Who won??? Both sides are declaring themselves as winners, and both sides are crying about the result.
The US lost and especially Israel lost. Not a single objective reached and Iran has now full control over the strait of Hormuz.Now Iran can build all the nukes that it wants. Nothing was gained just needless destruction. Also Israel and the US are out of interceptor missiles.
Miggers moved the goal posts and are celebrating.>From Frothing at the mouth about opening the straight of Hormuz NAO>To "Reopening the Straight of Hormuz was never an objective for the "operation"
Iran lost because who trusts us of ziomerica automatically loses
Solved all warsOpened all straitsWon the GOLDEN AGEStill winningSo much winning
spoiler: nobody wins, ever
>>532697435Despite some strong individual W's (like fucking up the Iranian leadership so badly it'll take decades for them to recover), Trump completely fucked up and has only highlighted that American hegemony is on the out.
TRUMP'S FAILED "GOALS":Complete regime change Free the Iranian people Control of Iran's uranium Control of strait & oil flow TRUMP'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS:Increase oil prices Waste billions of $$$ Turn our allies against us Create worldwide chaos Kill 1,000s of people Manipulate stock markets Distract from Epstein files
>>532697435Before:>No toll for oil>Oil traded in dollars>Gulf state bases>Iran has uranium>Khamenie with no virginsNow:>Toll for oil>Oil traded In Yuan>No gulf state bases>Iran has uranium>Khaminie with 72 virgins
>>532697435Opening US objective of the war; A quick operation resulting in the Complete elimination of the Islamic republic, installation of a proxy government chosen by Trump, complete US control of Iranian oil and assets. Unconditional surrender. Cease fire goal after 5 weeks; Get the strait reopened.
>>532697997Vietnam war, Korean war, Afghanistan. All failures that haven't affected America's power one bit. They destroyed Iran's military and infrastructure while incurring minimal casualties/losses. If anything that makes them much scarier. Any country in the world could be bombed relentlessly for a few weeks.
>>532697435the amount of kvetching coming from kikes is off the charts
>>532697435Genuinely what did we as Americans gain from this war. Someone make a steelman because i cant think of litteraly anything
>>532698251Live practice for advanced weaponry. Priceless really. What good is a military if it isn't used every now and then?
Hormuzzy still closed
>>532697435Nobody won. Israel has outright lost. They tried to push that this would be a quick excursion and now just openly want extended suffering. Iran is flailing at their neighbors instead of doing anything useful. Trump clearly just wants to fucking move on and Israelie shills are calling him a bitch in hopes he'll get mad and keep going. My hope is that maybe, somehow, this finally opened his eyes to Israel not having any actual goal and just wanting blood for the sake of it. I can see someone his age justifying Gaza, but this whole thing in Iran has been aimless from the start.
>>532697577Mohammedians coping hard.
>>532697939
No regime change. Turns out that you can kill all their leaders and they will get replaced but not a single one of these replacementa will kneel to suck jewish or pahlavis cock.Civil war plan (the actual Israeli plan to destroy Iran as they did with Syria) failed too, not even their kurd dogs wanted to fight this timeUS lost
The US lost the moment we got involved in the war, it was a no-win situation from day oneMaking a deal with Iran is the “least bad” option but it will still require some net loss. Like some sanctions relief or unfrozen assets, or allowing Iran to charge a fee. Otherwise Iran can just close the Strait all over again
>>532698390Trump open'd HerMussy
It was actually a distraction from the Epstein Files.Oh. My. God. It's so over.
>>532698251Steelman is probably a roll-back of Iran's nuclear and conventional capabilities by a couple years. The killing of the leadership doesn't count as a success imo because the people that are left over are clearly competent enough to effectively govern the country under pressure.
>>532697997You do realize they can always put in a more radical new leader, right?
Israel single handedly defeated Iran, Iraq, Oman and Lebanon, of course. You may screencap this.Remember they never lost a war (all ended in ceasefires imposed by world powers after a few days/weeks of fighting, return to status quo antebellum and endless delusional gloating).
>>532697435Trump tarded out of his crazy unhinged Easter post. He pathetically capitulated to Iran's terms, even if he's lying which he is.
