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>Comrade President and Supreme Commander Vladimir Putin, the Lugansk People's Republic has been fully liberated with all remaining AfU liquidated; Battlegroup North Stormtroopers liberate Verkhnyaya Pisarevka in Kharkov, Battlegroup East/VDV liberate Boikovo in Zaporozhye - https://archive.today/35Rgx
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>german emergency bake
danke
Z
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The C-130s' propeller blade shattered in a way consistent with a crash. The blades are made out of kevlar and carbon fiber so they shatter on impact with the ground. I'll post a pic of a crash for comparison next.
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>>532472871
Thanks for the bread.
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Another video from the crash site
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bretty gud emergency bake and death to all infidels
happy easter
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goooood evening 4 years in
>Explosions are rumbling, a massive attack on Crimea and Kuban is underway
>Air defense forces have been repelling a Ukrainian attack in Krasnodar Krai for more than two hours, and are also shooting down drones in Crimea.
>The enemy is attacking Sevastopol, Novorossiysk, Anapa, Sochi, Gelendzhik, and the Slavyansk district.
>At least three waves of drone attacks have been repelled.
>Local residents report that more than 20 explosions have occurred from the side of the Black Sea.
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>any landing you can swim away from...
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>>532473094
>>532473214
Happy Easter Z! Talmud denounced!
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>>532473632
Christ has risen.
Also deeply unserious creature
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any cool footage?
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>C-130 crashed
I think Austria anons post about the search and rescue tactics used by US special forces were they would carry the lighter helicopters to an improvised runway was compelling.
The only thing is that his post of the training exercise had them landing on a highway.
But at the site in Iran I can't see any tarmac.
I'm thinking that the "improvised" runway on the mission was a lot rougher than anticipated, or a mistake was made on landing site, and this damaged the planes and helicopters on landing and they required a second team to go in and rescue the first team.
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>>532474665
>I'm thinking that the "improvised" runway
It's an actual air strip
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2217168,51.9019854,789m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDQwMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
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>In Mala Rybitsa, Sumy oblast, two Ukrainian military trucks and a towed artillery piece came under precise strikes from Russian drone operators.
>The convoy was attempting to transport supplies and a towed howitzer towards Myropolye, which is under fire since Russians seized the town of Oleksandriya.
Video: https://t.me/armycorp44/737
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>There's a runway there
That doesn't discount the planes being damaged on landing. I mean the ground looks pretty rough around the wreckage site
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>FPV drones destroying Frankenstein-SAM air defense systems and other Ukrainian Armed Forces equipment.
Video: https://t.me/divgen/79788
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>>532472871
Glory to Russia
Z
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>>532475191
It's a short strip(1200m), if one got fucked up on landing I doubt the one behind it would also land there if it had another option.
I think they both took fire on approach and crash landed.
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>>532475126
I hate this so unnecessary that guy already surrendered. Looked like a based uncle that hands you a beer when you're down.
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>>532475407
Look at those cheeky drones go
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>>532475459
Sure, could of been fired upon and caused it to crash land.
>land at the same time
Maybe, maybe not
They most likely had a number of backup teams ready to go in for such an event.
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>>532475876
I think that's the first time one of those Buk to Sea Sparrow conversions got hit by an FPV drone instead of a lancet/artillery.
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>>532475958
KEK
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>Four MH-6 Little Bird helicopters used in the rescue mission in Iran were intentionally destroyed by U.S. forces, according to ABC News.
>The helicopters had been used to ferry U.S. military personnel from the improvised landing strip south of Isfahan, where the MC-130J’s had landed, to the mountainous area where the F-15E crewmember was located.
>Boeing is ending production of its MH-6 Little Bird light helicopter after fulfilling a current contract with Thailand, citing a lack of orders.
RIP
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>>532475876
Russian drone videos are always comfy and actually take out expensive equipment instead of random men
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>>532475787
He is clearly already critically wounded, probably will bleed out anyway suffering extreme pain, so sometimes in that case the FPV operator does a favor
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>>532475407
>Frankenstein-SAM
>>532475876
that just looks like a BUK, but missiles are half the sizes of the original ones
wtf are those?
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>Jewish Disinformation
They did the exact same thing with the fake missile attack on Diego Garcia and attacks on Crete.
What are the jews hoping to achieve here?
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>Frankenstein-SAM
Top kek
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>>532475787
He got fucked up by a previous drone strike that killed two other soldiers. The second one was to finish him off.
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>>532475456
Woooo! Z!
>>532476454
Hard to tell from the drone footage alone but I can see that Russian soldiers can't get themselves in danger in these situations so they can't reach him to provide first aid.
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>>532476521
Ukraine is running sunning short on BUK missiles so a plan was made to frankenstein launchers to fire US made RIM-7 Sea Sparrow ship-borne short-range anti-air missiles.
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Happy Easter all, look what the jews have in store for us since nobody wants to lead us into a pogrom.
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well, CHUG, what will it be?
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>>532476307
>Four MH-6 Little Bird helicopters used in the rescue mission in Iran were intentionally destroyed by U.S. forces, according to ABC News.
Any word on where they were "intentionally" destroyed?
If the mission went as smoothly as they claimed then the helicopters would be unpacked from the c-130s fly to the site of the downed f15 pilot, pick him up, and then fly back to safe territory (presumably in Iraq).
Unless they held the c-130 on the runway and waited for the helicopters to return back?
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>>532476973
show the fucking authors name
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>>532476521
>wtf are those?
sea sparrows, hohols have been strapping all kind of missiles onto buk TELs, ever since they ran out of 9M3x missiles.
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>>532477056
the Cool Proofster
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>>532476763
That first death is a bit depressing desu
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>>532476973
jews residing in Israel are by far the largest group of people trafficking human organs, btw. The New York Times itself reported it.
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>https://www.rt.com/russia/637386-ukraine-drone-attack-grain-vessel/
we're all trying to find the man who did this!
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>>532477077
go fucking clip it yourself then, besides it's a jew guaranteed
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>>532477077
Two jeets.

