I love the A10 warthog. It's an iconic American plane. Developed in the 70's. 1977 to be exact. And produced through the mid 80's. The A10 is currently scheduled to be completely removed from service in 2026. That's this year. So it's 'use it or lose it' time. I see some people laughing that we lost an A10, but we have 162 A10's and we have to use them all THIS YEAR because they become scrap metal next year. I think it was a cool plane, but it's not going to compete with 6th gen robot warfare.
use em or lose em. It's not like they will fly off the shelves if we try to sell them.
>>532368687who cares about the pilots' lives right?
theres a reason they didn't send it to ukraine. only good when you're fighting an enemy that has no AA.
>>532368781What I would do is rig them with an autopilot bot, and pack them with high explosives and fly them into the enemy. A whole squadron of 162 suicide bombers just carpet bombing the living shit out of an Iranian base.
>>532368956that's just 162 extremely expensive missilesyou're either retarded or underage
>>532369111Expensive is irrelevant at this point. They are going out of service. It's a sunk cost. Since they are all going to be scrapped at the end of the year anyway, they may as well use them as expensive missiles.
The USA has like a million planes just sitting in deserts and fields. It's always been pretty shocking to me that we spend trillions of dollars on the military just so they can buy planes and park them in a field. And then they get put out of service and it becomes a trillion dollar loss.
>>532368687>we have to use them all THIS YEAR because they become scrap metal next year.you're right on track nigger as iranians turned two of into scrap yesterday
>>532368687>Heres why getting shot down is actually a GOOD thing and means that we are winning!
>>532369512The point of my thread is to speak to people like you who think it's a good insult that we lost a single A10. Let me remind you we have 161 more and they all have to be used THIS YEAR.Oh no! one of my 162 old planes got shot down, what will we do when we only have like a million newer better planes? How will we ever win without that one A10?!!? gasp /sarcasm
>>532369358Can't they just put them up for sale, like a car auction?
>>532369644>Oh no! Not my million mulattos getting shot down on Kharg island! Goyim expire anyway, might as well use them!If you care abut economy so much, think about how ridiculously cheap a dead mulatto is.It would be much more economic to simply rush in with a horde of a million mulattos.There are 330 million of them.Just fly them in with A10s and throw them out of planes.It's fucking free!
>>532369644good point, but the propaganda implications of losing one in the field are more impactful than you think. Many older americans think the warthog is some invincible 7th generation all purpose aircraft
>>532369857It might be cool for collectors to have an A10. They would probably have to strip out the guns before selling to a collector. I bet they might still fly at air shows to generate some revenue or something. But the life of the A10 as an active military aircraft are over by the end of the year.>>532369879It's actually not a bad idea. I've considered it myself. You create penal platoons. Prisoners who serve their time in the military, on the battlefield, and at the end of a term of service, their crimes are expunged. More significant crimes might require more missions. This channels all the natural aggressive tendencies of the criminal, into waging war on enemies. It can give them purpose and a goal. But there will always be risks with using prisoners as soldiers, but I think with the right technologies we could ensure compliance. Give them shock collars and bomb implants in the base of the skull and they will comply.
I don't think that makes it any less humiliating. You are getting blown out of the sky by goat guided missile FFS. I thought you trannys already won bigly anyway.
>>532370218What is your argument against storming Kharg Island with a million mulattos?The USA has a shitton of ships that are about to be thrown into the trash and 330 million mutts that would expire soon anyway.Why not just storm in?You know, similar to how the rescue troopes stormed into Iran to try to ind the mutt pilot and got themselves shot down
>>532368687>162 A10'sShould be sold at auction, I'll take 3 please.
>>532370724I heard China was helping Iran, so any losses the USA takes, are because of China, not due to Iran being anything special. >>532370844My argument against it, is that an amphibious invasion is a bad idea, and airdrop is a bad idea, and fighting in the mountains is a bad idea. And this isn't even my war. This is Israel's empire building. As far as I can tell, Trump just wants to obliterate the middle east so the USA becomes the rich oil exporting nation. And if total destruction is his goal, he should just use nukes on Iran.
