not entitled to citizenship are the children of visiting foreign politicians/diplomats.I think birthright citizenship is stupid and never should have been a thing. But there is really no arguing that it is, unfortunately, a thing.
>>532321601sweden was pretty chill about it but the authoritarianism we saw in many western places really shook me up.especially the BLM riots, i saw the same day George die and it was obvious the cop did nothing wrong, then the next day the whole world lost its mind about it and the Wuhan Flu didn't spread if you went out to protest Georgekids will think it's all just AI unless you make sure to point out AI generation wasn't a thing
>>532321667That's the Trump admin's argument that you think is bad. Imagine being stupider than a nigger woman. Maybe read what the fuck the context is and then kill yourself.
>>532321743It has no relevance in a case about birthright citizenship. She's also drawing an analogy that compares an anchor baby to a tourist in a foreign nation, which goes directly against the position she took on birthright citizenship.
>>532321692It was pretty cut and dry. She argues that if you are subject to any nations laws, then you have an alleigance to that country, and are afforded due process.
>>532321549The full quote is even worse because she is confusing jurisdiction in the sense that one can be subject to US laws within the geographical territory of the United States and the meaning of>and subject to the jurisdiction thereofin the 14th amendmentThere are hundreds, thousands of cases and examples I could point to for the definition and meaning of the words>and subject to the jurisdiction thereofin the context of the 14th amendment but I think Senator Williams from the official congressional record of the 14th amendment itself said it best in pic related.And of course this same interpretation of "jurisdiction" in the context of the 14th amendment was again reaffirmed dozens of times all up into the 1890s with the most famous and prominent examples being Wong Kim Ark and Elk v. Wilkins.
>>532321961you embarrassed yourself, go ahead and close the tab now before you take your own advice. :)
>>532321621She can't define a what a woman is. She was picked for this sort of shit.
>>532321920>i saw the same day George diei saw the body cam video the same day George died...or the night after, as soon as it was released.problem is normies going out to protest never bothered to watch it.
>>532321009She went to Harvard Law school and was on their Law Review. She is smarter and more educated than any of you retarded chuds on this board.
>>532321838I have pointed this out for years. All the people arguing against birthright citizenship **as a matter of law** keep relying on BS arguments about non-American sources of law (eg Emer Vattel) or pretzel-twisted interpretations of existing laws ('subject to the jurisdiction').You can make a good case for limitic BRC **as a matter of policy** but the legislative lift is just as heavy as the judicial one. Abolitionists thought they could fast-talk their way through the courts because they have spent years huffing their own farts and think other people like the scent of their brapps.
>>532321667its such a good argument that birthright citizenship will stay law lol, enjoy the mexicans
>>532321009Her point is valid but you faggots get stuck on muh niggers steal wallet.If a country uses its justice system to process you the same way they would with a citizen, they consider you to have every right their citizens have in a court of law.Thus, when you commit a crime, you are treated the same as a citizen.However, my conclusion is different than hers.We shouldn't prosecute foreign criminals the same way we do with our citizens.Either you send them back or execute them.Personally, I believe once foreigners commit a crime, they should be identified (pictures, fingerprints, dna, etc.) and sent back home.If they somehow come back, even if they don't commit a crime, you execute them by hanging.
>>532321009I don't get it.
I think i understand her point, that birthright citizenship is reality; you're physically in their country hence subject to their laws and part of the country for all intents and purposes.
>>532322087Naw
>>532321009And that's exactly why that dumb nigger was put in that position
>>532321009nigger women are without a doubt the dumbest fucking subhumans on the planet. No wonder based nigga men leave them.
>>532321838Being under jurisdiction of a nation does not make you its citizen. It makes you a resident. She literally made that point herself when she spoke about being a tourist to Japan. Citizenship is not granted to children of visitors from a foreign nation, legal or illegal, in almost every nation on Earth. The "anchor baby" concept is an American thing and is not at all how the 14th amendment was intended to work. It was meant to give former slaves citizenship because they had no home nation to go back to and had lived in the US for generations.
>>532321962Again, the Trump administration is making this argument. You are stupider than a nigger woman. You're trying to attribute the terrible argument made by the Trump administration to a nigger. Unfortunately, it's just that the Trump administration is full of people stupider than niggers.You sure are in for a rude fucking awakening when the judgement comes down. Instead of pushing through constitutional amendments to fix birthright citizenship and legislative changes, kikes started a war in Iran and made H1B job stealing easier.Kill yourself, retard.
>>532321962It seems highly relevant to me. Isn't she talking about the 14th Amendment?
>>532321009Dems picked this nigger.
Trump should have some heavy hitter round up traitors like that cunt and have them hanged on live TV.
>>532321009I can't believe this is realLol
The real answer is keep the anchor babies because 14th, outside getting an amendment through you can't legislate out of it Deport the parent(s) and we keep the kid for army meat grinder stuff
>>532321009>Muttland politics are so fucking gay and stupid the only way to """"""""""create""""""""""" policy is to hope some autistic boomers interpret three random words written 150 years ago and get mad if other autistic boomers interpret the same vague shit in a different way and instead of pressuring for reform you just consume these legal slop and cheer like gay little retarded niggers for fucking lawyers. Also, no other country in the world gives a flying fuck about voter id, also any modern country has separation of powers and all your little rights you think for some reason are so unique to your primitve laughable constitution. >Bbb .. but the uk omgThe uk is the only other country in world who keeps your atrocious legal system lol but no passing a law or even ameding the constitution is not seen as imposible in any other country and people don't expect fucking judges to interpret a paragraph of random feel good words to establish all the law of a country.
>>532321549>doubles down>looks even worseweird flex
>>532322253>the Trump administration is making this argumentThe context we're discussing is Ketanji Brown's argument. Quit trying to deflect you dumb nigger.
>>532322057I have not embarrassed myself, you fucking retard. The Trump administration is the one making the argument in the briefs. You are stupider than a fucking nigger and should kill yourself.
>>532321009>Go to France>Bash someone in the face with a pipe>Police arrest you for assault>In that moment of arrest you're now French since French Police arrested you>This somehow makes senseWhat in the goddamn fuck
You can just go listen to the entire context:https://www.youtube.com/live/qntd3XZ3qQs?t=7321 instead of being retards. It's literally in reference to the government's argument.
>>532322253We should just detain all immigrants and force them to work in cams and factories for free.Forced labor is the answer. If they work for five years, for the betterment of the USA, without pay, they can earn citizenship.Sounds fair to me.
>>532321009Miggers are truly retarded. Her argument is 100% valid and on point. >"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside".She is proving that just being on a visit or temporary visa doesn’t mean they aren’t subject to the jurisdiction of the US.
>>532322344"Imma makes me a hypothetical anaology yo!"It's about stealing. She is dumb AF.
>>532322411The context of Ketanji Brown's argument is the 14th amendment and the retarded argument that the Trump administration is making to invalidate it via executive order.You are simply a subhuman who is stupider than a nigger.My advice is to blow your fucking retarded brains out of the back of your skull.
>>532322431I am confused as well but i guess it's different because someone born in the USA doesn't necessarily have anywhere else to go.
>>532322485which likens the fragility of an alien baby's claim to citizenship to that of a foreign dignitary's offspring. completely worthless.
She, and some other "justices", have to be removed from the bench or else the USSC is now deemed illegitimate.
>>532322431Think a bit further They can then make you stay in that country against your will
>sheboon>nigger (redundant)>woman (redundant)>has opinion amazing
>>532321009Neither women nor niggers possess the cognitive ability to make decisions about legal systems, let alone a female nigger.
