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>just let the invisible hand of the free market take care of things bro
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>>532355406
China isn't communist and hasn't been since the death of Mao.
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>>532355458
>it's not real communism bro
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>>532355406
Nonsensical Reddit intellectual disability post
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>>532355406
this is just competence vs incompetence.
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>>532355406
>>532355458
>>532355511
>thinly veiled whataboutchina deflection
This American slide thread full of samefag replies by American shills wouldn't be necessary if Iran wasn't singlehandedly exposing the rott and corruption of the American Epstein class regime
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>>532355555
AMERIMUTTS BTFO
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China is actually not communist anymore. The middle class is growing and growing. The evisceration of the middle class, the bourgeosie, is the essential characteristic of communism. Is it a dystopian shithole? Sure. But it's not communist, not really.
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>>532355500
China won
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>>532355406
China is not a communist country.
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>>532355500
Considering they have free markets in China, because they are superior to central planning, should be evidence enough.
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>>532355680
I'm not even anti Chinese but I sympathise with the bugmen because they think lit up skyscraper is a flex kek. I guess it's an improvement than killing field birds.
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>>532355659
>the middle class is the bourgeosie
German education, everyone
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>>532355692
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>>532355406
>the free market
No
What we have is called Tikkun Olamism
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What a country can accomplish when they don’t give all their money to Israel and jews vs one that does
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>>532355458
> communist country fails
That was real communism
> communist country succeeds
That was not real communism, it was ackshually capitalism

You lost, rightoïds
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>>532355406
Isn't Amtrak a textbook case of the crony government stifling competition?
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>>532355406
I finally understand what "mogging" means.
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>>532355500
Communist chads make cuckpitalists seethe
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remeber when that train crashed in china and they buried everyone alive to hide the accident?
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>>532355406
China’s not communist, they’re state capitalists.
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>>532355406
it did, and it decided that trains are gay
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>>532355931
How does one communist country fail and the other succeed?
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>>532355406
Air travel is so cheap in the US, trains make 0 economic sense
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>>532355617
And the majority of areas where the US is leading have been targeted for specific cuts by Trump. Just a coincidence.
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>>532355500
its so funny how /pol/ calls neoliberal corporate democrats communists and yet calls actual chinese hammer and sickle marxists capitalist
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>>532355980
I'm not a capitalist.
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>>532355680
Imagine living in China the last 20 years and seeing your cities transform into this vs how american cities have decayed into fent zombie wastelands
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>free market be like
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>>532356019
>it's real bro I saw an AI video on it on tik tok
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Newsflash, central planning done by geniuses + death sentences for corruption = a well run country
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>>532355406
China has a Communist ideology but hypocritically runs a market economy with heavy state intervention. They're never going to implement a command economy because command economies are retarded.
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>>532355823
That's how communists have seen it every time, and how they've acted. Anyone with their own nice house, multiple cars, maybe a boat-- they are all bourgeois enablers of the system and need to be stripped of their belongings for redistribution purposes.
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>>532355680
>>532355847
>having shit like this on hard drive
you are beyond pathetic even if they pay you to post here
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>>532355406
Why are people always cherry picking and not displaying the majority distopian shitholes?
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>>532356104
Are they wrong? The CCP want their people to innovate whereas western corporations want socialism.
If we were to label by their actions rather than political stereotypes.
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>>532356219
Looks exactly like lithuania minus the skycrapers
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How much profit do corporations and chinese billionaires have to surrender to the state?

whats the corporate tax rate in america?

dont corps do alot of the heavy lifting when it comes to tax contributions in america?
seems like america is more interested in having politicians rob coffers blind for their only bullshit vanity projects that change every 2-4 years.

china wins becuase they think more moves ahead than adhd brain americans that are under threat by a two party tug of war for greedy assholes
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>>532356219
>REAL CAPITALISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED
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>>532356192
Give the chinks a break. They went from famine to copy and paste western cities.

