Let's use basic supply and demand logic>More of something makes it less scarce>When something is less scarce, it's less valuable>Less of something makes it more scarce>When something is scarce, it's more valuableApply this to workers. If we have a bunch of immigrants coming into a country (The peak of which was 2022, where nearly 3,000 immigrants came in a day), that's 3,000 more workers that companies can choose from.Why would a company hire you, when instead they can just wait a day and have 3,000 new workers of the same skill level who would accept a lower pay comparable to their home country?The constant inflow of workers who accept low pay, drives the average pay even lower. Your wages will decrease in value while disposable income tightens like a knot.>Muh GDPThe GDP is only a marker of how valuable a country is through its wealthiest indicators. In fact it relies on cheap immigrant work so their profit margins inflate the GDP.Overall, immigration could be good to fill large gaps in a workforce, but when companies start to treat you as entirely disposable and don't care if you stay or go, that's when we need to start reevaluating.
>No immigration>Costs of labor rise>Goods and services get more expensiveBut nah that's fake bullshit, economics only goes 1 way
>>532570236There was never a gap in workforce. It's always bullshit. They were laying off American tech workers and outsourcing to 3rd worlders in the 00s. They got away with that and upped the ante to importing them here so they could fill more American jobs for dirt pay (while also satisfying ulterior motive agendas of the political elites).
>>532570439All of our goods come from china, and AI is quickly replacing a large swath of the service sector. Besides, immigrants make housing more expensive and increase health insurance costs.
you need to be an advanced migger to still be in denial about itif leftards dropped the whole nig-spic-troon-etc.... obsession and recognized nationalism they'd win in landslides across much of western countries but alas they have been coopted precisely to avoid the national socialism synthesis, hence you can only order internationalist gay nigger socialism or "national"(civnat slop) usurocracy
>>532570439>>No immigration>>Costs of labor rise>>Goods and services get more expensiveWhen a laborforce is a limited set of people, those people can easily lash back on stuff such as increasing prices.Walk-outs and strikes would become a lot more meaningful when you can't just import 3,000 people the next day to replace the people who are on strike.
>>532570236Uhmmm liberals are the party of the working class you zionist pig
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>>532570877IKRWhen I'm upset that my local mechanic is overcharging me I quit my unrelated job to force him to eat the cost of business.Sounds weird when I put it like that but believe me it just works
>>532570682>immigrants make housing more expensive and increase health insurance costs.They also make every single target and Walmart lock everything up behind plexiglass because they can't stop stealing. And let's not forget the fraud.Browns came here to loot our future and children's future. And to breed white women.
>>532570840>if leftards dropped the whole nig-spic-troon-etc.... obsessionLeftards are nigs, spics, and troons, at least here in the US. The consequence of importing diversity is politics becomes racially aligned.
The lefties have an answer to this where they claim that if we just organize hard enough we can take an infinite amount of workers and just force the evil capitalists to pay increasing wages because we just can.Just take in tens or hundreds of thousands of slave workers and then work really hard to defend their rights and inevitably evil capitalists will be defeated.
>>532570236No-one can actually explain why free movement of people is a bad thing without resorting to racism and exposing themselves. ""Borders"" are just social constructs. They aren't real. All humans should be free citizens of Earth allowed to roam wherever they please.
>>532570439>Costs of labor rise>Goods and services get more expensiveYes but, corporatecuck, you forgot>Wages maintain parity with rise due to labor competitivenessInb4>but we can't compete with ChinaWhich is why globalism was always destined to fail. Closed loop economics.
>>532571549God I wish I could just go to the UK countryside and fuck a 19yo farm girl right now. If only it wasn't for the pesky borders and laws.
>>532571175>Purposefully misconstrue my argumentGood one, Kike.>actually explain why free movement of people is a bad thing without resorting to racismHow is it racist? It's widely known Immigrants accept a lower pay. And even if that wasn't the case, a surplus of anything makes it far less valuable.We are in SUCH a surplus of the workforce right now that companies have literal bots go through applications to simply reject them. That's dystopian as fuck.
>>532570236>IMMIGRATION IS BAD FOR THE WORKING CLASSNOFUCKINGSHITSHERLOCK
>>532571715>God I wish I could just go to the UK countryside and fuck a 19yo farm girl right now.Just doing the jobs the natives won't do.