>>532321920I think the BLM riots were wargames to plan protests in places like Iran which is why it was promoted internationally so much.
>>532321655It was over when they killed JFK and installed LBJew in the white house
>>532321838>sheboon>correct Kek, the stupid cunt doesn’t even know what a woman is.
>>532321009And yet somehow sounds less retarded than trump every single day
>>532322573No it doesn’t. A foreign dignitary's offspring isn’t subject to the US jurisdiction. The whole reason why “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is there in the first place is to exclude them.
>>532322485>jurisdiction is an on/off switch and not variableThis is why you niggers are so retardedIn one breath you acknowledge that there ARE exceptions to "jurisdiction" in Native Americans up until 1928, "Ambassadors", and "Foreign soldiers occupying US lands", but then in the next breath you argue as if jurisdiction is a simple binary on/off switch.No that is not how it worksTo be protected under the 14th amendment one must be COMPLETELY under the jurisdiction thereof the United States and simply being subject to US laws is not enough, otherwise the Native Americans who were STILL subject to US laws even inside of many of their "quasi nation state" reservations but were NOT protected under the 14th as ruled in Elk v. Wilkins (1884). This was the law of the land for nearly a century until an act of congress changed it for all native americans in the 1920s. No such act of congress has been passed for illegal migrants or temporary visa holders.
You have to be pretty stupid think to that simply being held to the criminal laws of a land that you are in makes you "under the jurisdiction" of that land.Can illegal aliens be drafted?Are they subject to conscription in time of war?No, they're not, because they're not actually under the jurisdiction of the United States. They're foreigners.
I'm pretty sure this is the kinda retarded shit going on in Thomas's head too, he's just afraid to talk because he'll spill ebonics spaghetti.
>>532321009I don’t get the arguement being beholden to a countries laws within their boarders doesn’t mean you’re a citizen
>>532322485>shitskin flag sides with the dumb sheboonOk subhuman
>>532322901>>532322964Making namefag 4chan for normies was such a mistake The only people I wish death on these days are twitter screen cap cancer faggots like you
>>532322518Biden should burn in hell for appointing this subhuman
>>532323021>there ARE exceptions to "jurisdiction" in Native Americans up until 1928Because Native land is sovereign land, you fucking retard>Foreign Soldiers occupying US landsIn fact, it's "U.S. land that is occupied by a foreign army" that makes it not eligible, you fucking retarded subhumanIt's pretty fucking simple stuff. The amendment is as clear as day. It's not a hard read at all. The only choice is to amend the amendment.You are stupider than a nigger woman. How does it feel to be stupider than a fucking nigger?
>>532322242>Being under jurisdiction of a nation does not make you its citizen.It doesn't make YOU a citizen, but it makes your children citizens if they're born here. This is just fact. I wish it wasn't the case, but it is. How else are we to interpret the 14th amendment?>>532322860She's correct in this particular instance; there's no arguing otherwise unless you want to argue against the dictionary.
>>532321009Certainly the most retarded statement of 2026 by any public figure worldwide
>>532323021>one must be COMPLETELY under the jurisdiction thereof the United States and simply being subject to US laws is not enoughHow do you define “COMPLETELY under the jurisdiction”?Which part of US jurisdiction an alien wouldn’t be subject to while they are in the US? Let’s see what you got, retard.
>>532322253Deportation isn’t a punishment, it’s a clerical correction really. You don’t belong here since you never applied to be a citizen through the proper channels you have to go home. Why is that so hard to understand?
>>532321838If presence was sufficient under the 14th, they wouldn't have needed an additional law to give Native Americans citizenship.
>>532323169Just because you learned 2010 pol lingo, YWSTILLNBAW degenerate
>>532321549A lot of words to see the legal definition of.Here's how it should be. Your parents are non-citizens. You are not a citizen. Simple as. Im bold enough to go to great grand parents.
>>532323209>sovereign landNative American land has NEVER been considered "sovereign land" not once in US history. They are treated as "quasi nation states" with have heavy emphasis on "quasi" this is why the US was able to justify it repeatedly taking land that they promised to the native americans over and over and over and over again because officially according to US law the "reservations" are still on US soil and everything there is owned by the US government they just have a "treaty" with the native American Tribes to let them live there and mostly govern themselves, but at any moment the US government can claim ownership of that land because ultimately it belongs to them.The Native Americans are a conquered people with no homeland left, it's that simple.
mm-hmm get used to it sweaty, this is the BIPOC century
>>532321549In other words since you're subject to the laws of the country while inside the country, that should automatically make any babies you shit out citizens of the country you're temporarily visiting?Retarded argument even without the summarizing/censoring (however you want to view it)
>>532321601yea man, once a week i get caught off guard thinking about what my life was like 6 years ago. its depressing and pisses me off like no other. youre not alone.. we just have to figure it out. my entire life was shaken up.
>>532321177why are the walls exposed brickwhy arent they plasterthat looks like a prisonamerican prisons actually look like that insideall the lgbt stuff aside, that looks like a really unpleasant room to be invery demoralising
>>532323238>How else are we to interpret the 14th amendment?By recognizing that nobody thinks that illegal aliens and tourist are obligated register with the selective service for the fucking draft. You fucking retard.If you are not eligible to be fucking drafted in times of fucking war, you are not under the jurisdiction of the United States. You have to be pretty fucking stupid to think otherwise....or do you think it would be perfectly valid for the US government to start rounding up illegals and send them to go fight in Iran? Is that a concept that rings legally valid in your mind? Ukrainian style meat wagons rolling around snatching up illegal aliens and tourists to send them to go fight Iran?
>>532323491awwwwwwwwww sheeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiit!
>>532321009>ayo>so if I uh…steal sum>in like, Japan or whatevuh>an’ dey arress mah ass>*CHIRP*>I be Japanese an’ sheeeit?Toppest zozzle.
>>532323319>You don’t belong here since you never applied to be a citizen through the proper channels you have to go home.>starts schizobabbling as if I'm a spic>>Why is that so hard to understand?Why is it so hard for you to understand that since they're subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, that those spics can be deported? Except for the ones that were born here. That's just the reality of the 14th amendment.This thread is filled with retards spewing out paragraphs coping that a nigger is somehow smarter than them. I guess that's what happens when election tourist MIGAkikes believe they are right at home with their 85 IQ.Imagine being stupider than a fucking ape and not being able to understand that this is the government's terrible argument.
>>532323284>how do you define "Completely subject to the jurisdiction"well thankfully I don't have toSCOTUS did that for me in 1884 with Elk v. Wilkins see pic related
>>532323319If illegal entry is a crime deportation is a punishment Can't have both If they have a baby after doing the crime you can't just hand it back, it's now a ward of your state under your jurisdiction exactly because of the 14th >>532323533Can't just hand babies or children back to criminals. You could follow the law and also discourage having anchor babies if we just kicked out the illegal parents and kept your kids and did sparta style shit
>>532323410>Im bold enough to go to great grand parents.But not further?At some point you have to define citizenship without reference to parents or else you go to Adam and Eve, who either were or weren't citizens, thus making all of humanity the same.
>>532323404If you weren't here for Romney Ryan lower your tone when speaking to me
>>532321549Fucking Kek, this cannot be real
>>532323533>that should automatically make any babies you shit out citizens of the country you're temporarily visiting?You retards are truly incapable of simple logic. The us constitution isn’t the constitution of the whole world. It only applies to the US. SCOTUS job is to interpret the law not to make a law. You don’t like the law, then you ask the congress to change it.
>>532323732You need to be born to a legal citizen the grand father part was him being nice.
