>passed through the Van Allen beltsB-but the /pol/ said the moon landing was fake because radiation would kill everyone!!
>>532438491The mission is as fake now as it was then.
>>532438793This one is real. It's happening in order to legitimize the apollo missions which were 50% likely to be faked.Make no mistake, you can be a stubborn faggot your entire life but the earth is a sphere, all globe models make predictions with perfect accuracy.One more time, in case you don't get how fucked your beliefs are: all globe models make predictions with perfect accuracy. Flat earth models are incoherent and lack any predictive capability, and are thus useless and false.
>>532438491>said the moon landing was fake because radiation would kill everyone!!yeah well, anyone who says that is lying.
>>532438491>passed through the Van Allen beltsNext stage they will be passing around Ur Mom's belt.Will be a first for cismanity.>a small step for Ma'am>but a giant odyssey for manhood
>>532438491Why are these goddamn niggers not filming anything?
>>532438491It's definitely fake.
>>532438793Since we know it's exact location you should be able to get a telescope and find them shouldn't you?
>>532438491>/pol/ said/pol/ is a board, not a person.
>>532440187Kill yourself you mouth breathing retard. But before that go and read some books so you learn something of value before you die.
>>532439603The flat earth theory is different from the moon landing hoax theory.
>/pol/ saidDon't tar us all with the same brush, faggot. We're not all that dumb.
>>532440121>niggersYou says it. All black up in da infinite hood. Gotta wait for the bodycam footage and bail hearing stream.
>>532440285poorfag
>>532439603The globe model doesn’t apparently accurately predict how far I should be able to see or what objects should be fully out of view due to the horizon, but tell us more oh wise one
>>532439603Apollo was likely real too. Soviet data showed they were tracking the Americans pretty accurately and never cried foul.
>>532440302but the quality of evidence and argument is exactly the same.
>>532440605the russians even had their own probe in orbit around the moon at the same time as when apollo 11 was on the surface. i always find that kind of crazy. the russians even managed to crash land the thing within a couple 100km of tranquility base before they lifted off.
>>532440608>evidenceThere's evidence for flat earth and no moon landing?Also here, for that other anon:>>532440285Even your fellow redditards can detect it with shit tier hardware.https://www.reddit.com/r/astrophotography/comments/1sczbzm/artemis_ii_on_its_way_to_the_moon_photographed/>b-but muh pixelsAs I said: poorfag. Get a real telescope then.
>>532440752>within a couple 100kmDecent accuracy at that range, but a couple hundred kilometers too inaccurate. Shame.
>>532438793>The mission is as fake now as it was then.What tipped you off, the modern pajeet technology of broken sanitation?
>>532440783no, im saying that the way flat earthers argue and the ignorance of things they display is the same as moonhoaxer stuff. its all the same.
>>532438793no fucking way is this not real you're a fucking schizo take you meds newfag
shills, always posting this silly thing about the jeet moon lander, over and over again.thats bait
>>532438491There's the Van Allen clincher. Apollo is back on the table for serious discussion again. I stand corrected.
>>532440906If it's supposed to be fake they could at least let the rocket explode.Reminds me.. next Starship explosion-I mean launch was supposed to be this month?>delayed until Mayyawn
>>532438491>/pol/ saidYes. We have so many scientists here
>>532441001Not that this would be strictly impossible. Human skin can withstand the vacuum, and vacuum is an insulator, meaning it's not strictly cold in terms of human experience. In fact it can get way too hot if you're out in the sun.Main difficulty is ensuring a tight seal around the waist.tl;dr that video is poorecisely what will happen once the Science has advanced that fart
>>532440187Telescopes aren't real. Have you ever seen one outside of photographs?
>>532441474ive seen some but everyone knows about the implanted nasa chips placed into each one.
>>532438793fpbp
>>532438491this one must be made of better quality tinfoil
>>532441625a fucking dot
>>532441474Worse still, optics as a whole isn't real and neither are photons. You're just imagining things.
>>532441773What do you even know about tin foil quality standards? Are you a tin foil engineer?And no, making tinfoil hats doesn't count; that's millinery.
>STOP TRYING TO LEAVE MOTHER EARTH>ALL COME THROUGH THE VAGINA>STOP GOING TO THE MOON>STOP TRYING TO GO TO MARS>STAY HERE FOREVER AND DO MY BIDDING>I BROUGHT YOU INTO THIS WORLD I CAN TAKE YOU OUT>HOW CAN I MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT DOING BAD THINGS IF YOU NEVER CALL HOME>THERE IS RADIATION OUT THERE. DON'T FORGET TO BRING A JACKET OR YOU WILL CATCH A COLDWomen always hamper a Man's good time.
>>532438491100% Fake FREEMASON Science BS.
>>532442778that 60's tinfoil was so good it blocked the mind control beams, thats why you can only buy aluminum foil now
>>532440187>Since we know it's exact location you should be able to get a telescope and find them shouldn't you?yeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUJBm-Nhfw4
>>532443170Although Mars is the god of war, so it might be a bad idea to allow 'mericans to go there. Venus' probably another one that should be avoided.Moon is just cheese or whatever.
>>532439603>you can be a stubborn faggot your entire lifeso I will be
>>532443352Even the aluminium foil as been getting thinner steadily.But the space foil actually is mylar.. so basically plastic wrap, to keep things fresh, coated like one of those emergency blankets from the first aid kit.In fact I believe it's essentially identical to those.>spacecraft wrapped in literal pennies worth of surplus first aid supplies past the expiration date
>>532438491>ARTEMISA SEMITEOff by one anagram, goyls
>>532440498How does the sun shine on the bottom of a cloud in the flat earth paradigm? For example- the changing colors of (the bottom) of clouds at sunrise/ sunset.
>>532438491It is all real anon, now back to your thumb sucking.
>>532444236CGI
>>532444111czechedTIM ARSERATE SIMMATE SIRSEAR TIMEMIT SAR
>>532438491I'm starting to think the bottom of the ocean is fake now that this moon thing is not to be looked at.
>>532444236Genuine Flat Earthers don't even believe in Newtonian physics or proven mathematical evidence because they're beliefs usually stem from a spiritualistic belief, super contrarians who just choose the belief out of spite to the established system because of misplaced anger or turbolarp. Regardless of it's still one of the most retarded conspiracies out there considering how easily you can disprove it yourself.
>>532444818I Stream?
>>532445066>Genuine Flat Earthers don't even believeThey never want to present their model, they want to attack yours. It's used as a disruptive psychological attack. Reverse the game on rhem
>>532445066>people don't blindly believe in things thwy can't verify themselves
>>532441001wtf is that real
>>532438491Hey retard, during the Apollo missions they didn't even know about the fucking belts and they didn't include shielding in their fake narrative. That's the point they're making.Obviously nowadays they shield the shit because they know about them.
>>532438491shit bucket helped
>>532439603>50% likely to be fakedclassic /pol/tards moving the goal post when proven wrong again and again
>>532445528its a real cgi visualization
>The Trump administration issued an executive order in late August 2025 that designates NASA as a national intelligence and security agency. This order stipulates that the agency's primary function will now include "intelligence, counterintelligence, investigative, or national security work,"
>>532445834Just like shartemis stream.
>>532445536>they didn't even know about the fucking beltsyes they did>didn't include shielding in their fake narrativeeverything is shielding. it doesn't need a sticker on it saying 'RADIATION SHIELDING' in order to work.>posts something about exposing unprotected film to an xray scannerwhich is nothing like the conditions in space.
>>532445944its a mix of live footage and a cgi visualization. this information may blow your mind but there it is.
>>532445404The problem is they can but they don't or just don't want to accept the results. The light refraction experiment is one of them where they hilariously concluded that it doesn't disprove their theory only that we don't know enough about optics and light. Fucking weirdest hill to die on...
>>532446021>everything is shieldingwhat about the windows?
>>532442658glowniggers are pushing gnosticism hard
>>532438491Anything but the Epstein's files
>>532439603What does sending a probe and pretending it's people on the moon have to do with flat Earth kosher theories, nigger?
