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>freemasons
Dear G-d, grow the fuck up, already.

>>532648733
Because they are satanists that know for a fact the demiurge exists

>>532648733
If you don't believe in a higher power then your stance on morality can't be objective and you will always exist in a grey area. Therefor you can be convinced of anything and have no real arguments of why things are bad.
>Why is thing bad?
>It makes people feel bad.
>Why is that bad?
>Um... Erm...
All moral logic derives from faith, even atheists that believe in a universal goodness have to say "It's just that way because it is" which in itself is just faith again.
Atheism as a philosophy makes it impossible not to be a useful idiot.

>>532648733
made up jew gods arent real and kikes are seething hard about it everytime its pointed out.

>>532649741
all the religious retards commit some of the most disgusting crimes imaginable all in the name of imaginary made up kike gods.
so retards who believe into these fake gods know nothing about morality.

For those who don’t know, the French Revolution was actually a masonic coup d'état that resulted in secularism, weakened Christendom and allowed for satanic freemasons and their jewish masters to take control of every part of society.

>>532648831
I mean, it’s not actually them, they're nothing but Shabbos goy. It’s basically Kabbalah for goyim, or a kind of Noahidism for the esoteric side.

Testimony of a man reaching ma'rifa after the khalwa. The goal of attaining ma'rifa/gnosis/jnana, an intuitive knowledge of reality as it truly, is the same goal shared by all mystical sects and ancient soteriological cults like the mithraic mysteries. It was often symbolized by the removal of the veil in ancient pagan traditions, such as the Cult of Isis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_of_Isis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjWCmVHmdLw

>>532650038
"The Secret Powers Behind Revolution" is a fascinating book that explains all of this.

>>532649928
>People are bad
>So religion must be wrong
Why? Because you have a series of beliefs about what is good and bad determined by the morality instilled in your culture by centuries of faith, and can see the error of people who end out breaking that moral code?

>>532649741
>If you don't believe in a higher power then your stance on morality can't be objective
Demonstrate an objective moral

>>532650499
fake and gay religions and their fake made up gods dont teach people anything useful, actually it has been holding down humanity for thousands of years.

>>532648733
>Anyone who doesn't ascribe the awe-inspiring complexity of the universe to a god is stupid
is a demand for subjugation with the threat of reputation loss.

>>532650614
>Why is something bad
>Because God said so
That's basically the only way you can be objective about any moral. If you don't believe in an absolute truth there's no absolute morality.

>>532650732
Everything you think is right derives from religion. Your entire morality beyond "I hope I don't personally feel bad today" is religion. We have been largely secular for only a short time in the west and it's lead to a decay of societal development if anything.

TL;DR of the video: Freemasonry is a veiled form of Satanism, in which members are gradually initiated into a doctrine where good and evil don’t exist because the truth is beyond such duality and where the self, the ego, the “Satan” is worshipped, effectively making them their own god.

It has infiltrated every sphere of society, including entertainment where it promotes the worst vices and destructive archetypes as well as the police and politics.

>>532651120
>>Because God said so
That's not objective. But relative and therefore subjective

>>532651120
>If you don't believe in an absolute truth there's no absolute morality
Truth doesn't need the word absolute before it. Truth is truth and truth is unfaithful

>>532651120
>Everything you think is right derives from religion.
no it doesnt

>>532651120
>it's lead to a decay of societal development if anything.
Don't bother arguing with them, they're a lost cause. Thankfully, atheists aren't having children, while Muslims are having four. Mother Nature will effectively clean up everything and bring everything back to order

>>532651120
>the only way you can be objective about any moral
What is consensus for 500, Alex?
Even the kikes you worship constantly refine their absolute truths via rabbinical consensus, but you, the good goy, just wait til they finish their deliberations to lap it up.

>>532651177
>Freemasonry is a veiled form of Satanism
its just another fake and gay made up jew religion so gullible jew boomers can cope about a made up god while extracting more money and resources from clueless goyims.

>>532648733
Freemasonry is a Luciferian witchcraft cult.
They see God as the enemy, a slaver of sorts, and think Lucifer tried to make humans like God and give them knowledge.
But yes they know a creator exists, and they know their witchcraft and alchemy is real and they know where the power comes from. If that's real then so therefore is God.
Freemasons also say the only people besides themselves that really know the nature of reality are Christians.
But it's one force and the other.
Freemasons have chosen to follow Lucifer, the lower ranks don't often realize it, but never the less, they are given money, power, all the good things of the passing world. In trade for their souls.

>>532651480
>atheists aren't having children
I have 3. Atheism isn't an ethnic thing either. Which means anyone can become an atheist regardless of background

>>532651667
>But yes they know a creator exists
its called a Larp, these jew losers dont know shit and certainly havent discovered God or anything like that.

>>532648733
Never underestimate the insanity of creationists. The Freemason sect teaches that everything that happens is God's will, including satanism. So God actually wants you to practice satanism. Not everyone though. God wants Christianity to instill order and tether man down while gods chosen few learn the mysteries God hid in satanism. They're all retarded and insane

>>532651856
Doesn't seem a larp since Freemasons sit at the top of power and riches in the world. Not the lower members who engage in altruistic endeavors to mimic the church. But the upper ranks practice witchcraft of Lucifer and are at the highest places with the most money and riches. Are the at the top of the world because they are worship Lucifer the lord of the earth, or are they made Freemasons because they're at the top of the world and already rich?
Well if they were top of the world and already rich they wouldn't need Freemasonry.
What would be the point?
They're at the top of the world because they serve the " master and commander " of the earth. Who gives them all the pretty baubles, all the finest food, all the best things.

>>532652191
when you are at the top because of lying and scamming then you can larp whatever you want, you can invent god and make fake religions and every retard is forced to swallow that larp.
doesnt make the larp real tho.

>>532651359
Relative because why? Because even though the faith of the matter is the establishment of there existing someone who can dispense objective truth, that because it was declared by someone that it must be relative?
Truth-is-truth is just faith again. Nobody's going to establish a moral thinking off the fact that gravity exists.

>>532651411
It does though? Do you have any reasoning for your ground floor beliefs otherwise besides "My culture" (Hint: Beliefs established by the religion of prior people) "Said it's bad/good"

>>532651494
You don't believe in consensus, not really. If by some reasoning everyone else in the world agreed that something was good that you thought was bad you'd be cooperating out of submission, but not out of agreement.
Unless you are just saying moral is non-objective and you'd change your belief to match peer pressures. Which is proof consensus isn't a moral objective.

>>532651480
I'm aware but I still like to try.

