I'm not a total skitzo that thinks the moon landing never happened. But I mean this shits fake right? I know the moon has way less gravity than the Earth, but how the fuck can a 1 second burn get you to orbit? >The escape velocity from the surface of the Moon is 2.38 km/s (approximately 8,600 km/h or 5,300 mph). This value represents the minimum speed an object must reach to permanently escape the Moon's gravitational field without further propulsionThe acceleration looks fake. The rocket only burns for like 1 second. It looks more like a gun shot than a rocket. We are supposed to believe this thing escaped the moons gravity? We are supposed to believe this thing was going 5,000 mph after that 1 second burn? Its just really sloppy work by Kubrick honestly.
>>532781247Its fake, jewish lie.If you disagree you are jewish.
>>532781247That was the separation charge. The booster is much smaller and constantly burning. Or was, rather.
>>532781247they used a crane.you can see the "test footage" on earth
>532781322>shill doing damage control without making sense, either a nigger/spic or a chatbot
>>532781322Yeh but you can clearly see the rocket burning the bottom part. Then it just disappears. Why would it burn the bottom part and then turn completely invisible? You should be able to see something. Its just floating up. No heat no nothing. > it uses Aerozine 50 as fuel and nitrogen tetroxide as oxidiser. When those two are mixed, they spontaneously ignite and produce thrust.They say its an ignition rocket. Its not a fucking balloon using compressed gas to fart itself up. There should be a fireball coming out or a smoke trail at least. My model rockets from when I was kid even left a trail and had a visible flame.
>>532781285yeah, kike, the greatest White achievement of the 20th century is all just a big dumb "jewish lie, fuck you kikel
>>532781391It seriously looks like a crane is lifting it. It pitches and yaws heavily yet still goes straight up. How is that possible from a rocket? Its definitely possible from a crane we know that for sure.
>>532781247i guarantee if you spent 12 seconds searchign for answers to\ the questions you have, you would already have an answer. You know this and this entire thread is a performative appeal to people as fucking braindead as you are to start the same old thread we've seen here a million times before.You're a fag and suck cock too.
>they start seething because it's obviously fake and they don't know how to lie about it
>>532782097I did. It said there's a fucking Aerozine rocket with nitrogen tetroxide as oxidizer. Like a real fucking rocket. >pic relatedDo you see a rocket burning on the ass end of this fucking thing? Are you blind or just stupid? >durr cause its just really smallTHERE'S NOTHING NO FLAME NO EXHAUST TRAIL ITS JUST FLOATING UP BY PURE MAGIC
>>532781927I'm no rocket scientist, but I'm willing to bet they might not have needed to fire the rocket constantly. If they had a ton of momentum from the separation, they could just minimally burn or only burn when losing speed. And because space has no air resistance and lower gravity, they wouldn't need as much thrust, so a minimal flame. Plus that's a camera recording from the 70s that's been digitally compressed so you're not getting studio quality.
>someone out there might be dumb enough to take him seriously
>>532781247Don't worry. With the new ai fake videos , soon you will believe people went to mars and came back.The moon is be our second home.Just watch the videos.
>i guarantee if you spent 12 seconds searchign for answers on kikeweb hurrrrI accept your concession kike shill
>>532782438they did, it was a special engine that had no throttle and they had to fire once and do everything on that burn. It was a major source of issues that they couldn't fire it multiple times, thus couldn't actually test it was in working order before launch normally.
>>532782060apollo16 lift from moon is the most obvious is a crane . remember they "went" several times. there are three more like the OP video, but they are even worse
>>532782297> It said there's a fucking Aerozine rocket with nitrogen tetroxide as oxidizer. Like a real fucking rocket.Gemini says in the vacuum of space those chemicals burn with an invisible flameThat's why
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>>532781927>My model rockets from when I was kid even left a trail and had a visible flame.Your model rockets had miniaturized solid rocket motors. Almost all the rockets in the last century other than the first booster stage on earth that utilizes SRBs are liquid fuel rockets. Liquid fuel rockets leave basically no evidence that they're running at all unless they're inside atmosphere in specific pressure/humidity conditions. Well other than light I guess, but there's not going to be any visible flame unless something's seriously wrong with the engine.
1) The lunar module engine was made hypergolic to reduce complexity and increase reliability. The landing and return was the dangerous part of the mission. Two reactive chemicals were fired into the combustion chamber using pressurized helium. The descent engine was separate, so it could be throttled and gimbaled. That complexity was left out for the ascent system, which basically just opened two valves so the chemicals could combine. There as no need for a turbo pump or ignition system like the main rocket engines- the ascent rocket motor was as simple as a mentos dropped into a soda bottle. They made it that simple so that any abort during descent would be guaranteed, and so that there was no chance they would ever be stuck on the moon because of an engine that didn't ignite. 2) The lunar module did not need to escape the moon's gravity nor did it. It only needed to gain enough altitude to rendezvous with the command module orbiting the moon, where they docked, then ditched the lunar module. Then, using the moon's own gravity, the command module sling-shot itself around the moon with a short engine burn to a velocity high enough to escape its orbit - using the physics of angular momentum like a merry go round.
>>532781247It's not a 1 second burn.The ascent module burned a mixture of hydrazine and unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine, which burns with a clear flame.In Earth's atmosphere the exhaust is compressed by the surrounding gasses, making it translucent but visible. In a vacuum the exhaust plume expands rapidly and has no surrounding gasses to interact with. Once it clears the descent stage there is nothing for the exhaust to interact with, so you can't see it.Perhaps with a better camera you could see some feint signs of ablative material from the nozzle in the exhaust, but the only way to capture that shot was with the lunar rover's analog TV camera, which had limited resolution.If you watch the full video, you can see the glowing hot engine nozzle when the ascent module pitches over.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGis35Epvs
>>532782297>Do you see a rocket burning on the ass end of this fucking thing? Are you blind or just stupid?The fire you're seeing is from the SRBs which are very dirty technology and blow tons of shit out the ass of the rocket not completely burned and continue to burn as they fall away. That's the cassini huygens launch from the 90s. Here's a video of that same launch. Fast forward to 2:50 to seen when the SRBs detach and shutdown and you get to see the "trail of fire" left behind by a liquid fuel motor. www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Br_aZ5i3cEven a dumbfuck would be able to figure this out. A shabbos goy pushing fake and gay kike mythology on the other hand.
>>532782438>>532782638This is the second stage of the Saturn 5 rocket. Same propellent, zero gravity, no atmosphere, big ass flame shooting out.
>>532782005Jews were in charge of the US in the 60s retard.
>>532781247Just watch this nigger https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KpuKu3F0BvY
>>532783073>>532783188Top kek, look at these pledditors. No, no one sane believe you jews landed on the moon in a clothes rack with cardboard and foil taped to it.
>>532783242>kike pretends to not know how staging and liquid rocket engine startup works to own the chudsthe firmament is fake and gay
>>532783307>no one sane believe you jews landed on the mooncorrect, the paperclip NAZIs landed people on the moon, which is why jews seethe and shill trying to take the achievement away to this day
>>5327820051. It's clearly fake2. Even if it wasn't, rockets are not a noteworthy achievement and no one gives a shit anymore3. "White" is not a real category, but rather a jewish trick to make America forget it is specifically a German/English country
Sorry it isn't some gay energy trail swoosh you can jerk off to. that's life you win some you lose some
>>532783383No one landed on the moon, but even if we go by your theory then those paperclip nazis were prisoners of war by jews. So still a jewish "accomplishment." The slaves that built the pyramids don't get the credit for building it, you dumb fag.
Moon landing hoaxers always have literally zero understanding of basic physics. I wonder why that is.
>>532781322They used a pyro guillotine to cut every system off the bottom of the lunar module - the fuel and descent engine system completely. The hypergolic ascent engine fired at the same time, taking just the upper stage back to meet the command module orbiting above. The seperate ascent stage was used in order to guarantee a trip off the moon. The big worry was that the descent engine may not reignite for getting off the moon - so they created a no fail return engine and left the descent stage behind.
this is real goys and it cost lots of billions, pay more taxes and don't burn warehouses
>>532781247Apollo was a glimpse of a world where Germany won WWII. You're never going to see anything like it again.
>>532781247>sloppy work by KubrickKubrick is a great director and his moon movie mesmerized the masses for many years. Other than that I fully agree with you
>>532783497"we lost the technology"
>>532783447They weren't prisoners of war, they were extremely well-treated guests brought in by the white men. The kikes did nothing but kvetch that von braun wasn't being sent to the nuremberg farce
>>532783526Yeah, I think people are too hard on the moon footage. By 1960's standards all the effects were top of the line, I doubt anyone could have done anything better with the SFX of the day.>>532783554Yeah, no... fuck off you kike.
>>532783572>You are defending a Nazi, you must be a kikehow underfunded is the JIDF that this is how terrible your training has become
>>532781285This, round earth and moon landing is fake, Candance Owens told me
>>532783529>vpnkike accidentally posts the lunar module liftoff from the earlier mission where they fucked up the timing of the pan up and missed almost the entire ascentI'm reporting this to your supervisor. Chaim is not going to be happy about this. -500shekelsinb4 this post is deleted.
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>>532783328>Firmament isn't real.Wernher von Braun disagrees
>>532783408very jew coded post
>>532783627You're not defending any nazis, you pilpulling rabbi, the nazis had lost to the internationalist jews decades earlier.Can you just fuck off with this retarded pilpul now? The US was 100% controlled by jews in the 60s. They paid for and directed the whole moon production, whether you think it's real or fake, their media hyped it up, their educational system teaches that it's real. It's all 100% a jewish event.And fake, of course.
>>532783497What are you expecting to see instead? Like how is it supoosed to look in your mind?
>>532783674>jewish epitaph added to his grave after the fact to smear his legacy supports jewish mythoshuh how did that one happen? The firmament is fake and gay.
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>>532783690>oy vey goyim, we owned your country forever>all your achievements are ours>be demoralised goyfuck off, NAZI science went to the moon and you hook nosed baal worshippers can never take that away
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>>532783683Yeah I have to deal with you guys all day so I speak the language. What does it feel like having the blood of all your enemies flowing through your veins because your women can't help but fuck us?
>>532783738>hurr durr he was just trollingCope on, kike
>>532783764As I said, fuck off rabbi.
>>532783776>jew seethes when you pull back the curtainthe firmament is fake and gay. No amount of dial8ion is going to change that.
>>532783791oh shit, he pulled out a trump imagefactory reset his brain
>>532783769just a large stage, large support structure with cranes and cables
>>532783855Why are there spotlights on "the moon" though?
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>>532781247Jews believe the earth is flat. Nasa dunking on those dumb jews r-right go-.. guys?
>>532783895The moon hoax bs is to distract from real state sponsored lies like the "Holocaust". You're a dupe.
>>532783895>why does the Sun exist?
>>532783984Well, the holocaust is certainly fake, that's true. Good that you at least realize that. But the jewish "moon landing" is of course also fake. Why are there spotlights on the "moon"?
