It is just a "theory" after all.
>>532806750cool it with the anti semitism
>>532806750Don't you believe that the Universe and life itself came from nothing?
>>532806750But those two are very clearly different in the head. Not to mention you don't know the scale difference or how they behave.
cant beet perfection
>>532806750
>>532806750>uhhh actually that bug had already evolutioned to the perfect amount>before you found the fossil they were trying to claim it was the size of a labrador
>christcucks scrambling to find something to argue about because theyve been exposed AGAIN as kike loving boomers
>>532806830Nothing can cause itself to exist Jew
>retard thinks evolution means something is guaranteed to change drastically>DURRRR WHY ISNT THIS BEE A HUMAN MUHNKEY?!
>>5328067505/10 b8
>>532806830There are 1000 ton block walls around the whole world built the same way from over 12000 years ago. All religions are bullshit including the religion of archaeology. They're literally just making shit up. The whole earth was wiped clean 12,000 years ago. Israel wasn't promised to anyone. There were no jews or mudslimes or christians. It's all fake.
>>532806750the left one was clearly much larger Christfag retard
>>532806750Why? Just band jews
>>532806750Yes, and more to the point, so-called "intelligent design" should be called "Creation", and the Bible should be taught in History class.We are a Christian nation, and it's high time we started acting like one!
>>532806830this breaks the laws of physics, so no.
>>532806750sight, will take the bait.Evolution isn't always one organism radically changing into another organism, it's an organism adapting to the environment, if it present form is perfect for it's environment, it does not change a lot.
>>532806750>create perfection>create million copies of said perfection that all different in some way and totally different species>"my work here is done"
>>532806750>no need to change>no change its not that hard
>>532806750yes. what the world really needs now is more American Evangelicals.
bees are awesomeI wish I owned land to own hives
>>532806750the first guy's descendants evolved into a peacock, then eventually into a chimpanzee.the second pic is a guy who's ancestors were tree lichen.they're both still evolving.
>>532806750The bees changed from black and white to black and yellow obviously.
>>532806830I hate you, you evil kike
>>532807095The first book makes logical arguments why evolution is real, the second does not make logical arguments why Spiderman is real and is in fact and self-conscious form of fiction.
>>532807034>retard thinks evolution means something isnt guaranteed to change drastically>DURRRR WHY DID THIS MONKEY BECOME A HUMAN?!
>>532807148>yes. what the world really needs now is more American Evangelicals.Correct, millions of Jewish pricks are unsucked.
>>532807034>the differences are surely present but simply too subtle for a mere layman to observe!>we need a SÖYENTIST to explain this from a credentialed position of authority!>professor shlomo coinowitz arrives>humm yes goy, these are very different organisms indeed, unlike you and jamal the nigger, who are precisely the same species...*begins snake oil pitch*
>>532807118I like how your id has evolved to say fuck.
>>532806750They actually evolve bavk and forth every 25 million years, you just caught both in bee form
>>532807125evolution theory relies on random mutations, not outside influence.the lucky one that gets a random advantage survives.
>>532806750Evolution depends on the aggregation of traits in subpopulations, due to differing selective pressures which then cause the subpopulation to diverge from the main over time.A names species for instance, is just a snapshot of a moment in the growth of the "Tree of Life".Some arrangements of animal persist over remarkably long times, because either they prove to be versatile, and/or their environment is stable, or they are just populous and distributed enough that some populations remain similar to their original form.Things like selective breeding rely on the fast-tracking of these natural processes by human interference, and it works best on creatures with fast generational cycles; you can make bacteria change remarkably quickly, because they can spawn multiple generations in a day.Certain persons when faced with this claim that this only proves "Micro-evolution" and not "Macro-evolution" which is a specious difference, as outlined by the classical logic problem called the "Ship of Theseus".Furthermore, a properly articulated and peer reviewed Theory, is the highest degree of certainty you can have about an idea, that you cannot tangibly directly observe, according to your best evidenced reasoning.The word for a less well proven but superficially plausible idea is a "Hypothesis" and a total what-if is a "Postulate".
>>532807285>ITS PURE LUCK ANYTHING HAPPENS>ONLY GOD CAN KNOW HOW SOMETHING WILL EVOLVEatheists believe in god more than christian’s do
>>532806830Before my mom and dad did big bang, for me personally there was nothing and then I went through evolution 9 month in moms womb
>>532806750If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
>>532806750if you have a product that its as good as can be in its niece then there's no reason to change it.
>>532807337why haven’t whites evolved larger cocks then?