>>532698153Dumbest post of the thread award. Korean war created North Korea, Vietnam war increased communist influence and directly decreased Western influence, and Afghanistan certainly drained American power. Drained it just like the other two. When you stop winning, you stop being respected, and your enemies embolden themselves. Meanwhile internal divisions are a cancer on your internal affairs. The only thing holding the JewSA together is the fact that we Americans are all golems to Israel and Epstein's cabal, but people are starting to wake up now. I had Holocaust class in like 8th grade, but I never saw the Holocaust. I have however seen how Jews blow up schools. Everyone hates USA now, especially Americans themselves. >but muh USA powerhouse eagle screech guns burger steroid rage rocketsThe only niggers with this position are MIGAtard boomers, who are only capable of sending their poor children and grandchildren to go die, because the boomers sure as hell won't. They got 401ks to enjoy. The ones screeching for war aren't the ones who are gonna be dying.
>>532698464Damm I didn't know Laundry fires had shrapnel. The more you know I guess.
>>532698437Israel goal is greater Israel. It is not realistic as it would require mass genocide in multiple nations, especially without Americans to do the dieing for them.
>>532698437>Iran is flailing at their neighbors instead of doing anything useful.ah yes, destroying all american military bases in range was both "flailing" and "not doing anything useful"
I wonder if the families of the dead and maimed US soldiers feel this war was worth it
Israel lost that's all that matters.
>>532697435Winner? Their is no winner here. Call it a pyrrhic victory at best, but honestly it seems like a everybody loses situation here.
>>532697435Both US and Israel lost, bigly.Israelis are all incredibly pissed they have been getting bombed nonstop for 40 days while waiting for Trump to turn Iran into molten glass and Americans that supported Trump are unironically ready to 25th Amendment his ass over this shit
>>532699278Unironically yes because Amerigolems are actually that fucking retarded
>>532697435Winning implies more positive than negatives after an outcome, at least in my opinion. Nobody got more good than bad here, it was a retarded war instigated by retards and the entire world is literally worse off for it. The major players involved should all be killed for this, and Khamenei is gone so that leaves two particularly important cocksuckers. Israel definitely got the worst deal in the long run, they were gunning for Iran as a failed state and it appears not only to have even more hardliners running things, they also are more powerful now with all these concessions. Iran got fucked up hard and in the traditional war sense it's no contest, they got owned, but in the long term I don't see how one can argue they didn't gain the most. As a country they are in a better position of power post war than pre war. Generally not a good sign.
>>532699138it is realistic because arabs are retarded and keep attacking israel for just sitting there, and so israel kills those arabs, and expands some to create a buffer from the arabs, and then their settlers see that land and decide to go make a farm there, then the arabs get retarded again and attack again, so israel gains more land.Greater israel will just happen naturally over a series of defensive wars. Might take a century or two but its basically guaranteed to occur. Thats whats so neat, its not a goal they have to actively pursue.
>>532697435Who controls the strait? Whoever does right now, they won.
>>532697577Lots of Persian children died so that's 1 point for the Jews. Possibly the only point they cared about.So in that sense, miggers are right in saying that they "won."
This was the most humiliating thing I can remember us doing. We lost big time. At least the orange retard in chief finally took the L instead of doubling down even more.Only question is who are we wasting our blood and treasure on next
we should have blown up those power plants
>>532699911Checked. Dirkas would dirty bomb Israel, everyone would win.
>>532698153Stop hiding in Toronto you fucking kike. Go die on the Litani like all your fellow rats.You fuckers are worse than refugee ukropigs.
We effectively won weeks ago, you are falling for Iranian state propaganda
>>532697997>so badly it'll take decades for them to recoverIt is not hard to stick a new religious zealot in the place of the old religious zealot when the entire country is filled with religious zealots
>>532700051You are shilling harder than the covid lockdown shills
>>532700000Checked and I agree. Removing Israel from the middle-east might finally bring peace to the region
>>532699278Mutts are fucking thrilled when they can sacrifice their children for Israel. There is no higher honor for them.
I congratulate to every shia muslim on their grand victory todayDeath to jewsDeath to americaI hate the antichrist and i did not receive the mark of the beast
>>532700000praise be to allah the digits speak
>>532697435Everyone lost: Iran, the US, Israel, the gulf states, and the world.
>>532699865Cuba
>>532700331Shut up you zogglodite trannyI wonIm happyJews arentYou arent
>>532698251Some vengeance for Iran's misdeeds from the embassy hostage crises onwards. More expensive oil and gas, which will disproportionately harm America's trade competitors. Not much else, unless Iran collapses under Mojtaba sometime in the future because he's a nepobaby and isn't good at governing.
