Why are Catholics like this?
>>532766285Vatican II adherents, it is probably higher by the way...
>>532766285They're like most Christians, Jews and Muslims, they only pretend to believe until its inconvenient or misaligns with the popular societal norms.Big shocker
The only passage in the bible that even implies when life begins says that the fetus must first have bones for the human spirit to enter> 5As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womba of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.Coincidentally, the bones begin to ossify when the neural tube closes and brain development begins at 5-6 weeks>inb4 GOD FORMED ME IN THE WOMBYes he formed egg cells too I guess>BEFORE I FORMED HE KNEW MEHe knows the futurePro lifers spiritualize and interpret a book that is quite clearGod approves everything created and knows the futureHe also doesn’t let the human spirit come into the womb until there are bones and coincidentally a brainUntil then, it is just reproductive cells like sperm or eggs and can even be spontaneously discarded without an abortion.The bible never directly condemns masturbation either. It condemned one specific person for pulling out when god told him specifically to cum inside his sister.
>>532767619who care4s about any of this, killing your own child is batshit insane
>>532766285If I’m seeing Catholic hate threads it means we are doing exceedingly well kek
boom booms dont want to babysit
>>532766285>Aborting a defect is a crimeThat's fucking stupid take.
>>532767989>jack off>u murdered baby>menstrual cycle>u murdered babby>flesh tube with no bones and no brain detaches and is flushed out>u murdered babbyThere really is a point where its just cells, and drawing the line at brain development might even cut it off too early but maybe they knew somethingOr maybe it was a poetic accident
Christianity (or rather any religion other than Judaism, as the book of daniel was written before Christianity) was always going to devolve into open sodomy and female hypergamy.DANIEL KNEW THIS. IT'S WHY HE WROTE THE GUY IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL WOULD HATE WOMEN AND HE WOULD SAY JEWS WERE ORIGINSLLY NIGGERS.
>>532768459>incoherent babblingas I said, batshit insane
>>532766285Abortion is a good thing though, it helps keep the population of nigs and spics down.
>>532768683When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman’s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. - Exodus 21:22Word of god, your religion, calls abortion a PROPERTY CRIME. May as well be the same as chucking a vial of semen you intended to use.
>>532768907You need to take your meds.
>>532766285Even condoms and bc are against their religion.It just goes to show, the only way to successfully have a religion nowadays that doesn’t cuck to secular humanism, is to have a closed off community that weeds out subversive influence, like the Amish, Mennonites, etcThe whole country used to function this way til leftist Jews made a few key victories that no one noticed and the rest followed suit.
>>532768907>I need a jewish book to determine how much shekels this sin will cost.Aborting for no good reason should be unacceptable in a society as abandoning a child. Not a crime but a dismoral action. Aborting a defect or a dangerous pregnancy should not be a crime.
>>532766285>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE NIGGERS MUST HAVE MORE CHILDREN AAAHHHHHHHHHH OUTLAW ABORTION NOW NOW NOW MORE NIGGER MORE NIGGER MORE NIGGGEEERRRRRSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!why are christkeks like this??White people barely get abortions when theyre legal. its mostly niggers aborting.
>>532769211>The Catholic Church is against condoms and birth control.Jewish propaganda non sense.
>>532768459This is just bad faith whataboutism a smug Redditor who doesn’t actually have any principles would make while smug with a shit eating grin hovering over his cum stained keyboard. He hates the hierarchical system that excluded him and just wants to dismantle it at all costs. He doesn’t care if he is actually right or if people will be better off.To run a society, there must be things everyone takes for granted. The argument should be about how to apply those things.When there is no common moral system, you legit can’t run a society. It quickly becomes a slippery slope as laissez-faire morals create loopholes and encroach towards depravity.If a human life isn’t worth anything in the womb when it can’t speak for itself, then why not the elderly or disabled? Why can’t I perform a 1000th trimester abortion on someone a welfare recipient? He is also a parasite in the same sense as a fetus.Just the fact it is normalized to call a fetus a parasite shows the coming collapse of your society. Tl;dr: do you trust survivorship bias and thousands of years of trial and error even if you don’t understand why every social norm existed? Or do you trust buttfucker9000 on Reddit who says “ackshyually, fetuses aren’t human, women should run society, open our borders to Somali headchoppers, and we should kill off the only tax positive demographic with antinatalism. Here’s 20 critical theorists who agree with me!”Notice they never give historical precedent besides a negative example of Nazis. Everything is just working backwards from an ideology they crafted by doing the exact opposite of everything Nazis did.