>>532652389
>It does though?
nope

>>532652551
Okay, where's i come from then

>>532652333
>doesnt make the larp real tho.
It is real. They sit at the top of society. There's your proof that it works. There is a freemason lodge in every town in America. They're almost as prolific as churches.
And they are the opposite train of thought.
They have money, riches, all the things Lucifer gives them. It works for them.
You can't call it a larp when they got what they wanted out of it.

>>532648733
>Astrology. A science
Stopped reading there.

>>532652389
>Relative because why?
Your personal preference in "God"
>Truth-is-truth is just faith again.
Truth is unfaithful
>Nobody's going to establish a moral thinking off the fact that gravity exists.
Don't push people who aren't trying to physically harm you. That seemed easy

>>532648733
because they're retards. obviously

>>532652609
idk you seem like some sort of gullible retard.
>>532652616
its still a larp and no matter how much money you throw at it or how many gay rituals with boy wifes you perform, your fake made up god will never be real.

>>532652609
Cause and effect.

>>532648733
>People who claim themselves "enlightened" look down on others
Gee, I wonder why the psychology behind such behavior is a thing.
You're not smart enough to dodge jew control though, are you?

>>532652798
>its still a larp
No that's just what you want it to be. Again it works for Freemasons. They worship Lucifer and they get what they want. Clearly.
I wouldn't join that nonsense if I was rich or otherwise. But some people do it to become rich and powerful. That's the promise of witchcraft. The real deal, Luciferianism.
And it's not a larp because they don't advertise what they do, they hide it. In every way they can. Again there's no point to doing any of that, if you don't need it. If you're not getting something out of it. And they do. They have it. They have power, they have riches, they have everything they want in this world.
It's like you claiming that I larp as a car mechanic after I totally repaired every car owned by your family and they run like a dream.

>>532653094
>but but they have stuff that they aquired by scamming and bullshitting so their fake and gay beliefs must be real
damn nigger you are dumb

>>532652754
Truth is a claim of objectivity via faith, the stance that something must be. In reasoning totally divorced from faith, even gravity is just a law, which is just a theory that's "really really probably true guys, but it may not be."

>>532652798
>Where's your morality come from
>idk
Amazing
Hey let's pose this, if religion is made up by evil people, why do they make up religions that expressly say all the secret evil things they do are bad?

>>532653250
>Truth is
Unfaithful

>>532653250
>even gravity is just a law, which is just a theory
Which means it's proven

>>532653227
There's no reason to be a Freemason if it doesn't make you powerful and rich. Or to learn witchcraft secrets that work.
They're not trying to save their souls, or find enlightenment. They want power, they want riches, they want their crowns.
And that's exactly what they have.
That's the evidence. The fact you chose to ignore that just makes you a dumb faggot gas lighting jew. Shut the fuck up.

>>532653419
You'll have to explain the notion of truth being unfaithful.

>>532653250
>why do they make up religions that expressly say all the secret evil things they do are bad?
because they were retarded psychos who thought its fun.

>>532651359
False. It is a binary system. You either operate within God's will or outside of it. This defines "good and evil." God's will is objective. What's subjective is our human interpretation of it.

Absolute truth is important. IE the while/gold or black/blue dress. Both parties see a truth. There is but one absolute truth.

Before you ask how we can know God's will... you must first attempt a relationship with Him. He will impart His will to you but you must seek it. Any we all stray from the path at times.

>>532653503
just because they aquire stuff by scamming and lying and cheating everyone doesnt mean their made up religion is true or that their fake and gay god exists.
its still just a larp, all their stuff proves is that cheating and scamming is very profitable.
doesnt really confirm the existence of a God tho.

>>532653624
there is no god and no gods will.
you are just mentally handicapped and believe whatever stupid shit some jew shat into your brain.

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>>532648733
Probably because the one time Atheists actually managed to take over a country for themselves, they ruled it so poorly they made the Muslims look competent and overnight erased the narrative that they're more peaceful than Christians by speedrunning the death toll of the crusades.

>>532652389
>You don't believe in consensus, not really.
What a myopic argument. Religion works exactly the same top-down way and people went along with it out of submission. You think every christians agrees with everything in the bible?
Of course you don't. Consensus is coercive, just like religion and you're pivoting to that because you can't accept that absolute truth does not exist outside of hard sciences.
In fact, your whole pivot required you to ignore that no sane christian believes genesis is historical - they still tell it to their kids out of a belief that the christian superstructure demands it of them and the kids would be in danger of lacking "something" if they don't know the story. That's real peer pressure.
>Which is proof consensus isn't a moral objective.
It's all you have. You think a kike god that only spoke to them didn't emerge from a consensus among the jews that controlling their monotheistic ficiton as a priest class would be beneficial. Or do you really believe it's just absolute truth that god just liked your kind less?

>>532653586
Really? Truth isn't aligned with bias. Faith is thr absence of reason and logic.

>>532653624
>You either operate within God's will or outside of it.
Which God? Who's interpretation of "God's will" is accurate?

>>532648831
>t. freemason

>>532648733
Modern atheists ARE retards. Their explanations for creation are completely retarded. They can't into the scientific method because actually doing so would ruin every narrative they've ever made. They'd suffer from cognitive dissonance because they believe they are so smart and clever.

>>532654239
>Their explanations for creation are completely retarded
the religion retards are even more retarded.

>>532653587
They thought it was fun? For all of human history? And kept it going just because I guess?
They could've very easily just developed a system of belief that let them sacrifice people every day in public like The Aztecs.

>>532653900
>Believe in God
>Say that what they say is truth
>Say that believing in God is faithful, because you trust without needing proof
>You walk in
>UM ACTUALLY TRUTH IS UNFAITHFUL
>Why
>Because it's not proofed :)
This is just baitin'

>>532654552
they control the money and resources and can set up whatever larps they want for however long they want.
doesnt make the larp real tho.

>>532654552
>>Say that what they say is truth
Based on?

>>532654552
>>UM ACTUALLY TRUTH IS UNFAITHFUL
>>Why
>>Because it's not proofed :)
Try less strawman kiddo

>>532653728
If it's as simple as that then nobody needs to be a Freemason. Again, it's not about saving their soul, or ideologies that are useful.
It's simply about power, riches, crowns.
Which they get.

>>532654774
>Which they get.
from scamming and cheating

>>532654657
So everyone should just believe in no religion, which makes them entirely more susceptible to being tricked by the liars and scammers?

>>532654694
God, obviously.
The belief that there is a God and that their truth is objective is the point of faith. Faith isn't just another word for scientific tenure.

