So these pretty much changed the whole world from a warfare perspective huh? Probably the most revolutionary weapon since the nuke at this point.
>>532687264Yeah
>>532687264It's the same as AI.Drones allows you to replicate what only the USA could afford to, that is spamming cruise missiles but for 0.1% of the price.AI allows you to replicate the jewish propaganda machine for cents.AI and drones are the great equalizers, just like how guns erased decades of training with the sword and bow.
>>532687264>So these pretty much changed the whole world from a warfare perspective huh? Probably the most revolutionary weapon since the nuke at this point.yep, lol you should post that on /k/it would be an instantaneous ban, but in the few minutes or seconds before hand, the shahed would be vehemently denounced by a team of 20 discord literal transexuals who would assault you with the talking point that the shahed is a copy of a copy of copy of German target drone that the US and Germany totally already knew about and threw into the garbage as useless thirdie trash only some brown hands brownie brownoid would ever weaponize and seriously try to tell a superior white firstie jew-chadmerican it was better than the alien tech 50-100years ahead of anything China or Russia or Iran who just copies he other two could ever dream of in their wildest dreams with a never ending budget shitskin thirdies cant even imagine
>>532687264I wouldn't call it revolutionary; it's the same as everything's always been.Wunderwaffe are fantastic for frightening your enemy through deterrence, but when it comes down to it mass production beats out better tech in an actual war scenario.Shit, even the USA copied them and somehow made them 6x as expensive to (((manufacture)))
>>532687264lucas are powerful but not a gamechangerthe tech that enables lucas is (starlink) and did change warfare
>>532688251.....
We attacked their military. Those drones just flew and hit whatever and whoever.
>>532687264Thats until the world comes up with a cheap and reliable counter measure. I bet they are working on it as we speak.
>>532687264The products of asymmetrical warfare have always been creative and interesting. They deserve respect, and for me? The >Shasneedis simply at the top of that list.
>>532688377>lucas are powerful but not a gamechanger>the tech that enables lucas is (starlink) and did change warfareLucas are underpowered, over priced garbage, Shahed have more range and payload.The most expensive part of the Shahed for Iran is the Starlink dish and router.
>>532688251Anon, I...Continue.
>>532687264Who would win? $billions and $billions, or a couple of phallic bois
>>532689612>We attacked their military. Those drones just flew and hit whatever and whoever.
>>532688165you don't need AI to fly to a point and dropyou need simple program
oh no! indiscriminate fuckery
>>532687264They create lots of smoke, but not much damage to big ticket items. This was all a larp so that Iran could charge tolls.
>>532691338Forgot pic. Lol, they broke the sign!
>>532687264I've come to think of them as the next evolution in artillery. Certainly incredibly effective when used in large quantities, but the lack the capabilities of more niche ordinance. Shorter range, lack of penetration, payload limits, guidance, these are all weak points. They are absolutely a fantastic new option, especially for striking fixed targets, but they aren't going to singlehandedly win a conflict. Honestly I'd expect to see something like flak guns come back in vogue with modern tracking and ammunition. Seems like it would be the most reasonable and effective way to down these things before they hit an intended target, especially if the people making these things take the next step id expect them to take, and start spinning up massive 3d printers to just print the fucking things so all they have to do is bolt the engine, electronics, and payload to it.
>>532688251Yeah /k/eddit is seething
>>532691634A $30,000 guided artillery shell that goes 500 miles is a game changer.
>>532687264>Quantity defeats wunderwaffe, every time.The Germans learnt this the hard way in WW2The USA has been failing to learn this the hard way ever since.>Rock beats scissors, every time.
>>532693032a $10 000 solid engine rocket is just long range artillery
>>532687264No acting like a terrorist crybaby choking the worlds economy does. Without the strait being, in proximity to idiots with drones Iran would of cried uncle long ago. ROE keeps Iranian safe. We could of firebombed the whole country.
They aren’t really great for long distance combat. Cruise missiles and hyper sonics are going to be your best bet for raining down hellfire.These things are like the next evolution of IEDs. Annoying to deal with and cheap to produce, but we’re not talking about splitting the atom here. To compare this to a nuke is a disservice to the intelligence and science that went into creating those weapons.Iran is still trying to copy technology that has been around for almost 100 years at this point. Their little drones are cool for hitting their neighbors, but how many hit the USA again…? In fact, if it’s so awesome, why couldn’t they use it to kill that pilot they were hunting?Again, these things have their uses, but they do not have an unlimited supply and their payload is lacking. They’re cute until someone drops a real bomb on you.