>>532781247There's no atmosphere on the moon. There is no visible "flame".Also there's a mathematical equation here.But basically consider this.Need to lift 100 pounds to space.Therefore, you need a rocket 10 meters tall to accomplish it. But that rocket itself adds weight. So now you need 2 rockets. But the 2nd rocket also adds weight, so now you need 3, and additional stabilization structures. Now you need even more rockets to help lift the weight of those rockets.When it comes down to it, your 100 pounds is standing on top of a giant pillar of rockets. The size of this pillar is directly mathematically proportional to the escape velocity vs. the thrust produced by each rocket. Well on the moon, the escape velocity is way lower. SO much lower. So your "pillar" is exponentially smaller. Consider a rocket on earth might produce 11 m/s^2 of acceleration, vs the earth's 9.81 m/s^2 of acceleration. You will go up, slowly, and painfully. Not only will it take more time, but you need to reach a faster net-speed as well because the escape velocity is very high.Whereas on the Moon, try that same rocket out. Suddenly you're matching an 11 m/s^2 thrust, to a 1.6 m/s^2 acceleration. Instead of a difference of 1.2 m/s^2 you've got a difference of nearly 10 m/s^2. Not only that, but the escape velocity you have to reach is way lower. You won't need a rocket that strong, or even a fraction as strong, you can cut your thrust in half if you wanted and still accomplish the task easily.
>>532781247Did you expect big smoke plume from a small booster in a vacuum? Even with big rockets, you can't see anything like that besides maybe a little bit of flame in the rocket nozzle in space. The gas disperses instantaneously, because there's no atmospheric pressure to keep it in a nice straight plume. If you ever see anything implode from underpressure, it's actually the weight of the atmosphere itself crushing the object. It's crazy strong.
>>532783984>The moon hoax bs is to distract from real state sponsored lies like the "Holocaust"I totally agree with this, except for the part where you think the moon landing is real. That is why they faked it, to be a distraction. The distraction of conspiracies is just a cherry on the cake for them.
>>532783529We did lose the technology. Heavy industry left in the 70's, textiles and auto left in the 80's, and tech in the 90's.That is why the SLS (Artemis) was built using tech from the shuttle program - in fact, the RS25 engines on the SLS for Artemis are exactly the same engines that were used on the space shuttle rockets, going back to the 1970's.The Artemis program is not achieving anything new. We are simply pulling out grandpa's old car from the shed and letting some roastie's and niggers go for a ride in it.We cannot build new tech without industry. We have no industry in this country. The only way we can go back to the moon is with old parts and old plans. The USA has literally lost the capacity to manufacture new space tech.
>>532783242That's the third stage and the J-2 engine hasn't started yet, only the ullage motors.The flame is because the ullage exhaust is getting "trapped" in the interstage below it, creating a localized atmosphere. Plus you've got some residual gasses and ablation going on in the interstage.If you watch the entire video, you can clearly see that once the engine is purged and fully ignited, the exhaust becomes transparent.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMr_AGJprrg
>>532784159>We did lose the technology.This is the most ludicrous idea out there with moon landing people. The level of precision machining in the 60s is available to every jeet with a modern workshop. Their computers were calculator tier, so every zoomer has a more advanced computer in their pocket.Lost the technology, top fucking kek.
>>532784159no one believes this bullshit
Anyone who thinks we went to the moon AFTER seeing all the evidence against it are irredeemable drooling animals. And if not, to then trust NASA that THIS TIME WE DID REALLY GO TO THE MOON, are even dumber than the ones who believe the original because even retards would know not to trust someone who lied on such a grand scale, to your face, for half a century, who goes out of their way to ruin your life if you say it's fake when it obviously is fake.>>532782005>If you say men can't be women then you hate white people and western societyKill Yourself Faggot
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>>532781247>We are supposed to believe this thing was going 5,000 mph after that 1 second burn?Nigger are you fucking retarded?No one, absolutely no one wants you to believe that.>The escape velocity from Earth is approximately 11.2 kilometers per secondDo they also want you to believe that a NASA rocket is going 11.2 kilometers per second in the first second after liftoff?Did you sleep during physics class in high school?
>>532784310>tfw. you will never fly to the magical moon realm in your jewish space hobo shack.
>>532783307What's always bothered me is the orange stain on the exhaust skirts. You can see it in that photo you posted. All apollo LMs show them on the surface of the moon. Aerozine 50 was burned in those RCS thrusters. They only produce orange or rusty red exhaust when fired in an atmosphere with oxygen present. Those orange stains could only have been made if that RCS thruster was fired in the presence of oxygen. They were never tested on earth mounted to the LEM as far as I've been able to determine. I think there is an atmosphere there. Thin and tenuous, but it is there.
>>532781247You think the moon landing happened? I'd say that makes you a total schizo.
>>532784381What always bothered me is the scotch tape. Even if you consneed to the jewish nasa shills that scotch tape is good enough for moon missions, why not just splurge on some screws just to be safe?
There was UFO on the moon watching Apollo 11 the entire time. It was visible in the TV footage. Was probably scrubbed out of the photographs, but they missed the reflection of it in Buzz Aldrin's helmet. In exactly the same place it was seen in the TV footage.
>>532784159>>532784272What we actually lost was the Faustian spirit. We are a highly feminized and risk averse society now.
>>532784577>What we actually lost was the Faustian spirit.I don't really see that at all, you seem more possessed by the devil if there is such a thing than ever to be honest.
>>532784432Weight. Tape weighs nearly nothing. I think it's the Apollo 15 lander, similar photo to the one you posted. You can see where the paint blistered from the heat if the exhaust all over the side of the LM. In a vacuum, exhaust fires straight out the nozzle into space. It would never come in contact with the body of the spacecraft. Yet for some reason it was swirling around the spacecraft. It could only do that if those RCS thrusters were fired in an atmosphere. Those thrusters were fired in an atmosphere. Make what you want of that. You say it was on earth. I say there is atmosphere on the moon. Either way, somebody is feeding us a line of shit.
>>532784813Yeah, you can cope all you want, I'm just not buying it. If you're building a moon hobo shack for infinite jew tax bux from the goyim, you can afford to splurge on some fucking rivets.I will never accept scotch tape on moon clothes-racks, you do you.
>>532784272odd how almost no one knows how to use a slide ruler now huh?
>>532784159sad but true, retards will ignore this
I increased the saturation to bring out the colors a little better. You can see the red and orange stains better now. That thruster was fired in the presence of an atmosphere.
>>532784288how's the weather in okinawa private?
>>532781247Walking on the Moon is the only thing that looks off. I think the walking on Moon should be "lighter" as the gravity if only 1/6 of Earth's. And I have to drag things back to the previous thread: >>532783532 I've watched Die Hard II upside down, but that doesn't mean John McClane was walking on the ceiling for the whole movie or that my TV was upside down.
>>532784934>provides and explanation>uh actually uh, that's uh not whyhow old do you think the earth is?
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>>532783447Norwegian nigger believes kikes built the pyramids. Get fucked, mate.
>>532784934I studied the Apollo mission for 8 years between 2002 and 2010. I was looking for evidence of the moon hoax, operating on the premise that any lie, is a web of lies, that all contradict each other. Like the Holocaust. Each lie exposes another lie. You can't weave a web of lies that big, without the lies exposing each other. I never found that to be the case. I read everything available on the net, which was more then, than there is now. I studied ever photo. I compared photos to simulations I ran with solar system simulators. I found discrepancies, I won't kid you about that. But none of them lead me to conclude a moon hoax. What they lead me to was things like IO just showed you, evidence of things like atmosphere on the moon. That they tell us isn't there. They never told us half of what they found there. They found life there, single celled, but it was life. They kept that from us too. They never told us the whole story.
>>532785265Fingolian vodkanigger thinks there are jews walking around on the moon. Get sober, bro.
>>532783984They were both faked by the very same people retard
>>532781247It's fake
>>532785301>But none of them lead me to conclude a moon hoaxWell, you do you. The spotlights on the moon convinced me it was fake and no amount of pledditor pilpul will change my mind.
>>532782297>THERE'S NOTHING NO FLAMEThere is no Oxygen on the Moon
>>532784159The US has lost a lot of manufacturing capacity, but that's not the core cause of the "lost technology."The Saturn V used lots of purpose-built tooling that was scrapped when the program was canceled. Also lots of highly specialized labor in welding and so forth that was made obsolete with newer technology. Plus all of the electronics are now ancient. Nobody is making those old components anymore, just like nobody is making floppy disks and CRTs anymore.We COULD make a new Saturn V, but it would be extremely expensive to rebuild all that old tech from scratch. It's much more practical to just design a new vehicle from scratch. Unfortunately congress would rather recycle shuttle components to keep contracts flowing to their donors.A good comparison is the Jaguar XKSS. First built in 1957, Jaguar restarted production in 2016.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdllRQjxi0Y
>>532783457I always thought about that part of the mission. You’re putting so much trust in so many tiny pieces of equipment. A simple switch failure or wiring short and now you’re riding out your remaining oxygen on the moon. Or your comms going down for even a planned and routine amount of time. The astronauts must have been borderline insane to deal with that as calmly as they did. So far from home. Or one nerd got a number wrong and it slipped through the cracks, now you’ve missed your rendezvous and you’re going to crash back into the moon at speed.
Its a jewish hoax, a lie to steal money moon landing never happened.If you disagree you are a jewish shill
>>532783497>this is where the money laundering happenedIt was like 1-2 Pennys per dollar at the time. It’s like half a penny now. The laundering was then and is now done in the MIC contractor network. I’d gladly pay 2-3 Pennies per dollar if they were creating as much useful tech as byproduct now as they were then
>>532785524>The astronauts must have been borderline insane to deal with that as calmly as they did. So far from home.Well, they were like half an hour from home tops, maybe a bit more if there was heavy traffic, so that explains why those chubby masons were so calm.
>>532784272>Lost the technology, top fucking kekThis week and Artemis II has permanently forever BTFO that piece of dialup FBboomtard mental-defective cope
>>532785665>picLooks like a blender tutorial piece.
>>532785516>CRTsPerfect example of loss of institutional knowledge and mfg capacity. It's completely within our technological envelope to make more of them but for reasons partially environmental but mostly related to market demand and cost of reestablishing a production line, nobody is making them on anything remotely approaching a commercial mass production level. Trying to explain this to the soft handed kikes who push these narratives is a fools errand however. It's not like they are capable of comprehending the practical constraints of production even at an abstract level let alone the specifics of how things really shake out. For example the one guy on the floor who is so goddamn good at one fiddly gay step of assembly or fitting that he does the work of 4 men while only pushing through one piece that fails QC in any way every couple years. Most people have no idea why production lines can go to shit with a single retirement.
Moonlanding deniers and flat earthers who, after being explained why they're wrong, still vocally cling to their mental illness are beyond redemption. The only fix left for them is being thrown in a woodchipper.
