>>532330465No it's actually saving the dollar and starting a new era of prosperity.Trump saved all of us in the West.
>>532330465Yes. Vietnam at least had SOME support at the start. Even Iraq had more public support at this point.Trump is legit a fucking retard to start this shit now.
Yes, because Vietnam didn't control any major shipping routes.
da fuck you talking bout? that nigga is gangsta yo.
>>532330552yeah, the whole premise of the US world order is that we protect international commerce, win win. Failing to open the straight is a direct attack on the foundation of the US empire.
Far worseThis is the end of the American empire, it will looked back at like Britain's suez moment
>>532330465X109
>>532330465Not yet. This isn't even officially a war or an armed conflict yet because Congress didn't approve it. It's still possible to resolve this. There are no ground troops deployed to Iran yet.
>>532330507>Trump as i recall, israel started it and we jumped in because we knew they would sperg out and attack everyone...and they did not disappoint.
>>532331017Well Trump has been against Israel from the very start.
>>532330784Even worse, the whole premise of a large chunk of the dollars value is being able to guarantee safe passage of oil
>>532330465Yes because atleast the US was successful in their objective for the most part.Here they’re fumbling hard. We’re nearing a month of striking Iran and they are not backing down and still have a massive missile arsenal.This excludes the massive international opposition to the war too.
>>532330465Was this photo staged? I can't imagine that piece of shit exuding anything from his tear ducts other than crocodile tears
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>>532331283drunk and about to vommit i think
>>532330998Cope. Every former subordinate ally is disobeying the US for the first time in 80 years. The result will be the widespread campaigning and eventual removal of US bases around the world with the loss of USD influence resulting in eventual Brazil tier status for the US
>>532330534Bush did 9/11 do gain moral support for war
>>532330465>Is Trump's Blunder Worse Than Vietnam?so like, let's exaggerate and say>1000 people have been killed in this new iran war since it startednow THIS ISN'T TRUE, and the number is much lower>number of just americans killed in vietnam >58,220 So>Is Trump's Blunder>Worse >Than Vietnam?how come you faggots are such massive pussies? like the only thing you have in your life is to come to /pol/ and act like a fucking pussy nigger-jew bitch and ask fuck-faced retard kike questions like thisthe left has no leadership, they have no real policies except their obvious attempts at sleight of hand to trick people into helping the homeless or building highspeed trains just so they can steal all the money and nothing changesevery last one of you SUCH faggots it's INCREDIBLE
Nothing like Vietnam.Democrats made us go to War blindfolded and handcuffed.Trump is steamrolling over the top of those traitors. I was born in the wrong decade.God Bless Donald Trump!
>>532331582Cope. US lost 58k in nam but got MORE powerful after that. You’re a short sighted retard. See >>532331425
>>532330465Powerful image, seeing LBJ crying feels really wrong, it's like seeing your dad cry.
>>532330465probably the dumbest thing we have done in 100 years and we have done some really dumbass stuff.
>>532330507Youre the black gorilla nigger jeet on the planet. Kill yourself you waste of space
>>532331679>just completely changes the entire argument>"listen sure 58,220 people died but then the US got MORE POWERFUL">this, whether or not it's EVEN TRUE, it WASN'T because 58,220 soldiers diedhow come you're such a faggot?you gonna cry pussy?
>>532331679>wah i've got a girly nigger jew arms>the gay>and the GOUT>US army will never take my rickedy kike ass ;-;>I KNOW>I'LL JUST GO ON /pol/ and ACT LIKE A FAGGOT >SAY DUMB SHIT ABOUT THE US MILITARY >..yeah>YEAH>that'll show 'em>...* sniff*
>>532330465I've posted this before, but it's far, far worse than Vietnam in every dimension except casualties.Vietnam was not geopolitically important. It was retarded cold warriors thinking they had to fight commies and turning it into an major ideological battlefield. In reality, US could've left like France and...what would've happened? Nothing. Literally nothing. A totally stupid war. But it looks like genius compared to Iran.Iran is an actual military defeat. Not in body count, yet, but that's actually a sign of how bad it is: The US can't even get forces into Iran to be slaughtered. All their forward operating bases have been destroyed. Let me repeat that for the retarded: ALL THEIR BASE ARE BELONG TO IRAN. Even F-22s have been recalled because it doesn't matter if they're stealth in the air, they're sitting ducks on the ground. The carriers don't dare get within 1000km of Iran. So US military doctrine and performance has been throughly neutered. Stupid arrogant nigger brained mutts will say we're not losing people, but that's the same as incels saying no women reject them. They can't actually get in the fight.And the ones that do are getting shot down. F-35, F-15, F-16, F/A-18, A-10, all getting damaged or destroyed. How well do you think Marines in slow V-22s are going to do?They're bombing bridges, universities and hospitals because they can't penetrate military targets and their Intel is all from Mossad. That's not winning, that's just doing Israel's dirty work.The missiles are still flying. Interceptor stocks are so depleted, they're using F-15s to chase Shahid drones. They're stealing weapons from Asia and Europe. There's literally nothing they can hit in Iran that wouldn't hurt 10x more in retaliation. And Israel won't let them leave. Political failure. Military failure. If you want a historical analog, look at Napoleon's invasion of Spain. Quagmire. And he thought he'd won in Moscow too and kept waiting until disaster became guaranteed.
