Is this the worst defeat in US history? Iran came out of this war stronger than ever before and the US completely capitulated to every single iranian demand.
Now just one timy problem remaining. Include Lebanon. Lol.
>>532716167There's no spinning this as a victory for the US. Sorry miggers, but this is straight up just embarrassing
>>532716167Proof of Trump has accepted these terms?No? I thought so.
>>532716167Greatest victory in US history. We just abandoned Israel and those corrupt Gulf regimes. America First!
Is it really that much more humiliating than Afghanistan or Vietnam?Maybe it is the double whammy of TACO + war loss combination that's making this one particularly humiliating. The USA loses wars all the time and that doesn't stop mutts from chest thumping but for example when Trump cucked out on Greenland the MIGA mutts were completely silenced for a month.
>>532716270Why would he have agreed to a ceasefire otherwise. Its entirely one sided. Iran haven't left much room in the way of negotiation. The reality is trump is one massive fuck up, he's made a pigs ear of this. The whole "big one" bait didnt work, he just looked retarded. Someone had a quiet word called a time out for 2 weeks.
>>532716167You forgot>ships now permanently have to pay to pass the straight>this will increase costs of oil>which hurts mutts>2 weeks also lets iran fortify the islands
>>532716167Every Iranian demand is stop bombing us and pay your toll like a normal vessel
>>532716167Operation Epic Fail! lmao
>>532716167>post a notepad screenshotyou have no clue what they actually agreed on for during the ceasefire
>>532716270agreed to ceasefire
>>532716218Lebanon is included in the version published by Tasnim>Cessation of the war on all fronts, including against the heroic Islamic resistance in Lebanonhttps://www.tasnimnews.ir/en/news/2026/04/08/3560010/what-is-iran-s-10-point-proposal-to-end-war
>>532716233Both sides are declaring victory and blustering for the benefit of the home audience. We don't know yet what will be implemented
>>532716404>america starts their 300th war in the last 50 years>americans pay a 1% rise in fuel costs>European fuel doubles yet againare we winning yet
>>532716167>>532716233Hahahaha>stronger is when several iterations of your leadership get killed and you lose 3/4 of your energy infrastructure Hilarious
>>532716167None of this matters to the US. The sole loss, which is massive, is that oil is being bought from the mid east in yuan and rubles. The second negative is trump exhausted the high tech missiles and spent 200billion and needs 250 billion more. The upside politically is little. He will likely be distrusted by 70% of the electorate. He will lose mid terms and spend the rest of his presidency as a lame duck. The initiative is gone and aside from expanding ice he accomplished nothing that can’t be undone via executive order. This was a massive fuck up. That 10 point peace proposal is bad news for Israel. For the US it’s basically nothing. Iran didn’t really win either. They’re dead and have no military outside of a defensive rabble infantry and the missile program which is set back 5-10 years. That’s not really a problem for the US or them. It’s a problem for Israel because Iran is now free to rebuild and the US presidents going forward won’t have interest in destroying their presidency over Iran/israel shenanigans
>>532716404Slightly higher gas prices are a small price to pay for our Persian Allies keeping Israel in check
>>532716167>The world suffers from high prices for everything>The Iranian regime is even more entrenched>America has shown that there are limits to its military power>The gulf states have suffered, without any protection from America>Israel have got some of that Lebanese lebensraum they wanted, at a cost of entrenching Hezbollah as the only Lebanese group willing to protect the Lebanese people>NATO is effectively over>Pax Americana is dead as a concept>America is (more) hated by literally everyone in the world>America has lost all credibility as a negotiating partnerTrump won!
>>532716787>>NATO is effectively over>>Pax Americana is dead as a conceptthese are good things, defend yourselves Souminigger
>>532716966>defend yourselvesNATO benefited America way more than yuros. Only country to ever invoke Article 5
>>532716167>Is this the worst defeat in US history?It depends on what parameters you're using. Are you referring to strategic or tactical defeats?Because St. Claire's defeat (1791) and the Philippines campaign (1941-2) were much larger military disasters tactically speaking but didn't result in strategic defeat.We also don't have the benefit of seeing the long term impacts of this war like we do with historic wars. If we were to judge conclusions to wars by how bad they looked at the very end, it comes out very differently to how they look in the long term. The War of 1812 for example ultimately solidified America's position as a regional power and did check British advances, but viewed at the very end of it it seemed like a pointless affair where we suffered many defeats. As such I don't know how it'll compare to Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq in the long term.
>>532717117stick to your favela, braindead shit skin
>>532716167Losing wars is BULLISH, look at my lines go UUUUUP!!!Cha Ching baby, we should lose wars more often hot damn
>>532716167>>532717182I will add, I think it's closer to Vietnam than it is to Iraq.
>>532716167Who cares, Iran is based and shoots rockets at Tel Aviv
Good now we can get back to Epstein.
>>532717274Vietnam was 20 years long though
>>532717337Exactly; Trump speedran 'nam. Still similar strategic outcomes.
>>532716167In world history. This defeat belongs to everyone, not just the US taxpayer. The whole thing was a fucking blunder thanks to Bibi and his shitty three ring binders and all the people of Israel who goaded Trump into starting this shit in the first place. NO ONE in the USA has ever given a shit about Israel or Iran
>>532716432Having to pay a toll to pass through international waters is pretty fucked actually
>>532716756If you don't think Iran will immediately acquire nukes you're crazy. They were cruising before but now the fire is lit under their ass and they will have nukes by the end of the year. Screencap this.
>>532717117Yes, it did. But not because of article 5.NATO benefits the US because their European bases allows them to project power into the Middle East and Northern Africa. And because NATO's need for common, interoperable weapons and weapons platforms means that de-facto the European nations were forced to buy from the US military-industrial complex, through which the US made billions.Trumps complains about the US being the only country putting adequate budget spendings into sustaining their NATO presence is bluster as well. The US would put that money into sustaining their worldwide hegemony presence one way or another - regardless of NATO.In fact, they callously cheat on their spendings report as they count all US deployments abroad under that umbrella. They count troops and weapons stationed in the middle of the damned Pacific under NATO spendings - using the paper-thin argument that in a pinch those would be redeployed to Europe.
>>532717117Nigger what? If NATO doesn't benefit Europe, why do eurofags keep joining it?
>>532716733None of that matter if Iran gets even half of what they asked for btw, meanwhile the U.S. couldn't even decided what its own goals were during the entire war and seemingly considers it a "victory" to go back to the status quo from before the war. Iran absolutely comes out stronger here (depending on the deal that will be reached)
>>532716167I find it funny how everyone is ignoring point six. Although that will probably be the most humiliating for Trump. And to everyone saying that this is the basis for negotiations, that's an extreme case of coping. Iran has said all along that this is their only offer and there's no reason for them to accept anything less.
>>532717590You'd be the first to throw a shitfit if USA pulled out of NATO, admit it. We own Germany and Italy with or without NATO, let alone Ukraine.
>>532716270All major news outlets say he did , nobody is saying he didntBut it is a starting point
>>532716233True. Too bad it's from a tweet from a engagement farming street shitter
>>532717701Point 6 is the easiest to accommodate; but everyone agrees (who isn't an eglinigger) what a colossal fuckup this whole exercise was
>>532716787If they elevt a young nice democrat with a big smile all will be forgiven and he or she will win a nobel prize
>>532716167I'm just pissed Iran didn't do any serious damage to (((the chosen people))). They even got the cluster bombs through the gayass iron dome.
>>532717617He didnt say it didnt benefit europe, rather than it benefited america more
It's 5th generation warfare which means this whole situation is just fucking gay.>We won decisively>Nuh uh we won completely>Well you don't have an army or a navy>Yeah well all your bases are dead and we have missiles>Nuh uh you have no missiles>You agreed to all of our demands>No way you actually agreed to ours
>>532717796Of course he did. What people don't understand is that this is essentially an unconditional surrender. Trump had run out of options and time was running out, so he simply gave in to all of Iran's demands.>>532717834I wasn't referring so much to the feasibility, but rather to the fact that Trump's (false) reputation is largely based on the fact that he brings money to America. And I have no idea how one intends to promote reparations payments in such a way that they are considered a financial gain for the USA.
>>532717182Vietnam had the result of the US completely dominating South America afterwards.
>>532716233But-But-But the US has killed so many people and sunk all their ships (all three of them!), so they are clearly the victors in this conflict. r-right?At least, that was the narrative until this morning.
