How the hell is this 10 point plan 'workable'? every point is a massive loss to the US
>>532675544They're literally all good for the USEven the fees are like 1% for guaranteed safety, that's a lot cheaper than a nuclear war
>>532675544>i cryyou lost, iranny
>>532675674ART OF THE DEAL
>>532675544They're not asking for Trump et al to be handed over to be tried for war crimes.
>>532675544The fastest way to end a war is to lose it. It's 4D chess you wouldn't understand.>The enemy can't checkmate you if you resign first
>>532675544It helps fund Oman in policing the Strait.Trump wins again
>>532675674We already had guaranteed safety before this nonsense
>>532675544This is another temp taco. At the end of the day ask this: Is this the finale that nutandayahoo wants? Cause this isn't it. Which means it's not over. I assume they will say yes to this to lower the oil price, lift markets temporarily, restock and regroup, and attack with a surprise attack on some Friday
>>532675760Indeed. Imagine if we simply… didn’t attack them for no reason. We couldn’t have negotiated this massive and profitable deal after murdering a few little kids and massively radicalizing the entire nation. Trump is simply based. We win again.
>>532675977Obviously not
>>532675544There wasn't any realistic way of winning this anyway
>>532675544Fucking lol trump getting dictated to by the war victors. Too funny
>>532676029Okay just blatantly cope and lie then lol
>>532675544The US lost when it attacked. They can only cut their loss or keep sinking. All of these points are pretty reasonable btw. Any way you cut it, the US will leave this war "weakened", if you believe that world policing and empire building is what is best for the US, and Iran stronger, unless nukes really start flying. That would make the US a pariah though, doesn't matter if it has a quarter of the world's GDP.
>>53267554412D CHESS YOU WOULDN'T GET IT BRO HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
>>532676029IAEA had full access to whatever it wanted inside Iran.
>>5326756741. $2m is the initial offer, subject to negotiation.2. 70% of the ships going through were Chinese. Since China is Iran's ally, they won't have to pay (and why should they? nothing here is China's fault).Per my estimate they're going to make $25m/day from the Hormuz fees. That's basically nothing. Meanwhile the GCC countries will be busy working on inland pipelines to bypass the Hormuz, so even the $25m will reduce to nothing in a few years.You're a seething inbred retard if you see this as anything other than a decisive American victory.
>>532675544I voted for this. Praise be to Allah.
>>532676332Literally what did the US win?
>>532675544You work it by not agreeing to any of those things at all and making a new agreement that includes probably all of the things from our 15 point plan and a little addendum that this is totally what Iran wanted all along so they can save face. It's called diplomacy.
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>>5326765131. The near-total destruction of Iranian conventional armed forces.2. Elimination of most of the top Iranian and IRGC leadership. In a few months, there will be an inevitable power struggle especially since Gayatollah Mojtaba doesn't seem to be very alive. CIA and Mossad won't be sleeping either.3. Strategic deterrence against even thinking about nuclear enrichment.4. Keks and lulz watching brown people die.
>>532675544they said it's for 2 weeks
>>53267554411. Remove israeli nuclear weaponsWould be the ultimate troll play
>>532676332Damn you guys move quick on your shilling.
>>532675544It's that or global economic collapse. Maybe don't start wars the USN has thought were unwinnable even before Shahed spam was a thing.Republicans can never be allowed to dictate foreign policy while Zionism has any sway in the party.
>>532675544No? The fees are tiny for the amount of product on each ship. Private industry pays it, not the US government. US pays no reparations directly.But most important is number 4. Lifting sanctions means trade. Trade means detente. Detente means normalizing relationships. Kikes are seething mad about number 4, they're terrified of Persia and America reaching friendly terms with each other.
>>532676835Okay, then why sign anything? Just keep bombing them. Or even better, arm insurgents.
>>532675544Obviously, the rebuilding contracts will be for USI expect to see a beautiful Trump Tower in Tehran within 3 years.
>>532675544Why did this stupid war begin anyway?I just woke up one day and the news were blasting that the supreme leader is dead.
>>532676940You do realize that LITERALLY every single time anyone says "the corporations will pay for it," the corporations say "lol no" and then jack up the price of goods OR demand bailouts from the government. Gods you're so fucking stupid.
>>532675544Negotiating at all is a loss. Negotiating instead of just simply winning the war and forcing a surrender means you're treating your enemy as an equal, or at least as a threat. But this is the number 1 economy and leader of the free world negotiating with a poor backwards shithole that has been under sanctions for decades.
>>532676835My brother I don't think the other guy was the retarded one.
>>532675544>concession, but impossible to do more than just promise>implied>means nothing to america>this is the only real concession>depends what those allies do from now on>desirable>iran now voluntarily supporting our currency>means nothing to america>means nothing to america>hooray, america doesn't have to pay reparationsLooks good.
>>532677135>Why did this stupid war begin anyway?trump's egobasically people want to blame the jews, but you cant keep using that scapegoat foreverit really it is all on trump
>>532677202>If you kill the enemy, you lose.>If you accept their surrender, you lose.Obvious iranian VPN nigger.
>>532677286But why sign anything? Why not just push the advantage?
>>532676835ok, but other than offering up blood sacrifices to baal, what did you gain?
>>532677347they haven't signed anything.
>>532676835>The near-total destruction of Iranian conventional armed forces.Wasrael is getting hammered right now
>>532677135It seems as if the jews really hate iran, and they are the ones who bankrolled trump and got him elected, so I guess he had to go to war for them.
>>532677321>iranian VPNKEK we're reaching NAFO-tier copes now
>>532677321>If you accept their surrender, you lose.No you retard, I said the opposite. If you accept their surrender you win. If the supposedly weaker party brings the supposedly stronger party to the negotiating table, with their own demands as a starting point, I'm starting to reconsider if they're really the weaker party
>>532677135Trump is a retarded narcissist basically
>>532677319He's the first jewish president, after all.
>>532675544I doubt a single one of these is going to happen. They'll just "negotiate" for two weeks and either start shooting again or not bother shooting at each other again because it was pointless the first time.
>>532677438I count Israel as brown people too. You don't?
>>532675544Trump is absolutely fucking useless
>>532676332Oil and gas are not the only thing ships carry through the strait, they also carry food, fertilizer, electronics etc. and nothing can beat shipping in cost effectiveness.>decisive American victory with these termsHow long has Iran been under US sanctions? How popular was the regime before and after the war? You achieved fuck all, mate. You burned through billions of dollars in less than a month, burned through a huge chunk of your stock of strategic weapons and there will probably be no US bases in the middle east after this. Also, expect a record defense budget to replenish weapons stocks. That's more national debt spent on the military industrial complex instead of social programs.
>>532675544It's workable if Iran is willing to give some up on their end. We don't need or want to put pressure on them if they agree to give up their nuclear ambitions. That's the whole point.
>>532677135>wealth transfer>Trump does what Israel tells him
>>532675544US has no leverage to counter any of it.
>>532675544>$2M per tanker pppppffffffftttttttt
>>532676332Israel being forced to stop being nonces is singlehandedly a massive loss to the US and Israel, fuck're you on about
>>532675544donlad trup; art of the meal
>>532676332There are 100 ships a day, that's 200 million dollars a day, 73 billion dollars a year. That's like 25% of Iran's GDP lol. That's a fucking lot of money.
