since out mutt brothers lost and are not capable of power projection anymore, what to do now? should we just ally with china? but chinks will never forgive us the century of humiliation. or just betray ukraine? but being blackmailed by vatnik gas doesn't sound good either. is accepting pajeet-infested leafland into eu the only solution?
The second century of european humiliation is just beginning, bro. You still got Greenland to lose, millions of jeets to welcome and a few wars to lose as well. Its gonna be marvelous.
lmao europe has literally zero future whatsoever. There is no development that comes out of it at all, totally took the backseat on AI and just import immigrants to their declining population.
>>532696180We don't need non-european alliesWe will rebuild arms industry and armies and fuck usa and russia up for good
cope harder achmed
>>532697583thats not what OP thinks. He went straight to "who is going to be our next daddy". Euros were made to be owned. Bunch of weak effeminate men. Europe collectively really has no good trajectory.
>>532697708Maybe OP is a faggot. Did it cross your mind? This board is currently raided by discord trannies.
>>532697708When you eventually get dragged into a meatgrinder war with russia and china we will just rub our hands and bide our time to attack and annex your "pal" russia. Their natural resources coupled with european intelligence means you are done mutt
>>532696552Ok, mongol
>>532697938Lmao the US will totally isolate from europe and let you retards fight eachother as you've done for centuries before we showed up and had to baby you retards. Russia is your problem alone. We will go back to ruling our hemisphere while euros inevitably rip eachother apart (its your nature). Also you have no industry and innovation. We will be in space and total AI automation while you learn arabic.
>>532697938You won't annex shit, laplander
>>532698104Aren't you glorified jewish cocksleeves at this point?
>>532698382you have nothing to look forward to but decline
>>532696552anon.. you are literally russian...
>>532696180>what to do now? The EU necessarily has to be destroyed."Talmudic Europe" is going to die. >should we just ally with china? but chinks will never forgive us the century of humiliation.I've noticed that Asians don't seem particularly angry at Whites, or at least, not angry at the White Nationalists. Asians seem quite horrified at what is going on in White countries and it would be almost laughable if there was any strong desire to invade and rule White lands. If you wipe out the Whites, you end up governing retards that fuck everything up even in small numbers. If you fail to wipe out the Whites you are now dealing an autistic race with a history of being very creative when angered. They will see due to extensive spying that competent Whites basically are trying to stop the imperialism of yester years and the globalist imperialists are a small minority of disliked people and often Jewish. For China specifically, having adopted communism even nominally is an embarrassment if you view history through the lens of national pride. The EU are the idiot faggots of the universe and a total fucking liability as dealing with these people requires that you involve yourself with subhuman shit creatures due to their Jewish culture and immigration policies.The thing about competent races and competent people is that they typically have a bunch of personal stuff they want to focus on primarily, so not fucking with these people can be a wise move. The existence of the other also has a formative and enforcement effect on the mutual observer groups which can ironically strengthen nations by virtue of their mutual awareness of themselves and each other as distinct peoples, preventing petty factionalism.
>>532697938u think russia's gonna fall for taking the finnish menace lightly againthey'll probably attack u first before anybody else
This wasn't US's war. Trump went rogue and shuffled around money to do this without congress. If the US was on board it would be another Iraq and we'd be in it for the long haul.
>>532698682Hasn't that been the US in a nutshell for the past 20 years?
>>532698923we will be an AI space empire while you will be... giving welfare to Ahmed?
>>532696180Like we have a say in it. Out governments are Jewish
>>532698912Well at least you lost without needing 20 years and a few trillions to do so this time.
>>532696180
>>532698952You can't even aford to care for your own veterans. The US empire died a few years ago, moving money within the AI bubble won't change that.
>>532696180>>532696552You lost tranny
its our fault really, NATO allowed europe to exist with out having to face the question of their own defense. They were able to drift off into pacifism and total self sacrificing idealism because NATO was there to prevent them from having to defend themselves. It worked, nobody militarily attacked europe, but they were able to develop an arrogant unrealistic highminded approach of supreme peacefulness not realizing that the world does not work that way, and now they are being invaded and cannot do anything about it because it feels mean to stop people from raping you
>>532699119more cope and more copeAnd what exactly trajectory is western europe in? Nothing, you have nothing to look forward to while we launch the best rockets on earth into space and are the leader in AI and robotics. "AI bubble" you love saying that, but it gets bigger and better every year.
