When I was a kid, I always thought >"wow, those united states guys! they must have everyone in the world by the balls with all that military might." I watched those videos on yt comparing military power and thought, surely they would win against anyone right? but they can't even win against fucking iran? what is this? is this a joke? Was that all a lie?Mutts, please clarify (No indians allowed in this thread please leave)
American politics is corrupt as shit when it comes to corporate interests especially the military industiral complex. Often times budgets are loaded with "pork" spending, which disproportionatly allocates money to local industries and projects tied to congressmen and senators home states.This leads to a ton of wasteful and strategically questionable spending. There was a case a few years ago where a Senator secured funding to build 100 more tanks for a factory in his home state. The Army came out and said "no more tanks. We dont need them." So they got 100 old ass tanks instead of drone nets.
>>532712868>can't even winTrump secured a ceasefire. If it leads to a peace, the United States has achieved victory. Hope that clears things up for you.
The US used less than a thousandth of a percent of their military capability and still won.
>>532712868real life isn't a video game where unlocking better technology means you immediately win.
>BAWWWWWW I DIDN'T GET TO SEE AMERICA INVADE IRAN AND WATCH AMERICAN SOLDIERS GET BLOWN UP BY FPV DRONES AMERICA IS OVER
>>53271322710% of our aircraft carriers are out of commission.
The smooth brains will complain that "why don't we just bomb them!?" but there's more to it than that. They're trade partners. We have diplomatic ties and obligations in that region. Technically, we could level Iran with all the bombs we have, but that would look very bad for us on the world stage. Worse than Israel, maybe. At a glance, it looks like political posturing/saber-rattling. Regrettably, we had to bomb that girls' school and blow up a bunch of brown people in the region, but that comes with the territory. We're setting up dominoes for another performance somewhere in the future. Rest assured, our glow-in-the-dark agents are busy trafficking children, drugs, and guns to the necessary parties to do our bidding. The next Mujahadeen or whatever. i.e. Same shit as always.
>>532712868we can but you would need to be willing to bomb civilians because Iran put their bunkers underneath populated areas where people live. Also, their military is made to be guerrilla type, which has always been difficult. Just look at how well Japan did with the Machinato and Shuri defensive lines.
>>532713338we dont need aircraft carriers when we have craft that can launch from underwater.
>>532713449trvthnvke
>>532713177>War objective: acheive peaceWhy did he start the war in the first place, then?Any concession the US will make will be a loss.
>>532712868They are merely a Special op for Israel
They can send carrier strike groups to anywhere in the world and do aerial bombing wherever they please, but if that doesn't work for whatever reason, then they're fucked. The Iran War is really a failure of geopolitics rather than a military failure. No sane US admin would have started it.
>>532713177>surrendering is victory
>>532713660unironically it is when the jews got you stuck in an unwinnable conflicttrump solved the kobayashi maru
>>532713364>Regrettably, we had to bomb that girls' schoolYou did not have to do that. It was a sacrifice to Moloch which Israel wanted because they are child killers. All it achieved was solidifying Iranian defiance and resistance.
>>532712868new jew tech (AI) lets israel assassinate all the leaders, its not enough to subdue an entire nation of people. mutts and jews got cocky.
are you asking rhetorically OP or you want actual discussion? because i dont see how iran wins at all from this situation>baited into overextensioniran is not very strong and has spent entire war losing men and material, tyhey failed to destroy any significant military target, failed to sink a single ship, and are now locked into attacking the straits >governmentiranian revolutionary guard is built around enforcing islamic ideological doctrine and ensuring the flow of cash to the imams and mullahs through the ayatollah. kind of like a crime syndicate in how its organised. but this was wiped out in opening weeks, and while iranian revolutionary guard took massive losses in men and material, they also now fractured into independent commands. you can call it whatever you like, but iran was not a decentralised country prior to the conflict and now is. that is a powder keg waiting to happen >socialiran has had huge unrest before conflict because irgc are terrible at governing and alienated most of population. sure, conflict gave irgc some temporary powers such as being able to execute iranians without news coverage, enforce harsh lockdowns and curfews, and of course create a nation wide internet blackout but this is not sustainable way to run society and irgc will be forced to walk back these changes unless they intend to have a 24/7 junta (which already conflicts with their pre-conflict government... creating immediate divsion between irgc and imams)
>>532713254If your technology is 80 years ahead of civilian technology and 50 years ahead the rest of the world's militarized tech, I'm pretty sure that's an easy win when we actually decide to use it.
>>532713908They don't, but neither does USA and Israel, lose lose for everyone, including those who don't give a fuck about the war.
>>532713518>Why did he start the war in the first place, then?To achieve peace. Didn't you read the post you're replying to? Mutts apparently starts wars so they can make peace. Kek
Why exactly do shitsins keep posting these dumb threads when shitskins were crying yesterday about how it was evil of Trump to threaten to nuke the shit out of iran.It's so pathetic when some 80 IQ mudman begs you not to kill him, so you don't, then he starts gloating "heh, you're actually weak because you didn't kill me!".
>>532713177>>532713518>start a war yourself so you can finally arrange one peace accordGenius 6 million IQ move, the real art of deal.
>>532714515I saved your post from yesterday.
>>532712868https://youtu.be/kzcJlbw4OXE
>>532714086$30k shahed drones were overwhelming israel's "iron dome" missile defense system. real life isn't a computer simulation or a controlled test environment.
>>532713753>You did not have to do that.We did. The reason may not be clear yet, but superstitious nonsense isn't the answer.
