A lot of people have been throwing around the word "allegiance" lately, but it's not very clear what all of these people mean by it, or if they mean the same thing as one another.So ITT we'll try to precisely define allegiance for the purpose of resolving political disputes.To start, I'll submit that your allegiance to a state means that you're required to obey that state's laws.(BTW let's keep the logical fallacies to a minimum ITT. I don't want it to to devolve into childish name-calling.)
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america.Not to the SECRET HOMO DEEPSTATE WHOSE GOAL IS TO PUSH THE WORLDWIDE INTERNATIONAL GAY CONSPIRACY
>>532327074i pledge allegiance to no state because no state has pledged its allegiance to me. i live only to serve myself and to gather as much as i can onto myself to provide for my loved ones. i wish the worst of suffering for everyone
Owing legal duty to. Root word lege, meaning law. Trump's lawyer is absolutely correct on the merits but jesuit judges want to destroy protestant America with catholic immigration so they'll rule against him. Trump should have put a bible believing baptist on the court instead of a jesuit woman
>>532327181>>532327499This brings up another question:Does establishing allegiance necessarily involve a pledge? And can a pledge of allegiance be rescinded or retracted?
>>532327512What legal duty specifically?
>>532327074Local subjection to municipal and state law doesnt not confer global subjection to federal law.The ability to be arrested by law enforcement does not satisfy subjection to federal law.Ketanji Brown Jackson was correct in her observation of local adherence to law. However totally ignorant as to the difference between local and global leve law for a state.
>>532328365What is global law?
>>532327074the cuckolic foid with adopted nigger children is siding with her feelings instead of the law and is going to vote to keep birthright citizenship?wow.... whoever could have predicted this? (literally everyone not in the migger nigger cult said it was a bad pick back when trump first made it)>BUH BUH BUH BUH BUT SHES LE HECKIN BASADO???? SHE WANTS TO MAKE IT SO NIGGERS CANT BE ABORTED SO LE EPIC WIN!! MAGA!!!!
>>532327074> I'll submit that your allegiance to a state means that you're required to obey that state's laws.What if the state passes a law that any cop can stop you then buttfuck you back to the stone age?
>>532327181tsmt
>>532328822I might leave for somewhere no such cops exist.
>>532328630Federal level, applies to the whole nation, the constitution.
Wong Kim Arks parents were "Permanent Residents" who were "Domiciled" in San Francisco and held "Allegiance" to the United States of America when they gave birth to Wong Kim Ark. They were not Temporary Visa Holders/Sojourners/Workers, nor were they Illegal Migrants.To be protected under the 14th Amendment you need more than to be "subject to the laws of the united states" as was determined in Elk v. Wilkins (1884) where it was ruled that one must be "completely subject to the united states political jurisdiction" and "owing them (the united states) direct and immediate allegiance."This was later reaffirmed in 1898 with United Sates v. Wong Kim Ark in which the word "Domicile" was used 28 times, and the word "Allegiance" was used 114 times.
Senator Williams further expanded upon this as the 14th was being written where he specifically mentions that being subject to the laws of the United States by merely being within its borders was NOT ENOUGH to qualify for Birthright Citizenship.Illegal Aliens by their very existence are NOT eligible for "Permanent Domicile" within the United States as their very person is subject to removal and deportation at any time and they are not legally allowed residency within any state in the republic.Temporary Visa holders as its very name suggests are Temporary Sojourners/Workers who still owe "allegiance" to whatever nation state they were originally born in.
>>532330085Did anyone during this case define allegiance?
>>532330533In 1868, just like with jurisdiction, there were varying degrees of the legal definition of "allegiance" There was Local/Temporary Allegiance and Natural/Full Allegiance. Local Allegiance was for aliens and basically represented their "duty" to follow the laws of whatever country they were temporarily in. Natural Allegiance was for native born citizens and it is an INHERITED duty to their country of birth.This is why the framers of the 14th, why the justices in Wong Kim Ark (1898), why the justices in Elk v. Wilkins (1884) and dozens and dozens of other examples go to the great lenghts of using the word>COMPLETELY subject to the jurisdiction>owing them DIRECT and IMMEDIATE ALLEGIANCEThis is why they use that language because they are separating from local/temporary allegiance of an alien who is simply subject to US laws and those of actual US citizens who owe FULL allegiance to the sovereign which is the United States of America.
>>532331210Is there any difference between local allegiance and natural allegiance besides inheritance?
>>532331485The difference is as an Alien you still owe "Natural Allegiance" to whatever nation state you were born into. In the case of Wong Kim Ark the justices determined that Wong Kim Ark still owed "Natural Allegiance" to China because at the time China still had an emperor and the Emperor had a standing policy of refusing Chinese subjects (citizens) the ability to renounce their citizenship, so even though Wong Kim Arks parents and Wong Kim Ark himself wished to renounce their Chinese Citizenship the Emperor of China would not allow it.So basically what the justices ruled in Wong Kim Ark was:>We don't care that China says this, we believe that because Wong Kim Arks parents were "Permanent Residents" who were "Domiciled" and "having never renounced their Allegiance to the United States" we consider that to be good enough to be protected under the 14th Amendment.The key word here is "Domiciled"Now what was the definition of "Domiciled" in 1889?>Domicile: Lawful presence with the intention to stay permanently. Are you begining to see the logic and legal history here?
>>532331997I don't think you quite understood my question.I get that you're saying that local alliance and natural allegiance apply to different people, but is there anything different about what allegiance means in each case BESIDES who the terms apply to?
>>532332386Sure, the main difference is one is temporary and the other is permanent (unless you renounce your citizenship but even then in some cases such as Wong Kim Ark the sovereign wont let you renounce your duty as a citizen/subject born under that sovereign).There are of course other obvious examples like a temporary sojourner who owes temporary allegiance or even an illegal alien who owes allegiance to whatever nation state he originated from cannot be conscripted into the military.
