It’s over. Get fucked yuropoors!
>>532752604Oh no!Anyway...
>>532752604>It’s over.for whom
>>532752604Russia can't do shit and can't be threat, there is no reason to this alliance exist
>>532752722found the angry romanian
>>532752682>€325 billion healthcare>€57.1 billion defense>>532752698>€57.8 billion healthcare> €4.86 billion defenseyeah. i'm sure you yurosisters have nothing to worry about.lmao
>>532752698If true, it's over for the Globalist American Empire.I doubt it will happen.
>>532752604DO IT ALREADY YOU FUCKING ORANGE FUCKTARDKIKE
>>532754789if it happens the bear's gonna come knocking.then you'll be begging for a "Globalist American Empire" or whatever gay shit your faggot fingers typed out.
>>532754552>$901 billion defense>still lost to a third world country despite starting with full surrounding and a surprise attackyeah. i'm sure your absence will be devastating for our military strength.lmao
>>532752604it would be for the best. we need to rely on ourselves, while at the same time accept that certain countries (ukraine) is lost
>>532755206>still lostsure we did, lil bro. lmao
We're taking Greenland.
>>532755204You are a complete idiot, and have zero clue about the geopolitical dynamics of Europe.
>>532752604>ask Europe to spend more money on military>Europe accepts>still not happythis is about Europe not wanting to support his war in the middle east. It's the only explanation.
>>532755782tell me about how europe is gonna fend off the bear then, lil bro.enlighten me with your great intelligence.
>>532755844>It's the only explanationyou can tell it's the only explanation because it's literally what he said.
>>532752604Ukrainians are now the most effective army in the world right after Estonians, so I dont think NATO should be scared of ((anyone))
>>532755782lmao you're done stupid chink
>>532754552No NATO is good for us both. Just means your mIC will need to downsize since it about to exit the European market and for Europe we can stop paying trillions for shit tier military stuff. Is also like to ditch US gas and oil and buy cheap Russian gas and oil but that will need European governments been changed for pro Russian ones.It can happen and it's likely to it trump leaves nato.
>>532752682>>532752698>>532752722>>532754789>>532754870Why the fuck should we back you when you deny us passage to fight Muslims when they trying to genocide Jews again?
>>532755975you mean the bear that stuck fighting a wildhog in a bog in that special 5 years bear attack?thanks for keeping us safe from that friend of yours that fears you so much.
>>532752604Lets see US MIC losing 40% of it's revenue. I DOUBLE DARE YOU MOTHERFUCKA DO IT!
>>532756414moormutt, you're suicidal
>>532752604You mean you'll stop the occupation?
>>532755975How about you defeat Iran first kek, you're running out of bombs.
>>532756329... because genociding jews is the greatest act of good a human being can ever do?It's already because of you piece of shit burgers that we got stopped from doing it in 1940.
>>532756595Trump ended Hamass war last year, be patient little boy
>>532755975Why don't you take more than 30 seconds to research what is going on right now you laughable fucking idiot.Russia has been stuck at roughly the same battle line on eastern ukraine for the past 4 years, and is currently suffering incremental losses. All this while suffering mass inflation, corruption within their military and regularly getting their refineries bombed.And you're so fucking dumb you think they could fight a multi-front war with Europe right now? France have a large arsenal of nuclear missiles themselves, and their Rafale jets are far more advanced and capable than anything Russia has right now, yet you think they'd be terrified over the prospect of a Russian attack?You down syndrome morons concoct the most laughable delusions about Russia being an all-powerful military force that could easily conquer Europe without America's protection. Its actually mind boggling how stupid and geopolitically illiterate you are.
>>532756519i mean we own land in morrocco and need the cheap labor. Netherlands got the Mocro and Algiers-mafia who murder journalists and people mexico style. Do i want to switch places with you? God no. i own land. and i deny americans and israelis free Passage. feels bueno to me
>>532756796Russia has nukes.
>>532756829post your ecuador passport, carlos
>>532752604the left was right about everything
>>532752604>america dismantling itself>america as in continent becomes brazil>jews can't even be safe in argetina anymore because too much brazil tier shitholes around them
So what is the real country of this Netherlands VPN meme caption spammer? Israel or Russia?
>>532756796You forgot the part where demilitarization has reached the point where it's actually Ukie counter drones taking down Shaheeds at GCC lol
>>532752604the dutch faggot will suck his dick but all he had to do is tell him to come back with permission from the senate to leave to make him cry, maybe even commit suicide, what a bunch of fucking clowns
>>532756851Its actually mind boggling how idiots like yourself can't even grasp the tiniest modicum of context.
>>532755204>bear gonna come knocking>bear fucking killed itself fighting against black bears
>>532756796>Russia has been stuck at roughly the same battle line on eastern ukraine for the past 4 yearsyes. because of us. not because of yurop.keep up, stupid.
>>532756947tick tock
>>532755204Dude, I'm not a cŭck raiding faggot like all of these "anons" ITT, but stop with this narrative. Russia hasn't taken Ukraine after all these years. Why do you think they'll do anything to the whole of Europe?
>>532752682Exactly. NATO pretty much coordinates all of Europes armies and sets standards for ammunition and equipment so that it can be shared amonst allies. The US lead NATO but if they want to leave the it won't be that big of a loss.
>>532756997>modicum>nukeyou really are stupid
You picked Israel over your actual allies.Good riddance.
>>532757066>Russia hasn't taken Ukraine after all these years.see>>532757025
>>532752604He might withdraw some of the US forces stationed in Europe so they can be moved to the Middle East where they can be used against Iran in the upcoming US-led ground invasion.
>>532757070Leafs are already in NATO but I think we need Mexico too.
>>532752604Trump doesn't have any authority over NATO agreements, congress does and that isn't happening, retard.
>>532752604Here's a bombshell, this is fake and gay. 2/3 of the senate. Simple as. Now what are you kikes sliding with this leaving NATO bullshit? I've been seeing the same retarded shit all day.
>>532752604NATO lost to Iran, Europe embarrassed NATO, but the only nation who tried to defend the NATO's honour is to blame. The European mental gymnastics is crazy.
>>532757094allies? you are overrun with mudslimes, the same mudslimes currently sacrificing their lives for the sake of allah. looks like (you) are on your own, lmao
>>532757025The US is not providing any aid to Ukraine right now, moron.BTW, why did you ignore every other part of my post? Are you not comfortable confronting your stupidity? Did you realize how utterly dumb you were for thinking an absence of america in NATO (which won't happen) means Russia can easily take Europe?Its actually crazy how stupid you are anon.
>>532756085>right after Estonians
He will TACO on this by next week.
>>532755206>still lostStill lost to WHAT? goatfuckers hiding in caves shooting tankers with drones and using their citizens to hug power plants? Shut the fuck up, tranny.