>>532677700>Iran was secretly developing nuclear weaponsWay more likely now and after the war than before with much more radical figures sharing power in Iran than before.
>>532675544>every point is a massive loss to the USYes, that's what happens when you let jews have any power; you lose.
>>532675544Trust the planAll will be revealed in two weeks
>>532675674the strait was open without fees prior to the orange retard starting this war for israel
>>532676332Hey dumbass you're forgetting this part. Gee, $100 billion refunded overnight and a perpetual revenue stream that they're free to charge whatever the fuck they want.Fucking dumbass retard miggers always post disingenuous shit like this I want to flatten your fucking head with a brick for even entertaining the idea this is a US victory
>>532675544>shart of the fartWe are witnessing and empire dying.
>>532675544Because Trump was never going to pull the trigger. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you, fool me again???? He was never capable or determined. Lacked all conviction outside of the lackluster. If you're going to go in. Why did you make a mess of it. This is an escape plan. It wins nothing. Punch those 10 points into Aladdin? Bye bye American pie. He's empowered Iran even more. Now he's forced to deal. I mean force to deal now. What does he ceed to them?They never needed nukes to beat him either.
>>532677956>raise prices of oil from the middle eastSeems pretty good for a net exporter that doesn't go through the strait.
>>532676835so literally nothing tangible for american citizensmeanwhile we still cant afford groceries and no pedophiles are in prison
>>532676940>Kikes are seething mad about number 4, they're terrified of Persia and America reaching friendly terms with each otherRight, im sure that the fundamentalist muslim radicals are actually just waiting to be friends with America. They want a McDonalds and Walmart in every city. They have completely changed their mind about terrorism and hanging their own citizens for removing their sheets.
>>532675544So no regime change?
>>532675544>permanent end to the war>we don't have to pay reparations for the war>hormuz openhow is this a "massive loss"?
>>532676835That money they are going to get is going to give Iran a fuck ton of shiny new toys to play with
>>532677135because people wouldnt shut up about epstein
>>532677531>>532677806>>532677869>the us has no leveragePoints 1,2,3 are basically "Please stop bombing the shit out of us... Please....">>53267788870% of the ships are Chinese. So it's effectively a transfer of wealth from China to Iran.US doesn't get any oil and gas through the Hormuz btw.
>>532676940Companies footing the bill? Are you retarded?
>>532678370hormuz was open before trump killed americans for israel and there were no feesalso iran was sanctionedretarded migger
>>532675544Workable basis for negotiation, you fucking simpleton.
>>532677888how many of those 100 ships are chinese, which wont be paying any fees? run your math again, sweatie
>>532677700Trump did all this just to go back to the Obama-Era Iran deal.This clownworld is even funnier than the last one.
>>532675544>every point is a massive loss to the USA massive loss to the US or to Israel? Only the 7th point would hurt USA really.
>>532675544the "US" was never taken into considerationthis is all to further line the pockets of the already massively wealthy. it has nothing to do with the working class except to further ruin their lives as an unconsidered consequence.
>>532678187For 5 minutes. Nobody is trading dollars in the next 5. Or anything else from America. What does it buy there?America didn't protect Allies. Everywhere hosting Americans was attacked and significantly damaged by hosting Americans. You couldn't win a war, and you lost control over a waterway. Nobody needed nukes either. Hey at least you made chump change. Profiting for 5 minutes of madness. Oil still flows. Without you.
>>532677286Iran just became rich and control the strait. The US has essentially been given a huge black eye in their military power and now you best believe those defense budgets will triple to offset those losses of equipment and munitions and you my friend will be paying for it.
Well, the entire world loses in this massively idiotic war thst should never have taken place.The US achieved nothing while spending a lot of money in the kike plan to destroy Iran.The rest of the world will pay for it to be rebuilt through the newly instated Hormuz toll.We still have to deal with the economic impact of the oil disruption and refineries that were destroyed.And the fertilizer is already too late for the planting season, i.e. famine and food inflation is likely.
>>532675544ok but this is just the Art of the Deal tho
The whole thing was about fucking up the cost of oil for china and the rest of world without going through America.This achieves that with their tanker tax, Oman crude will be more expensive.America and sell "freedom oil".
>>532677433Best belive Iran won't budge from their demands. They have nothing to lose from this.
>negotiatenoting will happenyoure all retards
>>532676332Ngl we did fuck their shit up and just said "ok ok no more fighting."
>>532678816Yup. Hosting the American military just puts a massive target on your back anytime the jews have a schizo meltdown for zero benefit otherwise.
>>532678816Lol sure. Remind me, who's actually using oil going through the strait? Who is spending which percentage of nato's budget?If this is also an excuse to stop funding the caliphate of Europe's defense, seems like a master stroke. Nato is a useless parasite on the American taxpayer. Trump kicked the beehive and hopefully will then leave Europe with the consequences while being able to cut (or at least focus) military spending.Tbh it'll just result in more money to jews though. Didn't happen, they deserved it, etc.
>>532678465Who do you think pays the bill you fucking retard.>noo but they'll pass the price to the consumerWhich is not the government. In fact it's not even the US consumer, it's the asian consumer since they're the ones buying that oil.
>>532678292Shia Muslims in Iran aren’t the Arab stereotype in your head. They’re culturally very similar to Mongolia from being a part of the khanate. Arab and Indian Islamists are largely inbred faggots and retards but that’s more racial than it is religious. Most of the terrorist stereotypes you understand come from racial radical Arabs who were funded by kikes ie ISIS, Al Qaeda
>8D chess to artificially raise China's oil pricesTrump is legitimately a fucking beast, holy shit
>>532677571Iran essentially controls the strait right now. No ships are crossing that haven't made a deal or are allies like China. That is already happening. What makes you think it won't?
>>532677319I will continue to blame jews as long as they keep doing terrible, evil things.I just am. And you can't stop that.
>>532675544Trump doesn't have the cards
>>532678695Except now Iran is going to be raking in cash
>>532678370>how is this a "massive loss"?You launched a war to get Iran to stop its missile program and uranium enrichment all while refusing to go back to the terms of the JCPOA which they were calling for.You get none of that, Iran now controls the Hormuz it had no regal authority on, gets a revenue source from it that is higher than its entire petroleum industry, enacts the lifting of all sanctions that were ever imposed on it (including primary and secondary sanctions), lays this peace umbrella under all its network of allies. This is not just a massive loss, it's the biggest loss in American history. And that's how i know it's fake.Of course, this will never come to fruition and the 2 week ceasefire will only serve both sides to replenish and get their pieces in position again.
>>532676332Holy fucking cope
>>532676332Dear god migacope is unparalleled
>>532678394>US doesn't get any oil and gas through the Hormuz btw.
>>532675674You honestly think USA can control Israel? Lmao
>>532679545>>532679556sorry you lost, trannies
>>532675544kikes like the OP mad we won't help them attack their neighbors anymore
>>532676835>The near-total destruction of Iranian conventional armed forces.So why ask for a ceasefire? Why are miggers so stupid?
>>532675544VAE VICTIS
>>532675544>Start a war with a country that wants nothing to do with you.>Surrender to their terms after a month of getting your shit kicked in.>WE WON!I really need to get the fuck out of this country man. I'm literally surrounded by retards.