>>532654840
Again if that works there's no reason to be Freemasons. Your logic is not sound.

>>532654913
>God, obviously
Which God?

>>532654913
>So everyone should just believe in no religion
yes all religions need to be destroyed, their shit confiscated and the most annoying religion retards need to be executed.
this has to happen in order to fix humanity.
>entirely more susceptible to being tricked by the liars and scammers?
abandoning religion is like abandoning a scam. once you learned how scams work its unlikely you will fall for another such scam.

>>532655001
so lets say I have 100 trillion dollars, invent a new god and then use a brutal police force to beat and murder your family until you say my larp is real.
is my larp real?

>>532651733
>I have 3

Good for you, but Atheists have the lowest birthrates in the west. Your own personal experience doesn't stop that from being true. The fact is that the future is going to be highly religious, as religiosity is moderately heritable, since personality traits are moderately heritable, and religiosity is associated with certain personality traits. The more religious you are, the more kids you have. Atheists are gayer, commit suicide more often, are more depressed, have smaller social circles, have more abortions, etc. etc.

They CLEARLY are not an evolutionary fit for current society, and it seems to me that atheists NEED a highly religious society in order to thrive due to social pressure placed on them. That social pressure ensures that they benefit from things like gender roles, marriage, having kids, having big social groups, etc. etc. Right now the world is seeing, due to the dilution of strong religious social enforcement, a culling of those more genetically prone to atheism. You might enjoy a society that lacks religious enforcement, but by the time your kids are old, that won't exist anymore.

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>>532655033
>Which god?

>>532655221
>but Atheists have the lowest birthrates in the west
Again,
>>532651733
>Atheism isn't an ethnic thing either. Which means anyone can become an atheist regardless of background

>>532655221
>gender roles, marriage, having kids, having big social groups, etc.
you can have all of this without believing into a made up foreskin eating jew god.

>>532648733
Because freemasons worship lucifer and drink out of skulls

>>532655186
Yea that's not how it works. Again they join Freemason societies even in college. And later become presidents and leaders of the world. And rich.
You could argue the entire thing is networking.
Getting to know other rich people and it's just a network that benefits them.
But your sorry ass didn't even make that argument which might hold water.

>>532655493
its jews networking for better scamming and they made up their own larp.
doesnt mean their jew god is real tho.
still fake and gay.

>>532655033
Whichever is claimed to be, I prefer mine.
The core of the argumentation here is that there's no objective to any moral system unless you come with the existing notion that there can be an objective truth. Science, and for that matter come with the notion baked in that there is no objectivity to what people should believe.
This gotcha of "Oh but Hindus exist!" is an entirely baseless bait redirect because I'm not here arguing that everyone should be Christian, I'm saying that Freemasons (Hint: The threads' question) Believe that atheists are useful idiots because a non-faith ordered belief system is malleable by definition and can be used to psyop people.

>>532655093
That's simply wrong. You just become easier to convince that whatever you thought was bad actually wasn't so bad after all.

>>532655599
This. What do Freemasons actually do to better society?

>>532655631
>Whichever is claimed to be, I prefer mine
Thanks for demonstrating your morality is based on preference and theredore subjective

>>532655314
>>Atheism isn't an ethnic thing either. Which means anyone can become an atheist regardless of background

Who cares if it's an ethic thing? What's the point of bringing that up? Atheism is, at least partially, genetic, because personality traits are moderately heritable, and personality traits are highly correlated to religiosity.

>>532655328
>you can have all of this without believing into a made up foreskin eating jew god.

If atheists could, then they would. But they don't, therefor what's your argument here?

There is a God. But religion is a tool used to control people.

>>532655933
>Who cares if it's an ethic thing? What's the point of bringing that up?
Because your kids can be raised in a relgion and become atheist later in life.

>>532655739
>My moral system has an objective notion
>But you chose it, so it's subjective
>I believe that it has objectivity
>ERM BUT IT-
You're proving useful idiot status here by devolving this into a Reddit argument about the validity of faith rather than acknowledging how this could change the thinking structure of someone and make them more susceptible to propaganda.
I understand your dopamine response necessity to argue wholly defensively, but I'm not your dad trying to tell you why going to church is important.

>>532656332
A nuanced take.

>>532656630
>>But you chose it, so it's subjective
Based on personal preferences

Thanks again for proving my point.

>>532656846
You gotta start reading these comments my dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

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>>532648831
>G-d

>>532656332
>There is a God.
...and he lives, at least temporary, at the edge of human comprehension. Not in a book the kikes wrote.

>>532649928
>religious retards commit some of the most disgusting crimes imaginable
almost like we are all wicked sinners

>>532656720
Amen.

>>532648733
Because they know Christ is God yet chose to serve Satan for fleeting, worldly glory.

>>532656924
>You gotta start reading these comments my dude
I have. You've proven my right my dude. Your morality isn't based on objectivity. It's based on preferences, which is subjective

>>532657378
You seem to have a pathological fear of acknowledging the idea that a morality that does not come with the belief that there is a being of supreme ethos will always be subject to useful idiot status due to its malleability.

>>532657699
Bro, you've already demonstrated how malleable your morality is. It's based on which "God" claim fits your preferences. Should a better claim come along, you'll change.

As for me? I never claimed to have objective morality. But I do believe it's objectively wrong to murder children. Wouldn't you agree?

>>532657991
>But I do believe it's objectively wrong to murder children
Why though? Why do you have this belief?

>>532658217
>>But I do believe it's objectively wrong to murder children
>Why though?
Because murder means the killing of an innocence.

>Why do you have this belief?
Empathy

>>532658450
>Why are they innocent
>Who said they've done nothing wrong
>Why is empathy important
All these will just continue to boil down until you achieve some notion of faith. Faith in its base form is just saying "It is because it is"

>>532656630
>>Claims absolute moral objectivity
>>Makes this claim based on an obviously subjective belief (choice)
Absolutely btfo'd by a guy who averaged ~7 words per response to your walls of unintelligible, moronic text. Seeing retards like you put in your place is why I still come here.

>>532658782
>All these will just continue to boil down until you achieve some notion of faith
Replace faith with reasonable expectations.

>Faith in its base form is just saying "It is because it is"
Which isn't any of my positions

I don't believe magic is real just because some bitches spoke about it on tiktok. But if Freemasons, which are more serious people, claim it exists it probably exists.
Any evidence of Freemasonry practicing magick? What books should I read to get some info on this?

>>532658217
>>532658450
Both of you sound like you've never taken a single ethics class in your lives.