>>532757211Did you forget your proxy, Moshe?
>>532757089Thank you for proving you are indeed an illiterate shitskin goblin.
>>532752604Nothing ever happens
>>532757264>Still lost to WHAT? goatfuckers hiding in caves shooting tankers with drones and using their citizens to hug power plants? Yes.Glad you are aware of how humiliating that defeat is.
>>532752604Eurofags taxes about to skyrocket to the moon baby!! Pure kino!
>>532757204>russian piggy>is an idiot
>>532756887im Catalunyan - born and raised. My forefathers went to expell the Almohades and Almoravides from this land with Isabella of Spain :^)I personally own land here. My counrty has colonies in Morrocco. (The Netherlands were our colony too once, you knew that right?) we use their people as cheap laborers for centuries and they are thankful for it. Its not our fault your tiny country couldnt handle marijuana legalization (we can) and is now home to morroccos and algerias most notorious criminals. But you can come herr anytime for holidays. i dont hate the Dutch. We are just and strong. and we denied Israel and the USA free passage. that makes me proud. have a good night Dutch Anon!
>>532757224>The US is not providing any aid to Ukraine right nowyes. they are. type out the word moron again for me, lil bro.
>>532752604It's OVER alright, teehee. europoors wont do shit
>>532757224and yes. the absence of our power does mean that nato will get piledriven into submission by the bear.cope about it, stupid.
>>532757224>how utterly dumb you were for thinking an absence of america in NATO (which won't happen) means Russia can easily take Europe?Cool then no one will mind if we leave NATO.
>>532752698jewkraine unless you belter kikes start signing up for the front.
>>532752604Bye jewish dog
>>532757403passport?
>>532757199>2/3 of the senate.That law made it so that no president could exit NATO without 2/3 of the senate or congressional approval. It was created by Marco Rubio of all people and passed under Biden's presidency in 2023. Trump should know this already so his constant threats against NATO are just a coverup for his own failures.
>>532757264You can pretend to not care about them, but if you're going to spend nearly a trillion to "not care about them", you should just bribe them rather than doing this MIC welfare scheme. It'd be a lot cheaper. Just saying. I mean I don't care about them. I just care that the tax man does.
>>532757025>>532757134your war, usadongs. you started that whole debacle there, driving the ukraine to fight. not our problem.
>>532752604So now the us can take on turkey without problems huh
>>532757511>trump just refuses to honor defense dealsnothing personal, kiddo.
>>532757511>just a coverup for his own failures.Exactly. It's impotent seethe from the orange goon and his lesser goons.
>>532757525why are you a coward
>>532757405Your tiny brain can't even to the bare minimum of research. No wonder you are stupid enough to believe Russia can conquer the entire continent of Europe.https://kyivindependent.com/us-military-aid-to-ukraine-dropped-99-in-2025-report-finds/https://www.cfr.org/articles/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine
>>532757566They lost to iran, turkey can probably annex usa
>>532757454>no argumentI accept your concession. Thank you for accepting you're a complete moron.
This would be a great legacy move from Trump if I didn't know the funds will be redirected to greater israel
>>532757641>Russia can conquer the entire continent of Europe.This was the point of joining NATO, you stupid monkey, and for 70 years, they never attacked us
>>532757186>>532757199This. Trump can't pull out of NATO no matter how much he shits and pisses himself. Fake and gay posturing
>>532757511Trump could withdraw and challenge the law in the courts so you on't know what you are talking about. President's control foreign policy.
>>532756329have you said thank you israel?lebanon bombing and hence war will continue until you say: THANK YOU BIBI
>>532757457You won't leave NATO, sorry idiot. Biden clipped Trump's ears in advance. Requires congressional approval, and there will be bipartisan disapproval. Even the republicans will tell Trump to fuck off.Trump could of course just say he won't act on article 5, but that was already clear the moment he became president.
>>532757829
>>532757504Ofc let me send you a copy of my land register paper with that!do you want my credit card too?Wait let me get it for you, i swear im going to do it! but for real now, dont keep seething. fix your country. problem solved. if we can so can you! :^)
It's cute that Amerifats think Russia and China will ally with them and not with Europe if they leave nato
>>532757641>yuro niggers had to increase spending though!>still not even a fraction of what we've spentgood stuff, lil bro.
>>532752604SO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noisehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rys1UyQ8DsFUCK OFF AND DIE OP
>>532752604kek israel wants american army all for itself.
>>532757863the way trump leaves nato is by hurting the allies and making them our enemies, and he is well on his way.All so he can align america with Russia and other evil dictators, who are mostly not even white.
>>532757773>third worlder shitskin still blabbering
>>532757863dont worry about things that dont concern you, stupid ape
>>532752604Nobody fucking cares anymore. Iran war proved that US bases on your territory won't help.
>>532757928still no passport
>>532757929>socialist retards go full socialist retardi'm sure it's gonna be great for you and your culture and your people.lmao
>>532757929>It's cute that Amerifats think Russia and China will ally with them and not with Europe if they leave natoWhat can you offer them? China and the EU are both export driven economies.
>>532757929lmao, meanwhile you are not allowed to leave Germanstan
>>532752604Finally!Europoors have syphoned wealth and resources from the USA in a highly disproportionate manner since we saved them in WW2.I will enjoy watching the europoors suffer!Get fucked faggots! Especially England! Bunch of fucking fannys!!
>>532758062kys botSO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532757958And yet Ukraine is making gains without US support for over a year. Once again, you prove yourself to be a complete idiot :)Hilarious you were dumb enough to believe le big powerful Russia could easily take Europe LOL
>>532757863Trump can leave NATO and Congress can't do a thing to stop it, SCOTUS would back the President who has control over treaties.
>>532752682I thought you guys cared about ukraine, without US funding NATO its joever for ukraine
>>532758135thread is actual kremlin botsSO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532758123>without US supporti'm sure all the money and supplies we gave them have already dried up.they're running purely on those yuro bux now i'm sure. >mfw you actually believe this
>>532758230or consider thisthread is actual kremlin botsSO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532757504Only Pfeffersäcke still believe a Passport is proof of you not being a Nigger (you). Post your grimey little moslem hands you drugdealing Rapefugee
>>532758280no bots
>>532758280see>>532757579
>>532758296or maybe...just maybe or consider thisthread is actual kremlin botsSO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532757809>President's control foreign policyNot unilaterally. The president cannot declare war
>>532757971No he can't tardo.Trump's uncumbancy depends on at least having partisan support in congress.The RNC loves cheering him on when he's serving the Jews, but there's a very good reason they remain dead silent when he starts talking about how great Putin is and his much he hates NATO.0% chance he wins anywhere near enough support to leave NATO, and there won't be any close alignment with Russia for the exact same reason there hasn't been already. There is still bipartisan condonation of Russia through the american political system. Its a line Trump cannot cross without risking losing the presidency.