Wtf will America do when it runs out of long range munitions and has to start flying more often these and other planes over Iranian territory and AA? I think thats probably already happening and you guys are fucked unless you also do a ground invasion, otherwise just cut losses and pull out completely if you can't commit.
>it's not going to compete with 6th gen robot warfareIt's actually quite well suited for killing large suicide drones because it can loiter forever and the munitions it would expend doing so are cheap compared to the missiles we normally expend.
>>532368687Yesterday US Airforce suffered the highest daily lose since Vietnam war. Just sayin'.
>>532368687I honestly didn't even know there were still any in service.
Don't things these carry AGMs and Guided bombs? Why are they strafing with their gun?
such a sturdy, solid, satisfying plane to watch fly. it's like a flying humvee with way more weaponsshouldnt we just give them to some other country for some kind of deal?
>>532371167interesting take. OK. I can see that.
If china is your enemy wtf are you wasting your stockpiles on fucking Iran a country nobody but Israel is threatened by.
>>532371217they're strafing those speedboats Iran has
>>532368687Migger cope is incredible
>>532371245Iran is helping Russia in Ukraine, destroy Iran and Russia falls too. China quickly folds with no allies if WW3 starts.
>>532370218>They would probably have to strip out the gunsgunanyways that would render the plane unflyable because the entire airframe is built around it, would ruin the weight distributionyou'd have to permanently disable the gun, not remove it
>>532369201sunk cost fallacy
>>532371245You're preaching to the choir. I don't think Israel is a very good ally and I hate being called a goyim and being exploited, so I think the USA shouldn't even be fighting. It should be Israel doing this war they wanted so badly.
>>532368781Just have jeets pilot them and send them all to Iran.
>>532368687A-10s will be used in the maga draftee ground offensive in Iran to try to give maga draftees some semblance of a fighting chance to survive. They wont. Lmao
>>532369201They could always sell them without the armaments to civilian aircraft enthusiasts as a military surplus. It would be a much more practical to do so.
>>532371111You're right.That's exactly why the A-10 happens to still be relevant, somehow.Because the MIC insane corruption and graft that lawmakers and executives have allowed in dereliction of duty, despite receiving some 20 trillion or so over the last few decades cannot replace missile expenditures because they simply never scaled manufacturing capabilities.Nobody will ever be held responsible for this criminal fraud of the American taxpayer.
>>532368956China is doing this with their obsolete fighter jets. Hundreds of them are stationed around Taiwan.
>>532368687>I think it was a cool plane, but it's not going to compete with 6th gen robot warfare.How about some Generation 1 robot warfare? Powerglide, fuck yeah!
>>532371169And? How many soldiers were lost? If none then it sounds like a win. War machines are made to fight wars, of course they’re going to get damaged once in awhile. Why do you think the military recruits, hires, teaches, and gives mechanics and engineers a career working on war machines? So when the machines take some damage they just send it over the good old American boys who know how to fix them. Iran is losing bad
>>532371442meh. Never gonna happen. First of all, they met their recruiting quota's. They would only piss people off with a conscription draft. And even if they did, this generation is so demoralized that they would rather kill themselves or go to prison than become unwilling soldiers for Israel. So if they drafted people it would be nothing but traitors and saboteurs as far as the eye can see. You can't build a functional army out of traitors and saboteurs who don't know why they are fighting the war and hate the political class forcing it.
>>532368687>"It's really just us throwing trash at them"
>>532371310It's America that has no allies after threatening and insulting NATO and failing to adequately defend their Arab gulf allies, they are not even trying to make Iran fall(not a stated objective and maybe even impossible for America to achieve anyway)and also the price of oil and gas is a windfall to both Iran and Russia. Iran putting a toll on passage through the strait is pretty much all it's looking like America has achieved. Oh and maybe the end of the petrodollar.And all this because they vote in completely zogged 4 time draft dodging child fucker.
>>532371867You just don't understand the strategy.Watch this https://youtu.be/xrmERlHUqBk
I imagine Americas Asian allies are also pissed because they are the only one really effected by shortages, even tho trump keep claiming this only effects Europe.