>>532332706>US>busy wuth Iran>ca't help our ggreatest ally>Israel>getting bombed to shit>by Iranlet it cook, nigger
>>532330465Retarded OP makes retarded post
>>532330465Yes. Next question?
>>532330465In a vacuum, no, because we are very early into the conflict. But knowing Trump’s narcissistic personality plus Israeli pressure, it very well could be. If Russia and the PRC step up SAM deliveries, the U.S. will be blown out of the skies as they approach Iranian airspace. One big difference is that LBJ was never 100% in on the war. Privately, he was very torn. Trump, though, is so narcissistic that he has zero doubts that he will win. The dangerous part is Trump resorting to nukes as a way to avoid narcissistic collapse.
>>532331283It was an audio recording from his USMC officer son-in-law, telling him how fucked it was in South Vietnam. The war took a psychological toll on LBJ. Imagine him going upstairs and trying to fall asleep to the sound of protesters chanting “hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?” That’s why he quit in 68 and committed slow-motion suicide, dying four years later.
>>532332706It's an American Suez Crisis and we all know how Britain declined for decades after that into its present state.
>>532330465We didn’t lose Vietnam.We control all the sugar, the ports, and they owe us $50 billion in reconstruction debt. We won. Dumbasses.
>>532330507>saving the dollarLol. Lmao. The world is literally dumping the petrodollar as we speak and paying for oil in yuan.
>>532330465Have 48,000 soldiers died? Has it been 15 years?
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Depends if Trump commits to a ground invasion. The war so far is terrible but a ground invasion and high casualties will be horrendous
>>532333493>Retard thinks casualties are all that matters>Retard doesn't understand concept of political falloutYes, the decision to go to war with Iran is worse than the decision to go toward in Vietnam because this war with Iran, regardless of the military outcome, will result in the end of the US global hegemony.
>>532330507Yes goy
>>532331582>>532330507You poor naive retards.Boots haven’t even hit the ground yet, and if they do (which they would have to if they want regime change), it will be a bloodbath. This is Afghanistan on crack. They have been prepping for this war forever, and the US ran into it with none of the advantages it had in other, arguably less imposing conflicts, which mind you have not all been wins. The entire country is mountains, desert, militias, drone systems, and naval forces meant to wear down the US before it even crosses the Gulf and every moment after.Imagine the Taliban if they weren’t ragtag farmers with AKs, but instead an actual country with real funding that has been preparing specifically to fight the US for decades, with the US having only a fraction of the advantages it did then.You’re not even able to pull out anymore either, because unlike the Taliban, Iran has actual bargaining power by controlling one of the key points for oil trade that the US petrodollar relies on. This is happening at a critical time for an already battered US economy, and all at the benefit of your biggest economic rival in the east.To answer OP’s questions: the answer is yes in a best case scenario and ten times yes in a worst. Vietnam was genuinely nothing compared to a potential overseas invasion of a mountainous fortress that has had decades of prep time and real economic weight. This wouldn't be a american collapse but it would be a economic, societal and human cost beyond what Vietnam ever produced.I dislike the US, but I genuinely pray with all my heart boots don’t hit the ground because I would wish this on absolutely nobody. Even if Iran fell, which could be seen as a positive, there is no possible way it would ever be worth the actual meat grinder this war would be. I genuinely implore you as supposed American patriots to consider what the point and cost of this is.
>>532330849Nonsense. America can win this. It can walk away but if it does it creaks, cracking into collapse, besides it is just stoking it.Collapse causes what globally? Think, it affects literally everything. Besides America doesn't simply collapse into a Suez. Britain had plenty of those. It really collapsed after WW2. Not before. Of course WW1 was the fall. It was all Empires then. What shaped after were nations. America sooner dominated.Britain has been a case of deindustrialisation. Causing it to be a shadow. Services faster funneling it out instead of industrialization keeping it in.
>>532333372Britain is still a superpower
>>532330465Probably not but we'll need a minimum 10 years to know
>>532330465Vietnam hardly had any oil, so yes.
