>be a superpower>"Hm, we don't have jeans and mdconalds, that sucks">"Let's willingly surrender in the cold war and become an irrelevant 3rd world shithole. We may not become rich, but we won't have global influence either "What was the logic here
it's really sad, I don't want to joke about it
>>532695381Damn zoomer, read Wikipedia or something
>>532695381>>"Hm, we don't have jeans and mdconalds, that sucks"The West, beginning in the 60s, put on a big decadent party and made the Soviets jealous of all the fun. It brought down the Soviet Empire when the Soviet citizens blamed their government for not having such a fun party.The CIA and MI6 are really smart.
>>532695381>jeans and mcdonaldsfood and clothes in general
>>532695381The logic was that communism is a fucked up jewish ideology that preeches "we can do what capitalism does and even better" which it absolutely fucking doesnt and eventually collapses on itself. If the soviet union wanted to survive it would require it not being called " the soviet union".
>>532695381>>"Hm, we don't have jeans and mdconalds, that sucks"It wasn't just a few luxury items they were missing. Their entire economy was rife with corruption and mismanagement. The economic house of cards was on the verge of collapse and fortunately the political system collapsed first.
>>532695381They used all their money on the space race and chernobyl cleanups.
>>532696248>hey fellow glowniggers>if we did something radical>like>not letting starvation be a noteworthy mode of expiration for our socioeconomic structureGee, how'd the alternative ever fail?
Too many Stalin era crimes were publicized at the end
>>532695381>nu commie understanding of the Soviet Union collapseHere's a simple chart for brainlets like you, should clear up things
>>532696399I mean, they could have done whatever the fuck China did instead of destroying everything. They could still be called the USSR and all. If you read about the early United Stars you would quickly realise whatever the United States is now is hardly what their founding fathers had in mind or what it was in their lifetime(I blame the Louisiana purchase for this)
>>532695381Germany never managed to cobble together more than a few sausage producing counties around the Black Forrest. Portugal had colonies all over the world and was selling muskets to warlords in Japan before Germany even managed to get a line drawn around them by the French so I am sure you can mansplain the suffering of those of us who have lost actual empires.
>>532696831Name one.
>>532695381Well for starters it wasn't a logical decision that anyone came to logically, that's not how it works, you dumb nigger
>>532697822Nicolas corpse was found and they didn't tell the public until 1980
They were bankrupt and corrupt to the core. Kind of like the JewSA is now. Here's the dirty secret: Party members ran the infamous Russian black market for 3 decades. Eventually the stole enough money to buy the country outright. When it collapsed, they walked into every business in Russia and just took it over. They had money to pay the workers, the government didn't. So everybody let it happen. They robbed the country blind, then bought it for the price of the payroll.
>>532695381The Logic of a weak retarded , spineless turds.Russians are treacherous bastards.They are good for nothing.They betray everybody including their own. Noone should ever cobsider them as anything besides some joke to laugh at.They are
>>532697748What China did is absorb almost 100% of US industry, as gifted by the US in order to make them an ally and fuck over the USSR.Now, long term, it made China a superpower and China is still friends with Russia, but anglo and jew plans never think about long term, only short term boosts to make line go up.
>>532697822until fairly late in the soviet union, the people genuinely believed that the tsar attempted an armed resistance and his family tragically died alongside him. the discovery that party had always planned the execution of not just him and his family but also the systemic killings of his servants and housestaff basically killed the spirit of the nation.
>>532695511You should.. It just proves what Russians really are.The.latest proof - Ukraine.Let GAE took over Ukraine at last,if they wantednit so badly. 2 color revolutions they tried there.Let's not attack to counter the coup when we have prepared units and somewhat organized people in 2014 .It does not matter that we have a legitimate reason for it. The burning of Russians in Odessa's union building in Odessa. No.Let's just have a deal and continue making money selling oil and gas.The art of the Russians deal. Minsk 1 , MinsK 2 agreements.Let's not go to Kiev in 2015 and stop our army at the village of Debalcevo and sign that Minsk 2.Then wit 8 years and when the enemy is strong enough to attack them with police riot units to take down Ukrainian government in Kiev in 3 days.https://x0.at/B0ze.mp4And then methodically kill some millions of puts in meat waves attacks for the next 4 years.Tell.me now.Is it possible one to be so stupid and be the heqs of a nuclear state that supposedly had developed their own rockers, submarines, planes ICBMs and space station in the past?No , it is not possible.The only.reasonable and logical explanation is that Putin is just an american spy whose task is to dismantle RF , just like Gorbachov's assignment from.the CIA was to destroy the USSR.He admitted it in a interview and he lives and died in the USA after 1991.
