So, let me explain the crux of the problem...I recently spoke with an AI about the problem of translating words and their meanings using a translator... After that conversation, I realized (a linguistic model is good at causal relationships and information synthesis) that the root of the problem isn't the inadequacy of the translator's technology... but specifically the fucking ENGLISH LANGUAGE, which, old as it is, has a million words+ and a bunch of meanings for each word... meaning, one word can mean almost a dozen references to COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ACTIONS AND DESCRIPTIONS OF OBJECTS.Because of this, the translator creates a multitude of errors—phantoms.This changes entire meanings.Also, English is somewhat similar to Chinese...with memorizing a bunch of words and their correct double, triple, decimal meanings...for some people with poor memory or learning disabilities, such as those with dyslexia, learning this fucking language is quite difficult.Also I forgot to mention the NOT LOGICAL formation of sentences in English...it is not consistentIn short, it's a hindrance, and by no means a universal means of communication.Try proposing a language with a minimal number of binary and triple meanings of words. And so that in this language there would be no illogicality in the formation of sentences...and also so that in this language there would be good morphology...that language should be the primary one in the world.
OP read 1984 and thought The Party were the good guys
I'll post AI's opinion on this issue here.-----------------------------------What language would you suggest as a new global language to replace English in the future...to get rid of all the problems of English creating so many phantoms?-------------------------If we're looking for a replacement for English that will rid the world of "phantoms" (illogical spelling, confusing grammar, and cultural dominance), there are three paths worth considering. Each addresses its own challenges:1. Esperanto (The Perfected Classic)This is the most obvious candidate. It was created specifically to be a neutral second language for everyone.Pros: Grammar without exceptions (at all!), phonetic writing (as it's written, so it's pronounced), logical word formation through prefixes and suffixes.Problem Solution: There's no need to spend years learning "irregular verbs" and guessing how to pronounce the words "queue" or "knight."2. Lojban - The Language of LogicIf "phantoms" for you mean ambiguity and manipulation in speech, then Lojban is ideal. It's based on predicate logic.Pros: This language's syntax is unambiguous. It's indistinguishable, and it's ideal for communication between both humans and artificial intelligence.Problem Solving: A complete lack of semantic chaos. It's free of confusing metaphors and "hidden meanings."3. Toki Pona (Minimalism and Mindfulness)This is a philosophical language consisting of only ~120 words.Pros: To express something complex, you need to break it down into simple concepts. For example, "friend" is "good person."Problem Solving: It removes complexity for the sake of understanding. It's a language that forces people to think more simply and honestly, eliminating bureaucratic "word-twiddling."My Favorite: Indonesian (as a Natural Alternative)Of all the existing, living languages, Indonesian comes closest to the ideal of a global language.
Again, gentlemen... I don't mean that English should fade into oblivion and become a dead language...It will simply become one of the main languages of cultural influence, but it will rank alongside French/German/Japanese/Chinese, etc.Songs will also be composed in it, books and films will be translated, etc.----------------------I AM TALKING NOW ABOUT THE MAIN LANGUAGE OF GLOBAL COMMUNICATION...in chats, through bots, related to technical matters, etc.
>>532691861>My Favorite: Indonesian (as a Natural Alternative) Of all the existing, living languages, Indonesian comes closest to the ideal of a global language.
>>532691508If you could speak more than one language you’d realize your epiphany is simply bullshit. The biggest European languages share common double and triple meanings, often having the exact same metaphors and phrases. Look up how many verbs of motion there are in Russian for an extreme example of contextual complexity for something as simple as saying “go” in another language. English isn’t specifically bad, just different, as many other languages are. Translators have problems with word order within Russian sentences that year 1 and 2 learners would understand intuitively. Your unit of measurement is gay and you sound retarded. t. English Latin Pyccкий nvm you’re an actual AI retard - the machine ranking Esperanto as #1 and you posting this with no shame is sad
>>532691508biblical hebrew is only 8,000 words, maybe you should use that
>>532691508English is the only language I believe that captures the emotions of every human moment. No other language that I know can say ass in different tones and mean something completely different each time. Or use the term "flabs" on a woman to describe the effeminate beauty of motherhood. Every generation surpasses the past by trying to incorporate a genuine human moment into a word, an experience so personal to you that when you say the word, the other person gets it. No other language has this, as far as I know. Reading the classics is a mental exercise in it self, and at the end of it you feel the change in the way you think, you speak, or even write. Too bad for the ones who are disabled and can't get it, simplified english with emotions will still get the job done. Good Day Ainon
>>532692594English is also a truly living language. New words and meanings are emerging constantly
>>532692464Contrary to the AI's opinion, I don't think Indonesian is a very good choice due to its strong phonetic bias toward a dozen dominant letters. It sounds like a mixture of Indian and Portuguese.