https://archive.ph/mdZuu
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>>532472871
My friend the s o y man is literally running around town naked. That happens to be political.
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>>532477066
They were destroyed next to the c-130.
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2 weeks and hoholinas will surrender
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here's a whitepill
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anyone seen thaifren?
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different opinion:
>There’s a possibility that the large number of assets deployed and the use of that abandoned airfield served a purpose beyond a simple pilot rescue.
>The details surrounding the F-15 crew recovery don’t fully add up. Why would such an operation require multiple C-130s, each capable of carrying 60–70 troops, just to extract one or two aircrew members, along with a small number of personnel from a downed rescue helicopter?
>This scale of deployment suggests something more substantial. It’s possible that special forces were operating from a temporary forward base, with the C-130s supporting a broader mission rather than a straightforward rescue.
>The biggest thing to note is that they operated out of coordinates (32.221360, 51.901322), making use of an old agricultural runway as a staging point. Notably, this location is only about 40 km from the Isfahan Nuclear Technology Center where (According to International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Rafael Grossi) nearly half of Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile is believed to be stored in an underground tunnel complex at this site.
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>>532477540
Looks staged desu
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>>532477548
Only the wagie. The drunkard is gone.
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All day bad news today
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>>532477376
And why risk landing four helicopters to pick up 1 downed pilot?
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Pig if true
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>>532477540
No way.
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>>532477681
Its over ...
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>>532477644
That’s a man.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXeLUcwj1hs

World Reknown journalist Turan Ysar has a bomb shell breaking new report. A Russian commander joined the Ukrainian army and betrayed Russia! He eliminated 7 Russian targets!
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>>532477621
Ritter says the kikes had surveyed the airstrip before the 12 day war to use for a raid on Natanz.
Apparently the C-130s landed, and the specops left on the littlebirds to get the weapons officer but when they came back everyone started taking fire and the planes could've also been stuck in the sand but who knows.
They they were picked up by 2-3 C-295s which are lighter.
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>>532477253
>it's basically going over how in America, when you are a consenting organ donor, and they start unhooking you from life support to take you apart, but hook you to a machine which will pump oxygenated blood to your organs so they don't wither, it can restore your heartbeat and you are officially alive again and this creates legal problems
wow it's fucking nothing
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To the last Ukrainian!
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>>532477940
Youre a man
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>>532476928
They have been talking about Frankensam since 2022 but this is the first one I've seen. Back then articles made it seem like Sparrow missiles were practically interchangeable with 9M38.
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>>532477819
>Biden, Kallas or von der Leyen are the result of such a cross
It's definitely Venti though
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>>532476895
Just switched internet providers.
The new captcha sucks...
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>>532478469
tell me about it, my gym phone is stuck in forever solve 3 mode
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>>532478563
Is this trve
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>>532478340
bitch has jaw like Henry Cavill and those tits are fake as fuck
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>>532478798
And real women piss and shit and their pussy bleeding every month so what
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>>532478984
women are fucking disgusting
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>>532479118
amen
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>>532479118
That bitch is hot as fuck. You’re a gay dude, anon.
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>be ziggers
>be told new baker needed
>repeat again at limit
>ziggers sit and piss and wait until bread gets archived before link posted
thats it. no more ziggers. i have a plan. lets rename the ukraine to RUSSIA and reunite it with RUSSIA and move capital to KIEV. ziggers are fucking useless and need a superior race governing them like Khrushev
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>>532477644
this niggas house needs to be search and destroyed asap
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r/ugh is botted as fuck tonight, lmao
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>>532479118
A woman is like a flower
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will mutts ever learn?
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>>532478469
I think its alright. The pattern is more or less always the same and I feel it like the captchas get easier after a while.
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>>532477745
You should have learned from Ukraine that war isn't about what is happening, it's about what people think is happening. Rescuing the pilot, even at the cost of lives and equipment, makes for a compelling film narrative (this will almost certainly be made into a film now). Heroic, movie-like "no man left behind god bless America" stuff for propaganda. This war will go for years, and the film is already in production, so in a year or two there will be a recruitment drive with the Eagle Down movie as the centrepiece.

>See, we're not like those eastern subhumans! We will do everything in your power to get you home!