>>532718451You're telling me the US learned nothing?
>>532718249>Trump had run out of options and time was running out, so he simply gave in to all of Iran's demands.It should be noted, however, that this doesn't mean he won't try to circumvent the agreements somehow. His ego will torment him for these two weeks, but he won't find any other way.
>>532716233The things is Trump just need to write in all caps that they blew up a lot of shit in Iran, then fox news will show footage of US strike and the MAGA retards will just think "Fuck yes big splosion KABOOOOM !! USA ! USA ! USA!". It's literally just that simple, Iran will need a few years to become one of the wealthiest country on the planet thank to the toll but it won't be Trump's problem by then.
>>532716167>Is this the worst defeat in US history?he should attack cuba so we quickly forget this disaster
>>532716733>literally controls the straight of Hormuz now>gets payed reperation>nothing about their nuclear programhow is that bad for them? what was the point of this again?
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>>532718695if this is the result then cuba and greenland are fighting right now over who gets to be attacked next
>>532718677Above all, they can regain and presumably expand the sphere of influence they had before the conflict if israel only receives limited US support. I just wrote in another thread that there's a good chance Iran will lead the Middle East in a multipolar world scenario.
>>532718695The Cuban jungle is a much better fit as a Vietnam War replay than the Iranian mountains.
>>532718834Did you think trump wrote that he had surrendered? Is this the first trump post you've seen? He never admits defeat.
>>532716167>Is this the worst defeat in US history?ITS A GIGANTIC VICTORY IN THE LONG RUN.>america throws israel under the busknesset kikes are losing their fucking shit on social media. >trump didnt even tell israel he's negotiating with iranHOLY SHITHOLYFUCKINGSHIT
>>532718855He never planned to attack Greenland. Rather, his idea was that Europe would give him Greenland as thanks for everything America does for Europe.
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>>532717485>Having to pay a toll to pass through international waters is pretty fucked actuallyPerhaps the criminals who masquerade as "governments" are setting a new precedent?
>>532719310ok. kinda seems like it's not europe's place to give away sovreign states but I'm not an expert on international politics
>>532717485>>532719424its not international waters, and every other place on the planet is taking tolls when you sail through their turf. hormuz being always free to use was just iranians being based.
>>532719277This simply means that this one time he obeyed the Wall Street jews and not the Israeli jews. The big question is why? What changed? Did bibi lose his leverage? The White House says that trump definitely spoke with bibi before he announced the agreement. It's possible, of course, that the Wall Street jews had him deliver an offer to bibi that bibi found acceptable.
>>532716167Yes.>entire U.S. Navy sank>air force in ruins>Dallas and Tucson bombed>forced to surrender unconditionally >IRGC occupying D.C.It's never been this over.
>>532719442And you think trump cares about that? He thinks on a completely different scale. And I'm not saying that as a compliment.
>>532719616israeli jews and wall street jews are the same thing. >trump throws israel under the bus>What changed? Did bibi lose his leverage?how much you wanna bet bibi is dead for a month now, thats why Trump suddenly realized he can think for himself.
>>532719686>american ME bases are gone>pedodollar gone>IDF entered lebanon, and collapsed in a week
>>532719760>israeli jews and wall street jews are the same thing.So you're saying that the Wall Street jews would have accepted the potential destruction of the USD. In what world does that make sense? Israel is far from giving them the power that the USA gives them even if greater israel.
>>532719616They will fake Bibi's death and he'll enjoy retirement in his own private island. He couldn't care less what happens to Israel as long as he escape jail.
>>532719980>In what world does that make sense?in a modern antisemitic world in which america is pulling the plug on israel, you have to break some eggs to make an omelet.and apparently everything happening right now is proving me right.
>>532720018>They will fake Bibi's deathhes probably already dead. >not a peep from netanyahu in the last few days, especially todayhe dead.
>>532716167>guarantee of non-aggression by the USPlease explain how this will work. What penalties will the US face for attacking Iran during peacetime? Asking because the U.S. has done it before (twice in recent memory), with no consequences.
>>532720018It's possible he's realized his ideas aren't feasible. But so far, he's definitely been working towards giving israel a more important role in the jewish world system. Let's see when he resurfaces next or if.
>>532718249>Trump had run out of options and time was running out, so he simply gave in to all of Iran's demands.I am having a hard time finding any plausible read on the situation besides this. I believe Trump was installed by the jews *specifically* to prosecute this war, with the goal being the complete overthrow and of Iran as a functional, independent state. Israel viewed this as their last chance to pull this off and were therefore willing to burn all their intelligence assets, diplomatic capital, strategic blackmail reserves, and weapons stockpiles to make it happen. The only thing they didn't try was nuclear weapons. Yet despite it all, Iran still stands. I had believed that israel would not allow Trump to taco on this, that they would kill him or 9/11 the US before allowing the war to end. But here we are. It's conceivable that it was all just too much. The color revolution failed. The Kurds never invaded. The ground war in Lebanon was not going well. The Houthis were escalating economic pain. The American bases were being abandoned. The American fleet had withdrawn. Interceptor and standoff bomb supplies were running out, while Iranian capacity was staying steady. Israel was getting bombed every day. The Iranian people never rose up, and had instead stood firm. Then planes started getting shot down, and some sort of mysterious special forces mission got burned. American soldiers were submitting C.O. application in droves, and senior officers were resigning or being dismissed either explicitly or implicitly for opposing the war. Internationally, America and Israel were becoming isolated. Economically, it was a total disaster. So yeah. The only options were to escalate, and terror bomb the iranian population, (which wouldn't end the conflict), and/or do a ground invasion, (which wouldn't end the conflict). So no good options for Trump.
>>532720262if the jews survive the next few years, bibi will be remembered as the jew that killed israel.
>>532716167leaving Israel seems like a BIG win to me, or am i wrong?
Doesn't matter, Isramerica will backstab Iran as soon as they restock interceptors.
>>532716167>Is this the worst defeat in US history?nah another lame oneworst defeat was in undeclared war with judaismlost totally, conquered, half future foreskin given in reparation
>>532720178You should also consider who took out epstein and why. And the question of why they bought trump with mossad money from Las Vegas and then made him president. I don't like the idea of two jewish groups either, and I always assume they're putting on a show for the goyim. But if you see bibi as the mastermind behind an israeli revolt within the tribe, a lot of things make more sense. Including why they've been trying to get rid of him for years.
>>532720301It's messed up how beautiful modern weaponry look, really look ok Ike we've mastered magic. I'd love to see some Roman general reaction to these webm
>>532720380I would still have preferred if Iran had continued until israel and Wall Street had gone up in flames. But perhaps we'll at least witness one of those things.
>>532720668>You should also consider who took out epstein and why.he's probably alive, eating goyim babies on another island. >And the question of why they bought trumpmossad used a sniper to kill trump., but the dumbass kike missed. american people made trump president, which enraged israel. >90% of american jews voted for kamalagee wiz i wonder why.
>>532720826>gee wiz i wonder why.Exactly my point. If they had let kamala become president back then, they would have had to abandon israel under pressure from the democratic base. So they allowed bibi to buy himself a US president because, despite everything, they didn't like the idea of losing israel. Today they're kicking themselves for not abandoning israel back then.
>>532721226>if kamala won, america would abandon israel
>>532720826Furthermore, the idea that mossad missed its target is absurd. Since its inception, mossad has done nothing but eliminate people. If they had wanted to hit him, he would be dead.
>>532721428>mossad never fails
Hope they give the Nobel piece price to an Iranian next year just to see Trump's meltdown. Or fuck it just give Obama a second one for no reason at all, this price is a joke that only Trump take seriously anyway so let's have fun with it !
>>532721386They had no other choice. Back then, gaza was the issue. People would have burned down cities if their democratic government had supported bibi. That's why a republican president, even if it was trump and even if he belonged to bibi, seemed like the better alternative to them.
>>532716167Yes, an overwhelming victory.
>agreeing to a ceasefire to go over peace proposal means its accepted in its entirety why does everyone on this site lie and argue exclusively in bad faith?
>>532716167meanwhile americans claim victory like dumbasses.
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>>532721386>>532721574After all you're just a pollacke who can't follow most of the thought processes. Thanks for playing.
>>532721754>jew already starts seething and shitting the bedbetter luck next time, moshe.
