Were the Protestant reformers spiritually Jewish?
>>532381489the whole thing is rotten. i'm a Catholic and hate to admit it, but Christianity is rotten.
>>532381635more than just Christianity... religious thinking is rotten
OY VEY!!!!!!!
>>532381489Yes and a lot of them would proudly tell you so themselves.
all abrahamic faiths are
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Meanwhile, in reality.
>>532381489>worships a jew >somehow this makes them think they’re not spiritually jewish I’m glad they’re trying to destroy the world
>>532381489Universalism in all its forms is inherently Jewish
>>532381489Yes. Pic very much related. Everything else is cope.
>>532382614>>532382668Why do Protestants worship Israel then?
>>532382668All Protestant churches denounce this and they have for a long time, including the Lutheran church itself. That's right the Lutheran church denounces a book by Luther. That's where we are at now. Though it's not like the Catholic church is any less submissive these days.
>>532381489I believe that Martin Luther is exactly like Jesus.In the sense that while he and his message were pure and good, almost every single one of his followers and disciples were pure evil Machiavellian schemers who twisted and perverted his message for their own personal aggrandizement and not one of them was a "Christian" in any sense except self-professed.I believe 99% of "Christians" will be going straight to Hell and most other religions have a much better ratio of salvation because Christianity is the one true faith and people who pervert and subvert it are playing with fucking fire. I'm a Christian.
>>532383106Heretical JUDEO-christians are not Protestants.
>>532381489Actually, concerning Jews, Hitler was quite modest compared to Martin Luther.
>>532381489Retard never read "95 theses" or "On the Jews and Their lies"
>>532381489Monasteries in England were an absolute scam, many monasteries only had a dozen monks and thousands of acres of land. Plus the Pope was fucking with foreign policy for the benefit of his French and Spanish captors. Keep in mind that no Jews were allowed back into England until 1656 when Cromwell cancelled Christmas and made everything insane.
>>532383106This is some weird Anglo-Zionism, not protestantism. I guess it was born as British Israelism and took over USA a little later, in a much more insane form.
>>532384005Cromwell never re-admitted the jews. It was a lie spread by jews in the late 1800s to try to get the English not to be opposed to giving refuge to Eastern European jews that were getting pogrommed.
>>532384005>many monasteries only had a dozen monks and thousands of acres of landYes that's the point. A small religious community overseeing a large estate. The best landlords the peasantry could ask for. Cisterians were some of the best land managers of the Middle Ages.>Plus the Pope was fucking with foreign policy for the benefit of his French and Spanish captors.Please cite a concrete example.
>>532384211>not real protestantism only denomination #15 through 26
>>532384211It's related to the Credo-Baptist covenant theology. Entirely separate even from Anglicanism/Lutheranism and non-Credo Reformed traditions. Because they don't view Baptism as replacing circumcision they view there as being a still valid covenant between God and the Jews. It's baked into all Credo-Baptist theology, even the Amish, Pietist Lutheran schizos, and "Reformed" Baptist groups. The Credo-Baptist position requires Zionism on a foundational level to the same extent that Catholicism requires transubstantiation, the magisterium and Purgatory.
>>532384211And British israelism became Christian identity over time in America, it is quite weird they don't understand their own roots being zionist
>>532384542Pope Clement VII Was literally a hostage of Charles V. The rest of your post is bullshit and I am not responding to you anymore unless you make a serious non-idiotic post.>>532384539There are English language primary sources and a synagogue from around that time in London. I really don't understand your point. Many of the individuals who convinced Cromwell to admit them were credo-baptists or Quakers and they did it under the belief it would cause a Messiah. Essentially early dispensationalism.
>>532381489Usury was already legalized before protestants even existed.
>>532381489You mean they stopped the mass burning of Christians by catholics and legalized the printing of the bible in english. There, fixed it for you.
>>532385446I asked for an example that "the Pope was fucking with foreign policy for the benefit of his French and Spanish captors." Instead you rage quit.>The rest of your post is bullshit The rest of my post is based on historical research. Why does it make you mad? Because it goes against the vibe history you constructed in your head?