>>532675544>Doesn't explicitly state an end to bombing israel>America signing ends the 'war' with americalmao
>>532676940>Kikes are seething mad about number 4, they're terrified of Persia and America reaching friendly terms with each other.It doesn’t even have to be friendly. But realpolitik 101 is that even if you are a major power that has a smaller “ally” in a given region you should never let them come to dominate that region and especially shouldn’t assist them in it because all it does is reduce the major power’s leverage and ability to influence that ally. An Israel that is counterbalanced by a stable Iran that we have some partnerships with as well allows us to push and pull to prevent any one side from becoming too independent and able to push us around. Of course this isn’t a realistic scenario because most of the US government is either directly or indirectly controlled by Israelis. It’s basically a satellite state for most of our elites so it will never be treated as a separate entity with interests that come after those of American citizens
>>532679696Iran asked for a ceasefire. The US had B-52s on route that turned back after Trump's announcement.
>>532677048jew
>>532675544>1. we can always betray this when we want>2 ditto>3 who gives a fuck about Lebanon. Israel can stop being a nigger and attacking it >4...>5Good. We don't want fighting in the middle east>6 based>7...>8Okay>9Rules? Stop being a nigger and shooting at ships>10That means we don't need to pay
>>5326755441. Neutral2. Mutually-beneficial3. Mutually-beneficial. Do you want Lebanese refugees flooding the West?4. Mutually-beneficial. The U.S. already resorted to lifting sanctions on Iranian oil after Trump fucked up the prices for the whole world5. Neutral6. Good for U.S.7. Good for Iran8. Bad for Iran9. Beauracracy is gay10. Good for Iranian civilians, neutral for everybody else
>>532679864That's not how it looks like at all. It looks like Pakistan being asked by the US to present itself as asking the US for a ceasefire. One thing we know for sure is that it was an intervention from China that got the Iranians to agree to the ceasefire, likely a mix of threats and guarantees if the war restarts.There wouldn't be no mention of Trump about accepting the maximalist Iranian 10 points plan as a foundation for the peace negociations if the initiative really came from them. It's a free humiliation ritual.
>>532678519Fucking this. Any attempt to 'spin' this as a win is retarded. If this deal goes through he just handed them way more money in perpetuity than Obama ever did
>>532675544ART OF THE DEAL BABY
>>532675544US won't leave the region. They won't pay Iran back.Everything else will be accepted.
>>532675544Not a loss to us. A loss to Israel. We don't really care at the end of the day.
>>532679646Are you jewish?
>>532676332>what is Jebel Ali>where is Houthilol migtard cope + amerimutt education is a great source of comedy
>>532675544>terms are dogshit and humiliatingYeah. That’s what happens when you lose.
>>532678816Pure cope. America just brought a country to its knees from across the globe. A country that was supposed to be the big bad final boss of the Middle East. The only other military in the world that can compare to Iran is China, and they sat on their thumbs like cuckolds for the whole conflict. This is a decisive American victory (happened in a month, incurred low double digit losses) and you will kneel before us like the good little sheep you are
>>532675544this does seem like a workable basis.but israel will never stop attacking
>>532675544Lol. Lmfao.The plan must be>let's have talks so we can figure out who the leadership is>after 2 weeks we'll kill them all and retryAnything less is embarrassing. There's also the possibility we're hoping for internet to get turned on so we can hear about what's happening inside the country and actually find an opposition force to support. Absolutely bizarre, I want to see US proposal because both sides are likely unhinged.>>532676332>decisive victoryThis is pretty far from that. Our started goals are>Eliminate Nuclear AmbitionsDefinitely degraded through bombing. But Iran retains ability to pursue.>Destroy Missile and Drone CapabilityBy military doctrine, 50% attrition is "destroyed". Likely met this objective. Iran retains ability to rebuild. >Neutralize Naval PowerAchieved. But largely a silly goal because it was their missiles that really posed risk. Iran retains ability to rebuild. Iran conflict military objectives achieved. However, >Iran still able to influence strait movement>Iran still able to pursue nuclear ambitions>Iran not paying reparations to gulf "friends" will only result in future conflict>information warfare significant weakness for US highlighted and likely to be exploited by enemies in the future>russia made big money>NATO allies pissed we're starting conflicts while charging them $ for weapons to Ukraine, then requesting their ships for supportPositive highlights for US>Cost of US war is immediate decapitation of leadership- unacceptable risk for CCP>US military capable of meeting military objectives (political willpower and determination are lacking factors)- foreign adversaries know they can't preempt America or else unifying message will result in determination for prolonged conflict. Ie- best case outcome: "important people immediately die and my despot nation needs to survive while we watch all military capability get reduced to rubble and left vulnerable to domestic and international militaries"
>Dubai and the middle east no longer seen as safe>surveillance is at an all time high in the US and getting pushed massively >Super tax cuts>clean energy is getting progressively betterI think Trump has somehow found a way to get the elite back to America while simultaneously causing Iran to have to hold the bag of a soon to be failing system I got a feeling about something...
>>532675544>How the hell is this 10 point plan 'workable'? every point is a massive loss to the USits all part of the plan, fake peace is part of their prophecy
>>532675544Israel will never go for this as-is so the US will not either.
>>532680406Obviously, the whole you lost thing has been a jidf shill line since the election.
>>532677995Oh no! Anyway, we will see just how many assets are unfrozen during the course of this negotiation. Panicans like you will be unpleasantly surprised LMAO
>>532675544>In response to the brotherly request of PM Sharif in his tweet, and considering the request by the U.S. for negotiations based on its 15-point proposal as well as announcement by POTUS about acceptance of the general framework of Iran's 10-point proposal as a basis for negotiationsTrump countered with 15 points of his own, cancelling out the 10. Then he made them do the human chain to boot, kek
>>532675544Trump the biggest cuckold on earth besides his supporters
>>532675544its that or we let china invade taiwan to keep from china attacking usa. if usa controls the straight of hormuz china either retaliates or does nothing
>>532677995lol that's not all Iran also wants about a trillion in reparations
>>532675544Winning kinda sucks, dudes, if this is what it looks like lol.
>>532680532Trump had to request $200 billion after only killing 2,000 people. That's way more expensive murder than what we're used to. Israel probably charged half that amount to murder 100x that number of civilians
>>532680858What’s with you miggers and not being able to speak basic English?
>>532675674You run a business. The mob moves in, and you now pay a fee, otherwise you will get destroyed by the mob. Are you better off before the mob forced you to pay up? That's a loss.
>>532680858>china either retaliates or does nothing>china either does something or does nothingsome real big brain analysis here
>>532680532>America just brought a country to its knees from across the globe.Didn’t realize getting everything you asked for after never capitulating in the face of constant threats for 6 weeks that are then immediately proven to be nothingburgers when ignored is being brought to your knees. Interesting
you lost yankee
>>532675544Eat shit and die, jew.
>>532680945>only 2000 peopleI thought the US and Israel murdered 30k innocent wholesome schoolgirls though?