>>532693549the USA is hit with nigger bio weapons
>>532690498Whoosh
>>532693239A 155mm Excalibus GPS guided howitzer shell is about $70k. Cost disease, reserve currency, yada yada. A Shahed costs less than that, is marginally less accurate, and goes 600 miles conservatively instead of the guided shells 30-40, and it can be fired from a civilian truck.Basically, drones completely evaporate the advantage in long-range precision weapons the US once enjoyed. Unlike 1983 (TLAM introduction) to 2021, anyone who can spare $200k (Iran's export price) can hit back. They don't need to buy a dozen multi-million dollar planes with million dollar cruise missiles that the US can swat out of the sky with a CBG or Amphib. The US has to fight wars of mass, industrial capacity, and attrition again.
>>532688377No retard the Lucas is a game changer because it takes the targeting package of a tomahawk and puts it in a 35000$ package instead of 2 million. They are dumb because they will be intercepted at probably about the same rate as any shahed since the major interception method isn't jamming meaning they still are a ripoff compared to a $5000 Chinese dumb clone. Fucking retard kikes man
>>532694021and the howitzer needs servicingwhile the drone / rocket is self containedand solid motors can burn the simplest of fuelsand guidance is 2 servos with 4 fins
>>532694021Ok, so it’s better than artillery, which has been around for hundreds of years. I’m glad that Iran could finally improve that technology.
>>532688365drones are not wunderwaffe. drones are equivalent to child soldier with AK47 strapped with C4 but without children and it can fly.
>>532688251>>>/k/65057963>>>/k/65057963>>>/k/65057963>>>/k/65057963
>>532694456No, it means that the advantage in precision guided munitions (most unguided munitions do not land anywhere close to their targets) that the US once enjoyed over everyone, but in particular anyone not named Russia or China from the 1970s through the 2010s, evaporated. Now anyone can hit back without resorting to guerilla campaigns, which is a situation the US has not been in since WW2 or perhaps Korea.
>>532694710The way the US would btfo countries was that they had fewer platforms, which could launch fewer sorties, and because they were mostly dumb, they would mostly miss. America would respond with more stuff for continuous bombardment and this would actually hit stuff and basically collapse an enemies conventional forces in short order.Drones (but a Shahed-136 is in a different class than a FPV; it's more like a very economical cruise missile) mean that this no longer so one-sided. America actually needs to have deep magazines, and needs to be prepared for several times the losses it used to take.
>>532694541The thing you have to understand about /k/ is that they are retarded jingoists. They are the people who unironically think the US didn't lose Vietnam because it killed a bunch of people (while not counting AVRN and allied casualties) and the US and Vietnam signed trade agreements 20 years later.
>>532687264>Probably the most revolutionary weapon since the nuke at this point.They're over a century old. There were Shahed style drones all the way back in WW1.These things aren't a technological advancement, they're just a doctrinal shift that embraces a longstanding technology that the militaries of the world had previously ignored.
>>532694710What makes you think China had that technology in 1970?So Russia and the USA have enjoyed this technological advantage for 50 years, and now Iran has a cheap alternative.And what other technological advancements has our military made in those 50 years…? I mean, I’m glad Iran has a new toy, but you’re insane if you think this puts this on any kind of equal footing militarily. Again, that’s why I compare it to the IED. It’s annoying and difficult to make a non factor. But the failures of Afghanistan weren’t military in nature.Similarly, whatever faults the US has made in this conflict with Iran are not caused by some military disadvantage. Iran is very fortunate that the situation is not as simple as two armies who have to fight each other, winner takes all.Diplomacy and war are two very different things,
>>532695643It’s a troll post, or a shill.Comparing these things to the science and intellect that goes into engineering an atomic weapon s so ignorant that I am unwilling to believe someone would earnestly do so.
>>532687264>Vaporises you
>>532695666>that’s why I compare it to the IEDFVP drones are the IED equivalent except now the IED's hunt you down or sneak up your tanks ass.
>>532695666>What makes you think China had that technology in 1970?They didn't, but they rapidly developed in starting from the 90s after watching Sadam get btfo by LGBs on live tv. Even after that, the US and NATO still enjoyed a quantitative advantage in the amount of precision land attack weapons they could throw. Russia didn't get a JDAM equivalent until 2023, for example. China and Russia in the 90s-2010s had a lot less of this stuff in stock than NATO.And everyone else had exponentially less than China and Russia.