>>532721808What's Shapiro's take on yesterday ?
>>532721930thats a good question, i think he's still crying and didnt post anything yet.
>>532721808You see, if you weren't just a pollacke, you'd notice that she writes, "trump has sold out israel," and not, "trump has sold out the jews."
>>532717796>All major news outlets say he didAre you retarded or are you joking? The points of negotiation haven't been revealed yet, everything is speculation. The only thing that's known is about the ceasefire and that the strait has been opened. The rest is just fantasy from your stupid head.
>>532716167Doesn’t top Afghanistan which was equally worthless but lasted 20 years and ended with the taliban in a better position than when they started. The American empire is an absolute embarrassment. Our only strength is in financial manipulation and wanton destruction
>>532722143>jewlacke is butthurtacke because israelacke lost against iranackecopeacke jewlacke.
>>532721693Because they are desperate to say that the towel heads "won" KEK
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>>532721930He didn't post anything yesterday. Loomer, shapiro, and levin are part of bibi's clique. Loomer and levin had meltdowns yesterday. Shapiro was silent.
>>532722328>jewmerican bases in the ME - gone>pedodollar - gone>sanctions on iran - liftedlooks like total jewmerican defeat.
>>532722282You can throw as many tantrums as you want. It will not change your genetics.
>>532716167No, Americans haven't been wiped out. The plague still lingers.
>>532716167That's not a list of things that actually were agreed to.
>>532722339Those "10 points" are fake you retard, the proposals haven't been officially released yet.
>>532722328Won is a very weak word for this outcome. America has capitulated and conceded the Middle East to Iran.
>>532718677It's annoying to think that I could spend likely 10-20 years talking to other retards here who will think America won this war.
>>532722580>the entire jew knesset is shitting itself right nowlooks like the 10 points are real.
>>532722549That's exactly it. Just wait and see. It's either that, or iran closes the strait again and the USD goes up in flames.
>>532716167>Everyone here is mad that the USA just intentionally made it so Israel and everyone else in the region has to handle their own shit It's on paper, fags. The USA and Iran have nothing to do with each other after this. You gous should be happy about it It would seem only the kikes are angry about this arrangement
>>532716233>you were wrong to attack, its a war crime!>you are now wrong to stop attacking, what embarrassing losers you are, haha!when you really exposed your hypocrisy and retardation blatantly this way, it demolishes your credibility. You don't appear to understand that.
>>532716167It isn't the agreement, brown cope monkey.
>>532722775Exceedingly dumb strawmanning. Disturbing to think there's someone who would actually lie to themselves like this to get a "win."
>>532722600>>532722741>>532722678You all have very vivid imaginations KEK
>>532722669>It's annoying to think that I could spend likely 10-20 years talking to other retards here who will think America won this war.I always have that thought when I'm here, too. And it applies to many topics. I'm open to every possible perspective and logic, and I believe in countless conspiracy theories. But when an obvious fact that everyone can see is simply denied, it drives me crazy.
>>532723029So trump still has some cards up his sleeve if Iran closes the Strait again?
>>532716756>>532717577Yes, it seems likely the Middle East will settle into a cold war between Iran and Israel, which is a slow motion loss for Israel since nobody likes that country and without big American cock behind it, nobody has reason to pretend to like them. The Arabian peninsula is going to wake the fuck up, smell the Turkish coffee and work out deals with Iran, instead of working out deals with the Epstein Empire, who completely abandoned them in their moment of need.Israel is in a moment where it would really need the good will of the region to survive, at least the impression that one sect of Muslims could team up with them against the other sect, but after the Gazan genocide I just don't think it can happen. Question is where all those Jews are going to run to. Let's hope it's Ukraine. All Ashkenazi to rump state Ukraine. Rename it Khazaria so everyone knows what's up.
>>532722610Arch-lier calls other liars.
>>532723029>knesset is in meltdown mode
>>532718185Deserves a (You), it's so true. We live in the gayest age of warfare that has ever existed yet. They'll have to invent a form of war that's about competitive prostate stimulation to make a form of war gayer than this.
>>532722669I wouldn't exactly call this a win for Iran. The US didn't lose thousands of soldiers, a shit ton of their leaders, and have their entire military and a lot of their infrastructure destroyed, and then be forced to mae concessions to end the bombings. All within one month. So all things considered, the US "won" this one.
>>532723380In my opinion, the whole thing is about who controls the Middle East in a multipolar world scenario. Iran had Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, and Gaza within its sphere of influence, while israel controlled Azerbaijan, the Gulf States, and Jordan before this all began. But israel's influence is based almost entirely on US-backed power. If the US withdraws from the Middle East, Israel will likely become an insignificant, isolated country, and Iran will become the regional power.
>>532716167>Japan was stronger in 1980 than in 1920 so therefore the US lost WW2ok lol>>532718834the 10 points in your post are not the same 10 as in the earlier post
>>532723840See you're exactly the type of idiot I was talking about. You're doing the exact same shit we've all heard about for 50 fucking years with Vietnam,>Yeah but we blew up more stuff and killed more people, here's the stats!like it's a fucking baseball game. No. If we accept the ten points, or even 9 of them since we can't get Israel back on the leash, we lost. End of story. But you're still going to be here regurgitating exactly this shit for decades and in the future you'll just complain that Trump could've won if only he hadn't cucked out at the last minute. You're not capable of anything else.
>>532720301Most importantly though, Trump was looking at real impeachment attempts.
First of all, I denounce both the Talmud and the Quran both. Also I denounce any allegiance to the USA or Europe and the Commonwealth.Now back on topic.Trump intends to decimate Iran>NOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT THAT'S A HECKING GENOCIDERINO!!!!!11!one!eleven11Trump agreed to two more weeks, which the Pakistanis BEGGED for on behalf of the Iranians>"TRUMP BTFO"Trump says the the 10 point deal is a "basis for negotiations">TRUMP ACCEPTED THE DEAL WHOLLY AND IRAN WONIf you want to continue acting like this, you're free to do so. But you should know the risk of Trump being able to takesie backsie this anytime and just going through with what he intended to do in the first place is real. A gesture can be taken away at any time, and any post carries a risk of being taken up by the MSM to push the "Iran won" narrative, which will put you back at "Trump intends to decimate Iran" really quickly if he takes it the wrong way. If he did it before, what makes you think he won't do it again at the slightest thing that makes him look bad?As someone who identifies and manages risk, I felt obligated to tell you that you probably shouldn't do this, unless your objective is especially to spread the narrative and cause Trump to go back on his word on purpose.Offtopic but also connected, I'd also like to ask Muslims one thing, because I also observe this behavior here in Japan. Maybe you can enlighten me as it may have some religious or cultural origin and there are surely Muslims ITT. Why is it that when people make a gesture or gift to Muslims, they act like they were entitled to it all along and demand more? In contrast, Japanese people are wired culturally to "give back" when receiving a gesture or gift. I have never received anything back from a Muslim, ever. Does it have to do with me being Kafir? Christians often reciprocate even though I'm not religious. I have yet to meet a Jew here in Japan, so I don't know whether they reciprocate at all. (inb4 wallet gone)
>>532723949What kind of argument is that? The axis powers surrendered unconditionally, were occupied, and were stripped of all rights by the UN Enemy State Clauses. What leverage do you have over Iran?
>>532724170Thanks Donquavious, back to your post now.
>>532724118>Most importantly though, Trump was looking at real impeachment attempts.If not even death threats from Wall Street.
>>532724388Very true. Honestly this is pure desperation on his part. My guess is that we're going to see a metric ton of red meat being thrown at white America (deportations, mass arrests for Somalis fraud, etc)
>>532716400You're retarded. The only thing that's been agreed to is a ceasefire for an open Hormussy. Nothing else. They capitulated because they didn't want to get bombed off the map last night.
>>532724499>My guess is that we're going to see a metric ton of red meat being thrown at white America (deportations, mass arrests for Somalis fraud, etc)Definitely. If not even cuba, as another anon mentioned in the thread. The show must go on.>>532724590Why didn't they fall for his first ten threats?
It was never about Israel or Iran. It's actually 5d chess and the targets were the City of London and lloyds shipping register.
>>532724816>If not even cuba, as another anon mentioned in the thread.I personally doubt it, but hey all bets are off with Zion Don. I'd have bet $10 grand that he wouldn't attack Iran in 2024.