>>532691508Develop shit in your own language, we wont give a fuck
>>532692508Do I need to justify laying out the logic behind AI's choice? Are you even sane?I just copied what he gave out and that's it...All questions about the logic behind the AI's answer generation, go to the damn AI, not me. My job was to formulate the QUESTION correctly...
>>532691508>cUmSITEASorry, I can't take your seriously
>>532691508>cUm-SITE-Ahehehe
>>532692594I understand, but the thing is that this creates problems with meanings in the future... imagine the billions of errors that will appear because the AI is not able to correctly understand the meanings conveyed by the English language.
>>532692594You might like Russian, with its many cases and high word morphology permitting the “same sentence” to take on entirely different meanings based on phonetic delivery changes. Despite the high average syllable count, there is real poetic bite in its cleverness and potential for brevity. >>532693068You’re the nigger copypasting it here, shut the fuck up with your whining.
>>532693281Or maybe you should shut up and get the fuck out of here, you Slavic Untermensch.I didn't create this thread for you, you filthy third-grade bio-waste.
>>532692594I agree, but I imagine this is what every russian, chinaman, german, frenchman, and latinx thinks
>>532691508You will never engineer a language that will be used widely. If you did it would quickly separate into regional dialects and begin drifting or evolving just like natural language. It wouldn’t get you anywhere.
>>532693422If you had a higher command of your own language you’d realize I’m nothing of the sort. Keep posting the AI slop that dazzles you onto 4chan, I’m sure your threads will be top tier and you’ll finally stop needing to be half the replies for anything to break 50 posts before archival. Worthless faggot, “go to the damn AI, not me!” kek
>>532693929It is in the interests of the people who will program the translator of the future, which will be implanted from childhood, so that people will not have language barriers. A transitional language model between machine and human is still needed; using "ancient English" for these purposes would create tons of problems.
>>532691508Fuck jewsDeath to all jews.
>>532691861>I'll post AI's opinion on this issue here.Don't bother, simply fuck off.
There are a lot of blinkered people who don't see the problem now... preferring to sit idly by...There ARE ERRORS in the translation of meanings - they will cause problems in the future... YOU WILL HAVE TO switch to a new language anyway, or your descendants will have a much harder time doing so.This thread is clearly not for this board...
>>532692734>t. retard that only speaks one languageevery language is like that you idiot. i can think of at least 20 new ways of saying things that emerged this year in chinese just off the top of my head.
>>532695480>20 new ways of saying thingsOh is that all
>>532695729off the top of my head you bogan
i think english narrows your thinking while making you drown in these several-meaning-per-word swamp at the same time, literally a slop languagethere's a reason why english royals know german
>>532691508Also available in the Compact Edition (magnifying glass included)
>>532694688Try on >>>/his/ , they're better suited to this subject
>>532691508>Cumsite AKek. Who needs a get with this ID.Also, it's good that English is allegedly difficult (I never had a problem with it), cause it's keeping the retards out of business - or at least, they're easy to spot.
>>532691699FPBP
Skullface lost.
>>532691508Not optimizing English for LLMs. Go fuck yourself.
>>532691508>I recently spoke with an AI
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>>532691508English is what enables us to think abstractly, i/e not be a bugman or a robot.
>>532691508>.for some people with poor memory or learning disabilities,Who gives a shit? You don't change the rules of soccer for people without legs either. The baseline never includes the disability - that much should be obvious.>it is not consistentDeliberately. Without the flexibility that allows for multiple meaning you can't use old worlds for newly discovered phenomena. A rigid language would be stuck in time and unable to adapt. Context-driven hermeneutics is a sine qua non for any language wanting to advance knowledge.
>>532691508maybe the non english speakers should have tried inventing something
>>532692464He's Indonesian.
>>532691508stop being so niggardly about the value of English
