PROMISES MADE, PROMISES KEPT. Zohran is finally putting an end to mass incarceration. The Right has become psychopaths that believe the only way to make society safer is by their hundreds of thousands of people in the prison and paying 100k a year for each of them via tax payer dollars. It's wasteful, expensive, and doesn't improve society at all. https://x.com/i/status/2041580240783171597
>won't anyone think of the mental health of rapist pedo murderers?!
>>532680277Jail is better than a mental ward. You get out of jail when you serve your time. Mental ward is indefinite
>>532680277lmao new yorkers get what they fucking deserveI hope they enjoy socialism when there are no jobs, no housing units and crime is sky high
>>532680645The point is prison is rehabilitation not eternal suffering. Do you want them to be normal people when they leave or not?
>>532681506Prison is about punishing offenders, first and foremost. This obsession with fixing the most broken people in society has not led to lower crime. Stop being a faggot and let’s get everyone on board with brutalizing criminals again.
>>532681506>when they leaveI don't want them to leave at all. In fact I want them to get shot by a firing squad or go to the electric chair.
>>532680277No, we want to kill them, but you cunts cry about that
>>532680277If they want to try something new, why not? It’s their money
>>532681506We don't believe there is really some magic process that turns bloodthirsty murderers into decent people, hence we just want them locked away for everyone else's safety
>>532682522>This obsession with fixing the most broken people in society has not led to lower crime.Rehabilitation by definition reduces crime. Why are you fags obsessed with spending infinite tax dollars populating prisons?>>532683305>In fact I want them to get shot by a firing squad or go to the electric chair.Well you're in the wrong country for that. We have an actual justice system. You're better off leaving.
>>532683305for shoplifting?
>>532680277Rightoids are against anything that doesn't benefit Jews and the (((prison industrial complex))).
>>532683588>Rehabilitation by definition reduces crimPsychotic people cannot be rehabilitated. You can either force them to take seroquel, or just lock them up.
>>532683572Why do you think everyone in prison is some bloodthirsty serial killer? I'm obviously referring to people that commit crimes that won't result in them being in prison for life.
>>532681506they will never be normal people.
>>532683588They aren’t being rehabilitated. That’s the whole point. All this time and effort to make dysfunctional freaks into good citizens is a waste. Reality isn’t a Disney movie where the bad guy sees the error of his ways. Innocent people get hurt every day by criminals who were given multiple chances to reform. Criminals deserve to be punished harshly and removed from society for the good of the rest of us. Now, if you would be so kind, go eat a dick.
>>532683697Especially for shoplifting
>>532683936That's the point, they should be in prison for life. Or killed
>>532683936Because we've seen libtards speak about them with just as much sympathy as they do starving shoplifters
>>532680277So how long until the libfags start demanding Bellevue's psych ward be closed because "muh disproportionately affected niggers"?>>532680695One of the funnest parts of my job working IT at a hospital was fixing the CCTV system for the restrained patients.Holy shit the death stares those poor fuckers kept locked on the cameras. Always wanted to drop by on lunch to say, "hi, I'm the guy you're trying to murder with your mind! Are you comfy?"
>>532683588>Why are you fags obsessed with spending infinite tax dollars populating prisons?Because the alternative is spending infinite tax dollars on their welfare, then infinite tax dollars to repair the shit they destroy, then infinite tax dollars on court fees when they reoffend as soon as they get back out, then infinite tax dollars on police resources to catch them again, infinite tax dollars on EMS to respond to the person they inevitably maim or kill, etc.
>>532680277niggers only belong in two places: jail or africa
>>532684655Swinging from a noose or six feet underground are pretty good places
>>532680277Does the mayor have the authority to close a prison?>>532681506Rehabilitation AND penance anon, but you’re right in that the system has completely dropped those end goals. The powers that be have found that recidivism is far more profitable and useful as a tool to achieve their goals. But regardless until people start accepting that nigger culture like gangster rap was pushed to make the inner cities worse so the average citizen would be more open to a police state than nothing can get better
>>532680277So where are all the fags that love socialism and why are they not fleeing to new York right now since mamdani is creating their peaceful socialist utopia? Weird how that isn't happening....
>>532680277It would be cheaper to deport the prisoners back to Africa, but nobody is ready to talk about that yet.