>>532446448yeah i guess those are going to block less, but they weren't sat in front them all the time.
>>532446021>it doesn't need a sticker on it saying 'RADIATION SHIELDINGWe know they were using off the shelf consumer grade cameras.
>>532446812anything the windows let through would bounce around inside off the shielding
>>532447093Cool, you're good and crazy
>>532447042In Heinleins moon is a harsh mistress he tells how difficult it is to get rid of the potential energy on reentry. They never covered that in the nasa enactments
>>532446951not true either, but thats not relevant to the issue. fact is that xray exposure from a bagage scanner has nothing to do with the rad environment the camera was exposed to.>>532447042lol ok.
shill bots are here
>>532447347>get rid of the potential energy on reentry.why do you think heat shields are important?
>>532447397It's always the memflaggots
>>532447430It's not enough. They would have to circle for days to radiate that much energy. You shills never numerate only emotional
>>532447351Retard
>>532447910Now go look up what the levels are for exposure passing through the belts. Its not a lot, iirc it's about 1% of standard lifetime exposure, and thats at the worst parts of the belts. Thats not a lot of radiation.
>>532448472And it's still orders of magnitude greater than airport scanners that ruin film photography.
>>532447672looking forward your paper proving your claims>>532447910passing over the chatbot contradicting itself, thats a well known effect and is dealt with by using certain combinations of metal and fibrous polyethylene as part of the space craft structure and insulationread more herehttps://clavius.org/envradintro.htmlyou also omit any kind of information on the energy level of any secondary radiation produced in this way because you've no idea. thats why you instantly think 'deadly' when you see the word 'radiation'. >>532448472but what they do is call all those measurements fake while assuming their own invented idea that the VAB is instant death is the trutru
>>532447042And what do windows let through?Some UV, visible light, and near infrared, also some frequencies of radio waves.Only the UV is acutely dangerous, but can be filtered. To other parts of the EM spectrum it's opaque like metal, besides stuff like x-rays obviously, since these go through everything.And this is before we consider coating the glass, which can block specific frequencies.Makes me wonder how you believe colored glass works. Protip: it blocks other colors.
>>532448707You're acting like I said the radiation would deep fry the astronauts but that's not what I'm saying, the commercial film they were using is extremely sensitive to this type of radiation and since they had unshielded cameras using commercial film that was not ruined by the radiation that is strong evidence the flight never happened.You are purposely ignoring or pretending not to understand.
>>532448700No. Braking radiation, the kind your talkibg about, isnt anywhere near as powerful, nor aa focused and directed as something like an airport scanner. Added to thst is the interceding material of the craft itself and storage containers.
>>532448979but you're wrong about all that too. it was relatively slow film that was used, chosen partly because it doesn't react as quickly to any radiation effects. >unshielded camerashere you go again, using stupid words to talk about stuff you dont understand. what do you think the spacecraft, where the cameras spent most of the time, was acting as? what was the camera body and the metal film canister acting as? shielding.You also have NO idea what the rad environment up there is like. thats why you have to point at this things like bare film inside baggage xray machines
>>532448979No. Van allen belt radiation is particle radiation, not xray, a secondary and neglible amount of xray radiation is produced from the interaction of the particles on the shielding, but that is nowhere near the level of something like an airport scanner. Hence why the film isnt going to get damaged by that.
>>532448979Reminds me of that one time in the early Soviet space program; don't recall exactly, but they had a problem with their film getting fucked by radiation.What did they do? They stole the film from a lost US recon satellite and used that.
>>532449336Nah bro, you're probably right. Even though it's about a billion times stronger it doesn't matter because they shielded it with some aluminum foil and Scotch tape. Makes perfect sense.They flew to the moon and then played golf and drove around in dune buggies and then made a phone call to the president. That just makes so much more sense than they faked it.I guess you also believe these alien hybrids they're talking about are real too? Since you just believe everything you hear without any scrutiny? Spooky times.
>>532449393>>532448979Do you niggas even know where the Van Allen Belt is?I suspect you saw some shitty graphics and jumped to faulty conclusions. It's not difficult to avoid (or minimize time in) the dangerous zones since it is not at all uniform.
>>532449867>BILLION TIMES STRONGER>TIN FOIL AND TAPE!!!!1>GOLF!!!>IMPOSSIBLE PHONE CALL!!!11aaand theres the usual moonhoaxie exaggerated spergout
>>532450005of course. what i have said that makes you think otherwise? im just addressing the whole radiation issue. and keep in mind that A14 flew through much more of the VAB for longer than the other missions, which is why their mission does is way above the others.....and yet, its still very low compared to the crap the moonhoaxies like to think of it as being.
>>532450018>Alien hybrids!11Let me ask you this, see if you're even here arguing in good faith or not: do you understand WHY somebody would be skeptical?
>>532449867You were doing well outting up the appearence of at least attempting to provide an argument. Then you dropped the ball.I accept your concession.Xrays produced by braking radiation brought about by the interaction of particles on hull sheildong is significantly weaker than an airport scanner, and thus film onboard apollo briefly traversing the van allen belts is not comparable to putting film through an airport scanner.Thanks for trying and good day to you.I look forward to your next bullshit proposal in the next thread.
>>532450157If interstellar radiation is such a nothing burger why do the anunaki take all our gold?
>>532438793this^with all the technical wizardry they have now, it's faker and gayer than ever
>>532446078>a minute of supposed live footage from inside a big tinfoil can filled with garbage>hanf an hour of cgi>zero footage of the earth or moon from the outsideAre you willing to at least admit that it's suspicious?
>>532450353>Xrays produced by braking radiationIs this b0tr0t? If you mention thermal radiation and van Allen's belt they confuse them?
>>532450157I didn't read the complete exchange, so I wasn't totally sure hehe.Easy mistake in any case.One more thing to add to the graphic:earth's axis is tilted, which also affects the belt a little, so if it's the right season and you raise your orbit on the day side the Van Allen belt is only a minor issue, if you plot your course correctly.It's definitely not good to orbit inside the hazardous zones, but quickly flying through once may be tolerable.
>>532450561What would you expect to see otherwise? Your saying how this is presented seems fake to you, so then, what would have otherwise expected to be presented with in the situation where it was not fake?
>>532438491I want to see space marines in my lifetime.
>>532439603>This one is real.Is it, though?
>>532438491You did this several times you should been building moon colonies by now.
>>532450758No need, we already dealt with the van allen belt film radiation crap, as seen here and in the convo preceding it>>532450353
>>532450283from everything ive seen after years of looking into flat earth and moonhoax stuff, its simply that those being 'skeptical' simply dont know what they are talking about, and usually dont want to know.you guys think you see things that are strange and instead of considering that maybe the reason is a lack on your part, it must be that you've noticed something the fakers didnt do well enough. i think its strange.>>532450561if what you said was the case it would still only mean that nasa doesn't seem to care much or be very good at stuff that spacex has been nailing for years now.if you'd been paying attention to the live feeds you would have seen much more already.
>>532449867What level of disingenuous retard do you have to be to say shit like this? Like, there’s no way you are this fucking stupid. You have to be a kike trying to muddy the water around actual conspiracy theories like 9/11 and the Holohoax
>>532439603>the apollo missions which were 50% likely to be faked.0%, we have retroreflectors from 15
>>532450852>do all this just to start war with each otherlol spacefags are a joke
>>532450948I noticed that you distinctly did not answer the question of can you understand why somebody is skeptical.Could you at least make an attempt to answer the actual question? Are you avoiding the question for a reason? Are you not able to understand WHY somebody would be skeptical?
>>532450758yeah for sure. the difference between the earths axis and the axis of the magnetosphere means that flying away from earth and avoiding nearly all of the VAB is prety straight forwardwith Orion, its already been tested quite harshly inside the VAB during its initial test flight back in 2014 so its clearly built with rad protection in mind.