>>532714845They have religious festivals that celebrate the killing of their enemies children (Purim and Passover). The attack happened on Purim. There was zero military reason behind the attack. You might not believe these superstitious things, but the Israelis do.
>>532713908>>532714349Have you forgotten how Iran controlled more than half of the Middle East before Israel and its golems pushed them back? Lebanon, Syria, and Yemen are also part of this conflict. If Iran can ensure that the US stays out of the Middle East, its industry, which is absolutely dominant in the region, will once again ensure that the Middle East falls back into Iranian hands. The whole point of the war was to ensure that, in a multipolar world, Israel would lead the Middle East. And that has failed.
It seems I've destroyed another shill thread with my global political analysis. So I'll just post some memes instead. Maybe a few real anons will find us this way.
>>532715046israel and iran do not have the military ability to control the middle east, that is obvious.
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>>532712868I think its the retard president, he lost in afganistan and now in irak, you see nixon was a retard too an he lost vietnam so i think you can have the best military but if your president suffers from down syndrom you can´t win
>>532715452It isn't. As I said, Iran controlled Gaza, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, and Iraq, while Israel controlled at least the Gulf States, Jordan, and Azerbaijan before all this started. The difference was that Iran achieved this influence itself and under sanctions, while Israel's influence is almost entirely bought by the US.
>>532712868Fucking tranny
>>532712868The U.S. navy use to play an important role in securing free trade throughout the whole world. Then it started sanctioning other countries and tariffing its own people who buy goods abroad. Now it can’t even do that which means the U.S. dollar will be replaced by another currency soon as the world reserve currency. When that happens the buying power of the dollar will dramatically decrease and we will have to shift our economy towards manufacturing. The retard oligarchs are still betting on AI to find a magic money glitch so they can hold on to their power.
>>532713177>the United States has achieved victory.It's a pyrrhic victory. The last you'll be having. You're about to get wrecked in the midterms.
>>532712868>I watched those videos on yt comparing military power and thought, surely they would win against anyone right?your 85 IQ is showing, hueanon
>>532715822Iran has now demonstrated its ability to bring any outsider seeking to interfere in the Middle East to their knees by cutting off the global economy from oil. This effectively transforms the Middle East into its own region within a multipolar world scenario. Europe led by Germany. Asia led by China. America led by the USA, or at least one of its states should it disintegrate. A Middle East led by Iran. Thats my prophecy of what a multipolar world would look like, assuming the nations with the strongest industries as the most likely leaders.
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>>532716795Last bump. I tried, but now it's touching grass time.
>>532713518 >>532713660 >>532714526 >>532716265salty
>>532712868Its a matter of nuance.Any nation can be rendered impotent if its leader lacks wisdom. If its military commanders are not in agreement with the state. If its rank and file are demoralized and disgruntled.The Americans military is a highly competent force IF used for the right purpose in the conditions it was meant to operate. In Iran it was being used for the wrong purpose and without any of the necessary preparations. The American commanders knew this and saw their advice rejected, some were fired or forced to resign. Even the soldiers are openly insubordinate and prone to making their frustrations and anger felt through acts of sabotage, as evidence by the national parade and the "accidents" on the US carriers.It is not a uniquely American problem, it has happened many times through history. For example the Russian winter war against Finland in 1940 lead to severe setbacks and defeats for the Russians. It happened to the British at Singapore in 1941 where a numerically inferior Japanese force running out of supplies still manged to force into humiliating surrender a much larger British force. It happened to Argentina at the Falklands in 1982 where a war was started for politically selfish reasons and poorly trained conscripts and an antiquated navy were given the impossible task of defending the islands against elite British units supported by a modern navy. What has happened to the US has been a severe blow to their prestige, yes, but should any nation seek to take advantage of this fiasco in an act of aggression against the US or US ally then they would face an America military displaying an ability and competence vastly superior from what we have just witnessed.
>>532714845Ignoring the religious angle of the jews you are loyal to above all else is folly. It would be like people refusing to acknowledge symbols are used to communicate
>>532712868trump is a peace man, he works for peace, thats what it achieved
É isso que você recebe por ser informar pelo "Hoje no Mundo Militar", kek!
>start war citing the cause as "regime change">Hormuz closed for weeks, entire country economies collapse>Loses billions in equipment and all bases in the middle east>Accepts all of the Iranian points for ceasefire>No regime change>Hormuz still in control by Iran by toll>But they achieved peace for a war they startedVictory
>>532712868I don't usually like making comparisons between Rome and the US but this Iran episode reminds me a lot of the Jugurthine War. If you know you know.
>>532713160>>532712868Our late stage capitalist oligarchs simultaneously want a huge bloated military that costs taxpayers $1000 for soap dispensers on bombers. But also doesn't want to tax the rich to pay for it even though they benefit the most from it.So you end up with this weird hybrid military thats both exorbitantly expensive but practically useless at any task outside of bombing third worlders with no industry or anti-air defense. And as we keep learning over and over again you cant win wars with air power alone. At some point you need soldiers on the ground taking and holding territory and forcing the enemy into submission.This war if it continued and escalated was going to cost an additional 1.4 Trillion dollars on top of the militaries already huge budget of 980 Billion dollars.It is unironically cheaper to simply pay Iran reparations and walk away.
What is the win condition for US in this conflict?1. Government change2. Uranium managed 3. Iran stops being a threat to US vassals in the region4.?None of them were accomplished.
>>5327189621. Temporarily appease Israel2. Distract from epstein files3. Insider trading on oil futuresDecisive Trump Victory. All objectives accomplished.