>>532385446If I remember right some jews came over for a discussion but they were not allowed to legally settle. Cromwell briefly considered re-admitting them and it sparked a pamphlet war that the anti-jewish side decisively won to the point that Cromwell dropped all legislation.Upon his restoration Charles II brought some jews back from the continent and various groups demanded they were removed. Charles ignored them but the law did not change.It wasn't until the late 1800s that they were legally allowed here.They probably actually never left though. We know John of Gaunt (father of Henry IV) had a jewess for a mistress, and he was the great grandson of Edward I (of the edict of Expulsion). So they probably never left. As said though, Cromwell did not re-admit them. Its a myth and a lie that has been repeated so many times that people believe it.
>>532385691UK only allowed Christian bankers between 1290 and 1656. Worked perfectly fine for them.
All jews are self-hating jews. We're just self-hating (adopted) jews with a Christ complex, brother.Every church I've tried (I tried a lot) left me thinking in the middle of the service that the priest looked and sounded like a rabbi. (and most of them are rabidly pro-israel)
>>532385853Whoa, next you’re gonna be telling me about the holocaust and other awesome totally true things you learned in public school
>>532383442>most other religions have a much better ratio of salvationNo. Because all other religions reject Christ as God in the flesh.>I'm a Christian.Then why condone and minimize false faiths?
Yes they wanted to get back to a "pure" reading of the old testament without any of the centuries of Catholic reinterpretation and commentary, which meant essentially larping as ancient Israelites, or at least the fairy tale version of them depicted in the bible. Calvinists especially saw themselves as the chosen elite (read jews) while all non-Calvinists were not chosen and never could be as choseness was pre-destined.
>>532386003You cited a book about the 11th century for subject matter that occurred in the 16th century.>>532386047It's all in a haze but it was clearly a scheme of the city of London itself. Not surprising when you think about it.
>>532386047Sorry for the double post but there is a 1701 purpose built synagogue in London so it clearly was legal by then. And a Jew got a broker's license in 1663 that notes he's a Jew.
>>532383106There are many protestant branches. Anglicanism is just heresy, King Henry wanted to divorce his wife and that's the only reason that he split from the roman catholic church. Lutheranism was the democratization of Christianity by translating of the bible from Latin and the abolishment of selling of indulgences that the catholics practiced. I can't even tell what kinf of bastard your protestant branches are.
>>532386525>Still no example>You cited a book about the 11th century for subject matter that occurred in the 16th century.Please explain how English monasticism has devolved into a scam during that period. I'll wait.
>>532386525The city of London were opposed to the jews back then. It was the merchants guild of London who were one of the groups petitioning Charles II (so after Cromwell) to uphold English law and remove the jews he had brought back with him after his restoration.Not sure what happened after that though. By 1920, the entirety of parliament (literally 100%) were Freemasons. I imagine there was a whole covert war waged that none of us are privy to.The fact remains Cromwell did not re-admit the jews. The myth must be dispelled.
Any and all institutionalized religion is rotten. Religion should have no place in politics. It's spiritual, not monetary. Not material. A couple holidays here and there is all you need.
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>>532381489Yes many on the mayflower were jewshttps://ijhss.thebrpi.org/journals/Vol_8_No_9_September_2018/1.pdf
>>532386698Why shitting all over anglicanism? Didn't luther say polygamy was probably alright?
>>532381489Yes, we are the true Jews. The true Israel.>For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.Romans 2:28-29
>>532386889every brain child that was born in your country is a piece of shit simple as>>532386805jewish bogus, if you don't have a strong spiritual foundation the jews will infiltrate your state.