>>532806750Who said that evolution has to fulfill OP's uneducated expectations?
>>532807269>>the differences are surely present but simply too subtle for a mere layman to observe!They are not, there are more laymen interested in insects then scientists, it's just that you literally have no genuine interest or hobbies, so you can not imagine someone taking the time to learn all they can about a subject.
>>532807280>I like how your id has evolved to say fuck.thats not evolution, that is god at work ;>
There are, currently, different extant species of bees.
>>532806750Btfo over flat earth so the evangelicals are switching back to evolution? How boring. You are the worse humans outside the lying long noses.
>>532807285Not really, its both. While mutations are quasi random, these mutations are reinforced by breeding and outside factors. So again, if there is no need for a change, no "more favorable" variant, there won't be any change, just reinforcement of what is already here.
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>>532807326nowhere did that anon say that. once again proving that christians are liars and kikes.
>>532806750It just works.Like crabs, crab is the perfect animal.
I’m gay and fat.
what a blast from the past. you retards still exist lol?
>>532807421OP does not respond in the thread, so he is lying.
>>532806750I just always feel like they should be teaching more important and practical things in school, like the demonic origin of jews, all of their horrific crimes throughout history, and how to identify them.
>>532807326Science when done properly is descriptive, not prescriptive.Atheists and Christians are alike in that they are mostly stupid.And whether a stupid person is right, or wrong, it is seldom of their own volition.
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>>532806913The horseshoe crab fucks
>>532807445
>>532807433it baffles me that science didnt figure out that change happens because genes switch on and off because of hormones which are a response by outside influences.there is no evolution, only change in gene expression.
>>532806750You being your father's son is just a theory
notice how theists pretend that they don't understand simple concepts, thus making productive discourse impossible.
>>532806750>Evolution thread yay I never get to post these images normally
>>532807226You missed philosophy class, do you? It is discipline about how to sort out brain fart in your head and main question is what is the truth?There is no truth in peoples minds, got it?
>>532807452dumb banana nigger can’t read
>>532807492DISGUSTING SEA BUGS!
>bee me, a bee 56 million years ago>bee urself>bee perfect organism >bee bee for 56 million years>bee laughing at monke who needs 100 million adaptations just to ultimately pay taxes to pedophiles
>>532807485right except atheists are literally not atheists and actually belief in some kind of impersonal god that decides right from wrong and organizes the universe, except they don't actually call him god.
>>532806750Why change if you're already perfect? Just bee yourself!
NUKE KLENDATHU! REVENGE!
>>532807118Random mutations happen. If mutation does not impede survival, and reproduction, then those genes pass. If previous mutation also does not impede survival and reproduction, those genes continue to pass. You now have 2 variations of the original species. Only thing that matters is whether the mutation keeps the thing alive long enough to reproduce enough times to not go extinct. Evolution can actually be detrimental to the animal. For example, the peacock.Due to female selection for the most beautiful and extravagant bird plumage, the males are easily caught by predators. The huge feathers make them slower and easier to see. But the females still prefer them, and reproduce with the biggest and prettiest males, at the expense of their chance to survive. But as long as they get to fuck at least once, they’ll keep making more of these easy to kill males.
>>532807537Alright, you literally agree with me.
>"It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible." As opposed to rightoids whose failure to understand is genuineYou retards actually think evolution works like in movies where every animal is on a linear path to intelligent civilization? It's literally just selecting for traits that enhance reproductive successCrocodiles staying the same for millions of years doesn't disprove evolution, it proves that crocodiles are successful just the way they are so why change?
TO THE LAST BUG!
>>532807648Is this a response to something I wrote, or are you just talking on...
>>532806750>Optimized for it's functionWhy evolve if there's no pressure? If you think science is doing anything but explaining god in technical terms you're full blown retarded. There's no helping someone that dim and self assured. Idk why you even think of such things. Seems like it only causes you pain. Maybe you're just a masochist faggot and wanna spread the misery?
>>532806750Insects havent evolved much besides their size. They are perfectly suited to surviving their environments, besides colony insects usually cull the mutated ones
>>532807716Bees are good bugs, please refrain from beelittling bees
>>532807684>rightoidsExcept a large chunk of people on here are not on the right, again a leftoid pretending no to understand.
>>532807401God does not play dice, but puts swears in ID fields seemingly at random.
>>532807731I want an ID with a swear. How much you pay for that?
>>532807648Achually!In the wild the biggest Peacock males have a harem of hens around them at all times, and they help the male by helping to detected threats before they get close, thus lone smaller males are predated more in the wild.