>>532785375I'll tell you how I know It wasn't a hoax. I found an error in a map of the apollo 11 landing site about 2006. There were only 4 people on earth who knew about it. Me and three people that I told about it. Only one of them had enough knowledge about the Apollo 11 mission history to know that I was right. In 2010 NASA released a photo of the Apollo 11 landing site from orbit. It showed exactly what I said would be there. Let's just say somebody at NASA faked that photo. They would have faked it without knowing the error existed, and the photo would have been wrong. But it was dead on correct. That guy who knew, was Eric Jones, of the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal. I told him about the error about a year before that photo was released. Eric contacted me and had me write an article about it the day that photo was released. It was really only me and him who knew about it effectively. That article is still on the ALSJ. I'm telling you anon. I'm not some fucking dipshit making things up, pretending I know when I don't. I was an acknowledged expert on Apollo 11 history. I forgot more about 11 than any of you guys will ever know.
>>532781247Don't be silly. Of course it was fake. Fake as fuck!
>>532785616Notice how high the dust rises from a small rover that isn't going very fast and then immediately falls back to the ground because there is no air to keep it up.
>>532785870Well, I have no idea if they went to the moon or not. All I really know is that the pictures and footage from the moon are fake. It is of course possible that there was a real moon mission going on and then they just faked the footage in a studio for propaganda reasons. I have no way of knowing what is the actual truth here. But to claim that the pics NASA published from the moon are real, then you have to explain why there are spotlights on the moon. In my 20 years of discussing this no I fucking love soience pledditor has been able to explain it.
>>532786012>All I really know is that the pictures and footage from the moon are fakeThis was my point from the OP. I think we landed on the moon. I also think a lot of the footage was filmed in a basement by Hollywood kikes. Its the same thing as it is now with JWST. They have 2 literal jews that work in the "image enhancement" department at NASA releasing fake images of random shit for social media. I've worked extensively with scientific spectroscopy and IR. There are no images. Its just instrument readings. There's lots of useful data to be collected, but the way the computer spits them out is boring as fuck, especially to someone who has no clue what they are looking at. They knew people wanted to see a movie and that's what they gave them.
>>532786012I've seen the spotlight thing. It's inconclusive at best. Back in the middle 2000's Edgar Mitchell had a chat forum on his site. You could go there and ask him questions, he'd answer them. Ed Mitchell was not your average normie by a longshot. If you asked him the right question, he would give you an answer. Not a firm yes or no. He wasn't allowed to do that. He was under a gag order for life. But if you were onto something, he'd let you know it. I posted a couple of Apollo 11 photos of the moon taken from about 10,000 miles away that showed red shading along the terminator at sunrise. I also posted a photo of earth taken during Apollo 11 with the same red color along the shade line at sunrise. I said that both of those red sunrises were caused by water vapor in an atmosphere. Ed Mitchell did not conclusively say I was wrong, he did not say I was right. He said, "good work." In other words, yes that is there. There is an atmosphere on the moon. Those guys were not lying about anything. They were hiding the truth. They wanted to talk, I can guarantee it. But they couldn't. Nobody was going to allow them to tell us the moon is closer to earth than we think it is by about a third, there is atmosphere there, and life forms, and UFOs... and on and on. NASA loves moon hoax adherents. They'll never ask the right questions. Because they don't even believe it happened. So the secrets are safe.
>>532781247I can't believe they were riding in golf carts on the moon in the fucking 1970s and everyone believed it. they were mocking us right in front of our faces.
>>532785778for real dude. People don't understand just how many things we no longer make, and that using new tech substitutes, even if that means rebuilding everything, ends up being cheaper. Like feon in old ACs...cheaper to drop in a new unit than recharge with a old type thats out of production. In amp repair...only one company is making new tubes to the old specs. Recently refab'd an old TK30 broadcast video camera, needed a 3" image orthicon tube...payed out the ass for it since they were superseded by vidicon tubes in the 70s. Nixie tubes, used to be you could buy huge ones....now one outift makes some okay quality medium sized ones. Capacitors with some exotic material... out of luck. How about asbestos car brakes, we lost that tech too. Silent mercury filled light switches? yup lost tech, superior product to what we are forced to use today. Even ancient processes like bell making (jingle bell, not church bells) had to be "rediscovered" after head scratching at some artifact from a dig site. Paint formulations, Lake pigment extraction methods, the list goes on and on and on.... Its not hard to see that tech is lost constantly every day. It must be. I know things my father doesn't, he knows things I don't. This is natural and normal.
>>532786637Take it even furhter: what kind of a grade "A" moron thinks USA and Russia ever were at war?
>>532786466They were heavily doctored. And some weren't released at all. I'll give you an example. Apollo 11 had a closeup camera onboard that took extremely magnified 3D photos of a 1 inch by 1 inch patch of ground. In the Apollo 11 Columbia Module onboard voice recording, Michael Collins asked Neil Armstrong after docking how many photos he took with the camera. Armstrong said 30 or 40. You know how many of those were publicly released? 19. About half of what Armstrong said he took. What are in those photos? Insects, minerals that aren't supposed to be there, gold nuggets? I don't know. All I know is we will never see them.
>>532786466>I also think a lot of the footage was filmed in a basement by Hollywood kikes.>>532785616Explain how a small rover with a top speed of 11 mph can make dust rise this high without leaving a lingering dust trail. How did they pull that off on an early 1970s set with no CGI?
>>532786466>This was my point from the OP. I think we landed on the moon. I also think a lot of the footage was filmed in a basement by Hollywood kikes.Quite possible. I refrain from judgment on that. All I know is that the footage is obviously fake. Occam's razor would dictate they didn't go to the moon, it's a hugely complex operation and I have no real faith in jews accomplishing it, but who the fuck knows.>>532786603>I've seen the spotlight thing. It's inconclusive at bestNo it's not.>bla bla bla bla muh appeals to authorityCool. I don't buy what you're selling, rebbe.
>>532786603Why/how could there be an atmosphere on the moon? An atmosphere is an envelope of gases that surround a planetary body. How is there gases on the moon? Whatever sort of mixture of oxygen/nitrogen/hydrogen there is, how could it exist on a rocky surface such as the moon? Personally i believe the moon is completely hollow, and frankly it could be an artificial satellite of some sort. The coincidence of its size being the EXACT ratio necessary to eclipse the Sun, while also being in the PERFECT position and distance and size from the earth to affect the tidal motions of our oceans.I think they faked as much footage as they could get away with, just like this current Artemis mission. The photos coming out are completely fake.I think we have a secret space program, and yes, there are things out there that they are simply hiding from us and lying about. There is life out there. And we are not being told the truth about it.
>>532786637You say things like that, but why? Why would that be so hard to believe? They made a collapsible folding golf cart and put in in the cargo bay. Why is that impossible? Why wouldn't you do it if it allowed you to cover more ground than just walking around the lander? It could be done. It should be done. Why would you think it wouldn't be?
>>532781247>yeah we had a remote control camera perfectly set to follow the ascent module while remotely sending its video feed all the way back to earth in the 60sWho buys this bullshit
>>532781247its not fake, America threw money at it to win the space race. Russia would have called it fake if they faked it.Russia would have won if they hadn't fell behind, they were planning on a September 1968 moon landing but never got beyond an unmanned translunar orbit, simply because they kept having issues with the launch vehicle.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_crewed_lunar_programs
>>532787088What would be the fucking point of bringing a dune buggy to the moon just to joyride around there for a bit. It's a retarded idea and I bet the kikes at NASA cringe when they think back on it.
been disproven a hundred times. the vietnam war was fake though. never happenedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjFRyfPe62I
>>532783690It was just perfect aim goy, stop being antisemitic
>>532787122>its not fake, America threw money at it to win the space race. Russia would have called it fake if they faked it.The jews who took over Russia with the bolshevik revolution are the same tribe as the jews who took over the US with the federal reserve act. Why would the jewish oligarchy in Russia call out the jewish oligarchy in the US, they had their own fake space program to sell to their goyim population.
>>532787147The Apollo 11 astronauts said it was slow having to lug everything around manually on the moon so they requested a vehicle. Remember this was 1969, like the peak of peak car culture in the US. Everything was about cars.
>>532784432LmaoThe sturdy frame made up of plastic coat hangers is what impressed me most
>>532787235>Remember this was 1969, like the peak of peak car culture in the US. Everything was about cars.Correct. And that's why they added that bullshit to their psyop. But in retrospect I think we can all agree how cringe and retarded that was.
>>532786954Occam's razor is not about it being the simplest or easiest thing, but assuming the least amount of stuff outside of your existing ontological framework. Assuming these pyschos could keep it a secret this long (and that multiple world powers colluded to do so) is more unbelievable to me than space submarines being built and used with the help of exploding chemical. Occam's razor leans towards real. You are incorrectly applying it (through no fault of your own)...its the popular, but wrong, understanding of that heuristic.
>>532787147Why not? They sent people to the Moon in a massive rocket and you think it's beyond the pale for them to bring a little rover with them.
>>532787111>implying they didn't have the vertical viewing angle of the camera attached to the buggy>implying they didn't have the vertical panrate of the camera attached to the buggy>implying they didn't know the planned rate of acceleration of the module after launch>implying they couldn't calculate the angle of incidence on a second by second basis of the module relative to the camera>implying they didn't know when the t-0 of liftoff was going to be of the module>implying rocketry isn't just tons of precise headings being executed at extremely precise timesThem figuring out how to execute a camera move to follow an object lifting off at a known rate of acceleration is maybe the least impressive part of the mission. The only thing that's surprising about it is that they failed on multiple previous missions and that was like the 3rd attempt to get the timing of the pan correct.
>>532787339Well, refreshing to see a pledditor actually caring about the original Occam's razor, but yeah, I did use the colloquial one, since that's the language you pledditors speak.But yeah... all things being equal I think we can agree that it's vastly more likely that jews did in fact not go to the moon, some strange pictures and footage full of inconsistencies aside.>>532787342Well, you do you bro, if you want to believe in moon go-carts and moon golf and all that other jew jazz, then that's your prerogative.
>>532783769>one small tear>insta deathwhat the fuck bros
>>532781247OP
>>532787011I'll tell you how. It's transient. It exists in a thin band that follows the terminator. it's not widespread over the entire surface. Think about it more like a hand on a clock, that moves around the surface. Water vapor and gasses do not move fast enough to reach escape velocity as long as they are sitting in the dark. When the sun comes up, the solar wind sweeps them along the ground and brooms them back into the dark before they an warm up enough to launch into space. So just behind the terminator is the atmosphere. And also a little bit in front of it sitting in still dark craters before the sun rises high enough for the solar wind to sweep those out and send them behind the terminator too. So essentially thew atmosphere is like a slow moving wave, that just keep going round and round forever. If you can picture it. It only spends maybe 20 hours every month on any given patch of the lunar surface, but it is there. A couple of the Apollo landers had mass spectrometers on them. They detected this movement of gasses being blown around by the solar wind just before and after sunrise. But they lied to us and said that the gasses came from the landers, outgassing. That was what was being detected. It was a lie. They wee detecting that slow moving transient atmosphere that follows the sunrise all the way around the moon.
>>532787448Can you answer this >>532786846 The the other retards don't want to address it.
>>532787588Looks normal to me.
>>532787588>Can you answer thisDon't hold your breath, you're not going to get an ontopic response. They'll just insist it's fake or try to change the subject. It's what jews do.