The petrodollar will die, and the middle east will be in ruins. But after that, the USA, Venezuela and Canada will fuse into the Technate of America and we'll be the worlds #1 oil exporter. With wealth like the gulf states enjoyed for the past 50 years. This is actually the strongest MAGA move possible.
Do you think we should have stopped WW2 every time a plane crashed or a ship sank?
>>532371242Trust the corrupt dingleberries to scrap them anyways.Flying a purely defensive mission in friendly airspace to protect vulnerable ground assets from Shaheds that are even slower than you are?Not really something that serves the bottom line for MIC revolving door types.Also there are those who secretly want the US deterrent (conventional missile stockpiles which are being burned through rapidly and reallocated from the Pacific theatre) against China taking Taiwan to be depleted. So the more irreplaceable multimillion dollar missiles wasted killing drones which cost a few tens of thousands the better.Anyways, there aren't enough A10s to actually provide sufficient coverage except for a relatively small area of operations. Which would still be nice for boots.
>>532372313So you're fine with this turning into WW3 even though our manufacturing base doesn't exist anymore and we cannot effectively replace losses of any kind, be it at sea or in the air, which was not a problem in WW2.You're like, an elderly boomer aren't you?With no real grasp of the actual dire situation this country is facing due to decades of corruption and complacency.This state of affairs is squarely the fault of your entire cohort btw and basically no one else.
>>532372078Europe is losing a war theyre too cucked and chicken shit to lift a finger over, Americans don’t rely on Iranian oil or the Hormuz Straight. Now Americans will keep the oil as punishment and compensation for the decades of terrorism Iran has inflicted upon the world, in an alternate reality all the countries in Europe hurting for oil would’ve been entitled to part of the spoils
>>532372177You know what is the problem with Venezuela? Is a country that you sactioned for year damaging their oils pools so yo need 5 years and many effor to complete restauration, Iran has no that problem the quality for their pool are better.
>>532372177It's much more likely Canada will succed the united states as the king of nato and a new European bloc
>>532372605Correct. We have done not a cent of business or trade with Iran for 47 years we get no oil from them.
>>532371315> you'd have to permanently disable the gunThey would not have to do shit to the gun. Getting ammo for the thing is basically impossible.
>>532372630Venezuelan oil is kind of crap anyway, it's sulphurous and low quality.
>>532368843This.Wasn't the A-10 designed for use in an environment when you have complete air superiority anyway?it was built so it could take punishment from AA and small arms fire, not go in with SAM systems everywhere.
>>532372605America stopped all funding to Ukraine, now Europe is paying it all(we also still have our munitions unlike you guys wasted it on a goat lmao). In fact you n words are actually stealing funds from us we paid you for arms to Ukraine to replace your own depleted stockpiles.
>>532372523America still has factories and a never ending amount of humans willing to work them. Trump could snap his fingers and have the United States functioning as war time manufacturing tomorrow. You sound like a clueless young idiot who would benefit from a punch in the head, ya catch a couple punches to the head you stop acting like an Anti American idiot.
Thanks ironically to green energy libtards in Europe we won't even need oil and gas soon
>>532368687We have always had “162” Most of those are grounded anonSalvaged for parts that aren’t made anymore.We honestly have like 10 and each and every one of those are distributed out to all of our bullshit forever wars.
>>532368687LONG LIVE ZOGLONG LIVE ISRAELDEATH TO THE NON-GOLEMDEATH TO THE GOYIM
>>532372826You have no armaments, the glory of your country that used to rely on the strength of its Navy having enough vessels to fill up a great portion of the seas now relies on the strength of your American brothers and sisters to protect it, and it’s sad what’s happening to your country, y’all are speaking Muslim Ebonics instead of British slang. You let rape gangs take over your country. And you all know America is going to win this war, yet you will happily let a literal French cuck faggot take the lead for you guys like he’s got you by the balls and he’s going to lead you by them in the wrong direction
>>532372984>Salvaged for parts that aren’t made anymoreIf they needed spare parts Uncle Sam could just order new ones made tomorrow. The plane is obsolete though which is why nobody bothers.
