Anyone who has studied the Bible seriously quite quickly concludes that Catholicism is unbiblical and it becomes clear why most catholics don't know the Bible at all
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>>532352823>"Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.” But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.”"- Luke 9:49-50
>>532352855>quoting bible verses and feeling smart and important
>>532352774catholics need protestants the same way an average looking girl needs a fat chick to be next to her
>>532352774>Jesus: you must eat My flesh>Catholics: we must eat His Flesh>protties: it's just a metaphor>Jesus: This is my body>Catholics: This is His body>protties: it's just a metaphor>Jesus: those who's sins you forgive are forgiven>Catholics (in confession): your sins are forgiven>protties: OnLy JeSuS cAn FoRgIvE sInS>Jesus: He is not the God of the dead, but of the living!>Catholics: the saints are alive in heaven>protties: YoU'rE pRaYiNg To DeAd PeOpLe>James: You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone>(literally the only time "faith alone" appears in the bible)I don't think it's Catholics who need to read the bible.
it's pretty clear the closet church to the one jesus set up is the eastern orthodox church if we're looking at itscontinuity of traditions and teachings, roman catholicism is a close second but it kind of went haywire over last few centuries.
>>532353653its just that not a single person throughout the entire Bible ever prays to people that have died. the single example of someone seeking to communicate to someone who has died is definitely not encouraging us to do so.
>>532352774From where does your bible get its table of contents?
>>532352774t. kikeslave protestant
>>532353653Catholics believe Mary remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus, when Jesus had half brothers.
>God: thou shalt not bow theyself down before idols>Catholics: picrel>Protestants: ok, no problem. >>532354147>the catholic must claim that everything was decided by Rome hundreds of years after everyone was already using the books we have today.
>>532352774Most Bible-followers don't know the Bible at all.
>>532354297what's interesting is that they think its so very very important that she should have. as if somehow it corrupts a woman to have children.
>>532352774Nobody cares about your Jewish bullshit
>>532352774More like it becomes clear that catholicism is the only acceptable form of christianity.>>532354307They were decided in a council composed of christians from all over the world. Some of the books people were using were very clearly bullshit. Even to this day protestants add retarded shit to the bible like that passage the J(e)W nigger talks about and the “bless israel” thing.
>>532353653>the saints are alive in heavenSo its okay to pray to them?
>>532352774The Trinity has no place in the bible either and worshipping the son as equal to the father breaks The commandment "to worship no others before me"The wrong side of the arrian heresy gained control of the church and first thing they did was ordain eunuchs which itself is heretical because "any man without stones or wounded in the privy member may enter the congregation".Reading the bible the first revelation you have is very few people have ever read the bible themselves and most Christians are actually blasphemous heretics practicing forbidden paganry.>Tldr Catholic and orthodoxs are the spawn of the whore of Babylon
>>532354533great, a council pruned out the fake books that some had been accepting as real. thats good. but Christians had recognized Gods word long before that.
>>532352774Can you show us this Bible research of yours concluding that?
>>532354658>The commandment "to worship no others before me"we only worship God. Trinitarians number one confession is that there is only one God.
>>532354658The real redpill is that you probably shouldn’t read the bible because there is a 99% chance that you are too dumb to understand what is going on. If you aren’t reading it with deep knowledge of hermeneutics and with a dictionary to consult the original manuscripts (or at least the latin vulgata), you aren’t understanding shit. That’s how we get retards quoting the “synagogue of satan” verse.
>>532352774>sola scripturaAhh yes. He who blesses Israel is blessed. He who curses Israel is cursed.
>>532354297lolwut? Please tell us all more.
>>532352774Yes I have found plenty of teachings in Scripture that are at odds with what the Catholic Church says (and any other denomination, Protestantism being the most heretical in my view), and that was with the censored Bible (one of the newer translations). I need to get my hands on some really old translation, with the books that have been later removed.My point is, I don't mean to shit on or defend Catholicism in relation to other denominations, my view is if you want to be a believer, you need to read the fucking books yourself. Be aware of people who are always willing to tell you what Christ said but never tell you "just fucking read it"
>>532355490what do you think has been changed or removed? i suppose you could say that the deuterocanonical books have been 'removed' but thats not really the case. we just dont generally have them in the same binding as the 66 books of the Bible because we don't see them as being on the same level.
>>532355593>we don't see them as being on the same level.Why not?
>>532355643historically they just haven't been considered inspired like the others.https://www.gotquestions.org/apocrypha-deuterocanonical.html
>>532352774The TLM on Palm Sunday had over 50 pages of scripture directly quoting the Bible. The same Bible compiled by Catholics that said tradition is as important as scripture and before the Bible was compiled there was only tradition through the bishop cope and seethe.
>>532352774The whole problem with the entire world right now is that there is zero legitimate leadership, no Elizabeth, no John Paul 2, there is nothing but evil and the cowards.
>>532355965the thing is that you somehow assume that tradition and the Bible are different and that tradition contains wildly new teachings like praying to those that have died and to Mary etc etc.
>>532352774Try meditating and talking to God directly. You'll realize the Bible isn't 100% accurate.