>>532677135irans allies in syria and lebanon defeated in 2024 which opened way for aggression against iran
>>532680633>By military doctrine, 50% attrition is "destroyed". Likely met this objective. Iran retains ability to rebuild.That assessment is wildly optimistic and wrong. Before the start of this war, the US had three estimates, a low estimate, a mid and a high. The high was Iran having 2500 missiles in stock. They fired that number during this war. And they were firing at a steady rate of 30 to 50 per day all while accounting for the escalation ladder and the fact the war could go on for years.Imagine how absurdly low that highest estimate was. And what intelligence does that new estimate of 50% destroy rely on? Because the previous one definitely was massively underestimating their stockpiles. I've also seen new estimates ranging between 5000 to 8000 remaining. Does that mean that the 50% destroyed figure includes the ones they fired during that war (2500 fired and used and 2500 destroyed and 5000 still in stock)?Today, for the first time, the Iranians gave an accurate figure about the number of missiles they have in stock, they said the figure is 14,000 but i think it's too high and a bluff. However, i also think the 50% destroyed estimate to be a saving face measure or worse, another miscalculation.
>>532679587Since WTI was stable and reliable, its price shot up higher than Brent because it was safer and more reliable. Oil companies sell to the highest bidder.
>>532675544It's workable and reasonable.
>>532681114Bad strawman. It was like 170. Nobody claims otherwise. Is that not enough schoolgirls murdered to get you off Trump's microdick?
>>532680858This war have proven that the PLAN would dogwalk the US out of the Pacific and Trump would find a way to fuck up diplomacy such that Japan, etc sit by and let it happen.
>>532680983I didn’t either. I was under the impression that getting all of your top military and political leaders killed, your entire Navy obliterated, your airspace buttfucked on a daily basis, your missile and mobile launcher arsenal depleted, and all of your infrastructure threatened with an invisible guillotine (the threat of American stealth bombers) to the point that you surrender your only leverage (the strait) and agree to talks was what constituted being brought to your knees. Your understanding seems WAY more retarded KEKAROOO
>>532675544What fucking retard would not accept thisIsrael needs to get the fuck out of Lebanon. That is a religious conflict, not a geopolitical one. The ebul terrorists are purely reactionary and only do shit when israel murders palestinians. Israel has denough e-fucking-nough against hezbollah. The pagers were criminal. These civilian evictions and destroyed bridges are the kind of shit god would destroy israel again for. Yes, he’s ordered wars before, but all of those are over, and he hasn’t spoken to the jews in thousands of years. t. An uncircumcized jew
>>532680532>americans surrender to insanely bad terms>decisive american victoryI guess, man.
>>532681250Bot or NPC desperate to make it seem this isn't hilarious, which it is.
>>532681253Great strawman actually, because if 170/2000 people killed in this war (on the Iranian side) were schoolgirls, then that means you unironically believe that 8.5% of the casualties from this war were from a single strike out of the thousands of strikes that happened. So… are you sure you want to stick with that? It’s way too retarded to be true. The actual death toll for Iran is easily in the 10’s of thousands, with many more wounded.
>>532681339Iran was built to be a fortress. Nothing we did to them will hinder them much in the long term, and accomplished nothing but giving them a huge reason to never trust us and to increase ties to China and Russia instead.>to the point that you surrender your only leverage (the strait) and agree to talksThis didn’t happen though did it? The US agreed to Iran’s terms. Why didn’t they agree to our terms if they were surrendering? Wouldn’t that have been there only option?
>>532681409>thirdie doesn’t know how ceasefires work>ceasefire terms are “we stop bombing you, you stop bombing us, you open up the strait, and we have some negotiations
>>532677888and all of it is going to go to repairing all the shit we fucked up. big fucking whoop.
>>532681409How are these bad terms?Go ahead. Please remember, 1: nuclear iran has been a lie for 50 years worth of imminent warnings 2: iran has never attacked except when others attack their allies. surprise. don’t start wars if you don’t want to fight them. These are sensible terms of surrender in a war of aggression where one of the aggressors has committed a genocide in living memory and the other has threatened to commit one. t. An uncircumcized jews
>>532681917Iran hasn't stopped bombing lol
>>532675544that's what happens when you lose a war, anon
>>532679189What the fuck does this war have to do with NATO, it's not like we tried to put a coalition together, we didn't even consult them before attacking on Israel's orders. NATO is a defensive alliance.
>>532681664>then that means you unironically believe that 8.5% of the casualties from this war were from a single strike out of the thousands of strikes that happened.Yes. HRANA says 3,540, but still one of - if not the most - expensive ratios in any recent war. Billions lost daily just from closing the Strait. https://solability.com/news-insights/iran-war-marginal-cost
>Iran now has $9 billion per year in new revenue>Definitely not going to use that money for enriching more uranium, pinky swearThis is good how?
>>532682104Yeah the Greeks called it Viagra Victus.
>>532682199>This is good how?Because they'll nuke israel
>>532682199It’s genius you see. It was totally worth it to attack Iran for no reason so the global energy market could get fucked up for 6 weeks and we could blow a couple hundred billion in munitions. Now we just have the same status quo as at the beginning of the year but we just give more money to Iran than before. Total American victory.
>>532682199if Iran gets nukes the US won't bomb them anymore, so we won't have another Hormuz crisis that makes oil skyrocket again. At this point it's good for international stability.
>>532682199That's Israel's problem. Israel has nukes, they can hit Iran if they want. Not the US's problem, and it never was. I only care what happens to the Americas, Japan, Australia, and Europe. We have to get rid of the scourge of progressivism and communism/antifa. These are existential threats to us all. Not Iran.
>>532682087iran just did what every single european country, even with their half-assed confederacy, has blustered and cried about doing since immemorial. they are mortified because iran just won more respect (and won more in general) than europeans will ever have. they have been exposed for doormats.all the seething you see from now on will be humiliated europeans and retarded chinese netizens who seethe for no reason.
>>532680633Fair analysis. I will say though:>>Eliminate Nuclear Ambitions>Definitely degraded through bombing. But Iran retains ability to pursue.Arguably, this whole war was necessary because sanctions didn't deter Iran enough from pursuing enrichment. I think the strategic deterrence from violence will actually work.
>>532681227Honestly it's anyone's guess. It's relatively simple to turn a logistician and get the count, which CIA/Mossad have likely done and that's where bad numbers are coming from. It's most likely not even the Iranians have an accurate count or the people who didn't have compartmentalized information got killed. I tend to think they're bluffing about the escalation ladder- after the military decapitation leadership likely opened the doomsday letters and went full send. We see 160-350 fired first 4 days. That number reduced down to ~20/day by april. To be clear: 20/day is still a "fuck you" amount and can control the strait. Which is why I dislike the military categorization of "destroyed" because it still influences the geopolitical landscape.
>>532676332>inland pipelines to bypass the HormuzAre these missile-proof pipelines? If not what's the point?
>>532675544In what way? None of that matters to us?
>>532682512It is better for the US and the world for Iran to have nukes. Literally the only reason you wouldn’t want them to have nukes is if you’re an Israeli. Feed and sneed.
>>532675544>How the hell is this 10 point plan 'workable'? every point is a massive loss to the USOps pic is not real, that is why. According to Al Jazeera and really anyone else that is NOT-facebook, the details of the actual plan are unknown. Iran state media made some outlandish claims about their terms but thats just to puff themselves up for domestic politics. The real plan will be revealed over the next week or so.
>>532675544The losers don't get to decide the terms. The US WILL bow down to their Iranian victors.
>>532675544Fuck israel...power to iran
>>532677135One day, for no reason at all, ben and yahoo decided it wanted to bomb iran instead of libya or palestine again.They then told their bestest goy trump to launch missles as well.A little over a month later, here we are.