This is what happens when a mong playing one dimensional checkers convinces everyone he's playing 4dchess. In fact the last time I entered America I was detained for 3 hours by non whites (Im fucking white and can actually speak English properly unlike your cops). There was fucking one white cop in the whole facility. That is a perfect example of how cooked your nation is. The only good thing in America is tax avoidance that's the only use I can think of in my mind for America now.
>>532372826Should’ve spent more on your military-industrial complex R&D, and economies of scale
>>532368687The A-10 was always, to me, a unit you brought in for a single purpose, not something that was meant to compete. Like how you don't really need a certain tool, until you need it. That gun can clear acres of terrain in seconds or a very hardned area and then it's done, fly back, smoke cigar.
>>532373217Yes we have no armaments, that's why your orange n word president begging us to help him in his war for the Jews with our non existent munitions.
>>532368781Its a good question. Who, besides their parents, cares?
>>532372718Good point.Purchasing this ammunition would be impossible.However, an enterprising enthusiast with the means to actually purchase one of these titans might also have the means to actually fabricate the ammunition from scratch.Think a really big reloading bench.Not impossible. The casings and projectiles (they really necessarily don't have to be high end specialized AP with tungsten cores or anything, could just be solid steel TP) could be relatively easy, but the primer would prove tricky. IDK what kind of propellant they use and that information seems to be restricted, it's probably finicky.You wouldn't be able to make very many, but this would allow you to actually fire the weapon for a brief moment. Which I'd imagine would get them very excited.
>>532373475That's what will inevitably happen. Better it is used in Europe than going to Israel and America
>>532368687i knew it was over after purchasing the module and joiniung an mp pve server and realizing that piece of shit goes 250kts and takes forever to get anywhere
>>532372872You're just fucking wrong.Our shipyards are basically relics at this point. There is also an enormous lack of the skilled labor necessary.You wouldn't understand.The *maintenance* backlogs are extremely serious alone.To say nothing of being able to actually produce new ships, say icebreakers.
Globalism is basically dead. NATO-fags are in for a rude awakening. It's a new era of empire and protectionism.USA is going to become a pirate nation that strikes down the competition so we're the biggest best oil exporter. America first baby.
Wait a second didn't I see the very exact same posts when that AWACs thing was downed?
I don't even know why anyone would want to buy your old shit now it's proven Iran fucks them so easily when they are mid tier country ffs
>>532374064AWACS is a much more important plane and we only have 15. Iran got us good with that one.
>>532373690Trump told you to turn your lousy one aircraft carrier having Navy around and go home, think he wants your incompetent Navy over there tripping over their shoelaces like a bunch of cack handed, ham fingered muppets?
>>532368781That's why your nation is poor. You're a group of people that runs away on wartime.
To reiterate this point, in WW2 it was still possible for auto manufacturers to revamp their assembly to build lots and lots of planes. These planes were designed around machines themselves designed originally to make cars.Currently, domestic auto manufacturing in the US is nearly dead. The geniuses who run these companies moved their factories to foreign countries like Mexico to increase their profits by reducing wages, and to even further impoverish American workers.They simply would not be able to switch over to wartime production at scale for the military. Just a single example of the absolute degradation of the American manufacturing sector.That capability, which ensured American independence and global domination in the 20th century, has been deliberately dismantled to the manifest ruin of our national security for the short term quarterly profits of finances and speculators who produce nothing at all of any real value and represent a bloodsucking leech which has crippled the nation.
>>532373966Hey there was a time after the Civil War that the Navy basically rotted and had about a $30 budget, not like that's not been the case before.
>>532374630Do you understand how long it would take to train new people and refabricate the tooling necessary to restart production at scale?This would have been something to start doing ten years ago, in Trump's first administration. Redirecting federal funds at that time would have been a good idea. At least then we would have replacement capacity now.Not now. Even if you declared yet another state of emergency and nationalized the entire economy it wouldn't be enough. It's actually physically impossible now.Now it is simply too late. People in high positions have known this for longer than a decade but did absolutely nothing. Didn't even talk about it, the legacy media is absolutely complicit in this too for not bringing the problem into sharp focus and instead distracting the American people with innane divisive bullshit day in and out. But that would involve actually paying lots of Americans real money to do important things like produce goods.Can't have that. There might be a surplus and then profits would go down.