>>532352774Correct.Jehovah's Witnesses are the one true christian faith
>>532355852>consideredSo somebody that you have never met read it and said "nah fuck that" Listen I'm not trying to give you an answer, all I'm trying to say is that you should try to find your own through reading and you should (in my view) disregard any "acceptance", "authority", "interpretation" or "canon".If you are inclined to believe then just read it all for yourself and make your own judgment. Don't listen to people that are happy to tell you what to believe but will never tell you to read the thing yourself
>>532356251so you dont really want to understand the issue.
>>532356303I do and so I have devided to just read it all myself and that is what I suggest you do too. You make your own decision tho
>>532352774And anyone who has studied the provenance of the Bible knows that the whole thing is horseshit cooked up by Hellenic and Roman jews.
>>532356374ive no issue with reading those books of course, but they clearly aren't to be considered on the same level as the Bible, for the reasons i linked you to.
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>>532352774The Catholic Church is the ONE True Church of the Almighty Most High Absolute God.
>>532354607Why wouldn't it be okay to ask great people in heaven to pray for you? Prots have no problem asking other people on earth to pray for them but apparently it's a bad thing to have saintly dead people pray for you? Prots are retards. Which is clear for a 100 ways anyway.
>>532356480The reasons being human authority? Someone back then in X century said it wasn't all that good or important?You don't know those people who made those decisions, you don't know what motivated them, the historical accounts about those people are likely sparse and possibly untrue.Don't bother yourself with someone else's judgement, make your own. Read the fucking books and make your own decision. Trust your instincts and your curiosity
>>532356541...whose name is יהוה and is obsessed with Israel/JudahYour god and worldview is jew-derived, sheep
>>532352855>Quotes Eugene IV>Image clearly says Eugene III
>>532356625why are you focusing only on the council decisions etc? there are other reasons that went into those decisions and for me its the fact that those books aren't referred to or quoted by any Biblical writer. also, your 'just use the force luke' attitude is a bit too much for me.
>>532354147The editor
>>532356555i just wonder why no one in the BIble ever did that if its just a great thing to do. thats all. im just not comfortable with engaging in such a high level of practice without it being clearly in the scriptures. prayer is a big deal.
>>532356555Im not Christian because I'm not retarded but praying to anyone except your god seems blasphemous.>but its not praying to them its asking them to pray for us!The ritualized prayers certainly sound like praying. And why would they be praying in Heaven? They're already there, that's stupid >Christians are retards. Which is clear for a 100 ways anywayFtfy
>>532352774but did you read it in Latin?
>>532356733I am not focusing on anything other than the point that you should read the fucking thing yourself and make your own judgement. I can't guarantee that this will give you the right answer, but I can guarantee that the answer will be your own. You will believe in what you decided to believe, and not someone else.I have no idea what motivated those people to make those decisions and I don't give a fuck because their decisions aren't mine and in terms of something as important as faith, I am not willing to trust anyone but myself.The Lord has said I have innate ability to tell good from evil and I believe that if I trust my instincts, I will have a greater chance of finding truth through reading texts and thinking about them, than asking someone else what I should read and what I shouldn't. I don't believe this will be an easy road or a quick one, but I believe it will be the best one.Why is the "just use the force luke" thing too much for you? Do you have that low a self esteem? Come on. You're as capable of seeking God as I am, or anybody else. People differ in strength, intelligence, status or wealth, but in God's eye we are all the same, we all have the same potential to be good and the same tendency to fail. Faith isn't an answer, it's a search. It is a life long commitment the same way fitness is and you are capable of pursuing it.
>>532356842Catholicism is a schizo religion that requires a heavy amount of cognitive dissonance and intentional ignorance to maintain. That's why pedophiles thrive in the environment. The phenomenon that causes the common refrain, "everyone in our church knew something was going on, but nobody did anything about it" is the same phenomenon responsible for christian faith, and it boils down to this: "I am a frightened sheep who wants to feel comforted, and I don't want to think too hard about the world around me or be responsible for taking any action"It's an infantile religion for frightened herd animals, not human beings
>>532357125ok, have fun starting a new cult.
>>532357217That would be a glorious cult indeed, I would have my own apostles coming to ask me what the truth is and I'd tell them "read the Bible".Truly, I am a mastermind of manipulation
>>532352774Which part?OT? NT? Apocrypha? Any specific book?>>532352855That chapter is about the apostles being granted the power of exorcism and healing that Jesus was famous for, and includes a healing where He's visibly annoyed to be the one who has to do it.It means "an enemy of my enemy is a friend" and doesn't apply here, for the complaint is that the Catholic Church is no longer on the side of Jesus.Never quote verse out of context. That's heretical.