It's similar to how Ukraine would hype up assaults and missions with fucking trailers and teaser posts. The west is genuinely brain poisoned by its own hubris.
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Does anyone has the 4ChanXT addon site? I've been using $chanX forever but apparently it does reduce the size of .webms so they can be posted instantly
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Dozo https://www.4chan-x.net/
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>>532480744
Holy shit, my flag is Chilean now (I'm the Colombian guy). Must be Starlink stuff
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>>532479514
Wait until you find out that the French is a leftist anarcho-communist drawfag, the British owner of the Patreon is an Israel shill, the Latvia flag is an airman deployed to Riga, the Romania and Bulgaria flags are BNWO hypno sissy faggots and one tranny called Raven, the Czech flag is a homosexual O9A kosher neo“nazi” who makes memes about loving penis, what else? Is it over yet? They convene at Mariverse Discord and @ukr_pics Telegram chat. Last but not least goremutt is a mulatto from Toronto. Very organic, right?
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>>532480904
I have that addon, But I've heard of another one that I think is 4chanXT that has more stuff, like file resize
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>>532479890
I think it normalizes after the site if familiar to your IP. Still annoying right now.
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>>532480914
Why do you use Starslop?
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>>532481113
I live in a farm in buttfuck nowhere. No internet lines here.
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>>532481210
Dangerously based.
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>>532480957
now that's a BAND I couldn't even name
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaKT7Q4NXm0

Putin's last ally Iran ends soon. Trump has officially now announced that Iran will be destroyed on Tuesday!
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>>532475787
>faking death is surrendering...
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>>532475126
i know it looks harsh, and it is, but these are mercy killings. hes already drenched in blood, at least 10-15 km away from any medical help and maybe the last of his unit... gonna let him bleed out while having agonizing pain?

also dont forget to repost these vids to your EU-zoomercoomer gamer-bros - because thatll be their destiny if the transatlantic lakeys of the US get their way - 2030 at the latest.
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>>532481615
s1mple is playing with electronic again, and that’s based
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>>532481535
I FUCKING CANNOT
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>>532481696
Your totally organic /pol/ general, fellow anon.
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>>532481692
https://vxtwitter.com/x9hibee/status/2040835024711294998
go my navilings
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>>532481883
fuck. meant to post https://xcancel.com/x9hibee/status/2040835024711294998
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>>532477745
How many would you suggest? Given that each little bird has a limited crew carrying capacity. Given that there's a good chance you may come under fire and need to fight back. Given that one or more may get damaged/have mechanical failure.

Two is one, one is none etc.
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>>532479890
>I feel it like the captchas get easier after a while.
thats right, they have a pitty-system now, just like in the gacha games.. my last captcha didnt had a ticking clock anymore.
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unpopular opinion: iran should refrain from doing the social media shit for twitter upvotes. reals Gs move in silence
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>>532480547
>2 years
will people even be able to pay for those movie tickets?
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>>532480547
>"no man left behind god bless America"

is quite funny, since they left dozen of pilots in Vietnam.
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nophono cares about Ukraine anymore.
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>>532482285
Are you saving your money for what’s coming?
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>>532482355
I'm a broke NEET subsisting off my parent's like a piece of coral attached to the sea floor.

Whatever happens at this point is beyond my control
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>>532480547
OURS, Thank God :pray::heart: GLORY TO THE USA :pray::heart: A GUARDIAN ANGEL FOR EACH OF YOU :pray::heart: GOD, PROTECT THE USA :pray::heart: THANK YOU, OUR BOYS :pray::skin-tone-2::heart: :flag-us: FOR SUPPORTING OURS — YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT AWAY, OUR BIG GUY :flag-us::flag-us::muscle: Operation Epic Fury, GLORY TO YOU, LORD :flag-us::flag-us::flag-us::muscle::fire::fire: Operation Epic Fury, MAY THE LORD PROTECT YOU :fire::muscle::muscle::flag-us: OUR LIVELY ONE — YOU CAN SPOT OUR BOYS FROM AFAR :flag-us::flag-us::flag-us::flag-us::muscle::muscle::muscle::muscle::muscle: WE DON’T ABANDON OUR OWN :flag-us::flag-us::flag-us::flag-us::flag-us::flag-us::flag-us::flag-us::flag-us::muscle::muscle: GLORY TO GOD Operation Epic Fury :pray::heart: GLORY TO Operation Epic Fury :pray::heart: A GUARDIAN ANGEL FOR Operation Epic Fury TO EACH OF YOU :pray::heart: GOD, PROTECT Operation Epic Fury :pray::heart: THANK YOU, OUR Operation Epic Fury :pray::skin-tone-2::heart: :flag-us: PROTECT Operation Epic Fury :fist::flag-us::100: THANK YOU, OUR BOYS :pray::skin-tone-2::heart: :flag-us: FOR SUPPORTING Operation Epic Fury
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>>532482089
On principle this is true, but that's not how warfare has ever worked, especially in the modern day. Pumping out unverifiable and insane lies like the Ukrainians killing 14 Russians per dead Ukrainian is extremely important for morale and psychological warfare. Deception and propaganda are almost as important as actual combat and strategic actions.