>>532787643Bullshit, you have never seen dust act like that on Earth
>>532787448you are reddit spacing while calling me a redditor...I like the cut of your jib sir. The footage could be fake, 100% believable. Neil and the others might never have gone and used the escape slide, too risky to lose them on a possibly one way trip. Some monarch'd spooks could've done it, before being mindwiped, very believable to me after reading about the MKs and hearing the terrible interviews all the moonwalkers gave. But they put that equipment up there, had to have manipulated it with manpower based on the images, and just demonstrated they could do it again if they wanted.
>>532787732Would depend completely on what the dust was actually composed of. Now you answer why there are spotlights on the moon?
>>532787147The Apollo11 astronauts never got more than about 200 feet away from the lander. Apollo 12 went about 500 feet. The later missions were able to travel miles away and cover more ground. I can't remember which one this is. Apollo 16 maybe. They had gone out to visit a crater about a mile away. On the way back they passed by a set of tracks and talked about it on the radio. One of the astronauts said something like, hey there's some tracks. Then the other one said, I wonder who made those, somebody else is here. Not an exact quote. They always played that up like it was joke. They saw their own tire tracks and decided to make a knee slapper out of it. But was that really what happened? Maybe they did see somebody else's tracks. They never told us what was really going on there.
>>532781247If you imagine that you’re looking at miniature models on a small set it all makes a lot more sense.
>>532787789There aren't, you don't understand how light works.
>>532783690You cant see the footprint cuz its under the thing, duhhh.
>>532787848Ok, but there are and anyone can see that.
>>532785778>the one guy on the floor who is so goddamn good at one fiddly gay step of assembly or fittinghttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/CJOmHRwnyUo
>>532787862Nah.
>>532787907No, see:
>>532787213Who did the allies recruit during operation Paperclip and Operation Osoaviakhim?Who benefits the most from sewing doubt about the Apollo program?I'll let you think about that.
>>532788294>picture of shoe in contact with sandbox>no visible print.....Hollywood(land) Magic!!
>>532788466Are you trying to say that the jewish oligarchs in the US and Soviet are secretly neo-nazi white nationalists?
Early on about 2002, I got my hands on a document. It was a PDF scan of an Apollo 11 report from like a month after the landing. It was titled something like, Preliminary Examination Of Apollo 11 Photography. It was about 6 pages long. It had to do with the quality of the photographs from a pure photography perspective. >composition was good considering the astronauts were not pro photographers>F stop settings chosen were mostly correct.>Most photos were in good focus.Stuff like that. On the very last page the autho noted that in the photos was something odd and unexplained. He said that there were, "shallow trenches," in the surface that rant in most cases the entire length of the photos. Most ran in the north south direction, but some also ran east to west. He seemed top be implying that they were in many of the photos if not all. When I read that, i immediately asked myself, how come I never noticed these things? I've been looking at these photos for months. I never saw any shallow trenches. I went back and looked at the pictures I had again. There were no fucking shallow trenches in the photos. There might have been at one time, but they were retouched out. They're not in there now. I don't know what made them, the guy who wrote the report didn't either. Either way, they're gone. I never saved a copy of that report. I wish I had. But I wasn't that deep into it at that time. And in 2002 we still hadn't fully grasped the idea that all this shit wouldn't always be here. Some of it, actually in hindsight, most of it, would be gone within 5 years. I know that report exists. If I lived in Houston next to the Manned Spaceflight Center, I could probably find it in their library. But that's just not going to happen. It's the reason I gave up. I already read everything on the net. If I was going to go any further, I had to go to Houston, but that wasn't an option at the time.
>>532788533>no visible printBecause the landing gear thing is still sitting there. The footprint wouldn't be visible either if the foot was still there.
>>532787147holy shit that thing is MASSIVEi never knew it was that big
>>532788538no, I'm saying that Jewish supremacists don't like that the golems went to the moon, so it must be "fake".
>>532788615Come on...
Dude who has never been on the moon:>umm this looks fake, not accurate!!!!
>>532788652But the moon landing was a 100% jewish project, funded and managed and propagandized by the jews who at that point had all the control in the US. So that makes no sense.
>>532788695Why would Jews want you to believe we went to the Moon so bad? What do they gain from it?
>>532788665Damn fine piece of equipment there. Damn fine.
>>532788809No clue, you'd have to ask them. All I know is that they're really invested in trying to make me believe jews are travelling to the moon. I mean, that should be obvious to you, the whole jewish popular culture and education they force on the goyim tell you moon jews are real.
>>532781247It was a generation of real men that no longer exist and perhaps never will again.
>>532788809Shut up jew
>>532788695no it wasn't, the Jewish oligarchy hadn't been in control of the US since WW2, they were starting to regain control around the time of Nixon which is why the Apollo program was cancelled on his watch.
Apollo means to decieve/to lie in Hebrew The jews are laughing at you for believing their moon landing lie
>>532788695If it was they would never stop bragging about it and would have already made 109 movies to glorify themselves.Instead they make Hidden Figures to try and rub off some of the prestige of white achievements onto minorities.
>>532788944>the Jewish oligarchy hadn't been in control of the US since WW2Top kek, yes they were. You need to stop making excuses for jews.>>532789025The fuck are you talking about, the jews are bragging about their moon faggotry all day long. Not a day goes by without them parading their moon nigger stories to pledditors as the greatest thing since sliced bread.I open the newspaper today and I see a chubby jewess "astronaut" on the front page, being lauded like some sort of her.Fuck off, jew apologist.
>>532788856You never even considered why faking the Moon landing is so important to Jews? You seem so convinced of it, but when you asked you can't come up with a real motivation.>>532788871Answer the question tard
>>532788565you can't trust triangulating the photos to determine spotlight or not anyway, film could've been bent when photo taken, barrel distortion, etc. and the fall off can be lens vignetting or uneven chemical development. Even the video/film you can't triangulate either because it would've been "telecine'd" meaning projected then rerecorded, (which was very common in TV broadcast culture, thats how shows and movies which were on film were transmitted to a 2" tape before being aired or sent cross country via microwave. Old tech, but there are artifacts that will happen. Plus on B&W broadcast tube cameras, you have these black halo effects around bright objects because you are basically saturating the "sensor". Thats why "TV Yellow" colored guitars were so popular back in the 60s. They looked white on screen without creating that black halo artifact. Doing forensic work on this stuff, measuring degrees and lux is pointless without access to the original signal chain and capturing equipment.
>>532789098your own chart shows why Nixon was a very good goy.
>>532789107>You never even considered why faking the Moon landing is so important to Jews? You seem so convinced of it, but when you asked you can't come up with a real motivation.Well, I'm just speculating, but I assume it's part of their "I fucking love soience" type religion that they spread to the pleddit masses. Their degenerate materialist religion for the plebs.>look we can accomplish anything with our satanic baby eating practices you don't need any spiritual values goy>eat the bugs and live in the pod to save the climate>soience will save usetc.But that's just me speculating. As I said, you'd have to ask them why they push this shit on the goyim. Which they obviously do, not even you can deny that. Even if you disagree that the jews were in charge of the US in the 60s (LOL) you have to agree they are fucking in charge NOW... and what they push through their media and their education of the goys is sci-fi moon faggotry non stop.
>>532781247>I'm not a total skitzo that thinks the moon landing never happened. >>But I mean this shits fake right? OP is a complete liarThey use this tactics all the time
>>532781285>Its fake, jewish lie. >If you disagree you are jewish.Fuck off, shitskin
>>532782097>guarantee if you spent 12 seconds searchign for answers to the questions you have, you would already have an answer. You know this and this entire thread is a performative appeal to people as fucking braindead as you are to start the same old thread we've seen here a million times before. >You're a fag and suck cock too.Exactly
>>532786603>red Magnetic red/blue North/South shift; birds take advantage of it for migration.
>>532781927>My model rockets from when I was kid even left a trail and had a visible flame....in atmosphere.
>>532789289Let me guess, you believe in magic Jews
>>532789289https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3nJlsuQ30Vgpedivores have been behind "I hecking love soience" for a long time. Arthur c clark fled to sri lanka to have easy access to house boys. It is a religion, its disturbingly common
>>532789507No, I believe jews are a diseased and dysgenic people who rise to power due to their genetic psychopathy through the naivete of their goy cattle like you.
>>532789098I'm clearly talking about Apollo and so were you.
>>532789605Yes? The jews took over the US in the 1910s, ousting the last of the previous anglo oligarchs from power.
>>532788294Moon gravity is about 1/6th of earth. The LM's weighed 32,000 pounds fully loaded. So effectively 5,300 on the moon. Less than that actually because the decent fuel was nearly exhausted. But we'll say 5300. Those pads look to be about 2 feet in diameter. There are four of them. About 450 square inches X 4 = 1800 square inches. PSI, pounds pr square inch of downward pressure would be about 3 pounds per square inch. That's not much. You wouldn't expect those pads to hardly sink in at all. The footprints I don't know. I don't know how big the shoes soles were. But you could probably work that out too. One thing NASA doesn't like to talk about is that there is a crust on the top of the soil similar to what you might find in a plowed farm field after it rains and dries. That crust would prevent penetration as well. Ans some of the areas were softer than others, the astronauts reported that. But back to the crust for a minute. Soil crusts form in one of three ways:>Impact by raindrops>Cementation, water and cementing agents in the soil>Biological, living organisms cement the crust togetherWe know it doesn't rain on the moon. We know the surface is dry. What's left? Biological. That's why you never heard about the soil crust. It was actually discovered in 1966 by the Lunar Surveyor landers and was kept a pretty tight secret for obvious reasons. Nobody but the Apollo geologists knew about it. And it's still a secret today. Why? Because it tells you there is life present there. There is no other explanation for it. They brought those life forms back to earth in the soil. I'm sure they studied them intensely. But they never told you about it.
>>532789655Yeah it's pointless to reply to you if you're just going to keep pretending not to understand.
>>532781247Everyone watching knows that's stop motion but most just pretend it isn't
>>532789723Well, my impression was that your argument was something like that the jews are somehow at odds with moon stories... but as I point out, jews are the ones who constantly claim this is some sort of great accomplishment through their media and educational systems.
>>532781927>My model rockets from when I was kid even left a trail and had a visible flame.Its hypergolic fuel and is being burnt in a vacuum outside the atmosphere. Its a very very clean flame and it spreads out fast, as there is no atmospheric pressure to keep it collimated as you expect to see from your in-atmosphere model rockets. Here's a clean hypergolic rocket test being fired in atmosphere (so far more visible trail than you would get exo-atmospheric):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnG8BplqVRM
>>532787809>Maybe they did see somebody else's tracks. Wasn't that bicycle tracks?
>>532781247I am somewhat inclined to believe some of the footage is fake for certain intuitive or delusional reasons, or even just for the fact that it makes the people who take everything at face value mad. Just doesn't look right. But I still believe they went and that it is possible to go again as much as it is possible for there to be cars on the road or ships on the sea.
>>532789795the jews aren't the ones claiming its a great accomplishment, they're the ones claiming its fake.