>>532354658The Trinity makes more sense when you consider that the words God and good were once the same, and that confining the meaning of good to a singular deified entity above everyone and all has served the purpose of preventing people from embodying that goodness, thus preserving control over the community within the reach of the priesthood and the church.It's also not supposed to be the father son and holy spirit.The Father, the Mother, the Æther.Masculine aspects / virtues, feminine virtues (without knowledge of which you'd never find anyone but a witch), and the principle of energy that surrounds and connects us all to the entire universe, that which we are.That the Orthodox and Catholic traditions changed it is because the main adversary of Jesus the Nazarene and the Essenes was the, for want of accuracy, hyperfeminist cult of Inanna.They wanted to disenfranchise women from the structure of Christendom, which experience shows us is fair enough. It's also foolish and fear-driven. They could've improved women, instead of letting them flounder in their own bucket of piss.Hiding the problem and then venerating Mary (not even the Magdalene, His Wife) as a hollow virtue signal might just be the Paragon of hypocrisy.
>>532359360The doctrine of the Trinity has nothing at all to do with any of that waffle. we believe it because its the best fit model for what God has revealed about Himself in the Bible.
>>532352774Most people know very little about their own religions. It's kind of shocking.I have an amateur interest in religions and listen to audiobooks on all the major ones.I was taking to a friend who's Serbian Orthodox about the Jesus' "Woes to the Pharisees" and he didn't even know who the Pharisees were or why they were in conflict with Jesus. Like wut? That's pretty central to Christianity how can you not know that?And another time I was talking to a Taiwanese guy who's a Buddhist. One of the main divergences between Buddhism and Hinduism is that Hinduism teaches there's a part of your self/soul that's eternal, indivisible and unchanging (atman) while Buddhism denies that and teaches the self is just an aggregate of different parts and is constantly changing so the self is an illusion (doctrine of anatman).I asked him "if the self is an illusion, how does reincarnation work? What's being reincarnated? I'm trying to wrap my mind around that."First of all he didn't even know the term "anatman". Then when I explained it to him he went >Oh yeah that's confusing I don't really know myself Like wtf?I don't understand how people can profess to believe this or that religion but not even know the beginner 101 level things about them.
>>532352774Anyone who has studied the bible and not dropped it and set it on fire as a kike mind virus is NGMI
>>532357125>I am not focusing on anything other than the point that you should read the fucking thing yourself and make your own judgementThe Bible is confusing and requires broader historical knowledge to read and interpret in its proper context.That's why the Catholic and Orthodox churches say you should rely on church tradition and "official" interpretations. If you read it in a vacuum without the proper background knowledge you're liable to misinterpret it and come to wrong conclusions.Protestants encouraged everyone to read the Bible for themselves then they splintered into thousands of sects who believe contradictory things.But of course if the Catholic/Orthodox church act as gatekeepers there's the risk they become corrupt and perpetuate self-serving interpretations.
>>532352774Thomas Aquinas proved that Catholicism is fully correct and disproved 100% of protestant talking points centuries before protestantism was even thought of
>>532360893Welcome to NPC world. Most people on earth see their native religion in the same sense as a sports team.
>>532362666So what do you think of Vatican II and Nostra Aetate?
We need to bring back shaming real hard for people who believe in superstition
>>532362813Misguided politically influenced document, but also not dogmatic. Modernism is one of the countless sicknesses that the Church has had to face through the centuries, and it too will pass. Soon enough Israel and USA will start persecuting Catholics openly while muslims invaders will start butchering us in Europe, and Nostra Aetate will be scrapped.
>>532362791The funny thing is I became friends with both these guys during covid because they agreed with me it was bullshit and refused the vax. They were calling maskers and vaxxers NPCs. So I was surprised they were functioning on such an NPC level about their own religions
>>532362791Kind of blackpilling actually
If you never had a supernatural personal encounter with Jesus Christ you are not saved.If God has never spoken to you directly in words, you are not saved.If you took the covid 19 vaccine, the mark of the beast, you are not saved.God doesnt have any denomination, catholic, orthodoxy, lutheran, jehovas witness, these are denominations and they are all false.
>>532352774After reading the old testament that was published on paper around 350 AD, I read the Enuma Elish which was scribed on clay tablets 4000 year before the bible. The bible clearly plagiarized the Enuma Elish. Your god of the old testament is Enlil and as in the old testament, this dude is evil.
>>532363159I thought God was supposed to protect The Church from error? I guess the pope wasn't speaking Ex Cathedra in this case? But still, if you're critiquing and rejecting pronouncements from the Vatican are you not on your way to becoming a Protestant?
>>532353653Metaphors are not false; if the literal reading leads to an absurdity, God demanding people violate his law to be his child, the literal is not the way to take the wording.God doesn't want cannibals and vampires as children, and nobody ever ate Jesus' flesh, and nobody ever drank Jesus' blood.To want to is sickening; to think you have to, absurd.
>>532355131Catholics teach that Mary was pure, born sinless, sinless, perpetually a virgin, and was assumed alive into heaven (1965).They need their Queen of Heaven to be these things to justify asking her to intercede for them.Mary is neither the Queen of Heaven, nor is there an actual Queen of Heaven, nor has Mary actually heard any of their prayers, as she lacks God's attributes to do so.It's cope. 100% cope. Knowing they have no connection to the Father, they try to backdoor Jesus' mommy into helping them out.
>>532364053>Queen of HeavenAlso the title of the Sumerian goddess Inanna - who's identified with Astarte, a Canaanite goddess often denounced in the Old Testament.Strange that the Catholics would adopt such a title for Mary...