>>532695381>we won't have global influence eitherinfluence!!?These bastards betrayed the half of the world!
>>532696248The rock music culture they sponsored a d boomed so hard played a major role in subverting the enemy.
>>532695381Czechoslovakia fall apart 17 november 1989 literally because lack of bananas in stores!Switzerland of Eastern Blockalmost 40 years after ...We still have no returned to quality lifestyle which people had before November 1989.
>>532695381Imagine to.sell out your country for jeans and burgers and pizza hut just 45 years later after your fathers died by the millions fighting for it in ww2 to preserve it. Their bodies hasn't gotten cold yet.The Russians bastards are their best.https://dl.depot.4d2.org/JUxyDwvXOLAu.mp4https://dl.depot.4d2.org/sRmBtcbCmu0U.mp4
>>532697764>was selling muskets to warlords in Japan Absolutely irrelevant. Germany invented the entire modern world and in fact German engineers brought you to the moon. Who the fuck cares about fucking warlords in Japan.
>>532699662>We still have no returned to quality lifestyle which people had before November 1989.ohoooooooh.Didn't you like capitalism?So saaaaad.Ahahahhahahahah
>>532699825>Imagine to.sell out your country for jeans and burgers and pizza hut just 45 years later after your fathers died by the millions fighting for it in ww2 to preserve it. Their bodies hasn't gotten cold yet.That's boomers for you. They're the same everywhere.
>>532700197>Germany invented the entire modern worldAhahahhahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahah ahahahahhahahahahahGermans are so strong that they are now niggers, spicks and Turks.ahahahahahhahahaahahahhahahahahahStrong.ahahahhahahahah
>>532695381>Let's willingly surrender in the cold warjews killed the USSR because it was no longer useful. It was always a jewish paper tiger to point at and say look! give away your freedoms now!The successor states became irrelevant third world shitholes because the jews proceeded to sell off every single asset they had their hands on to jews in foreign countries, creating a localized great depression.
>>532697822Landlord here. I just fucked your mother. Rent is paid.
>>532695381>What was the logic hereThe kikes finally cooked up a scheme with Wall Street to loot the place. Voucher system, privatization, etc.They didn't surrender, they were sold out.
>>532696986It doesn't even drop below zero in that graph. It's obvious that you're trying to shill some angle but I'm not even sure that you know what that is exactly. It got a lot worse just after that timeline expiries as I'm sure you know. How do you propose that just deleting the country would ever fix the red line?
>>532695381You're a retard, they ran out of money.
>>532695381>What was the logic hereussr was in a crisis and couldn't keep all the subjected peoples subjected anymore so the mongrelstan fell apartwhich is ultimately the fate of all prisons of nations
>>532697748What >>532699011 said is exactly what happened in regards to china. Had there been no rift between the soviets and china, china would still resemble post chinese civil war china. Pure western capitalist retardation resulted this nothing to do with china reforming.
>>532701516Is this what your Polish grandmother always told you when you were a kid?USSR could have easily kept everyone subjugated if they wanted. They just ran out of money. Hell, East Germany was even against ending socialism and thought Russians are retarded for doing it.
>>532701608>ussr could but they just couldn'tthis type of doublethink is precisely what race mixing leads to
>>532695381Centrally planned economies simply don't work. China only advanced once it gave up that shit. The only difference was they kept the party while throwing out the communism.
>>532701779it's not a matter of planned economy it's a matter of incompetence, inherent corruption and wasting money on pointless showoff projects
>>532697748>whatever the fuck China didChina liberalized their markets, becoming capitalist in all but name.
>>532701356>ackchually the Soviet Union being near 0% gdp growth while every other western country experienced explosive gdp growth is a good signOk retard
>>532695381It was to default on debt.