>>532724243Funny you say this. I have been approached by the US military before because they got wind of what I do for a living.But they told me I'd have to renounce my current citizenship, become an American and swear allegiance, amongst some other stuff. Crazy how that works, huh.
Both sides "cucked".Trump knows he's fucked if the strait stays closed for too long. So he was eager for a cease fire.Iran knows they're fucked if they don't negotiate. So they were eager for negotiations. After all, they were already negotiating before Trump sperged out. This is currently a 50/50. That's why we see both sides trying to spin this as a win in their favor.
>>532725162>they were already negotiating before Trump sperged outHow did you come to that conclusion? Iran actually told the countries that wanted to mediate that they didn't want any further attempts at negotiation. This paki seems to have been the only one both sides respected enough to resume negotiations.
>>532724098You're comparing apples to oranges. Just because you desperately need this to be a loss for America, it's clearly not, and this is nothing like Vietnam. Your post actually highlights how this is a clear victory for America. They accomplished what they got done with minimal casualties and Iran bent the knee in a month. Not 14 years of ground fighting, a draft, and 200,000 casualties like Vietnam. I know it hurts you, but you have to accept that America won this engagement handily.
>>532725635>bent the kneeName one thing that is better for america after the conflict than before. Materially or strategically.
>>532725635Migger cope is delicious
>>532716167Looks like Israel defeat.
>>532716167Nothing of that will remain on the table or they will get assraped again.
>>532726086*Everything of that will remain on the table or they close the strait again and kill the USD.
>>532725830>Name one thing that is better for america after the conflict than before. Materially or strategically.>The Iranian Navy has been critically downgraded>The Iranian Air Force has been critically downgraded>The entirety of the Iranian leadership class is dead, including the Supreme Leader of decades>Iranian nuclear sites have been reduced to rubbleNow tell me what is better for Iran after the conflict, materially or strategically?
>>532716167IRGC wish list distributed for domestic media. They will get none of that. Resistards are incorrigible if they think we'll agree to anything like that.
>>532725830More dead shitskins. More regional control and the new acceptance the US can just show up and fuck up a country on a whim. Lots of dead Iranian leaders. So strategically, a lot. It shows we can literally bomb an Islamic fundamentalist country into submission in a month. Materially, US oil companies are making a lot of $ from this and it has weakened most of the rest of the world materially with little direct negative effect on things in America. Your zero sum argument strategy never works out the way you want it to.
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>>532725849>reality is cope!!! m-m-migger! Silence, jam boy.
>>532726554Keep it coming, I literally can't get enough. ZOG has been dealt a mortal blow.
>>532726651Lol delusional cope.
>>532726337The release of the frozen assets and the lifting of the sanctions, followed by oil sales, alone will bring them around 200$ billion on the first day. The tariffs for the Strait will be around 25% of their GDP. But that doesn't matter here, since they defended their homeland against an aggressor, so the question of what they gained from fighting doesn't arise.So you destroyed some equipment. Which turned out to be unnecessary anyway, since rockets and drones are the new kings.But even if they still need or want it, they will probably be able to buy nice toys in china with their new 200 billion dollars.
>>532726517>The world saves in dollars in large part because it pays in dollars. The dollar's dominance in cross-border trade is arguably built on the petrodollar: globally traded oil is priced and invoiced in USD. This arrangement can be traced to a deal struck in 1974 where Saudi Arabia agreed to price oil in USD and invest surpluses in USD assets, in exchange for US security guarantees. Because oil is a core input to global manufacturing and transport, there is a natural incentive for global value chains to dollarize, and global surpluses to accumulate in USD.So you want to be a oil nation like nigeria or venezuela?>More regional control By losing all local bases and radars? I really don't know why I keep starting discussions with people who can't tie their shoelaces without help.
>is this the worst defeat in US history?no. its not even close. jews conquered us without even firing a single shot. some christcuck just up and signed the country over to them. that will forever be the worst defeat in US history. cant cuck much harder than christ cuck.
>>532726901Take stock of the situation in a couple of weeks, the situation now is fluid and negotiations are on-going. You are taking the Iran 10-point proposal as a final agreement which it definitively isn't.>they defended their homeland against an aggressorThis will be the only metric you guys use and even this one might have a bad shelf life. The Iran before this and the Iran after this will be different countries.
>>532716167>the US completely capitulated to every single iranian demandI'm all for hating America but this will not happen and you're a retarded macaco.
>>532727278>The Iran before this and the Iran after this will be different countries.Even their pope is the same bloodline. Lmao, the cope.
>>532727393Wonder how long that will last.
>>532727129Lol we just took over venezuela. We are more like the CEOs and managers of these oil-producing nations. We'll just keep our own oil untapped for future use after we finish strip-mining the planet in exchange for our funny money. >By losing all local bases and radars?Yeah I haven't seen any verifiable source on that claim outside of shitskin muzzie cope and propaganda. We're the largest military in the world. If we did get some bases "destroyed' (likely just lightly damaged), we'll just rebuild and re-arm them. You third worlders have very stupid ideas of what America is. We're not your shanty town poor shitholes, Achmed.
>>532716167Yes they are the most absurd demands any nation has ever agreed towards as conditions of ending a war. Unless the other nation agreeing lost the war.The most absurd demands in history, surely there might be others, but those conditions are irrational.If a nation claimed they've won they would never agree to such absurd terms of cessation. The USA rolled over and licked Iran's asshole. Rolled over and cowered. Any deal, the worst deal, begging to ebd a war they started. Until they didn't get a single demand that they wanted. The straight, or enrichment. Or anything except for bullshit. Bullshit trying as stupidly to end something. Begging bowing in absurd irrationality. Rolled over and cowered licking Iran's butthole. No other explanation to that 10 point proposal. Bullshit. So why is it hanging out of the USA's mouth? Won shit. Point and laugh. Worst deal, ever.
>>532727592>shitskin muzzie cope
this is a fake ceasefire just like last yearamerica and israel will build up military strength and will try againkikes and epsteinites need to have their greater israel project
>>532727229This only shows the financial takeover. Politically, they took you over under roosevelt with his overlord rosenman. The New Deal was a jewish takeover of your government institutions.
>>532727701Last year, the Strait situation didn't exist. This is essentially an unconditional surrender. Trump would have agreed to significantly more than that. The USD was at stake, and he found no way to open or circumvent the Strait.
>>532727674Why are you licking Iranian asshole? Explain yourself. You were supposed to be kicking it. Instead read it. Iran's shit is hanging out of your mouth. Read it. You cannot deny you're licking Iran's asshole. Their shit, read it is hanging out of your mouth. No ass kicking there. Total Iranian butthole in your mouth.How can you deny it. Read it. You aren't convincing. Won, shit. It's dripping out your mouth. Enjoy it. You fucking dumbass.
>>532728010See>>532723840We certainly forced them to do something, now didn't we? They lost a lot in this exchange, including the illusion they are a strong power. Also reasserts the US can do whatever the fuck it wants. Sorry dude, Iran lost and will continue to lose. Keep seething and coping, Achmed.
>>532728207Why exactly are you even negotiating with them? Wouldn't an unconditional surrender have been better, given that they have no leverage whatsoever? Then you could have even installed your shah and introduced the gay rights that trump talked so much about.
>>532728207They forced you to lick their asshole. You didn't kick it. At all. Kicking an asshole means you impose demands. Insted of their shit. Read it. It's dripping out of your mouth. Look, read the topic and the Iranian terms of cessation. Iranian terms. Their bullshit is in your mouth. What are you trying savor? Won, shit. It's rolling off your tongue. Unremarkably. You fucking dumbass. Go on go home like another mutt.
>>532728379>>532728207airman?
>>532728379>>532728728>I ONLY BELIEVE WHAT I WANT TO BELIEVE AND WILL NEVER DEVIATE FROM THIS DESPITE ANY ARGUMENTS THAT PROVE ME OTHERWISEAlso, guy that keeps talking about licking assholes, you seem to be quite a homosexual. Keep coping and seething, shitskins. Please elucidate why you think thousands of dead iranians, their entire military destroyed, a lot of their leaders killed, and their infrastructure getting destroyed before them begging for negotiations and a ceasefire is a win for Iran? What delusional cope will this entail?
>>532716167>the US completely capitulated to every single iranian demand.No, we didn't, you retarded fucking faggot.
>>532729223Answer the question, airman.
>>532729308You did.