>>532364296Strange indeed. Yet truth is often stranger than fiction.In writing his letter to the church of Thyatira, Jesus condemns them for suffering Jezebel and practicing a false religion.Jezebel the Queen was the patron of Asherah, the name of the Queen of Heaven in the Canaanite pantheon.They follow Jezebel to the tee, only changing the name of the Queen of Heaven culturally, to "Mary".For this, Jesus threatens to throw them into great tribulation, and kill her children, the Reform churches.
>>532364053Especially since it doesn't appear anywhere in the NT as far as I know...
They're forbidden from reading the Bible at all and yet the Pope will once in a rare while drop some biblical lore occult knowledge that doesn't mean anything if you haven't read the primary source material.
>>532364296its even more interesting how over the years they've attributed more and more of Christs roles and titles to Mary as well.ex priest talks about it herehttps://bereanbeacon.org/the-parallel-of-mary-to-jesus/
I studied the bible and they're literally all jews? whats up with that
>>532352774>for 1500 years, God just let everyone do Christianity wrong and go to hell, but thankfully Martin Luther came along and fixed God's mistakeHow does anyone fall for this lol.
>>532364408It all relies upon an appeal to the authority of their first fathers, and not on the bible.Sola Magisterium, not Sola Scriptura.Sola Scriptura is better, safer, and salvific.
>>532352774Catholics are the type to drink, fuck, steal, etc but as long as they ask for forgiveness on Sunday they can do it again the next day. Just look at Latinos
>>532364515By not drinking the Kool Aid of the Popes, that all Christians were Catholics.Same way that we don't drink Mohammad's Kool Aid, that all prophets were Muslims, including Jesus.
>>532356555Well, the Protestant understanding is that, if Christ is "the Way, the Truth, and the Life", and "no one comes to the Father except by Me", then why the fuck would you ever bother praying to ANYONE but Christ/God? A dead saint can't redeem your sins. The Virgin Mary can't save you. You can't save yourself. ONLY Christ can save you. Why go to an intermediary when you can just go directly to the Source for salvation?It's not that we think praying to saints is "against the rules" or anything. Some Protties do, I guess. Most of us just think it's fucking weird and a waste of time - Christ/God is RIGHT THERE, why the fuck are you asking some dead guy for help?
>>532354297It is almost as if an ALMIGHTY, OMNIPOTENT God can do anything he wills, as if it were a MIRACLE
>>532364427Yeah, it's a losing battle to try to separate Christianity from Judaism.Jesus being the Messiah was defined through his relation to King David. Even if you claim King David was totally different from modern Jews you would still need to deal with a lot of crap you probably would consider Jewish like foreskin cutting.
>>532364683of course He can. thats not the point at all. the point is did He do that and why? you dont get to just make stuff up.
>>532364683God is incapable of lying to the authors of the gospels, or any authors of the bible, so, no. Your argument is facile.
>>532364559>By not drinking the Kool Aid of the Popes, that all Christians were Catholics.Can you show me the historical evidence of Christian communities with Protestant-esque beliefs existing prior to the 15th century? Because all non-Catholic groups that I am aware of had insane beliefs that you would probably find far more objectionable than Catholicism.
>>532352855Holy fuck you're stupid
>>532364757Christianity is not trying to keep the Abrahamic covenant, a blood covenant signified by circumcision, but the New covenant promised by God to Israel in Jeremiah 31:31 that provides a spiritual circumcision of the heart of man.Paul revealed the mystery: it was always God's intent to offer salvation first to the Jews, and then to the Gentiles, as he is the God of both the Jews and the Gentiles.
>>532364667>why the fuck are you asking some dead guy for help?It's a form of syncretism. During the time of the early church Hellenic polytheism was still the dominant culture. People were used to praying to different gods for specific things. The Church probably just decided to let them keep doing that but pray to saints instead to ease the transition of new converts.That's just my theory I'm not really sure desu
>>532364810Take a look at all the groups the Catholics called "heretics" and murdered, and you will find your list of Christians who were unable to escape Rome's bloody grasp.
>>532354883>That’s how we get retards quoting the “synagogue of satan” verse.wut
>>532352774>Anyone who has studied the Bible seriously quite quickly concludes that...it is a bunch of bullshit. There is no archeological or contemporary historical evidence for Noah, Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus, Mohammed, or any of them. Judaism and its retarded children of islam and christianity is fiction.
>>5323527742000 years later and christcucks still can’t agree on how to read their Jewish book. Wonder why, could it be because it’s contradictory since it’s written by dozens of Jews that weren’t divinely inspired?
>>532364893honestly thats kind of what it reminds me of. and the bowing down to statues of Mary and stuff. its not really Biblical is the thing
>>532364757St. Paul clarified: circumcision is of the heart, and not of the flesh.The practice of circumcision was so that the Israelites could tell, at a glance, who was one of them, and who was a foreigner. They were to be a holy people, "set aside from others and kept separate".After the forced conversion of a bunch of Canaanites/Edomites under King Herod and John Hyrcanus though, the Canaanites started practicing circumcision too, so the entire point of it (remaining racially pure by seeing who belonged) was lost. That's why Paul said "knock that shit off, it doesn't mean anything anymore".Modern kikes kept doing it for the same reason that Africans do cargo cults - because they think the act is what matters and not the spirit behind it. Christ's entire ministry was to say that the opposite is true - the act is irrelevant, what matters is the intent, the purpose for the act.