>>532758409>The president cannot declare warBut he can sure wage one, (unlike the Congress)
>>532758119You KYS FAGGOTYour country will now implodeHahaha!We hate you, we genuinely hate you!
>>532758039Anon, I...
>>532757982>smelly shitskin third worlder replying to everyone with bot responses
>>532758055youre coping and seething a lot. post hands. you are either Moslem, Nigger or some US-ProxyLARP faggot. or all at the same time.
>>532758414the president can refuse to honor the defense agreement. and there's nothing congress can do about it.
>>532752604IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO
>>532758026>cultureModern maxism wave as well as negro worshipping was imported from you retards
>>532758414hes not going to "leave nato" hes going to do what he always does, making everyone else leave it and degrading it as much as he can.
>>532752604Don't ask our help with your becoming war with China...and say thanks for Trump that too.
>>532758414The people would back Trump we hate the establishment, you assuming Trump would lose is assuming too much.
>>532758482No refute. LOL chink BIG MAD
>>532752604this is implying that you were reliable at any point in time. once you realize how worthless you are, it doesn't actually matter anymore. Alliance or not, you already gave signs of being unreliable years ago. it's getting obvious Trump attacked a country in a barbarian fashion in order to quit a DEFENSIVE alliance because its members ouldn't follow such a retarded scheme. it's the least deep political scapegoat I've ever seen
>>532758360Congressional Rejection of Exclusive Presidential Withdrawal Power in Section 1250A of the 2024 NDAAIn what might be understood as a rejection of the executive branch's position that the President possesses exclusive power over treaty withdrawal, in 2023, Congress enacted what appears to be the first statute prohibiting the President from unilaterally withdrawing from a treaty (specifically, the North Atlantic Treaty).81 Section 1250A of the 2024 NDAA provides that the President "shall not suspend, terminate, denounce, or withdraw the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty" without the advice and consent of the Senate, with two-thirds of Senators present concurring, or pursuant to an act of Congress.82 Additionally, the statute prohibits use of appropriated funds to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty without the advice and consent of the Senate, with two-thirds of Senators present concurring or pursuant to an act of Congress.83 Section 1250A also requires the President to consult with the House and Senate foreign affairs committees "in relation to any initiative" to withdraw the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty, and to notify those committees "of any deliberation or decision" to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty "as soon as possible but in no event later than 180 days prior to taking such action."84 To date, the 2020 OLC opinion has not been withdrawn, suggesting that the executive branch may maintain that the President has exclusive treaty withdrawal power, including power to unilaterally withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty.https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868
>>532758460The European Union isn't a country
>>532758454thread is actual kremlin bots (proven)SO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532758506>negro worshippingnice projection. you fags were worshipping niggers for years before we were.
>>532758492That was already known the moment he became president, downie idiot.In other words, absolutely nothing will change.
>>532752604Not seeing the source for this shit, but he did treat it as useless and said it was useless so many times that it became a self-fulfilling prophecy.Anyway, now everyone is getting those nuclear programs without the “reluctant” world police interference I guess.
>>532758512>Don't ask our help with your becoming war with China...and say thanks for Trump that too.LOL you wouldn't even help us open the Strait, you wouldn't help fight China at all, let's not kid ourselves.
>>532758551the president can refuse to honor the deal.and congress can't do anything about it.it's that simple.
>>532758541Delusional.
>>532758135Uhh there's no mechanism to leave NATO, sorry chud. Even if Trump tries it will get blocked by federal judges until it reaches the Supreme Court, by which time the orange retard will have moved on to other things
>>532758545you are Moslem, Nigger or ProxyMurrican. or all at the same time.
>>532758142Ukraine (and MANY other countries) will just start developing their own nukes.
>>532756796>>532752698>>532752682
againthread is actual kremlin bots (proven)SO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
America's presence in Europe was just an occupation. A thinly veiled threat to stop European colonialism and ambition. Trump is so retarded that he doesn't understand this clear reality.
>>532758599>thread is actual kremlin bots
>>532758606then what the fuck is your retard ass kvetching about, lil brownoid bro?
>>532758650Strait was open before you started shooting. Also not an offensive pact.
>>532758656wrong he's breaking the law if he does notthread is actual kremlin bots (proven)SO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532758660Yes I've been seeing the bad Trump polls since 2015, we still support him.
>>532754552TRUMP DO ITPLEASE DO IT
>>532758487Calm down, Kraut. I'm sure if you ask politely enough your masters will let you off the plantation.
>>532758581>babbys first economic bloc
>>532758785thread is actual kremlin bots (proven)SO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532758722>Also not an offensive pact.Unless it helps Europe in Serbia and Libya
Bulgaria will nuke the shit out of the jewish shithole and usa
>>532758719You are the one who exposed yourself as a complete idiot for hilariously attempting to suggest america leaving NATO means big bear Russia can take over Europe.If you now admit america was never going to invoke article 5, then what is stopping big bear Russia from conquering Europe right now?
>>532758829>>babbys first economic blocbabbys first cartel more like
thread is actual kremlin botskysSO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532758687Russian have historically sucked nigger dick at conquering anything that isn't stone age steppe tribes or irrelevant Baltic fishing villages. Proved right again in Ukraine. This whole perception of Russia as le big powerful coutnry is a purely muttish delusion. They can't even take on the quasi-Russian dirt poor shithole next door, you think any real country here still perceives them as a serious threat?
>>532756724Based. The only post that matters. Fuck this gay earth.
>>532758703>stop European colonialismThen why did europeans pull out of africa, you stupid monkey
>>532758754none of what you posted says that he has to honor the agreement.he can refuse. it's that simple.cry about it.
>>532758978>Russian have historically sucked nigger dick at conquering anything that isn't stone age steppe tribes or irrelevant Baltic fishing villages.>Proved right again in Ukraine. This whole perception of Russia as le big powerful coutnry is a purely muttish delusion. They can't even take on the quasi-Russian dirt poor shithole next door, you think any real country here still perceives them as a serious threat?Right so NATO is unnecessary anyway, no reason to keep it around.
>>532758772>we still support himWho is "we"? Evangelicals, Zionists and Russians? Which of these subhuman categories do you fall into?Also I know you're an idiot, but try to actually observe the graphic that was presented to you. Trump had net approval leading up to his election win, and was both leading the polls and rated a big favourite to win the 2024 election.His numbers have sharply declined ever since, and his rating among independents is now terrible. Only the core maga base still support him, of which I have no doubt you're a proud member.
another bluff to give euro leaders another excuse to increase military spendingsnot seeing this is sub 80 iq
>>532758889>big bear Russia can take over Europe.FOOL, this is the claim from european leaders
>>532758982>The only post that matters.SO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532759138>Only the core maga base still support him, of which I have no doubt you're a proud member.I am and I despise liberal faggots like you.