>It's my honor to introduce to the country a daughter of former public school teacher...teachers, a proven consensus builder, an...ah...a accomplished lawyer, an distinguished jurist...one of the Nation's mostest...best...most bestest...most...on one of the Nation's most prestigious courts. My nominee for the United States Supreme Court is Judge Ketanji Jackson.>Her opinions are always carefully reasoned, tethered to precedent, and demon...demo...demonstrate respect for how the law impacts everyday people. It means she...ah it doesn't mean that puts her thumb on the scale of justice one way or the other, but she understands the broader impact of her the...the things...decisions.t. Joe BidenOn nominating Ketanji Brown Jackson to the Supreme Court of the United StatesFebruary 25th, 2022
>>532323639Women aren't eligible to be drafted
>>532323714>Can't have bothOf course you can.Is a suspended sentence also a punishment?
>>532323702First, the argument here is about temporary visa travelers, not illegals. Second, do we consider a citizen who violates the law of the US to not be completely subject to US jurisdiction?
>>532323897>Well I think I'm a citizen because my father was a citizen, but how can I be sure?>My father was born to my grandfather, but was my grandfather a citizen?>I think so because his father was a citizen because his father was a citizen because his father was a citizen...Do you see the problem?
>>532321009if you go to a foreign nation and commit a local crime you are at the mercy of that nation, they are under no obligation to treat you like a citizen.the only protections you are afforded are those negotiated by your home nation.
>>532321549Her argument is still wrong. It's like a burlgalar breaking in your house and slipping on your floor and the authorities making you pay for the damages. Obviously a weak argument not fit for the Supreme Court
>>532321549>If I was an illegal you can't arrest me for committing a crime because if you arrest me and give me due process I'm being influenced by the same rules as a normal citizen and that makes me a citizen somehow. ?????????????Niggers are genuinely the dumbest fucking monkeys on earth.What do they expect us to do? Ignore them?
>>532324149Only a banana republic would have such a logic.
>>532321009If you steal a wallet in derka derka stan
>>532321838>You are subject to the jurisdiction of a country you are in>I think birthright citizenship is a thingchange law: it's not a thing.you're welcome.if you put up a statue in my honour please depict me wearing a T-shirt that says I'M WITH STUPID but the arrow points down, to my penis. Thx.
>>532324033You are mistaking legal terms with your feelings
>>532324214>>532324214>Obviously a weak argument not fit for the Supreme CourtYeah, which is why the Supreme Court is going to rule against the Trump Administration, because this is the Trump Administration's argument that you're saying is wrong.Good job, being stupider than a fucking pavement ape. Subhuman degenerate.
>>532321549If you came to america legally as a traveler or permanent resident alien i think certain exceptions should be made. That being said, if i went on a vacation with my 9 mos pregananent wife and she gave birth in japan, while id call my kid gaijin for the rest of his or her life, i wouldnt expect permanent residency exceptions for my child.t. son of a mother whos family has been here since the mayflower and whos father is a teabag with sheep rustler and drunkards going back to the 1600s from northern england.P.S. i was a zogbot for 10 years too.
>>532323933>Women aren't eligible to be draftedWomen play life on easy mode. They're not subject to the full jurisdiction of the US government either.
>>532324214>a burlgalar breaking in your house and slipping on your floor and the authorities making you pay for the damages.actually, cases exactly like this have been successful in US courts many, many times --- including the successful case of a burglar trying to break in through a skylight which then collapsed, causing injury. you might not like it, but that is peak American legal justice.
>>532321009Yes she's not only retarded, but intentionally retarded for a political purpose that harms the American people.
>>532324304Says the guy that thinks getting a free plane trip back to your own country is a punishment.
>>532321838>You can't arrest us and throw us in jail if we're illegal and commiting a crime because then were subject to your laws and that makes us citizens. No it doesn't, it just makes you another shitskin to deport. Your terms are acceptable.
>>532322413At this point the only migapedos left are either glowies or genuinely retarded amerimutts
>>532324417That was from a movie, not a real case.
>>532324417>actually, cases exactly like this have been successful in US courts many, many timesThats liberalism for you. Justice for criminals and they wonder why they lost.
>>532321549Truly bizarre line of argument: that presence equals allegiance, as if every tourist is committing treason against their home nation (and place of genuine allegiance) by their mere presence in a foreign realm.
>>532321009You still lost tranny
>>532321482No, but if you committed a crime there, you’d be tried and convicted as any Japanese citizen would be. You may also retain certain rights as an American such as having a lawyer to ensure a fair trial, but you’re still subject to the host country’s law.
>>532324588She's confusing allegiance with jurisdiction, but you're just off on your ass. Committing "a" crime on foreign soil doesn't reflect much on the laws of your home country, only the host one. And except maybe North Korea, no one's going to construct simply being out of country as "treason."
>>532321549Most retreads here don’t even have the most basic understanding of how things work in the US. Most of the arguments are against the law itself rather than the interpretation of the law. They think that the judge must be changing the law to what trump wants.
>>532321838>subject to the jurisdiction of a country you are inAnd in what way is that allegiance? Do tourists commit treason by their mere presence in a foreign realm? Do drunken Englishmen owe allegiance to the Spanish king while downing pints in Tenerife? Utterly ridiculous conflation of two entirely different concepts.
>>532321592No, simply because they get more attention if they don't.
>>532324460Jailing people costs you money too dipshit Most people don't want to be thereYou really are an emotional woman
>>532324588Try googling "owing allegience legal term"And then realize that you're stupider than a fucking pavement ape.
>>532323872>You retards are truly incapable of simple logic.I just applied simple logic and you ignored it in favor of emotional screeching.>The us constitution isn’t the constitution of the whole world.Yeah nothing I said implied that in the slightest, you have reading comprehension issues, probably as a result of you being an emotional mess.
>>532324588Yes, it's unfathomably cretinous because the distinction is codified and applied normally for centuries now. Tourists and temporary "visitors" of all types are subject to laws and limits
>>532324088Your father or mother has to prove his citizenship at birth.When you are born if a parent cant provide this you arent a citizen.
>>532324214>Her argument is still wrong. It's like a burlgalar breaking in your house and slipping on your floor and the authorities making you pay for the damages. Obviously a weak argument not fit for the Supreme CourtThat almost exactly happened in the Dickerson back 1998.>Terrence Dickinson attempted to buglarize a house while the owners were on vacation>He broke into the garage through a window, in the process slipping, damaging the windowframe, and causing it to be stuck in a closed state>Tried to escape through the garage door, but it was broken and would not work>Tried to escape through the connecting door to the garage and the house but it turned out it was locked.>Ended up trapped in the garage for eight days surviving off of dog food and soda>Homeowners return, heard him yelling from the garage, call the police and he was arrested for buglary>When he got out, he sued the property owner and won $500,000 for the mental torture he suffered as a result of his own actions
>>532323324As shitty as it looks in retrospect, there were fundamental questions about whether the American government included, superseded, or abrogated the citizenship of sovereign nation-states within its borders, like the Tribes. Deciding YES on Native Americans but NO on Ambassadorial staff families took a long time to arrive at.
>>532322109>Either you send them back or execute them.Dunno, that would set up perverse incentives to use foreigners as criminal proxies, as you see in India. Though these days, what's the difference?
>>532321838That doesn't make you a citizen of Japan. It just means they can throw your ass in jail, or deport you.