>>532807586>theists can't fathom a concept or moral framework that they don't worship or idolize.you faggots project too much.
>>532806750Why do you people bother fighting against evolution? It's self-evident. If the environmental and ecological niche the bee occupies doesn't change then the bee doesn't change.Like a river that has cut a well defined channel, unless something disrupts the flow it will stay consistent from year to year.
>>532807658So you are not sure and seeking my confirmation?
>>532806750Yes and this should be taught in its place.
>>532807731Adding on to what you said. Not every response is antagonistic anon. Get out of fight or flight.
>>532807372>my self-study operating within the bounds of professor shlomo's published scientific studies to ensure I do not come to an incorrect, GOYISCHE conclusion, have, astoundingly, confirmed professor shlomo's narrative regarding the nature of existence! I did the good thing and the right thing because I am a very smart boy, one of the very best good boys who deserves to live as a goyslave after shlomo's people repair the world and sit like an effendi and eat while we work the fields! Much like a dog, my compliance is a measure of my intellect, and I need only have this grand intellect complemented along with a pat on the head to get the dopamine boost I need to continue on to another day in my faggy doo doo dipshit life!!!
>>532807004>Blindly believes the hooknosed man in a robe that claims he's superior to everyone and has all the answers(it's a sciencekike in a labcoat). How bout you go mask up and get a shot of cancer juice.
>>532807868Because they demand God be out there somewhere when it's in your mind and heart. You feel it. You don't see it. Unless you can see how it all fits together.
>>532807853Alright, God is NOT an inherent religious concept, the belief in a God does not automatically correlate with worship or making idols.If you say otherwise, you are just pretending not to understand.
>>532807890Ninety nine problems but the foreskin ain't one
>>532807876>So you are not sure and seeking my confirmation?Can you stop saying random things.
>>532807962then why are you calling it god? is that your word for "philosophy" or "set of beliefs"?
>>532807892>Adding on to what you said. Not every response is antagonistic anon. Get out of fight or flight.You are literally repeating back at me, what I just said. What exactly is your point in doing this?
>>532808050>then why are you calling it god? is that your word for "philosophy" or "set of beliefs"?Pretending not to understand.
>>532807782The fossil record betrays them. If they have been here unchanged for millions of years then they could have been spies this whole time!
>>532806750Evolution is the most "if ain't broke, don't fix it" system imaginable.>>532807118>perfect for it's environmentNot even. Evolution doesn't produce perfection. It produces good enough.
>>532807911I don't know how you fucking dress yourself.
>>532806750YepIf monkeys needed to evolve by standing upright to evolve, why are there still monkeys? Moreover, why are there still living examples of every link in the supposed evolutionary chain if necessity and natural selection supposedly forced them to evolve and adapt?
>>532807842That’s pretty based. But still doesn’t take away from the point that evolution is not necessarily an upgrade to the physical attributes of a life form. It’s just a change for the sake of change, even if that change is to the detriment of the animal. Another example is a boar, whose horns will dig into its own skull overtime unless the boar deliberately does something to erode it. >>532808069I added more information, are you unable to read? Do you always feel threatened?
>>532807034Major cope from all sides
>>532807285>evolution theory relies on random mutations, not outside influence.>the lucky one that gets a random advantage survives.Who taught you evolution??- Mutations are MOSTLY random. Some do happen due to environmental pressures. Environment doesn't direct mutations per se, but it can influence the rate of mutations. - Natural selection ISN'T random. That's the non-random filter. Individuals with traits that give them a reproductive advantage are more likely so survive and pass on their genes. And this selection is influenced and shaped by external pressure, aka "environment". So evolution has an element of randomness (mutations) and non-randomness (selective environmental pressure). It's not all random, that's a common misperception, just like how it's all by evolutionary design is a common misperception. What this means is: >no need to change>random changes/mutations doesn't thrive>no generalized change happens
>>532806750> banning ideas
>>532808163Not what darwinian evolution isIts supposed necessary adaptation to ensure survival , not needless arbitrary change
>>532808130Understandable, I could recreate civilization from scratch, while you need a jew to tell you not to eat dental floss.
>>532806750I never understood why religious people don't believe in evolution. Like, you better hope evolution is real, or else your God's an absolute dumbass.
>>532806750It is for this very reason—one of the main ones...I created the Non-Hierarchy of Individualism.Nature has no answers for humanity at the hive stage...it's simply an evolutionary dead end.Further, either a person creates an artificial philosophy of life, or remains forever living in the hive-menagerie in endless cycles...the pyramids of animal hierarchy.