>>532451033the only reason americans are interested in the moon again is because china is lol
>>532450943Reminds me: I believe they also had a special bunker sort of thing, metal bin, where all the film cartridges were stored inside, to help it get affected less.Unlike the human body film can't heal radiation damage.
>>532451092>I noticed that you distinctly did not answer the question of can you understand why somebody is skeptical.i quite clearly addressed the reason - people see things they dont understand and immediately cry 'FAKE'. they then are very reluctant to admit its not fake when presented with more information, because to admit that would be to admit being wrong. some people find this extremely painful.
>>532450996Do you realize that the null hypothesis of the moon landing, that is what would be ordinary and expected under normal circumstances, the default hypothesis that we should follow unless we have extraordinary evidence to the contrary, the null hypothesis is that we did not go to the Moon.
>>532438491/pol/ never said that. /pol/ has always treated moon landing deniers as retards. And yes, /pol/ is one person and he is in my room with me rn.
>>532451259You still didn't answer the question of if YOU can understand WHY. You're trying to explain how you perceive it but you never actually answer the question of if you understand why somebody would be skeptical. It's a fairly simple question I don't understand the need for elaborate explanations or gymnastics here. It's kind of curious that you won't answer it directly.
No one gets past the Van Halen belts!
>>532440605soviets and the west were both jewish controled. the entire cold war was fake to create the large military industrial complex and spying apparatus that they will use to keep the goyim in line. Nukes are likely fake as well.
>>532451277The null hypothesis is that we did go the moon, it is the agreed upon foundational state, whereas the 'alternative hypothesis' is what you are proposing, the idea that we didn't go, as such the burden of proof is on you to prove that we did not, so you supply data and arguments to that effect in order to reject the null hypothesis in favour of your alternate hypothesis. Your arguing backwards.
>>532445536Van Allen, the person, discovered the belts before Apollo missions
>>532438793FPBP
>>532451113Radiation really isn't that much of an issue overall; I did some calculations a while ago, for a Mars mission, and it's easy to bring sufficient shielding.Say you have a 10 man mission (10x80kg=800kg) and carry 1 ton of supplies per astronaut (10 000kg)if you reduce the number of astronauts to 9 you save 1080kg, which lets you put each remaining astronaut into 120kg lead suit, which probably is overkill.It works out with most mission profiles.
If this Artemis mission is real, why is nasa running obvious bot threads?
>>532451609You're trying to say that an extraordinary claim is the null hypothesis. That's fucking absurd.
>>532450820Real footage, not cgi?>>532450948Sheetx has livestreams of their rockets flying to the moon, showing it get bigger or the earth smaller? Oh wait, no they don't. They stral fisheye lens to rockets thst go up, then down.
>>532451392He very clearly has twice. Somebody would be skeptical because they are ignorant and see something complex which they don't understand, thus rule it as impossible or draw the wrong conclusion. Eg. the foil because "muh air resistance would rip that" and "muh thin means useless as shield"
>>532451392i really dont see how you're not understanding my position on this. what else can i say? people see things they know nothing about and decide to call it fake instead of doubting their own ability to understand what they are seeing. im sure there are other factors involved such as a simplistic 'everything is fake and gay' worldview and high levels of arrogance, but the basic thing stays the samewhat exactly are you looking for me to say other than this?>>532451609correct. you'd only assume that it didn't happen by ignoring all the mountains of evidence that we did, along with the understanding that spaceflight is not some kind of impossible activity (or that theres a dome over the earth).
>>532451826they havent done any lunar flights so no, not yet. but, i msure that when they do, some morons will call the livestream fake and gay anyway. i expect you'll be one of them
>>532440608the moon landing was fake as fuck and anyone can tell with even a cursory examination flat earth is glownigger fedslop
>>532451750That we went to the moon is indeed extrodinary, and an extrodinary amount of proof exists, to the point where it is the concensus. Just because one or two fringe retards like you want to look like they dont believe it, doesnt change anything, you have to provide evidence that discounts the already extrodinary evidence of its occurence, and you cant do that. You try and fail consistantly to do that.
>>532452051ok, whats the thing that you find most convincingly fake?
>>532451750Practically every positive claim someone might dispute is extraordinary.>gravity is realzomg conspiracyConversely, making a totally negative claim doesn't make it ordinary, and considering the extreme abundance of evidence the moon missions happened and were successful, and the consensus opinion that people did land on the moon, it's not extraordinary at all, just like the earth is an oblate spheroid or some shit.Personally I can only say that it's curved and rotates; that's the tricky thing with spheres.. can never see the whole thing at once.
>>532451826So you say the stream is cgi. Okay, what is the criteria in your mind for something that would not seem like cgi to you. Aka, what makes you think that it is cgi and hiw does that differ from something that you would look at and say isnt cgi.
>>532452051>cursory examinationThat's a funny way of saying you go off of vibes and say the videos "look fake," which doesn't make sense because you'd need to see a real moon landing in order to know what a fake one looks like.
>>532452022>they did it already!>a-akshually they didn't but they will!!!I really hope you're doing it for free, otherwise you're definitely getting fired.
>>532451909Well you're explanation is basically that they're stupid so what I'm looking for here is for you to say yes I can understand why they think that (by being able to understand their thinking even if you disagree with it) or no I can't understand why they would think that (as you don't have the ability to see how anybody could come to that conclusion).Just saying oh they're irrational and stupid is hand waving away the question it's not really answering it.
>>532451724retardhttps://archive.org/details/NASA-VanAllenRadiationBelts
>>532452254I know a good quote about talking to flat earthers, space deniers, fake moon landing dicks, here.>The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic.First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The flat earther had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them.
>>532438793It’s real and it was real 60 years ago
>>532452398i really dont get your anger and misunderstand of what im saying. yes, i made a speculative claim that spacex would do a better job at providing more and better video IF they did such a flight. This is based on them having consistently excelled and providing live coverage of their launches (even during reentry), the mars tesla thing and the manned flight they did last year i think it was.its a reasonable speculation to make. for some reason it bother you.
>>532452123If I said that the United States government is one of the least credible organizations that have ever existed in history, would you agree or disagree with that statement?Or, would you try to dodge the question?
>>532452598totally real
>>532452484i think you must be trolling. YES, i understand why some people cry fake - it's because they, without fail in my experience, dont understand something and prefer the idea that the world is fake rather than admit to themselves that they are simply not able to comprehend something. and yes, i disagree with their cries of 'fake'.there. thats my position.
>>532452654Id say that you have given up on the a tual argument of the thread. If a man known to lie says that the sky is blue, does that change the color of the sky?
>>532452761>YES, I understand whyThank you! That's all there really is to it in my opinion. I appreciate the honest answer. If you understand why then you can basically grasp the skepticism. You think that they are wrong but you understand why they think that.
>>532452529>van allen belt can harm the GUIDANCE COMPUTERS>but we have shielding that we are testing on this launchdid you even watch your own link?
>>532452927So I noticed you didn't answer the question. I assume you agree with it, or at least agree with the sentiment of it?
>>532438491Yeah, it's simple. Pol is retarded, and the 9 manned lunar Apollo missions happened, and this current manned lunar mission is happening as well. The amount of photographic, video, physical and technical evidence supporting this is so overwhelming, that anyone calling them fake is just willfully ignoring reality. Why the fuck would anyone even waste their time faking all this?
>>532452927notice how quickly it moves from specifics to the grandest most vague arguments possible. its always the same - they do NOT want to pinned down talking about something in detail but instead prefer to inhabit the world of mystery and generalization.
>>532452761you are a blind believer、like a religious fanatic
>>532452989i said that from the first time you asked. its actually a good example of my position every time you say 'you didn't answer the question' to me or the bong so far.he HAS addressed the question. just not in a way that you understand.
>>532453152and you're just another shill posting up his memes.