>>532689857Whatever anyone comes up with, won't be enough. We have bullet proof vests now, hasn't made bullets obsolete. Iran unlocked a new meta, admit it. Russia was the first "not Iran" country to see the potential and adopt it. Which is crazy. The litteral russian army is more open minded, flexible and less of a corrupt money sink than the US one.
>>532690498That's not what he was implying, retard
>>532687264>long range bombardment goodYeah. That's typically the case. Napoleon talked about this.
>>532691410>All payloads are equal!>No of course theres no dummy-low payload drones to attempt to exhaust anti air defences... Did the drone even hit the building or only the letters? This is the kind of question you ask if you want to seem genuine.
>>532691410Yeah, that's why the building is covered in a green construction net, you dumb mi6 fuck.>>532691111checked. Why vertically oriented though? I would have gone with a simple PVC water pipe wide enough for one and long enough for two munitions. Seal them with something and let them float horizontally. A pile of those logs hovering over the water would be guaranteed to rotate and hit a hard enough moving object.
>>532695822>uses 9999 jigawatts of power that you have to suck from a grid along with transformers you're going to station the thing next to>still gets overwhelmed by 15 drones that now have even more targets to chose from to shut it downit's very cool but also very retarded
>>532687264$7000 to destroy $500 million
>>532687264>the most revolutionary weapon since the nuke at this point.i'd say that nukes aren't very revolutionary, they're just a bigger bomb. the submarine was probably the last big revolutionary change in warfare.
>>532687264Everything old is new again. The funny thing is once systems like Leonidas come online they will have to go back to basically vacuum tubes or mechanical guidance.
>>532689775Ukraine updates software and Hardware every two weaks, it's cat and mouse. You can't rely on 40 year old tomahawks, you have to always update your hardware to stay ahead. Maybe it's bullshit and they discovered subscription service for weapon systems. WAAS instead of SAAS.
>>532687264>revolutionarywhat were V1s?
>>532703114well, I guess V1s werent that low cost thoughfun fact though - shahed uses an off brand BMW engine.
>>532693414>ROE keeps Iranian safe>mutt crying that we didn't kill even more childrenYou're going to Hell when you die, and I hope you die soon.You're going to Hell when you die.
>>532687264Drones already turned tanks obsolete.It is like introduction of matchlock muskets in times of armored knights.Plate armors quickly became overpriced and obsolete.
>>532701728>LeonidasThey can just fly higher, this system range is 2km max, probably less if the drone has minimal shielding.
>>532693549>how many hit the USA againthis sounds vaguely like the kind of question someone might regret asking in a few years>In fact, if it’s so awesome, why couldn’t they use it to kill that pilot they were hunting?the US used drones to enforce their kill box apparentlythe Shaheed is a GPS guided drone not a terminator lolas for the FPV kind, they probably didn't have them on site?
>>532695799the engineering that goes into a modern drone is much more complex than the engineering that goes into a nuclear weapon which is 1940s techit's just that most of that is the guidance and control system which is basically GPS and mobile phone chips which we already make in vast numbers
>>532687264Brats with their paper planes
>>532687264it's literally just a budgetized V1 with better guidance and they only work well because the entire AD meta switched to expensive SAMs and there's currently not a major supply chain built up for CIWS/flak platforms.Even Ukraine with its rinky dink quad 50cal technicals has a high shootdown rate at roughly equivalent cost parity.
>>532696166I don't like war but you have to admit, it's fantastic for innovation, it's one of the few things which forces nations to compete and adapt or die
>>532703454It still has to get in range to attack. 2KM around any HVT is pretty far kraut fren.
>>532687264It's fucking sad because they are lame as fuck. This reality has jumped the shark.
>>532687264How did america not realize this from ukraine?
>>532690498Learn to read, dipshit.
>>532691634nopeThe way they are developing is towards ground hugging jet variantsAfter that comes mesh networks, no EW defenseThen dropship deployable fpv types for anti infantryThen combo prop and jet heavies for lofting impact munitions into high atmosphere Brave new world
>>532704118I'm curious does the drone detonate it's payload after getting shot down?