I have met people, IRL, who genuinely believe every piece of western and Ukrainian propaganda about the 3 -Day-SMO, which in and of itself is a propaganda meme. I have met people IRL who still believe the Ghost of Kiev was real. I have met people who believe that old man shot down a fighter jet with a shotgun. I have met people who genuinely believe that Russia is bussifying its male population and that random drone footage is proof of who is "winning" or "losing", and that kind of intentional misinformation and fog of war helps maintain public support for the war. "A lie runs around the world while the truth is still tying its shoelaces" or something to that effect.
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>Following the joint U.S.-Israeli attack on the Mahshahr petrochemical complex in Iran, local media are flooded with reports of casualties. According to reports by the publication "Moj Ahvaz," the strike caused catastrophic destruction and numerous casualties among the plant's staff, and the actual death toll significantly exceeds official reports. A state of emergency has also been declared in the region due to a toxic gas leak, and residents are fleeing the city of Mahshahr in a panic, fearing chemical poisoning.

Well here we go, will be funny this week when the whole middle east will become inhospitable.
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>>532479118
>women are fucking disgusting
troons arent better, kike - the even got additional bleeding and puss and dont even have a natural pussy..

real woman at least give you pussy reimbursement most days in a month for all the shit, piss, blood and mensstrual horrorshow + chance of offspring.
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>>532482419
I mean, you can always help them to manage their money and stuff. Recession and unemployment are going to be brutal. But at least you’re not one of those poor bastards from East Asia who are going to get gasoline and diesel shortages.
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>>532482468
whoever deals with American government before all of it is replaced with normal people, needs to be fucking culled
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>>532482205
That's an opportunity in and of itself, the state can easily foot the bill and make the movie free while every other film is a luxury to view. This will drive people to see it, especially if it's a well produced, high quality film with Hollywood actors in it. In a few years, everything enjoyable will be unaffordable, so the promise of a war epic to distract people for a while will be very enticing.

Funding a movie where Chris Pratt makes a heroic final stand against meatwaves of Iranian suicide jihadists in order to get ONE PILOT home before calling a missile strike on himself and looking at a picture of his wife and kids will be worth the 100-200 million. Also, the Iranians will realise that the evil Russian and Chinese advisors who told them to do meatwave tactics don't have their best interests at heart and the heroic anti-government faction will start to foment rebellion after seeing how many of their men are slaughtered by just ONE brave American.
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>>532482468
Grass will never grow there again
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cunny
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>>532481535
>shartyspeak
god will make them suffer for eternity
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How would you hide an air defense system in Iran?
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good evening how is going
https://youtu.be/jUsWbDwSZfQ
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>>532483399
I'd build a bunch of schools for girls and hospitals nearby and assume the Americans will bomb those instead of the military materiel.
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10 minutes till oil markets
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>>532483135
What shartyspeak is in there?
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>>532483399
build a parking lot named "ultra weapon killing niggers military" and let the AI system shoot at it for weeks
>>532483624
"gemmy"
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>>532483624
I reckon gemmy
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>>532483700
>>532483782
What is gemmy?
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>>532483700
I bet one day not too far off that's exactly how we're going to fight AI
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Perhaps the real GAE was the cracked we met along the way.
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>>532483879
Gemmy is "good", "coal" is bad.
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>>532484003
Coal?
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>>532483879
shartyfags are 12yo kids groomed by trannies and bbcposters so they need the ultra cool lingo that 4chan has, so instead of Based they use "gem" and instead of cringe they use "coal" they also purposely speak like mentally retarded indians
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>>532484003
and /ptg/ is pure brimstone
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>>532483399
Small circle shaped underground bunkers. With thin automated doors above them that can be opened up. A platform beneath the air defense system that works like a elevator that can go either higher or deeper. Camouflaged with sand. Have the bottom of the sand be sand-colored armor and on top a thin layer of actual sand.
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>>532483511
Hi
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>>532484054
That sounds rather coal of them.
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>>532484054
/uhg/ is winning
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this nigger doesnt know about IDs
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>>532484158
Ustaše su izdajnici Hrvatske i Hrvatskog naroda !
Da nije bilo partizana današnja Hrvatska nebi postojala
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>>532484517
do you have a repo for these I can check out?
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>>532484622
The destruction of israel and death of all jews would solve a lot of problems.
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>>532484517
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im grabbing some anyone want anything?
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>>532484919
Looks like a table at the gun show.
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>>532484919
are those Hitler chess pieces or Hitler stamps?
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>>532484919
Why does Ukraine use the Eisernes Kreuz?
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>>532484834
>The destruction of israel and death of all jews would solve a lot of problems.
True
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>>532484891
Uoh.
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>>532484919
Larp the country
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>>532485046
we are the 4th reich
hitler didnt die, he fled to lvov, took name gitlerko and patiently waited
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>>532485185
does that lady have a penis?
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>>532484919
The Punisher logos really bring it together.
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>>532484919
I'd certainly take an Eagle statue or an Iron Cross with golden rays.
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>>532477540
Busifiers are the biggest scum.
That's just incredible.
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Russians have lost another great number of jets! SU-34 shot down by Ukrainian army and completely destroyed !
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>>532484812
there used to be a mega folder with all the fanart people did, but it was taken down some time ago, dunno if somebody has an archive online
was going to say i only have the ones i rew myself but aparently i dont have them anymore huh
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>>532484919
i saw you on the tube yesterday
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>>532485196
>gitlerko
that sounds incredibly fucking gay
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>>532485231
Ladies dont have penis, they have meat hole
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>>532485633
with you its not that clear cut
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>>532479395
Moving the capital to Kiev is an interesting idea. The only problem is that it's way less defensible than Moscow from land invasions.
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>>532485709
I dont look at my waifu's futa penis because Im not a homosexual, unlike you almost always obsessed with it
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>>532484919
Send me a cute hoholina
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>>532485819
I could split you in half
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https://www.inerton.kiev.ua/Krasnoholovets_7th_Vigier(2010)_.pdf