>>532696180You are over from the beginning in this century. USA may look a loser now but they are still 980 times more powerful and potential for anything. Japan will keep sucking his dick to the very end. You can do Iran or Chinas
>>532699334We'll manage. Without US interference, endless wars, zog and the bs it entails we'll be good.You'll continue serving jewish interests and the interests of a few billionaires while being replaced by indians abd other brown people.You'll continue to launch rockets until china does it cheaper as with robotics, AI and everything else.
>>532699645whats funny here is you couldnt answer to europes future because it has none. All you did was run your cope script. I will tell you what happens. You will inevitably just decline to the point where western europe will be having ISIS style islamic civil wars and thats about it. While the US has everything it needs in its hemisphere and will rule its empire in peace while laughing at the rest of the shitty world.
>start bait thread>everyone is busy mocking eu, yet nobody is denying the fact usa lost its power projection capabilitypottery, but grim
>>532696180Which of you has pretty girl, comrade?
>>532699761We'll bee undoing a few decades of your bs, nothing else we need.Half your population isn't on board with your delusion as is "your" hemisphere.You'll continue to be replaced in your country and maybe live on as good goys. Can't rule shit if you hsven't been able to win a war in 50+ years and the need to cry for help.
>>532699273>its our fault really, NATO allowed europeNATO HQ is in Brussels, gay faggot. Nato was made to counter the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union.Warsaw pact is now in the EU and part of NATO. Soviet Union is now 10 independent states.>question of their own defense.The defense is easy, Russia invades place that makes loads of GDP (like Poland), and it gets nuked.Or it invades Euro users like the Baltics, and it gets nuked.>They were able to drift off into pacifism The US was the one asking for decolonization, globally.UK could justify a large navy by having coloniesFrance could justify a large navy by having coloniesYOU did this. Remember that, mutt. So many illiterate people in the US my god.
>>532699780It's undeniable
>>532700057There is ZERO evidence you are undoing everything, while there is clear evidence that the US dominates in relevant industries. In other words, you ride on hope (cope) while the vision is clear for the US. We just launched a space mission while you launched Ahmed launched his cock into your neighbor.
>>532696180we need to make it through this century of humiliation of the european race.
>>532700141>There is ZERO evidence you are undoing everythingNot my duty to educate you.Also funny you cling to muhh rockets and brown cocks.
>>532696180>blackmailed by vatnik gasThey are the most reliable contractors thinkable. Me worked with them for decades before the sanctions and it was always a pleasure about their intelligence, politeness and drinking quality. It's a mess their country is such an authority corrupt shithole. Better one partner there as 10 in the UShithole.
Their only ally is weak... now is the time to negotiate
>>532700363still after this many posts and this much cope you have nothing provided that is sure of western europes future trajectory. You arent a leader in any development or industry and all your governments are all left wing still. You have nothing yet still reply.
>>532696180You ain't gonna do shit mohamed
>>532699082This.>>532699273> NATO allowed europe to exist with out having to face the question of their own defense. They were able to drift off into pacifism It's the opposite actually. Where did you learn this out of curiosity? NATO during the Cold War was resting upon a Europe that was very experienced in war, had multiple imperial legacies in the West and in the East the enormous power of the Soviets states. The politics of nationalism had been defeated in WW2, but, the actual machinery and manpower of the Axis powers were a heavy resource for the West and East with Europe being very much a heavily fortified front line.NATO was and still is, an offensive formation, and not a defensive formation, as part of the "keeping Germany down" was keeping Europeans, the White race and their civilisation down. There's simply no point in viewing it any other way. Post cold war, Europe was very much a key part of American based globalism and synched heavily with the Kalergian ambition of Pan Europa as outlined in 1925 's Practical Idealism. American intervention in Palestine also established that Jewish Europe and Judeo-Americanism were the new Western standard. NATO has thus been a violent occupational force against Europeans and has assisted the USA in its aggressive globalism ever since.The climax of this was during the Arab Spring where NATO proved it could impose a draft war on White Europeans, leading to millions of casualties in Ukraine + child and adult trafficking operations for it's paedophile globalist black markets. A precursor was giving Kosovo to the Turks to wreck the Balkans and offend civilisation. The weakness of NATO now is a consequence of Trump, Brexit and national resurgence as well as the collapse of the Jewish Europe project.