>>532373781Exactly. I’m counting on you! (And maybe your welfare state)
>>532368956MIC would charge 10 billion plus tip to dronify old jets.
LONG LIVE ZOGLONG LIVE ISRAELDEATH TO THE NON-GOLEMDEATH TO THE GOYIM
>>532371068>are because of Chinabut I was told china sucked toowhat is going on here
>>532371867Precise and accurate analysis
>>532368687Truth is A-10 was shit from day oneIt couldn't function in missile saturated environment of hypothertical WW3 and it's gun actually kinda sucks at penning tanksIt's kinda good at terrifying poor bastards with 0 aa, but there are fewer and fewer of those and regular fighter would do a better job. Or a reaper style drone which would eb significantly cheaper>But muh survivabilityCurrent war showed that f-35s can be plenty of survivable as well and that warthhogs aren't invincible.
>>532368687Its over for 30 years lol
How much is each BRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRB of the A-10?
>>532376239probably costly. Those shits fart out bullets at 3000 rounds per minute or something obnoxiously American like that.
>>532374329Trump was begging all us Europeans like the fucking coward he is. If you hadn't gone behind our back with the Jews we might even have been willing to help I reckon. You made your bed with Israel clean up yourself or leave it. This whole thing is literally a Jewish problem. I don't want Americans dying for that, why don't you go die for Israel? You won't cause your a fucking coward too
>>532368687Nah they will end up like the B-52, M2 Browning and AK-47 lol. Used to supress anti-ZOG rebellions on Mars.
While I'm at it, the only reason we're even talking about war over Taiwan and deterrence is because yet again more techbro geniuses decided it would be a great idea to put literally all of the world's most sensitive and important semiconductor production facilities and infrastructure within spitting distance of an openly hostile foreign power who claims the island as their territory and also just happened to be handed the manufacturing capabilities and methods developed by the United States, at the expense of the United States. For the profit not of the vast majority of it's citizens, but for a vanishingly small clique of financebros located almost exclusively in coastal urban enclaves.Surely, nothing could possibly interrupt a global "just in time" supply chain with zero redundancies and threaten something as basic as food security in a nation once known for it's monumental surplus of production.Instead of producing them domestically, investing in their own nation, like any sane and patriotic person would have advocated for and actually done.But globalists are neither sane, nor patriotic. They care about nothing more than profits, and most actively despise the little people, like those in the rust belt.They would rather take advantage of thirdie sweatshops and "free trade" agreements than enable their "fellow" citizens produce anything of real quality. Planned obsolescence is better for profits. American tools used to be among the best and most predominant in the world, well known for their quality of manufacture. Not anymore, and not for a long time now. Made in the USA is basically nothing more than a memory now, to be forgotten about, and that was by design.Nobody wants to say it, because the truth hurts.But the longer powerful people with the ability to actually change things keep their heads buried in the sand and listen to the sycophants and liars telling them everything is fine, the more inevitable total systems collapse becomes.
>>532368781A10 is a highly survivable aircraft. The problem is there’s nowhere safe for the pilots to eject over in some of these missions. A10s should have been employed earlier to guard our bases from drones.
>>532377484Yeah but I feel like the goal isn't to defend anything in the middle east. I think the real goal is for the middle east to be completely destabilized so the wealth of oil exporting shifts to the American Technate. Russia will also be a huge beneficiary of this strategy so they probably won't be too mad about it as long as we fuck off from Ukraine too.
>>532377639Long-term planning and conspiracies are actually not how the world works. Our leaders are imbeciles blindly stumbling into plots conceived by the devil. True facts. This is level 10 knowing. Level 5 is thinking there’s some shadowy room where this all gets decided. That’s where you are. You’ll see soon.
>>532374329Also(you mong) we didn't have our assets their to get involved to begin with. We are using our assets to defend our allies in the region who had nothing to do with your Jewish war. Abraham Lincoln did not end slavery in America you are now entirely zogged and alone.
>>532374329as opposed to the American carrier that is having a "laundry fire"(lmao)or the one that is hiding 700 miles away?