>>532806750Do american really?
>>532807933Most christians bent the knee during the scamdemic, larper.
>>5328067501pbtid bot spammers should be banned after abandoning their threads.
>>532808126>Evolution doesn't produce perfection. It produces good enough.Literally what I said.
>>532806954What is the time required for a fossil like in op pic to form
>>532808096it's a simple question, anon. don't project once again because you can't answer it.
>>532808163>I added more information, are you unable to read? Do you always feel threatened?You don't really think that, stop lying.
Natural selection is real, and observableHOWEVEREvolution is not real, and we have little proof of it besides conjencture. How do you create uniform species from random variance?Take crows, why did multiple separate species emerge, instead of one “crow” where each specimen is on a spectrum of variance? Shouldn’t natural selection create slightly different crows each time instead of regressing back to the norm?And this lack of change is unaffected by travel distance or environment, insect species appear all over the world that are identical to each other, yet it would have taken them millions of years to travel those distances, and because of their short life cycle they should have developed into separate species already
>>532808003That faggot is trying too hard to sound smart.
>>532808475>it's a simple question, anon. don't project once again because you can't answer it.Can you stop saying meaningless things.
>>532808317can any christian actually explain the absurdity of the laryngeal nerve in some creatures or do they ignore this
>>532806750>It is just a "theory" after all.so is gravity
>>532808132Why do you think White people and niggers both exist, you retard? If resource competition pushes some monkeys out of the jungle they are adapted to and into a grassland then they are going to experience selective pressure to change. But the monkeys who did the pushing and remain in the jungle have no selective pressure to change.
>>532808543I don't understand what you are trying to say here, can you rephrase?
>>532806750Yes, it's a religion. Hardly a theory, more of a hypothesis
>>532808543>Evolution is not real >but this type of evolution is real You're so close yet so far. Just take the extra step to exclude the dogma of microevolution vs macroevolution from your mind and stop pretending that adaptation and evolution are separate concepts.
>>532808245did you read what you just wrote?>random mutations regardless of outside influence>improvements at random>the guy that gets lucky good mutations wins out>gives better traits to the next generationthis would imply infinite improvement of the fittest which we clearly do not see.this also doesnt explain how pic rel can exist. an orchard mimicking a bee to increase pollination. how can a flower know what a fucking bee looks like? where are the outside pressures to look like a bee? where are all the other flowers that mimic a bee?did the flower come up with the concept itself?evolution theory falls fucking apart once you take a closer look.
>>532808661Religions are systems of prayer, ritual and self-mortification, in non sense does this apply to any aspect of science, except in a very broad of vague way.
>>532808645He's saying he's retarded.
>>532808618The people who say this also don't believe in gravity.
>>532808302Darwin was wrong, as we now understand it. Animals can evolve detrimental traits as long as it’s enough to still reproduce. Only when the trait is severely negative enough to go extinct does it get filtered by nature. Or, if the females think it’s so ugly (in species where females are selective) that they won’t fuck the animal. See the peacock, where slower, easier to kill, but prettier, is chosen over faster, harder to kill birds. As another anon pointed out, the females would protect the male leaving the faster ones without as much protection. They developed a whole social order that put the prettiest above all, and ensure their survival, all because they didn’t like the ugly ones, even if the ugly one can outrun a predator much more easily. Kind of telling, of the nature of female selection.
>>532808245the geometric symmetry of all matter to the smallest fractal dimension and the self similarity of light is impossible even given as near to zero and negative zero amount of time, and space. the pattern is intelligent. a finger would take infinite time to evolve.
>>532808747>He's saying he's retarded.You don't really think that.
>>532806750it means the Bee doesnt have to evolve right now
>>532807652what even is that thing between the record and the cassette?
>>532806894Lol retard
>>532806830yeah. God is based. Lmao this faggot doesn't think God could create. Holy fucking grim man.
>>532806904thats berry convincing
>>532808571>pretendingwhat is your definition of "god"?
>>532808875You might say they are supreme beeings
>>532808431>He says in his desperate for science voice
>>532807535evolution is for the memes
>>532808947>what is your definition of "god"?As an idealist, I basically see god as the nexus that binds material reality, with consciousness, math, morality and aesthetics.
>>532808317smart people are religious, thats why we don't believe in it as preached by retarded godlets. Nobody really disputes evolution, but anyone that can math knows that the math doesnt add up regarding evolutionary timescales. How do you square that, bucko?