>>532769260It’s not a person. It’s reproductive tissue.
>>532769842>le ethical consistency or the world collapsesWe eat meat and jail murderers while philosophy virgins cant define human as different from animal. Its safe to say aborting the brainless “unique DNA” changes nothing. Common morality need not appease “logical objectiv ethics” philosophy nerds. You idiots just fuck dogs or jack off to anime anyways and you never get jobs. You aren’t part of society. You were 4channers before 4chan.
>>532766285Catholic believers are far more secular than their organised religion is.They don't think the state should be involved, and that making it legal prevents states from having to get involved.It's naive but then again they're Catholic.
>>532766285>Catholics, the "no condoms allowed" religion,...Dude. What?
>>532769842Ironically, you respond in a redditor demeanor where you actually ridicule a legit question by creating a distracting strawman from your imaginary high moral ground.
>>532770397>It's not a person so it doesn't matter You kill animals for no reason or without any after thought too?
>>532770680He imagined he was captain picard while writing that rant 100%
>>532769308We have contraception methods that don't involve donating a fetus to the local rabbi's passover supper.No one in favor of abortion can ever explain why the various other contraception methods aren't enough.If you want abortion, it should be ONE time and come with sterilization for the parents.
>>532770624"They don't think the state should be involved, and that making it legal prevents states from having to get involved."So wrong it's almost funny
>>532770805You buy meat at the store?Thought soI farm fish and hunt. Vegans are idiots, by the way, they miss the point of moralsWhich is people communicating survival strategiesIts not even an independent organism. It doesn’t even have a functioning brain. It doesnt even feel. And not aborting unwanted ones burdens society with a bunch of deformed turbo retarded niggers raised by single mothers and orphanages. Strict abortion laws KILL future mothers even if the fetus will die anyways Some moralityThe bible 99% of prolifers reference equates causing an abortion with killing a goat or knocking over an expensive vaseGet fucking real, diogenes.
>>532770858because niggers are STUPID and they will not use those other contraceptive methods because they are STUPID NIGGERSlet the STUPID NIGGERS abort their STUPID NIGGER FETUSES
>>532770858Shit happens and deformed fetuses grow or attach in the wrong spot. Women get raped. Better to terminate a lump of reproductive tissue without a functioning brain. Start your argument when the eyelids twitch and it dreams. Then stop saying “it”. Shut up before that.
>>532768459>jack off>menstrual cycleThese do not produce a unique DNA pattern.>There really is a point where its just cellsAll living organisms are "just cells". After a baby is conceived, he or she has his own unique DNA, his or her own tiny little body with unique genetic code. Propaganda efforts have obscured this simple scientific fact.
>>532770981I know."If it's legal, the gouvernment doesn't have to make a choice on it anymore".A very female way of thinking.
>>532771170>UNIQUE DNA PATTERNOh so we’re making up new gods now?Gotta have your logical objective morality without ever conceding that morals are just survival strategies abstracted for convenient communicationBecause logical objective morals based on totally arbitrary bs like sentience and unique DNA patterns leave room for you getting your ass fucked and dicking your dog I’m sureIf morals are just survival strategies they mostly agree with ol abhrahamFags are diseased, animal fuckers are diseased… poor darwinian fitness detected. Abortion is merely delaying reproductionAnd sometimes guaranteeing it will happen later when it has failed to produce viable healthy offspring the first time, rather than killing the mother or making her raise a useless retard aka you
>>532771149You didn't make a case, you just expected that screeching about nigs is a case. It is not.>>532771162>muh 1/10000 random bullshit happensDoesn't count as a general rule.Baby eaters always deflect to extremely rare corner cases like it's the norm.