>>532697435Israel will false-flag to kick start it
>>532697939pay the toll fag
>>532697435War is not over yet so no one so far, but both sides are loosing as of now. Iran is being retarded and letting ships through the strait, and Trump is being retarded and using the Iran peace deal as a basis for negotiations. In two weeks we either get a peace deal where no one wins or we go back to bombing each other
>>532697435Humanity lost, Iran won
>>532697435Israel has already killed negotiators twice. This cease fire will last 48 hours.
>>532697435>chinks and gooks have to pay 2 mil per ship that goes through the straithey guess who doesn't use the strait and therefore isn't paying a dime
Now Denmark can charge a toll for Baltic access and turks for the black sea. This is a win for the tollbooth economy
>>532697435Mongolian Deep State won
>>532697435Pissrael can't go a week without bombing some children somewhere. My bet is it's not going to last 2 weeks. The filthy jew is going to drop a bomb blame whomever and drag trumps foreskin to the war room again.
>>532700515Your Ayatollah "won" by getting blown to pieces, along with half your leadership and industry. It's an unquestionable loss, Iran is in a far diminished state compared to where it was. Most humilaitingly, velayat-e-fatiq got exposed as a hereditary monarchy, killing the pretence of an Islamic republic---which depends on ideological authenticity for loyalty. Sending the masses out to act as bomb fodder in lieu of an air defence system was another black mark, very very few are that fanatical, and it alienates every other Iranian, including those within the regime.
>>532697435>before the warships have free passage through the strait>after the warships now have to pay Iran a tollIran won.
>>532697577>and especially Israel lost.Israel is still invading Lebanon
>>532699006That was one of the zogbots dildo exploding in the fire.
>>532700924>before: chinks have free passage through the strait>after: chinks have to pay 2 milpay for my war chink boy
>>532700903Oh this changes everything then.HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
>>532699850>Lots of Persian children died so that's 1 point for the Jews.Then again they breed like rabbits. Killing them by dozens or even hundreds or thousands doesnt really have any effect - They murdered 10 times more by themselfes in protest few months back then pisrael and mutts combined. Now no chance for protests in closest future, (war always pushes citizens towards the flag) and biggest reason for those - no money - is basicly solved as well with lifted sanctions and toll-tax. One is certain for me at this point- Trump will have his goal and really be in history book and 100 years from now everybody will know his name. The same way as we know Neron or Caligula
>>532697435I'm seeing doomer posts on both sides. I could see the US and isreal using this as an opportunity to lick their wounds, resupply, and move more assets into the region. But if I'm just some random retard on the internet thinking this than so are the top leaders in Iran. Maybe this is part of their plan?It's also likely isreal has a sperg chimpout in a day or two and ruins the ceasefire. They're still firing at Lebanon.If Iran cucks out like Syria did it's totally over though.
>>532697435We don't know who won until we see what terms of ceasefire are actually implemented.Will Iran charge a toll?Will Iran retain uranium enrichment capability?Will Iran retain long-range missile capability?Will US bases in the Gulf be repaired and restored?Will the ceasefire include Lebanon?Will sanctions on Iran's oil remain lifted?
>>532700903If Iran gets to charge a toll, it could more than compensate for the economic losses suffered during the war
>>532697997I wouldnt call this a winHe turned Iran into a military dictatorship overnightand took out the only person that was powerful enough to stop them making nukesLiterally the exact opposite of his intensions
>>532701023You realise the rest of them are all gonna be paying in the shippingyuan, right?>hurr dollar dominance no matter
>>532700684oil prices are GLOBAL niggereveryone pays for it. if it goes up anywhere in the world, it goes up everywhere else.
>>532700903>Iran is in a far diminished state compared to where it wasIran is going to be the richest country in the gulf because of the tolls.
>>532697435Here's a quick summary what the US achieved over this past 40 days. >>532701023>Chinese have to pay in their own currency for their oilAre you even being fucking serious?
>>532698126If you read the text, it's actually 72 ayys with big eyes that are all black and translucent skin. Bit weird.
>>532697997Every time you kill the equivalent of an Iranian boomer general, a younger, more radical, less predictable man takes his place. Probably why Iran is doing so well desu. Israel keeps killing all their boomer leaders.