He especifically need a hypermajority at congress to do it, guess what..
>>532759222yeah but ur in russiaSO FUCKING BORED OF KREMLIN SPASTICS SPAMMING THEIR RETARDED NO SOURCE SCREENSHOT CRAP GARBAGE"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532758889>america was never going to invokewhat?where did i ever imply that? we're pulling out because yurop is filled with socialist traitors that are bad allies. if they weren't socialist traitors that were bad allies we would have no problem honoring the agreements.keep up. and don't put words in people's mouths. it makes you look more retarded than you usually look, lil bro.
>>532759233and the senate
>>532759131>Right so NATO is unnecessary anyway, no reason to keep it around.Wow, you actually got the point. That IQ makes you basically the king of miggers. Congratulations! Now pack up your bases and fuck off.
>>532759282Stop spamming the thread Mick.
>>532759080He can do whatever he wants, but no one has to obey him at anything he says, you are just butthurt some demtrons outmaneuver you, "american".
>>532759222Its good that you admit you're a moron, anon.
>>532759340>Now pack up your bases and fuck off.Nothing would make us happier you worthless prick. Fake allies, backstabbers.
>>532758889>america was never going to invoke article 5America already invoked article 5 over Afghanistans incasion
>>532758340>2022miger.
>>532759347read it and weep"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532759333Except the US is not pulling out, because it won't pass congress, sorry idiot.
>>532752604>doesnt have 2/3rds of congresslmao
>>532759386Well it's good that you admit you're a faggot Anon.
>>532759464this
>>532759464see>>532757579
Usa will never leave nato, usa is reliant on them too much. Even in the war with iran which they strategically lost. Using turkish and uk recon. In the UN USA will lose their support . In economy/trade and literally everywhere usa is reliant on eu. Biden is smarter he knows that usa is not shit without its allies . Usa and their CIA did not spend trillions and decades on wars and regimes changes for nothing lol are u retarded
>>532759424Meant to say act on*
>>532759531yead you are wrong. that breaking the law under the act an an indictmentstay in russia"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise
>>532759545fair enough
All Trump has to do is defund NATO and state he will not honor Article 5 requests. Then NATO is basically over regardless of if Congress "lets" him leave NATO. He needs to do this.
>>532759406Budapest memorandum
>>532759503That's just your standard coping mechanism for everything, idiot.Its funny because even /pol/ has largely turned against trump now, and loyalist morons like you are getting visibly upset about it.
>>532759599it's not breaking the law. and the president can do it.go do a little cursory research.
>>532759464more of a chance that the US pulls out of NATO, than you running out of petrol in 2 weeks
>>532759406Shut up russnigger, if your chechen lord discovers you posting at 4chan he will send you to the trenches, after your usual task as an onahole KEKAROOO.
>>532759675pol/ is not the real world, stupid incel lmao
>>532759637>All Trump has to do is defund NATO and state he will not honor Article 5 requests.can'tread the fucking actstay in russia"The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on 22 December 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate majority or an act of Congress."https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868"n 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. See Section 1250A of the 2024 National Defense Authorization Act, Pub. L. No. 118-31. This provision emerged against the backdrop of debates concerning the United States' policy toward NATO and whether the President possesses the power to withdraw the United States from treaties without receiving the legislative branch's approval."/pol/= brown noise"Additionally, the statute prohibits use of appropriated funds to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty without the advice and consent of the Senate, with two-thirds of Senators present concurring or pursuant to an act of Congress."
>>532757624At WW II your country dropped all your weapons at day five....fuck you and all kind of you.
>>532759675I'm not upset my friend I just really think you are a faggot, but you be yourself, be proud.
>>532758860Neither of which was a NATO operation under article 5, but rather UN operations.Anything else you want to look stupid with?
>>532759531The possibility that Trump is unlikely to honor any foreign defense commitments become the expectation in most US-allied countries a few months into his second presidency, nothing has changed since then.
>>532759787They were NATO operations with UN approval.
>>532759637NATO countries fund themselves you laughable little idiot.All trump would be doing is cutting off yet another revenue stream out if spite, and risk further alienating republicans who are already very uncomfortable confronting his love for Putin.
>>532758978We've been supplying the Ukrane with our dollars to indirectly oppose Russia.
>>532759809>becomebecame*
>>532759742>Here’s the problem: a president doesn’t need a clean, lawful exit to damage deterrence. He can erode it in place. He can turn NATO into a shell company with a headquarters in Delaware, a shitty AI-generated logo, and a stock price in freefall.>He can slow-walk deployments, freeze planning, undercut exercises, refuse to reaffirm Article 5, and make every crisis feel conditional on what you’ve done for him lately.>If Trump actually tried an overt unilateral withdrawal and Congress fought back, that case would likely land at the Supreme Court faster than you can say “ground war in Iran.” And I’m not betting the mortgage that the current conservative majority Court wakes up every morning asking how best to frustrate Trump’s Article II ambitions.>A presidential-power reading that favors unitary executive authority over statutory limits is a live option.
>>532752604Bureaucrat says no.
>>532759758ok, abdul
>>532752604What do you mean you want to leave?First you need to fill out a million forms nigger.Fucking hell also pay the toll plus re-occurring fee and appointment charge.
>>532759768Nah, you're clearly upset. You've made several posts in this thread alone that make it extremely obvious you're upset and extremely frustrated, just like your idiot president.
>>532755204The "bear" has been stuck in a field in Donbas for 5 years. Not that we should be complacent, however.
>>532759997>First you need to fill out a million forms niggerMigger*
>>532759926Your nation is not qualified to speak courage....you don't have any. Probably Germans let you live only because your language amusing them.
>>532759893The US funds the NATO organization something like 800 million a year, it needs to be zero.
>>532752604Haven't you ever heard of Communism nigger? You need to follow the rules and do what's best for the collective.1 Trillion dollar tax because Google.Why can't we de-Google nigger?WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M LOCKED OUT OF MY JOB?!WHY CAN'T I SIGN INTO GOOGLE?! WHY ISN'T MY COMPUTER WORKING?!I'm going to send you a form but you need to wait for my internet to connect and for all my accounts to sign in.
The USA saved and paid to rebuild war torn europe after ww2. My gratitude, but if they want to leave NATO, I will be upset, but I can understand, time for europe to stand up to the EAST on our own
>>532759712>jungle monkey weighs inMutts would fuck off in any serious situation anyways,see the GCC. Right now we are only paying money for their bases and letting them use our land for their israel protection thing, to no benefit of our own. Keep out of matetrs you don't understand.