THE LOGIC:
THE ONLY LOGIC:
WE ALL KNOW THE FACTS BY NOW:
>>532702152That's a nice pussy
>>532695381You went to a supermarket in the Soviet Union in the 80s and they had 77 products in total and they didn't even had a decent steak, that was the logic. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t7CIrQCIkzc
>>532696756The USSR didn't suffer from starvation since the immediate post-WW2 years
>>532696556Fortunately after the Soviet Union collapsed there was never corruption in Russia again.
>>532696986It's true that the USSR needed economic reforms to improve economic growth. The kind of reforms that Gorbachev implemented were, however, a disaster. The USSR should have undertaken Deng Xiaoping style of reforms.
>>532695381There is no economic logic in real communism except exploitation of goyim and creating unsustainable structuresModern EUSSR actions also have no economic logic except buttthurtThey still think it will work next time
>>532701957You're confusing terms. Capitalism is private ownership. Liberalization of markets is not capitalism. China is still one of the world's least capitalist countries, with vast parts of the economy being owned, fully or partially, directly or indirectly, by the state.
>>532701779Are corporations centrally planned by a handful of board members or does everyone who works for the company collectively vote on what the company should do?How come central planning is good for private buisness but not for governments?
>>532695381They had a bunch of sanctions put on them. The fact that most countries didn't side with them was bc us controlled the media too.
>>5327013561-2% annual growth might seem like decent growth by today's standards. In the 1980s however it was considered bad
>>532695381The Soviet economy couldn't keep pace with Western economies. Simple as. And I wouldn't exactly call today's Russia insignificant. The whole world watches to see what they'll do.
>>532697748Gorbachev tried to circumvent some party members' resistance to economic reforms by implementing political reforms that sidelined the communist party in its entirety. However, in so doing, he destabilized the political system, causing the destruction of both the country and the economy.
>>532702393>MEOW
>>532702954it's not the samecorpos can do finance analysis thanks to constant market info on sales, yields etcplanists need to guess production quotaslack of competition means at manufacturing level you have to make due with what's at hand and if one thing's not up to standard there's a whole trickle down effect of failurea working planned economy is a lot harder to set up than a market one especially on a big scale
>>532703073yeah everyone loves a dumpster fire
>>532703073That's bullshit, the Soviet economy kept on trucking up to 1994 when it was forcibly put down.The real reason is that the USSR became a "majority minority" country in the 1980's, after which Muslims started chimping out and doing the khalifate bullshit.
>>532695381Being poor is not that bad. Makes your nation unattractive to migrants which keeps you culture alive. Obviously by wealthy also has its advantages.I promise you, with this amount of border, russia would be unrecognizable if it was as wealthy as america.
>>532703732>Makes your nation unattractive to migrants which keeps you culture alive.and it gives an opportunity to the rich ruling capitalist class to easily recruit people who will be willing to die for them in their wars.Actually creating an wealthy population with high standard of living is a major if not the greatest threat for the security of your state.Because the rich are spoiled , they do not want to fight in the mud and die half torn to pieces in the trenches of the war.So to.counter this you start relying on foreign mercenaries. And soon you become dependant of them.Just like now GAE, USA is dependant on. immigrant workers to pick oranges and work in slaughter houses,factory farms and so on.Basically to do the work that everybody dependents on for food but nobody wants to do.And if you think that you will be so rich that noone will.ever be able to attack you. well you are wrong.Maintaining poverty and poor population to draft soldiers fro. is essential for the safety of rich ruling capitalist Epstein's class.Loom at Russia for example.They can easily kill millions for their oligarchs' wars, but USA can not spent 100k in their war in Iran. And this is why USA can not launch a ground invasion in Iran to conquer it.
>>532703728All that land, all those resources and an educated populace, and the West still made the Soviet economy look sick, friend. Lines for toilet paper, lines for bread and shit cars - that was the Soviet economy. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
>Be a Jew in Germany>Create communismFuck off.
>>532705134There is also no reason to conquer iran. So it has nothing to do with (((national security))).But people are less willing to die for the elite. That is true.
>>532701957that's not what capitalism is, yugoslavia did that too
>>532700935>abrogating currencynot very capitalist