>>532766285Why is this a problem? A fetus isn't a person.
>>532771369>new gods now?It's not a religious matter. The unique DNA means the unborn baby has his or her own body, distinct from the mother's body.>morals are just survival strategiesGrow up.>fags>animal fuckerswtf are you even talking about? take your meds.
>>532771440Sorry, but making people carry pregnancies they don’t want burdens society. Especially when the child is guaranteed to be a retard. See: abortions by race. Fetuses are also clearly not people until a point where the brain is fully functional. I dont care about your baby eater satanic panic. Baby eaters have breeding farms. Epstein even had one. You cant do shit about that with abortion laws. You have to stop VOOOOTING and actually eject baby eaters from the country. Lazy VOOOOTER.
>>532766285>Why are Catholics like this?c u c k sthey do what their king in the pointy hat in Rome says.
>>532771609>UH LOGICALLY DNA…Is an acid that can encode for proteinsUnique DNA or same DNA it is brainless tissue and completing disadvantageous pregnancies is disadvantageousYou are clearly stuck on some purely logical ethics retardationI already told others that thats retarded, picardo retardo how unique DNA is is irrelevant. do you think alien gods are measuring it and judging you with the power of science? idiot. its a blob of tissue without a functioning brain up until a pointso is a sperm cell. just organic matter without a functioning brain. but go ahead and go live in a society where fatal pregnancies have to kill and deformed retards have to be made, born, and raised because muh logical ethical principlesfucking pseud
>>532766285>Why are Catholics like this?The Catholic church worships niggers. Abortion kills niggers. Therefore, Catholics hate it.
>>532771667You made zero points against conctraception medications, rather than medieval buthcery to feed your local rabbi this passover.And then you're trying to deflect>no ur the real goy, epsteeeeeeein though!It truly is amazing how that one gentleman's diary entry on Their insincere debate methods always holds true.
>>532771865>unique dna or same dna is the same!is that what your wife told you when you saw "your" son?>logical ethics are retarded!thanks, I think that was all I needed to know, have a good night
>>532771062I hunt and fish too, I don't kill for no reason and neither do you from what I understand.I feel bad if I accidentally run over a cat with my car. A stupid 16 years old hoe feels ashamed when she visits the abortion clinic too.
>>532771609>grow upMorals are survival strategies. Or your believe in a religion with divinely prescribed morals. There is no option C. Growing up is realizing this. It’s why atheists are the biggest idiots. None of them realize relative morals… are relative to the material world and human instinct. Not the principles of liberty and dignity or some OTHER made up shit. Stealing is not wrong because you have to deduce the moral guiding principle. Its because theft degrades organized society. That’s it. Thats why some thefts arent given any fucks as well. Surviving good dying bad. Go live somewhere that makes women bear rapists retarded niglets, downies, and fatal ectopic pregnancies in the name of MUH LOGICAL TROOF you fucking child
>>532766285How does it compare to other groups?
>>532771212What? You want a fucking loicence to abort a trisomic fetus? Is this the dutch man logic?
>>532772040Yes. Logical ethics are retarded. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A RELIGION THERE IS NO UNIVERSAL GOOD OR EVIL. NONE. THERE IS NO MORALITY. ONLY SURVIVAL STRATEGIES AND YOU BEING RETARDED. YOU ACTUALLY DO HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN GOD AND DARWIN. Accept this or go be some “atheists can be moral because we haff logik” faggot somewhere else. All non religious objective morals rest on arbitrary garbage and thought terminating cliches, by preachy pseuds that will die meaningless deaths and be remembered as faggots no matter how right and smart they felt per their “philosophy”.