>>532324857She's referring to the obligation owed by foreign nationals while residing within a country. Entitled to protection but requiring obedience to local laws.That's local, or temporary, allegiance.Glad we had yet another useless fucking thread where you retards spout bullshit and demonstrate that meme flags and MIGA election tourists are stupider than niggers, and then the retards not understanding that this isn't about what SHOULD be the law, but what is the law.If MIGA wanted the law changed, they could change the law. Instead they started a kike war.
>>532322401>a paragraph of random feel good words to establish all the law of a country.The Preamble isn't considered actual law, just aspirational.I agree with basically every other point. In any other society, we'd be three Constitutions deep by now.
>>532321009So this is about jurisdiction. Trump's council made a half-assed argument about "allegiance". That racist argument you see here, about only White men being citizens. Trump's council said that one of the original framers, Senator Cowen was a vile racist. The watered down argument made no sense.
>>532321009I award that ape no points, and may Yakub have mercy on her soul.
>>532324833>Jailing people costs you money too dipshitBeing sent to another country isn't the equivalent of imprisonment. What are you even trying to say anon?
>>532322630>NOW deemedAnon, they've been all but shredding the Constitution for 50 years. If the Government wants to fuck your privacy, only maybe Alito would tell them no. How convenient he died, right?
>>532323622Every school in America looks like this and in most of them they either have no windows or the windows are blocked.
>>532321009Fuck there is a literal baboon on the court that is actually dumber than an actual baboon. I can only pray God smites this fucking animal because she has wayyyyvtoo much power for a literal animal.
>>532321009I think she was making an example, given the comtext of the conversation.
>>532321549>Get full contextYep still just as fucking retarded, just with more bix and more nood
>>532321592>>532324806Clearly you too do not
>>532325123You equated deportation to "a free plane ticket home" which is an emotional statement To the person being deported it is a punishment usually Much like how some see jail as "free room and board" whole true most people don't want to be there You stupid emotional faggot
>>532324924How can you prove citizenship without having to prove that your great great great great great great great ad infinitum grandfather was a citizen?
>>532322201>part of the country for all intents and purposesSo you commit treason to King Charles every time you go on holidays? Hand yourself in to be hung, drawn, and quartered then mate. You do hear about all those people going on holidays in Cyprus and Switzerland being conscripted to their armies and forced to do national service, being "part of their country for all intents and purposes" as tourists. And all the people who travel around the world in one financial year having to file tax returns and pay income tax over and over everywhere they visited because as tourists they were "part of the country for all intents and purposes". A very stupid post.
>>532324852God you’re so retarded. >that should automatically make any babies you shit out citizens of the country you're temporarily visitingYou’re generalizing the issue over the entire world to give some fake weight to your argument. If you can’t see the generalization in your argument, you’re retrded beyond redemption.
>>532325177>pic>le basedface>but le epin beeeeeard>literal o-face10 years ago we'd call him a faggot and be right. No reason to stop now.
>>532325213>You equated deportation to "a free plane ticket home" which is an emotional statementHow is that an emotional statement anon? That's literally the unemotional truth. Saying that they consider going home to be a punishment is the emotional statement.You genuinely don't see the difference between being sent back to your home to live in freedom, and being sent to a prison that restricts your freedom? Those two things are equivalent in your mind, and you're calling me emotional?
>>532324588The presence itself isn’t the specific allegiance, so much as a willingness to remain and be held accountable under the same law as American citizens are held. The 14th Amendment itself defines the geographical new born presence as a qualifier for citizenship. That newborn is subject to American law rather than the law of his parent's country. He is welcome to leave if he decides that he does not want to remain remain under the obligations of American citizenship.
>>532323319Why not just remove this shit where children can give parents citizenship/legal status? The kid gets citizenship but she can't stay because her guardians aren't legal.
>>532323622The building I went to school in was a WWII "temporary" army barracks. Each barracks room was converted into a classroom, the urinals in the boys room was a giant trough, and the water from the water fountain tasted like lead. I'm pretty sure like 90% of my retardation comes from the paintchips I got dared to eat by another kid one day when I was in kindergarten.They tore it down in the mid 00s to build a "modern" school building, but that got destroyed by a storm a year later. Turns out lead painted bricks hand laid by WWII conscripts from the Army Corp of Engineers is stronger than anything modern man can produce.
>>532322485They aren't subject to the full jurisdiction of the US. A tourist can't commit treason against the US, a tourist doesn't pay income tax to the US by mere virtue of his presence, and a host of other differences between full jurisdiction of his person and everyday jurisdiction of presence. They are not subjects of the United States by their mere presence. The tourist does not commit treason against his home nation by his mere presence in another nation, which is what your construction would logically entail.
>>532321743>Stealing a wallet and being imprisoned and then deported, is the same as child birth and claiming to be a citizenCongratulations, you are the dumbest nigger
>>532321549So if youre visiting a country you can be legally drafted to their military?
>>532321009I believe her that she did indeed steal a wallet in Japan
>>532325435You really have to do a bunch of mental gymnastics to get there that are predicated on your deliberate lack of understanding (liberal style pretend to be ignorant) and edgy performative grandstanding mixed with a proud lack of empathy Diagnosis: dies a mad virgin or lives to troon out, still necks xirself
>>532322047Exactly, it's like saying a bank, as in a sand bank, is the same as a monetary institution with the same common parlance. The bitch is painfully dumb
>>532323238>How else are we to interpret the 14th amendment?That it is limited to the children of citizens and permanent residents: those subject to the full jurisdiction of the United States, not merely its littering laws.
>>532322087>What is affirmative action
>>532325535The parents get permanent resident status as guardians to that child, not citizenship. They remain legally entitled to remain in the United States.
>>532322401>Also, no other country in the world gives a flying fuck about voter idWhy do you lie like this? Is it like breathing for you?
if birthright citizenship is retroactive like that one schizo claims it's going to be, a whole lot of whites will be eligible for deportarion and not a lot of blacksmost blacks have been in the country for far longer than many white immigrant descendantsjust something to consider
>>532323284Treason, income tax, conscription, acceptance of foreign titles and awards, and many more. You do not commit treason against your home nation by visiting another, as your ridiculous construction requires. You don't have to do national service in Switzerland because you visited on a skiing holiday. You are not legally obliged to never travel to the enemy country of Israel (underbIndonesian law) because you went for a surfing trip to Bali. And so on.
>>532325784Yeah, my point was to remove that. Being the guardians not giving you resident status so you have to leave with the child.
>>532322813I always mark the glownigger/mafia/Israeli coup as the beginning of the end as well.But the poison was injected in 1913, that was just the knife in the back that had us bleeding out since then
>>532325975Does Brazil have birthright citizenship?
>>532323199>Implying he even had the mental capacity to decide when he shitI know who did though. And they are famous for loving niggers and then projecting their niggerphillia on to (You)
>>532323209>Because Native land is sovereign land>Reservations are now longer subject to federal law, because he says soJust stop. Stop right now.
>>532325621If a tourist gets either sponsorship or a work visa, they can work here, and yes, they are subject to our laws, can be tried and convicted. A tourist may not get tried for treason but they can be tried for espionage, crimes against our government, etc.Keep in mind, a tourist has lived his life in another country, formed alliances and allegiances; a newborn child born on American soil has not. A newborn child born on American soil is a separate entity from his parents who were born elsewhere.