>>532808543What the fuck are you talking about? Different crow and insect species in different parts of the world are different. Our ladybugs have been all but exterminated by asian lady beetles that outcompete them. Our ash trees are going to go extinct because our wasps don't fuck up emerald ash borers like the ones in China do.
>>532809120ok
>>532809144Obviously there are more layers to reality then just the material, or god and the material, understand that there absolutely are abstract layers to reality where are conscious is housed (for example) and that these influence the material world and this most likely happens on the quantum level or because everything ultimately is just logical sets.
>>532806750If evolutions meant change it'd be called "change"
>>532809144Or maybe your grasp on evolution and mathematics is lacking
>>532806750When will seals evolve a weapon to defend themselves against Orcas? checkmate tranny libtards
>>532809144>anyone that can math knows that the math doesnt add up regarding evolutionary timescalesit absolutely does though, you just don't understand it
>>532806750>Ok guys if evowution is real where are people with three eyes and six fingers>Guuuys>Nesopotania>Ok guys, does that make sense to you
>>532806750Some things are just perfect evolutionary dead ends like crabs and wasps
>>532809389>it absolutely does though, you just don't understand itNobody understands the nature of the universe.
>>532808729A flower doesn't know what a bee looks like or vice-versa. But if random mutations make them look a little scarier to predators, then that advantage means more offspring. Multiply that random chance by millions of years and you have this. Plus "fittest" is balanced by energy and other requirements, which is why we don't have basketball-sized brains.
>>532806830A creator outside of the bounds of our universe is much more plausible than something coming from nothing>But where did God come from?This isn't known to us, "We don't know" is still a stronger answer than "It just appeared out of nothing for sure!"
Fucking americans man xD
>>532808729>this would imply infinite improvement of the fittest which we clearly do not see.No, because natural selection ISN'T RANDOM. One of the common traits of natural selection is "stabilizing selection". Optimal phenotypes to weed out the extremes. Consider the following: Why aren't humans selecting for the biggest, tallest humans? Why aren't we all 250 cm tall? Because the extreme would require more resources yada yada. In some species this selection status quo is so great that they fall into what is called "stasis". >this also doesnt explain how pic rel can exist. an orchard mimicking a bee to increase pollination. It isn't "mimicking" anything. Mutations provided variation. The bees selected for the variations. The orchids that thrived where the ones the bees liked. This accelerated the mutations. You have a random factor accelerated by a non-random factor. This is evolution in a nutshell and excellent evidence for it, you just don't understand how it works.
>>532807577Checked and kekd
>>532806750Another deranged American christcuck that never read a bible, but totally will post a meme to own the atheists.Niggers misrepresent evolution and think their ignorance are arguments.
>>532809475ok retard
>>532806750darwin daddy was freemason there is only devolution from creation
>>532806913Get milked horseshoe fag.
>>532809530Technically a formless collection of all can be called a nothing, or an ultimate chaos. What makes nothing into something are laws and forms.
>>532806750Department of education needs to be dissolved and every member hung in public
>>532809596>ok retardSo, you think I am smarter then you, sigh.
>>532806750Hey numbnuts, evolution =/= progress and advancement. Evolution is simply the natural world adapting to what best suits survivability. If the asteroid hadn't wiped out the dinosaurs, humans would never have existed. Dinos were the peak evolution for the state of the world for their time.
>>532809651I get that but that formless collection had to come from somewhere, at some point there must be a prime mover that began the chain of causality.
>>532809537>>532809591Here we have a fine example of the aforementioned devolution. Reddit: the continent.
>>532809711No, because time is law and form, you see, the great chaos stands as the ground of existence and if all that it could potentially be and in some of those beings time runs.
Nothing changes until we start hanging bolsheviks from streetlights
>>532809677I have a PhD in genomics, you have a JIDF salary to slidepost. This thread is irredeemable for actual discussion on evolutionary principles.
>>532809496>Multiply that random chance by millions of years and you have this.ok, then were are all the other flowers mimicking insects for their benefit?>>532809553>No, because natural selection ISN'T RANDOM.you just said in the post before that they are MOSTLY random.>Why aren't we all 250 cm tall? Because the extreme would require more resources yada yada.we have the resources available and women lusting for tall men. we should all be 250 cm gigachads if evolution theory holds true.>It isn't "mimicking" anything.it clearly is. sticking the head in the sand doesnt make the facts go away, sven.>The orchids that thrived where the ones the bees liked. This accelerated the mutations. You have a random factor accelerated by a non-random factor. This is evolution in a nutshell and excellent evidence for it, you just don't understand how it works.cool, where did the orchid get its information from to look more like a bee?