>>532771440>Le rare unique exemption Do you realize that 10 to 50% of pregnancy fail through miscarriage? That's without counting the failure in reproductive attempts. It's nothing extraordinary really.
>>532772241And if i might addAtomized pseuds. Not one in agreement. Vegans who define eating animals as objectively murder includedAll dying right according to themselvesUncared for by anyone elseNo gods demons or spirits for them, they never believed in them, and they all decided to let that faggot disintegrate into nothing rather than waste the effort of acknowledging such a narcissist who lowered good and evil to what can be defined by mans “power of logic”. There is no more fitting end.
>>532772436>10 to 50% of pregnancy fail through miscarriageI once read that 69% of statistics posted on 4chan are simply made up
>>532767619The mental gymnastics people will go through to kill babies is astonishing. The Catholic Church openly is against abortion and excommunicates automatically anyone who gets am abortion or HELPS someone get an abortion.
Centralised power forces adherence to cultural change.Protestants can maintain opposition to cultural change because their leadership is decentralised. Local clergy are only accountable to their members. Cardinals and Bishops in the catholic church have a lot more social pressures because of media attention.
>>532771880Niggers should stay in Africa and attempt to build their own nation if God wills it. Americans mall church worship jews, literally.
>>532772720>Local clergy are only accountable to their members. Cardinals and Bishops in the catholic church have a lot more social pressures This is an interesting point, but I must point out that it's the protestant churches who have been flying rainbow flags for the past 10 years or more. At least that's the case where I live.
>>532772691>mental gymnasticsin exodus, causing an abortion is a property crime. not a murder. if aborting a brainless fetus is killing a child then you’re hitler every wet dreamnow go live in your magical land where every deformed retarded nigger has to be born, every rapist and incestuous autist gets his genetic participation prize and fatal pregnancies kill
>>532771162Abortion being done because of disease or rape was already legal in most places. Feminists weren't content with that and they pushed it to be no questions asked and financed by the state, which in the end is money from people's taxes. Feminism is a literal baby killing death cult at the service of globalist agendas.>>532770858This. If you get one of those cases of a woman getting serial abortions just because fuck you, she should rather get sterilization therapy. Problem solved, no more abortions, no more population that globalists hate so much.
>In the United States, black children are aborted at four times the rate of white children; Hispanic children are aborted at one and a half times the rate. Whatever the intentions of Planned Parenthood, abortion is eliminating an incommensurate number of minority children.so uhh why are you against this? Are you a libshit?
>>532772838>unwanted children should be born because i can concoct a batshit insane “logical system of ethics” based on arbitrary horseshit like “the sanctity of unique DNA” to serve the conclusion I already came to based on religious nonsense that’s not even explicitly supported by its own scriptureLmfao
>>532766285Because having a child is an ongoing financial responsibilty, and you have to be the kind of person that can give time and affection to a child. Then there are the more obvious reasons, like a woman who was impregnated against her will, not necessarily rape, but just that the male partner wanted kids and didn't run it by the woman before impregnating her. etc etc It's always a more complicated subject than NEETS on 4chan are willing to accept.
>>532772982If they can't take the responsibility they can give up their baby for adoption. The real reason for most abortion is that the young lady does not want to go through the pregnancy, getting fat and being embarrassed by the circumstances when people ask. No one has to die over that shit.
>>532773149Teens literally cannot take the responsibility of raising a kid on their own. Generally speaking obviously.>It's because she gets fatYou know it takes two, right?
>>532773679>literally cannot take the responsibility of raising a kidLike I just said. If they can't take the responsibility they can give up their baby for adoption. I hope the whole conversation won't be like this I hate having to repeat myself.
>>532772802Protestants tend to be both ends of the bell curve. You will note they have the most hardline sects and the most liberal sects. But the size and centralisation of the catholic church means it is forced to adhere to social change.
>>532768133Jews are exceptionally scarred.