>>532682522But it's not going to reverse what they did, so "punishing" them extracts nothing and is 100% useless and are a burden that tax payers need to absorb. Punitive justice is left-wing and asserts man to be inherently good and justice ought to be exacted for sake of "fairness"; accordingly, the crime, the social cost of it, and its penalty are considered only as mere after thoughts and negated in degrees to their lack of moral culpability. Hello??? Holy retard. That is the system that is in place now, it literally is built on your idea and it naturally leads to excusing broken people hence why there are second and third and so on degree charges and nullification for crimes like passion and insanity defenses. It's no longer about the crime but a moral lesson for the subject. The end result is a perverse outcome for hotheads, low self control, and those with inborne criminality who can't help themselves to receive reduced sentences only to crime again.Rehabilitation is simple. Either they stop or literally the outcome is going to be euthanasia or castration or lobotomy similar to the ludivico technique with a realistic end to crime entirely in a century or less since those prone to it will have been removed from the population. Anyone who believes in prison is a liberal. Bro, it's a literal time-out zone to satisfy literal headcannon. At a price tag of $150,000 a year per prisoner to satisfy this dumb fantasy. Literally most of the penal population could simply be eliminated in the rehabilitation model since their rap sheet indicates they cannot reform. This would be impossible under the justice-punishment model and tough guys like you would be the first to gay out about fairness and how they shouldn't be dehumanized and sunk cost about them paying their price now.
>>532688528The options are currently tax payer funded prisoner, or tax payer funded menace to society. There is no 3rd option unless they do everyone a favor and commit suicide by cop.
>>532683936So what criminals are you talking about?You've talked about the ones with complex mental health issues (those ones usually commit violent crimes, like Iryna)Or are you talking about non-violent crime offenders, like shoplifters?The people in the first instance need to kept away from the general public for safety reasons.Depending on the severity, the second group need to be in prison as a punishment. If someone is over the age of 14 and doesn't know that stealing is wrong, they belong in the first group.
>>532680277How many teens of millions did he spend on this to keep 100 criminals in padded rooms?
>>532680277>"I'm closing down prisons">builds even more expensive and big prisons.
>>532680277We need to build a wall and a moat around NYC now.
>>532691154By the end it will probably be in the billions of tax payer dollars. And all he did was sign a deal on a piece of paper.
>>532683588By definition? Sure. In practice? No.
>>532680277NYC had multiple prisons around the city and these duplicated services and were expensive and people did not want a prison in their neighborhood so they built Rikers a prison for the whole city on an uninhabited island near Laquardia airport. So now the far left wants to close rikers as a gift to their criminal constituency. But they will have to either stop arresting people or build new prisons in every borough which is not only going to be costly but is going to meet community opposition.
Z stays winning
>>532680277only idiot femoids who vote for communists are going to be impressed by 104 beds for free medical care for the prisoners. If only humans had tried sending criminals to the hospital they might have avoided hundreds of years of building prisons.
>>532688528>"punishing" them extracts nothingSo put those niggers to work. Whip them if they don't.
>>532680277Until I can move in and squat in my own cardboard box I sleep.
>>532680277I am a democrat but there's nothing I hate more than "soft on crime"FUCK OFF with that RETARDED SHITCriminals aren't going to suddenly be nice to you if you're nice to themThey think the long sentences are just for "revenge" or some bullshit, but strong penalties are necessary for their deterrent effect
>>532684412>Because we've seen libtards speak about them with just as much sympathy as they do starving shopliftersNo you haven't
>>532690963>The people in the first instance need to kept away from the general public for safety reasons.Okay, but does that have to be a prison like Rikers? Are they not allowed to get mental health help without living like human cattle?
>>532693066True, starving shoplifters don't exist in the US.
>>532693171Reopen and rename Blackwell's Island.
>>532681506That's not the point of prison you retard. It's to get them the fuck away from regular people. Your retarded moronic ideology is that criminals just need hugs and therapy and then they'll magically become productive citizens. Bullshit. Some people are wired broken and the only thing that works is keeping them caged so they can't rape stab or rob normal folk. Rehabilitation is a feel good fantasy for midwits who have never lived around actual violent animals. Lock the worst ones up forever or execute them. Anything less is suicide for society.
>>532680277Kek this thread definitely won't be filled with retards...
>>532681506>The point is prison is rehabilitationIs it? I thought it was punishment to serve as a deterrent.>not eternal suffering.Yes, but no one is advocating that all prison sentences should be eternal. Stop debating yourself.
>>532680277He's going to put criminals on legal drugs to lobotomize them. Thats pretty bad. They'll lose their sanity on those drugs. Hormones so potent the brain chemistry changes in 1 dose
You're a delusional midwit who has never once lived around actual violent criminals.Prison isn't "rehabilitation" you fucking retard. It's punishment and removal. Most of the worst offenders are not "misunderstood." They're low-IQ, high-impulse, low-empathy predators who cannot be fixed. Rehabilitation has been tried for decades and it fails spectacularly. Recidivism rates for violent offenders are sky high, and the ones who get released early just create more victims.Your ideology costs society billions in taxes, destroyed neighborhoods, dead innocents, and endless police/EMS/court resources. Every time a soft-on-crime faggot like you gets his way, normal people pay with their safety and their children's safety.You're not compassionate. You're a pathetic virtue-signaling coward who would rather see innocent White families suffer than admit some people are just human garbage that needs to be locked up or removed. Your entire worldview is based on feelings and fairy tales instead of cold reality.The fact that you think turning rapists and murderers into "normal people" is realistic proves you're too stupid to have an opinion on crime. Stay in your bubble, faggot. The adults are talking.