>>532386506That's not what Calvinists believe. Calvinists literally believe there are Catholics and Eastern Orthodox who were pre-destined and are the elect. Especially prior to the council of Trent and the confession of Dositheus. A predestined elect is literally just Ephesians 1:4.>According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
>>532386767Because you can look at records from the time period where they note X many monks present during the dissolution and you can look at records from 200 years earlier seeing Y was X*5 monks at the same abby? The amount of potato nigger cope about this is just comical. How are massive religious institutions that don't have any staff, don't provide medical services or alms like they allegedly did, and took up double digits percentage of the land useful in any way shape or form? Most of the larger buildings had already collapsed by the time of the dissolution as noted in the records, you are free to peruse, which reflect the disappointment of the commissioners at finding mostly broke institutions with dilapidated buildings.
>>532386222Documented facts dude, read some fucking history.
>>5323868891 Timothy 3:2 directly implies polygamy is ok, as it specifies that a requirement of Bishops be that they only have one wife at a time, meaning that it's merely an extra commitment to just have one wife. But it's probably just Catholic seethe, as they are perpetually mad at Anglicanism, probably because of insecurity, as the Pope is generally warmer to Anglicanism than even Eastern Orthodoxy.
>>532383106>>532383106>Why do Protestants worship Israel then?Because this piece of dog shit book supplanted Luther's.
>>532387174There are lots of "Calvinist" and "Reformed" Christian organizations and theologians in the US who don't actually hold Calvinist or Reformed theological positions, it's just a different theme of dispensationalism. All you have to do is see if they Baptize infants. In the US all Christian groups who don't Baptize infants are some form of Zionist. Even tge Black Christians and even the allegedly antisemitic branches. It all comes from their covenant theology and they are all benches of the same pro-Jew groups from 1600s England, even the ones that claim to have Lutheran origins.
>>532387202An average monastic community in the Middle Ages hardly had more than 20 monks or nuns anon, and still ran large hospices for the sick and travelers. The land itself was managed entirely by the abbot and his chamberlain. You're trying to make an argument based on what you subjectively consider to be small numbers but are obviously out of your depth here.
>>532387777Traditionally Calvinists (often Westminster confession) and Reformed/Particular Baptists (London 1689 baptist confession) hold to Covenant Theology which is opposed to Dispensationalism.Some Non-Denominations with confused theology today might hold to some Calvinist ideas and Dispensationalism; but your typical Reformed church will reject Dispensationalism as a dangerous heresy. You clearly don't really know what you are talking about.
>>532381489I kinda feel like this guy is leaving something out. Maybe this luther guy just wanted people to work more, so they could becone richer and thus have better, more secure, lives? Like, just look at all those homeless bums out there, they could certainly make do with a couple of less holidays, couldn't they?
>>532387945>Angry potato nigger soundsGlastonbury Had like 60 odd monks in the high middle ages. Had like 7 in the 16th century. Nope. Just a tiresome argument I have heard a million times. Come up with a new cope.
>>532381635Roman Catholicism is rotten
>>532388203>Traditionally Calvinists hold to Covenant Theology which is opposed to DispensationalismDid you read my post? That's exactly what I said. But for some reason the US doesn't work that way and all Credos are dispensationalists.
>>532388567>its just a different theme of dispensationalismCovenant theology is what the jews called 'replacement theology' and holds that God had planned from the beginning to save the whole world through Christ; and that it is always by faith that we are saved.Dispensationalism holds that God had lots of different plans, that different people are saved in different ways, that this 'dispensation of grace' (the age of the church) is an aberration and a punishment to the jews and that God will 'go back' to only caring about the jews later, which is why dispensationalists are zionists and think jews are special; while Covenant theology tells us they are the children of the devil and the synagogue of satan.
>>532387174>>532388203>>532388929Well said.
>>532388929Ok, but Credos in the US never believe in Chapter 19 Paragraph 4 of the London confession. They don't think the laws expired. So stuff that applies outside the US for understanding them doesn't apply because they are a thing onto themselves.
>>532388436>Glastonbury Had like 60 odd monks in the high middle ages.You just pulled that number out of your ass while I'm referring to the average of nearly 900 monasteries across all of England. I can see how you have to argue like someone who dropped out of community college to make a point.
>>532389127You do not speak for anyone but yourself.