>>532700386>They are the most reliable contractors thinkable. Starving niggers have to be reliable, they show their true face when they get some money.> It's a mess their country is such an authority corrupt shithole.this is their face.
>>532700447As I said not here to convince or educate you. Only cope I've read are delusions about muhh US empire after you lost again to sandniggers.
>>532700655>still nothing>still replyingBros cope that europe is up and coming is "he has to educate me". Europe has been dead buddy, its running off fat. While the US rules tech innovation. The cope bleeds out of his pores. Brag about your welfare or something, atleast that until it runs dry.
>>532700777>Mutt talking about fatyou lost (yet again), only good thing is end your own hegemony. The US rules inovation in as far as it caters to the whims and wants of tech firms and mega corps. Your economy will continue to bleed out until it chokes on it's debt and collapses. No sustainability.
>>532701195And europe has what...?? Lets hear it? Its been how many posts of your cope by now? Still waiting. You know its nothing but you cling on.
>>532696552Where this fake superiority of russhits comes from? You are stuck in a 4+ years war against a fucking Ukraine, literally the poorest most corrupted country in whole of Europe with frontline barely moving for the past 4 years and ukros gradually building up their drone forces forcing you to stop exporting oil by bombing your infrastructure and russhits losing more and more men each month. Against whole of EU you won't be able to even fucking touch a tree across the border.
>>532696552Based Russian.
>>532699408The USA was getting killed as a national concept by the globalism that was on full display during the Arab spring proxy wars. By time Syria was a major theatre for a proxy world war where NATO was so involved that it was actually able to afford fighting other NATO forces (NATO Turkey fighting NATO ISIS fighting Syria fighting Iran fighting Russia fighting NATO Kurds fighting NATO ISIS fighting NATO Turkey fighting Syria fighting NATO ISIS fighting NATO UK, USA, FRANCE NATO, fighting Syria and NATO Isis who were fighting NATO FSA and NATO Kurds who teamed with NATO Syria to fight NATO Turkey with the USA complaining about Iran and Russia attacking NATO by attacking ISIS who were fighting NATO USA).Objectively, globalism was making the USA less safe and the world less safe which was a very bizarre realisation for Americans and military guys who quite correctly calculated that by now they should be safer and more secure than ever in terms of sheer payment of directed violence. The UK/USA would be able to scramble fighters to protect Israel and go to war with Libya while pretending to not be able to afford an air force (making way for the EU military project for the scheduled war with Russia) revealed similar confusion for the rest of the West. The Ukraine draft was in a sense the last straw and a horrifying wakeup call for many to the fact that NATO was the biggest threat to NATO and the West.
>>532701297Freedom from your bs. No lore endless wars and bowing to US interests. Need nothing more. Fight (and lose) your own wars, be good goys on your own don't interfere in our sovereign trade deals.
>>532701580In other words moving off the world stage into irrelevance and decline as I already told you, glad you agree. Without riding off the coat tails of the US, europe has nothing planned whatsoever. And OP understands this which is why he proposed a new daddy like China. I agree the US should pull away from europe totally I already said that multiple times. Its a total dead weight lapdog that has sucked enough out of us. Get your own shit together.
>>532696552Exactly xD
>>532696552"India superpower by 2025" vibes
>>532700557its quite simple, since america contributed the bulk to nato, european states were able to specialize and not face the idea of war in its totality. If anything bad happened it would be a NATO problem, not their own personal problem, and so while many european states continued producing military technology, having small militaries, etc, to retain practical knowledge, they did not have to take ownership of the moral implications of war and consider their own ethical stances from an existential perspective. This meant they were free to become more high minded and less grounded in reality. Essentually, if someone ever attacked them, nato could apply the psychological pressure to nudge them towards their own self defense, begrudgingly.This is a problem with the west in general, since we have an ideological seperation from our practical needs. Our morality is one of self sacrifice and pacifism thanks to christianity, so we always need the state to be a kind of bad guy and do the 'necessary evils' of warfighting. With NATO offloading that dirty business from their own state governments political discourse, public policy, and general public sentiment drifted away from having to contemplate these conundrums and arrive at an actual system of what is right and wrong in regards to war. Because they have not been updating these their only apparent choice is a return to pre ww2 nationalism which is distasteful to people because its simply old fashion and alien, or simply rejecting the 'evil' as being necessary at all and becoming suicidally empathetic.