>>532453066My response does answer your question.You have given up on the threads argument and have resorted to suggesting that because a Gov does not have impeccable credability, as no Gov does, that this somehow changes objective facts like what pertains to the thread argument. And as I said in my last response>If a man known to lie says that the sky is blue, does this change the color of the sky?The answer is no, it doesnt, the sky being blue has nothing to do with someone who has been known to lie also saying that its blue.I expect you will now completly avoid that and try to focus in on >but usa isnt credibleTo which I respond>No Gov has complete credibilityAnd then I point you back to>A known liar says sky blue, does that change the color of the sky?To which the answer is still no.
>>5324384911st april, nigger and a woman. That's all it takes to know it's fake.
>>532438491Van allen belts is the scientific goy term for firmament.Not a solid glass dome as you troglodytes seem to think but we cant escape past it.This "mission" is fake and gay and an excuse to eat more public funding since all support for space has dwindled in the year of the Lord 2026.
>>532453101No, I'm shifting to a higher level of argument to show you that it's basically a difference of opinion about how evidence should be processed. Almost all evidence from the moon landing comes from a source that is not credible and we all know and understand they're not credible.This is not scientific it's authoritarian. It's the same level of thinking that religious people use, because at this point it is a belief system more than anything else. You believe it happened because an authority told you that it happened.Science requires empiricism. YOU actually have zero personal knowledge that these things happened you are relying completely on second and third party narratives.
>>532453092it's fake you retard.nasa for the last decade or more has been shovelling out the fakest shit on the planet.you can see the the wires
>>532440121Also an excellent point.
>>532453387You're getting defensive because your epistemological framework is shown to be flimsy.
>>532453457Independent scientific agencies all over the planet have done experiments involving the apollo retroreflectors for over 50 years.
>>532453048when radiation destroys machines, it obliterates organisms, challenger astronauts could not see at 300Km altitude because of radiation, it is even in wikipedia, but if you believe it you are just completely retarded and should take your covid boosters
>>532453457>Im shifting to a different argumentWe accept your concession and look forward to disproving the crap nonsense you will inevitably put forward in the next thread suggesting that the moon landing didnt happen, which I expect youl post shortly after or even before this one dies.
>>532438491fun fact, the ship is riddled with radiation detectors to: "Study the radiation dosage during the trip"
>>532453602I have actually worked with radiation in a biology lab. Have you? Computers are far more sensitive.
>>532453255that is not a meme retarded bot
>>532440608>fifth of the thread>mask off desperate to maintain the paperclip between anything critical of modern world and flerfreally makes you think. What's the chapel bell experiment?
>>532440605The same ones that agreed with their mortal enemies to never go to or speak of Antarctica? Tell me how different republicans and democrats are now
>>532453726nice arguments, retard>it is real because it is impossible to fake and the government doesn't lie goys
>>532453730Burnt offering
>>532453653It's really clear that instead of addressing anything in the argument, you're just dodging. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and the burden of proof is on you because the more extraordinary claim is that we flew to the moon and the null hypothesis is that we didn't fly to the moon.This extraordinary evidence never seems to manifest, and the second it starts being scrutinized, true believers who are running on faith get angry and emotional and start lashing out.
>>532453457i did include this in my reply to you about if i understand why some people call it fake. its based on a very exaggerated perception that everything is fake and gay, and its often this perception that, in your example, the US government ALWAYS lies about EVERYTHING which is focused on instead of specifics. you use this perception to assume that, say, radiation SHOULD have ruined the film instead of learning about radiation in detail and then applying that to the kind of film used and how it was handled and stored.its backwards. its also comfortable and easy because it doesn't require you to try understanding any of the many and varied areas that the denier arguments cover.
>>532454022aka holocaustand good incentive for the new masonic slaves to behave. no wonder they go crazy
>>532438491NASA engineer admits they can’t get passed the Van Allen Beltshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5dPsu66Kw&t=180s
>>532453982Thousands of hoaxer threads and not once is there a single answer to the retroreflectors
>>532453730its very much a meme pic and more so because of how you intend it to be understood. if you mean anything by it and aren't just posting it at random, is that yout either think they were killed deliberately due to some invented idea that they were going to call it all fake, or that you think its impossible for the apollo program to have done the moon landings after such an accident.which is it? both?>>532453744anons ask questions etc and i reply. problem?
>>532453982Did you forget that Apollo denialism standard canon includes:>USSR and the USA would have had to work together to convince everyone that the USA made it to the moonotherwise the USSR would have called out the moon landings were fake
>>532452610At first you said that sheetx already did, then you backed down when I pointed out your bullshit. Just admit that you lied, it's pretty clear.As a bonus have part of this historical picture they took. Funny, it's it?
>>532454049>Null hypothesisThis was already addresed and refuted here>>532451609And here>>532452123Your now reusing old arguments because you feel that they hve fallen just far enough back in the thread that you can reuse them for any new readers who just joined us and start with recent replies.
>>532454101It's kind of wild that after accusations of exaggerating everything you go on to say that my claim was that everything the US government says is a lie which isn't what I said at all. I just said that they don't have a lot of credibility. Evidence is judged by credibility.It's kind of funny right? You're exaggerating my position on it, it's the exact same that you just accused me of like two sentences after you made the accusation you committed the sin yourself. Amazing.
>>532454245wrong. it works without reflectors. proven many times. you are a retarded newfag
>>532454245>retroreflectors'The Lasers Bright Magic' by Thomas MeloyPage 876"Four years ago (1962) a ruby laser considerably smaller than those now available, shot a series of pulses at the Moon, 240000 miles away. The beams illuminated a spot less than two miles in diameter, and were reflected back to Earth with enough strength to be measured by ultra sensitive electronic equipment."Many types of signals can be bounced off the Moon, even without any type of reflectors. In the 1950s, Moon-bounce was used to communicate around the curvature of the Earth. If you were in the military and wanted to talk with someone in Hawaii from California, you would bounce your conversation off the Moon.
>>532453458>you can see the wiresNo. No, you cannot.
>>532454500Blatant lying does not prove a point for you. There is an entire field of literature on them.
>>532454481You didn't refute anything. It's an objective fact that the null hypothesis would be we didn't go to the Moon.
>>532438491/pol/ is full of 70 IQ shitskin retards who can't comprehend the brilliance, superiority, and daring of the white man.
>>532454236another lie often repeated by shills. he was building the Orion guidance computer and was talking about the risk to crew if radiation should affect the computer during flight. modern micro electronics are more susceptible to energetic particle radiation causing bitflips and things like that, whereas the apollo AGC was based on massive thick copper wire memory that didn't care.he has nothing to do with designing radiation protection for the crew.>>532454245they just think they were placed robotically and/or claim that returns from the bare surface are the same quality.both wrong
>>532454535Obviously the moon reflects light, that's how you see it, but the return specta are distinct for artificial retroreflectors and do not exist in nature.
>>532447397There is the glerf spam again.
>>532454455i never claimed that spacex had flown to the moon.>your picif you ever bothered looking at sat images outside of meme pics posted by flat earthers youd know that clouds constantly form in certain shapes, and that humans are very good at seeing familiar shapes like faces and letters in places where those shapes occur at random.
>>532454612The null hypothesis is the base condition of the agreed upon state, as opposed to the alternative hypothesis which attempts to provide enough evidence to overturn the null hypothesis. The agreed upon state is that we did go to the moon, this is the natural concensus. You are providing an alternative hypothesis that we did not, which is not general concensus, therefore the burden of proof is on you to provide extrodinary evividence that would refute the null hypothesis. Well? Were waiting. Also this is the 3rd time this has been explained to you, simply waiting for the thread to move enough posts to temporarily.obscure it before repeating it, doesnt make for a good look.
>>532440121There is near-continuous video footage on the entire triphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RwfNBtepa4
>>532454399of course they were killed because they didn't want to lie to the world. how does the capsule interior catch fire, the oxygen system malfunction, the doors don't open, the failsafe mechanism fails. on earth in a simple test. you also believe in Santa Claus?
>>532454795Yes, of course, that's why it's the same funny word as is another historical ball picture used to convince the masses, just a coincidence.But at least we have the technology to take pictures of stars in space now!