>>532325621>A tourist can't commit treason against the USWrong> There is no direct ruling on the question of whether only citizens can commit treason. In Carlisle v. United States, 83 U.S. (16 Wall.) 147, 154–155 (1873), the Court declared that aliens while domiciled in this country owe a temporary allegiance to it and may be punished for treason equally with a native-born citizen in the absence of a treaty stipulation to the contrary. This case involved the attempt of certain British subjects to recover claims for property seized under the Captured and Abandoned Property Act, 12 Stat.>a tourist doesn't pay income tax to the US by mere virtue of his presence,Wrong, tourists aren’t allowed to work in the first place. However, if they earned some income legally in the US, they are required to pay taxes. Your entire argument is about what you think that the us law says about tourists. “Subject to jurisdiction” actually applies to diplomats and their offspring, where they can’t be persecuted in the US and only their home country jurisdiction applies to them.
>>532323491SPIRIT AIRLINES FLIGHTS ARE GONNA BE LIT!*Beeopp Beeopp* What dat sound is?Oh da cockpit jus make dat sound some times*Beeoopp beeoopp* ITS THE SOUND OF THE TERRAIN
>>532324763And? That is not the argument at all. You are not capable of commiting treason against the country you visit as a tourist, because you do not owe allegiance to that country, and are therefore not under its full jurisdiction. Nor do you have to do military service, be conscripted, or pay income tax on your years earning, the moment you step off the plane to visit your Hawaii resort.
>>532324927That isn't a real case.
>>532326047Yes
>>532324845You are simply wrong. There is no allegiance owed to a foreign sovereign simply by virtue of presence. A tourist can not commit treason against America or Japan simply by being there.
>>532325708>predicated on your deliberate lack of understanding I understand perfectly fine.You're trying to argue that not having a right to be in another country is actually a punishment.
>>532326047Yeshttps://nomadcapitalist.com/global-citizen/birth-tourism-countries-that-give-citizenship-by-birth/
>>532325964In the Gulf Arab countries tourists are being arrested for taking photos. They are not traitors, but those governments have jurisdiction over these tourists. They don't have diplomatic immunity. The tourists are subject to those governments laws. Tourists here are subject to our laws. One of those laws says that a child born here, on US soil, becomes a US citizen. How do you prevent birth tourism? You prevent pregnant women from flying on tourist visas, or you make new laws.
There's nothing funnier than a bunch of yt Trump voting retards that barely passed highschool thinking they're more intelligent than a supreme court justice.
>>532325303He looks like a faggotHe is also rightTwo things can be true at the same time
>>532326268Learn about the Marshall Trilogy. You are stupider than a fucking pavement ape. Blow your brains out, subhuman degenerate.
>>532326466So illegal entry isn't a crimeGot it, I knew you wanted open borders.
>>532321389Based Never forget
>>532323109She’s saying if you willingly chose to enter a country and abide by its laws, you’ve demonstrated enough allegiance to be granted full benefits.Like when I walk into BlackRocks corporate headquarters and throw some trash away, I’m entitled to full employment benefits and salary
>>532325975Abduct an American citizen, an infant at that. That’s not going to be very popular.
>>532326457See>>532325061>in exchange for protection.Then blow your retarded brains out, meme shitter.
>>532321009like all blacks, when she tries to make a point she fails miserably and just says nonsense
>first black person to figure out hypotheticals>instantly comes up a situation that involves stealing a wallet
>>532325964Again, I have already shown that most of these claims are false. And even the true ones are still the US law. It’s the US law that distinguish between citizens and noncitizens. And both are still subject to that law equally. To better understand the meaning of “jurisdiction” check how the law applies to diplomats with diplomatic immunity.
>>532325623Notice how the shill won’t respond to your correct logic
>>532325919Yeah njggers really are the congenital birth defect of America. Thanks jews.
>>532326528The Trump "allegiance" argument was weak or non-existent. They were talking about jurisdiction. Even a tourist falls under US jurisdiction. A diplomat does not.
>>532326457SCOTUS disagrees
>>532321009Imagine posting a conservative jew working for israel (babylon bee) on a nazi board. Fuck you OP - yes ketanji jackson is a diversity hire, but she's much smarter than you. You know there ARE black people with 120, 130 IQs, even if at a lower proportion? Its not a random lady off the street, it's a supreme court judge.Ofc I want birthright citizenship taken away, but make an actual argument you lazy kike. You won't because the purpose of your post is to get people to hate on blacks instead of you filthy kikes who dragged us into a war that's costing us hundreds of billions and american lives already. Fuck you - go to hell.
>>532326348>IfSort of like how IF an illegal alien obtains legal status their children might be illegible for citizenship, but since they didn't they shouldn't?
>>532326509>Tribal lands are sovereign statesHey by the way, does federal law apply on native lands? Oh wait it does?>Marshall trilogy Oh you mean that which established them as, wait for it .....>Domestic dependent nations>Dependent Say it with me again>DependentAnd you call others dumb niggers, were you looking in a mirror when you were typing?
>>532326528Where are you getting “full benefits”? Even as American citizens, you’re fooling yourself if you think you’re going to get the “full benefits” that America has to offer. You walk into Blackrock as a visitor, you get to visit the bathroom and maybe get coffee. You are still subject to the same rules as all the employees regarding tagging the bathroom walls with graffiti or stealing the condiments from the break rooms.
Native Americans were once outside US jurisdiction, our laws did not apply to them, our courts held no power over them. Today all Native Americans born on US soil are citizens. They still have their own tribal governments, their own laws, and their own courts.
>>532321009Ketanji sounds japanese
>>532326513>So illegal entry isn't a crimeHow does that follow from me saying you think not having a right to exist in another country is a punishment?
>>532326635It just painfully obvious innit? The AstroTurfing,
>>532326528If you were born in Blackrock and company policy permits legacy employees, you might have a good shot at joining the team.
>>532321549The most eloquent and educated nigger in the world, gentlemen.
>>532325296>Ugh gosh jeez sheeshNobody cares about your emotional bellyaching.>You’re generalizing the issue over the entire world to give some fake weight to your argument.No I'm not. The argument has weight as narrowly applied to the US. Our laws don't make this argument literally anywhere.>If you don't interpret your argument the way I do instead of the way you do, you're retarded!Okay retard.
>>532326907>does federal law apply on native landsThe US constitution sure as fuck doesn't."You are stupider than a pavement ape."Repeat this over and over again until you acknowledge it. Because you are, in fact, stupider than a fucking darkie pavement ape.
>>532321009link you retarded gorilla fuckig nigger
>>532323702It used to be reddit that had dumb people acting smart
>>532326713Diplomats are representative of their country, tourists are just visitors here for their own desire.
>>532321549shes the dumbest nigger alive and you are even dumber for looking at this babbling nigress and thinking anything she says could possibly be worth repeating. by stealing the wallet you are literally going AGAINST declaring allegiance to Japan by ignoring its laws, first of which were its immigration laws. this is syllogistic in its simplicity, and her fucking retarded sloped head should not be in the supreme court if she equates criminal activity by an illegal as "allegiance" just because the cops have to arrest the thieving/murdering nigger. it makes absolutely no sense and it is shocking what a DEI whore she is
>>532327028So wait you can cook meth on tribal lands legally? You can manufacture full auto machine guns and rocket propelled grenades? Shit no way! Oh wait. >Repeat this over and over again until you acknowledge it. Because you are, in fact, stupider than a fucking darkie pavement ape.Why are you typing to mirror?
>>532321621No it's real, and Roberts is a cucked and biased pussy in this regard.
>>532326974Because again it's edgy emotional grandstanding You get deported because you get caught having illegally entered (includes overstaying visas) Therefore the punishment for the crime is deportation There are many cases where people do it a crime and live free and clear for a while then get charged and given their punishment
>>532321009Well, the good thing is, she makes siding with her a legally indefensible position. She’s the best argument so far against birthright citizenship.