>>532789795Your argument was that Apollo was 100% jewish, I pointed out that if it was they would constantly gloat and self aggrandize, instead they make movies trying to pass it off as the achievement of black women.
>>532789154What do you know about photo retouching, just curious? I found these things in a lot of apollo photos. Roughly egg shaped. Looks like an overlay. I think what they were doing was taking pieces of photos out and overlaying them over the next phot in the series similar to how you restore old Hollywood movies. You can take out a scratch in a frame by overlaying a segment of the pervious or the next frame on top of the damaged area, if you get what I'm saying. today we do it with computers. Back then it was all hand photo lab work. I think they were hiding things using that technique, or something like it. For some reason they're almost always egg shaped, and I don't know why.
>>532783769>>532789678the crust thing is interesting, it does kinda look like they are sometimes on top and other times sink into surface more. Like breaking through ice crust over snow.
>>532789879>the jews aren't the ones claiming its a great accomplishment, they're the ones claiming its fake.Well, that's simply not true. The jews run the media, they run entertainment, and they run the educational systems. They're the ones claiming it's real. You seem very confused and suffering from some sort of delusion.If the state, media, entertainment industry and the educational system claimed the moon faggotry was fake, then you'd have a point. But that's the opposite of reality.>>532789881They do that.
>>532789965>If the state, media, entertainment industry and the educational system claimed the moon faggotry was fakeyou mean like it is?moon landing hoax is the normalfag "conspiracy"
>>532790062Well, you can pilpul until the cows come home, Schlomo, have fun with that.
It was a total farce and 100% fake. There has probably been successful launches to the moon, and there MAY have even really been humans on the surface of the moon, but the footage that was broadcast in the 60s was 100% Jewish, fake, and gay. You'd have to be retarded to believe it.
>>532790107>says the well poisoning kikeyeah go jump in an oven
>>532790197>noooo, mason jews on the moon is real>just like I saw on my jewish TV show>and like Ms. Shekelbergstein told me in school>if you don't believe in moon jews>y-you're the j-jew
>>532786846It's sand.
>>532790126>and there MAY have even really been humans on the surface of the moonNot impossible I guess.>but the footage that was broadcast in the 60s was 100% Jewish, fake, and gay. You'd have to be retarded to believe it.Yeah, it's ridiculous.
>>532790126Also it is perhaps the #1 most shilled topic on the entire internet. Post anywhere at any time even the slightest skepticism and entire legions of shills will descend upon the topic in minutes flat and start flooding it. On YouTube there's the same shills who have been arguing that the moon landing was real for 10+ yrs now in some comment threads. There's absolutely no way anyone sane would do such a thing. They're glownigger fedslaves who dedicate their entire lives to this one particular topic. They're strange almost inhuman creatures, living in a 1BR apartment in D.C and spending 100% of their life scouring the internet to defend NASA narrative.
>>532789678"Topsoil" Lunar dust is from ejecta which clumps together because it has essentially no weathering of the sharp edges, it would also be much thinner in the area directly around the lander due to the engine plume
>>532790255says the jewish supremacist
>>532790321Yes, you are correct, the glownigger shills NASA have for this shit have some sort of life tenure. What a sad and hollow existence.They're really pissed about this place too, because they can't just ban people who talk back badastronomy style like on pleddit. So here they have to flood threads with flat earth shit instead.
>>532789958There's all kinds of shit NASA never talks about. They always like to tell us, nothing can survive on the moon. if you wanted to sterilize something, send it to the moon. everybody has heard this line of crap. Here's the truth of the matter: Apollo 12 landed right next to Lunar Surveyor III. The astronauts visited it and took off a bunch of parts and brought them back to earth for study. One of the parts was the TV camera. The thing had been sitting on the moon for almost 3 years. When they broke it open back on earth they found a living bacteria in it. Streptococcus mitis. They figure somebody assembling the camera coughed in it and deposited the bacteria into the camera. it went to the moon and stayed there almost 3 years, and came back alive. Yet they will tell you, nothing can live on the moon... when they have a bacteria that lived 3 years on the moon. But that was never told to hardly anybody. The people at NASA who say that probably don't know that bacteria existed themselves. There's just so much they never told us. But if you read all the documents you can put the bits that did get out, and piece the information together, and get a picture of what actually happened. I wish more people were doing what I did. I know there still incredible stuff to be found in the reports. Some of it is there, but it's all hidden, buried, never spoken of in public.
>>532790316>Not impossible I guessI personally doubt it but I'm willing to entertain the idea. But yeah moon landing footage is fake as shit. It's like the ultimate litmus test to see whether someone will trust their own eyes and intuition or whether they will simply accept any narrative forced onto them with enough authority. If you can be convinced of the moon landing footage you can be convinced of anything. The greatest argument is to just watch it, watch the actual official footage and tell me with a straight face that you believe what you're seeing is ACTUAL footage of human beings on the surface of the fucking moon. Like be entirely serious with yourself.
>>532787339This is the final line of logic, that no matter how obvious it is that it's fake, you people presume that if it is fake then that means every grade school teacher was in on it and that can't be true because someone would have blabbed. Actually it's very obvious how it would be kept under wraps, because only a handful of people knew it was fake to begin with. All those NASA engineers sitting in front of computers with telemetry data and shit? They wouldn't know if it's real or not. They don't need to know. They should be aware that they could be reading data from a simulation, and I'm sure many are aware that was a possibility deep down, but they'd never say that because they'd be called retarded, crazy, delusional, schizophrenic, anti science, or a commie spy. Then there's the very obvious method of keeping it under wraps: getting rid of people involved, and/or blackmail. Epstein files prove that blackmail works like fucking magic. Besides, the evidence again speaks for itself, and the "how" or "why" is ultimately fucking irrelevant, and just because you can't answer that doesn't mean to just fucking forget the obvious truth that it's fake, it means to figure it out afterwards when the gulliotines are prepped in the town square.
Haha, look at that stupid shit.
>>532790515>It's like the ultimate litmus test to see whether someone will trust their own eyes and intuition or whether they will simply accept any narrative forced onto them with enough authority.Yep, it's the same type of people who will wear gimp masks and inject experimental drugs because some jew on the TV told them there's a dangerous plague going around that no one can see happening in real life.
>>532781247The Apollo program started in 1919 subsequent to the treaty of Versailles, which forbit Germany to have artillery, but not self-propelled missiles.This kicked off the development, in which the military establishment fostered a scene with enthusiasts who quickly gathered and started experimenting. There was an entire rocketry scene with thousands of nerds organizing in clubs and discussing methods in how to get to the moon. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Rakete_%28Zeitschrift%29They figured out most of the theory by 1928, see the movie "Frau im Mond" (1929) by Fritz Lang, which was a fictionalized summary of the research. Subsequently the professionalization started. What was missing from that point onward was the practical part with experiments and suitable materials, as well as the capital and a concrete use case.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFGATob5w5cThe military hired the best ones and gave them free reign. They implanted the motto that civilian and peaceful space travel necessarily has to go through the military, because they are the ones with the capital & concrete need for rockets strong enough to reach space.The enthusiasts accepted and started turning their theoy into practice. NASA was essentially the 2nd coming of the Peenemünde research facility and 50 years after their first experiments the enthusiasts around Wernher von Braun actually did it.Bottom line is they spend so much time, money and brain power on this project that it's much more likely they went to the moon than not.
>>532789879Yeah those dastardly Jewish conspiracy theorists trying to thwart the powers that be...
>>532789949If you are developing a film negative, you can manipulate the negative itself to achieve effects if you know what the image is. If you are making a print, i.e. taking the developed film negative, using a light and projecting it on a paper you can maniuplate it there. Repeating egg shaped pattern? could be from the development process itself, if the chemicals don't move, or a bubble happens when you slip it into the tank, it fucks shit up. Additionally, yeah its not hard to perfectly match grainsize in a negative and "patch in" a second image in a way thats impossible to detect on the printed image itself. If these photos were scanned later it could be flaws in the printing paper itself showing up, or mold (very common in old photos). Or someone sneezed on the scanner and its literally the same egg shaped flaw on all the images you saw because it was same snot piece that was on the same scanner. I know nothing about the equipment used or the chemical processing involved, or the way it was preserved, or the method you saw the images. I do know that you really can never trust any image, captured in any way, at anytime on its own. Its very easy to fake things undetectably. Even stupid tricks like painting a pane glass in front of the lens then shooting the image....now you have castle in a empty field. But back on photoprocessing. There are so many ways to create artifacts, could just be how that particular silver formulation with that particular acetate, with that particular bromine/iodine acts. And maybe it only acts like that if the room is 60 degrees, or if the guy developing is sweating or uses X soap, or it reacted with his cologne, or the local water is too hard, or too soft or contains trace whatever. You just can't know without access to the entire process, the equipment, chemicals, etc etc....and even then, you'd be guessing since you can't have access to the exact undeveloped film they used since they already used it
>>532790559Well said. The entire conspiracy could be pulled off with only a very limited number of individuals knowing. And the reddit idea that it's somehow *impossible* for a secret of such magnitude to be kept under wraps has been completely and utterly and permanently BTFO'd by the Epsstein situation. That's the real reason they tried so hard to shut it down. Because once the populace realizes the scale and size of the deceit, they will start to question other matters, which they do not want obviously. For me the real question is why would you just inherently trust any official narrative when time and time again it's been demonstrated how deep the lies go.
You have to be literally Down's Syndrome to believe the Jewish fairy tale bullshit about giant colorful pretty marbles floating in the sky and doing complex dances and collisions with and around each otherIn Jewish synagogues they teach their children the Torah model of earth which is obviously flat and as such there is no cosmos man can step onThe only places one can be in are: inside the dome on the surface, in the depths/abyss of the earth/sea, in the waters above the dome, or in heaven.Anything else would be getting into whatever is outside the simulation which for our purposes is pointless as it is not "physical" in the sense we understand it (ie matter vibrates at different frequencies out there and is incompatible)
>>532790712you don't even have a foreskin, you're their slave.
>>532781247>I'm not a total skitzo that thinks the moon landing never happened.Because it never did, you mutant.
>>532783408>germoids think they are founding stockswarthy ass huns are not heritage American
>>532783500Apollo happened in the world where Germany lost, in the country that beat Germany
>>532790758You know nothing about my penis.
>>532790343Look to the right of Aldrin's bootprint. You'll see the broken pieces of the crust. They completed the coverup of the crust after apollo 12. The Apollo 12 astronauts took some photos of the crust that was seen by Lunar Surveyor. The same sort of thing you see in the bootprint photo picrel. Some bullshit artist at NASA just claimed that it looked to him that they were not thin sheets, like a crust. But rather chunky blocks. So the crust doesn't exist, problem averted, no need to tell anybody about it. It was bullshit, coverup. Anther thing they never mention is that Armstrong, Cernan and Schmidt all had allergic reactions to the lunar soil when they breathed in the dust after the EVAs. They got stuffy noses. You don't get allergic reactions that present like hayfever from tiny chips of inorganic rock. You get soil allergies from polen, mold, spores, bacteria, biological material in the soil. They never talked about that either, but it happened. So much bullshit.