>>532381489>Were the Protestant reformers spiritually Jewish?That's the whole point.Protestantism was always about throwing off the yoke of Rome, and returning to the original faith of an Israelite.
>>532389281>angry potato soundsWhy do you always sound so smug? I agree Vatican II was a mistake as lay Catholics shouldn't be allowed to comment on matters related to theology, even those merely related to church history. We know from the Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and Ireland that Glastonbury had about 80 odd friars before the black death and 45ish after.>>532389609Ok. But I am describing what's called reality.
>>532389814>what (You) call realityFTFY
>>532389726Total bs, luther hated the jews and openly railed hard against them in his later years. His last sermon was so hardcore, that it would have made hitler blush and think that he went too far. Not luther's fault that his flock of sheep are literal dumbass fucking retarded sheep..
>>532389940You really think most credos in America aren't Zionists Mr. Pleb spacing?
>>532388929Dispensationalism just means that history runs through phases. It has pagan analogues like "Age of Aquarius", etc.God is teaching man through incremental steps why eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden.
>>532389960Jews aren't Israelites...
>>532390157but Israelites are Jews, you braindead retard
>>532389726I think it was more about getting back to what they believed Jesus was preaching, and they drew an understandable analogy from the Pharisees to the Pope.
>>532389814Holy deflection batman. Btw, turns out Glastonbury "numbered consistently over 50 monks until the Dissolution and was still recruiting in the later 1530s" according to pic related. Literal self-own by your own example. Just take the L mate, history is obviously not your strong suit.
>>532390250Yeah, but the Pope symbolizes Rome. A distraction from the original faith.>>532390243Yes. You're the braindead one kid. If someone tells you they are a saint, do you believe them?
>>532381489>Church holidaysUsed almost exclusively to squeeze laypeople out of more tithes and donations, promising extra time off of purgatory for alms and tithes. Indulgences in all but name.>UsuryDidn't happen. >Close down monasteries Again, indulgences in all but name. Come work at the churches plantation and you'll be more holy than the plebs.
>>532390101Hebrews 10 and Romans 4 teaches it was always faith. The blood of goats and oxen does not do anything; it is significant because it points to Christ, and it is the offering of Christ what saves.
>>532390157I know, but luther hated all of them. In whichever form they came in. Whether they were neanderkikes or semites, that didn't matter to him.
>>532390629You're right. The collapse of the WASPs can be directly attributed to them losing the faith that they are Israelites.That however doesn't change that history goes through phases and that each phase has a "lesson" with a beginning and an end.
>>532390893Yes, history goes through phases. But God remains the same. Yesterday, today, and forever. This is the problem with dispensationalists.
>>532381489It is the wrong question to ask, because the current so-called Jews aren't actually Jewish. The Zionist Prots are basically equivalent to the fake jews of today tho and part of their One World Religion.
Dispensationalists are retards. Show me some church fathers who ever mentioned a rapture. Show me some thinkers of the first five centuries that ever advocated any kind of return to Israel for the neo-Jews to rebuild their temple. Dispensationalism is not found in the scriptures, it is not found in the fathers, it is new and novel and evil.
>>532381489>Were the Protestant reformers spiritually Jewish?all christians are spiritually jewish, it's in the bible - the part where christfags avoid having to circumcise themselves by claiming they are jewish in the heart and spiritually.>"a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the spirit"surely you've read your own bible? the one where the jew that you revere says in no unclear terms that he's come to enforce the torah, betwixt attending synagogue and celebrating multiple jewish festivals. if you really don't want to be jewish at all, you could try this one simple trick: don't worship any sort of jew.
>>532391340Amen.
>>532382668>>532383106>>532382614Luther wasn't a protestant, dumbass.
>>532390367Maybe Gasquet, The Great Pestilence, 85; Cler. Subs. bdle. 4, no. 2. is more accessible to you? Says 45 Monk post plague.