>>532809797>ifis
>>532809812>I have a PhD in genomics, you have a JIDF salary to slidepost. This thread is irredeemable for actual discussion on evolutionary principles.I literally do not belief you.
Being 110,111,112 and beyond is imperative for our survival
if it ain't broken don't fix it
>>532809431This. It's highly probable the first aliens we find will be crab-like and wasp-like.
>>532809797So you are saying that everything that can exist will exist if given enough time for the materials in the universe to form under various constants? In that case, wouldn't "the great chaos" or whatever composes it have to come from somewhere or something? In our universe we can observe that everything has a prior cause, and therefore the only things that could exist outside of this chain of causality (such as something from nothing) would necessarily be from outside of the Universe itself. With that in mind, it is a stronger and more rational presumption to say a force outside of our Universe influenced ours as the prime mover aka God rather than to say that a formless expanse took form and will continue an infinite cycle of various forms.
>>532809856ok retard
>>532808520You are legit insane
>>532809553>Because the extreme would require more resourcesIn the case of human height, it's because we physically can't handle it. Even people on the tall side of normal have more joint issues. We've capped out on height. We'd either have to radically alter our skeletal structure or move to another planet to get any taller.Which is a good demonstration of how a species can get "stuck" a certain way for a very long time. If they've reached the furthest extreme of a positive trait, that trait isn't going to decrease. But it can't increase.
>>532806750Yes
Welcome to Neanderthal vs cron magnum endgame
>>532806750Idk the Bible is still told in 2nd hand it's a story "told by man" not by "God"
>>532808543No proof =/= non existingBut in so much proof missing, you MUST respect any theory between pure evolution theory (keyword theory) and pure God's design.I myself like to think there's gotta be something more than just selection over many iterations. Some stuff is just crazy. Like those ants that decided they are going to be doors for the other antsAnts are insane, and a lot smarter than most people realize, they have really good group coordination and spatial awareness check video below, showing ants peform BETTER than humans in moving furniturehttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/kkNWGxYK7Nc
>>532808790>a finger would take infinite time to evolve.How about a few million years?
>>532810217The Biblical canon is considered to be divinely inspired. So the authorship is physically human, but accurate to what God wants to be in the Bible. Calling it "second hand" implies a layer of dissonance between the intended message and the written one which does not exist according to Christian theology.
>>532806750its not hard to understand evolution. just look around you. the weak animal gets eaten. thats just how things are. creatures live in environments, and those creatures live and die, and the ones that are less suitable for the environment die faster and reproduce less, while the creatures that are more suitable for the environment reproduce more and die slower. over long periods of time the new creatures that are the offspring are not the ones that were the offspring of the creatures that were not well suited for the environment. its not hard to understand at all, and anyone who doesnt understand it likely refuses to admit they understand it
>>532809817>you just said in the post before that they are MOSTLY random.Anon, he said MUTATIONS are random, not natural selection. Mutations happen at random, change for the sake of change.Natural selection, SELECTS/FILTERS specifically for traits best suited to the environment. You're reading it wrong.
>>532809856But he is ceo saarYou better redeem
>>532810391thats natural selectionnatural selection is not proof of evolution
>>532809817>you just said in the post before that they are MOSTLY random.I said mutations are mostly random. I said natural selection is the non-random filter. You got them confused... again. >cool, where did the orchid get its information from to look more like a bee?It didn't. It had no information whatsoever. It got a yellow little spot or whatever and a portion of bees were like, "Hmm, I like that yellow spot" and it increased pollination. More of them with yellow spots emerged. And then some of those had a brown spot and the bees were like, "Hmm, those yellow spotted ones are cool but the one with the yellow and brown spot, mmm" and it increased pollination. Do that over and over again and the bees have basically a bred an orchid they like to pollinate. It's not weirder than when we humans select for certain dog breeds because we like them white and spotty or whatever. And the dog breed becomes a reflection of what we, it can point to birds or bark at moose or retreive shit - some breeds even have webbing on their paws to retrieve shit in the water. Are you asking, "How does the dog know how to get webbing on its paws to help humans fetch shit in the water"? No, because that would be dumb. And this is the exact same principle.
>>532810010>So you are saying that everything that can exist will exist if given enough time for the materials in the universe to form under various constants?No, I was saying a limited amount of potential realities appear from a ground of being and some of the contain time and/or material reality.
