Why did Iraq fold so quickly and easily compared to Iran when the US attacked them? Iran and Iraq fought a war in the 1980's which ended in a stalemate, which means that Iran and Iraq have roughly the same strength in military terms. But Iraq collapsed and gave up its capital in just 22 days after the 2003 invasion, while Iran is still holding out on day 36.
>>532352413Everything the baathists had was shit we gave them.
>>532352413there was a coalition and long time prepheckin boots on the groundno cheap dronesyep, same war
>>532352413a lot changed in 20 years, also iraq was alone, iran gets help from its allies even if its minimum
>>532352413Saddam was an old school dictator, without him in charge the Iraqi command structure collapsed.
>>532352413Dumb flatlanders with no mountain soul.
Iraq was a dictatorship that relied on party loyalty. Iran is a theocracy that relies on true believers.
>>532352413>which means that Iran and Iraq have roughly the same strength in military terms.No, it doesn't mean that. This is a logical fallacy. And in any case, how things were 40 years ago does not correlate well with how things were 20 years ago, and especially not with the present.BOTH Iraq AND Iran were supported by the Reagan administration to keep them roughly on par with one another in strength. The goal of the war was that neither side would win and both would lose and be weakened by it, thus both were supported. But Iraq was supported much moreso because it is a smaller weaker country and because it was ostensibly a U.S. ally (but not really, because we betrayed them). Iran was backed to a lesser degree and more clandestinely. Look up the Iran Contra Affair for more details.In 2003 Saddam's Iraq was backed by literally no one whatsoever. Russia and China had their own issues and/or weren't dominant global powers so neither was in any position to do anything and didn't. This is not the case today where both of them are supporting Iran against us. Giving them diplomatic support, military aid, intelligence, etc. Saddam in 2003 had none of that. All Saddam had was old Soviet equipment and inferior monkey models of it at that. Its no surprise he folded when you look at the actual facts.
Usa was white back then
>>532352413>Why did Iraq fold so quickly and easily compared to Iran when the US attacked them?Because you had competent leaders for Iraq and had a military build-up in the reign for months beforehand. On the other hand with Iran you had Trump just decide one day that he would like a war and then the military had to scramble to accomplish what he wanted while supplies were being flown in from half-way round the planet. there was absolutely no need to yolo into Iran immediately, instead of doing a military build-up beforehand, but the stupid fuck went and done it anyway, and all the sycophantic fucks he surrounds himself with no doubt fell over each other to suck his dick and tell him what a great idea it was. The problem with getting rid of everyone who doesn't go along with what you want 100% is that you have no-one left to tell you when you're being a retarded dumb fuck. Anyway, it is what it is. Fuck only knows how you're going to force Iran to capitulate at this point.
>>532352515>Everything the baathists had was shit we gave them.Their equipment was all Soviet, and inferior Monkey Models of it at that. We didn't give them Soviet tanks, Soviet planes, etc. The Soviets gave them that. But the Soviet Union was Kaput when the first Gulf War happened, and Russia wasn't very strong and had their own issues with the Chechens and so on in the early 2000s so they didn't interfere in the Iraq war either. Its a different situation now. Both Russia and China have emerged as powerful countries so anything we do now is receiving some actual pushback from them. But from 1990 until maybe a decade or so ago we could do pretty much anything to third world countries and no one would or even could support them. No longer.
>>532353067ThisYou actually built up a large coalition with hundreds of thousands of ground troops before going in.
>>532352413TerrainPolitical willinfrastructureBuild up
>>532353142Saddam didn’t think it would be necessary to rebuild the military, he thought they’ll never invade because they didn’t invade after the first gulf war when they had destroyed the Iraqi military and there were revolts throughout the country.
>>532352413Persia is over 2000 years old with a history of martyrdom and survival. They will bury Israel & the U.S.They also have the real Jews, not the fake Israeli ones. Iranians are also the real white people.Everything about Iran is real. Everything about Trump & his boss are fake. Israel isn't a real country.
>>532352413Why would I explain it here so you can adjust your tactic and win? The goal is that you lose. But in short. You got a orange spasric in charge and iraq was prepared for 10 years in advance.
>>532353142>Russia>powerful countryPick one.
>>532352413Maybe something changed after 20-40 years...
>>532352413>Iran and Iraq fought a war in the 1980's which ended in a stalemate, which means that Iran and Iraq have roughly the same strength in military terms.You realize nearly half a century has passed since then, right? The world is a little more dynamic than you’re giving it credit for
>>532352413>why was poorer and objectivly worse armed smaller and less developed nation attacked by the entire axis of evil ran by naive people just begging for mercy doing worse than people realizing American are evil demons and actually responding to Ameircan terrorism instead just waiting and watching themself getting massacred before the official "war" lie even beganYou know. This is a desperate American feelgood cope thread. The problem isn't why Americans is faoling with terrorism its that American errorists exist and need to be put down along with every single American "civilian" "voting" "republican" or "democrat" terrorists and funding and support terrorist organization like the "US army"
>>532352413there was an actual opposition to Saddam which stood down in return of bribes and then the US still had to incarcerate hundreds of thousands state employees like the entire Iraqi police. The US still lost this war eventually and in Iran this would have to be millions of regime loyalists that have to get imprisoned.