>>532571549are you forced to post this kind of stuff to make up for a prison sentence
>>532571549>All humans should be free citizens of EarthThat would give us complete freedom to eliminate scum like you from existing.
I'm tired of retards trying to sound not racist saying it's ok if it's legal. No immigration is ok as long as there are Americans able to fill those jobs. H1b visas are worse than illegal immigrants in a lot of ways because they're taking away jobs people actually want so they can pay some jeet pennies on the dollar.
>>532571489Yes, memeflag. The number of people in the country and wages decreasing are not causally linked.>>532571709The solution, no matter how much you hate it, is to demand a larger share of the pie from the employers. The problem is fucking insanely obvious: corpo fucks make too much money and they have too much influence. They shouldn't be allowed to buy back their own stocks to inflate the value of their enterprises, they shouldn't be allowed to buy insider information from ghouls in the House and Congress, and they shouldn't be allowed to own everything on the planet while offloading the costs and responsibilities to everyone else! Fix those things and you'll see everything improve. Lobbying and interest groups are another big issue. Fuckfaces like you distracting everyone with racism is another big issue. Immigration is the least negatively impactful form of outsourcing labor."Labor competitiveness" as a means to raise wages is a pretty funny joke; you should get into comedy.
>>532570236Immigration is great for the administrator class!Cheap labor, union busting, limited rights.What's not to love?
>>532571715That's the neat thing, you can.>>532572512That genuinely doesn't make any sense. You must be incredibly low IQ.
>>532572987>The number of people in the country and wages decreasing are not causally linked.kek good one saaaaaaar
>>532570236The average american is not smart enough to deduce this. The average american has not taken an economics course
>>532573040>low IQ.homosexual narcissist talk/phrase
>>532570236>>532570439
>>532572987>demand a larger share of the pie from the employers. The problem is fucking insanely obviousI agree with all the things you listed, but another thing is stated in my OPWith nearly 3,000 immigrants coming into the USA everyday, they could easily replace the workers wanting a larger piece of the pie with people who are just happy to get the federal minimum wage.The 3,000 coming in everyday completely debases American workers from having any footing to stand on. If they ever outcry, there's another village of new immigrants eagerly waiting to work for pennies.
>>532572987you molest kids and give ammo to greedy corporations by being for infinite "workers" coming to any country
>>532570236>Overall, immigration could be good to fill large gaps in a workforce, but when companies start to treat you as entirely disposable and don't care if you stay or go, that's when we need to start reevaluatingThe Republicans in the US originally opened the gates on labor immigration because they were angry at Truman for saying companies should pay Americans living wages.Reagan then opened the floodgates because he wanted to destroy Unions in the US.Bill Clinton oddly tried to shut it down, by sending the jobs to the third worlders rather than bringing the third worlders into the US.As overall this didn't work very well, the US now has the worst of both worlds as neither party wants to change it.
>>532570236Its funny how Pedophile Union leader Caesar Chavez hated border jumpers himself because he knew it would be a threat to Union Pay if people willing to work as scabs for dirt cheap.its nothing to do with being "Racist against Mexicans" when Chavez (A mexican) hated them as much as Trump
>>532573377>doesn't know history before 1990. kekKYS juden semite muslim fag. Allah is homosexual.
>>532570236Yeah, thats why Bernie was against it and his state is still 92% white.>>532570439>>532571175>>532572987This is what MIGA is. If you want to know what Capitalists think, here they are, immigration is good and makes BlackRock money guys! Winning!>>532573217Holy shit, what is this from? I want the source so I can spread this.
>>532570236Killing every single shit skin toddler world wide would singlehandedly solve 80% of the biggest problems humanity is facing today.
>>532573176>huur durr homophobiaI was arguing for the free movement of peoples but somehow you read that as the abolishment of prisons, or something? I don't even know, you seem very simple. For the record, criminals should still be prosecuted and jailed if they commit crimes. Obviously.
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>>532573491The source is Alain de Benoist but I’ve long since lost where he posted it
>>532570236>billions lost in income>billions lost in tax revenue >billions lost from remittances >billions lost from discretionary spending>inflation making life unaffordable Can’t keep it going forever. Economy will implode.