>>532364922I have, like I said, those heretics had insane beliefs. What are you claiming, that Aryans were "Protestant?" They literally denied the divinity of Christ.
>>532352774>most catholics don't know the BibleTRUEI was raised Catholic, and then read the bible, and now I'm Protestant. Most Catholics are decent-enough-people but the RCC is evil.
>>532364893Thats not syncretism, that's coopting and subverting(and withinChristianity blasphemy). Syncretism is different groups developing similarly through cultural exchange
>>532364798It's slightly more complicated. God COULD lie, He is almighty after all, but He WOULD NOT do so as it is against His nature as God to lie. In practice, you can say "God can't lie", and for all intents and purposes that's a fact, even though it's not technically true. Bit of a paradox, but that's metaphysics and theology for you.>TL;DR: God could lie, but if He did He wouldn't be God, so He wouldn't lie. He could, but He also couldn't.
>>532364536Yeah, and protties do the same thing without ever asking for forgiveness or even acknowledging they're in the wrong.
>>532353653Protestants are far closer to the truth than Catholics. Jesus himself said most of the OT is a parable about his earthly spiritual development on Earth (Luke 24:27). Even the OT itself says the entire Exodus story is a parable (psalm 78).
>>532365061>>532365189You niggers are so tiresome, if you were interested in the truth you would already be catholic, it's insane to even consider you know better than 2000 years of bible study
>>532364296Wait until you find out where the name Vatican came from.Vatika was an Etruscan goddess of the underworld, syncretized with Inanna.
>>532364922Since you won't, I didFrom the 32–500 PeriodArians: The most prominent early Christian heresy; they were Christians who followed the teachings of Arius regarding the nature of Jesus.Donatists: A schismatic Christian sect in North Africa that argued for a "pure" church of martyrs.Montanists: An early movement centered on prophecy and the Holy Spirit.Priscillianists: Ascetic Christians in Spain; their leader, Priscillian, was the first Christian executed for heresy by a secular authority.Marcionites: Early followers of Marcion who accepted Jesus as Savior but rejected the Hebrew Bible.Total casualties: a million or so
>>532365111So, murdering them is okay.Say, how many millions of people can the "one true church" murder and still say they are the one true church?By my count, they're well over 100MM. That cool with you?
>>532365326No, God cannot lie.All lies come from the Father of Lies, and God will never do the work of the devil.You're free to do so now, but not forever. Do the work of the devil, that is.
>>532364893That was one of the major ways Catholicism spread throughout the pagan world: keep all the same rituals and practices of the pagans, but just rename/rebrand them. "Oh, Loki? You mean Lucifer? Same guy! You're just like us, see?""You worship the Spring equinox, the return of life to the world? Hey, cool! We know a Guy who IS the Life of the World, and He returned to life right about the same time as your equinox festivals! You've actually been worshipping Him this whole time and didn't even realize it! Isn't that cool?"That's not syncretism. That's coopting. That's one of the major complaints about the Catholic Church: that, in their zeal to convert the pagans, they didn't actually convert them to the Faith, they changed the Faith to suit them. The Germans weren't Christianized, Christianity was Germanized.
>>532365517Men like you have made themselves Stupid in order to make their lives easier, and make them fit into their group better.Stupid is not the way to heaven.
>>532352774Catholics who have faith are saved. Faith alone defines a Christian. They are imperfect Christians, yes, but who isn’t. The devil leverages imperfection, yes. I think we can see that in the Catholic Church and its history. There is no such thing as papal infallibility. But Catholics are also very knowledgeable and generally very good Christians. Worth praying about given the power and influence of the Catholic Church. Much better they have power than atheists or non-Christian religious factions (political Islam, political Judaism)
>>532365698https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTMRead nigger READ!!
>>532365675Hey, Roman Pagans, we're all Christians now, so get run through the baths and you're Christians through water baptism!*goes home and changes names on idols*
>>532353653I don't disagree with some of ur deboonks but romans 11:6 contradicts the other. It's by his grace.
>>532365752It's nauseating pagan fanfic that adds to the bible, a thing that is cursed in the bible. As is their gospel, which is also cursed. As is their clergy, who are also cursed. As are their laity, who made themselves Stupid in a cursed system that seeks their destruction.
>>532365660That's a Catholic belief. I'm not a Catholic.The devil is the Father of lies, sure. Who made the devil? Hmm?To say God can't do something is blasphemous on the face of it. Consider that.
>>532365008>no archeological or contemporary historical evidence for Noah, Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus, MohammedSure thing Moshe
>>532365517theres just not a single example of anyone praying to another beside God in the entire Bible. not once. theres a very clear command to not bow down before idols but its incredibly common for Romanists to do so before statues of Mary. its strange.