>>532454859no stars. skill issue. psyop level 3/10 - don't recommend
>>532454498>It's kind of funny right? You're exaggerating my position on it,i may have done that, though its commonly enough stated. you did say its the least credible government ever in the world or something. the point is (and you ignored what the bong asked you about blue sky) that while its reasonable to be cautious about what you accept as true, its also the case that you really need to be guided by specific evidence rather than by some over arching assumption. fine, look with skepticism at the radiation environment in space and how it affects camera film, but at least make the effort to learn about it all before posting memes from aulis.com and crying about how fake it all is.
>>532454569he's right that LLR does work a bit just using the bare lunar surface. but its inaccurate and requires much higher power lasers and longer sample periods to produce lower quality measurements.what they are wrong about is that its all the same and that the retros make no difference, but they'll never admit it.>>532454777yes, thats me, just making sure that any new lurkers have their attention drawn to the youtube list bot.
>>532454848You don't know what you're talking about. The null hypothesis is that nothing happened that no cause and effect occurred that nothing changed as a result of your actions or that the actions didn't occur in the first place.By definition the null hypothesis, objectively, is that we did not go to the Moon. It's not based on opinions or consensus or belief. You don't set the null hypothesis by taking a survey.
>>532455058Shouldnt engage with them attempting to shift the argument, its an ever moving goalpost youl just be dragged along into an evershifting run of crap. We already addressed and disproved the threads proposed argument, when then they attempt to ahoft arguments we accept the concession and await the next bullshit proposistion in the next thread.By engaging with the evershifting goalpost, you are assisting them in burying the original argument refutations in an avalanche of shit, thats by design. Can you see the tactic?
>>532454399I understand that you're using pilpul
>>532454894>how does the capsule interior catch fire,because it was filled with 100% oxygen at 16psi. that makes lots of things catch on fire very easily.>the doors don't openhave you ever looked at the design of the hatch from that time?>the failsafe mechanism failsthe what?>>532454964>at least we have the technology to take pictures of stars in space now!its called exposure levels and super low ISO digital cameras that have a great dynamic range. i know that you have no clue about how cameras work so i get where you're coming from on this.
ITTHigh school drop outs argue about science
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>>532455246It isn't just the return intensity, the light absorption of the regolith itself taints the return spectra. It's a little bit more fucked with the reflectors after all this time because of dust on top of them, but there is no way to explain the clean return from the early years of their use with natural reflection
>>532455317yeah you've got a point. as soon as it gets away from the specifics it always ends up as some vague thing that doesn't mean anything.
>>532438491Its also proof that this mission is fake.
>>532455263Null hypothesis/Alternative Hypothesis is proposal and counter proposal. Example, I can start with a null hypothesis that when I release an object it will fly up into the sky rather than hit the ground, the alternative here would be that it would hit the ground, because I am starting from a posistion and then through experimentation/data will attempt to reject the null in favour of the alternative. So when you put that in the context of disproving the moon landings, your null is that the moon landings happened and your alternative [the thing that in that instance your trying to prove] is that it didnt happen.Thats now the 4th time this has been explained to you.
>>532455669>the light absorption of the regolith itself taints the return spectra.yes thats right. when you look at graphs from their LLR runs you can so obviously see the spike of returns when the retro is being hit. the random returns from the surface just form a low level of noise compared to that.
>>532455058To be fair you did admit that you exaggerated and committed the same sin of your accusation and you did admit that you can understand why somebody would be skeptical and you did admit that people who exercise skepticism are completely rational.And basically you're trying to frame it as healthy skepticism versus just skepticism but to me I don't see that much of a difference. Overall I think you're probably fairly intelligent but you really have a big issue with buying into the mythology of the moon landing.Moon landing claims are de facto extraordinary and it's completely normal and logical and rational that some people are not going to believe extraordinary claims, especially when supported primarily almost universally by evidence from one of the least credible sources of information that the world has ever seen. But you're thinking has a bigger problem, and that it is authoritarian and religious in nature. You believe you are being scientific but your entire framework is based on faith that is no different than the faith that Christians place in God or the faith that Muslims place in Allah. you have just replaced priests with scientists and you have replaced God with government.I'm an atheist and when I read your words, you sound like a religious person to me.
>>532439603> 50%lmao such precision based on feefees
>>532455691Yup, im not even going to keep going with the 'null hypothesis' guy, I did that in case I wanted to use it as the example to you and everyone else as to how their tactic of 'bury the real argument in shit after they manage to disprove you' Now we wait for the next thread and disprove the proposal in OP, and we keep doing that, endlessly.
>>532455710This is just a clumsy attempt at burden shifting. The null hypothesis is that we didn't go to the Moon I've already explained it to you you can go read about scientific philosophy if you want but there is no universe in which going to the Moon is somehow the default null hypothesis.
>>532439603The logic is so easy. SOL made us, made the planets, made the solar system. SOL is a god.of reality, it doesn't think like a person or commit shenanigans for the sake of shenanigans. Why would it make every other planet and moon locally a sphere EXCEPT the one we all live on? It makes no sense and requires a suspension of disbelief too far. Praise SOL
>>532455317>>532455691Because your positions are revealed to be flimsy faith-based belief systems once it's revealed that you can only argue in terms of "what the government told me"
day three or something idk of lethal radiation dose
>>532455859>big issue with buying into the mythology of the moon landing.because its entirely plausible and possible and every single thing ive seen moonhoax believers bring up always boils down to the thing ive being say. every time. in the context of the technology and the space programs of the time there is NOTHING extraordinary about the moon landings. its entirely consistent. but i understand that if you dont have that context then it may appear to be like magic or....> your entire framework is based on faith faith. i think the problem with your thinking is that while not stupid or anything, you are lacking a great deal of context when looking at this issue (perhaps others too). its simply not the case that you have to take what evil nasa says on faith, because nothing they ever say is incredible. its all based on basic physics etc. if i see someone claim that the photos from the moon cant be real because radiation would definitely ruin them, its possible to check that claim out. thats how i know for sure that the claim is wrong. same with all the other moonhoax believer claims.
>>532440251Good luck getting that one passed through the shit posting culture. Been like this since forever. On a high note, this terminology means you are in a shill/bot/JIDF/Canadian/Nigger thread. Always a silver lining.
>>532451721Love how they glue just a bunch of random stuff to the walls and leave everything completely exposed and cables everywhere chaotically. Yep that makes so much sense, not like it would be a total safety hazard. Seems they're more focused on seeming super advanced. Also nice mason apon pattern on the space suit.
day three or something idk of the twenty three million dollar space toilet emitting disconcerting burning scents and the peepee hole jamming and pissing into bags
>>532456382There's nothing wrong with having faith by itself in a vacuum. If somebody told me they had a sandwich for breakfast this morning I'm not going to go looking for empirical evidence that this occurred I'm just going to take it on faith it's a normal part of interacting with our world.Please don't sit around and pretend like your position is not faith-based.
>>532451022China and russia also have retroreflectors...
>>532456574This thread exists to make a claim about van allen belt radiation, which has quite some time ago now been dispproved in this thread. To recap:>Belt radiation is almost entirely particle radiation>The only Xray radiation concerning film on the craft would be a small amount thats known as 'braking radiation' which is created by the reaction of the radiation particles and the shielding>This braking radiation is far far weaker than a conventional airport xray scanner and so the two are not comparableThis thred is now defunct.Now you post the next thread with the enxt inane proposistion and we do this all again.
>>532455885pretty much lol>>532456007>he null hypothesis is that we didn't go to the Moonno, its not, because its not an extraordinary claim at all. the extraordinary claim would be that it was faked. >>532456194no, its nothing to do with that. the problem is that you simply do not have the proper context to understand what you're talking about, so it all seems faith based to you. its the same way that high technology is called magic by those that dont know what it is. >>532456574then what are you really arguing? that we can never know anything for sure unless we do it and see it with our own senses? in a certain respect thats somewhat true i suppose, but its an entirely unreasonable and somewhat bizarre position to really rigorously to everything dont you think? i mean, i havnt built a laptop from the component materials through to finished product before, but that doesn't mean im being justifiably skeptical by posting on the internet about how laptops are really made by aliens and contain the spirits of demons captured and held in the sigil-like patterns of circuit boards.there comes a point when you have to accept that some things are the case as commonly said simply because so many other people have been checking and doing experiments to confirm what others have said.