>>532760008>You've made several posts in this threadlol not more than you though
Kek politics is getting funny again. Military action is on the table again because Europe tried to De-Google.Big mistake. Those profits in Iran are Google's Donny.
>>532756829>we own land in morrocco
>>532754870The USA will not leave NATO.
>>532760199>paidLoaned.Which were all repaid, with interest.
>>532759893Well at least he got richer by manipulating the stock market while the migatrons here became poorer, but I guess there is enough Drumpf orange juice to save them from starvation.
>Google doesn't have any profitsAbsolutely hilarious. Google has been backstabbing Donny the Dealstealer from the start.Google shakedown is a possibility.
What Amerifats also don't realize is that they need NATO more than Europe needs the US in nato.NATO is basically a big lever for military control over Europe and also a starting point for Middle East military operations, as well as a MASSIVE income source for the American MIC.Trump will unironically be hanged before he manages to leave nato, because it'd be geopolitical suicide. It's the same reason he chickened out like a little pussy from the whole Greenland thing, but of course /pol/ has already memoryholed that
>>532760176Lol that is literally nothing compared to what the US is making in defense exports, and being the idiot you are, you naturally agree with cutting that revenue stream out of spite while national debt is well into $40 trillion and counting fast.
>>532755975France has nukes. Putin wouldn't dare anything funny because basically the entirety of Russia's relevance is focused in St. Petersburg and Moscow. A two-nukes solution like the US dropped on Japan would end Russia entirely.At best, he could make it mutual - but he still doesn't have the arsenal to pull it off Europe-wide without interception taking out most. Also - while some may call him crazy, he's much too rational to actually do it.He's not a fanatic religious nutcase like Bibi.
>>532760212Fuck of Ivan, go suck some tuvanian asshole dick or something.
>>532760199You're not European, shitskin idiot. Stop larping.
>>532760395>What Amerifats also don't realize is that they need NATO more than Europe needs the US in nato.False, you guys are zero help to us, wouldn't even help us open the Strait.
>>532752604After their shameful betrayal with Iran this was to be expected.
Oh no. What will NATO be without the guy who can only defeat poor Palestinians with extremely expensive bombs.
>>532760490At this point I can tell you're just trolling and larping as a magatard.
Even if Trump can't unilaterally pull out of NATO it doesn't really make any difference. If a non-US NATO member is attacked, the US isn't coming so long as Trump or one of his acolytes is in charge.So they might as well leave. NATO remains a strong military alliance and it's liberated from the stain of being affiliated with the US, which has speedrun being the leader of the free world to a universally despised basketcase third world pariah state in less than a decade. Far left and far right third columnists in Western countries try to make out that NATO is just a tool of American imperialism, America being out of NATO robs them of that. Yes, it will cause some short term pain to the remaining NATO countries while they plug the holes that America's departure would leave, but these aren't as drastic as miggers make out or aren't as necessary if we're no longer embarking on retarded wars in the middle East and remaining focused on Europe and the North Atlantic area.
>>532752604>WH bombshell!MIGGER has always talked about leaving NATO he won't do shit
>>532760490Your European bases are the logistics hub that allows operations in the middle east, dumbfuck. If you leave Europe, you are cut off from your daddy israel.
>>532756964Just wait for it. Rutte talked him out of the Greenland affair before and he has literal decades of experience tard-wrangling worth than Trump.
>>532760625>Your European bases are the logistics hub that allows operations in the middle east, dumbfuck. If you leave Europe, you are cut off from your daddy israel.We have bases all over the Middle East and Asia to we don't need you.
Kek listening to these retard reports.>Iran will attack datacenters, just not GoogleThey're paying money to Google.>Google says they have no profits to give to Donny the Dealstealer>Bureaucratic lock in Europe from Google saturated devices.>America CIA has integration with GoogleSilent player Google is securing their pay at the expense of Donny the Dealstealer. Absolutely hilarious, Google just denies it. Kek.
>>532760625Plus we can still have bi-lateral alliances with countries in Europe that value our alliance. Just NATO needs to die.
>>532760781Pull out of NATO and you have nothing. Just shows your word is worth jack shit and nobody can trust you.
Kek America, Iran and Europe need to blow up Google Datacenters to get what they want.Google is just too powerful.
>>532760840>Pull out of NATO and you have nothing.Yeah you guys are a huge help to us as the last 2 weeks illustrate. What would we do without you?
>>532757809>Trump could withdraw and challenge the law in the courts so you on't know what you are talking aboutMarco Rubio created that law and had bipartisan support specifically so that no future president could withdraw from NATO without congressional approval or 2/3's of the senate. Once that bill became a law, Trump can't challenge it and he's going to lose control of congress in the midterms.
>>532758142Miger, you've already stopped funding Ukraine when Trump got elected, you fucking inbred kike.Ukraine is already100% funded by the E.U.
>>532760915Like I keep having to remind you, NATO is a defensive treaty.You attacked. So no NATO. The End.
>>532760928How much longer can NATO last really? You realize half of the US now hates it. That isn't going away. Maybe the Democrats win Congress. But maybe Vance wins in 2028.
>>532752604>>532754552>>532758687Oh no.... anyway
>>532752604I still find this unlikely.
>>532760781If Orban loses the election in Hungary I don't think literally any European country is going to want a fresh alliance outside of the NATO framework with you. Maybe Poland would but even they're feeling betrayed and they're one of the most ride-or-die countries for American in Europe. Otherwise none of the notable powers in Europe are with you. You've abused the UK non-stop over the past couple of months and basically everyone here despises Trump now, even retarded Reform voters. France and Spain both cockblocked you from their airspace. Germany is lukewarm at best. Even Meloni in Italy has criticised Trump. There's no notable ally in Europe you've not pissed off, in addition to Australia and America's other erstwhile allies in the Pacific.
>>532760966>Like I keep having to remind you, NATO is a defensive treaty.>You attacked. So no NATO. The End.You seem to believe that even though NATO was proactive in Libya and Serbia. But since we are all so strict about what NATO is we can all agree we have no obligation to aid Ukraine in any way as it is not a NATO member.
>>532760781>with countries in Europe that value our allianceSo no one, got it.
>>532760966>defensiveiran is actively funding terrorists to attack you though.i know you vote for it, but attacks are attacks.
>>532760176Good luck trying to project power without Ramstein or Incirlirk/Cyprus/UK airbases. You would lose half of you projection power, which means you would turn into a regional superpower. Not that we would complain though.The fucking state of the USA...
>>532760418> A two-nukes solutionOne nuke would only raze a suburb district of Moscow, it takes at least a dozen hits and a saturation attack of hundred missiles to achieve these because many would be intercepted by Russia's sophisticated defense. I wonder if France alone could land even one hit with their antiquated nukes.