>>532716404Who has to pay? Practically none of my oil comes through the straight. What currency will they be paying in?
>>532729308regime status? strait status? you fled and they didn't
>>532729420>>532729476We haven't agreed to anything other than a 2-week ceasefire, you dumb fucking niggers.
>>532729457>Practically none of my oil comes through the straight.This would only be relevant if trump wanted to go fully communist and nationalize the US oil industry. But this was never about oil anyway. The USD was at stake.
>>532716167>>532729308whats the point of bombing shit if you have to pay reparations.Oh wait, you lost. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
>>532716167No.They lost their own civil war.
>>532729644>Maybe if I make shit up people will believe my lies!
>>532729562Because trump cannot admit his defeat to himself. He will not find a solution to the Straits problem in these two weeks, and then he will agree to everything. Wait and see.
>>532716167Shut up brownoidThe regime change was a resounding success
>>532716167That's what Trump agreed to in the ceasefire. Now he wants to violate it. Fine. Whatever. It doesn't matter what he does. The strait stays closed.
>>532716167It hasn't ended yet, retard. Goynald only did the two more weeks meme, there haven't been any peace settlements
>>532729751>Regime changeWhat was the old Ayatollah's name? And what's the new one's name?
>>532729457Genuinely, how are you this economically illiterate? Are you 12?
>>532730024>I can't answer this post truthfully because it doesn't fit my zero sum argument strategy so I'll just insult them while avoiding the questionSAD!
lmao Trump getting his shit pushed in by the Gayatollah
>>532730238Yeah, I mean most of his cabinet has been assassinated, key infrastructure destroyed, our entire military decimated, thousands of American soldiers dead...oh wait.
>>532730178Anwser the question, airman!>>532728379
>>532716167The US would have had better terms if they didn't start the war at all, heh, I guess it's all about enriching war mongers and Israel, epic fury
>>532730554>The US would have had better terms if they didn't start the war at allIran was much much stronger militarily before the war.
>>532716404>2 weeks also lets iran fortify the islandslollmao
>>532730646Answer the question, airman!>>532728379
>>532724816That is because Iran need the war to end. You idiots think stronk Iran and they can exist without any trade, no shipping, no air travel, no transportation of any kind in or out of the country. Iran putting on bravado on social media and via their state TV is very different than in private where their economy is in tatters, there water supply (which was already decimated) is on the brink and they can't sell any oil.
>>532730646iran completely pushed in the shit of americathey found out how to burn the paper tiger
>>532717257This alone makes me think that this whole thing was fake and gay
>>532730438What question? Why are you calling me airman?
>>532730920iran was already sanctioned to hell before the warwhat makes you think they weren't prepared for this moment 20 years ago MLAO
>>532730646What were they going to use their military for? Do a ground invasion of Israel? Their military is irrelevant. All that matters strategically is whether they can get a nuke.
>>532730922Lol see>>532730412Iran cucked and capitulated because we literally were about to destroy their power plants. But keep coping, Achmed.
>>532716167no because the war isn't over yet. the american humiliation ritual will continue
>>532731040>iran cucked>they still control the strait
>>532731173Yeah we'll see about that. They certainly don't have a military anymore to enforce that :)
>>532731532if they don't have a military why don't the ships just cross the strait anon?
>>532731678Lol keep seething. Maybe they will, nigger. You don't know shit. Besides, I'm American: the strait does not affect our gas flow. If lazy Asia and cucked Europe isn't going to do anything to fix this, that's quite literally their problem :)
>>532731927>Asia and cucked Europe isn't going to do anything to fix thisyeah they'll make a deal with iranin yuan LOL
>>532730992>Their military is irrelevant.Sure nothing matters.
>>532718677Or uneducated retards will think that because we killed some of their leadership that means we won.
>>532732005If they want to be Iran's bitch, they certainly could. Or go beat the shit out of them lile we just did. Again, not America's problem. We did this to teach Iran a lesson about killing 30,000 of their protesters. The Iranian people were supposed to rise up and take control of their country. They didn't. So we killed thousands of their soldiers, a bunch of their leaders, destroyed their military, and fucked up their infrastructure. If anything, itales it funnier this only really fucks Europe and Asia. If you retards want to be economic slaves to chinks and shitskin muzzies, that's your business. This was worth it just for the dead shitskin muzzies and lulz in my eyes.
>>532732279>If you retards want to be economic slaves to chinks and shitskin muzziesliterally infinitely better than being a slave to the zionist states of muttmericatrump destroyed everything americans built since WW2 in 1 year LMAO
>>532731927>Besides, I'm American: the strait does not affect our gas flow.All American gas and oil is on the international market. Whatever price increases are felt globally will be felt here too, especially here since we're more oil-dependent (thanks to car infrastructure) than most other places.What's Trump going to do to prevent that, price controls? Is he going to nationalize the industries? What will free market boomer MAGA voters think if Trump copies the Mamdani playbook?
Man, third worlders really live in an alternate dimension huh?
>>532730968Why exactly are you even negotiating with them? Wouldn't an unconditional surrender have been better, given that they have no leverage whatsoever? Then you could have even installed your shah and introduced the gay rights that trump talked so much about.Here it is again, especially for you, airman basic sanchez.
>>532724098>>Yeah but we blew up more stuff and killed more people, here's the stats!Except that's not all that was accomplished. They killed their way down the leadership until they found controllable people who will feign resistance to prevent a military coup and removing the unacceptable wild card scenario. Same exact shit as Venezuela. You people are fucking morons
>>532716167surely this can't be the listthis means Iran gets everything, USA gets nothing
>>532732378I'm pretty sure trump already ordered to release gasoline with a higher percentage of ethanol into the market many weeks ago LMAO
>>532732448>trump has been negotiating with cardboard cutouts of people with no real powerwe know
>>532716756There's exactly a zero percent chance that this peace proposal would be accepted. It's basically just Iran's wishlist. They'll be lucky if they get even 2 or 3 things on it.
>>532732489>surely this can't be the listIt's not. It was an "I posted first and absurd! Like share subscribe!" moderate-who "osint" account in faggotmonetization twitter
>>532732489That's what unconditional surrender looks like.
>>532732594what's america gonna do then?cry harder to europe to send their warships LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
>>532732570Your next after cuba, paco. Pack your fucking bags and head to china if you want to ride their dick so hard
>>532732707nigger please you couldn't defeat a bunch of goat fuckers with RC toys for the 3rd time this century
>>532732663There's nothing you can do about their denial of reality. Just wait until trump confirms these conditions in two weeks and they try to explain why this is a victory for America.
>>532732795If you say it enough maybe it'll become true. How many more weeks until Iran is a nuclear world power?
You lost the war migger
>>532732663Probably resume bombing Iran and widen the targets to more civilian infrastructure until they feel enough pain to concede to US demands. After all, we haven't really sustained much in way of losses.This board is filled with imbeciles who fundamentally don't understand warfare, though, so it doesn't surprise me they think the losing country trying desperately to negotiate for an ideal peace is a sign of strength. The US has the option to simply keep bombing Iran. The strain of the war is not very great on us. It's more that the rest of the world is starting to feel the pain from stopped shipments through the gulf, and is putting diplomatic pressure on the US to resolve things.
>>532732374Lol your cope is retarded. Of course a foreigner that knows nothing about America or what conditions are like in-country just listen to their state-sponsored second world news outlets says retarded cope like this. You realize you are a permenant outsider to The Good Life, right? No white woman will ever lust after you, no white man will ever respect you, and you will live and die in lesser conditions surrounded by similar brown trash such as yourself. Also the rest of the world is gucked, as you retards letnus strip mine you all for resources while we kept our vast natural resources pristine and untouched. Gonna be great when we pull up the ladder and the rest of the world rips itself apart as we live comfy cozy over here protected on all sides by oceans. Must suck to suck.
>>532732905how many more weeks until we pay for "the wall" nigger?>>532732919why would you give them time to rebuild then niggerliterally none of what you say makes any sense
>>532732960>No white woman will ever lust after you, no white man will ever respect youcan you tell me what's so great about being white these days?
>>532732919There's really no way you guys aren't being paid for statements like that. As if anyone can live in this world and not have noticed the panic in the markets. How do you think your nation finances itself? Through its industry? No, wait, please don't answer that, it's just another Pandora box.