Now to get them to fight India.
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>>532356315
Or Romania.
Yea sure go ahead and tell me my country looks like that
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>>532355406
Is china really a communist regime? In the sense of free shit for everyone, like housing, healcare, retirement, ... To me it look more like half hyper competitive and half confiscatory regime.
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>>532355406
chink trains barely work for 2 years

come back when china allows free flow of information and independent media coverage and we'll see how good their fake brand of communism is (communism with money isn't communism)
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>>532355406
trains are slow
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>>532355406
>Amtrack
>free market
KEK
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>>532356219
You can't knock the China man for trying to progress. The Indians on the other hand are the ones we should be universally hating.
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>>532355823
Bourgeoise and Proletarian are stupid nonsense labels anyway. The definition of Bourgeoise shifts depending on who the Communispergs hate more on any given day, farmers with the temerity to own their own cow were consider Bourgeoise under Stalin. Likewise Proletarian is stupid because it assumes that everyone who isn't le tophat man has the same economic needs and interests.
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>>532356404
It does, the neatherthallands is the only country in europe with favelas
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>>532356420
No. China has adopted both national socialism and free market -thinking. It could be that China was truly communist back in the day but not anymore.
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>>532356479
innovate at what? Organ harvesting and car battery fires?
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>>532356337
China and Vietnam were both commie shitholes, now they both have stock markets and are almost first world. Capitalists won, remember to clock in on Monday.
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>>532356425
That is a dumbass cope. China is doing well and the West should take them seriously if we want to compete.
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>>532355406
LOL Amtrak is communist as fuck.
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>>532355500
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>>532356266
In communism you don't own phones and get a state assigned apartment and are required to always work. China having unemployment explicitly means it isn't communist. None of your flags except the gypsy who stole hungarian land is eastern european, all of you are westoids who never experienced or lived behind the iron curtain and the low tier services. China's market is only possible through deficit spending enabled through american wealth transfers and as their 800 million elderly people sink the welfare system it will fall apart or kill all the old people I guess.
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>>532356515
>China has adopted both national socialism

Just stop. National socialism was centuries in the making. Years of Prussian military and Bavarian innovation.

Just because a government does something it doesn't mean it's National socialism.
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>>532355406
Nothing works with any ism or system if a single jew exists on the face of the planet, let alone governments infested with jewish demons.
Destroy the jew, utterly and to the last, cast it into the fire at once!
As long as a single jew, practicing or by blood, exists the world will continue to terraform itself into hell by satan's hand
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>>532355617
>Advaned robotics
>China
LMAOOOOO
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>>532356544
I'm not claiming that they're innovative, I'm saying the government it's trying to get the population to be more innovative in terms of business and economy. Obviously the Chinese will aren't up to western standards but, seeing them progress is a plus to the world.
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>>532356564
It's not fucking "cope" dumb Finn, China has absolutely no insight and you gobble up Chinese propaganda like a dog. Look at a few tourism photos and think you know anything.
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>>532356653
And your point? Socialism wasn't invented in South America and it's being used there.
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>>532356643
>you can't own a phone in communism
>communism means you get a free apartment
>you don't get unemployment benefits in communism
American education, everyone!
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>>532356772
Socialism is just anything the government does. It doesn't mean it's a Germanic ideology.
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>>532355406
>benevolent leadership
>spreadsheet leadership
There's the difference.
And for what it's worth, China's system has had terrible leadership too.
What you've got to consider is whether the Han Chinese as a whole can be trusted not to harm each other in a free society or not.
Doing so will help you see why their system of rule as it is today, virtually the same one from centuries ago even though it's branded communism, is necessary for them.
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>>532355406
China is capitalism - jews.
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>>532355555
Wasted
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Even Amtrak is subsidized like all public transportation. Hell the airlines are subsidized as well. That is what the government spent on and why the trains suck once you look into it. Didn't want to buy up all that private property to install the rails. Trains will hit people and animals dumb enough or unable to move off the tracks in time. Not saying what America spent on is necessarily better but I can understand why.
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>>532356479
This thread isn't about knocking the Chinaman, it's about not getting suckered by Commie shills. They'll point to China and say "look shiny communism" and then try to sell you on their preferred flavor of Marxist bullshit.
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>>532355458
It's a centrally managed economy with quasi free market elements.
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>>532357031
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>>532356664
If that single Jew just owns a jewelry store or bakery it's fine. He is not working in government. Once they get involved in politics or critical industries and financial services then they can become a problem with their parasitical culture. That is where the problem is.
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Planes > Trains
Simple as
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>>532357145
Yet more bait and switch. The overwhelming majority of commies in the west are in favor of LBGTQWTFBBQ, brownoid invasion, and anything with an international flavor. At best Communism is raceblind but most of those are tankies sitting in their mom's basement and LARPing like it's 1944.
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>>532357245
>If that single Jew just owns a jewelry store or bakery it's fine.