>>532807586Indeed hilarious how evolutionists use "function fitness" to describe evolution, a process that literally mandates a conscious operator. They argue that for no reason at all, an image making AI created itself, then somehow had the eternal knowledge to know what real life looks like and undergo long processes to create perfect realistic pictures. That's the abiogenesis and evolution dogma.Also they are and have always been blatant liars, pushing picrel for 150 years despite knowing from the very start it was fake.
>>532810057>>532810064Do not belief you.
>>532807034Why didn't africans evolve into white people and asians like the rest of us? surely there's no evolutionary advantage to being a retarded nigger.
>>532807269You have a serious case of internet brainrot.Why don't you read a book about evolution instead?
imagine thinking evolution is actually real when we get perfect eclipsessaturn has 60 moons, jupiter has 75 moons, but no matter how long you sit on jupiter or saturn, none of those 100+ moons would ever give the conditions for a perfect eclipsewe are special, and its right in our face, to the point where people go "no thats TOO simple! i need a complexexplanation!" and force themselves into aa retarded state
>>532810584I am an "evolutionist"...
>>532810612>why don’t read some book written by a demonic frisbeehead
>>532807015Does that include God?
>>532806750It's a secret society lieIt should be shown to kids as what happens when liars control the education and scientific fields.But to pass the grade you can't claim that pseudoscience is real.
>>532806750Insects were much bigger then because the oxygenconcentration in the athmosphere was higher.
>>532810634>B-B-But the perfect Eclipse will eventually stop being perfect!And we happen to exist in the time it is perfect
>>532810181>I'm too much of a brain dead fucking retard to understand evolution therefore it isn't realNot surprised most of you virgins ended up being antivaxx tards.
>>532808125>The fossil record betrays them.Daily reminder a fossil record does not exist, neither does "scientific" dating. Anyone pretending to know the age of something not using human writing describing it happen is just making shit up. Fossilization can happen extremely quickly, and all methods of dating have consistently failed numerous times on things we know the age of, evolutionists believers just do a ton of tests and only keep the results that align with their global materialist fanfiction project.
>>532810601Any negro developing higher intelligence, would automatically consume more nutrients and risk becoming mentally unbalanced, so this would not add a direct advantage in selection, someone developing a higher intelligence is a more northern and seasonal environment is more likely to offset the balance of higher intelligence, more nutrient cost for example.
>>532806750most evolution is a result of hybridization. which means natural selection works much more slowly than originally thought. which means humans may be billions of years old, and from another planet, and blacks were created when some degenerate had sex with an ape. unironically.
>>532810725That image promotes the scientific establishment.
>>532810814I refuse to belief this.
>>532810806Always the same script with you shills, "YoU DoN'T AcCePt iT BeCaUsE YoU DoN'T UnDeRsTaNd iT", it's exactly as much of a fallacy as the saulstian "you don't accept the bible because you're wicked and evil". Also we need to invade and butcher every Canadian.
>>532810739Were they? Have you seen or heard that from anywhere besides Chabads media apparatus?Any documentation from non neanderkikes? Just like earth is millions of years old, and we can record it by poking rocks but only certain rocksSounds like a holocaust story, or a nuke storyFuck outta here malachi
>>532810692Hold on, the Czech guy read like 10 pages then put the book down forever, and now he has unshakable conviction in whatever Neil deGrasse Tyson says on the television. Maybe he's onto something.
>>532810437>Natural selection, SELECTS/FILTERS specifically for traits best suited to the environment.I have nothing against adaptation to outside influences being a filter. I have a problem with random mutations being the cause of that instead of preexisting information in the DNA.>>532810523>Do that over and over again and the bees have basically a bred an orchid they like to pollinate.this would imply bees guiding selection and we would see that in other flowers as well. but we dont have evidence for that.if this were a rule it would apply to every other flower following the same rule. but it does not and thus this rule does not exist.> It's not weirder than when we humans select for certain dog breeds because we like them white and spotty or whatever. dog breeding is not natural selection.
Notice how the fossil has smaller legs that lack pollen baskets and a larger abdomen.retard.
>>532806750nigger, you're fucking retarded. dragon flies were so fucking big back then if they still existed in their prehistoric form today they'd be carrying off dogs, cats, and small children>The most iconic representative of this group, Meganeura monyi, is frequently cited in paleontological literature as one of the largest insects to have ever existed, with a wingspan reaching approximately 70 to 71 centimeters (roughly 28 inches)
>>532806750jews must be destroyed. Utterly and to the last. As long as a single jew exists, schools serve only to spread jewish propaganda and lies.