>>532761128>You've abused the UK non-stop over the past couple of months and basically everyone here despises Trump now, even retarded Reform voters. France and Spain both cockblocked you from their airspace. Germany is lukewarm at best. Even Meloni in Italy has criticised Trump. There's no notable ally in Europe you've not pissed off, in addition to Australia and America's other erstwhile allies in the Pacific.That is fine, we don't need you, you are a drain on us, we needed you once briefly recently and you said no. So what is your value?
>>532760928Trump is shitting the bed of nato and everyone is appalled by his stink and they know they cant trust such a disgusting freak to be there for them. Hes destroying nato all on his own.
>>532761050just pool it all together then.i'm sure you'll do just fine without us.lmao
>>532761204>Every fucking muslim terrorist attack on European soil can be traced back to Saudi Arabia and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt>Both Sunni islam>Iran is Shia and every Sunni hates them for it>"iran is actively funding terrorists to attack you though."Jesus fucking christ you're retarded.
>>532761209We can project power from Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain etc.
>>532760693Bases that still heavily relies on European based logistics...Even funnier: the whole world has seen the worth of the mutt alliance with this war: you get to be the punching ball, while they don't offer any kind of protection.
>>532761287>So what is your value?they get to save all their socialism bux on healthcare instead of spending it defending themselves.hopefully that changes.
>>532761390All without european help
>>532761368>Every fucking muslim terrorist attack on European soil can be traced back to Saudi Arabia and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egyptthey can? source?
>>532756908>the left was right about everythingAnd that's a good thing. No satire.
>>532761501Source me on those Iranian funded Shia terrorists first, bro.And no, hezbollah and hamas does not count.
>>532761403>the whole world has seen the worth of the mutt alliance with this warNo actually the whole world has seen the value of an alliance with France, when we asked for aid and not much aid, just a little, you refused, even though acting would have benefited you.
>>532761418>spend about 20% of GDP on the welfare state>you can only afford it because you don't spend 2.5% more on defense Christ the US clearly can't afford education with it's current defense spending
>>532761209Bases that have been proven to be completely exposed to temu drone strikes? Sure, let's see how it goes over the course of 12 months.
>>532758687Oh my god, please let it happen.I'll go ahead and chill the vodka.
>>532752604Europe is about to enter a massive civil war where based muslims will finally finish local cumskins, I would jump off this boat as well
>>532761646>2.5% morelmao. it's way more than that, coping bro.
>>532761606couldn't back up your gay claim, eh lil bro?>hezbollah and hamas does not countlmao. thanks for playing.
>>532760176And why do you think that is? Those US base are there for your own benefit, not anyone else, 800m is small moneyIronically this shitshow exposed how much the US need NATO to get shit done, dont expect anyone to sweat when King Migger threaten to quit it for the 14th time
>>532761613There's no benefit for france to be found apart to say fuck you. You have no leverage whatsoever. We import roughly slighlty more than10 % of our oil from the middle east and that's it. So again: sure, leave NATO, asap, so we don't have to deal with you apes. We've been waiting for that for half a century now. Fuck off
>>532761988>Ironically this shitshow exposed how much the US need NATO to get shit doneYeah we need allies that do nothing for us.
>>532761809Before that happens, Canada will be engulfed by a massive tsunami of Indian shit 666 meters high.
>>532761308You're acting like we have to defend from alien invasion or something. Its literally just Russia.The funniest thing is people like you probably have another tab open where you're shitting on Russia for not even being able to take Ukraine
>>532761996>We've been waiting for that for half a century now.We want the same things then you frog piece of shit, go get jumped by some niggers in Paris.
>>532761885dude while spending less than 2% Europe outspends the russians on defense by almost a full order of magnituted has more men under arms than russia, has more and more advanced gear and on top of all of that russia can't even beat Ukrainebut somehow unless we go and spend 10% on defense we'll be doomed or some retarded shit gl,hf with all your adventurism on the behest of the kikes
>>532761980Israel is the middle east, not the west, not Europe.And they deserve everything coming to them.
>>532752604>will discussSo he's just gonna order some of Mollie Tibbett's dad's favourite food?
>>532762177>Its literally just Russia.That is actually the point, Russia isn't much of a threat, they are actually pretty weak and you guys won't help us in there Middle East so there is really no point to NATO, just an expensive organization that is no longer necessary.
>>532755975this entire thread is just you flailing impotently going "a-admit you need us, you love us really, don't you, yuropoor-kun??? UWU"they don't, no one does. you are a nigger nation that spreads aids and the gay everywhere you go. please do fuck off from our affairs, get all your blacks stationed at american military bases around europe the fuck out whilst you're at it. bye-bye you fat mutant faggot, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
What exactly causes trump-supporting idiots to believe Russia is an overwhelming superpower that could easily conquer Europe without America's protection? How exactly do their small brains end up drawing that conclusion?
>>532761613>when we asked for aid and not much aid, just a little, you refusedThat's exactly what happened with Ukraine a year ago btw, EU leaders wanted support and Trump told them to fuck off, which is fair desu, he just doesnt want to get involved, that's his choiceBut you cross the retard line when you come crying 6 months later spouting bullshit about "muh allies" because we dont want to get involved in your middle east bullshit, pick a lane
>>532762388We want the same thing actually.
>>532762177>its literally the country that nato was formed to defend against.good point, lil bro. you seem smart.>>532762210i'm sure you're all gonna get along and pool those resources together well enough you'll get to keep that sweet healthcare and you'll finally get to form a viable military. it's gonna be cash for ya, diet-france.
>>532762470Well sure, but one minor quibble, Ukraine isn't in NATO, the USA is and you wouldn't come to our aid when we asked. So not helping Ukraine and not helping the USA aren't the same.
>>532762388Don't be so quick to assume the goblin is american.Has the writing prose of a standard russian shillbot. They use american VPNs.
>>532762388>a-admit you need usi don't care what you silly socialist faggots say.i'm gloating at you retards for not being able to defend yourselves. and all you can do is seethe about it.
>>532762670Israel isn't a NATO member. Get fucked.We know who holds your leash.
>>532762623>Ukraine isn't in NATONeither is Israel, not my problem, you enjoy your sunny trip bro, just dont involve me
>>532762670Hey idiot, why should NATO allies help conduct an offensive invasion on behalf of Israel? Against a nation they have no interest in invading, and that america didn't consult prior to deciding to invade.
>>532762718>>532762756Iran is pretty clearly America's enemy but your attitude is what I would expect.
>>532762688But you already exposed yourself as an idiot with no grasp on the military dynamics of NATO. You are clearly unintelligent.
>>532762451>What exactly causes trump-supporting idiots to believe Russia is an overwhelming superpower that could easily conquer Europe without America's protection?maybe it's the whole "NATO even existing in the first place" thing that makes us think that, lil bro.