>>532675544>How the hell is this 10 point plan 'workable'? every point is a massive loss to the USchecked, trump tactically achieved us not speaking of him raping and eating kids with kike jeffrey epstein.
>>532677135Israel attacked iran and told americans that if they didn’t start shooting, iran had already blamed them and they would be obliterated. Which was true. Trump was still in bed.
>>532682512I disagree. If regime stays in place I believe they'll double down on nuclear pursuit once trump is out of office. It's the only logical choice when you know the US has proven it's an existential risk. I mean, if Iran becomes daisies we have to habitually mow down, I'm personally in favor of that strategy instead of occupation. Fuck Iraq 2.0.
>>532677674>and there will probably be no US bases in the middle east after this.lol sure
>>532675544what's workable is it used to be a list of preconditions to talks.what changed, when our b-2s were almost done with their 10 hour trip, was that iran dropped its preconditions and changed them to a "framework"
>>532683091There was a religious fatwa already in place by the now dead leader which banned the creation of nukes. If Iran actually wanted to build a nuke they could have done it very easily and quickly in the past several decades. At this point it’s far less likely they honor this as it’s clear without nukes there is truly zero deterrent to being conventionally bombed and potentially invaded 4 no raisin and they clearly cannot and should not trust any apparent diplomatic overtures promising otherwise.
>>532675544Only if you care about Kikes.Drop the kikes in the garbage and you get the entire oil producing middle east on side without expending money, get paid part of the toll everyone else will have to pay and Murica gets a massive W.
>>532682702Or France. Muzzies love their terrorist attacks in France. Iran would give a terror cell a nuke just to get back at an artist drawing Mohammed. On second thought- maybe we should give Iran a nuke or two.
>>532683112why keep them when you'll just evacuate them at first sight of trouble? they have proven pretty useless in this war
>>532676835Except Iran is going to build Nukes now retard and nothing can stop them now. None of your points are even valid but thats the most retarded one. If US doesn't get the enriched Uranium and regime change, Iran 1000% are going to build nukes now. Its their only way to guarantee US and Isreal play fair. They see how US and Isreal have bullied every nation in the region who gave up their Nuclear programs. If it werent for their ballistic missiles US ans Isreal would have crushed them. With nukes they get left alone just like North Korea.
>>532675544Trump was on the heels of nuking them. The forever war is a loss. It ends now one way or another.
>>532682512Ur a retard lmao.
>>532678816>alliesLike who? The socialist West is worse than useless and it is forbidden for Islamic countries to align with infidels.
>>532683091There was so much "nuke em" rhetoric coming from Americans that pursuing nukes is a very dangerous thing for them.One of the grim revelations of this war is that the American public actually doesn't mind nukes falling on a Middle East country. It was actually Trump who had to be the grown up and say "nothing implies [nukes]".If Iran does a nuclear test, there is a very real risk that the US and Israel will do preemptive first strikes.>>532683290Iran immediately enriched its uranium to 60% after Trump scrapped the JCPOA. They now have a 0.5 tons of uranium useless for any purpose other than making a bomb.If there was a fatwa, nobody in Iran gave a shit about it.
>>532683331Kikes get what they want too. Or what they profess to want, which is the only thing that matters: A guarantee iran won't be a threat. Any secret desires they may have are totally irrelevant, but that's what's causing them to seethe. The problem is these not-so secret desires of theirs aren't marketable to anyone. So if/when they violate the peace, they're in serious trouble.
>>532675544>Iran: We need a guarantee you or Israel won't attack us anymore.>Mutterica: THAT is a massive loss, deal off the table.KEK
>>532675884Unironically Also how else was it supposed to end? Oh let me guess 30 million dead Iranians under siege for the next 30 years and nothing else gain but billions sunk operational costs and lost American lives. We got what we wanted, out of Israel’s illegally started war which they are now no where to be found in
>>532683395Iran derangement Syndrome. Ur a retarded bot who cant think or research for yourself so you suck up kike narratives like a cum guzzlin faggot. Show one source or actual proof of Iran attacking anyone. Inb4 you spew more kike narratives to backup your kike narratives. Faggot retard.
>>532677898Sharing power? Ya ok. That would t happen. Most likely scenario is an iran civil war due to a power struggle
>>532676087Winning what? A captive population of 100 million peasants that we then be responsible for, or did you plan to steal their land and live there?
>>532676011Fuck melikowski no one cares what that rat fucking wants. I hope he's strapped to a chair right now.
>>532683709>One of the grim revelations of this war is that the American public actually doesn't mind nukes falling on a Middle East countrylol wut? Where’d you get that impression? Nuking a country in a war of aggression we started because Israel has our government’s balls in a vice grip would be utter global meltdown and wildly politically unpopular outside of anyone who isn’t Jewish or a 60 year old evangelical retard.The fact is that there is no scenario where Iran shouldn’t build a nuke. There is no logical reason for them to not do it. Israel and its golem can literally always just claim they’re building one or trying to build one and use that to justify mass bombings and invasions regardless of whether it’s true. How do you prove that you aren’t? In other words, they can either not build a nuke, inevitably get accused of trying to do it, and then get bombed and fucked with whenever schizo kikes feel like it, or they can build one and finally have the ability to prevent Israel from dragging the US into a retarded schizo campaign
>>532683290The absolutely grim realization is we've hardened Iranian resolve to create nukes. Regime change or a complete denuclearization. The country can buy solar panels from their friend China and use all the oil they export. But it's a fucked situation. Domestic policy wise he can't say "regime change." But it's basically required. We can only take solace in knowing that Isreal will be the first target, second they'll aim at a city which tends to be full of trannies and lefties.
>>532683929>Show one source or actual proof of Iran attacking anyone.It's literally in the OP of this thread:>3. End to Israeli strikes in Lebanonreferring to Hezbollah, Iran's proxy>5. End to all regional fighting against Iranian allies>Iranian alliesIsrael is fighting Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis. Iran calls them "allies". Is that proof enough or do you still think Iran funding Hamas and Hezbollah is a kikespiracy?
>>532676011You can predict they're gonna violate peace (lol they will). So let them do it on the world stage.
>>532676940>Private industry pays itThat just means the cost gets passed down to us, retard. It always ends up coming out of OUR pockets. What the fuck is this bullshit
>>532675544>loss to the USLmao. No one wants this kike desert war except Israel.
>>532683709History shows what the US will do once Iran shows a successful nuclear test. No they wont pre emptive strike thats retarded. Are you too young remember North Korea? Thats another country the US said was led by a mad man who could not be allowed nukes or they would attack the world.....and they didn't and we left them alone once they proved they can defend themselves with nukes.
The US would have needed tens of thousands of ground troops to open the Strait. It would cause hundreds, if not thousands, of US casualties.The Strait is now open with zero US casualtiesTrump won bigly
>>532682723End to conflicts+passage protocols+no sanctions+reconstruction fit well with the 10 points in the xost, desu. Like, yeah, details are unknown, but even just regime preservation+lifting sanctions is objectively an iranian victory.
>>532684325We left them alone because NK wasn't run by a maniac and just wanted to be left alone. Remember all the meetings that Trump had with Little Button Man?Iran can't keep themselves from playing world police against Israel.