>>532391909>new cope dropped
>>532391964Exactly, and you're losing the plot.>Because you can look at records from the time period where they note X many monks present during the dissolution and you can look at records from 200 years earlier seeing Y was X*5 monks at the same abby?During the dissolution there were about 50 monks at Glastonbury and still recruiting. 200 years before that there were about 50 monks at Glastonbury, only down from an estimated 80 due to the recent Black Plague. Literally nothing to do with what you're trying to argue about monasteries becoming empty scams. Even funnier that you had to pick the second most prominent abbey of England hoping for a drastic contrast in number that wasn't there, when we're talking about the 625 monasteries that were shut down and had always been much smaller in size.
>>532391340now read the book of revelation. 144,000 of the best and most obedient lamb following jews specifically organised in to particular numbers from each of the 12 tribes will be housed with the lord on earth for 10,000 years, in a solid gold and gemstone encrusted copy of jerusalem, the measurements of which are provided by an angel with a golden measuring rod, which descends from the heavens in to israel, replete with clean running water. jews, israel, 10,000 years, gold, everyone else trapped outside miserable, check.kikes are jew pro maxchristfags are jew lightonly pro max jews with authentic jew dna get in to the solid gold and gemstone encrusted city of jerusalem promised in the new testament, sorryread the smallprint next timeyou are on the outside, being stung by locusts with scorpions tail, men's beards, fine women's hair and solid gold crowns. all right there, black and white, new testament, 21 pages, have a read.
>>532392210>heretic thinks he is qualified to educate anyone on Revelation
>>532381489Yes but so were the Catholics. In fact, even Jesus himself was jewish.
>>532387777Quads of truth.Never attribute a heresy to Luther when it belongs to the ilk of Calvin, Zwingli, and their spiritual offspring.
>>532381635>>532381698
>>532392131I am seeing fewer than two dozen in the records. Google gemini spits out your 40 number tho.
>>532393291From "Two Glastonbury Legends" by J. A. Robinson p. 97. Point being that those monasteries were still very much alive in the 16th century, even if not comparable to their peak in the Middle Ages. They continued to serve as monastic schools and hospices and shutting them all down to raise money for troops is just lamentable. Cheers.
>>532381489One realizes that Protestantism is corrupt like Catholicism, but Luther is a different case because all his criticisms of the church make sense if you consider that the pope in his time is a medici, aka the most infamous jewish family in Italy and in history.
>>532381635Christian people are rotten. Not Christianity itself.If Christianity were rotten it wouldn’t have any beauty or majesty like it did in the Middle Ages.Maybe a pagan Middle Ages would have been better, but a Christian Middle Ages as we had was beautiful and thinking back on Christian morality in a world of knights and ladies makes me think very few things could surpass that world.
>>532394305That's literally a paper showing the opposite of your point and that the areas experienced increased agricultural output following it...
>>532386047Suasso paid for William IIIs expedition to England, his army and fleet were paid for. Suasso had one demand of William III which was to bring in Suasso and his associates into England’s financial sector.This is how jews got back into England.People don’t know this because it’s not written in any narrative. I had to piece it together from different sources.But it was literally a Jewish paid mercenary army from holland that had to fight a battle to get Jews back into England.
>>532393006Protestant is too broad a definition. Luther was basically a German Catholic sperging out on organizational efficiency and logical disagreements about policy. Which is a very German thing to do.
>>532387306>the holocaust happened guys! Just read some fucking history!No wonder Protestants all worship Israel. They believe the bullshit that the Judeo-Protestant sect has been shoveling down their throats since birth
>>532396009Wait my error. An economist called J.A. Robinson wrote a paper in the 2000s on that, you are talking about a 1920s J. Armitage Robinson book. Got it. Yeah I don't think that book is accurate as it differs from the primary sources and the current scholarship. Classic Romecuck. Got back to memorizing Chesterton.
>>532381635>>532381698You sound like a kike or an indian.>religious thinking is rottenIn what way? All religious thinking? Even non-Abrahamic religions?
>>532381489Christianity is literally a Jewish sect; they're all spiritually Jewish.