To those of you who doubt Ukrainian achievements, I recently learned that a Ukrainian physisist, Volodymyr Krasnoholvets, discovered a new fundamental particle field in physics, the inerton field, which has a connection to Ukraine.
This fields holds all organic and inorganic particles together in the universe.
Krasnoholovets is also a historian who worked together with Yuri Shilov.
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>>532484622
Wut ? I am confused.
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>>532481979
sleep tight, pigger
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>>532485961
Krasnoholovets also discovered that the native american tribe on the Comanche originated in Ukraine.
This discovery was confirmed by Yuri Shilov!
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>>532485880
>чypoк
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>>532485880
You will die of fear just from my aura. Fuck off
>>532485911
>Ukrainian achievements
Picrel at very best
>>532486065
Mosfilm
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Wouldn't be a normal day on here without seeing ancestral hated between slavs.
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>>532485961
>>532486105
I am an extreme fan of ukranda schizoposting.

Never stop posting these my fellow turkic friend
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>>532486065
it's like those niggas shooting each other with roman candles to harry potter music
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>>532486287
You wish, Ukrainians are far more advanced in science than Vatniks.
https://www.academia.edu/74240434/The_Tessellattice_of_Mother_Space_The_Tessellattice_of_Mother_Space_as_a_Source_and_Generator_of_Matter_and_Physical_Laws
Read this, a Ukrainian physist derived new laws of the source of matter, it is called the Tessellattice of Mother-Space which causes matter to exist.
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happy eastern russhits
you lost
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>>532485958
https://youtu.be/iKsIHq9tqUc
https://youtu.be/dNXyHwkdLAQ
https://youtu.be/mxRNyBrO5_0
https://youtu.be/6YbuQWBRfe0
https://youtu.be/6YbuQWBRfe0
https://youtu.be/Kkjzb14_W5Y
https://youtu.be/0MkIPt6Ns0s
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>>532485961
I would like to see Russians disprove this discovery, the Inerton particle has not been disproven !
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>>532486504
How can an agglomeration of peoples be so cringe?
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>>532486504
lel, cheeky bastards
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I think its over
>>532486503
They wasnt even able to keep their shit together after the collapse of USSR. Even fucking Kazakhstan have more stable government institutes
>vatnik
Hohols are vatniks also, but I guess you dont even know the history of that word. As expected from turd
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>>532486504
Huge peremoga
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https://www.academia.edu/74240358/Nanocomposites_for_Decontamination_of_Multicomponent_Technogenic_Dilutions

A group of Ukrainian scientists let by Krasnoholovets also developed a way to docontaminate technogenic dilutions using nanocomposites.
I'd like to see a similar accomplishment by the Russians !
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>>532486730
Rootless cosmopolitans.
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>>532486580
Imma try to watch.
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>>532486504
why waste good eggs ?
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>>532486504
This is the biggest peremoga that ukraine has had in years
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>>532486504
nigga just wasted 3 dollars worth of eggs...
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>>532487278
he is sending a message
it reads "I'm fucking retarded"
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Zelenskyy decided to remind everyone of his position:

> 1. The problem with the Russians is that they love to talk about compromises, but never actually make them. I am 100% convinced that the Russians want to completely occupy us. If we give in, Russia will strengthen its position in Ukraine and begin preparing for further occupation.
> 2. Ukraine could help with the Strait of Hormuz, but there was no request.
> 3. Russia provided Iran with satellite intelligence on Israel's power grid—a total of about 50-53 facilities. This helps Iran launch strikes. This is civilian infrastructure with no military purpose.
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>>532487641
kek, can't be more obvious that people play that shit hard.
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new update dropped
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Clown Show
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>>532487903
yeah.... the "iranian civilians" they are talking about is the diaspora that DOESN'T lives in Iran... of course they want the bombs everywhere.
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>>532487903
>living in absolute hell!
>Mr President, thats Ohio
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>>532487903
>people hate the regime more than they hate running water and electricity
>that's why the revolution won't start until they don't have running water and electricity

makes sense.
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Victoria base in Baghdad has had a raging fire for more than an hour after drone strikes. Earlier gunfire was reported from inside the base. There's going to come a tipping point and a storming of the base at some point.
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>>532488306
makes sense to me too
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>>532485046
Nigger.
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what's up with all the insane cope coming out of /ptg/?
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>WTI crude oil futures have jumped to over $115 per barrel as of now, 7pm EST.
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>>532487877
What the Actual?! It costs $30 million Freedom Dollars for a shitty Reaper drone, but less than $20 million for a Warthog? I feel like we're being scammed by the companies that produce equipment for our military.
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>Two MC-130 transport aircraft suffered "critical mechanical failures",