>>532676011>At the end of the day ask this: Is this the finale that nutandayahoo wants? Cause this isn't it. Which means it's not over. I assume they will say yes to this to lower the oil price, lift markets temporarily, restock and regroup, and attack with a surprise attack on some Fridayits absolutely 100% this and there can literally be ZERO doubt it will go any other way
>>532684180>Is that proof enough or do you still think Iran funding Hamas and Hezbollah is a kikespiracy?Proof enough of what exactly? Israel is being funded by the US, what is that proof of?Both Hezbollah and Houtis were founded before any tie with Iran was established and only gained it along the way, gradually. They're ideologically aligned because they represent theologically aligned populations, and they happen to have the same interests. You don't need a system of vassalage under this configuration.
>>532684180Yeah you are a retard everyone knows Iran is defending themselves and US and Isreal snuck attacked them during negotiations. The fact you can't even respond in good faith shows what smooth brained retard you are. Sub 80 iq retard.
>>532682087>permanent unilateral NAP>your allies dont attack my allies (I can and I AM attack your allies btw)>you dont attack my allies and proxies and leave me as main regional power.>lift all sanctions>permanent control of hormuz. tollbooth installedMoron if even half of these get into the final peace agreement it would be a devastating defeat for the US.Iran is your sworn enemy. Their national identity is built around the US being the Great Satan and Iran being a bulwark of Islam against jews and westerner liberals, they finance every anti-US and anti-West operation they can.Even a status quo ante with any of these conditions would be a defeat for the US. The hegemon can't stalemate a war, you either win like in Venezuela or you just lose.
>>532675544Anyways the real loss here is the dollar. That little "were going to end a civilization" made it clear to every other nation that the US empire can't be trusted. We're literally cooked in a generation even if Trump magically got everything he wanted from Iran tomorrow.
>>532684381Yes. The US could have committed to a ground invasion to get their desired terms but knew it would be total domestic freakout and a massive economic investment for no real gain, so they took the L and allowed Iran to dictate reopening it instead. All it shows is that starting the attack in the first place/allowing Israel to lead us into it was retarded.
>>532675760SHART OF THE SQUEAL
So Trump fought a war to open a straight that was already open?Brilliant
>>532684446Yeah you were probably a kid you dont remember how NK played out at all. Lmao what a fucking idiot.
>>532676029Maybe not with the US only remaining "ally" constantly bombing them. Which isn't resolved at all and will destroy peace negotiations until they are wiped off the map...
>>532684516I really hope this is sarcasm or flamebait.
>>532683709Tbh, when isn't there "nuke em" rhetoric though? People saying that shit about Afghan, Vietnam, Iraq, Korea, etc. The only real difference is this time it was the president implying it. But that isn't really surprising given his unique diction. But on your last point>preemptive nukesLegitimately scary. But likely approved by Russia, and strong condemnation by China. EU will have lots of conversations and huffing about it with both support but largely condemnation if tends continue. ME will be quiet publicly but behind closed doors fist bumping.>>532683929Lmfaoing at your life. It's called a joke. Take the VPN off. Where are you from nerd?
>>532684529It goes without saying that allowing Iran to have nukes would be even worse than any of these, of course.Your victory plan cant include giving your enemy nukes so they dont attack your ships, that's called losing.
>>532675544This is a terrible deal Donald, you have to go back and negotiate. We'll commit random acts of violence to agitate both sides. -the Jews
>>532675544Trump fucked up, and has very little choice in the view of the world.
>>532684699Go ahead and actually refute it then. Iran is not the aggressor in this conflict. There I simplified it for you you retarded faggot. Refute it then dipshit.
>>532684821chang, you have to go back now. your h1b is cancelled.
>>532677286Charging fees on oil vessels raises oil prices worldwide mutt. As seen now gas prices increased in the US even if the US was fully self sufficient on oil. And as the biggest economy US will pay the lion share trough inflation. You guy literally lost a war and are being forced to pay reparations in CHINESE YUAN. I can't imagine how it could have gone any worse.
>>532675544The important question that you should be asking > how is it enforceableTrump has declared victory, left Israel to sort its own shit and India, China to work with Iran for the safe passage of their oil tankers. Trump won’t pay any money for damages, etc. Iran lacks the means to enforce anything against the U.S.
>>532684446you pathetic piece of shit kike, the good news is, jews are fucked harder now than at any point in their post 1948 history
>>532684559How is zero American casualties to open the Strait an L for the US? Americans will not tolerate hundreds of dead US troops
>>53268488699% of US natural gas comes from Canada though.
>>532684886>Charging fees on oil vessels raises oil prices worldwide mutt. As seen now gas prices increased in the US even if the US was fully self sufficient on oil. And as the biggest economy US will pay the lion share trough inflation.no, its a direct tax on gulf nation profits who will have to eat that cost+cumshot
>>532684744>It goes without saying that allowing Iran to have nukes would be even worse than any of theseIt would literally only be worse for Israel because they want to completely dominate the entire region and have the ability to use the US to fuck with anyone in it with no retaliation. Nukes are a stabilizing deterrent to traditional conflict and force resolution of issues through diplomatic/economic means rather than conventional warfare and violence. A nuclear Iran would be a competing power to Israel, reduce the potential for conflict in the region and Israel’s ability to drag us into retard wars, and give us more leverage over Israel by reducing their influence and control and forcing them to be more cautious and less psychotic in their regional affairs. Kikes being allowed to run roughshod over the Middle East is clearly a big deal that has not helped the US at all.
>>532685017>How is zero American casualties to open the Strait an L for the US?>Americans will not tolerate hundreds of dead US troopsThe strait was open before we attacked them. We attacked them to open a strait that was already open, now they’re just charging more than before. Was that worth a couple hundred billion to take out a few thousand of them and their 86 year old leader who was about to keel over anyway while obliterating any potential goodwill and 100% making them dead set on making their own nuke at any cost now? I guess that’s up to you to decide
>>532676011>Is this the finale that nutandayahoo wants?They want Iran to not exist anymore which isn't going to happen. He thought if he tricked Drumpft into killing Iran's leaders the citizens would somehow take control and turn Iran into another cucked puppet state. Maybe now the retards realize that's not going to happen but who knows. Probably calling Trump hourly and just begging "come on bro just 1 more tomahawk and it'll all be over and you'll be the greatest president to ever exist just one more tomahawk bro I promise."
>>532675544So what happens next is Israel drops a huge dirty bomb on Tehran and claims America assisted them.
>>532684821Literally worse off than we started lol or even Trump said he'd reject but is now accepting. We're witnessing generational aura loss.
>>532676332Impressive.
>>532683929>Show one source or actual proof of Iran attacking anyone.They fucking bragged about all the missiles they slung at their neighbors, you pathetic simp for the ayatollah.
>>532679718Well, this country fucking hates all of us. We're being replaced by the jeets and beans. I hope china won't treat me so shitty. America is doing everything it can to show how to crash a country right now holy shit.
>>532684909It does not matter in the slightest what Trump or Iran for that matter declare.Trump went in that war to get that enriched uranium, to get them to limit their ballistic missle range and to end their nuclear program. He got none of that.Instead, Iran was now granted regal authority over a waterway the world relies on and gains the right to tax anyone who wants to pass there granting it more than its entire oil industry generates a year.The entire US strategy in the middle east was to destroy the Iranian network of allies, and now they benefit from the same umbrella as Iran (a benefit they didn't have before).The entire US strategy relied on secondary sanctions to block any country (except China or Russia) from trading with Iran to cripple its economy, which, in the 90s, had a higher GDP than Turkey and was set to be the economic giant of the region. If that's gone, what's left of US CENTCOM then?What about the bases?I mean what part of this can be considered a win?