>>532790862post foreskin faggot
>>532783690Motherfucker you literally had the survivors from the lunar mission giving firsthand accounts of their trip. You idiots will make a conspiracy out of literally anything.I bet you think the Dust Bowl was some elaborate scheme as well
I'm so tried of retards ruining everything. There needs to be an IQ test to use the internet.
>>532790935>you literally had the survivors from the holocaust giving firsthand accounts of their tripk
>>532787470>what the fuck brosMovie set.
>>532790992I meant to say the astronauts, idiot.
>>532790933Hah you wish, gayboy.
>>532790559Not what I'm saying. Yeah of course it wasn't thousands of people, but even tens of people and they leak. Klaus Fuchs gave the russians nukes, very few people had access to that data...but it leaked. even if say.... 20 living USA, Russian, Chinese, UK, Japanese agents (meaning each country) were required to keep their mouths shut to run the farce.....thats 100 people...someone would leak. We aren't that good at picking reliable people or people who will stay blackmailed indefinitely
>>532791086I don't trust astronauts.
>>532781391In the media industry it's just called using B roll footage: you just mix the actual relevant real footage in with some other plausible stuff because of the technical and timing difficulties of getting the right shot.You could see this in the Artemis flyby too: when the vehicle was out of contact they just supplemented with cgi instead of just a blue screen with no feed.Doesn't mean the scenario was fake, but the presentation is mixed with false images.
>>532790752>You have to be literally Down's Syndrome to believe the Jewish fairy tale bullshit>In Jewish synagogues they teach their children the Torah model of earth which is obviously flatYou just proved you're a literal retard by your own logic
>>532781247why would anybody think the landing was faked? lol
>>532791114No one has leaked the false flag details of 9/11? I mean, I assume you're not nuts and think boxcutter arabs did it?
>>532791210Have you ever actually watched the official footage? It's faker than a 3 dollar bill
>>532791158I cannot possibly fathom being a flat earther. How fucking dumb you have to be to believe something that can be disproven in your backyard with a stick and a camera.Also, what the fuck difference does it even make IF the earth is flat or not? Literally what does it change? You are still just an insect in this life
>>532790887They breathed in sharp particles that physically abraded the cells, they did not have an immunological response
>>532791210Low IQ people believe stupid things
>>532791242>Have you ever actually watched the official footage? It's faker than a 3 dollar billi sure did, nothing about it looks fake. got an example of what you think looks super fake?
>>532790718There's kind of a problem with perspective when you move an element of one photo to another though. If you or the object was moving between frames, you have a perspective that won't match up. i think they were using some sort of lens that could distort the perspective so it would match the next frame. You would probably need a set of hundreds of these glass prisms, one degree this way, 4 degrees that way, and so on in order to do it. You get the distorted image, photograph it, print it, overlay it. I think that's what they were doing. And I think these prisms were egg shaped. Maybe it was harder to detect the overlay than if it was perfectly round or perfectly square. That's the theory I always had. I think that's what they were doing. Wish I could ask you more. Gotta get some sleep. Thanks.
>>532791262Flat earth is a psyop NASA shills employ to make people who don't believe their fake and gay moon landing look bad. Whenever you discuss the moon footage anywhere, flat earth people will instantly arrive and start sperging out, and then the other NASA shills focus on them and their bullshit instead of the real discussion. It's a form of guilt by association and poisoning the well that jews often use in their pilpul.
>>532790935the MKs proved you can make certain select persons believe they did literally anything you want via implanting false memories.
>>532791285yeah i know right? only a retard would think its fake.
>>532791336flat earth is just jews practicing judaism.
>>532781247>Uhh where's the rocket flameThey aren't burning fuel retard. They are mixing two chemicals that when combined they create a lot of pressure, which is the only way to "burn" on a vacuum. >But the crew, module and fuel weight tonsThe entire thing weights 1/5 of what it would on earth, so it doesn't weight much at all. >Lol who's controlling the cameraThe camera tilting up was done by mission control with a 3 second delay.>How did they pinpoint the dish to earth if it's so far away Math, the dish is on the gyroscope, with precise earth coordinates, the thing keeps rotating at the exact speed as the earth moves away Being dumb as rock isn't proof that it didn't happen.
>>532791336A lot of Moon landing deniers are also Flat Earthers. That should tell you how "informed" the average denier is.
>>5327912244 guys could've pulled that off, one to recruit the bagmen, one to drive the planes via remote (tech already existed and was tested on passenger planes), one to drop the pristine passports in the rumble. Thats way easier that a production with special effects, props, actors, irl components like watching it take off from florida, etc. we'd be talking hundreds of people minumum.
>>532791283Here's the problem with that. Cernan and Schmidt went on 3 EVAs over the course of the mission. Schmidt's mild symptoms cleared up after the first exposure. Cernan's declined with each exposure. They were developing an immunity to it. Taken with loads of other facts that point to life on the moon, I have no doubt it's there. Did you that the Apollo 11 soil core sample had a poison in it so toxic, it killed every plant species that was brought into contact with it? 6 months later, they ran the tests again and the toxin was gone. It was not radiation. Whatever it was, it died, or evaporated, or broke down in some way in 6 months. Supposedly, they never figured out what it was. If you believe that shit.
>>532791465They are two completely separate ideas that have very little overlap. Polls and studies show 20-30% of the population realizes the moon landings were fake. Flat earthers are like 0.0001% of the population or something.The only reasonable explanation for why every thread about the moon landing being a hoax is instantly filled with endless flat earth proponents is that NASA hires people to post flat earth bullshit to poison the well.
>>532791522just ask yourself:>why didnt pentagon release the footage of the 9000 cameras that recorded the plane hitting the pentagonwanna guess the answer?>because the plane was fucking empty and people would see that on the video footage
You guys cannot possibly believe that NASA has never had anyone on the moon
>>532791522Well, no one sane denies that shit has been sent up in space, there are satellites and shit there.The question is whether the jews actually went and landed on the moon to ride around in dune buggies and play golf.
>>532791637so what happened to all of the passengers on the planes genius? I guess their families are in on it too? They are acting and lying about losing their loved ones in a plane crash?
>>532781247>can a 1 second burn get you to orbitYou can see it blow downwards on the way up.
Let's do the math.First of all, what is "thrust"?Mass shoots out the back of the rocket. Through Newton's law, momentum is conserved. So the momentum imparted onto the rocket is the same as the momentum imparted onto the ejecta. Let's say -- at time T1, the rocket has velocity v1, and mass m1.-- at time T2, it ejects some mass out the back. The rocket has mass m2, velocity v2, and momentum p2. The ejecta has mass delta-m, and leaves out the back at velocity 've' although keep in mind that's relative to the rocket.Let's do it in a vacuum so we ignore force of gravity. Assert the net-momentum at time T2 is the same as the net-momentum at time T1(net-momentum at T1) = (momentum of the rocket at T2) + (momentum of the ejecta at T2)m1*v1 = (m1 - [delta-m])*(v1+[delta-v]) + [delta-m]]*(v1-ve)ve*[delta-m] = m1*[delta-v] -[delta-m]*[delta-v]If you know calculus, you know what happens next. Assume a very small time interval, such that delta-m and delta-v both go to 0. You'll find the [delta-m]*[delta-v] term goes to 0 way faster, and can be crossed out.therefore: ve*dm = -m*dvThis is a differential equation known as the "rocket equation". Remember that mass is a function of time, not a constant.
>>532791702>so what happened to all of the passengers on the planes genius?definitely didnt die in a plane crash hitting the pentagon, thats what.
>>532791747For our purposes, we want to know how much mass is required to achieve a certain final-velocity. (1/m)*dm = -(1/ve)*dvIntegrate both sides between time t0 and tfln(mf/m0) = -(1/ve)*(vf-v0)Let's say mf is the final mass we want to deliver. m0 = mf*e^(vf/ve) Of course all of this was done assuming no gravity pulling us down. When you do that. the equation changes. ve*dm = -m*dv divide both sides by dt-ve*(dm/dt) = m*(dv/dt) = ma = FThe force we exert is equivalent to our mass burn per time. The force pulling us down is "mg"F-net = -ve*(dm/dt) - mgsolvingm*(dv/dt) = -ve*(dm/dt) - mgdv = (-ve*(1/m)*(dm/dt) - g)*dtintegrate both sides between t0 and tfvf-v0 = -ve* ln(mf/m0) - g*(tf - t0) assuming v0 = 0, and t0 = 0m0 = mf*e^(vf/ve)*e(g*tf/ve)So in this case, the final mass of our rocket depends on the time our mission takes. If we burn all the mass instantly, in one giant explosion and send our mass to its final velocity instantly, the most we can get away with is a mass of: mf*e^(vf/ve)But if, as expected, our mission takes some time, we have to discount that amount by an additional factor: e(g*tf/ve), and thus our initial mass must be even greater. Of course this was assuming a constant gravitational acceleration: g, in practice as we leave earth the acceleration gets lower. So instead of "mg" we should have plugged in a more proper term "GmM/r^2", but integrating that for time looks like absolute hell. You'd need some method of approximation since it can't be solved exactly. Anyway, you'll find the discount factor: e(g*tf/ve) to be somewhat less than this.
>>532791780Anyway using our simple-solve let's see comparatively how much total-mass you'd need in one gravitational environment vs another. In gravitational environment AInitial mass required = MAGravitational constant = gAfinal velocity = VAtime of mission = TAVelocity of exhaust = veAAnd repeating the same naming system for gravitational environment B as wellMA/mf = e^(VA/veA)*e(gA*TA/veA)MB/mf = e^(VB/veB)*e(gB*TB/veB)Now let's take typical values for a typical trip off the earth.Velocity of low earth orbit is 7800 m/s. Not far off from escape velocity which is 11300 The velocity of propellant comes anywhere from 2000 m/s to 4500 m/s. Let's just assume a high end of 4000 m/s. The gravitational constant of the earth is 9.81The time of the mission is typically 10 minutes to reach low-earth-orbit. -------------------Plugin values. The first term: e^(7800/4000) = 7.028The second term: e^(9.81*600/4000) = 4.356For a total multiplier: 30.614You need the rocket to be 30x the mass of the payload, minimum. Keep in mind this is very ideal conditions. Now let's plug in the values for the moon.Velocity of moon orbit is 1022 m/s. Velocity of propellant. Let's use the same 4000 m/s as before, but also try it with like 2000 m/s and see where that leaves us. Gravitational constant of the Moon: 1.62 m/s^2The time of the mission, assume the same 10 minutes as the Earth-launch before this.-------------------Plugin values. The first term: e^(1022/4000) = 1.291The second term: e^(1.62*600/4000) = 1.275For a total multiplier: 1.66You only need 60% of the weight of your payload to deliver it to orbit. ------Calculating a second time using lighter fuel, only 2000 m/s this timeTotal multiplier: 2.71You would need almost 2x the mass of your payload in terms of rocket fuel. So you see, in practice, lifting off the Moon requires tremendously less fuel, and a significantly smaller rocket.