>>532733042>why would you give them time to rebuild then niggerBecause it's a ceasefire for negotiations. This is what I mean about you people being so dumb as to not even understand basic warfare conventions. You call a ceasefire to negotiate. This does not mean the war is over, it means some terms are going to be delivered, and the other party is interested in hearing what they are, on the off chance it might lead to a speedier, less violent conclusion to the conflict. But the presented terms were, predictably, not realistic at all, so the US will naturally reject them unilaterally, and likely resume hostilities.The few weeks Iran buys with this ceasefire won't really matter, it's not enough time to meaningfully fortify anything considering the next slate of stated targets are infrastructure that they cannot hide underground for one reason or another and which will cripple Iran's civilian economy as well as its MIC if they go through with it.
>>532733042>why would you give them time to rebuild then niggerKek. I've been trying to ask them all along why they didn't continue until unconditional surrender if Iran had no leverage. Then they could have installed the shah and gay rights. But somehow that question scares them away.
>>532733307you don't agree to a ceasefire when the other part has a chance to rebuild DUMBASSamerica got anally raped and they are making up a story for their humiliating defeat
>>532733203lol, the market panics every time Trump makes a tweet. Markets always fluctuate, you cry about nothing. You simultaneously pay too much attention to the stock market and yet don't actually understand anything about it or what it means.America's economy isn't really impacted all that much by this war, whatever your propaganda has been telling you. Gas is more expensive, but gas also got expensive a couple years ago due to inflation, and before that due to Covid fucking up logistics, and before that due to conflict in the region (again), and before that... etc. They are constantly using corrective measures to control the price of gas. That's sort of what OPEC is about. Not that you'd understand anything about that, dunno why I bother to try to explain to y ou.
>>532732606yes the point that says >Nobody will touch our hezballahs is particularly absurd
>>532733492>The world saves in dollars in large part because it pays in dollars. The dollar's dominance in cross-border trade is arguably built on the petrodollar: globally traded oil is priced and invoiced in USD. This arrangement can be traced to a deal struck in 1974 where Saudi Arabia agreed to price oil in USD and invest surpluses in USD assets, in exchange for US security guarantees. Because oil is a core input to global manufacturing and transport, there is a natural incentive for global value chains to dollarize, and global surpluses to accumulate in USD.You either have the logic skills of a small child, or you're being paid for that. There's no other option.
reminder whatever the orange nigger says iran has no reason to ever reduce their military capability now that they proved they can fight against americaanyone telling that they are going to stop militarizing themselves is LYING
>>532733400>you don't agree to a ceasefire when the other part has a chance to rebuild DUMBASS??? Ceasefires are agreed to all the time between warring nations. A few weeks is not enough time to meaningfully rebuild anything that cannot simply be blown up again. If Iran would like to rebuild in the same exposed places that were previously targeted, they're welcome to. It saves intel gathering teams the effort of finding new coordinates to strike.>america got anally raped I really can't figure out how you figure this. We lost like... 15 soldiers. A few hundred wounded from debris. Some radars, some helicopters. If these are considered "anally raped" then Iran is a smoldering pile of ash, since their losses far eclipse whatever America has sustained. The fact is, as as bad as Iran's losses are, they're not enough to take the fight out of them, yet. And the US's "losses" barely even register as such.
>>532716167Even if all of those points don't come true, it's such a bad look that the US went into the war with the strait open and Iran being lame ducks to now the strait being closed with Iran fully in control of it and demanding a $2million toll to whoever passes.
>the ten commandmentslol, obviously fake and gay
>>532733742>we aren't losing>EUROPE PLEASE HELP US OR ELSE!!!!
>>532729223You have a very shitty Iranian mouth. Read it. Licking Iran's asshole. A mouth full of it, begging Iran. Please stop the bullshit, please do anything. Until you rolled over and have a very shitty mouth full of Iran's bullshit.Your stupid greed. All America has shown to the World. It's why they won. They held it over you. You were powerless because of it. The oil wahaaa don't touch the oil. Wahaaa. Powerless. Ineffectual. Greedy. Stupid. Until you're licking Iran's ass and have mouthfuls of their bullshit.Their terms. You simply declared victory. You won, shit. Read it. The worst deal in all of history. Wahaaa not the oil. Do anything. Make it stop. Licked Iran's ass. Mouthful of their bullshit.You stupid Mutt. Powerless
>>532733092We're the best-looking race, for starters. Some of the tallest. Our women are gorgeous and don't look like men, unlike niggers and middle eastern women. We have been at the forefront of all advancements in history for millennia. Most of the art, music,books, and films worth a damn were made by white people. We are still the most desirable race to every other race on the planet. I could go on hut I have already thoroughly humiliated you by pointing osut how inferior all other races are, past, present, and future, to whites.
>>532733745They have set Iran on its path to becoming a future world power. MIGA. Praise be to Allah. Trump had been saying so all along.
>>532716400>narrative craftingExposed.
>>532733842Trump pointing out NATO (you know, the alliance they put together with America and come running to America for help aways) should, you know, help us. Especially since all of this impacts them more than us. But I guess Europe wants to be Iran's bitch slaves instead. Whatever, not my monkeys, not my circus.
>>532734129>We're the best-looking race, for startersummm nope?>>532734129>Our women are gorgeous and don't look like menamerican women are like 60% obese LMAO>>532734129>We have been at the forefront of all advancements in history for millennia.name your biggest tech achievement this century>>532734129>We are still the most desirable race to every other race on the planet.maybe to pajeets and niggers LOL
>>532734333nato is a defensive allianceand maybe you should've considered telling them BEFORE you started a war for isreal and not only after you started LOSING
>>532734333We don't need their help
>>532734118>no argument, just womanly emotionsI accept your concession. Calm down, homosexual Achmed. Try not to rape today. Don't you have to go pray to your phoney-baloney god?
>>532734416ok so why isn't the strait open yet?
>>532733842Again: what losses have the US incurred, and how are Iran's not worse in whatever category you're using to measure? And if you think the US actually asked for help, just what would weak, ineffectual European military actually be able to accomplish? Most of their best tech is American, and often older generation than what we're already using. Trump just wants to create an international consensus, essentially a repeat of the Iraq invasion in 2003, when the US formed a coalition it didn't really need to destroy Saddam's military. The US did 99% of the work, the coalition was just for international politics. Trump isn't very good at international politics. He demands and bullies as his primary negotiating tactics. And of course, pinheads like you think asking allies to participate in a war is a sign of weakness. Even though the US has already demonstrated it doesn't need help.
>>532734348Lol who's that ugly moon-faced woman? That's the example you came up with? Looks like a faggot. Anyway, keep believing your state propaganda in your shithole country filled with mannish looking women.
>>532734427Answer the question, airman basic sanchez.
>>532734477>Again: what losses have the US incurredloss control over the hormuz strait NIGGER
>>532734408>LOSINGYou keep using that word. Because I saw one side get its shit completely pushed in, and it sure wasn't America. It looked like the losing side.
>>532734511that's who your people voted as the most handsome man in the world LOL
>>532734476Not our problem. If europe wants to be Iran's bitch, that's on them. Doesn't effect America. Why should we do all the fighting for something that doesn't negatively effect us?
>>532734578remind me again which side got an aircraft carrier so damaged it won't be operational for years?
>>532734601Who are "my people"? A bunch of faggots on some faggot site? You realize that doesn't speak for everybody, right 12 year old Achmed? First day online? I for one have no clue who that faggot is.
>>532734544The strait of Hormuz isn't a US territory, was never under US control. The US only sends ships to it when there is a threat to civilian shipping through it, because the US takes it upon itself to police the world's oceans and trade lanes. The US doesn't actually WANT to be present in the Strait of Hormuz at all. It's on the other side of the world and extended naval deployments are expensive. It's the constant threat from enemies like Iran and their Houthi proxies that forced the hand of the US to intervene there in the first place. So this is the best you could come up with? That because the US doesn't completely control a shipping lane that they never controlled in the first place, and merely wanted to protect, they've "lost"?Re-opening the Strait is one of the primary points for engaging in this stupid conflict so there's pretty much no way you can say the war is over as long as Iran is attempting to throttle trade through it. The US isn't going to leave until Iran's ability to threaten the strait is neutralized, one way or another.