>>532687264> Probably the most revolutionary weapon since the nuke at this point.No that would be the AK, there's a reason it's on flags of some countries, that gun killed more people than the plague
>>532691410>>532691338>doesn't do much damag-ACK
>>532704094All militaries are extremely conservative no matter how much they pretend otherwise, the US military is still doctrinally dedicated to winning WW2 againAnd the military industrial complex isn't just something leftists complain about, even US healthcare doesn't compare to how much you were getting ripped off for Raytheon's billion dollar wunderwaffles, do you think they want to sell 5 thousand dollar lawnmowers instead?
>>532704241>No that would be the AK, there's a reason it's on flags of some countries, that gun killed more people than the plagueIran could do the funniest thing with its flag right now
>>532704305>military industrial complexShould be renamed to the military financial complex since they don't do any industry any more.
>>532704322Kek, shahed drone top down view would look cool as fuck on military insignia ngl
>>532687264Is the Shahed drone the new AK-47?
>ai is a great equalizeryou're not creative anon and no one will accept your work
>>532694490only a pole could think of such a stupid analogy.
>>532694490>>532704441There's no 47 in the AK, that's a Hollywood name just like diehard glock 7
>>532701728they'll just smack it with something more capable than a drone
>>532688165>AI allows you to replicate the jewish propaganda machine for cents.The only counter they have is our word goyslop with the goy stripped off to make it kosher.
>>532688251First they seetheThen they spazThen they ban the private possession of drone components and 3d printers
>>532704118If flak is not an option, what are the odds we start deploying large net drones? Iirc the yakuza were flying drugs around with drones and in response the japs just started flying their own drones with nets to catch the fuckers. How feasible is it to just have a line of ten or twelve drones pull a glorified chain link fence up a couple hundred feet and just loiter there as long as their battery allows? It should in theory be a reasonably cheap setup, easy to have multiple layers of it, and easy to replace damaged layers. Fuck, depending on how sophisticated these things are (do they explode on contact), you could just fucking litter the airspace with god damn weather balloons
>>532705475there is another optionUsing a resin gunA liquid the jets out to solidify around moving parts , means multiple use but thats still science fiction at the momentIf its base defense then you could use what you are talking about with proximity and movement sensors that would cut in after launchGlad I am too old to be drafted
>>532705690Just shoot it with a shotgun lmao
>>532689775The problem is that the only reliable counter is other drones and anti-drone drones are inherently more expensive and more easily jammed or have more limited range. A drone following uploaded waypoints to a static target is simply cheaper than a drone that has to chase another drone, and the drone chasing your drone either needs more expensive software, constant comms or range limited fiber optics.
>>532688365>it's the same as everything's always beenI'd say a flying bomb the size of a laptop being able to reach you wherever you are changes things quite a bit. You can't even hide in buildings or trenches.
>>532693549>Their little drones are cool for hitting their neighbors, but how many hit the USA again…Ships in the strait got hit and US couldn't stop these drones attacks and eventually forced to surrender to Iran.Little drone defeated US trillion dollars military Empire.
>>532705690Bases (and immobile targets in general) are the most susceptible to these drones right now, really no conventional target is safe though. The benefit to the drone-carried fencing is that it would be reasonably mobile so you can set it up around anything that my possibly come under attack.>>532704305There's something extremely funny about all this boiling down to boomers being absolute backwards retards. Sold the country out to Israel, was their faithful lapdog for decades. Develop nothing but conventional munitions geared towards being able to hammer the ruskies with ballistic missiles and precision air strikes with the contract that we drop everything when the kikes tell us to play ball with them. We now are desperately pulling these million dollar defense assets from around the globe to protect our Jewish overlords for all of five minutes before they get overwhelmed by simple volume of shit being thrown at Israel, while the kikes are no doubt preparing to drop the world's biggest archive of blackmail ever seen as consequence for the boomers failure to protect them because the boomers think it's still 1975. Global politics are about to undergo a massive shakeup. Even if desperation nukes don't fly, china is in a very good position right now
>>532698615>t. USE victim
>>532687264Hundreds of those can be sent and they don't require a plane to drop. Planes are limited by how many bombs they can hold and need a pilot, and to be refueled. These things can just be launched and in such great number they overwhelm missile defense and anti-air systems, and for very little cost. Definitely a game changer. The US can't keep up due to its greed and corruption. Each unit would cost millions. They cannot get over this, I don't see them adapting. The whole system is just designed to make anything we buy expensive as fuck to make the rich richer and kick back money to the ones who delegate the contracts.