>>532766285Most catholics are retards and don't understand the faithThe previous pope being a retard that only sowed confusion certainly didn't help
>>532773910I predict a schism in the Catholic church in the future, maybe 20 years or so. They have far too many empty pews and cathedrals being sold off in the first world, meanwhile Rome's liberal ideals adhering to social change as you say just leave them completely out of touch with the third world where most of their young followers are now. We've already seen splintering even from American bishops.
>>532773804Im far from against adoption but there is also another very simple solution that causes less tragedy and burden on society.
>>532774228>just kill the baby, it's a burden!Abortion should only be done with very good reason. Healthy young ladies who cannot or don't want to raise their babies should let them live, simply give them up for adoption.
>>532766285They're too scared of agreeing with annoying white prots
Catholicism is gay and Catholics are faggots.Anyone who advocates for abortion should be killed by the state.
>>532775170It's literally a burden, we both agree on this, if adoption is acceptable. I just see abortion in the early term as an acceptable, and in the theme of this discussion, legal method of solving an unwanted pregnancy.Should it be a last resort and an undesired outcome? Sure. But it shouldn't be illegal nor normalized. Jesus would judge the moral intention and not the simple act.
>>532766285Catholicism in the U.S is a contradiction
>>532766285Do they mean actual Catholics or were they just citing a bunch of Party City pastors on TikTok?
>>532772946>Le unwanted >He thinks Feminism is not religious at allReminded me of that intro scene of idiocracy. People that intend in planning their children end up never having them.
>>532776749Feminism is about maximizing labor output instead of reproductive output because you can’t outbreed idiots anyways. But you can create a world where you can do away with the inherited disease of stupidity in other ways.
Catholics are just goy Jews. Most Jews are atheists, but they still LARP as followers of Judaism. Catholics just stole that concept and it's the same shit.
>>532766285I am not Catholic, but I hate all religious polling. Most people in the US will call themselves one type of Christian or another, but if you actually filter this by how many people actually practice the faith, go to church, read the Bible, take the sacraments, etc on a regular basis, that number drops to like a fraction. People who nominally claim a religion are a terrible example.All that said, there are exactly zero Catholics who believe in abortion who are not in open heresy of the faith they claim to practice. It isn't something subjective, the stance of the Catholic church is objective. If you don't agree with it, then you are not practicing that faith and/or are heretical.
>>532776330The current United States and the pax americana world are everything that isn't Christian.
>>532777139Aborting is heretical Unless the abortion is recommended by a doctor, so it's literally not black and white.
>>532777080Jesus is king of jews. Inri.
Bad people have abortions.Children of bad people are bad people too.All these muthafuckers are going to hell anyways.
Abortion should be legal even though life starts at conception.Because we don't want the babies of people who would kill their babies.Remember, Christianity isn't individualistic. Less kids corrupted people produce better it is.
>>532777415Where is the ambiguity? Exceptions wouldn't mean that it isn't "black and white", they would be concrete exceptions.
>>532778001>Sometimes, exceptionally, it's okayCan you name concrete exemptions to murder like we do for medical abortion?
>>532778384Once again, I am not Catholic, but don't answer the question with another question. I would exempt for life-threatening to mother only, but those are almost always not viable pregnancies anyways, hence the threat to mother. I think "doctor advice" is too broad, but my point is that it isn't ambiguous, it is still black and white. A person is not practicing Catholicisms if they support abortion.
>>532766285The source is "Catholics for choice" so this is obviously a bullshit poll
>>532778621I'm Catholic, but I have no authority on the matter, nor do I think the church really does. It can provide guidance, but ultimately, mankind possesses the ability to reflect on and repent for their own actions. I believe that most abortions resulting from unwanted pregnancies lead to personal moral consequences, much like birth control, in a way. Regarding exemptions, it goes beyond the safety of the mother. If a fetus has an 80% chance of trisomy or any other disorder, is it okay to abort? What about the extreme case of rape? These are far from exceptional cases, as we are reminded that life and conception also entail death and miscarriage.