Ah yes...
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>>532488375
Who is going to storm the base? Iranians? :LMAO
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Reuters has written an article about the said rescue operation of the WSO of the downed F15 strike Eagle, according to an "unnamed" source,

The clandestine mission to rescue a downed American Weapons Systems Officer (WSO) in the heart of Iran nearly ended in a "catastrophic loss" of elite forces this weekend. While the mission was ultimately successful, new details reveal a high-stakes gamble after a mechanical failure left over 100 U.S. commandos stranded deep within enemy territory.

The Mission: In and (Almost) Out
Under the cover of darkness on Sunday, approximately 100 Special Operations forces executed a precision insertion into the rugged terrain south of Tehran. Their objective: a U.S. Colonel and WSO who had been evading capture since his F-15E Strike Eagle was downed by Iranian air defenses on Friday.

The Save: Commandos scaled a 7,000-foot ridge to reach the officer, who was hiding in a hilltop crevice with a sprained ankle.

To avoid an Iranian "honey pot" or ambush, the airman had to provide specific authentication codes to the rescue team before they would commit to the extraction.
Simultaneously, the CIA ran a "smoke and mirrors" campaign, planting false intelligence that the airman had already been moved to keep Iranian search parties off the actual trail.

The operation hit a near-fatal snag at the rendezvous point. Two MC-130 transport aircraft suffered "critical mechanical failures", leaving them unable to take off from the makeshift desert landing strip.

"If there was a 'holy shit' moment, that was it,"


a U.S. official told Reuters.

With the sun rising and the risk of discovery skyrocketing, commanders were forced into a desperate backup plan:
Additional aircraft were diverted into Iranian airspace to pull the commandos and the WSO out in stages.

Scorched Earth: To prevent sensitive technology from falling into Iranian hands, U.S. forces destroyed the two "disabled" MC-130s and four additional helicopters on-site before the final retreat.
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>>532488562
It’s their death rattle after almost 10 years astroturfing this board.
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>>532487649
>Ukraine could help with the Strait of Hormuz, but there was no request.
So, it appears Ukraine is not that skilful when they don't have TCC to kidnap everyone from the street to the front line.
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>>532488562
>Iranians must view US technology like how we on /pol/ view alien technology
Indeed. Like how we view the Roswell incident. Overhyped trash crashing and burning in the middle of nowehere.
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>>532488698
>with a sprained ankle
So he got shot and bombed by Basij, because Trump said he’s in the ICU almost dying.
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>>532488698
>"critical mechanical failures"
Looks like the farmers and the local basij were giving them hell even under Reaper and Little bird fire.
They'll still try to spin this as some expendables hollywood shit.
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>>532488656
A-10 doesn't cost anything, they stopped making them 40 years ago
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Niggerstinians and itranians suck zuttjeet niggerdick in shitskin hell.
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>>532488887
Better off counting stuff like that as material rather than cost desu
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>>532487903
>Eagleman
This is him by the way.
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>>532488742
They still sent some "experts". And I bet these arent the same bussified men, probably some fat hruks who was in high position back home
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>>532488887
If they do not produce them anymore, that actually makes their value become invaluable, as no amount of money can purchase anymore. That is a major problem with a lot of modern U.S. weaponry; not that it costs a lot to produce, but instead that no amount of money will allow us to purchase anymore of them.
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>>532489026
What a massive faggot, lmao
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>>532489026
>how to eat a banana the most illogical way possible
>also
>starbucks
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>>532489115
or maybe it's just outdated shit with no tactical purpose anymore other than terrorising goatherders
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>>532489115
I was baffled by reaper as well at first. but my guess "cost" is how much the did cost back then when was ordered. so it just inflation
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>“The IDF does not have the capability to destroy the missile cities of the Revolutionary Guards.” — Israeli media quoting an Air Force source
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>>532489383
so is reaper
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>>532489026
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>>532489408
looooolllllllllll

that's so pathetic, last chance is full blown mutt invasion and when that fails it's officially over for pissrael
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>“Hezbollah military experts and Iranian counterparts arrived in Ansarullah-controlled Yemen through the port of al-Hudaydah.” — Aden al-Ghad
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>>532489383
Outdated, yes. Useless, no. 30mm Brap Brap gun is still useful, and the Warthog can carry a stupid amount of bombs and rockets. It just sucks at air-supremacy or advanced air defense systems.
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>>532489556
???