>>532680277Penal colonies where they work in mines til they pay off their debt in damages to society should be a thing. Once you paid it off, you're free including your record
>>532693962>They're low-IQ, high-impulse, low-empathy predators who cannot be fixedPerefect for the military. There should be penal legions to attack Iran
There are 104 schizo niggers on every block lol
>>532693962>cannot be fixedNot very Jesus like anon...
>>532694050Based idea.Low-IQ, high-impulse, low-empathy violent criminals are perfect cannon fodder. Throw them in penal legions, give them a rifle and a one-way ticket to the front lines in Iran or wherever the next war is. Let them earn their freedom (or death) by bleeding for the nation instead of sitting in prison costing taxpayers $100k+ a year while raping and robbing their own people.It’s a win-win: society gets rid of its worst garbage, and the military gets disposable shock troops who don’t cry about PTSD or rules of engagement. Historical precedent exists (Soviet penal battalions, French Foreign Legion recruiting from prisons, etc.).If we’re going to have endless wars anyway, might as well use the human trash for something useful instead of keeping them in air-conditioned cells watching TV.
>>532684949I’m less of an enthusiastic socialism enjoyer now than I was in my twenties, but I’m moving there.
>>532694162That's a very anti-semitic appeal to authority you gove there.
>we're going to go even easier on violent criminalsinteresting
>>532694162I don’t need Jesus to tell me that low-IQ, high-impulse, low-empathy predators who rack up bodies and destroy communities cannot be fixed. That’s observable reality, not Sunday school.You assume anyone who wants dangerous animals removed from society must be some bible-thumping softie. Wrong. I want them gone because I care about my people surviving the next thousand years, not because I’m waiting for magical sky daddy to heal them.Your “compassion” is just weakness dressed up as morality. Some people are broken wiring. Lock them up forever or put them down.
>>532694255Good thing the authority I appeal to is the ultimate one then ;)
>>532694393>Good thing the authority I appeal to is the ultimate oneCaesar?
>>532680277>free busses when?
>>532681506Would rather them just be executed publicly.
>>532683588Society through taxation gets punished for the crimes of a convict in the current system as the taxpayer pays inevitably pays for the cost of the prison system or the rehabilitation system. Why should I have to pay for someone else's rehabilitation? There is a cost not just to the victim, but to the rest of society which has to pay for everything associated with the prosecution, policing, and so on. >spending infinite tax dollars populating prisons?We should be promptly executing them so that I as a taxpayer don't have to pay for it. There are two options for criminals that have ever made any sense. Slavery or execution. Rehabilitation? Gay and retarded. Imprisonment for years? Nah. Promptly execute the worst criminals and slavery for the rest until all the costs associated with their crime have been repaid plus some fine as part of their penalty. And lets be clear. They should have known the rules and understood that no one wants them to steal or murder. Yet they did it anyways. There is NO REHABILITATION possible. We are talking about adults who should know better. We should treat them like adults that know better and stop pretending throwing money at the problem and treating these criminal like they're just misbehaving children will ever fix anything. You just make it worse by punishing the rest of society for the crime of a single individual. Society nor the taxpayer is responsible for the crime. Only the individual who committed the crime is.
>>532683588You're a retarded zoomer that doesn't know shit, or a kike.>Rehabilitation by definition reduces crime.what a braindead statement.
>>532693706> It's to get them the fuck away from regular people.Wouldn't it be easier to just send all criminals to Australia?
>>532680277ok but when is he going to implement total nigger death to improve society a lot
>>532694168They would be terrible soldiers
Alright, since it worked so well last time, I'm going to state that it directly benefits me for America to import more of the third world because when this famine hits either directly from lack of trade, or indirectly from the coming rising costs of inflation paired with paying for trade through the strait it would benefit me twofold. First by providing me cover for ways to finally acquire wealth in unsavoury ways, second an excuse to portray myself as a hero to the community when the third world h1b's start eating people from the inability to eat.Now that I made that statement they will actively go out of their way to finally export the third world and jews out of America, lest a catastrophe as bad as potentially starting ww3 from attacking Iran takes place as taking out the non whites would grant many incentives back into american hands to actually strive to grow and participate in America, join the military, and work together and self sacrifice for eachother's survival and prosperity.Or they're just gonna commit to killing people and do the whole alien and power outage bit lmao.