>>532658805
>Claims that beliefs that claim objectivity are stronger than moral grey areas
>Accosted over and over again that can only argue against religion as an institution and can't imagine anyone would argue about its mechanics

>>532658899
Okay then we'll follow it.
Why is empathy important?

>>532651667
>and they know their witchcraft and alchemy is real
And you know this how?

>>532659000
You're right. I sure haven't

>>532659044
>Why is empathy important?
It enables me to better understand my fellow neighbors, loved ones and colleagues. With better understanding of each other, then the better chance of coexisting peacefully increases.

>>532659345
Why is it important to coexist peacefully in the first place?

>>532659418
You tell me. Why is it? Or rather, why do you think a God would want that?

>>532659591
Dodging the question?
Seems you're scared of realizing your beliefs run on faith.

>world and animal life features horrible parasitic infestation, constant pain, infanticide, rape, murder
>might is right reigns supreme, the strong survive at expense of the weak, the strong get to abuse the weak and the weak never receive justice or retribution
>you cannot take, create or achieve something without paying some price that invokes a cost on either yourself, others or both parties
>murder is a necessity, if something wants to live it literally HAS to consume or destroy something else competing for the same limited resources
>those who have will only receive more, those with nothing will have what little they possess taken away from them

Yeah, muh totally moral god and his totally moral written code

>>532659044
I never made either of those claims - did you mean to expose your illiteracy? Vomiting out a series of words you don't understand usually counteracts whatever argument you're trying to make.

>>532659718
>Dodging the question?
Nope. But it's clear you are. Why is that?

>Seems you're scared of realizing your beliefs run on reasonable expectations
Ftfy and no, I fully admit it

So, is murdering children objectively wrong? You never answered that.

>>532659870
I'm not saying god exists but expecting some omnipotent deity to follow your human interpretation of morality is fucking hilarious.

>>532658939
Just read Helena Blavatsky or even Albert Pike’s shit if you wanna hear it coming straight from the whorses mouth.

>>532659980
But what exactly makes your expectations reasonable?
Because they're fair? Why is fairness important?

>>532648733
Because atheists are the only ones directly threatening Jews

>>532660026
That’s not my point, retard. My point is that the popular, traditional Christian theme of morality (or an all-good god) is obviously false.

If we consider nature to be the only incorruptible word of god (books written by humans are obviously prone to human changes), then he is clearly not “all-good”.

>god is... le ebil
Retards recreate gnosticism 2000 years after a bunch of goat fuckers have already done so. This is why reading history is important, kids.

>>532660068
>But what exactly makes your expectations reasonable?
The observable outcomes.

Again, is murdering children objectively wrong?

>>532659877
I unno, your reply is just peanut throwing, there's not a lot for me to reply to.

>>532658939
If your interest lies in getting initiated into the Western system of magick as a solo practitioner, your best bet is the Golden Dawn system.

https://archive.org/details/copy-of-self-initiation-into-the-golden-dawn-tradition-a-complete-cirriculum-of-

You can self-initiate into it, and modern magickal orders such as the Temple of Set, O.T.O., and others are based on the Golden Dawn system. However, you shouldn’t lose track of the fact that the main purpose of Western ceremonial magick is to complete the Great Work, symbolized in the Kabbalistic Tree of Life by the final sephirah. In Dharmic traditions, it corresponds to the moksha, in Sufism, it is represented by reaching the primordial state of al-Insan al-Kamil, the "Perfect Man" and in Daoism, it is the completion of the alchemical elixir.

However, if your goal is purely soteriological, you might as well get initiated into a tariqa.

>>532660259
>is obviously false
Why? Because it doesn't fit your personal views on morality? Lmao.
>then he is clearly not “all-good”
Because you say so, amirite? Clearly not good, duh.

>>532651733
>I have 3
They're not yours and when they grow up they will hate you and will become hardcore spiritualists.

t. Child of atheists

>>532648733
They call christians worse shit, it's not about belonging to a religious doctrine.

>>532660300
But why are the outcomes you observe bad?
At some point you will just have to acknowledge that things are just bad because they are. (Hint: Faith)
I believe murdering kids is wrong, objectively. I believe empathy is good, objectively. I believe fairness is important, objectively, but I know they are like this because they just are.
I don't think these things are important because "Oh well we might have a bad society if we didn't follow these rules."

>>532660577
>They're not yours
They are

>become hardcore spiritualists
That's fine. If it makes their lives better, then great.

>>532660483
No, not because I said. Did you even read my post? Are you not familiar with the moral doctrine proposed in Christian religion? Why am I even bothering trying to reason with an 80 IQ gypsynigger, it’s like talking to a brick wall.

>>532660617
>I believe murdering kids is wrong, objectively
Why?

>>532660813
Because my faith says so.
Same reason you think so.

>>532660704
Nowhere does the world created by God contradict the moral theme of Christianity. That's an even sillier argument you were better off trying to recreate gnosticism.

>>532660323
>>Claim: Your assertion of moral objectivity is based on faith, which is inherently subjective. This makes your claim incoherent, the other guy is right.
>>"YoU dIdN't MaKe an ArgUmEnt, PeAnuT GaLleRy"

I don't know what the end goal of continuing to prove your illiteracy could be...we believe you dude, I promise.

>>532660943
The god your faith is supposedly modelled after is the same who created a world in which child murder is both possible AND rewarded. If your god doesn’t think it’s wrong, why do you?

>>532661135
>Build a bridge
>Bridge collapses, killing many
>Wtf this architects wanted to kill everyone!?

>>532660943
>Same reason you think so.
Ah so we both reach the same conclusions for the same reasons.

I'm an atheist while you're a theist. Which means being either one of those is irrelevant to the objective truth that murdering kids is objectively wrong.

>>532661085
How does it not? What part of nature rewarding rape, dominance and murder aligns with “turn the other cheek and don’t covet thy neighbour”?

>>532661135
The morality imposed by Christianity is not modelled after the OT god.

>>532661236
Animals are capable of making free will decisions?

>>532661236
Are the architects on your example an omnipotent being who is all loving and all good? No? Oh...well that changes things

>>532661353
That’s the cope Christians love to use, but Yahweh is Yahweh. Aramaic speaking OG Christian’s literally called their god “Allah” lmao

>>532661313
Christian morality goes against nature. Are you really mad at the world that god has supposedly created? Do you think it's imperfect? Maybe he's .... le evil demiurge after all?