>>532378173In a post on Truth Social, Trump said: "The United Kingdom, our once Great Ally, maybe the Greatest of them all, is finally giving serious thought to sending two aircraft carriers to the Middle East."He added: "That's OK, Prime Minister Starmer, we don't need them any longer - But we will remember. We don't need people that join Wars after we've already won!"https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c39w2nj1rk8oThat was a month ago
>>532371626cool, at current rates there won't be any aircraft left in the airforce in about 2-3 years
>>532368687I thought congress extended them for a while
>>532368687Attack aircraft had their prime time and there were 3 generations of them , this weapon type (not just that plane) is outdated indeed, its from cold war era
>>532379134Aiyy, nobody was still using propeller-driven bomber planes in the 1980s either.
>>532368687it can compete with robot warfare if we make an a10 drone
>>532375171Every war the US fought excepting WW2 was sloppily handled and not well prepared for. In WW1 most soldiers were transported to France on British or French troop ships and were armed with British or French weapons.
>>532368687It's design was heavily influenced by Hans-Ulrich Rudel, a German WW2 pilot that destroyed an ungodly amount of soviet tanks.
>>5323789912-3 years is a pretty long time, I’d have to assume more would be built between now and then. There would be nothing left of Iran and no one left who knows how to fix their bridges. At that point it will be a little too late for them to say please Mr. Trump our shithole terrorist country only has ONE dogshit awful golf course, please we just want to play golf and be a part of the world with the rest of the regular folks. Build a Trump golf course in Iran. I’d bet Trump would make a deal that includes a World class golf course so the future generations of Iranians can enjoy the game we all love but not without an Unconditional surrender by Iran
This may be my most successful thread. Usually these things die pretty quick. I guess I struck a nerve with this one.
Cant we just sell these things to the Ukraine or other African 3rd world countries like the Ukraine?
>>532379732lol African warlords doing attack runs on their rivals with A10 warthogs would be kind of epic.
>>532378782We are sending our carriers to defend our allies (actually technically your allies too but you are busy getting spit roasted between Israel and Iran), it was never a move to aide the united states, that idea is just a dementia boomer hallucination you guys are having, like the ceasefire and negotiation hallucinations trump has been having. Maybe we all hallucinated that he ever begged Europe like a bitch to help him. But alas no... He did and you are simply shizophrenic.
A-10s are a cool plane that has zero place on a modern battlefield, at least for CAS. No, fuck that. They're also poor as forward observers compared to drones.The only people who keep trying to keep this plane around are enthusiasts/fans, former A-10 pilots, contractors/politicians from states who benefit from maintaining/parts, and people who have zero clue of the modern battlefield.It's like people who didn't want to let go of the classic battleship. I'd prefer a MQ-9 drone for loiter time, or an AH-64 for combat load.
Europeans are going to have a much more negative view of what Trump is doing because most of the oil that Europe gets is coming from the middle east. They will have to buy it from Russia and it won't be cheap, after they saber rattled about Ukraine so much.
Are the pilots "use it or lose it" too?
>>532380063You sound risk averse, but war is always risky. Everyone in war is at risk all the time. Pilots are paid to take that risk.
>>532380019So you must have a better option for CAS in mind, right?
>>532368687>it's 'use it or lose itso are the pilotsin fact, you can do both!
>>532380109>You sound risk averse, but war is always risky. Everyone in war is at risk all the time. Pilots are paid to take that risk.Helmut von Moltke famously said "No battle plan ever survives first contact with the enemy."
>>532379797They'd never be able to operate them.
>>532379882>we are sending our carriersBoth of the two your country has in their whole fleet? I think Argentina should make a move on taking back the Falklands, everyone knows you guys would be incapable of summoning the naval power needed to stop them
>>532368956That was done with b17s in ww2
>>532372771Worse. It was designed as a suicide bomber: unleash hell on a soviet armor column, before the inevitable destruction.It was obsolete day one against standard armies, but many pretend it’s the best plane ever because it was used against defenseless third worlders for decades.This plane has also one of the highest rates of friendly fire AND collateral damage, because, well, its gun tends to spray shells everywhere…It’s a meme, that’s why no army with a limited budget and having to stay accountable wants it (AKA no one but the US). But popular among retards because “hurrdurr big gun go brrrrr”.A 40k ork weapon, basically.