>>532766285If they genuinely believe that, they are by definition, not Catholic and are in schism with the Church. Being Catholic means you submit to the Church on matters of morals. The Catholic Church's official position on abortion is that it is intrinsically evil and every step should be taken to irradicate that practice. That it's murder of the an unborn child. Getting an abortion, assisting in an abortion, taking someone to get an abortion, or even just supporting abortion in any form is mortally sinful and cuts you off from the Catholic Church. And this is a solemnly defined moral position, meaning it cannot be changed or overturned.
>>532766285They aren't.Like most statistics this is a lie made up to try to sway your opinion by making you think the majority holds a certain opinion.
>>532766285Of those 63%, how many of them are women?
>>532779511You are not catholicYou've been warned
>>532779511>I'm Catholic>I have no authority on the matter, nor do I think the church really does.Pick one. You can only pick one.>muh rapeWhat about it? What does this have to do with killing a child? Punish the rapist. idiot.
>>532766285Catholics hate god, they hate humanity and they hate everything good, pure and just in the world. They're the Americans of the religious world.
>>532772203No, it's what women say as part of their manipulation strategies.
>>532769542It's not propaganda. It's the purpose of Humanae Vitae promulgated in the 60s as an order to the growing theologians finding no basis for the prohibition. NFP is three only form of birth control Catholics may use, and from what I've seen, it's mimicking draught-binge behavior and is effectively used as contraception.
>>532779862As if this was an extraordinary claim...>>532779945If you like to pretend that the Catholic Church has no tergiversations on the matter, you can go ask a priest how firm the church is on the matter. We are in agreement on the rapist but not regarding the consequences for the victim. There is literally no point to throwing stones if you understand that raising the child with love is impossible and unrealistic.
>>532780669I've read the rest of his posts. He is not even trying too hard to impersonate a catholic.Weird leaf hobby. What is wrong with them, huh?
>>532766285I have never met a pro abortion Catholic and I have been Catholic my entire life. I have lived everywhere from Hyannis Mass to Honolulu Hawaii.
>>532781051I know that Catholics consider the Pope infallible and his word final, regardless of if they agree with it or not. You are fundamentally not a Catholic, by its definition, if you refute this. You are in a state of actual heresy, not being hyperbolic whatsoever.>not regarding the consequences for the victimKilling a child simply creates two victims>here is literally no point to throwing stones if you understand that raising the child with love is impossible and unrealistic.this is your personal preference, not based on anything in your faith. Regardless, adoption exists, there is a waiting list for infants to be adopted in Western nations. Not one infant goes unadtopted, though your argument is invalid anyways, it wouldn't make a difference if they were't. Murdering you child because someone did something bad to you is not part Christianity whatsoever, that is pure, adulterated secularism (satanism).
>>532780669>Uh yes father I've sinned, i put on a condomBetween a priest, a pope and my own heart, I'll follow what's right in the spirit of Jesus which i obviously don't have to invoke this context. If that makes me an heretic so be it (it literally doesn't tho)
>>532766285those aren't catholics
>>532781467Shut up, you weirdo. You are not a catholic. You're probably an indian too.
There's a difference between sin and illegal. You don't go to jail for adultery.
>>532781380I'm sorry but that post is very autistic. I do not care about the pope as I don't interact with him. He's very faillible and again I don't care if that makes me an heretic to you or the clergy (it literally doesn't).
>>532781577Osef de sque tu penses, dégage tu pues
>>532781702Well of course, because the law is not always made with a catholic mindset.And even when it is, there is the question of the application of the law. It ought to be relevant and enforceable. The lives of the innocents are too relevant for an catholic to think legislation shouldn't protect it though.
>>532781702Precisely, this is more on topic
>>532781848You are simply making the point that I stated in my very first comment in this thread. You are not actually Catholic, you reject the very pillars of the thing you are claiming to be. You are a nominal Catholic, just call yourself one when you objectively are not, but your retarded opinion will get lumped into a poll about what Catholics supposedly think about a topic. Hint: I shouldn't know more about the dogma of your faith than you do.