>>532327150I'd go even farther and put this ape creature on her back foot by saying allegiance is not something that can be declared, but it something emergent that results from your ancestors having invested in the country, which is the ENTIRE point of the case. her argument is pathetic 80iq subhuman-tier
>>532321549Being subject to law is not the same as citizenshipThis fucking chimpanzee is a Supreme Court justice lmfao
>>532326852If an illegal alien earns legal status, then they are no longer illegal. I don’t understand your comment. Are you saying if they have children with them on arrival, that the kids are still illegal despite the parents now legal status? Any kids the born in the US will be legal. Generally, if an immigrant is granted legal status, their kids are too.
>>532327150If Japan can arrest you, you are subject to their laws. They have jurisdiction over you.
>>532327410She had the least support in history for confirmation. She almost didn't make it on but, I can't remember who it was, flipped their vote and then nearly immediately vacated their seat and retired from politicsI would hate to see what the kikes had on them
>>532327167No, because that's federal law. But they're not subject to the jurisdiction of the US because they retain inherent self-governance recognized through treaties and federal law. i.e., they're their own government, and the US constitution does not apply to them. Sovereign. And thus, they would not be citizens of the USA without the federal law.Again, you are stupider than a pavement ape. No amount of gifs or cope will change that you are stupider than a nigger.You lost. You're a subhuman degenerate who is stupider than a darkie. Sorry you got dealt a bad hand, but you deserve to be bullied for being a fucking smug retard. If you weren't so smug about it, those with IQs above 110 wouldn't be bullying you subhuman degernates in the thread for being stupider than a pavement ape.
>>532321009>SHEEEEEITT, MUH NIGGA FUGGA WE STEAL N SHEEEIIIITWhite Americans: "She makes a good point, you know"
>>532327479>Their is only one type or meaning of the word jurisdiction >One type of jurisdiction is all encompassing
>>532327410>Being subject to law is not the same as citizenshipThat’s trump’s entire argument you fucking retard.
>>532321549Yeah, this doesn’t make what she was saying any less retarded
>>532321549wow, chuds really tried to make this big brain black kween look dumb?they hella stupid
>>532327589>No, because that's federal law. But they're not subject to the jurisdiction of the USI didn't read past that. I don't think you understand how gottdang dumb you sound
>>532325758>those subject to the full jurisdiction of the United StatesI just googled 14th amendment, and it doesn't have the word "full". It just says jurisdiction.You just need to make a new amendment to add the word full.
>>532326974It’s actually a misdemeanor for failure to file paperwork upon arrival. People who get caught crossing the border illegally are held for processing (finger printed and mug shots for possible later identification) and turned back over to their side of the border of which they crossed. They are not tried or prosecuted for first offense.
>>532327410Subject to the law.The law grants birthright citizenship.Japan does not have birthright citizenship, Brazil does. If someone is born in Brazil and they are subject to the law (don't have diplomatic immunity), then they get birthright citizenship.
>>532327234>Because again it's edgy emotional grandstandingbut it's not, it can't be a punishment if its the same consequence that someone who DOESN'T break the law faces. If someone obeys the law and leaves the country when their visa expires are they being punished despite not committing a crime?The actual punishment for illegal entry isn't deportation, it's potentially being made ineligible for future citizenship.
>>532327589>No, because that's federal law. But they're not subject to the jurisdictionRetard
>>532327479I could arrest you. Now are you subject to my law? And now that I have jurisdiction over you, suck my dick faggot
>>532327641Trump's council made a poor argument, thus the confusion.
>>532327410She's not talking about citizenship. She's talking about local, or temporary allegiance.When a Russian, a fellow mutter up slav, visits your slav shithole, they "owe allegiance"That is, they owe "temporary" or "local allegiance" in exchange for protection. The Russnigger needs to make sure he's a good boy, lest he loses the protection that temporary, or local, allegiance affords him.If said Russnigger is not a good boy, he loses the protection, and can be either captured and held prisoner, deported, or just straight up executed.
>>532327426>Any kids the born in the US will be legal.They shouldn't be.>but they are and they shouldn't be.
>>532327730https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2025/07/14/dea-operation-overdrive-targets-fentanyl-traffickers-yakama-nation-indianGuys, you can traffick fentanyl on tribal lands because reasons right?Unreal. I cannot believe that fucking retard has the audacity to call anyone else dumb
>>532326371>that's not the argument at allTake your own advice, numbnuts. For starters, a crime that might broach national security would be charged as espionage. They get charged with it all the time. And again, no one's structuring that you become a citizen upon committing a crime, only that a host nation has powers of arrest and seizure even if someone itsn't a citizen. The whole point is getting the DoJ to quit playing cute about "under the jurisdiction thereof." In 99% of cases, being on our soil means you're subject to our law. Bound by the law, not necessary enshrined as a citizen.Fabulism gets you nowhere, even with a fruity accent.
>>532327851Wat
>>532321549That's such a breathtakingly stupid argument.
>>532321601Im from Michigan and i remember people yelling at me and my family in grocery stores for not wearing a mask.....the garden section in meijer shut down and one way arrows in the isles......the seniors in highschool not being able to compete in state championships in their respective sports....shit the town i live in gated ip the town tennis courts.....most normies totally forgot and are like !oh yah! When you remind them
>>532327730No, I don't sound stupid at all other than to retards like you who are stupid than a fucking pavement ape. Because it's a very complicated blend of sovereignty.>>532327947The Feds have jurisdiction over "major crimes".That has nothing to do with the fact that Indians wouldn't be subject to the 14th amendment, and thus had to have Congress come in and fix it.I understand that you're seething because you're stupider than a fucking darkie. But that's just the hand you were dealt, being born a fucking retard.
>>532327820That sounds like kidnapping. Trump's council said one thing, but want it to mean another. They want to re-interpret the law as it has NEVER been applied. That would require new laws. The law doesn't mean one thing today, and the opposite tomorrow. Is that fair? That Trump should pass new laws to actually say and do what he wants?
>>532328079Yes, that's the Trump Administration's argument.That's why they're going to lose.
>>532325525It's not a question of their intent, it's a question of the government's intent: did the government intend them to be permanent residents. Slaves were legally imported with the intent they, and their children, would remain present in the US for life. The intent of the individual doesn't matter, no one interviews babies in hospital, or asked the slaves upon emancipation, whether they want to be citizens or not. Allegiance is not a contract one party can ordinarily enter and withdraw from, it's a grant from the sovereign that is bestowed upon a subject.
>>532328056Jurisdiction. Partial allegiance vs full allegiance. Citizen vs traveler.
>>532321009>If I commit a crime there and get caught, I'm in a sense owing allegiance >Therefore illegals should be citizensBased Judge Bix Nood
>>532321601I was rooting so hard for you leafs during the trucker protest...im close to the Blue water bridge so i saw it on this side of our border....fucking hell
>>532328079That was an example of the stupid and incomplete argument Trump's council made. That was a neutered argument of the one's seen here, to not seem "racist".
>>532321275Stop being fucking racist and listen chud, a black woman is speaking.
>>532321601towards the end of it I was in the supermarket and this lady with the whole face shield screamed at me for touching her cart and pushing it away from the fridge when I wanted to get something from itI'm very sensitive so I almost cried
>>532321009I'd be curious to hear what her interpretation of the law is. Specifically what she means by "owing allegiance".
>>532327930Your opinion, man. Current law says, “they are.”Kids are recognized as separate entities from their parents. A child born on US soil knows no other country. He is the same as any child born on American soil, regardless of his parent’s status.America could take the route of British law requiring that the child choose citizenship by 21 should a child born in America choose to return to the country of their parents origin and possess a second citizenship their.