>>532454894Me walking when I feel someone is watching me.
>>532456991exactly. look how much time as been spent going back and forth about what amounts to epistemology and the philosophy of science rather than talking about the actual specific subject raised against the validity of the moon landings. its always like this, they always want to waffle on about hoe heckin skeptical and 'trust no one' etc etc.
>>532438491>the people who lie about everything said....and u believed it
>>532440608I think we went to the moon, but the moon landing footage is kind of dog shit Im pretty sure the chinks already have a moon base and they really dont want people to find out about it, which is why we are doing all this 2nd degree warfare against china right nowWe are probably about to drop bombs/invade their moon base
>>532438491Funny how they waited until AI technology passed the uncanny valley before they attempted to do another “moon landing”
>>532456761That isn't the point, the point is that there is a big reflector at exactly the place apollo 15 was supposed to have landed. It wouldn't be there if the lander was just filmed on a set, it needed to actually land. The only possible counterargument is that they did land the lander, but with no people in it, and then also did a hoax with people in a studio, which is obviously laughable.
>>532441791as are all things
>>532457175Yes, but there is a silver lining, this is why we bother to come and smack them down at all. Because their tactics do not grow more effective but us pointing them out, but their tactics instead grow less effective as we ecxpose them and more learn about them. They are fighting a losing battle, their methodology grows ever less effective and the resistence of the average person grows ever stronger against it.
>>532457215>the moon landing footage is kind of dog shithow do you mean? to me its pretty damn good considered the state of video technology at the time. then theres the better than HD photos and 16mm footage.>pretty sure the chinks already have a moon base what makes you think that?
i genuinely dont think there was anybody in that rocket.
>>532446495gnosticism is high agency world view
>>532440121really makes you think
>>532457350Well, what if they did fake it? But they faked it on the moon, not in a studio.
>>532456574>There's nothing wrong with having faith by itself in a vacuumVacuum is one of the things you shouldn't have faith in because that shit doesn't exist.You can get pretty close to a true vacuum, but not 0.At least not inside the universe. It might be kinda empty, but not quite that empty.
>>532450005uh what color one is it?
>>532455385Can you explain this image thx
if moon mission real whycome spacepeople not providing timestamps on sticky notes every five minutes to a 24/7 livestream of them sitting and sleeping and shitting and pissing for all of us to watch
>>532457557Yeah, I hear kubrick was such an insufferable perfectionist that he demanded all shot be on-location
>>532457447for all the shills and trolls i really do think there are people who genuinely question stuff like that, and thats fine. i just find it sad that almost all the questioning is done from a place of extreme skepticism to the point that they dont feel any need to really learn about the things they are calling fake. it seems to be enough to express raw skepticism and call it good.
>>532456418allows for maximum repairability I assume
>>532457557The easy answer is: someone would have noticed, which is something no spaceflight doubter does.Have yet to see one of them notice anything.>it's a conspiracy that everybody with insight on the matter agrees it happenedNow way around the noticing part; how would one notice everybody is lying?>le sussy gut feeling
>>532457008>then what are you really arguing?It's completely rational to be skeptical of the moon landing. People who don't believe the moon landing happened are not crazy lunatics, they're just normal people exercising skepticism.You're not smarter or a clearer thinker or have a higher IQ simply because you take on faith what the government tells you. You're suffering from hubris by thinking that you know something as a certainty when in fact you do not know something as a certainty. You guys keep mentioning a consensus but you know that's something like 15% of the US and 25% of Europe believe the moon landing was fake. And rising.
>>532457750he would also have spent years making all the footage look just right and not been able to film any of the other famous movies he made during that period.....in the UK, since he never left there after moving because he refused to fly.
>>532438491>we (liars)>(lie) about getting through Van Allen>therefore, we are not (liars)I see absolutely no contradiction here.
Van Allen belts, tldr>the earth's magnetic field, to a certain extent, acts like a "magnetic bottle" that traps some of the charged particles streaming off the sun>sometimes when conditions are right, these charged particles will travel up the magnetic field lines to the magnetic poles and give us the Northern Lights>anyway this radiation is mostly alpha particles but other decay-chain particles are there too>an alpha particle is a helium nucleus, which is mostly what the sun puts out. It's a very large particle and highly reactive. Meaning pretty much any solid matter will block it. It can even be blocked with tissue paper>another threat are beta particles, basically highly energized electrons>these are smaller than an atom and can penetrate short distances, although they can be blocked with any electrically conductive material, even tin foil>gamma rays are the other main radiation type, highly energized ionizing light waves>the sun puts this out too, and without an atmosphere in space there's nothing blocking it>in this case, astronauts just have to "tank the hit", it would require like 10 feet of solid cement to have a chance of blocking it all>enjoy your increased cancer risk
>>532457580You dumb kraut it's an English expression it means "without any other mitigating or complicating factors"
>>532439603>Trust the Experts>Experts: flat, non-rotating Earth oh no, NO NO NO NO NO
>>532457859>15% of Americans believe the moon landing was fakedi believe that statistic. I'm actually shocked it's not higher because way more than 15% of the American public are fuckign retarded. Refute that.
>>532438793Are you telling me this is fake???
>>532457905Dumbass
>>532454859>open stream>it's offhaven't finished rendering the next scene yet? epic
>>532458007Yeah in physics problems you often simplify the situation to remove confounding variables. Like if you're modelling a coin falling, it's easier to just assume gravity without dealing with air friction. This would be a good assumption at low speeds. If you're including the earth's rotation in all your models, you're essentially wasting your time on a minor variable that is super hard to calculate, but doesn't matter all that much.
>>532438793in the other thread there’s some faggot sperging out over how he’s been waiting for this launch for years….lol what?
>>532458007wait until you learn about the phrase "perfect sphere in a vaccuum"
>>532457859>they're just normal people exercising skepticism.but so very very rarely from a place of knowledge. take the think about radiation in this thread. not you or anyone did anything apart from post a picture of some film that was in a baggage scanner and then some stuff a chatbot said. that was it. >simply because you take on faith what the government tells youand as ive been trying to get across to you, thats not really the case. you think the photos are faked? great, you can check it all out for consistency of lighting, physics, the whole works. you can check it all out to the point that you can know as sure as possible that its real, just like any other photo that you werent there to see taken.ssame thing for all the technology, everything. as much as anyone can know anything without being there to see and watch, you can know.>something like 15% of the US and 25% of Europe believe the moon landing was fake. And rising.ok, that might be true. but if its all based on the same stupid memes seen on the internet, then what does that really tell us? more about the people seeing the memes than if the landings happened or not.
>>532457929i think radiation is probably good for you and we're all being lied tochernobyl was literally a nothingburger that shit is teeming with wildlife and vegetation whycome nature give no fucks if it's so harmful make it make sense fantastic four is about to become reality frfr i wonder what zany superpowers our intrepid heroes will come back with besides manifold malignant cancers beginning to flourish
>>532458061The 85% are the ones that are retarded. What's to refute?
>>532458077are you doubting these brave space neurosurgeons??
>>532457644Basically the entire thing, but it gets more intense towards the "inside".Hard to say beyond which color it actually gets dangerous because that depends on a lot of factors.Safe to say the further outside you stay the better, or that you want to cross the inner regions as quickly as possible unless the craft is designed to go there. All in all it's mainly a matter of orbiting deep inside the Van Allen belt, especially on the night side, that you want to avoid. Crossing it is never quite that bad; unless a solar flare is hitting, maybe.