>>532762623>all gonna get along and pool those resources together well enoughcurrent levels are enough to get the job done, some more spending wouldn't hurt but isn't to prevent the russians from marching into berlinit turns out that you can get more bang for your buck on defense spending when you don't have to pay for global force projectionthat being said, I hope we burn the whole welfare state downI'm sick and tired of paying for niggers, muslimes and walloons
good. i don't care what happens to europe or the middle east. i mean at this point, europe might as well be the middle east so lol.
>>532762874I can actually see your spittle flying around as you post. Calm down bro, go outside and get some fresh air.
>>532762864>Iran is pretty clearly America's enemyAnd they have every reason to be so since you started fucking with them all the way back in 1953.Not our fucking problem, not a NATO problem.You don't get to start a fucking war then come crydemanding NATO support for it.
>>532762864>Iran is pretty clearly America's enemyIran doesnt give a shit about America, their problem is with Israel, again, a non-NATO countryIf you guys wanna get involved that's your choice, but if you dont chip in for Ukraine, dont expect us to chip in for Israel
>>532762874>thinks yurop is single handedly helping ukraine.lmaotype out the words "clearly unintelligent" again for me, lil brown bro
>>532762317If you ask me NATO should have been disbanded at the end of the Cold War>>532762623Why does it matter what it was founded for? Russia isn't the Soviet Union and the Ukraine war shows that
>>532762964You have more Africans than South Africa. Not a joke btw.
>>532763035>Ukraine war shows thatbecause of our support. it's not disputable.
>>532762864>Iran is pretty clearly America's enemyThats not NATOs problem. Its a defenisve alliance with clear cut definitions of when it comes into effect, not a "bomb the middle east to make money" alliance.Furthermore, it was your choice to assassinate their democratically elected president and then make a surprised Pikachu face when they inexplainably end up hating you for it. Your mess, your problem. Obama managed it decently, we're not obligated to partake in braindead chimpouts because Bibi told the orange tard that it would be easy and he chose to believe him over his own generals.
>>532763019That's fine, but there is more to it than that Iran having a nuclear weapon would be able to hold the world's oil hostage. But I get you, which is why NATO has zero relevance today, we don't even like each other anymore as this thread makes pretty clear time to move on from antiquated organizations.
>>532762670Now apply that same logic to Israel. At least Ukraine is in the European neighbourhood and what happens there has security implications for Europe. Why do you need to attack a country on a completely different continent because it's supposedly a threat to Israel? There's minimal American military infrastructure in Israel nor has it really served as a sensible geostrategic proxy since the end of the cold war. So why even agree to start this war to begin with, let alone get butthurt because we wouldn't help you out after you realised you fucked up?
>>532763058yeah but they're christians at least. enjoy your caliphate.
>>532762864shouldn't have limited the territorial scope of NATO mutual defense to Europe, the Atlantic and North America. if the US hadn't they'd be perfectly in their right to invoke art. 5 and Europe would have supported them just like when the US invoked it after 9/11
>>532755844How many countries in Europe? How many countries agreed to pay?
>>532763220The USA has interests all over the globe, not just Europe.
>>532763269>and Europe would have supported themI don't believe that one at all lol.
>>532763291>agreed to payunited states of kikemerica
>>532763218>we don't even like each otherThis shit was never supposed to be a pizza Party, it's an alliance of aligned interests, the US-EU alliance has been hugely beneficial for both, the US get projection and the EU get stability, both side bitch about it but they're not keen on leaving>Iran having a nuclear weapon would be able to hold the world's oil hostage.No they dont, they're part of OPEC, they'll do what they're told or they'll get cut-out. Russia has nukes and they dont get to tell us the price of oil either, if anything anytime supply is disrupted it's everyone but Russia because the ziggers need the money more than the west need the oil
>>532763269They still wouldn't because they instigated the war. If you start a war and the enemy hits you back then that doesn't trigger article 5
>>532755204Haven't been on /pol/ in a while, but this place has become viciously schizophrenic. Never used to be so unhinged.
>>532752604Don’t threaten me with a good time lmfao
>>532763520we did the last time you invoked art. 5 if the US was attacked by iran and invoked it why shouldn't we do our duty?but instead the US just follows israel like a good little goydog on a leash you chose who's more important to you and all the best with that. let's see how the kikes pay you back for all you've done for them
it’s a relief because nobody will have to pretend to give a shit for the next 9/11. Just leave already
>>532763493You didn't answer my question. What interest does Israel represent that's so important that you need to let them drag you into a failed war? There's no military basing there, it's all in the gulf states. You pay billions in military aid a year and get nothing back. The country has next to nothing in the way of strategically important resources. If you stopped trading with them their economy would collapse, but America wouldn't even notice. Pull military aid and their regional military superiority vanishes at more or less no real consequence to yourself. So what's the big deal?
>>532763625ofc, but if israel blew up the iranian leadership then the IRGC would have struck US assets in the regionjust like how it played out, at that point the US could have invoked art.5 had the US not limited the territorial application of the NATO treaty to fuck Europe over on their colonies
>>532763798>hurr 9/11 durrthe "pretending to give a shit" thing works both ways, lil bro.
>>532763520You dont have to believe, you just have to use your brainIf Trump was actively supplying Ukraine right now(He's not) he could use it as a lever to force NATO/EU to support him in Iran, and everybody would be forced to chip in, that's basic self-interestBut in reality he decided to withdraw from Ukraine because "not my problem lol america first maga" only to start another war in sandistan 6 months later and is now wondering why nobody want to help50y later people will still laugh at it, comedy gold
>>532763776>you chose who's more important to you and all the best with thatWhat are you talking about, Iran chants "Death to America" they are our enemy. They were before this and will be after.
>>532763857>failed war?didja read that on xwatter, lil bro?
>>532763857donor money for the political classthere doesn't have to be a national interest at stake, just the interest of those that run it
>>532754552Just wait for 2028 and everything will be back to normal lmao.
>>532763269They shouldn't have supported them the first time either because 9/11 was an inside job
>>532763964It seems blindingly obvious to me. You've accomplished no objectives, you've wasted a ton of resources and now the starting point for peace talks involves making concessions to Iran that leaves them in a better place than when they started.But that wasn't what I was asking. I was asking what value Israel provides to the US that overrules the value that Europe provides to the US. Can you give me an answer or are you going to sidestep that question too?
>>532763857The US has other interests in the Middle East other than Israeli security, how about the ocean of oil reserves there worth tens of trillions. >drag you into a failed war?Failed how? Iranian military is wrecked, all leaders are dead, nuclear sites are rubble?