How do you get embers without oxygen? They should instantly snuff even if the rocket engine was feeding them oxygen at the source (it wasn’t)
>>532791615Flat Earth like Moon landing denial is constantly spread by ignorant people that don't understand what they're talking about. Given how gullible and retarded the average person is now it wouldn't surprise me if flat Earthers were a good chunk of the population.
>>532791838nope.
>>532791747>>532791780>>532791818Thank you for your input, ChatGPT. Now, can you give me a recipe for tiramisu?
>>532791838That's the foil of the lander being blown off by the thrust.
>>532791747>Let's do it in a vacuum so we ignore force of gravity.Absolute retard
Yeah I'm starting to think this space shit is hella fake.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c680c4E45aI
>>532792017why?
>>532791316or a sneeze on the printing lens (the lens that takes the developed negative and projects it on paper). You can create all sorts of skews and distortions by distorting the paper itself, or the negative itself while printing. that will fuck with your depth of field. if you had a bellows style camera, you have a lot of distortion you can do (thats how they make those images where really life cities look miniature). But with any of these film artifacts, you can do the same thing and not see them....or do something completely different and see the same ones. its a temperamental medium. regardless, its easy to fack things in it, arguably as easy as in digital if not easier but more time consuming. I have done multiple exposures where I stitch multiple buildings together, its all in camera, its on the film negative, but the building on the negative doesn't exist, the lawn is from another place entirely, the tree another place. With the right planning and staying within the limits of the medium you can fake almost anything on film, it hides a lot of mistakes.
>>532782697No retard ops is from apollo 17 its the only one where the camera actually panned up with the launch mainly because it was manually operated 250k miles away on a 2 sexond delay
>>532791999But then, I did go back and add in the gravity. Read more closely.
>>532791676I've talked to honest to god "satellites are just weather balloons and dirigibles" people irl before. they are out there.
>>532792041NASA faking shit for the masses. Ya gotta be dumber than a box of rocks to not at least question it all. Discovering signs of life 700 million miles away? Sheeeesh. Gotta be kidding me.
>>532792182Yes, but they are incredibly rare compared to the amount of people who question the moon landing. Of course, in moon threads they seem like they are 60% of the population, but that's just because they are paid shills who come to poison the well.
>>532781247Your assumptions are wrong. How the lunar ascent module functions is not secret knowledge. You're being intentionally obtuse. Your goal is spreading misinformation.
>>532791676If you believe we can get into space why is it so hard for you to accept we went to the Moon? It's not that far away from us.
>>532792223>NASA faking shit for the masses.no its not, what makes you think it is?
>>532792276I don't know if we've been on the moon or not. All I really know for sure is that the pictures and footage of it are fake, which is obvious to anyone who's not intellectually dishonest.Did the jews really go to the moon to play golf in the 60s? It's not impossible I guess. Pretty improbable.
>>532792234Have you ever considered those same shills are also pushing Moon landing denial as well?
>>532792389Nah, that can't be the case since as I've stated several times, a large percentage of the population are skeptical of the moon landings, while flat earth people are a microscopic minority of people that work out of cubicles at NASA.
>>532792323Videos with "astronauts in space" with hair glue in their hair to simulate no gravity, and the hair is stiff as a board. Green screen videos. Wires helping them do backflips. The "moon landings". It's all bullshit bro.
>>532792354It's not fake.
>>532792494what are you talking about?none of that stupid shit is actually on any clips.
>>532792536It is, sorry.
>>532792354>All I really know for sure is that the pictures and footage of it are fakeEvery time someone brings up an issue with the "fake" footage it is met with a reasonable answer about how they don't understand what they're talking about. The denier then ignores all the evidence they were provided so they keep bringing up the same questions that have been answered thousands of times before. This repeats in every space thread.
>>532792594Look at the fat jewess "astronaut" in the background. Look at her necklace, which is a string attached to her. Then look at her hair, which are also strings attached to her. Notice the discrepancy in motion.They absolutely do fix up their jew astronauts with hair spray for some reason, god knows why, it looks so fucking stupid.
>>532792607Well, that's the problem, your answers isn't reasonable. I've been asking for why there are spotlights on the moon this entire thread and all I get in reply is either>don't trust your lyin' eyes goyim you're not actually seeing a spotlightor>you are dumb reeeeeeNeither of which are reasonable answers.
>>532792607do you believe they had the tech to fake the photographs though? I certainly do. And thats not factoring in the whole "military is 30-50 years ahead of the consumer market" thing. Which would bring the videos more into a iffy place. regardless we have telescope images of the landing sites.
>>532792647looks fine to me.these clips are hours long and you can see them float in zero G.stop being a retard, honey.
>>532792790>looks fine by meWell, then you're either retarded or a shill I guess.
>>532792594Yeah it is. I can understand if you wanna say "Maybe they fake SOME things, but in general they're telling the truth," but these things I listed are all from NASA videos I've seen. If you wanna see what I'm talking about, if my memory serves me correct this stuff is on videos by the YouTubers Jake the Awake and MAG BITTER TRUTH (yes I know these guys are crazy with some of the stuff they say, but the video clips speak for themselves anyway).
>>532792823these clips are hours long and you can see them float in zero G.stop being a retard, honey.>>532792837nah they didnt fake anything. >go look for retarded clips on youtubeok i just did.they're all fucking retarded.
>>532792694thats not true. I laid out how you can neither triangulate nor measure brightness in film with any degree of confidence without access to the original setup and complete signal chain earlier this thread. gave specific reasons why you cant.
>>532792647Se here is the problem. Space is real dude. We have a space station that a lot of people have been to. That's not even debated. We know what 0g is, we can reproduce it in an airplane for a short period of time.. Schizos like you take what is a good conspiracy theory: Moon landing, and take it way too far
>>532792694There are no spotlights. If there were you would see multiple shadows from the Astronauts.
>>532792909What does that have to do with there being spotlights on the moon?
>>532792944That's not a given, depends completely on the lighting setup.
>>532792944a large carbon arc light would not produce multiple shadows.
>>532792922You are not a real personand if you are: explain to me why there is a fucking string on that guy's pants?Yes I do believe the space station is real but they are obviously faking some of the videos. The question is: why?
>>532793014>he doesnt know that these clips are several hours long and literally cant be fucking fakedi got a bonus, too. >you can actually see the ISS with your own eyes at nightwhoa, nice!
>>532783690Based, love this thread. They have serveral dedicated shills on payroll here to attack anyone who shows NASA are decievers
>>532793053I assume the real space station is some sort of military installation and they just do these weird videos of chubby jew astronauts playing with silly putty and all that other bullshit in some set built inside a plane.
>>532792894>nah they didnt fake anything.>none of that stuff is on any clips.>nah.>no.Lol okay man. I'm just saying if you saw this stuff you'd question it too. Because I believe in your ability to discern.
>>532792967because thats how you would tell, the intensity falling off, or the shadows pointing to a source closer than the sun. multiple sources on a gray ground could always be a reflection from a hill so it wouldn't point to spot lights.
>>532782297>THERE'S NOTHING NO FLAME NO EXHAUST TRAILBecause there's no atmosphere to react with the exhaust. Besides, most of what your pic is showing is actually water vapour. There's a massive pool of water below the launchpad to absorb the blast. Otherwise, it would bounce back up and damage the rocket itself.Do some actual research that go beyond looking at pictures and comparing two objects in two radically different environments.
I think it happened but it was unmanned and all footage of the mission was fake. Something put the flag there though. I also think the lads really thought they were going to the moon and were royally pissed about it
>>532793193ok, good luck with all that...>>532784024
I'm the only one who sufficiently answered OP's question. I showed that the mass-ratio required to lift off a planet is equivalent to an exponential ratio. And thus, is extremely sensitive to values like acceleration and burn-time. Because of this. it takes about 30x the mass of the payload to lift a rocket from earth. While it only takes 60% of the mass of the payload to lift off the Moon. That's why they can lift off the moon with such a small craft, instead of the literal tower-of-rockets needed to lift off the earth.
>>532785301You should read Wag the MoonDoggy abd Kubrik's disclose theory. https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/
>>532783447Slaves didn't build the pyramids.You know nothing. Your opinion is worth nothing.
>>532793202I think if they didn't go....they definitely believe they did, thats why Buzz hit that guy, cognitive dissonance is painful, He was protecting his implanted MK Alter false memory.
>>532793317>Slaves didn't build the pyramids.That's exactly what I said, my illiterate Moroccan friend.
>>532785616Yeah this is in a warehouse on earth, boomers swore to secrecy. Limited hangout very very few knew the whole story, and all of the top puppeteers are 33rd degree freems
>>532781247That was me on the moon who filmed this. Please come back for me. I can only eat so many rocks
>>532793364>>532783447>The slaves that built the pyramids Nigger.
>>532793431Yeah but how would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast today?
>>532784310This kind of behaviour is proof that it's fake. Forget the facts about the science and the movie technology. No layman can verify that one way or another (but when I saw a comparison of "sped up" and "original" speed, the sped up version looked much more realistic - in the official footage speed, they move around like they're in water - but there's no water to push around on the moon!).But every layman can verify the fact that they are slimy bastards rhetorically wiggling their way around like a politician or HR manager.
>>532793191what other response do you expect?you can see the ISS with your own eyes at night, you DO know that, right?
>>532793239yeah, that sort of "shadow triangulation" is exactly what I was talking about. Is this straigh from the negative? is it cropped? what lens...is there shift or tilt in the lens barrle? is the film backing straight or slightly curve? a thousand more questions before you can get to spotlights since I can replicate that easily with just barrel distortion....which almost every lens has. Not proof of spotlight at all. can you raise the question from that.....sure why not if you are willing to make assumptions
>>532787088>>532787470Underwater divers are more careful than Astronauts, make that make sense. Oh I'm as far from the Earth as any other human, better do donuts in a moon buggy and skip and hop. If my suit tears I'll just grab some scotch tape off the lunar module
>>532793605>underwater?
>>532793583So by your standards no photographic evidence has any value at all. The pictures from the "moon" does not prove or disprove any moon landings. I mean, ok, but what are we even arguing about then.
>>532784310And they somehow lost and/or accidentally destroyed thousands of Apollo 11 tapes supposedly. lol.
>>532793583>>532793652>I mean, ok, but what are we even arguing about then.its a thread made to laugh at retards who think earth is flat and moon landings were faked.
>>532793605Probably the same reason why people who work with viruses have to wear full hazmat suits with external air piped into them, but pledditors on the street can just put on a little cloth over their face to do the same thing.
>>532793672nope.
>>532793577I can see a small dot probably, yeah.
>>532793583>is there shift or tilt in the lens barrle?Well that's a better guess than you're going to get out of him. Our "norwegian" friend doesn't spend any time outdoors so he's never experienced shadows at sunrise or sunset or godrays coming in through the clouds so seeing that sort of thing in apollo photographs are completely novel for him. This is shit 6 years olds ask about and eventually figure out a model for. Only someone being deliberately obtuse could end up saying shit like that in adulthood.
>>532787088Also they were classified Top Secret until 2069 by Nixon.
>>532793744>bro look at the cool god rays>>532784024top kek, NASA faggots are something else...