>>532573920>billions>billions>billionsThe average American makes only 5 digits a year.Companies would be in shock for the first decade of a limited immigration economy after not being able to simply replace workers who make too much with an immigrant that is fine with too little.They'd lose a shit ton just through that, but it's essentially water weight that they maintained through the corruption of exploiting cheap immigrant labor.
>>532573271Pressure the companies, not the immigrants. The immigrants aren't the ones stealing the money, they are third parties to the debacle. Borders are important to protect workers only if the work isn't already being offshored.We send our fresh fish to China to get processed and packaged because it is a safer and more cost-efficient way to sell fish due to regulations. If you know anything about the quality of fish, that probably sounds absurd. Our industries will do completely nonsensical bullshit to save pennies. Regulations must work alongside innovation to bring prosperous, yet efficient jobs to America. Instead, we have two "sides" that will never cede any ground to the other -- no compromises. There is a line between "we must violent deport or imprison immigrants", and "why should we have borders?" Personally, I think it is somewhere around "we should have sensible citizenship or residency requirements to protect workers' rights". Compromises must be made in a democracy.I apologize for being rude. I hope you have a good day.
>>532573545>homophobiatldr tranny homosexual. KYS and stop the spread.
>>532574404Just admit you have no argument. I won and am correct. Thanks.
>>532574295>There is a line between "we must violent deport or imprison immigrants", and "why should we have borders?"I would like to mention that I don't support the actions of ICE. As much as I believe that immigration is bad for the working class,, it's not their fault that they're coming here. Companies actively weaponize them against the native-born.What I still do believe though is that weaponizing immigrants destroys any of the natives to fight for their standing. Both this and your ideas can be true, in fact I believe they work off of each other.What is the point in fighting for more rights if the companies could silence you by easily replacing you? You would be quiet just so you can keep your job despite the awful conditions and pay.Again, I don't support the abusing of immigrants simply because they exist, but I believe that companies use them as a leverage against the native-born so they don't get too rowdy.
>>532574832>argumentonly children, little girls, Karens, and homosexuals "argue".
>>532570439Good. Wages should go up. We don't need immigrants to work at fast food.
>>532570236Ask the luciferian billionaires and politicians why they do this. BTW: It isn't even leftists vs. rightists. They don't give two shits about political party as long as the politicians can be easily bought.
>>532570236Let me also add the the antichrist will most likely rule through a plutocracy and the United States is starting down the path of becoming a plutocracy. The billionaires will almost certainly be responsible for the mark of the beast system. Most likely through AI. It will get to the point to where some crazy fuck will start demanding worship.
>>532570236Democrats used to be an anti-immigration party because labor unions were a force in politics back in the day. Shit changed so much in the last 50 years, it's inextinguishable from today. I tried explaining the WTO protests and OWS to a group of zoomers the other day and it blew their minds.
>>532570236Capitalism needs to grow and grow.If the population doesn't breed, then the government will bring in people from elsewhere.
>>532576579>the government
>>532576338>OWSWe literally planned that protest here on /pol/ before r/TheDonald and r/Libertarians flooded the place.
>>532570236This makes it sound like murdering the working class is actually good for the working class
>>532576703If you dig into it, you can still find accounts of the Jews destroying it in real time with feminism and racism. It was crazy.
>>532576995You really dont have to dig, it was so instantaneously obvious and yet it COMPLETELY worked. I challenge you to start a thread about it and NOT get completely shouted down with nothing but "YOURE A COMMIE" replies.
>>532571549retard, borders are 3rd worlders repellent. without borders you would have to build giant gated neighbourhoods and paramilitary patrols to protect yourself from 3rd worlders.
>>532577834It was a tragic affair, they already set the landmines at the time with shit like this since 1950 with Adorno's The Authoritarian Personality.
>>532579487No one talks economics at all here anymore we need to.
>>532570236>IMMIGRATION IS BAD FOR THE WORKING CLASSThat's literally the entire point, it's deliberate wage suppression. Capitalism was built on the slavery model, and it's just a natural product of the system. The penultimate goal is always to maximize profits, and free labor is the holy grail of achieving profits.
>>532582328where is the talk about ice migger faggot?surely they deported 5 million potential iran soildiers in the last week lets not forget trump killed ice to do a pogrom on somali muslims but they're muslims so they should die rightwhat happened to the mexicans?