>>532330465inexplicably attacking Iran was the biggest political mistake ever made in the history of the office of the US presidentworse than vietnam, iraq or any other war, by orders of magnitude, tantamount to actual literal treason on behalf of jews.Iran is an abstraction more meaningless to the average Americans life than co-secant or recipricol math. Absolutely no one could articulate how a war with Iran would provide even them most obscure, tangental benefit to an Americans life.. NO ONE. Iran is so unimaginably meaningless and so far from any relevance to an Americans life you could not poll a million of them at random and get a single coherent response out of them to the question of how the "Ayatollah of Iran" does or does not matter to their daily life.. in a world where Americans are most worried about the cost of living, and the general socio-politcal psychosis that is now their daily life, some inexplicable war prosecuted against Iran with this psychotic religious frenzie as if it is Iran with 2 nuclear carriers, 400 jets and unknown amount of submarines outside our international waters absolutely pounding our infrastructure is simply too far into the ludicrous. its simply 'too far'. its insane. and Trump will forever be remembered as the biggest scourge in American political history who catalyzed the end of America as international world power. The absolute fucking madness that is this hair-on-fire frenzie that the US had to go to war with Iran NOW NOW NOW NOW is so inexplicable, so unnecessary and so fucking ass-retarded its almost impossible to articulate
>>532330465vietnam was an 8 year war with a draft that people hated. doesn't seem as bad as vietnam yet
>>532334139We buy our nukes from America. Trident was invented by Americans. Colonies oh yeah we have influence not real industry. Influence you mean bureaucracy. Can't cannot shouldn't should've and won't. A superpower suggests being ontop of something? Cannot think of what apart from narratives. Did you wear a blouse, it's a crime if you didn't. So empowering.
>>532330465What a thought OP. Absolutely no. He ain't no Bush. Those are the parallel of wars you should be be asked to be explored with Vietnam. I am genuinely looking forward to see if a month from now Trump has found a way to get out of this nonsense. We have never really had a president like Trump so you can't really rely on a historical equivalent situation. I wish him the best. The last thing we need is another decade or two of fighting sand people and hemorrhaging money.
>>532331773you chimped out over nothing, you sound like the nigger dude
>>532330465No. America has a clear path to victory here.Trump can simply detonate Iran's oil and gas sector and this ends overnight. Iran's only recourse is to bomb the oil and gas sector of the middle east which is actually really great for the US in the long term.Think long term.
>>532330465It depends on how long the Straits stay closed. I think Shock and Awe tier bombing is up next. If that doesn't work, then Trump is in big trouble.
>>532330465if strait remains closed after retreat, yes.
>>532335060Trump is going to retreat but also block the Strait of Hormuz for Iranian oil tankers.He will claim his victory this way. Saying Iran isn't blocking the Strait, he is.The ensuing oil price rise will force everyone to make a deal.Clock it
>>532330465>Trump's Blunderwhich one?
fucking fire hegseth jesus
>>532330465Not only is Trump's blunder worse than Vietnam, it is the worst blunder in the history of blunders, perhaps ever.
>>532331283No. LBJ wasn't a great person, but he was human, unlike Trump.
>>532331582Iran doesn't even have to inflict anymore casualties to make this a worse blunder so long as the Strait remains closed and Trump fails his objectives.
>>532331582>Eyy I'm a numbahs guymongoloid yank spastic
>>532330465I'm sure there have been bigger blunders but I can't think of any.
>>532330465It's about to be, lol
>>532330507good one, colonel shekelsbergstein
>>532330465No but as soon as soldiers land in Iran and I'm not talking about cog Island then it becomes seriously worse.
>>532330998Who the fuck cares, the economical repercussions are already there and worldwide and will linger for years even if everything was to stop now.Nobody cares about your faggot soldiers.
>>532334989>Shock and Awe tier bombing is up nextThey bombed Iran more on the first day than in Shock and Awe.
>>532330534I think Vietnam didn't have that much economical impact, but I could be mistaken.
>>532339391It had localized economical impact.But for Iran it's global economical impact since the US is attacking the region where a lot of the oil comes from. And oil does not just make cars go, it's necessary in a plethora of industries so everything is going up in price as a domino effect.
>>532330507>era of prosperity>petrodollarThe only thing the petrodollar ever did was this:>gave us an excuse to just print out more money when we needed it instead of fixing the federal debt so inflation wouldn't shoot through the roof>torturing other countries by using sanctions instead of our militaryAnd it was mainly used for the second point. Inflation was going to increase over time no matter what, the petrodollar simply delays the inevitable just enough for the US to spin the blame for rising costs onto something else. We have no actual military might as Iran demonstrates. Only economic might. Which is why so many people are saying this is the end of the American Empire. A multipolar world will kill the US and we intend to bring whoever else we can down with us as we die screaming.
>>532330465No, because israel is getting fucked up, it makes me happy
>>532331825>heh, gonna cry?!>gets no response Lmfao what a fucking queer
>>532333737This time for sure xister!
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>>532334352Its not, yet. Pol has turned into a hysterical shithole full of exaggerating midwits and lying shitskins.
>>532330465>Is Trump's Blunder Worse Than Vietnam?Are you retarded?Vietnam lasted 10 years,we passed the draft to fight it, it got 70,000 US troops killed as well as 2 million Vietnamese.So far we've been fighting Iran for a month and US casualties are still in the single digits.No its not worse than Vietnam you pudding brained chucklefuck.
>>532331017Caroline Levitt? Is that you?