>>532701794>In other words moving off the world stage into irrelevance and decline That would be the US.>Get your own shit together.Absolutely, wont serve your interests, won't support your hegemony, won't support your wars, won't uphold the petrodollar, won't enter or adept our trade agreements to serve your interests. We are absolutely fine dealing in other currencies abd trading on ewual terms with others. Just did the EU-Mercusor, EU-Australia and EU-India trade agreements, some states worked it out wuth Iran, currently msking deals wuth china while tightening our oartnershios with the pacific states and OATUU. The only ones seething sbout this were, as skways, you mutts.
>>532696630In your own words, what do you think the "globalism" is that people refer to on /pol/ ?>>532697708OP is an American NAFO. See the reference to "betray Ukraine" as if the CIA coup and draft war genocide wasn't betrayal. >>532698912>Trump went rogueLol, that's pretty optimistic. If NAFO/Epstinions are angry with Trump right now, that's a good sign.
>>532698965Jewish power is collapsing rapidly. This is why the only people worried are NAFO/peds.>>532700386Who are you even referring to?>>532696180>or just betray ukraine?Ukraine was already betrayed and arguably raped by the West and quite literally targeted for rape by the Epsteinions.Child trafficking out of Ukraine to places like Israel etc. The treatment of the Ukrainians has a lot of WW1 vibes. The potential revenge seeking here is pretty immense. What NATO did to these people is fucking terrible.
>>532702250>That would be the US.All you have is hot air. You have nothing for the future we've been over this. After what 10 comments couldnt point to any roadmap on what makes europe a world player while the US leads in all important industries. The US/North America has all the natural resources it needs to sustain on its own while europe will need to continue to cuck itself to foreign exports. The US provides most of europes natural gas infact. Again, you had not a single objective point to prove me wrong. You run 100% of hopeium and bias and have no real world explanation for a single thing in this thread but your third world style butthurt over the US.
>>532702247>its quite simple, since america contributed the bulk to natoThe problem here is that you're ignoring or not actually aware of history. The "contribution" of NATO, was the quite literal attempt at killing the West and the White race. Of putting both the British and the Germans down for good. Europe already had several super powers up until WW2 and the result of WW2 was considered, by USA war winning generals, a total fucking insane mess, especially in light of what was happening in Communist occupied Europe. The American nationalist and racialist response to WW2 and NATO could be described as one of existential horror at having enthusiastically killed the premise of their own civilisation to make way for something that was as disgusting and insane as communism. It's worth noting that a lot of New Nazism's earliest appearances and anti-Westernism actually came from the UK and the USA and later the former Soviet countries. This attitude coming from the victor populations indicates just how totally absurd the "NATO is a good and moral defensive alliance for the democratic rule based liberal world order led by the good country of USA" concept is. The idea that the USA was doing anyone a favour is absurd. The horror story of political correctness is the cultural export of the globalist USA. The death of the American republic was all but fully achieved until 2016 and likely because the global new order were unable to destroyed the 1st and 2nd components of the US constitution. >This meant they were free to become more high minded Europe was literally staffed with Jewish child rapists and cannibals and caused a genocide in Ukraine by forcing them into a war while banning them from being refugees while allowing rapists into to terrorise EUK civilians under the protection of "refugees welcome".Nothing about these sick murderous fucks is high minded. They have been oinking for war every second of every day.
>>532702666>on what makes europe a world player Educate yourself>The US/North America has all the natural resources it needs to sustain on its own Yet reliant on trade as everybody else and uniquely reliant on it's hegemony and the petrodollar to stay afloat.>europe will need to continue to cuck itself to foreign exportsThat's called trade nigger, refer to previous post.>US leads in all important industriesNo>The US provides most of europes natural gas infact. That's trade nigger>You run 100% of hopeium and biasSaid the "muhh interstellar AI powered US empire" poster. You empire is death, you lost again. Europe will continue without the US and focus on it's own problems and make trade agreements that benefit itself
>>532696180nobody thinks about czech republic in the US, bro. nobody cares who you ally with. go suck off china. nobody in America would notice or bat an eye
>>532703331>Europe was literally staffed with Jewish child rapists and cannibals and caused a genocide in Ukraine by forcing them into a war while banning them from being refugees while allowing rapists into to terrorise EUK civilians under the protection of "refugees welcome".Nothing about these sick murderous fucks is high minded.They have been oinking for war every second of every day.That's the US....