Lol no
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>>532356219
I would imagine they'd force them to relocate to the new buildings and tear down the old homes.
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>>532355406
>free market
Amtrak is owned by the US government.
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>>532356765
No, that is not it.

>China installed more industrial robots in 2025 than the rest of the world combined.
>Their shipbuilding capability 200 times that of the US
>China steel production accounts 50% of the world total output
>Almost 60% of rare-earth mining, and 90% of refining is done by China
>China just became the world leader in biotech

And there's more.
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>>532355555
I was just directed here to witness them digits
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>>532355847
>tfw i'll never have a chinese gf with fat tits
I can't fucking take this anymore.
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>>532357245
It really isn't. That Jew who owns that single Jewelry store or Bakery will inevitably work to bring in more Jews and form a Jewish enclave. That enclave will work to get ambitious Jews into those positions where they can do damage. Saying a single Jew is fine is like saying a single virus in your system is fine.
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>>532355406
Niggers
That's all
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>>532355406
top one is a waste of $1 trillion and loses billions a year, bottom one makes billions a year, and stinky chinkies still think theirs is better.
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>>532355511
Kek
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>>532357129
China is more capitalist than most european countries at this point.
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>>532355406
The free market decided to go to china after 2008.
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>>532355847
Lamo too skinny
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>>532358025
faggot
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China is more capitalist thsn the US is.

>>532355558
>if Iran wasn't singlehandedly exposing the rott and corruption
Iran's civilization is getting deleted, no matter how many lucky potshots on planes they get on their way to hell.
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>>532355406
the truth is in between. china isn't communist but their rail system is state financed and not profitable as a business.
it probably is profitable for the country as a whole when considering all positive impacts.
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>>532355931
When will you creatures shut the fuck up and stop acting so uppity?
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>>532355406
trains are shit, for subhuman scum
so spending less on them is pretty fucking cool
though spending nothing at all on trains would be even better
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>>532356337
It really hasn't. What we have is an oligarchy in cahoots with the state. First pretend to be free business and then hang yourself onto the teet of the government until there's no more difference. Look at Elon Musk.
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>>532357725
You stupid fucking nigger. You absolute fucking monkey.
YOU CAN'T TRUST ***ANY*** OF WHAT GOES ON INSIDE CHINA TO BE REAL.
How fucking stupid are you? Everything comes from CCP, even if YOU read it on some western website they ultimately are fed bullshit by CCP.
There's NO independent insight into ANYTHING that goes on inside China.
Bringing up exports has fuckall to do with their trains or how well communism works, you fucking idiot. Jesus fucking Christ. Talk about being stupid. The west pay chinks to do slave labor and pollute their shit country so we get resources. So? Congrats? Nice fucking "communism", idiot. Doesn't mean their trains will not fall apart in that corrupt hellhole. Again, NO INSIGHT. Bootlicking fucking moron.
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>>532355931
Megafaggot tell me ehst in china is communist. You have fucking companies.
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>>532358583
>everything is a lie because I said so
Cool stuff, Sven.
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>>532355406
>two photographs taken in different contexts
>train station versus railway switch track
>AHA, A CAPITALIST NATION NEVER HAD AN ADVANCED TRAIN SYSTEM BEFORE
so which imperialistic empire invented the steam train, hmm?
come on now, don't be shy
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>>532358583
oh he mad
Chinese century still full steam ahead while we cry about muh climate and introduce 53465 more laws to make cow farts smell nicer
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>Just believe the flat faced "people" with piss colored skin
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>>532358720
>chinese century full steam ahead
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>>532358764
ok, declining empire.
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>>532355406
Do you really think a peasant like yourself would ever be allowed on one of those ?
The hubris. Your ass would never transcend the rice field Gypsie.
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>>532358797
>china wirr win two maw week
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>>532356643
>In communism you don't own phones and get a state assigned apartment and are required to always work. Fox News and the Heritage Foundation told me so!
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>>532355406
>styrofoam
>metal
kys wumao