>>532352774True.Most Christians these days don't know the Bible, though.If you look at the polling, only about 1/3 of ALL churches are actually saved because that's the proportion that trusts in the death, burial, and resurrection as evidence that He will save them from their sins.
>>532363215Fuck off retard
>>532365868Jesus created the angels, and declared them good and very good at the end of the creation week.The highest angel was dissatisfied with his lot and staged a coup against the Almighty, and got his ass handed to him. He's the "devil" and he can still appear as an angel of light.Evil is no more a created thing than Darkness is.
>>532365008This article is over 3 decades oldhttps://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/the-tel-dan-inscription-the-first-historical-evidence-of-the-king-david-bible-story/
>>532366162Discovery I mean
>>532365499Neither of those passages say what you're saying they do, lmfao.>Luke 24:25-27 "25 Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself."That verse just says that Jesus explained to his disciples the previous scripture that was written/prophecied about him. He didn't say it was parable. He likely explained to them that stuff like Isaiah was prophesizing His return.
>>532365553I asked ChatJeetPT about that:>The Vatican City name comes from >Vaticanus Hill in Rome>Likely derived from Latin vaticinium (prophecy/oracle)>There is no credible historical evidence of:>an Etruscan goddess “Vatika”>or a connection to Inanna
>>532366457Fact remains that Jesus held bread and wine in his hands, they remained bread and wine, and Jesus never turned them into his entire body and his blood supply.Nor if he did, could your magicians counterfeit it."Do this in remembrance of me."
>>532366548Inanna was a prior name for the Queen of Heaven, just as Asherah and "Mary" are, in their time.
>>532366034See... Here's the thing...I just... didn't take it! ugh I know I know... but I just didn't take it is all! HAHAHA
>>532366047"I kill, and I make alive. I wound, and I heal. I do all things, and there are none that can deliver out of My hand".All things. I don't see any exceptions there. Are there "trees that the Lord has not planted"? Of course. Those would be the people corrupted by evil. But it is God that hardens a man's heart. Man does not harden his own heart - we never see even a single example of that in the Scripture. It is God that does all things, and it is Man that assigns moral judgement to the things God has inspired him to do, for good or for evil.To what purpose? I haven't a clue; ask Him. But assigning all of the ills of the world to a created being like Lucifer seems odd, when Lucifer himself was made by God and thus must have always been meant to be a Liar and a Betrayer and an Enemy.
>>532352774the Bible is written in a way that can be interpreted in a billion different ways.
>>532362537>But of course if the Catholic/Orthodox church act as gatekeepers there's the risk they become corrupt and perpetuate self-serving interpretations.That’s just it, though: the Catholic Church was clearly corrupted as far back as at least the time around Alexander VI. Probably the beginning, but certainly by then. I like the unbroken line of traditions clearly defined and scholarship through centuries that Catholicism has provided, but something about the Vatican in all its glittering, gilded majesty being about as exactly as opposite to Jesus teachings as possible is bothersome. The whole pope being the “vicar” of Christ seems blasphemous. Selling the right to go to heaven. It feels wrong. Doesn’t help that most catholics I’ve met are about as religious as reform jews - it’s more an identity group full of shitty leftists. I struggle with this though, because I also don’t really care for the neo-church vibes of most Protestant worship these days. It feels like a hollow, simulacra of pop culture.
>>532366563He was making a metaphor. Only a third world retard would misunderstand and think He *literally* transubstantiated them. But that's Catholics for you: third world retards to a one.
>>532353653>confess your sins>to another man who is just as if not more flawed than you Fuck off gatekeeper
>>532352774they are schizophrenic rantings by lolcow in olden times. only fools follow man made religions... if god had beef with me, he'd let me know
>>532366752Yeah that's my feeling. If believing exactly the correct doctrine was so important God should've written it like a philosophical treatise where there's no room for misinterpretation.
>>532352774It's a big closet for the pagan Roman sex cult.
>>532366692>Man does not harden his own heart - we never see even a single example of that in the Scripturesure we doIn Psalm 95:7–9 we read, “Today, if only you would hear his voice, ‘Do not harden your hearts as you did at Meribah, as you did that day at Massah in the wilderness, where your ancestors tested me.’”
>>532352774Super church downie op…
>>532352774Whoever has studied the Bible only had the opportunity to do so because Catholic monks transcribed it by hand for 1,500 years until the printing press was invented, your fucking RETARD.
>>532352774>brought to you from Antwerp diamond districtsure thing buddy, catholics are the problem
>>532367346the usual tired claiming by romanists that everyone was a ROMAN CATHOLIC always and at every place.
>>532352774the bible contradicts itself all the time thoughwhat with being written by a lot of different people in different times with different beliefs and all
>>532367877>the bible contradicts itself all the time thoughtotal meme garbage repeated over and over by atheists that dont want the answers. they will deny the most obvious answers to their very deaths rather than accept that one of their favorite gottchas isn't real.