>>532661263
The point I'm getting at here is that your morality is also just based on faith. No matter how much you run around trying to patch holes in your belief system, you will achieve a level of "I think this is important because it just is" the same way I will achieve "I think God is right just because he is"
In this, inherently, our systems have the same ability to achieve conclusion, but my belief structure is anchored by a belief in the infallibility of a deity, and yours isn't actually anchored to anything.

>>532661556
And if Christianity goes against nature, then refer back to my original reply to you. Fucking idiot.

Every argument you could possibly make has already been made a thousand times, at this point you're basically at first century level, all that's needed now is to make up a cool story for the demiurge and you've basically recreated the antagonist of gnosticism.

>>532661626
>The point I'm getting at here is that your morality is also just based on reasonable expectations.
Ftfy
>you will achieve a level of "I think this is important because it just is" the same way I will achieve "I think God is right just because he is"
No, that's you.

>structure is anchored by a belief in the infallibility of a dei
>belief
Which means you'll change your belief when a better one comes along and fits your preferences

>>532661759
And here you retards are, thousands of years later and you still have no valid responses.

My grandfather was an atheist, you should have seen the way he squirmed in his final months on earth. You could just tell he was in fear.

>>532661794
But what makes your expectations reasonable?
You will eventually just say "They just are"

>>532661639
Why should god follow the same morality he imposes on humanity?

>>532656023
religious retards already ruined society with their fake and gay god larps

>>532648733
Religious freemasonry is Anglo; secular freemasonry is French.
just like orthodox jews and reform jews

>>532661948
>But what makes your expectations reasonable?
I've already been through this
>>532660300
>The observable outcomes.

You're going in circles now which means you've got nothing left to really argue

>>532662089
And as I remember, you very deftly dodged why you think the outcomes of not being reasonable are bad.

>>532661986
What’s the point of imposing an isolated morality on humans specifically, if God and every single one of his other creations doesn’t follow it? Sort of makes him seem like a hypocritical, tyrannical faggot, doesn’t it?

>>532660395
Thanks for the info.

>>532662200
>you very deftly dodged why you think the outcomes of not being reasonable are bad.
Try again with a coherent reply.

>>532662292
What was so bad about the outcomes you observed?

>>532662349
I'm going to refer you back to
>>532659345
>to better understand my fellow neighbors, loved ones and colleagues. With better understanding of each other, then the better chance of coexisting peacefully increases.

>>532650732
As opposed to atheists doctrines like communism?

>>532661849
Well, Christianity is a pseudo-folk religion based on the mythification of a historical figure, of whose message we know little beyond the coming of the kingdom, the end of the temple judaism, and his opposition to traditional jewish morality.
Even just after the death of Jesus, you have three main religions within paulines, gnostics and messianic jews

>>532662522
Atheism is a by product of most communist. There are communist who aren't atheist

>>532649741
If man was created in the image of God, then does God have a cut or uncut penis?

>>532662502
Okay then I'll refer you back to
>>532659345
>Why is it important to coexist peacefully in the first place?
Do try not to dodge the question this time.

>>532662522
communism was invented by jews tho

>>532662689
>Do try not to dodge the question this time.
I hasvrmt because it's going to lead back to you saying
>>532660943
>Same reason you think so.
Again, you're going in circles

>>532662683
man doesnt need a creator, its just bullshit jews made up so retards pay more taxes to them.

>>532662764
>hasvrmt
Haven't*

>>532653800
>whatever stupid shit some jew shat into your brain.
So you're rabidly antichristian like all jews
There is God Allmighty The Creator Imcarnate as Christ.

>>532662235
>What’s the point of imposing an isolated morality on humans specifically
Just to fuck with people, I presume. Things don't actually have to make any sense an omnipotent being does whatever the fuck it wants.

>>532654438
> even more retarded.
So you admit you're retarded

>>532662683
Why does God have a penis to begin with? Who is he gonna impregnate? Inb4 yo mama joke

>>532649741
>American
>devout
miggers can't even pretend to be morally objectivist. after zognald everyone sees now that at best miggers operate on raw emotion and vibes for moral direction. most are too illiterate and media illiterate to read the Bible anymore

>>532652616

wow who would have thought that co-operating secretly with others to get one over on unsuspecting normies would give you power

oh wait, that's how all the truly powerful people in society succeed - scamming idiots, that is the ultimate definition of everything these people call 'magic', techniques to trick rubes into contributing to them for nothing in return

>>532662764
The circle we're going here though is just what happens when people are unwilling to say "Because it just is"
You think peace and empathy are important because you just do. Changing the word faith to "Reasonable expectations" doesn't suddenly make it not an act of faith.

>>532654239
>Their explanations for creation are completely retarded.
Yes An explosion out of nothing. And they dare call it Big Bang. Ironic isn't it?
Big Bang - a theory invented by a catholiv priest while the Creation Ex nihilo contradicts the fundamemtal law of the very science they claim to worship - Energy exists, energy can not be destroyed or created it can only transform.

>>532663253
>The circle we're going here though is just what happens when people are unwilling to say "Because it just is"
You've yet to prove that's the case for me.

>You think peace and empathy are important because you just do.
Nope. I've been through this too

>Changing the word faith to "Reasonable expectations" doesn't suddenly make it not an act of faith.
Except it does, because faith is the absence of reason and logic. Reasonable expectations are not.

>>532662925
The fact that this is your best answer yet you STILL choose to worship and defend the Christian religion is fucking asinine, kek.

>>532663425
I'm not religious

>>532663393
Okay, then explain using reason and logic why it's important to avoid these "observable outcomes" that you will still not actually say what they are.

>>532655328
>jew god.
So that's the problem. Not nordic greek roman slavic asian or indian gods, not buddha, not Ahura Mazda not even yahve. But Christ.

>>532663612
>then explain using reason and logic why it's important to avoid these "observable outcomes"
I have no idea what you're talking about. You can't even strawman right lol.

>>532663714
Is your only defense really just to act dumb?

>>532663270
It's the multiverse bro! An infinite number of universes have existed they simply collapse at some point and then create a Big Bang - therefore no matter is destroyed nor created, all matter has existed for all of eternity do not involve the metaphysical lol

>>532663768
Not my fault you're too stupid for th3se conversations.

We've already established your claim
>>532649741
>If you don't believe in a higher power then your stance on morality can't be objective
Is wrong.

Then you also established that your belief in a higher power is malleable and preferential which is opposite of objectivity.

>>532648733
Luciferianism will be the end times religion. Satan still sees himself as Lucifer.

>>532663992
All I'm asking you to do is explain why your expectations are reasonable, and why the outcomes of not following them are bad.