>>532698549See>>532701471
>>532701135If pisrael continues to chimpout throut region and continues to attack what? 3 countries? 4? how long they can make it? Without US umbrella? With shatered beliefe in US protectorate that rest of arabs has to have at this point - then how long will it last untill some Qatari, Emirati or rest of those sandnegroes will start to ask questions if leaving pisrael alone is NOT in their interest?
>>532701317>>532701318>oil prices plummeted because they actually went upwhoopsiewhat's ur next maximum cope post follow up from getting absolutely raped twice in a row
Zionists are furious so I think that's all the answer you needI wonder how many hhave really died/been injured and how much stuff the US has actually lost, I suspect the Pentagon will release some information about this but at 3am on a friday night or something so it gets ignored
>>532701388more like 750 troops
>>532701388>chinks having to pay is bad because they have to use their currency to pay vs it being freeholy shit u guys have literally no arguments at all it's actually pathetic
>>532700630your 10 minute nova break is done get back to work english teacher
>>532697435>Who won???China did
>>532701778Qrd on chinks having to pay when their ships got let through earlier?
>>532701778They are killing the petrodollar while moving money from their left pocket to their right pocket. Are you having a stroke?
>>532697435>muslim vs spirtually muslim>Both sides are declaring themselves as winners LOL LMAO
>>532697435US is basically at the late Roman Republic phase right now. Well, it’s kind of at a crossroads where it could go late republic or late empire. If a proper Caesar or Augustus type leader rises up, exterminates boomoid neoliberals, exterminates jews, and restructures USA into a proper empire, everything will be fine. USA still has far and away the most potential for civilizational development of any other country, especially of they annex and consolidate all of North America (yes, Canadian neoliberals must be killed, too). But, if more neoliberal faggots and kikes remain in power, then it’s the late empire path and US will be toast in the very near future, as these deranged retards and parasites just run it straight into the ground.
>>532701551I hope all the Arab countries rise up together and turn isreal into ash. But sadly that will never happen because all of their leaders are paid off by the US and probably blackmailed by the mossad.I'm not even Muslim, but it disgusts me to watch all the sunni cucks kneel for their kike masters and fight against their shia brothers.It seems like the average citizen in these countries just want to be kike slaves and abandoned their entire culture and religion so they can have McDonalds, expensive cars, rap music, strip clubs, nigger gangster culture, porn, fentynal, Indian vape shops, weed, and, liquor stores.Very sad. America has all the vices you could ever want and everyone is still miserable here. "Freedom" doesn't equal happiness.
>>532700924That's Iran's win. The toll money itself isn't signifcant, but they have established they can shut down the gulf and now possess credible deterance to future attacks via a de facto sovereignty over the sea.The downside is every neighbour is now much more firmly in an anti-Iranian camp because they'll need to defend themsleves from an aggressive neighbour.>>532701243No it doesn't, not by a long way.>>532701360No, it won't be. The real benefit for Iran will come from higher global oil and gas prices for the next few years because of the damage they caused to the other Gulf states industries. They'll get plenty of money from that.
>>532702997You're misreading the situation. Iran has demonstrated belligerancy and capacity to cause damage to their neighbours. The other Gulf states are now forced to have a more credible detterance and defence against that. They're driven even further into both the American camp, and other anti-Iranian arragements wherever they may arise.>>532702053Iran has entered into it's Oliver Cromwell phase. The nepobaby hasn't demonstrated any political aptitude before, and Iran has many ambitious political figures.
>>532703308Thats why I'm against a ceasefire and hope Iran has a plan. I'd hate to see another nation fall into decay.These gulf Arab states need to feel pain from Iran so they stop supporting the US and it's kike masters that want to turn their countries into a cultureless non religious giant shopping mall open air insane asylum junkie ghetto like the US has become.Once you let that happen there's no going back, it's like end stage terminal cancer. Most Americans can't even read above a 6th grade level, the majority of people here are retarded golem NPCs on SSRIs and are addicted to drugs, porn, alcohol, sports gambling, and mindless Netflix and social media consumption.They want to all countries like this because they're easy to control. Thats why I have respect for the shias, they're one of the few people resisting this sickness.
>>532697997What the fuk you talking about nigger.Every sibgle figurehead that was killed got replaced within minutes>>532699865CubaGreenland maybe but Europe now knows he is weak so the war would end in another humilation
>>532697975based Demiurge noticer