>>532379554In fact, Rudel is the soldier who has the highest killcount of military targets in history. It includes also 2 cruisers and a battleship, 6 air victories (in a Stuka….), tanks, artillery, barges, trucks,…The guy was basically an anomaly. He lost a leg, after a flak shell went through it…then resumed flying. He saved at least 12 downed pilots, and finished his life as a military advisor is South America.The problem is that all this was his work, not the plane design.By the end of ww2, the best CAS were the amazing us fighters, like corsairs and “cats” type, fast, tough, and literal bomb/rocket trucks.
>>532368843It was designed to shred t72s and the like in the fulda gap. Even back then AA was a threat. We were just more willing to trade lives and equipment during war.
>>532370218>channels all the natural aggressive tendencies of the criminal, into waging war on enemiesundisciplined violent self centered retards do not make for good soldiersmuch the oppositedespite the gangland LARPing, they are not soldiers and do not fight wars
>>532368687They're one of the only effective assets over Hormuz, OP you shill
>>532369879>mullato>that flagKek
>>532380153None. Do you have a type of archer in mind ? A type of line battleship? Cavalry maybe?At some point, as tech evolves, some type of units become obsolete. Currently, in Ukraine, both sides rely on drones and artillery to support infantry. Russkies now keep their su25 and helos at a distance, unless everything is confirmed safe. It not, and they absolutely need a AS, they send SU34, and despite the qualities of this plane, they lost a number of them.A10 life time would be measured in minutes, at best.
>>532376239Each round of ammo costs ~$136 each for the depleted uranium API, ~$53 for non-incendiary training ammo. Their cannons are currently set to fire at 3900 rounds per minute, or 65 rounds per second.So a one second BRRRRT would cost about $3,445 if using training ammo or $8,840 for the good stuff.
>>532378991>at current rates there won't be any aircraft left in the airforce in about 2-3 yearsThe USAF has about 5,500 aircraft. Even if they lost 2x per day every day, and didn't bother to build any replacements, it would still take 8 years to destroy all of them. And that's just the Air Force. The other branches have another ~7500 aircraft.
>>532378991There isn’t much left of Iran, stupid. We’ve flown 13k missions since the war began, but you faggots cope talking about a few planes, designed in the 60s and 70s, having been shot down. It’s embarrassing.
>>532374514>on wartime
>>532383323It's funny you should mention cavalry.Horses are actually underrated.Anyways drones and artillery don't do what CAS does. It is that simple, you're arguing that an operational gap is the future.>both sidesThe Ukraine war is a depopulation campaign. The frontlines don't actually move because the real reason for the fighting is really just to kill truckloads of Slavs.
>>532383978>There isn’t much left of Iran, stupid. We’ve flown 13k missions since the war began, but you faggots cope talkingCoping is all shitskins have.
>>532368687>THE A-10 GUN IS THE FIST OF GOD
>>532368781well you're not gonna be able to retrain those pilots to other military planes
>>532383800Correct. The US has the 3 first air forces in the world (USAF, US Navy, Marines corp).But, unlike a video game, they age, require maintenance, and replacement. Call me a doomed, but i am highly sceptical about the F35 replacing the “teen” series kings (16,15,18). We also know that the f22 was a (carefully hidden and PRed) disaster and that the plane is useless.So, once the “teen” kings retire, and they will, like b52, b1 and other decades old platforms, what take their place? I see no decent heir atm. Same for ships (aside carriers).
>>532368843>>532368843>only good when you're fighting an enemy that has no AA.That's what they're for, anon. When the AA has been destroyed, the A10s go in.
>>532384191You are very right about horses. Unironically, they are used in Ukraine. And motorcycle/quad light dragoon teams aswell.I don’t say CAS is useless, and helo gunships proved that again and again. I think it’s a role that can just no longer be possible. I don’t think any captain would refuse a flying armored guardian angel…but if this angel dies all the time, what is the point? Plus, now you have to find and save the pilot (who may be dead).