>>532706267I'm convinced 90% of jobs are just middle-men sucking wealth from the other 10% like vampire parasites. The whole economy is just greed and bloat
>>532695643They didn't have electronics that provided meteres size CEP or ability to hit moving targets (Shaheds hitting ships in Strait has camera guidance). These electronics became cheap COTS items during last two decades, this is what created revolution.
>>532706185The thing is if you fortify your bases enough to make them unattractive targets the kamikaze drone waves will just probe other critical infrastructure targets nearby. EVERYTHING has to be fortified against them. It’s like how tank columns in ww2 could just drive around anything hardened enough to stop them and blow up everything too soft to withstand them, and tank columns are cheaper than maginot lines.
>>532687264The US had to reverse engineer these low tech RC planes because the concept of cheap RC planes with large warheads on them was a foreign concept for them. Lockheed and Raytheon got BTFO
>>532706185>Bases (and immobile targets in general) are the most susceptible to these drones right nowUS lost because they couldn't defend tankers in the Hormuz strait from attacks of these drones.
>>532687264drones = gundam funnels r real lmao
>>532706462is that russian or iranian?
>>532706447>The whole economy is just greed and bloathave you ever thought that the worldwide bloated economy can be afforded because of gains in efficiency in technology
>>532696166>Iran unlocked a new meta, admit it.massive electronic warfare + massive microwave dishes powered by a mobile nuclear reactorusa does not invent such things because it costs the profit margin of the 3 weapons companies who control usa army
>>532707007Shahed 131 is Iranian made.
>>532701211modern radars, heat vision etc. are pretty revolutionary as well, it made cover like forest useless
>>532687264>Probably the most revolutionary weapon since the nuke at this point.Definitely. It's amazing how the evolution of warfare has occurred. Throughout every era the human race has made developments that have altered tactics and strategies. It's interesting to see what's up next. My guess will be robot soldiers, remotely controlled like those kung fu robots in china
>>532689612>We attacked their militaryHuh-uh.... I think the families of 145 Iranian schoolgirls would disagree with you...
>>532687264imagine reinventing the cruise missile to be cheaper. That's what a fixed wing drone is.
>>532694041China has been jacking prices on these drones. Geran 2 motors are $15k now, Geran 5 motors are $60k. Full Geran 5 costs $250-300+k while we have Barracuda 500s that can be had for the same price in much higher volume production.
>>532687264What will get interesting is what the next civil war looks like with drones.The meme about firearms not doing anything against the government's tanks and planes is now obsolete.
>>532708934>oh no not the IRGC's cunny, they attacked their cunny
>>532689612All those radar hits were by pure chance, I presume?
>>532709196Where will you source the RDX? Asking for a friend.
>>532701728You can wrap drones in aluminum foil, you know
>>532696166Not only did the Russians adapt it they evolved it. AI integration, sensor upgrades, EW, 3G/4G/LTE, mesh swarming, recon role and heck even RPGs were attached to it.
>>532710166Forgot to attach the image
>>532689857>Shaheed>creativepick one
>>532710286this is just nonsense, a delta wing doesn't mean one was copied from the other at all
>>532710286https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_MXY-7_Ohka
>>532710331it does though. The system designs were sold to israel and they created the IAI Harpy. Iran reversed engineered it from downed drones in Azerbaijan.
>>532701728Wrap electronics in aluminium seal or light weight mesh wire, use shield wire and optic fiber for connection, shield the optic sensors with conductive glass or thin transparent mesh and use rf filter for antenna. There your over expensive microwave is not only useless now but also a target for AR seekers.
>>532710389now that's creative. iran and russia should copy that.
>>532687264No, they're useless. Literally useless. Game changer - soviet style dr-es from 80s. Atm Europe fully investing in them.They have sea variation and flying. The only change was to put st-ks on them.Idk why Russia refused to use soviet technologies and changed to it. Difference - payload. 1ton vs 60kg
>>532710456Iran didn't use any design for Shahed other than reverse engineering an American drone they hacked and brought down for the GPS schematics.
>>532704094R. target only non important buildings. Because most of R. gov are either ethnic ukr or (())Iran targeted important buildings
>>532710558You realize there are different Shaheds, right?RQ-170 is a totally different type of drone and Iran tried to copy it with the Shahed 191. The 191 and 136 have nothing to do with eachother, but they are both copies of drones that already existed.
>>532710286It was just a boring radar seeker and nothing more even the jews failed to realise its full potential So they definitely deserve the credit.