>>532570236It's even crazier in Canada, not sure about other nations.But the ruling class here got the government o pass programs that give subsidies to corporations that hire immigrants, minorities or 2slgbtq+.If you look this up fact checkers say this is false because the subsidies aren't permanent and only last for a set period of time.https://www.quebec.ca/en/employment/find-job-internship/employment-assistance-programs/immigrants-visible-minorities/employment-integration
>>532570236No shit. That's why they won't do anything about it.
Nations will stop existing under communism, under communism, the globe will be defined by sectors for the sole purpose of administration, sectors defined by the grid panel composed of meridians and parallels with small compromises of a few kilometes so cities aren't split in two. The idea of nation, culture, borders and so on are going to be labeled as reactionary and any and all individuals or groups that decide to fight this will be shot. The concept of "indigenous populations" and "natives" are going to be an irrelevant thing of the past, and people will be transfered between sectors every so often and as labour requirements demand. The concept of ethnicity will be abolished.
>>532585269>>532582904>it's deliberate wage suppression. >That's why they won't do anything about it.Sad reality. It's a clown world.
>>532574900Late reply, but I agree with you. Also, I noticed a typo -- I should have said "violently", not "violent".Workers need to organize to make any systemic change to wages. The most cogent argument I've heard against any particular immigrants uses the lack of community between those foreigners and natives to conclude that it is worse for organization efforts. Still, this reasoning is clearly affected if it seeks to criminalize the immigrants. I value fairness over workers' rights. More importantly, I feel that ignoring human rights for workers' rights is missing the forest for the trees.I have no doubt that you are thoughtful enough to consider the many factors involved in something as complicated as foreign policy and workers' rights. I have no bone to pick with you. Again, I hope you have a good day.
>>532587957>I have no doubt that you are thoughtful enough to consider the many factors involved in something as complicated as foreign policy and workers' rights.Thank you. I appreciate the conversation we've had.I hope you have a good day as well.
>>532570535Correct. There's no such thing as a labor shortage, it's all wage suppression.
>>532570236Wow you figured that all by yourself ? Impressive.
>>532570236This is why I will never vote leftists here
>>532588910>ImpressiveI understand your sarcasm as it seems quite obvious, but I rarely see the sentiment anywhere.Most of the times I see hatred for immigrants is simply because they're brown, not because of the actual economic factors immigration affects.
>>532570236>More of something makes it less scarceFalse. You have giga loads of free porn everywhere but still get no pussy>When something is less scarce, it's less valuableFalse, oil is less scarce rn but more valuable>Less of something makes it more scarceFalse. Nobody drinks carrot juice in the morning yet it is not scarce at all>When something is scarce, it's more valuableFalse. Gold is abundant yet valuable. >Apply this to workers.Be my guest.
>>532589204I would write a beautiful retort to all of your shitty argumentsBut I realize you're a jeet so you wouldn't understand any of them.Thanks for the bump, though.
>>532588985because you live in america, did you know your politicians also rape children? and the media sometimes lies to you????
>>532570236>>532570439Beaners will confess they think working sloeer creates jobs. But really, when work needs to be done, they drop it all on whitey. Fuck beaners, kick out all illegals, remove birthright citizenship for them.
>>532570439????Even if such a thing were true, it would mean I’d be supporting a white business and so helping my fellow countrymen.Thus making the country better, building a high trust society and thus increasing purchasing power of the nations dollar.
>>532589426>sometimes
>>532570236yes they know it but they hate you
>>532570840>if leftards dropped the whole nig-spic-troon-etc.... obsession and recognized nationalism they'd win in landslides across much of western countriesThe neolib overlords spend billions controlling left wing parties and promoting baizuo libshit nonsense
>>532589368Make one, that would be enough. Oxygen is abundant but you crave it every second of every day. Economics is lies.
>>532570439>golly gee, goy, it’s actually impossible for the average American to make enough to own a home Taking power back from multinational corporations and putting it in the hands of the workers would be a net benefit to the workers’ standard of living. Anyone pretending otherwise is a lying kike or retard.Spend a week in a third world shithole and you’ll understand why you should not want them around your home. London is close enough these days.