>>532365189But American Goy is Protestant!!!See?x)
>>532362537I am yet to find a chapter or verse where I don't immediately know what is meant, at least in NT. It's extremely simple language and any minutiae which you might not know bring nothing of value to the message. Protestantists splintered off into thousands offshoots not because they read the Bible and misinterpreted it, but because they've never read it, much like Catholics.Fucking nobody reads the Bible
>>532352774Yes, Rome is the mother church all harlot churches and abominations of the earth. And their "holy father" the pope is the son of perdition, a refence to Judas Ischariot, it is someone from within the church in a religious setting. VICARIVS FILII DEI (VICIVILIIDI = 666), their claim that the pope has all authority of Jesus Christ on earth. Pagan Rome murdered their millions of Christians, but Papal Rome murdered tens of millions of Christians throughout history for reading and translating the Bible and daring to proclaim (pro-testari) that Jesus Christ is the Lord. It's incredible that people actually think this heathen Roman religion has anything at all to do with the Gospel of Christ. Now this beast ascended again and lures all the naive into her fallen apostate system, pretending they care at all about Biblical truth. It is an usurpation of the Gospel of Christ, and it always has been. When the Gospel became so big and undeniably popular in ancient Rome, they of course took over the message for themselves, for their Roman Papal Empire. And now that this Roman construct is "old" people think it has some sort of truth to it. And none of them are actually reading the Bible, it's all very obvious when you listen to Catholics how they have little to absolutely no interest in the word of God, they always go against the plain word and protect the falsehood of Rome, always. Their god is Rome, it's a superficial heathen religion with heathen idols and heathen rituals, and Mary worship of course, which is in reality the Babylonian ishtar renamed as Mary. Everything about this Roman church is Babylonian, in direct lineage of the former Empires.
>>532352774next best thing to orthodox.
>>532352774>Anyone who has studied the Bible seriously quite quickly concludes thatit's made-up bullshit?
who cares, the bible was a meme. the religion depicted in it did not even exist irl until the 2nd century bce. it was a meme that spawned itself into being. essentially, kek magic. and jews got lucky with judaism and christianity, but ever since have lost their mojo and have been trying and failing to meme things like trannies into existance. kek aint having it. the jews have lost the favour of the gods.>Yonathan Adler, judaism didnt exist before 2nd century bcehttps://youtu.be/5U1TN-i0x7g
>>532364516The Bible was literally written by Orthodox Christian bishops, fucktard.Did you really think your scriptures descended from Heaven like Muhammad's demonology manual?
>>532353653Protestants will claim the Eucharist is a metaphor but will use the bible to calculate the age of the earth and try to tell you T. rex was an herbivore. They're not even consistent.
>>532364667>Why go to an intermediary when you can just go directly to the Source for salvation?Is that why a Protestant's first reaction when something happens is to ask random Karens and Timmies to "pray for me"?
>>532352774I mean following the Bible 100% isn't a good thing necessarily
>>532362537The bible is mostly straightforward, but especially so when it comes to the stuff that matters most, like the NT.The real story is>convince people the Bible is confusing and obfuscated>tell them only (((you))) can properly interpret it>enough people believe you, so much so that they stop reading their Bibles entirely>now you can start twisting shit, "oh you just give to the Vatican! That's what tithes are for!" "You must confess your sins to ME!" "Yes, you can pray to dead human beings and ask them for favors."Adding cuck onto everything is usually laughably inaccurate, but with Catholicism, Catholicuck is the truest descriptor possible for their followers. Absolute sheep so deep in the tradition that they're unable to break out of it. Actual mental slaves.
The Catholic Church is the ONE True Church of the Almighty Most High Absolute God.
>anyone who studies the book compiled and published by Rome knows Catholicism is le badEvery Christcuck should be executed.
>>532353653>the flesh is good for nothing, its the Spirit that gives life>I give you bread and wine in form of my body in the order of Melchizedek>forgive the brother that sinned against you directly>on the LAST DAY everyone will be raised up and judgement>works proceed after faith and are not weird pagan rituals
>>532364683>a miracle that nobody is around to witness
>>532363736God protects the Church as a whole from dogmatic mistakes but not from human mistakes (as was a large part of Vatican II), especially in times of great confusing change such as post-WW2. Peter himself made mistakes. It is entirely legitimate to criticize non-dogmatic positions of the Vatican as long as you recognize their authority (in other words, you don't say that the Vatican doesn't have authority anymore just because of Nostra Aetate, which would make you protestant). If criticizing the Pope/Vatican (except Ex Cathedra statements) was not allowed, then every traditionalist would be getting excommunicated, which is not the case.
>>532366457Jesus didn't part the red sea, so it's not prophecy, it's parable.
>>532370672where do you ever see anyone in the Bible talking to those that have passed on? its just not done. and let's not pretend that prayer to saints and especially to Mary are not asking them directly for their helps and protect etc etc. with the Marian stuff its wild. 'oh queen of heaven save us, you are our hope and salvation, without you we know that we are lost...' on and on they go. take a look at picrel, probably one of Romes most republished books. its in something like 800 editions.
>>532371460What the actual fuck are you talking about
>>532352774>most catholics don't know the Bible at all
>>532370967The "god" of Catholicism is the pope. The RCC is evil.
>>532352774Correct.