>>532734648Remind me which side lost its entire military, had thousands of soldiers killed, tiers of their leaders assassinated, and a lot of their infrastructure destroyed? Thar'a gonna take a lot more to recover from than one damaged ship, Achmed. I know you want it to be one way, but it's the other way. Iran lost decisively. No more (You)s for you anymore, I keep reiterating the same basic facts and you keep ignoring them because you can't accept the reality Iran got its shit pushed in and America barely suffered a scratched. Keep endlessly coping and seething, though, it amuses me.
>>532734427Your emotions. You're in a quagmire called Iran's ass. You were desperate to get out of it at any cost. Desperate like a two dollar whore. What else would call an epic rimjob? It didn't penetrate. The straight is still closed there you are licking away at it. You licked ass. Kicked. No. Until they've dictated those terms. Mouthful of bullshit.
>>532716167The US being defeated is pretty common, but this ranks up there just from the sheer detachment from reality that the modern US represents. The Americans really bit off more than they can jew this time.
>>532734648lol which carrier is this? The Gerald Ford, which had the fire, is slated to return to service next year. The damage didn't even damage the vessel's seaworthiness, it simply ruined lodgings for a chunk of the crew, which makes it less than ideal for extended service that carriers typically deploy for. They simply have to clean out and renovate the crew's beds and mess area and it will be back in service. And this wasn't even damage Iran inflicted, but the result of a mutiny, since the Gerald Ford had been deployed far longer than originally intended and the crew were apparently upset about it.
>>532716167>steonger is when almost all of your leadership is wiped out, your energy infrastructure is destroyed, your entire military capability save for dwindling missles are eviserated, and all while doing approximately zero damage to the invading nation on the other side of the planet, save for making gas slightly more expensive (in a nation that is extremely wealthy)Seriously, whats with the shills trying to spin this as some triumphant victory for Iran? They got BTFO. All they proved was that they are stubborn zealots, which we already knew.And this is coming from someone who thinks we shouldnt have helped Isreal at all, and wished we had snuck in some missles with Iran's to remove their leadership so we could be rid of them. But to sit there and act like Iran won when they get utterly destroyed? Really? Is it all wishful thinking from 3rd worlders? Like, you realize this is less than 1% of America's war potential, right? That the annual military budget alone is like 80 times that of which we used on Iran, not even getting to the fact that it was all stockpiled shit weve had for ages. Or that, had America wanted, they could have just laid seige to Iran and slowly starved the entire leadership out in a matter of months, right?The cope is unreal.
>>532735275I know you are too stupid to comprehend anything beyond your next Big Mac but 100% of your loses being from friendly fire and mutiny, if it were even true, doesn't bode well for your future as a country.
>>532722339>acceptance of the general framework of Iran's 10-point proposal as a basis for negotiations
We now know that millennials have higher IQs than all generations before and after them.Given the logical deficits of miggers, I simply cannot imagine that any of them come from this generation.So, do millennial miggers actually exist?
>>532723380> Rename it Khazaria so everyone knows what's up.> Khazaria:: Suddenly realizing where V Gundam's town of Kasarelia situated in far Eastern Europe got its name from. ::Motherfucking Tomino!
>>532721930Shapiro's take thus far is dead silence - aka the deepest of seethe.
honestly I just come here for these cope threads these days. it is at least entertaining to see whatever *insert shithole VPN source* is trying to promote where they can which is pretty much only here.
>>532735478We have been in a social civil war, largely engineered by foreign agents, for over a decade. Because we are so utterly dominant, that the only course of action from other powers is to have us try and destroy ourselves. You fags have been trying for ages, yet the gap hasnt shrunk. Russia is being held off by decades old American military tech while America simultaneously fucked up two other nations, with no sort of damage to the home state. Who else is there to stand up to us? China? They fall apart once per century, and all it would take to stop them them is one good strike to their dam, which would instantly cripple them. Which is why they wont even invade Taiwan despite it being on its doorstep. Is there anyone else that could even hope to muster an offensive and attack the USA homefront? Anyone at all? Nah. So again, they try to destroy us from the inside. We crippled two nations while holding off the 3rd largest military power in the world while half the fucking USA bickered and raged at each other over it. Go ahead, try and make the mistake of actually dropping some bombs over here. Kick that hornets nest, see what a united USA could do
>>532716233>>532716167>>532716372>Executes the ayatolla and exterminates his entire bloodlines>Destroys your navy, total air superiority>Able to wipe out bridges and power plants whenever they want>Engaging in diplomacy to avoid needless loss of life.This is losing according to Trump Derangement sufferers.
>>532735333Literally everyone outside america sees this as a major victory for Iran. Whitehouse literally admitted to pretty much accepting Iranian demands, and the US lets them bomb the fuck out of Israel for a whole day without doing anything. Seems like a win to me. What did the US achieve? Kill a 90 year old dude and just hardened and radicalized the Iranian population even more? LOL. Literally all your talking points are like Russian talking points. I thought they were holding back in Ukraine too. This was 100% of the USA air power. They literally moved shit from all over the world to take part in this operation. We know air wont work to cause regime change, so the only escalation choices the US has now is an invasion that would take half a million men, or a nuke. I think you are just a jew. If not, It's scary how out of touch you are.
>>532735478Again: which losses are these? Be specific, please. You all keep using these vague, ominous statements, but I have yet to have a single actual iota of data presented. What losses are you talking about?
>>532736422>Literally everyone outside america sees this as a major victory for Iran. Just because you say something doesn't make it true, Achmed.
>>532736796Answer the question, airman basic.
>>532716233Too bad Trump already said this fake 10 point document isn’t what the US agreed to.
>>532736422>This was 100% of the USA air powerFucking lmao, not even you are stupid enough to believe this.What did USA accomplish? Obliterating Iran, confirming that they were making nukes, destroying them so utterly that they cant even hope of becoming an emerging power at the world stage. What did it cost us? A bunch of stockpiled missles we had laying around, and a few planes. Oh, and a month where we had to pay extra for gas. Again, had America wanted to, what exactly would stop them from laying seige to Iran and suffocating them? Could anyone stop us? No lol. Zealotry and stubborness isnt going to magically undo the catastrophic damage to their infrastructure.
>>532736995You lost.
>>532736904Too bad that 95% of his posts are lies. Either he agrees to the settlement or the Strait closes again. He has two weeks for his denial phase.
>>532716733>stronger is when several iterations of your leadership get killed and you lose 3/4 of your energy infrastructureThe leadership doesn't seem to matter much, does it? Ultimately, what the fuck do we even care whether it's Hasbullah Bapmidaj or Khamenei if it's still the same theocratic regime? I'm not sure you guys think these things through all the way. Yes, we've hurt Iran. Yes, its civilians will suffer for it. Yes, many of them -- probably the sad fucks who, in their isolation, dared to believe in a version of America long-dead -- will become disillusioned with the US. But the regime still has the ability to create nukes. With the strait closed, and with the regime extracting taxes on passage, they'll have new revenue. It doesn't seem like we did much at all except fuck over any hope for a stable, partner Iran.
Im a little jealous of iran, depopulation plus free money and jobs means theyre good to go for a long time, i wish someone blew up all my neighbors and paid me to rebuild...
>>532716756You're right on all counts except one: oil being bought in yuan is a catastrophe for the US in the medium to long run.
>>532737079What did we lose? A few planes and a month's worth of paying extra for gas. Iran lost their entire military, airforce, and navy. They lost massive swaths of infrastructure. They lost the ability to build nukes. They lost the majority of their leadership. How are they going to recover to anywhere near what they were?Iran couldnt even do their job right and take out isreal leadership. That was where we actually lost, I wanted to see ninny-yahoo dead.
>>532737393See>>532737356
>>532737356Lol enjoy being China's slave. They don't seem evil at all... Meanwhile we have America. Eurasia is doomed. Enjoy WWIII! We'll be having a party in the USA!
>>532736904He is blustering about constantly, i have more faith in the Iranian government tweets.
>>532737393In the grand scheme of things Israel is the big loser, because Iran will get its nukes.China is the big winner because the petroyuan is here to stay.
>>532737429You know that we literally have massive stockpiles of the shit, right? And that we can quite literally make it synthetically, right? The "catastrophy" will be gas costing a bit more. Which by the way, a president could just force a cap on the oil companies if he wanted to. Unfortunately Orange Retard is bought out by them just like every other president
>>532737356>You're right on all counts except one: oil being bought in yuan is a catastrophe for the US in the medium to long run.Which is the only important point. If the world stops paying and investing in USD, the US will only be able to afford a budget on par with Brazil. And that's only assuming there isn't a complete collapse. Why doesn't anyone understand how much the US is leeching off the rest of the world?