>>532321009>If
>>532328186Dude please stop. It's embarrassing >>532327589You cannot come back from such an utterly imbecilic statement such as thatGottdang. No matter how many goal posts you move and pilpul you spew, myself and everyone who reads that post will only see you as pic related >And he doubles down>No no no, the FBI can bust and imprison you for federal crimes but you are under their jurisdiction and you are totally sovereign!Once again. See pic related for how you are now viewed.
>>532328587Subject to its laws, even if you break them. Not having legal immunity. Jurisdiction.
Easily one of the top DEI-is-bad examples in American history. She regularly tries to parrot intellectual conversation but it doesnt work. It's just word salad
>>532328587You could do that for free already. The entire session is recorded and posted in many places online. The owing allegiance stuff is part of the government's argument btw.
>>532328547i watched a fat woman lay hands on an old woman when the old woman put her groceries on the belt and the fat woman had hallucinated some rule against that. i'm not particularly sympathetic to boomers but that woman did nothing wrong and was assaulted over it by someone completely brainwashed. Incredibly uncomfortable to witness.
>>532328587“Owing allegiance”would simply mean abiding by another country’s laws when on their soil. Obligatory allegiance may some it up better.
>>532328665>GottdangThere's no goalposts moved. Indian Reservations are sovereign land, governed by the tribe. They would not have US citizenship without the Snyder Act.You are a fucking retard. I'd continue telling you to blow your brains out, but I know for a fact that a subhuman like you doesn't even own a gun. Maybe go to a range and just pop one off to put yourself out of your misery, being stupider than a nigger.
>>532321715She absolutely did say that. You can find the oral arguments online in both transcript and audio forms.https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio/2025Here's the audio from the Birthright Citizenship case:https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2025/25-365
>>532322047I didn't read it that way. I think she was confusing "allegiance" with "subject to the jurisdiction".The root of "allegiance" is "ally". So, if I as an America. steal a candbar in Tokyo, I'm not an ally of the Japanese, I'm still subject to their laws. This is where Affirmative Action gets you. Embarrassing gaffs that make you blush sympathetically for the dumb nigger-sow.
*THIS SHIT IS A TRAP**THIS SHIT IS A TRAP**THIS SHIT IS A TRAP**THIS SHIT IS A TRAP*if you "re-interpret" the constitution on birthright citizenship, GUESS WHATS NEXT?>"hurrr durrrrrrrr when the founding fathers wrote the 2nd amendment, they never considered muh fully semi-automatic assault rifle with HIGH CAPACITY magazines, they meant muskets and flintlocks ok!!! so its time to revisit this amendment!"i hope people see this for the obvious trap it isits a precedent you DONT want to set
>>532328707That was a response to Trump's council. To try to make sense of his word salad. SC Justice Alito had to step in with an asspull about the children of Iranians and Mexicans born in the US "owing" military service to Iran or Mexico, which is not true.
>>532328851Okay retard. >They are subject to federal law>But they are totally sovereign
>>532328949Yes, being recognized as sovereign nations. That means they are sovereign. You fucking imbecile.
>>532328676>>532328779>>532328826sounds like a "gotcha!" line if you ask me. Getting arrested/prosecuted is not something a criminal can waive or consent to. The process is the process.Why would being subject to a country's laws (regardless of immigration status) be equated to having rights under the same country's laws?
>>532329047>sovcit logic>calls someone else an imbecile
>>532322199She is "Bix nooding". I'll have to find the meme I'm looking for. Picrel not related.
>>532329047>They are sovereign >But they are under federal jurisdiction >But they are totally sovereign broOkay retard
>>532325839In the sense that most country have it you fucking faggot but even the libtards here don't think is a big deal.
>>532321549Yeah... that's why they're being punished for breaking the law.When this groid steals a wallet in Japan she doesn't become a Japanese citizen with voting rights.
>>532329056Because we're talking about the 14th amendment. Which says that you get birthright citizenship if you're under the jurisdiction of the United States. And the Trump administration was the one making the retarded argument that you're making fun of the pavement ape for.
>>532329250>Don't give a flying fuck about it>But we have it>But we don't care about itYou are one of those new Germans aren't you
>>532322047The final SC ruling will affirm Wong Kim Ark in it's present form, how it has been continuously applied for the last one hundred years. What Trump's council wanted was a New Law for a New World. Only Alito was having it. and Alito was wrong on many things. Very biased.
I think she’s saying that non-citizens can enjoy protection under the law so it’s not absurd to extend certain rights even to illegal immigrants including what we see in so-called sanctuary cities.
>>532329222>>532329117Yeah, they're recognized as sovereign nations by the US government themselves. Sorry that you're stupider than the nigger woman. Otherwise the Snyder Act wouldn't have been necessary.
>>532321838so i get to vote in japanese elections when i visit?
>>532321009>commit a crime or are victim of a crime in a foreign nation>you "owe allegiance" in the sense that you are subject to the laws of that country>This is apparently such a hard concept to understandJesus as someone who actually sat through this while driving you people are fucking retarded. Every single argument against birthright citizenship was dismantled, even when trying to bring up ambassadors and native americans. The entire thing was them literally attempting to argue semantics. I can't believe we're wasting time on this bullshit
>>532329250Here it would be a poll tax. What MIGAkikes hooting and hollering like stupid niggers won't tell you is that you already have to present proof of citizenship to vote, through voter registration. And that voter registration can have ID used to verify it, but it can't be required unless it's free through whatever means. No new laws are needed.
>>532329433This depends on their laws. There is a White politician in Japan, but he is a resident, not a tourist. Now Japan does not have birthright citizenship.
>>532328821Were there rules posted saying not to unload your own groceries. Quite a few places actually piled objects on the belt to discourage removing them to use the belt. Looking back, it all seems kids knee jerk and stupid. Back when Covid began its spread, people died from it; we didn’t know what we were dealing with. Both my kids caught it before anyone knew what to call it beyond some unidentified virus. Scary watching them both choking on mucus and all that could be done was to wait it out because no one knew what they were dealing with. It was only recently identified as Covid 19 when my wife caught it. She’s a nurse at long term care residence. Some of her co-workers died ( some younger than herself) literally all her patients caught it, several died. Her place was finally evacuated by the national guard of all things. She nearly had it pretty bad, especially after dark. Choking, high fever. One symptom would clear up, a new one would kick in. Pretty scary stuff. Lost a cousin to it as well. Some people took this shit seriously, others not so much.
>>532321549She’s trying to conflate jurisdiction with allegiance. I don’t agree with her.
>>532329386>Domestic dependent nations>Whose land is held in trust by the US government >Whose every member is subject to the laws under the jurisdiction of the federal government >This is full and total sovereignty>These sovereign nations recognized by the US federal government under the title domestic DEPENDENT nations>These are fully sovereign
>>532329386>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1JatPPzgmEthis is what you sound like
>>532329530>that you already have to present proof of citizenship to vote, through voter registration. Not in California you don't
>>532329486You got BTFO by Justice Gorsuch when he directly quotes Elk v. Wilkins as setting the precedent for the requirements to be protected under the Citizenship Clause in the 14th AmendmentGorsuch directly quotes Elk v. Wilkins at 1:31:21https://youtu.be/RYecNCgwSfE?t=5481
>>532321549The extra context makes it even more retarded
>>532321009Did they release the decision?