What is West navy doing? If they are lying then why are they humiliating themselves?
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>>532489519
I didn’t even know that they had “missile cities”. I thought that it was merely a chain of deep underground military bases connected by tunnels, like the U.S. has in the Southwest and West Coast.
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>>532487903
I dislike Carney, so please carpet bomb my town. That'll show the Ottawa libs
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>>532487877
> SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION FOR ONE PLANE
How is that even real
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>>532489453
at worst existing reapers can fly in to lure out AA while distracting ground forces and taking potshots
in normal conditions if you try to use A10 for the same purpose it's crew ought to turn their guns against their superiors and 911 them instead of following orders but maybe mutts are just like us
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>>532487903
This stupid orange cheeto should read Kissinger’s books to better understand how regime change works. What an absolute knucklehead, dimwit imbecile.
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>>532489709
>GEDEEPEEE goes BRRRRRR
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>>532488698
>100 commandos
>to rescue one guy

seems like the theory that there were multiple operations going on at the same time is becoming more real as time passes.
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No idea how America is going to absorb the losses from this invasion
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>>532489709
U.S. contractors charge insane amounts for everything, because they know that they can easily rip off the American people through the government. Add to the fact that so few of these planes are produced, that each one is likely custom fabricated and include HUGE costs of Research and Development.
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>>532489026
absolute faggot holy shit
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>>532489026
I did not think there was a gayer way to eat a banana than the regular way. Apparently I was wrong.
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>>532487877
E-3 Sentry surveillance aircraft goes for 700 million dollars? How in the fuck?
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>>532489114
>oh no no no
just told tell him that znat (knowing) and poznat (to be aware of a object or action/to know) is also a proper word both in Czech, Slovak and Polish(?) languages.
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>>532489758
Reapers are pure trash, the A-10 can at least withstand a hit or two and remain flying.
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>>532489026
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>>532489026
Sir, are you attempting to kill me with cringe, because I think you may succeed... X(
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>take a short 2 months break
>furfat went (even more) insane in the meantime
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>>532490036
>Reapers are pure trash
Fragility-wise? No doubt. But they’re reliable and efficient. It was designed in the 90’s, so yeah.
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>>532488375
it's fine
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>>532490187
Why the fuck does two thirds of this general goes AWOL between December and March, every single fucking year? I genuinely wanna know.
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>>532489847
Ritter said that the air strip had already been scouted by mossad for a Natanz op back before the 12 day war so they knew about it and that they recycled the plan for the rescue. He also said that they had to come in with a bunch of C-295s to get them all out after the C-130s suffered "mechanical failure" and he was right about that so I don't doubt the Natanz story even though Scott is dodgy at times.
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>>532489847
I presume anything said is bullshit. you kind of can see it "CIA ran a "smoke and mirrors" campaign, planting false intelligence that the airman had already been moved " so is anything else said or planted into media by "anonymous official familiar". You cant try to reverse engineer some from clues on the ground if you care but not from words
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>>532490314
Dunno, I'm just allergic to muttoid faggot LARPers who greet /chug/ with banderite slogans, personally. The moment he shows up, I'm gone again.
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>>532490187
silence stupid zigger
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>>532490314
we fly south?
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>>532490482
>I'm just allergic to muttoid faggot LARPers who greet /chug/ with banderite slogans
Who is this?
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>jews strike iranian petrochemical plant
>everything in the ME goes up inflames related to
petrochemistry

FAFO again
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>>532490489
t. man who didn't even managed to escape from tarkov
couldn't be me
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>>532490573
The one guy who make me wish that 2022 rule about no 5 eyes countries flags among bakers would still be in place.
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>>532490699
You got beef with one of the Americans who bake?
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lets say Iran nukes Tel Aviv and the kikes in their desperation use the Samson option on every european city and some US cities, what would be the world's response?
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>>532490260
they just requested help from Iraqi firefighters and allowed them on base, a first.
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>>532490581
looks like that strait won't even need to open after all
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>>532490818
>Samson option on every european city and some US cities
this is bullshit
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>>532490814
I don't think he actually baked a single bread since like 2024 tho.
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>>532490818
a real holocaust and even better than in their fantasy
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>>532490237
Costs $30 million... efficient. They better be getting the best fuel mileage in world history and require next to $0 in maintenance.
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>>532490879
Kek. So I’m guessing it’s Nagatoro. What did he do to anger you?
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>>532490381
>Ritter said
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>>532490918
They’re not cost-effective, that’s for sure. But they do the job — intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance.
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>>532490314
I go AWOL between threads for several weeks, because I have a life? I'll check in from time to time, but I typically don't have that much to add. When you become older, time moves more swiftly. What felt like days, now becomes months, months pass as swiftly as years, before you know it you haven't spoken with your best friend for over a decade.
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>>532490820
either that or let it burn to a crisp
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>>532490964
Didn't I already written it tho?
>muttoid faggot LARPers who greet /chug/ with banderite slogans
Could also add
>incapable of comprehending info without writing it in reddit script and copypaste for hundreds of times
>engage every single low hanging shill there is with those retarded strings of text as if they even mean anything
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>>532491078
He was right this time.
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>>532490581
Cheesy crust! FAFO to the nth degree! Iran is not playing games! Every time the U.S.A. strikes Iran, they hit back at least just as hard, if not worse!
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>>532490237
it mission profile presume it could loiter for tens of hours and not be detected or shot at. made to harass goat hoarer "terrorists". as one way drone it is overpriced
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>>532491125
I’m always arm-wrestling against time, to be quite honest. Whether it’s going for nootropics, fasting, taking a lot of time to myself and telling Mr. Shekelberg to go fuck himself sideways. And reading /pol/ for a couple of hours is mandatory in my book.
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Questions for Rusanons.
Do you think the current goverment is being too soft with Ukraine?
All of these attacks in oil terminals and yet not a single military response by Russia that makes the UN or Europe beg for peace.
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So american commandos got shot down on the way into Iran, and they're coping pretending they "blew up their own plane" and "flew out with another"?
How retarded are these zogbots and their cheering squad?
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>>532491084
Does the job, not cost effective. In the business we call that... FIRED!! Doesn't matter how well something does a job if it costs twice as much as the job is worth.
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>>532491351
Overpriced and MIC-made are synonyms, I guess. It’s their whole business model. Corporations grifting taxpayers and bribing politicians.
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>>532491444
>"blew up their own plane"
Molotov cocktailed it. Every air crew actually have a bottle of vodka on hand for this specific occasion.
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>>532491147
State dept. now cried to Iraqi government to fulfill its responsibility to stop the attacks immediately.
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>i-it was just luck