>>532662801
>man doesnt need a creator,
The Creator exists whether you believe you need it or not. And yes we do need Him to know our purpose to guide us and help is achieve the fulfilment of our existence.

>>532664033
What's the differnce between Satan and Lucifer?

>>532662845
christianity is a jewish made religion, its fake like everything else coming from jews.

>>532662952
overall thousands of years of shitty fake religions made all people more retarded no matter what they believe in now.

>>532648733
What book is that screenshot from?

>>532663619
these are also fake and gay and made up, I didnt bother mentioning them because they arent relevant today anymore.
but its basically same fake and gay shit with fake gods.

>>532662709
>communism was invented by jews tho
And viciously promoted and enforced atheism just like you while commiting the worst kind of tortures and genocide. Atheists are a danger to humanity as they have no bounds.

>>532664171
>The Creator exists
life doesnt need a creator to form or exist.

>>532662522
Communism is a political ideology having to do with collective ownership of the means of production.

Atheism is the lack of belief in god.

Nothing to do with each other, faggot.

>>532664469
>And viciously promoted and enforced atheism
they didnt, communism never went against jews.
its basically controlled opposition to make their fake loser religions look better on paper.

>>532664259
Almost as fake as the Earth zooming around space at 66600 mph, the Earth's tilt being 66.6 degrees on the X axist etc
The moon being 400 times smaller than the Sun but also 400 times closer than the Sun thus making them look the same size lol and so on and so forth

>>532662673
>Atheism is a by product of most communist
Atheism is a prerequisite of communism.
You can't be religious and communist.
If you are religious then you are not a communist mote of a "travel comrade" to be discarded later.

>>532662522
Do you know that there's a long history of Christian communism that predates marxism?

>>532664122
>All I'm asking you to do is explain why your expectations are reasonable,
And I answered that by saying their observable outcomes.

Meaning I don't steal from my neighbors because that harms them for my short-term gain. Which then opens the door for retaliation from them personally, or from the law, or both. It creates further distrust in the community.

I can't beleive I really have to explain this but here we are.

>>532664650
secret societies get off on the idea of shilling people some bullshit while they gatekeep the truth.
doesnt mean the earth is flat or whatever other bullshit you are trying to imply.
just means jews juiced the numbers for le scary 666.
if you actually look into that, they had to round things up and do all kinds of tricks to get these numbers.
this is supposed to trick low IQ people into thinking "this cant be le coincidence the fake jew god must be real after all!"
its all bullshit tho.

>>532664532
Communism is a classless society you can't have Christianity and communism because it eventually creates a priest class.

>>532663945
>matter has existed for all of eternity
It did not.
Energy did.
And expanded.
This expansion created matter.

>>532649741
Thats because you have the brains of a shitskin.

>>532664991
communism has its own priest class, remember the party is always right.

>>532664512
Yes it does you rabid.death cultist.
Nothing can be created EX Nihilo i.e. out of nothing.

>>532664752
>You can't be religious and communist.
Incorrect

>Christian communism:
Early experiments like the 19th-century "Christian socialists" or groups drawing from Acts 4:32-35 in the Bible ("all things in common"). Figures like Thomas Müntzer during the German Peasants' War blended radical equality with apocalyptic Christianity. In the 20th century, "liberation theology" in Latin America (e.g., Gustavo Gutiérrez, Leonardo Boff) fused Marxist class analysis with Catholic social teaching—seeing Jesus as liberator of the oppressed. Priests and nuns supported or joined Marxist guerrilla movements in places like Nicaragua (Sandinistas) or El Salvador.

>Islamic socialism/communism:
Think Ali Shariati in Iran, who merged Shia Islam with Marxist anti-imperialism, or various Arab socialist movements (Ba'athism had religious elements early on, though secularized). Some Sufi traditions or modern thinkers have framed zakat and communal ownership in communist terms.

>Buddhist and other Eastern variants:
In places like Vietnam or Mongolia under communist rule, Buddhist monks sometimes cooperated or adapted; there were "Buddhist socialists" in Sri Lanka or Burma. Even in China, post-Mao, there's been selective tolerance or syncretism.

>Real-world examples:
Many rank-and-file communists in Europe, Latin America, or Asia were practicing Christians, Muslims, or Hindus who saw no contradiction in fighting for material equality while holding spiritual beliefs. The Soviet Union persecuted the Orthodox Church heavily, but that was state policy under Stalinist atheism, not a logical necessity of Marxist theory—some Bolsheviks were more tolerant initially. Yugoslavia under Tito had different approaches. Cuba's government eventually reconciled somewhat with the Catholic Church.

>>532664913
And I'm saying that your belief that a trusting community is important, is an act of faith. You cannot make a logical argument about why harming someone, even yourself, is objectively bad.

>>532664613
>they didnt
Liar
>communism never went against jews.
Not at first. Then it turned against their creators and masters.

>>532665163
>out of nothing
its not out of nothing tho, its a natural process that slowly stacks up more complexity over time.
doesnt require a fake and gay jew god or cutting off your foreskin to function.

>>532664840
>Do you know that there's a long history of Christian communism that predates marxism?
Such as?

>>532665366
>Not at first.
never, jews and synagogues were always untouchable.

>>532664958
Why would they trick people into believing flat earth is real with scary fake numbers that seem too coincidental when they could use their reach to support flat earth directly and destroy the globe model?
Makes 0 sense, in fact they created the globe model that disproves God to begin with.

>>532664259
>christianity is a jewish made religion,
That is against jews and you rabidly hate.
How jewish of you!
> its fake like everything else coming from jews.
Like atheism?
Ok schlomo, got it.

>>532665527
>Why would they trick people into believing
the less you know about the real world the better for them.

>>532664322
>overall thousands of years of shitty fake religions made all people more retarded no matter what they believe in now.
Shitty and fake to imbeciles like you. To most people was a mind and soul enlightment and delightment.

>>532648733
Freemasons are always telling lies.
here they are using negative confirmation bias feedback because belief in jewish gods supports their satanism.

>>532665344
>And I'm saying that your belief that a trusting community is important, is an act reasonable expectations
Again, going in circles.

>You cannot make a logical argument about why harming someone, even yourself, is objectively bad.
Correct because I never made this argument. Too many variables/context under the vague term of "harm"

If I harm someone by preventing them from harming me then that's logically reasonable.

If I harm someone by killing an innocent person then that is objectively wrong. We both already agreed to this, which then ended in you agreeing with me

>>532665721
>That is against jews
its really not, christcucks literally worship a jew and finance jews and support jews all the time.
>Like atheism?
you dont need a jew to figure out religions are fake and gay and that gods dont exist.