>>532355458
Everything in china is controlled by the state and there is no private property as the CCP can and do take your property away for any and all reasons. So yes it's fucking communist you stupid motherfucker.
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>>532355406
Amtrak is goverent run moron.
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>>532355406
>100 trains sitting still
>1 train working
sounds about right lmao fucking ignorant goat fucker
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>>532356156
that was before AI zoomzoom
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>>532355406
White countries have faster machines that can fly.
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>>532359007
kek, this
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>>532356156
VPN, diaspora patriot or race traitor?
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>>532358738
Are these guys lying too? Is there a worldwide conspiracy to make China look better than it is?

>https://www.csis.org/analysis/are-us-policies-eroding-chinas-dominance-shipbuilding
"China competition. In 2024, China captured over 53 percent of global market share in the commercial shipbuilding industry, while the United States accounted for only 0.1 percent. Just one Chinese firm, the state-owned juggernaut China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC), built more commercial vessels by tonnage in 2024 than the entire U.S. shipbuilding industry has built since the end of World War II."
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>>532355406
>Communism
>that is propped up by jew banks leeched from the "free market"
And people fall for the shit. It's why you're slated to evaporate.
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>Oh yeah? Well boats
This is it, this is the best that piss skins and the race traitors that support them can come up with
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>>532355555
Penta 5s revealing the truth
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>>532359520
They are ahead in biotech, in steel production, in automation, and so on. I really don't understand you copers, you only make the West weaker.
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if trannies simply killed themselves they wouldnt have to come on this board
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>>532355555
Freight trains are a competent move.

Creating a rail network to connect cities via high speed rail is retarded. Especially when you already have an existing mature aviation network.

I think regions would be better suited developing commuter rail as the service based industries push more humans to move back into the city.
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>China winning, they take ova, 2 maw week
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>>532358986
>there is no private property as the CCP can and do take your property away for any and all reasons.
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>>532355406
>>532355458
>>532355500
China literally follows the definition of a Fascist state.
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>>532355406
Trains suck anyways.
Force you to conform. The employment destinations are collectivist hells too. No privacy.

Cars are the best for sanity. Working from home's even better.
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>>532357245
>>532357831
Please, for the love of God, stop capitalizing jew.

>>532357533
>>532357245
>>532357831
Also, yes, a single jew cannot be tolerated. Its just like saying a single virus is ok. They are evil vile demonic filthy rat vermin and must be destroyed utterly and to the last.
Hitler's kindness towards the jew and making them work instead of exterminating them allowed them to survive. Big mistake.
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>>532359938
More cope. Why? Is it hubris?
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>>532359971
>noooo fuck this youtuber he should have bought AMERICAN
>fucking scum promoting turkish shit like Beretta
>fucker should have reviewed a new Winchester
Sometimes I wish niggers killed more in america so people like that wouldn't pollute my screen.
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>>532360165
>China wirr win yoo cope!
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>>532359892
case in point
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>>532356104
Because it’s all just propaganda to keep people from questioning the status quo.
When China does something bad it’s because they’re communist, which proves the superiority of our current system. If China does something good, magically it becomes capitalist again, which means we don’t need to change anything because we’re already on the same system as them anyways.
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>>532356581
Amtrak is designed to fail. Like why are they so focused on their interstate travel. They should focus on creating corridors and giving up their historic lines. No one wants to catch a train at 10 pm and get to next state at 2 am.

Maybe they could also attempt to become like cruise ships of the land offering a shit ton of amenities and entertainment.
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>>532355406
>USA
>free market
Pick one.
>every country
>needing an insane rail system
Pick one.
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>>532358158
China already has millions of buses. HSR is a luxury good some corrupt bougie politburo member decided he'd enrich himself with.
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"china"
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>>532355500
It’s state capitalism. Nazis and we during Ataturk’s era employed similar system. Japan and south Korea do it to some extent.
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Public transport is communism.
Please do not look at the EV market.
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>>532356992
Air is better than rail 100%.