kekerino
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>>532491651
oh fuck he's talking to reporters again
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>>532491394
do you suggest bombing Europe instead of Ukraine? instead of burning tanks there and these terminal will be useless or destroyed.
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>>532491506
That is why America will lose all modern wars. We've built our military around profitability instead of effectiveness. Companies only care about money, not about winning wars.
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>>532491651
I was shot with a gun but the fact that I died... unlucky
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>>532491444
if they learned anything from the last time they tried to do a covert mission in Iran, I think they probably already had other planes in the area ready incase something went wrong on the ground(like what happened during the Iran Hostage Crisis).
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>>532491394
I'm not Russian, but I at least understand why Russia isn't going Scorched Earth with Ukraine; It's, because Ukrainians are not that different than Russians and that completely destroying Ukraine would produce far greater problems than a prolonged war.
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>>532491444
at least there's no casualties right?
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>>532491728
Funny thing that theyre bringing peremiga as bombing oild refineries, which provide the tankers to EU countries lel. Ukranda is just retarded media manya that can do nothing serious, just from judging the prices and income increased for the last 4 years for russian budget
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>>532491394
Russians want to be seen as liberators not conquerors in Ukraine. If they just flatten entire cities or cut off too many resources then the civilian population doesn't just fight for Jewlensky but for what they perceive to be survival.
Not to mention that Ukraine is very closely related to Russia so I can imagine it resembles a civil war of sorts.
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>>532489709
US $1.5 Trillion dollar budget is akin of $150 Billion (or less) for any other nation.
Everything, from bolts and nuts to planes is extremelly overpriced. Wages alone are about at least 20% of the budget.
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Baking
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>>532491906
>it's april 2026 and if you find yourself on the same side of an argument a david fucking demorrow
The grimiest of a future I couldn't even imagined just half a year ago.
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>>532479118
but they are soft
and they smell good
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>>532491728
Not at all. Just saying that it is logical to respond to these attacks thus making deterrence effective.

Where are the attacks on Ukro refineries?
Where are the destruction of Ukro airports?
Where are the obliteration of Ukro ammo depots?

Nothing similar has happened since the start of the year, unless i missed something due to the Iran conflict
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>>532491922
>Ukranda is just retarded media manya
my hypothesis is cia is bombng eurobound energy. turk stream, druzba, ns, bombs in serbia, westbound terminals
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>>532492109
The real post is Diabeetus seething at Donny cause his protfolio was losing money but it's a good template for any retarded Orangeutan post.
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>>532492136
Its possible, but thats just hypothesis
https://youtu.be/xrmERlHUqBk?si=Om1e0ugx02c566yt
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>>532492076
>>532492076
>>532492076
>>532492076
Dozo
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>>532492126
ua and its infrastructure is bombed every day there no "deterrence" possible. we already in war for a while
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>>532473177
>>532473245
Somehow they did all this with 0 casualties.
But I expect the freak gardening accidents of US service members in the US will increase dramatically within the next weeks, just like after the capture of Maduro.
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>>532491728
>do you suggest bombing Europe instead of Ukraine?

That's what I've been suggesting for the past 4 years, in particular the past 6 months.
The whole "logic" behind not attacking Europe is to avoid their involvement in the CBO and to avoid triggering article 5, but despite Russia's effort that's clearly not working and Europe is actively involved.
Not only that, the ukrainian infrastructure might be mostly razed, but that's irrelevant when their weapon factories, warehouses, intel, goverment, energy is in Europe. You can keep wasting Gerans, Iskanders, Khinzals, Oreshiniks and even nuclear bombs on the ukraine all you want, you aren't really damangeing them.

Love Russia and hope you'll win, but something needs to be done about Putin. You guys need a real patriot in power.
Either fight for real or give up.
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>>532491884
Nah, he will be run over by a hot dog stand in a freak accident in Corpus Christi, TX within the next 14 days.
Don't spread Mullah régime propaganda.
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>>532491651
>>532491906
I agree, even retarded girls can down planes with the noob tube.
It shouldn't count as a kill at all.



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