>>532353304All memeflags are either Israelis or Jeets.
>>532352413drone warfare, which is mega gay
because iran is a civilization state with its own military industrial complex, diversified economy, developed infrastructure, highly educated society and intricate political system not dependent on a single individual. neither of which ever applied to iraq
>>532352413Iran and Iraq couldn't be more different, but I genuinely think that Trump's regime (and most Americans) genuinely don't understand this. Iran is more comparable to a country like Turkey but more white. The sanctions had a similar effect to Russia in creating a massive domestic manufacturing base.
>>532352413>Why did Iraq fold so quickly and easily compared to Iran when the US attacked them?The ruling Iraqi Sunni Baathist regime was a 20% minority among the 80% Shia Iraqi majority and was only able to stay in power thanks to US weapons and the guidance of military advisors under Rumsfeld to keep dissension in check. Meaning a lot of Iraqis were providing support for US coalition forces.Iran's caliphate and IRGC is disliked by a sizable but still 40% minority of their population. Quite a few of them were also killed during last month's protests. However, the more fundamental difference is that despite their ideological differences, both sides have a common sense of nationalism. Those clips being pushed by msm of all the Iranians cheering when the strikes took out Khamenei is just propaganda. Most if not all Iranians despise foreign intervention into their country's business and politics because of past history to some degree and the majority of their people would take up arms against a foreign invader.
>>532354255What the US shoulda done is take out their air defences while the protests were happening and air drop millions of small firearms and grenades to civilian population. Not large crates, but in scattered units like 2 glocks or an AR15 with 3 mags each, packed in an urban camo satchel with some bubblewrap and a small parachute. And just rain this gear down on schools, neighborhoods and active protest zones. You can bet the the majority of Iranians who come across one of these gift bags are gonna be thinking about how to keep it. It's a natural consequence of authoritarian regimes. When people are kept powerless through threats and violence, that first taste of power when picking up that gun will leave them wanting more. Sure there will be loyalist civilians getting strapped well, but you've effectively created a situation where everyone one every side could be armed. The IRGC can have a field day trying to confiscate the gear until someone gets to it first and decides they wanna turn it in one bullet at a time. And as they push harder, more will start shooting back.
Baathists had a shitty command structure that was not resilient in the slightest. Everything very centralised around Sadam and his sons, nobody could make a decision without their say-so. Iran has a decentralised command structure, plus they saw what happened to Iraq and learned from it.
>>532353028Underrated point
>>532352413>Iran and Iraq fought a war in the 1980's which ended in a stalemate, which means that Iran and Iraq have roughly the same strength in military terms.No, the US helped Iraq against Iran at the time.Saddam was the US "best friend" for a time.
>>532352413It took about 5 years to get ready to attack Iraq.
>>532352413Geography. Prep time. Technology gap has shrunk. Tactics. The skuds he used were obsolete soviet era junk. He used mostly shitty soviet surplus. He used conventional and not non asymmetrical warfare (retard alert).
>>532352413Iraq has flat arid landsIraq has traitorous kurds up northIraq has direct border with the saudi, jordanian, kuwaiti and syrian niggers where invasion came(iran only has border with kuwait)Iran had 1/3rd the population of Iran at that timeIraq is 1/5th times the size of iranIraq had to bear 13 years of nuclear sanctions and most people were deathly tiredIraq faced a coalition of 38 countries aloneThere is no comparison
>>532352413the real power in Iran is the IRGC
>>532355542And btw the sanctions were far worse than iranIran gets waivers to do trade with iraq and some others, gets trade from china. Iraq had zero such partners
>>532352413Iran was always stronger, Iraq was Iraq+USA, same as its Ukraine+USA. Its not a coincidence these wars stagnate for years, the USA provides enough aid to keep a balance, never more.
>>532355752That's right, Mr. Noseberg. Our judiac industrial military complex needs a constant production for a forever war.
>>532352413>2003twenty-three fucking years ago
>>532352413The USA was stronger in 2004 than today and Iraq was already fragile from the 90’s war as well as the civil strife between those two wars.
>>532352413Compared to the Iraq, Iran has these advantages in this war:>Regime has grassroots support/popular legitimacy >Advances in drones and ballistics give them the capability to hit back meaningfully, they aren't only getting pummelled>Geography - size, mountains, coastline controls the gulf>All Iran's important military assets are underground >Ancient people with strong national identity>Top level intelligence support from China and Russia>Massive economic leverage with the strait >History of US/Israeli actions over the GWOT make it clear what'll happen if Iran submit>Next to no US buildup or planning thanks to incompetent leadership>US and Israel are politically isolated>Trump is seen as a pedo and Netanyahu a butcherIt's a very different situation