>>532665950
gullible retarded people like you believe anything a jew tells them.
starts with these loser religions and then spills over into things like the fake covid "vaccines".
only the most imbecile buy into these scams.

>>532665721
>le jewish religion is against the kikes.
in a few excerpts only. their books imply anything. if this is the primary reason you clutch to your jewish pearl you’ve got to give it up boy.

>>532665458
>>532664991
Cuba
Vietnam
Liberation Theology
China (allows religion)
Early Christian communities as described in the Acts of the Apostles

All communist ideologies leave room for religion.

>>532664444
>they arent relevant today anymore.
Narrow minded self centered cretin.
Wtf do you think is the main religion in Asia?
And don't get me started on animism or the population of india for that matter.
Fuck even those commie chink atheist bastards you like so much had to back down and allow traditional chinese religion or risk get blown into oblivion.
I swear to God people like you should be exterminated with impunity. Maybe the burning at the stake was not a bad idea after all.

>>532664184
Satan still sees himself as the light bearer. He thinks he’s the good guy. He won’t have anymore use for atheists when he wants the whole world to worship him.

>>532666605
>He thinks he’s the good guy.
If everything in the Bible is true (it's not), Satan is 100% the good guy.

>>532666605
>when he wants the whole world to worship him.
When does this happen? Kind tired of having to pay bills might as well end the whole charade.

>>532666047
Yet I admitted that my reasoning wasn't based in logic, and was in fact based on faith.
You are living with the delusion that your reasoning is logical when it is in fact just faith obscured through a few layers of mental gymnastics.
Why is hurting people bad? Because it is. Even if there were only two people in a white box and there was an absolute 100% chance that there were no repercussions for one hurting the other, I still think it'd be bad.
If you do too, then your reasoning can't be motivated by illusions like consensus, and community, and reasonable expectation.

>>532666534
all religions and gods are fake and gay, doesnt matter if its some jewish slave religion or some chink religion.
they are both fake and their Gods arent real.
>people like you should be exterminated
religious retards are also bloodthirsty subhumans. it would be far more beneficial to humanity to get rid of people like you.

>>532666496
>All communist ideologies leave room for religion.
Wrong. They don't. Those that you mentioned had to due to people opposition. They have to accept it or risk decommunizing. They hope that with time communism will root our religion. Problem is as long man is born has children gets sick and dies there will alwyas be religion - the connection with the Divine. Bc those show our limitations.
And even without those limitations the Spirit want to return to The Source.
Always and Forever !!! Untill we 're One with our Creator from which we stemmed.

>>532666412
>in a few excerpts only.
Sons of the devil, synagogue of satan
Let me guess, you need more

>>532667088
>Yet I admitted that my reasoning wasn't based in logic, and was in fact based on faith.
I know and you keep trying to project that into me even though I've broken down the logic over and over for my positions.

>>532667121
thats just mental illness you are repeating and trying to sell as fact.
but still, doesnt make your fake god any real.

>>532667054
When you need biometric data to participate in the world economy.

>>532666198
>gullible retarded people like you believe anything a jew tells them.
But enough about you
>starts with these loser religions and then spills over into things like the fake covid "vaccines".
You are the only losers and the vaccines are fake. They are poisons not vaccines.
>only the most imbecile buy into these scams.
You 're a jew.
Cope and seethe moar!
Glory to Christ God Incarnate Resurected and Ascended!

>>532667453
What do your schizo sources say about this? 10 years from now? 20?
20 is too much I don't plan to hang around that much fuck this

>>532665458
Pre-Christian Judaism: Essenes, Quram
Christian: The early community of Jerusalem (as per Acts of the Apostles), monastic communities, the Brethren of the Common Life, Waldensians, Dulcinians, Cathars, Taborite Hussites, some Anabaptist communities like the Hutterites, the Diggers movement, Jesuit Reductions...

>>532667257
how about when Jesus calls the goyim ‘dogs’. or that part where only jews are going to heaven.
it’s so retarded it’s not even funny.

>>532667659
It’s closer than you think. During Covid, a lot of businesses didn’t accept cash. Many people were told point blank “no, jab, no job.”

>>532667278
Hey if it's what makes you comfortable I'm not going to try and take it from you, but if you're going to come out here and go "Well actually you can base morality on logical reasoning without faith" and then pose a bunch of things we only believe in because faith based assertions like "It's wrong if I get hurt" and "It's good to trust people" you should be open to discussion on why those values aren't faith assertions.

Because, you saying:
>Hurting people is bad
>Because it's important to maintain peace
>Because otherwise we'd get observable outcomes
>Where people get hurt

Is the exact same as saying:
>God is good
>Because God says so
>And God wouldn't lie
>Because God is good

>>532667453
they’ll stage a big reset before then.
we’re kind of already there.

>>532666069
>its really not, christcucks literally worship a jew and finance jews and support jews all the time.
It really is and you're arguing in bad faith like all jews do.
Heresies like protestantism arw not christianity even if the call themselves as such.
>>Like atheism?
>you dont need a jew to figure out religions are fake and gay and that gods dont exist.
Religions are not fake and gay, you are tho.
God Allmighty exits without a doubt for it is logical. No man neexs to tell you that
You seem to have a rabid hate against Christ.
Well guess what? He Resurected and soon He will Ascend!
Seethe moar kike!

>>532667925
Meh it's probably at least 10-15 years away, I can't be bothered. Let the kids deal with this nonsense.

>>532668075
>"Well actually you can base morality on logical reasoning without faith"
Which you helped me demonstrate as we both reached the same conclusion on murdering kids.

>>532668075
>Because, you saying:
>>532668075
>Is the exact same as saying:
The difference between you and I is that I logical explained why. Yours is just because your preference in God said so.

>>532665501
>Never
Never say never.
>jews and synagogues were always untouchable.
Educate yourself stupid!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors'_plot
And ease up on that medication. Its turning you into more of a schizo than the dick mutilation.

>>532648847
Demiurge is a title smartass. You have to ponder on what reality is from the framework of humanity. Protip it's consensual therefore who controls the consensus is the demiurge. There are many of them nowadays.
That being said gnostics are massive fags.

>>532668075
>you should be open to discussion on why those values aren't faith assertions.
And I did that too

>>532668401
>Why is hurting people bad
>Because it might make them hurt someone else

>Why is God good
>Because God says so

>>532648733
>Why do Freemasons call atheists retards?
Because their GOD is SATAN.