>>532791114How many people do you think were involved with Epstein? How many people went to Bohemian Grove? Did you know that half of all Americans initially thought the moon landing was fake? Do you think any whistle blowers would come out with their names or just drop hints that it was fake wherever they could, like on radio shows, and eventually websites? It was leaked, over and over and over. But the absolute proof you'd need, a confession, tapes of a confession, documents, code showing it was simulated, all of that was buried and without a trace because it was pre-internet. Easy. Top of off with it being a matter of national security, like 9/11 truth or more, and it isn't just about simple whistle blowing but Treason. Blackmail + threats of treason + Huge Massive Rewards for being a good little boy, and you have thousands of absolutely silent people.
>>532793743no, you can actually see the entirety of the ISS with your own eyes at night.if you dish out 10$ for a walmart binoculars, you can even see details like its solar panels.
>>532790722>For me the real question is why would you just inherently trust any official narrative when time and time again it's been demonstrated how deep the lies go.Comfort and abuse. And many normies/faggots are incapable of multi layer speculative thinking.
>>532793814so you didnt know these zero G clips are actually several hours long?thats kinda cringe bro.
>>532793716Yep.https://www.npr.org/2009/07/16/106637066/houston-we-erased-the-apollo-11-tapesPlease stop lying and/or being confidently wrong.
>>532793605>Underwater divers are more careful than AstronautsWell yeah, underwater you're dealing with 1atm as the pressure before you even get in the water. You gain another atmosphere of pressure every 30ft or so. The pressure differentials deep underwater are orders of magnitude higher than what anyone deals with in space. Especially with optimized EVA situations. Often times they're below 5psi for extended periods of time in eva suits and they just crank the proportion of oxygen in their air instead of running low proportion oxygen at sealevel pressure. It's hard to cause an urgent live ending situation in engineered hardware at only 1atm differential, and again during EVA they're at times closer to 1/4th of an atm of pressure differential than anything.>>532793814>nonsresponsive reply from the kikeimagine my shock
>>532793848Okay I'll consider this piece of the puzzle and look into it, because I do believe maybe they just fake some things but not all.
>>532793881nope, keep asking chatgpt and it will tell you we still got the clips.BONUS:>we still got all the hundreds of hours of clips from all the other apollo missionsawesome.
>>532790935WE JUST CAME BACK FROM THE MOON HUMANITY'S GREATEST ACHIEVEME->Frownsn, sniffs, coughs. Looks around. Bored. I want to go home. Yeah it was uhhhh very dark. No stars no.. Anyone have a beer haha.. No we can't go back. No. Yes it was amazing.. No. No we won't be taking anymore questions. Ever.
>>532793881>doesn't know the difference between high temporal resolution telemetry data and high visual resolution video>uses jeetAI to try to shore up his pointlol
>>532793932>Being underwater is more dangerous than being on the moonYeah there are sharks... Comical response, your Trekkie rationalization is sadly predictable.
>>532781247>I'm not a total skitzo that thinks the moon landing never happened.You will be, after you see this documentary: https://luogocomune.net/americanmoon
>>532793964its not a puzzle, small kids at school learn this, there is even a phone app that tells you when the ISS is overhead so you can go outside and look at it.
>>532793987>>532794005>ignores the link, to fall back on the "le stupid AI" crutch>>532793987Now you're moving the goalposts after lying again. I feel like I'm being more fair while you're acting like someone with an agenda.
>>532794062>Being underwater is more dangerous than being on the moonSubstantially. This is what can happen at only 300ft below the surface if a couple fuckups compound. You have no idea how fast shit gets out of control beyond 50ft underwater. Space isn't shit compared to saturation diving.
>>532794000Men who know that if hell exists they're going to it because they're too cowardly to say the truth
>>532794103Man you're cooked if you just fully believe those jew books in school.
>>532794122>ignores the point>responds to the jab>hopes no one will noticetypical
>>532794122no.the goalpost is the same - thousands of hours of moon footage, you can see ISS with your own eyes at night etc etc.
>>532794195>school math book says 2+2=4>books are jewish i'd rather be a retardsounds like a you problem.
>>532794153You're working with presumptions based on shit that is essentially debunked in order to validate the debunked claims. We went to the moon, they're fine, therefore this shit we can easily replicate on Earth is much more dangerous, trust the experts! Trust the science. Have you been keeping up with your boosters?
>>532794267>kike pushes boosters in a firmament is fake and gay threadLmao. So is it your position that there isn't a 14lb differential in pressure between sealevel and space? I guess we need to drag this back and establish foundations huh?
explain this to mehow do they have apparently mirrors on the moonthis whole moonwalk stuff is making me skepticalcant they just drop mirrors from orbit? like artemis did the flyby and could have dropped some mirrors on the moon
>>532794261I could study equations and know what they're supposed to represent and solve the problem, but it doesn't mean Star Trek is real. We can calculate all day, it doesn't mean the equations have any reality to them beyond the numbers you're crunching. This is why autistic math nerds are hopeless when it comes to critical thinking. They mistake numbers for truth and think if they can solve the equation then it's real. Fucking mindblowing
>>532794357>use actual science>turns out we can land on the moon and we did itnice.
>>532793652photographic evidence can't be trusted. No of course not. I've enumerated multiple ways to fake images in film. That doesn't mean it has "no value at all", it means you can't conclude anything from it alone, for or against. We have telescope images earth, images from multiple flybys from multiple countries, eyewitness testimony and various other supporting evidence. If this was a murder case you'd send him to death row.>>532793744I think you need to talk to more people (or maybe I should speak with less) because this guy isn't that obtuse. the moon landing isn't open and shut. I've talked with people irl for 30 plus minutes who can't understand why if there is no firmament and nature abhors a vacuum.... how come there is air we can breath. And the discussion ended with them saying "okay agree to disagree then".
>>532794321If you're working with presumptions that are fed through people that have consistently lied to you every day and you still take them seriously because everyone else seems to then you are a religiously minded fucking retard basing your notion of reality off of fear of being different.
>>532794419Hey guys I calculated equations to fool autistic retards and then filmed the moon landing in a studio that I didn't realize would survive to be critically scrutinized. How do we explain that we can't go to the moon again? Let's say we lost the technology. (???) Okay that didn't really work, gen x and millenials convinced zoomers that the moon landing was probably fake. Time to fake it again at the height of AI video technology!
>>532794351who made the paths then?
>>532794459>dodges the question>reiterates his vaguepostI accept your concession heeb.
>>532794647rovers?they can have remote control from a form of orbitare there any leftover rovers there?
>>532794647>>532794730assuming the image is not also fake :)
>>532794608it wasnt filmed in a studio, it was obviously filmed on the moon. >How do we explain that we can't go to the moon again?we can, and we are. >Let's say we lost the technology. we didnt lose any technology.>but the out of context 5 second youtube clip!got something better?>nook.
>>532794730>>532794759>ok we went to the moon but we were driving remotely!nah, these guys rode them themselves. why do it remotely if you can do it by hand.
>>532794848my problem is with escaping the moons gravitygoing back in orbit to fling back to earth or whateverare there any videos that explain it well?i see the major problems artemis has now. imagine back then
>>532794924>my problem is with escaping the moons gravitywhy? whats the problem?
>>532794730LVR on the image is a rover.Its hard for me to believe they'd used robots when they could just have some gungho dudes (not the PR actors we 'think' are the astronauts for the sake of this argument) that were willing to accept the risks, get turbocancer from the radiation belt and die in a few years on some luxury CIA blacksite tropical island if they made it back. If they didn't make it....fake the video and own the russians, win the election or whatever. Seems way easier than fucking around with robots. Those mars cars haven't done shit. >>532794759bingo
>>53279393216 pbtid and you really hit me with divers have it harder than astronauts, I'll let your words speak for themselves. You wont read Wagging Moondoggy, but you'd kick yourself in the teeth if you realized what you were defending.
>>532795012>the van meme beltXD
>>5327950407pbtid in less than an hour. Suck my dick mason. Or would a golfclub up your ass be more your speed? Faggot.
>>532794195Ghislane Maxwell's Mossad Father owned 51% share in McGraw textbooks, so every public school was taught by pedokikes and freems
>>532794924they also had floating turds on an apollo mission.
>>5327949718.568 km/hhow did they achieve a boost with that speed to go into orbit to meet the LM rendezvous>>532795103not just turds
>>532794351Better yet, how do you know the moon isn't just reflective? How do normies actually think their laser pointed from Earth "reflects off the mirrors left on the moon" how do you discern? It's too far away. Normies will tell you "you can shine le laser it bounces back" without really considering that it may have always, or that it's not a laser you or I could shine they are still refering to NASA "experiments" (unprovable and unpeer reviewable)
>>532795164the moons gravity is so weak you can probably fart your way into orbit.
>>532795095what really? That means he also had a 51% stake in standard and poors, the rating agency that was at the heart of the 2008 crisis. McGraw is legitimately one of the most powerful companies in the world
>>532781247Reminder: always ask those posters who claim to know what take off on the moon moon looks likeIf they know what having a job looks like
>>532795091It's called waking up, making my coffee and shitting on you fucking faggot liars. We didn't go. You can't me a brown kike when it was brown kikes and faggot freemasons who benefitted from mass tricking humanity and lying for going on 70 years about "our greatest achievement"Moonism is a religion, it's adherents zealots. I only wanted the truth. That makes me much more dangerous than you are.
>>532795175we know the moon isnt reflective, and we know we bounce them off the mirrors, because the received signal is different then when we shoot it at the moon ground and not the moon mirror.
>>532795274>We didn't go.what makes you think we cant land men on the moon?
>>532795274>we didn't go we didn't go WE DIDN'T GOkeep cryin bitch nigger. If you get too worked up I'm sure your lodge brothers will know how to comfort you. Queer.
>>532794122>>532793987You're both fucking retarded. It's a tie!
>>532795274So you agree with North Korea, China, russia? India, even. All moon fairing countries, all who don't dispute americaz claim? India? You agree with India?
Yum. Delicious (You)'s I feel like a newfag.
>>532795373Thanks for bringing up India, I really N64 games too
>>532795298we also know that if you were to say....shoot a microwave pulse at the moon while residing in the USA....you'd have feds at your house within the hour. Same if you tried to launch a remotely controlled rocket into orbit without a permit.
>>532795492>I really N64 games tooI bet you do. I bet you really n64 games.
>>532795514whoa really?which twitter screenshot with 2 retweets told you that?
>>532795240i just said the speed needed to go into orbit and u jestno explanationokay
>>532795616i dont jest, i told you the correct answer.no problems leaving the moon, the gravity is extremely weak. there are clips of astronauts throwing stuff on the moon and it goes for miles with zero effort. because the gravity is so extremely weak.
>>532795579Friend who had that happen to him in HS when they attempted to measure the distance to the moon with a kitchen microwave magnetron forr a science fair project. And the father of a unrelated buddy who is really into model rockets and I wanted to put some control surfaces on one and he told me about his buddy that was arrested for doing just that. Social media is poison. Twitter is for losers. Talk to real people, buy physical media.
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