>>532384344You destroyed cosmetics. The fleet? Iran had barely a fleet. The tanks, troops, missiles and drones are barely scratched because they are buried, in bunkers. Having no military targets, you bomb civilians. While it’s likely the US win, the cost will be astronomical.The largest part of iran military forces are intact. Oh, and you destroyed the “navy”, except the pocket submarines… the only important thing.
>>532380693Well we won (tranny) in the Falklands against a developed nation on the other side of the planet from us very quickly (and bigly).while you guys haven't really won any conflict (you lost Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan all primitive nations) except against Iraq and during Iraq you had the help of a massive NATO coalition including Brits and even the Danes who you now threaten. I think you obese mutts wouldn't have stood a chance against Iraq without us because any illiterate goat fucker with a ww1 era rifle is like kryptonite to an American.
>>532384617Well the issue is profit. It's more profitable to spend time designing the planes of the future than actually producing them, so the corporations building the planes drag their feet. The military doesn't help with making unrealistic requests, dragging everything on with bureaucracy (although that's in coordination with the corps they go work at after retirement), and probably most importantly, not having realistic, existential goals to meet. Who cares if the F-22 is subpar if subpar is still better than the Afghani air force?Our procurement process sucks for the same reason the California high speed rail sucks; on purpose, because it lets the private companies doing the work channel infinity unaccountable government dollars into their own pockets. Couldn't do it to a real customer with finite wealth, but you can do it to government.
>>532385054>ifWell it should be the job of ground forces to neutralize or push back AA systems, just like it's the job of infantry to support armor.That's the entire idea behind combined arms.Problem is, that's not what's happening here. And it seems to me that's not what's happening in Ukraine either, where things are now limited to the small scale actions of individual units and attrition.I haven't really studied the Ukraine war that much.It's just air power, using naval assets and our system of international bases to facilitate force projection.Which means you have to use all your best weapons up and have nothing left to use in the future, unless you want to reveal the existence of some wunderwaffen you've been concealing. I don't think they would break out anything like that, in the event of a Chinese attempt on Taiwan. Which means this expenditure of conventional munitions opens an important window of opportunity for China that didn't exist before.It's really these military bases we've established worldwide which enable our unpeered force projection capabilities.So antagonizing all the countries who host these bases is another self own. These countries don't have real principles in my estimation, and will switch to China just as soon as it becomes expedient regardless of what they've done and continue to do. That's not any kind of diss you know, I don't think America actually stands for much anymore either. None of these involved parties are moral, all of them are ruining the future for their people, just some are objectively worse than others.
>>532368687>but it's not going to compete with 6th gen robot warfare.Neither is America.
>>532368781Caring about human lives is brown-coded
>>532368687The A-10 was never good, useless for its intended purpose and was nothing but a friendly fire machine during Desert Storm and the GWOT
>>532387810Fuck you. The absolute state of this board.
>>532386219Very true, i have nothing to add. I wish citizens and soldiers with actual expertise would have more power in decisions. Dont think i am a us bashed. I like american people. I am just sad to see you have the same problems, but at a larger scale. Well, the night is darker before the dawn. We will make it.>>532386800Also very true. China may exploit the situation. And the diplomatic situation is quickly degrading. Although, iirc, the most precious thing in Taiwan are the electronic factories, and they are rigged with explosives, in case of invasion. Well, gtg, time to sleep, but it’s really refreshing to read informed americans.Que Dieu vous garde o7
>>532380693You bringing up Argentina is pretty funny because we actually won that completely without American help and didn't even ask you fucking losers. in fact it was you guys who trained and armed the Argentinians and we completely fucked them and their weapon systems in 2 monthsNow you could ask me why did America do that? Why didn't America help? I honestly believe you just couldn't stand one fucking single island in the new world remaining white and European lol
>>532388080Yeah such an amazing gun, that can't destroy anything newer than early 60s MBTs. You fell for a psyop campaign devised by this retard.
>>532377830>True facts. This is level 10 knowing. Level 5 is thinking there’s some shadowy room where this all gets decided. That’s where you are. You’ll see soon.You have have no special knowledge about shit, kid
>>532389191lul