We basically replicated the baby boom for iran
>>532736796Why are you defending a government that hates you? (Assuming you're white. If not, don't talk to me.)
>>532737632The dollar was so strong because you needed it to buy oil, and because the US military was believed to be invincible.Now the US military is way less scary and you don't need USD anymore for oil.This war has greatly weakened the US position as top dog.
>>532737598>muh chinaLiterally cant do anything to us without destroying their own economy. They will likely collapse anyway in the next few decades since they are incapable of going more than 100 years without fracturing the government
>>532737637>Why doesn't anyone understand how much the US is leeching off the rest of the world?Why Americans don't understand this is the better question. It's like they think everything we have is some kind of implicit texture of the American Experience, or something... ostensibly because, like, America strong!!! and super duper based!!! or whatever...
>>532737832Truth>The world saves in dollars in large part because it pays in dollars. The dollar's dominance in cross-border trade is arguably built on the petrodollar: globally traded oil is priced and invoiced in USD. This arrangement can be traced to a deal struck in 1974 where Saudi Arabia agreed to price oil in USD and invest surpluses in USD assets, in exchange for US security guarantees. Because oil is a core input to global manufacturing and transport, there is a natural incentive for global value chains to dollarize, and global surpluses to accumulate in USD.
>>532716167A worse defeat would be a protracted war with millions of dead Iranians and 100,000s of dead Americans and another ruined and unstable 'democracy' in the Middle East.
>>532737832>Now the US military is way less scary The US military decimated two countries and is holding off the 3rd strongest military power practically by itself, and its lost a few planes for it. And the nation isnt united at all. China cant even take Taiwan because one strike to the dam cripples them. Who the fuck could stand up to USA, much less a united USA that isnt spread all over the world and concentrated on any would-be upstart?
>>532738062Spin it any way you want to, everybody saw trump tweet like an hysteric bitch about the strait of Hormuz.That did not look good.
>>532737657Whiter than you, Achmed. Funny for someone from England to say that when their own government imported millions of third-world shitskin muzzies they allow to run rampant on the native population. Someone's government hates them, all right.
>>532737851At times I really thought you would understand and reject this. That's why I also perceived your mercantilist ambitions as positive. Or even your plans to withdraw from Europe. But both of those turned out to be nothing more than lies. Back then I really thought you could downsize without collapsing.
>>532737851Because it is. American culture has become so normalized that half you fags think we dont have any because its just the global norm now.As for the other point>Why doesn't anyone understand how much the US is leeching off the rest of the world?We know. Its literally the reason why nobody can do anything to us, not directly. Greece going bankrupt in 2008 pitched the entire world into an economic recession. Greece. Imagine the fall out if America declared bankruptcy. China's economy collapses instantly, and everyone else follows suit.So we will keep "burrowing" and wracking up debt and you will continue to not demand we pay up because you literally cant afford to.
i see eglin is working overtime for damage control lol
>>532716756Is that the legacy of Trump now? Slightly expanded ICE, deported less illegals than Obama, wasted money on a pointless war in the middle east and set the petro dollar up to collapse like a random shitcoin?
>>532738246>s-spin it... T-Trump was being retarded on twitter...You wont adress any point because you know Im right. Name another country that can decimate two countries and hold off Russia single handedly while only losing a few planes. And intimidating the second biggest military power into not taking a country lkterally on its doostep. Name one.You cant. And you cant name anyone that could actually stand up to us. The USA is spread the fuck out and using a fraction of its military potential. You cant hope to stand up to that, and you think anyone could stop a concentrated USA using all of its strength? Lmao.
>>532738467Nah, Orange Retard is a retard. That doesnt take away from the fact that the USA is utterly dominant in military strength. Literally none of you have refuted anything said on that because the evidence is overwhelming.
>>532730920>without any trade, no shippingThey have kept receiving trade through their land borders and through the private, landlocked ocean they share only with friendly countries.>no air travelNot vital for a nation.>no transportation of any kind in or out of the countryTransportation never ceased.>water supplyIran gets only 2% of its drinking water from desalination plants.>they can't sell any oilThey sold more oil and at a higher price during the war than before.
>>532738715>>532738845Your downfall will not be brought by force. It will be a classic case of overextension.
>>532738908What would stop America from setting up a seige and starving them? Everyone thought that orange retard would nuke them, but simply sitting there and not allowing anything into the nation would strangle them in months. Its such a simple escalation.
>>532738715> fear us please
>>532739251There's blood in the water. Several countries have smelled it. I wonder how many construction sites the US can handle simultaneously.
>>532739137>setting up a seigeyour aircraft carriers cant get within 1000 miles of iran without fear of getting bombed. youre not sieging anything
>>532716167>Is this the worst defeat in US history?Anon that's like asking is this the juiciest orange or is that the fluffiest cloud, there's just so many of them. Yet no matter how many or how frequent, you can always be ensured there's plenty more to come
>>532739103I agree that we should fuck off from Isreal and stop being world police. But if youre banking on over extension, I am telling you that you simply arent close. Youd need a world war against America for that. We are insurmountably ahead of any one nation. Again, we are arguing if Iran losing most of its infrestructure, leadership, and military capability is still a "win" because they didnt give unconditional surrender to an invading force that they cant actually even strike directly. If any other nation did half of what America did, it would be indisputably considered a win. America ia so dominant that anything less than 100% is considered "bad"They know this too, which is why the name of the game the last decade is try try to have us destroy ourselves via a civilwar. Yet despite that social civil war, we are eviserating anything we put our military against.The average american barely even talks about Iran. Venezuela was a blip. Russia and ukraine os practically forgotten. We are so far ahead that we barely register our own military campaigns because its a foregone conclusion
>>532738414> america numba wan That's old news. All the rich kids doing MBAs are doing college exchanges in Beijing now, and have been for a while.Now the yuan is oil currency and China didn't even have to fight for it.If the US failed to stop Iran from getting nukes it will 100% fail to stop china from getting Taiwan.Once that's done I'll sell all the S&P500 I own and invest and Chinese ETF because if everything I buy is made by them I might as well put my savings there too.
>>532722775yeah you were wrong in attacking. nobody said you were wrong for retreating, theyre just laughing at you that you were the attackers and had to run away. any retard would understnad that, meaning youre dumber than a retard
>>532716733>Winning is when you fail in every single mission goal, get shown up for a bunch of faggots who worship an orange psychopath and now have to pay a toll no one did a month ago while your 'greatest ally' is still getting its shit rocked daily
>>532736399youre a bloodthristy kike ho thinks destroying things and killing people = winning a war. america didnt achieve any of its objective, and iran achieved all of its objective + now they get a steady flow of money from hormuz. you completely lost. not only the war, but your entire credibility as 1. a force to be reckonned with 2. a reliable ally.
>>532739793>collegesLiterally scams lol>If the US failed to stop Iran from getting nukes it will 100% fail to stop china from getting Taiwan.It didnt, and China wont do anything like they have been because they know that one fucking airstrike to the dam cripples them. You keep making shit up and not adressing the simple fact that no single nation can stand up to the USA militarily. Our economy is so entrenched with everyone that us declaring bankrupcy would callapse the global economy over night. Your biggest hope is China, whos economy is reliant on America, is going to have massive population issues in the next few decades, and who demonstrateably can NOT stay together for longer than a century
>>532739805>we had toWe wanted to. Again, nobody here can seem to answer this: If we wanted the nation dead, what would stop us from laying seige and starving them? Not even getting our nukes involved, how would Iran stop this? It would only take a few months at most.
>>532739793The yuan was indeed more expensive at one time, but the chinese government has been working to devalue it ever since. They don't seem to be succeeding anymore, though. It appears someone is exchanging their dollars for yuan.
>>532740235You'll just die of copium overdose, so long mutts, you won't be missed
>>532739807>failing is when you decimate the nation to the point that they can never become an emerging power>failing is when other people (not America) has to pay a toll>failing is having Isreal get fuckedAll of those seem to be net positives to me
>>532740584Can you adress literally any point without running like a pussy? Name a nation that could stand up to a divided USA, much less a united one. You cant. Which is why you keep going "w-well youre gonna lose!!!", because all you have is wishful thinking