>>532762670Ukraine isn't a NATO member but the Russian war against it serves as a serious destabilizing factor in Europe and its geopolitical implications pose a plausible security threat to numerous NATO countries in the near future.Also while Ukraine doesn't have NATO guarantees, the US did give Ukraine security guarantees/assurances via the Budapest memorandum, so Trump cutting American support from Ukraine is a clear example of the US disregarding their allies and security commitments.Other NATO countries already came to America's assistance in their previous wars, including when they invoked article 5.NATO is meant to be primarily a defensive alliance and the American operation in Iran is clearly offensive in nature.Also the Trump admin didn't consult other NATO countries about their Iran operation in advance, so demanding and expecting NATO participation mid-conflict (especially considering the abysmal American diplomacy towards their allies within the last year) is rather unreasonable.
>>532763961there's a chink who wants me dead, why would I give a fuck the fuck are they going to do to me? they can't even leave china and I've no reason to ever go near it.it's the same for the US, you don't get your oil from the ME and the dunecoons can't reach youbut they can reach israel and the US leadership in both parties place israels interests of those of the US so good luck getting so much as a "thank you" from your greatest ally
>>532763961Russia regularly threaten Europe and the UK with nuclear annihilation and publish videos of simulated nuclear assaults.Why don't America defend their allies? You know, as NATO was intended to function? Through your line of logic the US should step in and help, but Trump only ever worships Putin.Alas, you're a complete idiot.
>>532763949Trump is going to use the fact you refused to aid us as an excuse to further disengage from Ukraine, he'll probably meet with Putin again, maybe strike a bi-lateral deal with him, you'll regret it.
>>532764145So you admit your country is interested in stealing another country's oil reserves? And you believe NATO, a defensive alliance, was obligated to help you with this theft?Idiot.
>>532764300He can do whatever he want, or rather say whatever he want, because he already withdrew from Ukraine, the EU provide most of the intel, training and suppliesHe has no leverage, outside of going on fox to call us communists
>>532764300>maybe strike a bi-lateral deal with himon what? US-russia trade was less than 1% of prewar russian tradethe US gave up nearly all it's leverage in the conflict. what little it has left it can't really use because doing so wouldn't just affront it's European but also it's Asian allies. they are also observing how the US treats it's allies and that's part of the calculus of helping to block china or notit's paying a dollar to save a penny
>>532764166>Ukraine isn't a NATO member but the Russian war against it serves as a serious destabilizing factor in Europe and its geopolitical implications pose a plausible security threat to numerous NATO countries in the near future.So even though Ukraine isn't in NATO what happens there affects European NATO members interests nteresting, similar to how what happens in the Persian Gulf affects American interests.
>>532764300Again idiot, he already gives nothing to Ukraine.There won't be any partnerships with Russia because the RNC won't stand for it. Continue deluding yourself at your leisure moron.
>>532764555>So even though Ukraine isn't in NATO what happens there affects European NATO members interests nteresting, similar to how what happens in the Persian Gulf affects American interests.Yeah, that's exactly what we're trying to tell youRussia is a clear threat to EU interests and your govt said "not my problem", so why would anyone gaf about your fud with Iran?
>>532764145The nations that control that oil didn't want the war though. All of them issued public refusals of permission to use their airspace and military facilities which were only reversed when they came under attack by Iran - starting the war only endangered the oil that you claim is so important to you, if you never started the war they'd be no closure of the straight of Hormuz (widely known to be an inevitability in the event of a war with Iran, at least by anyone who's not a complete idiot) and there'd be no missile strikes on oil facilities in the region. Your Arab gulf allies were well aware of these risks and warned against them. You ignored them. So your assertion that this is all about the oil doesn't make sense.Only one country in the region wanted the war, and that was Israel. The time you attacked last year was at the behest of Israel. This time was obviously at the behest of Israel. So don't try and bullshit me.
>>532764555do note that Ukraine was attacked by a country that threatens to nuke the US every other weekand that the US joined the war against iran on Israel's behest, a country that isn't part of NATO
>>532764555Note the difference between the words "threat" and "interest".An existential threat of a foreign invasion from a nearby country is hardly comparable to American interests on the other side of the world. NATO is meant to deal with immediate threats towards its members, not with global interests of its singular members.
>>532764555You've lost the argument mate. Good job.
>>532764682Believe what you want, Iran not getting a nuclear weapons capability is a core American security interest period. Iran's regime is hostile to the US and they could potentially control a huge chuck of the world's oil reserves, unacceptable.
>>532764681Fair enough I guess I don't think you would have helped in any event.
>>532764879>NATO is meant to deal with immediate threats towards its members, not with global interests of its singular members.Oh I see lol. Well then. Good to know we don't have to defend Estonia's global interests.
>>532765010And yet you kvetched multiple tines in this thread, despite your president hypocritically not helping NATO allies against Russia.This is exactly why you're a moron.
>48 post by this idBit late for this shit, isn't it HIVan?
>>532765153>>532765230Why so many butthurt Ukrainians in this thread? Sheesh
>>532765010>I don't think you would have helpedIf that happened you'd still have the upper hand because you could cut supplies to Ukraine in retaliation, fair is fair>>532765230Nah he's a migger not a zigger I guarantee it, that's actually pretty standard behavior for his kind, you see this shit all day on twitter, they're in a perpetual alternating loop of jingoism and victim-mentality and there's nothing we can do to help them
>>532765325Anon, you lost the argument.Swallow your pride, aceept that you're a miron, take the L and move on.
>>532765489>migger not a ziggerBoth Chabad stooges. What's the fucking difference?
>>532765572moron*
>>532764978But preventing this outcome was previously being achieved by way of diplomacy. The JCPOA conceived by Obama was achieving its aims of preventing nuclear proliferation (inspectors were permitted and verified that Iran was complying with the deal) while working towards diplomatic normalisation that might, in time, have seen an end to Iran's frothing hatred of the US and lead to true stability in the region, not only preserving regional peace but your own national interest. One problem though, this didn't satisfy Netanyahu's bloodlust so it had to be torn up. And thus it all comes back to Israel once again. Admit it, what's best for your national interests comes second to what's best for those of Israel, because Trump is in thrall to Netanyahu and dependent on Jewish campaign financing.
>>532765584Well a migger is just stupidIf he was a zigger he'd be both stupid and deceitful, because he'd be trying to convince us he's posting from New York Oblast - USA
>>532765744There is no doubt that wealthy Jews have a disproportionate amount of political power in the USA sure and our politicians grovel to them much of the time but that doesn't change the fact that Iran is no friend of the USA even if Israel disappeared Iran would still be a problem for us.
>>532765785>Well a migger is just stupid>If he was a zigger he'd be both stupid and deceitful, because he'd be trying to convince us he's posting from New York Oblast - USAYou aren't French, English is obviously your first language. VPN?
>>532766096I'm litteraly french, currently in France and have never stepped foot on UK or US soilI just read and write a lot in english for my work, so my level is decent