>>532698382Nigga you walk outside your house and hear the Muslim call to prayer LMAO
>>532703331your entire post has nothing to do with anything im saying. My entire point is natos existence caused an ideological shift in european society that has left them vulnerable to the current invasion
>>532703387>Europe will continue without the US and focus on it's own problems and make trade agreements that benefit itselfRight, just off the world stage in decline. Like Brazil for instance. The players are China and the US, thats it this century. Just know your place thats all.
Europe is the new superpower.
>>532699645
>>532703623>off the world stage in declineEverything needs to be a performative circus for you mutts.>The players are China and the USEveryone on the board is a player. Iran just showed you how hard a small player can leverage. Only reason China has become a global player is their willingness to engage with others. The US isn't. The thought process behind the assumtion that you have to behave like a nigger to be taken seriously is the reason the US empire is ending. That's why the US seethed about the EU-Mercusor agreement and recent agreements between the EU and countries like India, China and OATUU.
bump for banter
>>532696552That's funny coming from someone who's been getting humiliated nonstop since the fall of the union, and considering that you're a pleb, during and centuries before as well.
The EU should apply the chinese strategy. Open war on ukraine's side, surrender to Russia immediately and slowly westernize them through numbers and cultural influence.Same thing happened when the UK was formed, the scottish king inherited the english crown.The world fears the EUSSR. From Lisbon to Vladivostok, baby!
>>532696180>chinks would never forgive usThey bought a chunk of Spains debt and our president has given xi under the counter blowies for almost 7 years.
>>532696552>that flag>that postlol, lmao even
>>532696180USA lost power projection, pussya lost it too.how about Europe grow some balls and became adult?
>>532705432it took decades to create current castrated europe, and this is just culturally speaking, but there is also great genetic damage, loss of strong men in world wars and all the weak babies being saved by modern medicine, it would take na enormous effort taking decades with different upbringing model, targetted breeding of strong men etc. for europe to grow balls
>>532696552miggers and ziggers are basically the same ''people''
Bump. This thread turned out surprisingly interesting
>>532707996TRUKE
>>532703609>caused an ideological shift in european society that has left them vulnerable to the current invasionThe invasion is self directed. The EUs president has specifically called Europe Jewish and Talmudic. Laws have been imposed to make it virtually impossible to have nationalist parties. All of this was achieved because of the pressure of the USA and it's anti-White globalist objective. There is no high mindedness involved here. The public were never asked if they wanted this shit imposed upon them, it was just imposed. After WW2 the UK was going to beat the utter fuck out of the Jewish terrorists in Palestine and the UK stopped them. The USA has very specifically broken the EuK at the administrative level. The reason why NATO isn't jumping head first into a war they desired for a long time now is that Trump is being rhetorical in asking them why they have lost interest in fighting. It's because the USA is no longer powering these dying states. This is actually a good thing for Europe and the UK. We are aiming for regime change.
i think you need some kind of pragmatic far right state driven innovation movement, kill the welfare state entirely and invest hundreds of billions on AI data centers etc. i don't know i think europe can't compete realistically. it's not even a country so how are they gonna work as a unit. it's not meant to be a country either, each part has independent goals and culture.s. weird stuff.
>>532713987>kill the welfare statebefore the mudslimes and other mystery meat, the welfare actually worked to get people out of bad life positionsyou wouldn't hear about welfare leeches as much back then because it's a new class that expanded because the browns love free shitreminder nazi germany was a welfare state for the aryansthe EU could invest into AI and data centers, but right now LLMs have no tangible benefit and there already exists european AI like le chatWhat EU neeeds to invest in is robotics, automating production, space>>532703657keep on regurgitating the same stuff as if von der leyens opinions reflect that of the rest of Europenobody here agreed to join the 3 day special Iranian operation