>>532329530I’ve literally met illegals who vote but this is in SoCal so it’s a lost cause anyway
>>532328921You also saw their laws as protection against others that would harm or commit crime against your person. In that sense there was an allegiance between you and law enforcement that would protect you as their own citizenry.
>>532329661No one said they were fully sovereign. I said it's a complicated blend of it, recognized by the US government as sovereign nations. Go ahead and find in my posts where I said they were "fully sovereign." They are just not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, hence "sovereign."You lost bud, sorry that you're some 90 IQ stupider than some pavement ape and seething about it.
>>532322047Based lawyer anon
>>532329250>BUH MOST COUNTRIESno one cares we aren't most countries. The same ghouls like heritage foundation pushing this dumbass agenda for voter ID in an attempt to undermine faith in the system couldnt even find more than 100+ illegal votes over that last 40 years. It's literal just another weaponized waste of time meant to make anyone against it look bad, like those vague "anti porn" things that get shot down every single time because everyone knows it's a waste of time
>>532328925The constitution and its Amendments are already established regardless of the naysayers who wish to reinterpret it differently.Pretty sure that’s not what you meant to say.
>>532329327Yes every fucking country in the world has it because it is a non issue because we don't treat pieces of paper from 200 years ago as the most perfect constitution ever because of fucking freedom of speech hahahahaha.
>>532329843Not really, he's just some fucking retard who's been, like a retard, repeating Elk v Wilkins for days like it's some magic nigger spell saying that the Supreme Court is going to rule for the Trump Admin's stupid arguments. Not sure what this autism is but he's certainly not a lawyer.Thankfully retards like him will move onto some other autistic obsession when the Supreme Court ruling comes and there's a lot of seething about it even though any cursory reading of the terrible arguments in the Trump Admin's briefs would've informed you that they're losing this trial.Turns out, you can't make up new law via EO. Crazy. Maybe they should've done an amendment instead of starting a kike war.
>>532321838for the children of free white men explicitly
>>532328930If you remember, there was a bit of a hubbub about Trump’s granddad failing to show for obligatory military service while he was overseas.Overseas obligatory service is a thing that may apply to the parents of the child but does not apply to a child born on us soil
>>532329655It's from the government's argument.
>>532323680>That's just the reality of the 14th amendment.good thing laws are just words on paper and can be ignored at any time. if americans decide all the spics have to leave, thats that.
>>532322047 "within the reach of the power of the court" What does this mean? This means they don't have legal immunity. Native Americans were not under the power of the courts, neither are foreign diplomats. The child of a diplomat can break our laws, yet still evade justice, to not be within the reach of the power of the court.
>>532329836>I never said they were sovereign!!!O'rl?!>>532329386>they're recognized as sovereign nations by the US government themselves.Oh wow, that's a stand alone statement, with a period at the end of it too, huh? And it states they are sovereign without any rejoined or but. Hmmmmm. Looks like you in fact just did. But where else?>>532329047Oh look! There it is again! >>532328851>Indian Reservations are sovereign land, governed by the tribeAnd again WITHOUT QUALIFIERS!!!>>532327589And then of course this Infamously painfully retarded self contradictory statementSo yeah. Repeatedly >>532323209And here is the begging where you first said it, and all of them stand alone statements without qualifiers, and or buts and punctuation at the endCongratulations You are the dumbest niggerOh you are to much little lolcow.
>>532323908grim
>>532330326>native americans were not under the power of the courtsyes they were and still are
>>532321549its not hard to understand. do you really think your ancestors wanted you to be invaded by savage shitskins? of course not. the funding fathers were pretty clear that only white people could become american. same reason only white people are allowed to enter my home
>>532330425>Oh wow, that's a stand alone statement, with a period at the end of it too, huh?Yes, because they are recognized as sovereign nations by the US government. By fucking treaty.Yes, you are stupider than a curly haired pavement ape.Yes, you were born with a shitskinned subhuman IQ.Thank you. I accept your concession.Seethe for me some more, sub-nigger IQ.
>>532330203Trump’s granddad was born in Germany, left to avoid military service. Tried to go back, but was denied. Accused of draft evasion. Trump's father got birthright citizenship. Trump's mother was an immigrant. How far back should we go looking for citizenship?
>>532330544>I never said they were sovereign!>Multiple examples>Well yeah that's cause they are sovereign Damn you really are a lolcow
>>532329056Because the child is an individual entity from their parent. All children born on US soil are subject to exactly the same laws regardless of who their parents are. They have no past allegiance or subject to previous laws. They are all basically a clean slate.
>>532330463No, they weren't. In many cases it is required they be handed over to tribal courts. For example, foster kids and adoption cases. Their tribe must have a say.
>>532330602I never said they were "fully sovereign."There's that sub-nigger IQ again. Illiterate and seething. A good combo.How does it feel to have an IQ lower than a curly haired pavement ape, shitskin IQ? I've never known the feeling.
>>532325221every single person in my lineage going back to france thousands of years ago can was able to prove their citizenship because they were all born in villages surrounded by people just like them. if you dont look like the people who built the country, you shouldnt be allowed to live here. north america was 100% white for hundreds of years. thats the natural state.
>>532330696You in fact said it multiple timesRemember? >>532330425Way back in the day where you were btfo?Go on an Moo some more lil lulcow
>>532321961YOUR THE ACTUAL HERE IN THIS THREAD OF DUMBFUCKING RACIST NARCISSISTIC FAGGOT BIGOTS CANT BELIEVE THE SHEER MAGNITUDE OF DELUSION THESE FUCKING RETARDS PROTRUDE HOLY FUCK
>>532330693Oh really? So the native americans were allowed to manufacture machine guns and weapons of war within the territory of their reservations? They could build giant meth labs and supply meth to the cartels? And they would never be subject to a US federal court? Are you retarded? RESERVATIONS ARE NOT SOVEREIGN LAND GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!
>>532329268She never said that though. She suggested that because you have a relationship with law enforcement both as protectors or prosecutors and recognize Japanese law as being the law of the land, that a legal allegiance exists. Nothing to do with citizenship unless you are actually seeking legal residency which would compel adherence to Japanese law.
With the Native tribes, these are government to government relationships. Several cases have gone to the SC, with the Native tribes winning.
>>532329342Wong was the son of legal immigrants at the time, though.
>>532330879That guy is cracking me up he is so aggressively fucking retarded and simultaneously considers himself a giga turbo genius casting pearls before swine. It's A-mazin
>>532330696Bro, you're stupid, you could just walk away and stop embarrassing yourself. You could literally do anything other than be wrong on an amateur cough syrup manufacturing forum. This is not it family.
>>532330851I, in fact, did not. There are levels of sovereignty in law. It does not change the fact that the US government recognize the Tribes as sovereign nations, by treaty.Again, you are stupider than a fucking nappy headed pavement ape. Go to a range and pop one off into your skull. It'll put you out of your misery. It won't benefit the gene pool, because you were never going to breed, but it will make it easier on the people who've had to put up with your retardation up until this point.
>>532331131I love a good lulcow don't you?It's all the better when they are complete cunts
>>532330879You don't know? Shhh! Can't talk about that! Iran is a sovereign nation. Does the US allow them to build nukes? No. Can Canada or Mexico build nukes? Only if the feds don't find out.
>>532331147And he keeps, doubling down! My fucking sides!!!>I didn't do that>Well you did it half a dozen times actually >THATS BECAUSE THEY AREmfw
>>532329433Does your average tourist collect EBT while they are here? Voting is a privilege of citizenship. Being under equal protection of the law while visiting does not equate to privilege of citizenship. However, should you drop anchor in a country with birthright citizenship, your child may be eligible to vote when he is of age.