>>532457929Actually the radiation is pretty much all particle radiation, and of that primarily beta particles, which can be stopped by shit like plastic and glass let alone aluminium. The shielding used on craft traversing the belts does quite a lot to mitigate that, despite that there is certainly a doage being taken, and it's about 1% of the lifetime total you'd get just standing on earth. So, negligable. LOOK GUYS THESE CUNTS ARE FORGETTING THE ENTIRE THREAD PRIOR TO THIS AND JUST OUT OF HAND PRETENDING WE HAVNT ALREADY GONE OVER THIS SEVERAL TIMES LOOOL
>>532458258I think they said the impact of a moon trip is like the equivalent of several dozen chest x-rays. Astronauts have a noticeably higher cancer risk.Although people have stayed in space for months or the better part of a year and been mostly ok. One of the worst things healthwise is the lack of gravity. Humans literally cannot survive without sufficient gravity.
>>532454648Things that deboonk the Van Allen belt claims are the most interesting to me because it's the only claim made by the flat moon crew that holds any water at all. It's kind of funny that the only reaction skeptics have to justify the extent of decay in aerospace engineering is to deny that previous achievements ever happened at all.
>>532458155>>532458223>we need to simulate a flat earth to make our systems able to operatehmmmm.
>>532458243>then what does that really tell us?Simply that it's not a consensus belief that we went to the Moon. By the way it's almost exactly the same percentage of people that got covid vaccines in the United States. Maybe it's a good representative sample of people who don't exercise skepticism when they should.
fake and gay, only thing nasa sent to space is your imagination.>1000000 years in space>no real earth photoexplain this? it's all fake & gay, we may be even living in an attack on titan like world where our history wiped out, they feed us lies to keep us in the dark.
>>532458007>rigid aircraft>constant massboth also not real, like the earth being flat and non rotating. its called an idealization and im sick of telling flerfs to stop lying like this,.>>532458223yeah, or isotropic radiators. impossible things used to make basic calculations from which more complex models can be created.
>>532457963it's just German humor >///<
>>532458521They're farming us for our psychic energy, fren
>>532458243>not you or anyone did anything apart from post a picture of some filmIt's unfortunate that you seem to have a problem with embellishing and exaggerating in order to get your point across. Don't really think you need to do that in order to argue your position but you've been doing it constantly in this thread it's a huge problem you have maybe a personal personality trait or something that you really should try to keep that in check. I don't know if you're younger or older guy but if you're young this will fuck your life up later and it's a habit you should break.
>>532458285Yeah and 60 odd % of Americans believe in angles. What retards beleive does not equate to whats provable. If some retard believed that if he jumped over 30cm he would fly off into the sky and be lost forever, does that make it true? Obviously fucking not because its verifiable and provable that he's incorrect in his assertion. SO ever gunna get back to recycling van allen belt arguments that have already been crushed several times in this thread?
This subject always attracts shills and turbo-atheists who for whatever reason have to believe in the theory of random chance. It is a belief system, an atheistic highly intolerant one at that where the main motivating factor is the fear of being in the wrong, which unfortunately they are because:Space is fakeNukes are a hoaxEarth is flatEvolution is a lieDinosaurs never existed.
>>532458583Well I guess it had to be German humor since it wasn't funny.
>>532458481They are defining mathematical equations for aircraft variables, not trying to prove the earth is a sphere.
>>532458554Explain this to me.
>>532458620Trolling and playing dumb are one thing, gaslighting is something far more sinister, don't do it. If it was up to me you'd be shot for engaging in it.
>>532446590Think harder about it, nigger. That should be a no brainer. Work on that reading comprehension.
>>532458312You have to wonder where they find these people and the process to get them to play their role. I theorize that they may have been kidnapped as children and groomed for this very purpose.
>>532440605They never cried foul because they wanted the race to end cause their economy was in the shitter. They had no interest in having a prolonged economic clash with the US.
>>532458692Kill yourself kike
my very favorite parts of nasa history were when they deliberately incinerated three astronauts on the pad in a pure oxygen fire and then later got an srb to melt through the main fuel tank of a shuttle after knowingly launching with frozen-solid o-ring seals in the lowest bidder's product and then ordered back another into a landing attempt so it could burn up when they were fully aware of its re-entry panels being fuckedspacemen and being murdered by one's government go together like peanut butter and jelly between toasted slices of bread
Tin foil, paper mache, and duct tape. That's the "lunar module"
>>532458450the VAB is an interesting thing to look at for sure. not sure what you've looked at before but i can recommend this site as a good resource on the subjecthttps://clavius.org/envradintro.html>>532458513lots of things are not 100% consensus, even when 10 people all saw the same even in person. >the vaxxthe big difference that you might appreciate is that during covid many may thousands of doctors, nurses and biotech professionals came out against both the vaxx and the other government mandated measures. There was never, and has never, been such a response from those whose careers related to the technology involved in the apollo program. its a stark contrast.
>>532458881You're brown.
>>532458450Instead they did a whole lot of stuff early on but then it kinda tapered off because there wasn't too much to do anymore.>rush through all the cheap experiments>now every worthwhile experiment costs billions>RIP spessAnd the Space Race also happened in a spirit of competition. Did they really have to land on Venus? No, not really, it's not very interesting there, but they did anyway.. for bragging rights.That said, the amount of satellites in orbit keeps increasing drastically.
>>532458780You want to shoot people that have different opinions than you? Why are people who believe the moon landing hoax always so violent and angry?
>>532458953I always get a chuckle whenever some shill come along and tries to rationalize what we see here.
>>532458840Nothing stopping them from doing both. It's not like they'd lose more if they called the burgers out for their bullshit.
>>532454426Happy Easter!Congrats on making me comment!The USSR actually had everything to gain with allowing the US into the position of having publicly faked the moon landing *as long as* new American forays into space were stopped.Also, once the public opinion of the world (the one that matters, not everybody) started to believe the US went to the moon, perhaps the USSR would look stupid and bitter trying to disprove it, especially when doing so towards an audience which wanted to believe (quite clearly). The moon landing with no new forays into the moon - weather real or faked - stopped any more unbelievably expensinve space forays / races with no real military purpose.It was a win for both super powers to stop such waste.Plus if fake the US will have to be eternally on guard defending the moon landing with increasing difficulty as we see today. The USSR must have loved this idea.
>>532459052Oh i don't care if someone has a differing beleif to mine. Thats fine. But using the tactic of gaslighting on another individual for whatever reason should imo be punishable by death.
>>532459064Confetti fartium is the most efficient fuel
>>532458810Probably when you become a 20th degree freemason you have Obama and Jim Carrey in a room with you and they give you a "fake gun" to shoot one of your fellow masons as a ritual and then it turns out to be a real gun and they use a shotgun to finish off the guy and tell you, if you ever so much as mention your membership, this will happen to you. And don't bother telling anyone about today kid, you really think someone will believe this?
>>532458953What's so bad about taping emergency blankets on your spaceship?There's not a whole lot going on in space. No nigger alien will come flying and tear up your hobo carton lander.>at least that hasn't happened yetThink of it as a raincoat.>solar rain
>>532458620i think on this point i have not exaggerated at all. what i said covers the extend of the evidence and argument provided by the 'its fake' side so far.>>532458775why did you change the subject so dramatically? dont you want to talk about your silly 'non rotating earth' meme any more?>masonssure, some of the guys in the space program were masons of one kind or another. im sure at least one or two were into spiritualism and physic research but that doesnt mean the landings were faked either.
>>532438491The Soviets and the Chinese were watching the whole thing and would have every incentive in the world to blow us the fuck out. China sent a probe recently that photographed the Apollo lander. Again, they could have just blown us the fuck out of it were fake. The truth is that we went but thirdies need to cope into eternity because every month they look into the sky and see a reminder that America is better than them. Tsukiyomi genjutsu.
>>532458974>thousands of doctors, nurses and biotech professionals came out against both the vaxx and the other government mandated measuresSee, this is exactly why people don't trust what you're saying because you're trying to retcon history. This is exact same thing that we've been talking about where you exaggerate something in order to try to make your point when actually it harms your point because you have to exaggerate in order to support it.
>>532459157Define what you mean by gaslighting?