>>532668540
>>Because it might make them hurt someone else
Why be disingenuous? Quote me exactly

>>532664913
>Meaning I don't steal from my neighbors because that harms them for my short-term gain. Which then opens the door for retaliation from them personally, or from the law, or both. It creates further distrust in the community.
Your inability to argue honestly is very telling

>>532648733
>Is it because atheists are useful idiots enabling them and other satanic cults?
Yep. Hit the nail on the head.

>>532665410
>its not out of nothing tho, its a natural process that slowly stacks up more complexity over time.
It is tho evem if you hate to admit it and implicitly be wrong.
Where does it all comes from and why are you contradicting science? Energy can not be created nor can it be destroyed. Where did it come from?
>doesnt require a fake and gay jew god or cutting off your foreskin to function.
Real Christians do not practicr circumcision. You on the other hand behave like your afflicted by this practice.

>>532668671
Why would anyone pick Satan if he will torture you for all of eternity?

>>532668138
>they’ll stage a big reset before then.
What do you think the FREEMASON are doing right now with ISRAELvsIRAN. They control both sides working for CHABAD. CHABAD IS A HERETICAL CULT

Founded in 18th century Russia, Chabad is a branch of Hasidic Judaism, a form of Orthodox Judaism that promotes Jewish mysticism as the path to enlightenment. Chabad Lubavitchers study the Kabbalah, the satanic creed that erases moral absolutes and believes God is 'subjective'.
>>532668942
>Why would anyone pick Satan if he will torture you for all of eternity?
Good question, they're not Human.

>>532652616
> take advantage of the good will of unsuspecting people, use their laws against them
> oh look that means their devilic shit gives them super powers

>>532649741
It's not simply moral relativism, it's that the person is intrinsically selfish and materialistic. Self-sacrifice is not only irrational, but actually stupid to an atheist. Anything that is detrimental to his own hedonistic experiential reality is. Throwing yourself on a grenade to save your men? Well this is the only life I'll ever have, so fuck it let someone else do that. They are snakes and they out themselves as such when pushed back up against the wall, every single time. They can pretend to grasp the moral objectivity, the spiritual love, the unflinching loyalty into death, the sacrifice, the higher purpose of political undertakings, but they never genuinely do. They can mimic the lingo but never possess these things, because no man who has been dispossessed of his own eternity and nearness to God possibly can. It necessarily and invariably boils down to "how is this going to personally benefit me in my limited time on this earth where my only purpose is my own total enslavement by my hedonistic vices and passions?"
Then when it comes to acting outwardly, because they are dispossessed of their eternity in this way, they don't care about the monstrous things they do to people. They can rob, rape, torture, mutilate, murder with absolute impunity because they believe they will face no consequences for any of it, and in time they begin to actually enjoy this. Nowhere were both of these aspects better exemplified than the difference between the nobility/aristocracy and the judeo-masonic terrorists of the French Revolution. The nobility fought to the last man and died stoically, while the revolutionaries died screaming bloody murder and fainting as they were dragged to guillotine at the hand of the very monster they'd created in the first place.

>>532668713
>>532664913
>Meaning I don't steal from my neighbors, because that harms them for my short-term gain
(I don't hurt others, because:)
>Which then opens the door for retaliation from them personally, or from the law, or both. It creates further distrust in the community.
(They might hurt me, and the community would be worse.)
How does this not imply that hurting people is bad because they might hurt people?

>>532665222
>>You can't be religious and communist
Correct.
>Incorrect
No

All those that you listed were experiments - can we mix religion with communism?
No.
Let's try it! Oh shit, didn't work out.
What now? Remove religion.
Saar people rebelling.
Supress!
Saar, people keep rebelling.
Fug. Ok leave it a little but under tight control.
>Many rank and file saw no contradiction
Bingo. Rank and file did not see it but you can bet your ass the bosses did and those remained rank and file or were simply purged. Just bc some bastardized versions wrre tried doesn't mean they were ideologicaly accurate.
You are overcomplicating things :
Communism bad Promotes atheism which is imbecilic short sighted narrow minded stupidly arrogant and hyperagressive. People like these should be given the opportunity to meet God Face to face asap. Same for all communists.

>nooooooooooooo, i can't be a good person without constant fear of eternal damnation
Every single time.

>>532648733
Because they want you to worship their god so they can keep in power. Atheists throw a wrench into that.
According to yiddish abrahamics, all goyim must worship el/yaweh/whateverthefuckyouwanttocallit in order to be better slaves for them.

>>532669614
As we can see. It isn't because "it just is" it has logical progression via second order of effects etc.

Thanks again for being a good assistant! :^)

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>everytime...EVERY..SINGLE..TIME...

>>532669696
>can we mix religion with communism?
Yup.

>>532667610
you literally worship a circumcised brown jewish subhuman manlet from the middle east as your messias and call me jewish.
funny

>>532669913
>I don't hurt people
>Because they might hurt me
But why is hurting people bad?
Oh let me guess:
>Because they might hurt me

>>532664532
>Nothing to do with each other, faggot.
t. lying jew.
It has everything to do with eachother.
You can't have one with out the other.
Communism does not limit itself to ownership of the means of production but the creation of the new man - imbecilic materialist atheist braindead slave aka worker.
But that's mutt education for you.
Even indoctrination has to be tailored to your low iq. No wonder communism caught on but not all that much in your u shit of a

>>532669951
Both Marx and Darwin were Freemasons and part of the same agenda. It’s all one big psyop.

>>532668942
They don't believe they worship the Christian satan, they believe that satan IS God, the hidden God. They dupe lower level retard good goy masons into believing that Jesus is satan as a means of boiling the frog. They believe that they are the inheritors and safeguard of sacred pharaohnic (Atlantean by extent, if you will) knowledge which first identified satan as the true god, and that this knowledge must be kept hidden from the "profane" (ie anyone who isn't a freemason or kike).
Whether masonry was always specifically like this is impossible to tell, but its luciferian nature has been apparent from the moment its ugly head first came to light.

>>532668173
>Religions are not fake and gay
nope they are fake and gay and their believers are retarded.
>God Allmighty
doesnt exist no matter how hard your limited brown mind is trying to believe the opposite.
>You seem to have a rabid hate against Christ.
I hate all jews since they are all scum.

>>532670137
>But why is hurting people bad?
Why would your God say so?

>>532668448
they literally mention it led nowhere.
so just more fake and gay antisemitism from jews for jews and gullible goyims.

>>532670045
Seethe harder jew!
Oh, and thanks for reinforcing my belief in God! Was getting a bit of ruat around thw edges!

>>532669985
>>can we mix religion with communism?
>Yup.
Nope