>>532684744>>Only Isreal is allowed to have nukes in the region! So sick of kike narative cum guzzlers who deny actual reality and dont even understand how Isreal got their illegal nukes and how they are infact the destabilizing, genocidal bullies in the region.
>>532685290Ohh, the deterrent they said that they were gonna do if the US and isreal attacked them? The strait was open iran wasn't attacking anyone until they were attacked first fucking retard.
>>532685201The US can send more troops and military assets to the region and resume bombing Iran in 2 weeks. Iran is vulnerable to more US/Israeli aggression
>>532685603None of what you just said makes any realistic sense but you are too stupid to understand why lmao.
>>532679604We'd be better off killing them than trying to control them
>>532675544It seems like orange nigger surrendered
>>532675544It's not. Trump already said this wasn't going to be the final deal yesterday when this was received yesterday. Nothing has been agreed to except a two week ceasefire with an open Hormussy.
>>532685772Am I wrong? The US and Israel can violate this "ceasefire" anytime they want
>>532676332>decisive American victoryWhat did they win exactly?
>>532685373>granted regal authority over a waterway the world relies onWhy didn't Trump or Israel secure this shit first? I mean I can understand Iran was expecting this war for a long time. which means they were more prepared. But what about our own intelligence? None of our military projections factored this in? Did Trump and Israel decide to start this war over brunch or something?
>>532685603And what does this have to do with the fact that US/Israel ultimately accomplished nothing but returning to the status quo from 6 weeks ago but with a more radicalized Iran that is making more money from the strait than before?
>>532685812if you go from bombastically promising to kill the entire Iranian civilization with a countdown clock on global twitter, to a two week ceasefire, YOU LOST, its overshut the fuck you faggot nigger literal kike
>>532683290>people are more likely to do things after you prove you can set them back 25 years and just leavefound the trudeauist
How long has it been since an Iranian outlet released even a single credible claim? Months? Years? If you believe any of this you’re just a fucking moron.
>>532686004Israel started the war. Israel = jews. Jews are famously neurotic and mentally ill from centuries of inbreeding and being cursed by blood. They will do psychotic shit on a whim because their souls are sick and they know they can get the US to do it for them. As long as no one near them has nukes they know they won’t be punished for acting insane. The second anyone gets nukes they know it takes a single missile to vaporize Tel Aviv if they keep up their bullshit which is why they’re so paranoid and neurotic about the idea because it would prevent them from being able to rape with impunity
>>532684516>snuck attacked themlol
>>532676835>>1. The near-total destruction of Iranian conventional armed forces.And how about these missiles and drones that keep flying? Are the explosion fake too?
>>532676332when there is a brown cope swarm focus firing on the post you know its trve
>>532686122>don’t build a nuke, get accused of it no matter what and inevitably attacked at random>build a nuke, people much less likely to take the risk of fucking with youSeems like you agree it would be strategically prudent for them to pursue it. What even is the deterrent at this point to them pursuing it? The US is just going to do what they’ve already done anyway? Nothing to lose.
>>532676087Oh, there were. Uncle Sam can turn fantasy into reality very quick.
>>532686028Iran did not achieve its goal of deterring future attacks from Israel and the US. The US military still has assets in the region that can destroy Iran
>>532676513Time. We won time that keeps those maniacs and their guns quiet for a while. And they still don’t have a nuke.
>>532686310>Nothing to lose.lollmao even
>>532686504>Iran did not achieve its goal of deterring future attacks from Israel and the US. The US military still has assets in the region that can destroy IranOkay, why haven’t they?The only thing that can deter conventional attacks is nukes. That’s the entire doctrine of MAD. If that’s their goal then their only option is building a nuke. They will either build a nuke or we will have to completely destroy them. Those are the only two outcomes. So why haven’t we not done the latter already?
>>532680880Obviously that will never happen, overselling is a valid strategy to get what you want. The toll is more than enough for them to rebuild and they will profit more than ever before.
>>532686310if they really felt they had nothing to lose, they wouldn't have dropped their preconditions with the b-2s 30 minutes away
>>532675863Why would they? Vance, hegseth and Netanyahu would want Iran dead if they demanded Trump's head
>>532686889iran has no deterrence, conventional or otherwise. now they know what happens if they try to develop one.people don't keep doing things if they suffer extreme violence and have the opportunity to stop doing those things. we'll enforce our conditions as long as we have to, and we've proven we can weather what was supposed to be a catastrophic economy reprisal. it's unironically over. iran hasn't even assessed the damage yet.
>>532687307>>532687522Isn’t the entire basis for Iran having a nuke being bad that they’re irrational suicidal actors who will instantly use it to vaporize Jew HQ? The US proved it is a paper tiger. They did nothing but open a strait that was already open but allowed Iran to make more money from it. Iran will never stop trying to build a nuke because they know they’ll be attacked the same either way and they know the US doesn’t have the balls to actually commit to destroying them over it because it would be political and economic suicide.
>>532687820>Isn’t the entire basis for Iran having a nuke being bad that they’re irrational suicidal actors who will instantly use it to vaporize Jew HQ?yes, which is why we demanded an end to their conventional deterrence. a condition above and beyond the obama agreement, which proved absolutely necessary when iran went full samson option against the gulf and even revealed it had missiles that can reach NATO's rammstein air base in germany.they figured they could keep doing that with leverage like hormuz and chimping out on qatar and UAE. they said a hard no and taunted us with their ability to make 11 nukes or even more dirty bombs.we put an end to it.we destroyed 13000 sites.it will take them decades to rebuild and we will mow the lawn any time we have to with absolute impunity. iran has no leverage and no defense left. their next move is to submit, or turn their country into a megayemen.
>>532675544>end to israeli strikesliterally impossiblethose kikes cant resist breaking a ceasefirethey are vile disgusting rats.
>>532675544its not a loss to the US. Americans never had a dog in the fight. The war made no sense. its a loss to israel, since they were the ones with objectives.moral of the story, if you can't fight your own wars, America will be happy to lose your wars for you and force you into massive concessions.Don't involve us in your wars next time.
>>532688611>breakingenforcingamerica will do the same in iranI wish I could be there in islamsbad when they realize vance isn't a secret double agent kek
>>532675544Not really. It’s not a massive loss for US. It makes the US look weak, but that’s about it. But it’s a massive WIN for Iran. Also a big big loss for Israel. All in all, it’s a good thing. Some Israel shilling is expected from trump, and it would be even more with the democrats, but this war was a big mistake and done entirely to benefit Israel. With this peace plan, that is all over now and we can go back to normal. Trump thought Iran would fold, but the didnt. If he were to go in for a real war with them, it would be russia/ukraine lite and it would embarrass the Americans as modern warfare is basically drones, cheap weapons, artillery and (about) 1:1 loss of manpower. It’s not overpowering some Afghan farmers with billions of dollars worth of military technology.