>>532459064thats why you will never understand what you're looking at. you just refuse, for some reason.
>>532459253>why did you change the subject so dramatically?You offered nothing of substance.Also I noticed you failed utterly to answer the question about the astronauts being Freemasons. Care to explain?
So when are you guys gunna post the enxt thread with a bullshit claim that we easily dispprove in minuets and then the entire threads becomes an avalnche of shit attempting to bury the original argument so that it can be more easily recycled for next time?
>>532459146>perhaps the USSR would look stupid and bitter trying to disprove itYou mean like people ITT?
>>532458974BTW
>>532459250It's amusing how NASA shills think spewing up some word vomit is an equivalent for a real argument.
>>532459294you think that didn't happen? because it very much did. things like that great barrington delcaration and stuff were real and i heard all about it at the time, though naturally there was definitely suppression of it.
>>532459253Why dont you go have an extended coffee break, glowie
>>532459407>You just have to use your imagination
>>532459183On one hand you moan about the tin foil and then complain when the engine ignition tears it up?Or do you expect tin foil to resist rocket exhaust?
>>532458974>>532459524Indeed globe-xister.However, let us not fall for misinformation. The vaccines are safe and effective.
>>532459463If that's your point of view, sure. I was convinced ther was no moon landing in a night watching American Moon.
>>532459183I feel sorry for the camera man left behind.
>>532459438Actually this thread gave me an idea I think in the next thread I'm just going to post statistics about how many fucking retarded doctors recommend the covid vaccine.>>532459524>though naturally there was definitely suppression of itRight, and even at the time of the moon landing broadcasts there were thousands of people calling it fake although there was definitely suppression of it.
>>532459427>You offered nothing of substance.i told you it was an idealisation (look up the term) and that your quote also mentioned several other things that are not real. do you think aircraft are perfectly rigid? do you think, back when that paper was written, powered aircraft stayed at a constant mass while running the engines?>>532459495even accounting for the source of such a survey and your use of chatbots, you do see that even those low percentages allow for thousands of medical professionals to have expressed other opinion?
>>532459585>uhm the reason our lunar module is made of tin foil and paper mache is>we need space blankets, it gets very cold thuh module might get the sniffles otherwise
>>532458810They brainwash them Manchurian candidate style. Their beaming thoughts into their head with voice to skull technology.
>>532459512And your real argument is?>haha paper in spess
>>532459743It's ok the cameraman was black. Don't you know the moon landing was a heckin' white achievement go--guy?
>>532459564are you wanting to peace and quite?>>532459565you just have to understand what you're looking at.>>532459758>there were thousands of people calling it fakewho? people who thought the video 'looked funny'? what were their reasons? were they medical professionals whose careers were at risk? any rocket scientists, physicists, aerospace engineers and so on? no?
>>532459774I don't know if you're doing it intentionally or not but you're missing the point of the comparison. Those thousands of skeptical doctors, that were called anti-scientific and had their voices suppressed and were threatened because of their skepticism, are analogous to moon landing deniers.
>>532459809Do you have a degree in making strawmen?If not you better pipe down, bozo.
Oh btw guys, check the OP>1pbtidWe need 1pbtid threads to be a bannable offence.
>>532459774>all equations used assume a flat, nonrotating earthwhat is more likely:>A. it's a flat, nonrotating Earth>B. muh idealisationRub your two brain cells together real hard for this one, Eglinnigger.
>>532459025>Did they really have to land on Venus? No, not really, it's not very interesting therethey did learn more than they were expecting to be fair
>>532459294beware the perfidious leaf
>>532452586Kek
>>532459774>even accounting for the source of such a survey and your use of chatbotsCan I ask you why you're a skeptic about chatbots?>>532459982Well the admins have basically set it up so that only shills get to start threads now so are you surprised the board is flooded with 1pbtid bait?
>>532459965>>532459844By the way, none of the globetards ITT have answered me as to why all of the Apollo 11 astronauts were Freemasons.
>>532460151I'm actually not arguing with the leaf I'm posting for the lurkers
>>532460223Because AMerica is a freemason Empire.
Reminder, the proposistion in the Op was disproved a fraction of the way into thread, the rest is just to bury it in shit so people coming in might miss the fact and jsut get caught up in endlessly shifting arguments.>>532450353
>>532459964>are analogous to moon landing deniers.no, because there are no skeptics of the landings who are qualified to make really informed objections. thats the obvious comparison ive made explicitly clear. its always people thinking that shadows in photos dont look right, or that the film should have been ruined by radiation (about which they know nothing)>>532460123>totally rigid airframe>airplane is always the same massare those very likely?>>532460218because they are a lazy tool that i dont like or trust, the results of which can always be bettered by doing the search yourself and trying to understand the concepts directly instead of having it all digested for you. i think that using them in a discussion like this is a sign of weakness on the part of the one using them. its one thing to use search engines and accept that they have built in biases of what results are shown, but its quite another to trust such things in presenting you the information directly instead of finding it in more primary sources.
>>532460708true, and ive had about enough of it. would much rather have stayed talking about radiation in space.
>>532459064>I always get a chuckle whenever some shill come along and tries to rationalize what we see here.Then literally two minutes later...>>532459250>What's so bad about taping blankets on your spaceship? There's not a whole lot going on in space.Pottery
>>532460772Good, you just learned something about their tactics and improved your response to them, they jsut got weaker, we just got stronger, see you in the next bs thread they post. Shouldnt be long now, this one is almost over by the looks of it.
>>532460710>because they are a lazy toolSo is outsourcing your beliefs to to government agencies. Here again you commit the same sins that you accuse others of committing. A pattern with you.
>>532460805>haha its so funny when some shill tries to say "4" when I post "what is 2+2">LMAO THEY DID IT
>>532460223While I can't say I actually want to know this in light of that question I have to wonder whether all US astronauts were cutfags.It's possible.>>532460805Can't say I approve of littering but it's just bits of plastic wrap.>if it falls off, that isWhich presumably it does occasionally.
>>532460710Are you vaccinated btw? Be honest.
>>532460958already another VAB thread up lol>>532460979no, as ive said over and over thats not what im doing at all. i know you like to think you ar the great detective noooticing everything and seeing through the contradiction, but you are not. you're just not listening to what ive said about this at all. the pattern is that you prefer your fantasy of being the amazing super sleuth seeing things that all other are blind to while not being able to understand a lot of what comes your way.>>532461134ah, of course, this typical connection. i'll answer honestly if you answer me honestly - do you think the earth is flat?i never took a vaxx or a test and got hassle for not masking up.
>>532461427The Earth is a sphere and everybody knows that flat earthers are well poisoners they're much more aligned with team moon landing than they are with team skeptic.So you're not vaccinated are you some kind of vaccine denier? You know there's a consensus that the vaccines work and are safe and that you should have one are you trying to say that with all of our scientific evidence you still refuse to get one. After all it's extremely plausible that they work and there is lots of scientific evidence. Anyway, seriously, good for you for not being vaccinated, but have you ever had a conversation with somebody who sincerely believes that you should be vaccinated? You might start to understand what it's like arguing with somebody who really believes we went to the Moon.
>>532461812Flat Earth isn't well poisoning. It's veritable fact.
>>532461427dont cuck on the vax shit all that stuff was bullshit too and they were wrong about every thing. now they can push any schizo rightoid conspiracy theory and say you were vaxxed if you dont fan their balls about that too. covid stuff was the gateway drug to all sorts of dumbass shit that has nothing to do with actual politics
Canadian Jew hates this webm specifically.>if globehead "curvature" was correct, the city would be completely invisible
>>532461812>some kind of vaccine denier?ive read enough from qualified medical professionals to have my doubts and as such have not vaccinated my kids, so you can be sure ive taken the issue seriously.can you say the same about your moon landing skepticism? which aerospace, physics or biology profressionals have you read in order to inform your position on this issue?and yes, i have. i also am on the creationist side when it comes to origin of life, so im well aware. but even on that issue there are many many professional working scientists who believe God made everything. do you now see the comparison?