>>532370967The Roman Catholic church is MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, the MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. They worship ROME, that is their god. It is that same old serpent, the heathen Roman antichristian dragon. That includes all of her harlot church daughters like Zionist "Protestantism", supporting the synagogue of Satan (Judaism) and false eschatology like Futurism (made up by the Jesuit Francisco Ribera) and JW and Mormonism and whatever else they made up over the centuries. They made up a whole universe that isn't even real which led people into godless atheistic nonsense like the "Big Bang" (an invention by Jesuit Georges Lemaitre in 1930). All of it is Roman-Babylonian religious-political-financial constructs that are explicitly anti-Bible and anti-Christian. The truth is Jesus Christ alone, the Word of God. He alone is Lord and King. And only those that proclaim and testify (pro-testari) that Jesus Christ alone is the Lord, are the true ekklesia of Jesus Christ. That is what Christians proclaimed since the first century AD.
>>532370699more like:>convince people the bible is confusing and obfuscated>tell them only (((you))) can interpret it>make it a capitol punishment for anyone not (((you))) to possess books of the bible for 1500 years>kill people for attempting to even translate it>before you can make the bible public (1500 years after it was written), the empire of the sandnigger christians obsessed with tranny surgeries who were calling themselves romans and who (((you))) genuinely thought were the greeks collapses and all the censored european works (((you))) couldnt destroy find their way back into Europe, immediately and installing spurring a Renaissance>by the time the bible is finally published, nearly everyone realizes just how stupid it is in comparison to literally any other european work of the period and christianity suffers a mortal wound which hasnt stopped hemmoraghing ever since>the previous jewish theocracy collapses, forcing jews to do an esau's gambit to try to fight over the remaining npcs>jew 2 finds reasonable results amongst northern europe by ditching most of the jewish nonsense and hoping to integrate even more paganism into the already heavily paganized post-christian corporate church structure, while the old catholic order is stuck with all the brown people>fell for it award winners completely oblivious to the fact that the raving anti-semite is a jew, whose on team jew, and his real mission is to delay and distract europeans long enough to ensure jewish hegemony over the new world
>>532372003i curse all jews, including fictional jewish depictions like jesus christ.if christianity was the truth, it would stand on its own merits, it wouldnt need to censor and destroy cultures, libraries, art, etc. the fact that it has needed to rely on this, not to mention kidnapping children and using them as hostages, shows its jewish in nature."resist not evil" - jesus christthese are all the words you should ever need to know that its jewish.>Creating Christhttps://youtu.be/gHOK66qj9xc>Caesar's Messiahhttps://odysee.com/@Wormhole%27s_SpaceTime:d/Caesar%27s-Messiah---The-Roman-Conspiracy-to-Invent-Jesus:5>The Jesus Puzzlehttps://jesuspuzzle.com/jesuspuzzle/jhcjp.htm>On the Historicity of Jesus Audiobook:https://files.catbox.moe/ab0zkr.torrent>Nailed - Ten Christian Myths that show that Jesus Never Existed (At All)https://odysee.com/@NiggerballsJohnson:c/Nailed---Ten-Christian-Myths-That-Show-Jesus-Never-Existed-at-All--David-Fitzgerald:5>Christ in Egypt, the Horus-Jesus Connectionhttps://files.catbox.moe/aiusdk.pdf>The Darkening Agehttps://archive.org/details/the-darkening-age-the-christian-destruction-of-the-classical-world
>>532371652>broad is the way that leads to destruction
>>532374794If God created the world knowing most of the people would be deceived then go to hell and suffer forever, that seems like kind of a dick move, no?
>>532375301what makes you think humans arent the offenders?>then go to hell and suffer forevereternal soul concept is not biblical. Jesus says that soul die, meaning destruction. not eternal suffering.
>>532352774Most non-Catholic Christians don't know the Bible at all either lmao, you fake faggots just cherry pick what's convenient for you and readily discard the rest.
>>532352774>catholic attack thread #54834shalom
>>532371643Why are you even talking if you're already this lost?
>>532375778>Jesus says that soul dieAnd yet most churches teach eternal suffering. The soul simply being destroyed after death sounds more reasonable to me. Eternal suffering for ~80 years worth of "sins" - even relatively minor sins like coveting your neighbors wife or wanking off - offends my sense of justice and sounds more like some coercive mind control mechanism than something a just God would do
>>532376221>sounds more like some coercive mind control mechanism than something a just God would docongrats, you figured out roman catholocism. its talmudism 2.0.
>>532376335Funny story - an ex friend of mine had a bad salvia trip and thought he went to hell. After that he became an anxiety riddled fundamentalist protestant because he was so scared of returning there after death. Stay away from drugs, kids..
>>532352855>for he who is not against us is on our side.can work with thattho remember"So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth."Revelation 3:16one can be not against Christ, but must be against evil
>>532353653>>Jesus: you must eat My flesh>Flesh and Bloodpersonally groked it as order to keep/learn original teachings (Body) but actually trying to live them out (Blood keeping Body alive); walking just for Sundays but sinning otherwise is dead like Body without Blood, or whitened gravesorry if sounds heretic, spiritual is kinda hard to explain