>>532687820>The US proved it is a paper tiger.We're not a paper tiger, we could have obliterated them. But we don't really want to do it because it's cruel and pointless.It's like picking on a child, it looks bad to go full-hog on them like that, especially when they never attacked the US homeland. This was always Israel's war. We're not supposed to be warmongering assholes, regardless of the power of the US military. Nobody likes it besides jews, and Trump and his admin will be destroyed and made into global pariahs if they keep up with Israel's bidding.This whole thing is retarded. And Iran did well considering what we threw at them. I think we should turn sides and make deals with them instead of Israel. They have oil and other materials, lots of business opportunities, and a young population eager for some better quality of living. Israel provides us with nothing.
>>532675544There was no coming back after that botched invasion that they tried to pass as saving a pilot that never existed
>>532688499>iran went full samson optionWhere in the fuck are these people coming from? I genuinely hope you’re just a kike, the idea of a goy unironically making this post is Lovecraftian tier at this point.
>>532688864>but the didntcheck the news anonthey just dropped all of their preconditions, they're meeting with witkoff and babysitter vance soon
>>532675674>They're literally all good for the USNo they're not you fucking retard lmao.The most egregious is setting up a toll to use the strait. The US Navy guarantees shipping routes go unmolested, there is literally 0 other nations that charge a toll to use their territory expressly because we would put an end to it.This is the start of an empires fall tier shit.
>>532675544because it doesn't say>pay in yuan/russo bux
>>532688947they hit qatar's gas refinery at ras laffan on day onefebruary 28ththat took preplanningit's been 5 weeks since iran revealed their inner nigger you guys used to churn out new scripts in a few hours, what the hell happened?
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>>532675544Why are you complaining? War stops and your townships stop getting fucked with a lack of oil. Just take the win.
>>532689074it's presumptively invalid anywayit would contradict the UN navigation treatywait, the US isn't a party to that treaty. maybe we'll split the fees with iran and oman.
>>532689229Yes, Iran has spent decades preparing themselves and having contingency plans for being attacked by Amerisrael because without a nuke they can be jumped at any time for any reason and saw this happen everywhere else. >y-you da bot!!Eat shit antichrist
>>532688917Iran would be a better partner in the region. Israel set the bar very low. They've been a leech and a saboteur at every opportunity.
>>532677135Hubris. Thought Iran was Venezuela.
>>532677135ZOG. Any other answer is incorrect.
>>532689526Israel is the only country over there with nothing to give. Everyone else has oil, minerals, and other things they can do business with. Israel is just a chunk of semi-arid farmland that Moses brought a bunch of bitchy union workers that revolted from the pharaoh because they were greedy and wanted more pay and they didn't believe in pharaoh's god. The exodus from Egypt was just a commie union walkout by a bunch of wimps.
>>532689487thank you for conceding that iran went full samson option.now here is the rest of my post which you presumably agree with now:we demanded an end to iran's conventional deterrence, their advanced ballistic missiles. they thought they had enough leverage to say no. that was a bad miscalculation. now they have lost 13000 physical objects, some of which took decades to build, and people with CENTURIES of experience in their heads have been vaporized or crushed.they can now keep acting like niggers, at which point america and 30 countries will turn them into something that makes yemen look like luxembourg. or they can submit.the first sign of submission was their abandomnent of preconditions for negotiations when the B-2s were an hour away.do you have something to add, nigger?
>>532675544Looks good to me, only thing missing is death to all Jews and ZOG.
>>532676332okay but can you point out a single thing that is now more beneficial for the US and the west in general that hasn't already been a thing before Epstein's Fury started?
>>532675674Correct. Honestly I was surprised. The only loser under this proposal is Israel. Very unexpected.
>>532689973>they can now keep acting like niggers, at which point america and 30 countries will turn them into something that makes yemen look like luxembourg. or they can submit.>the first sign of submission was their abandomnent of preconditions for negotiations when the B-2s were an hour away.Right that’s all well and good but why exactly is everything just returning to status quo but now they just make more money off the strait than before? Seems like we didn’t actually change anything but give them more economic stimulus for the strait they control they wouldn’t have otherwise. Typically when one comes out of an unprovoked attack by an aggressor with more favorable economic terms than they originally had, that’s actually a victory because why would the aggressor cease attacking them under terms that were more favorable to their enemy afterwards? It’s almost like the US tried everything it was willing to do and couldn’t get anything out of it. Now we just have this laughable cope for why we got nothing out of it. Zozzle
>>532689074> there is literally 0 other nations that charge a toll to use their territory expressly because we would put an end to itEgypt charges for use of the Suez CanalPanama charges for use of its canal
>>532690449manmade canals, not straits
>>532679189>Nato is a useless parasite on the American taxpayer.Migaboomer retard. You people are delusional. Your bases are there for you to project power. Why don't you bitch about funding the GCC's or South Korea's or Taiwan's defence? The sooner you get the fuck out of Europe the better. You are not wanted or needed.
>>532685201>Could've just let Khamenei die of cancer>Instead turn him into a martyr and national heroWinning bigly
>>532675544A nuke would've stopped this embarassment
>>532681773Except they didn't. The list in the OP is a propaganda bit that was first posted by the account controlled by Iranian state-controlled media and subsequently. copy-pasted ad nausea by every Pajeet operating a major MSM xwitter account. It's already been debunked as fake and gay. But leave it to nu-/pol/ to fail simple fucking verification and just run with what-the-fuck-ever some Randitistan Daily account spews as gospel.
>>5326755444 is a tough one. The rest are workable and negotiable.
>>532690553ah interesting so what did the US get out of this that we didn’t have before?
>>532686380>lost to goat farmers again award
>>532689973>do you have something to add, nigger?WEBM RELATE YOU FAGGOT jew NIGGER FUCKING CUM SNORTING RAT15,000 more missiles and 80,000 more drones to go, and that just what they showed Pakistankike jews lost unimaginably, and its only just begining
>>532677286Complete US capitulation lmao
>>532675544>Pretending like anything Trump says makes any sense and is based on reality.He just says whatever.Bibi will decide in a few days to have him start up the war again
>>532675674> 30 seconds to read nd reply to a postHow does it feel being a US Military virgin having to post on 4chan damage control for a pedofile bald manlet who fucks your high school prom date on weekends at MaraLARDhome?
>>532675675> 30 seconds to read and reply. > 15 PBTIDWhat a massive Jewish faggot breath you are.
>>532690409>now they just make more money off the strait than before?sounds unlikely with so many facilities destroyed, and it will have to go to rebuilding. they spent decades building all the sites we destroyed, 13000 of them in total. and centuries of human expertise is dead. so they are starting at a massive deficit with the promise of much more to come.witkoff and kushner will explain all this to aragchi in islamabad next week, while aragchi takes pleading glances at jd vance.>unprovokedhistrionic and legally incorrect
>>532676332So there's usually 120 ships a day, if 70% are Chinese as you say and don't pay that's still 36 a day which do. Not clear if it's 2 mil each way or round trip. Let's say round trip, i.e.1 million each way. That's still 36 million a day. 13.1 billion a year. That's not chump change to a government that's used to 400 billion a year. How would you feel if your pay went up 30% overnight?
>>532690722those guys are dead anon
>>532690722>Le AI video and dunecoon hawkery meme xDGood God, you mudslimes and useful. idiots on plebbit are unbelievably retarded. >>532690538Oh sweaty... we don't need them anymore. Regardless, sure, they'll be downscaled over time, but they're still there more to your benefit than ours. Again: they're there for NATO. We don't need them there to project power the world over.