A town in bumblefuck North Dakota can get is population connected to the entire world by building a small airport. With 1 layover in Denver and you can go anywhere. You just can't do that with rail. It requires billions in planning and land acquisition. Property rights are a mother fucker. The government/people own the air though.

Train reeing on the internet is 100% just a symptom of autism growth.
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>>532360202
Wtf are babbling about?
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>>532355555
Jup, that's what it is. Checked
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>>532355406
china isn't communism anymore, it's national socialism
communism is just the revolutionary stage, which all jews are really interested in because it is the stage where wealth is redistributed.
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>>532356219
what is propaganda?
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>>532356643
>In communism you don't own phones
kek

All jews gotta do is keep giving you phones and you'll stay asleep forever.
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>>532355406
so, what you're telling me is that national socialism works?
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>>532355406
>flag
seriously? our trains are garbage literally because of communism and now the state railway company
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>>532355406
For the last fucking time
>the chinese economy is the closest current comparison to a FASCIST economic model
enough with the commie slop
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>>532356643
Apparently the Soviet Union wasn't communist then.

You boomers and spiritual boomers need to admit to reality: to you it's not real communism if it works and it is real communism if it fails. China started getting called "state capitalism" the very second it started overtaking the US economy.

The problem for capitalist apologia is that it really has nothing anymore, other than the idea that every other system is even worse. Capitalists can't pretend that it's a nice system which helps everyone, they have to grant by looking around at reality that it creates terrific amounts of poverty, makes our architecture ugly, leaves our infrastructure to rot, creates monstrous industries like health insurance or hedge funds, hooks us on psychiatric drugs, tries its hardest to keep us doomscrolling, and fills as much of our sky/water/food with poison as possible. All they can say is something like
>Well okay, but every other system is worse!
But if you can look across the Pacific and see a system that isn't obviously worse, that maybe has some tradeoffs, that could be better on balance, or could even just give some ideas on how to improve our home system of rapacious financialization, that's deadly to American capitalism. The people here CANNOT be allowed to know that other options exist.
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>>532355458
Communism is an ideology, not a system. An ideal that's worked towards, not necessarily a way of doing things.
The point of a Communist Party is to build a socialist state that is owned and operated by the working class for the working class. There's no one singular way of doing that. Using a capitalist system to build the foundations with the understanding that, eventually, it will all be nationalized is completely within the rules.
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>>532359971
Why do you retards immediately start building a strawman when faced with facts?
Eminent domain in America is not what China does you stupid fuck. In America it's rare and it's compensated.
> The constitutionally required "just compensation" in partial takings is usually measured by fair market value of the part taken, plus severance damages
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>>532355406
Communists being illiterate as usual.

Communism in China has chinese characteristics and is a different system. You won't see any free market supporter be against that one.

The free market in the bottom pic is not free market either btw, because 1. there's blacks in public transport in the US and 2. The government is in charge of train lines.

If the government is in charge of something then it's the opposite of free market / capitalism. This is something commies never get. They think if a government official makes people pay taxes at gunpoint and then pockets the money that's capitalism, that's not how it works.
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>>532361369
This is my land, my family has lived on it for generations and should continue living on it for generations to come.

>Too bad, we need to build another AI datacenter take what we deem "fair market value" to be and move into a shitty subdivision
You don't own anything in America either, the laws just obfuscate the truth here, whereas in China they're just honest with their citizens about not actually owning anything.
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>>532361369
If in China there is no private property and the government's allowed to seize anything at any time for any reason, why didn't they just kick this guy out of his house? Why build the road around it when his wishes shouldn't matter to the Chinese government? It's almost like there was a line the government wouldn't let itself cross.

There's basically no difference on this. In America you can be eminent domain'd and you can talk to urbanists about how many people got evicted from their homes to make room for highways in the mid 20th century. China respects those property rights about as much as the USA.
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>>532357518
they are larping, not real communists



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