>>532387777Speaking facts
>>532389960The reality is that the Jewish political elites were opportunists who took advantage of the division Luther caused to usher in an era of Zionism
>>532396009Just how far are you gonna keep moving those goal posts mate? You went from calling them empty and scammy to "actually agricultural output of the areas went up". Talk about a precise counterpoint. Give me a link to the paper so I can judge for myself.
>>532396322>>532397171Sry just saw your rep. The book is citing a primary source afaik, with actual names of monks. That's as good of a record we have of the congregation in the 16th cent.
>>532381489I dont think martin luther was but the prots that came after him 100% yes. they handed so much power to jews
>>532397313Citing, but in conflict with it...
>>532381489they had absolutely valid complaints, but their solutions were retarded
>>532397681Just to show my work, it's that 47 monks voted for the last Abbott (Richard Whiting) in 1525, England went protestant between then and 1539, and recorded monasteries declined 50-70% in headcount following the CoE being created based on actual rolls, but we don't have one for Glastonbury, just pension counts that are like 7, which is too low. So just cutting it in half like everywhere else. So what's your favorite essay of Chesterton?
>>532381489Over the centuries, writers, philosophers and church-doctors tried to inject patches of Greco-Roman philosophy over what otherwise was an schizo mix-up of Iron Age semitic fairy tales and the ramblings of a bunch of 1st Century jews trying to rationalize the death of their cult-leader into jewish prophecy and neoplatonism. That’s how the Church tradition came up to be; to make sense out on some senseless mishmash of semitic fever dreams and apply it to European culture.The reformation made away with all that, and without tradition to understand and explain scripture, all and every charlatan, crank and schizo could make up his own interpretation of the Bible and his own doctrine, because going down to the basic text meant that anyone could make anything out of them and ignore all the contradictions in favor of their own new theology.
>>532398148Sorry I have no idea what you're trying to say other than that they were indeed about 50 monks at Glastonbury prior to dissolution.
>>532396073Interesting. My findings were just that it was not Cromwell despite that being the presumption of many.
>>532381489the whole point of Protestantism was to basically rules-lawyer their way out of doing good things for others and, instead, simply repeatedly read & preach the Bible, and eventually God will pick you over others because you did the goodest of readings and mostest of prayings.Never mind that the Bible has numerous passages indicating that you should do good & right to & by those you believe are good & right, and that simply preaching & proselytizing means nothing if you cannot also act in ways befitting of your beliefs; just keep up with reading the scripture and you win! Also, via Protestantism, you can just make your own little denomination with whatever rules you want; as long as you read the Good Book, the world is your oyster.You can definitely make arguments that Catholicism got jewed first by trading forgiveness for philanthropy, but Protestants took it to the next level, and essentially collectivized Christianity. This is why most, if not all, other sects of Christianity shit on Protestants to the same level of Mormons. They are the retarded art hippies of Christianity who didn't want to be good neighbors, which is as jewish as you can get.
>>532381489Wasn't the first Protestant one of the biggest anti semites of his era, as the Catholic Church had soent hundreds of years blowing kike dick?
>>532393006Zwingli was pretty nice, based, and relaxed though.
Didnt a gay jew literally infiltrate the catholic church and wrote a document declared infallible by the pope that said that jews actually have no responsibility when it comes to the Crucifixion?
>>532398627There were 47 monks in 1525. England became Protestant a decade later and most monks quit. We are talking about 1539-1540 not 1525.
>>532398884It's very interesting. You two shed some interesting light on something I had never ever thought about on the JQ.
>>532381489>John Calvin enters the chat
>>532399759You know that globally speaking, the majority of all protestants are Methodist/Anglican or Pentecostal and that those traditions all essentially believe that you do good works because of faith, or in faith and works, so Sola Fide is really just limited to American and European Protestantism, but like 1/3 of those are of the aforementioned three...
>>532383106American Protestants are their own thing.Basis for Protestantism is why you have bibles outside of Latin
>>532381489catholics had a literal dynasty of banker popes you fucking retard
>>532381489Catholic nigger lovers are actually jewish