>>532810976Kek
>>532811043If those dragonflies where alive today, they would be raping our woman.
>>532806913those are excellent sources of meat, pearls, oil, and chitin
>>532811077>CheckedGet with the pogrom now!
just bee yourself for 56 million years, bro!
>>532811111so you’re a jamboyThey can never help themselves
>>532811111can't rape the willing, i bet one of those dog fucking foids would use the tail end as a dildo
>>532806750quick question: how old do you thing planet Earth is?
Evolution isn’t real, we should all go back to our caves and retain our stocky hairy form and start chewing on raw gazelles
>>532806750still gets its house stolen by bears every summer. not very smart are they. this proves how evolution is a good thing and why we are so lucky nature selected us to rule over it and protect it forever.
>>532811111holy fucking quints
>>532806750Look at my based conservatism, dawg. We are not beating Chinese scientists.
>>532811111Checked!!!!!!
>>532806750The idea that evolution is incompatible with God creating everything is a false dialectic. Fuck the antichrist.
>>532811239It’s certainly not as old as science jews sayThey’ve added many years to implement their religious wars so White men can kill eachother
>>532811111Also nice ID
>>532810601Several things wrong with your assumption.Evolution does not evolve for better, just as long as reproduction happens at a rate high enough to not result in extinction.In order for Africans to "evolve into white people and asians", there would need to be selective pressures to push them into being smarter, and lighter skinned (add any other traits of whites/asians). As it turns out, Africans are actually more effective at reproduction that whites (kek). So if anything, natural selection is working more against whites right now, since the higher IQ (neuroticism) of whites makes them not reproduce as much for a bunch of stupid ass gay reasons.There is an advantage to being a retarded nigger. Lower inhibition and BBC means more sex. To the extent, that white women even go to Nigger countries for sex tourism, and Blacks are fetishized by white women in western countries are big dicked beasts who will fuck their brains out. No neuroticism is a benefit.In order for Blacks to become white, and Whites to not go extinct, you need selective pressure to make blacks more white, and for whites to reproduce more. Aka, Eugenics.
>>532810503yes it is. your response?
>>532811381that guy fucks!
>>532811381His names Davika His skin is the color of jamYou probably already know because chances are you’re sitting in the same tent posting
not pictured : the thousands of different species of wasps that come and go.
>>532810388So it's "procieved" by man even if God created the story he still abodoned us, and ain't doing anything to fix his own mistake that was the human race.
>>532806750Why would something evolve if it's perfectly fine where it is? I've heard of creatures evolve to have spikes to protect them and such but if there's no need them why evolve randomly? Why are some races smarter than others? Africans never left their continent while Europeans colonized the world?
>>532811465Get over yourself ya nerd
>>532811351>Fuck the antichrist.No fuck you chud niggers.
>>532810601The actual answer is that with the selective pressures present in Africa them currently being as they are didn't kill enough of them. When you have selective pressure that starts killing enough people before they've had the opportunity to breed that's when you begin to get changes over a long enough period.
>>532811427I don’t believe youShow me the relationChange my mind
>>532811354surely you must have some number in mind
>>532806750>find random fossils of animals that no longer exists>wow these are very similar to current year animal, this must be evidence of evolution >no intermediary fossils ever found for any species>find 60 gorillion yo fossil that is identical to current year animals>wow they must have reached the peak of evolution in this particular niche>coexists with two dozen different species that do the exact same thing>God still not real>evolution still real despite all of evidence>muh evidence is 4 birds that grew different beaks after several generations because of environment >somehow this is not the case for niggers and they are 100% the same no exceptions with white euros
>>532811537KGo move over to your own internet thenUsing your jeet powered devicesOh wait
>>532810966My uncle works as a geologist and i regular excavate his bone.Praise be to allahLearn how to science yourself and you will accept the fact that this flying rock we life on is older then the bible claims. Yes, insects were much bigger 300million years ago.
>>532811502Perfection needs no evolution or mutation. God is good.
>>532806750evolution is not a constant thing. if a species survives and nothing about it needs to change it generally doesn't.also you cherry picked that. now show the finches of the galapagos which constantly evolve.
>>532806750Evolution is just a fact of the universe, like gravity, and it has nothing to do with the question of whether or not god exists. Do you think gravity disproves god? No? Neither does evolution.
>>532811654I think they’ve added millions of years and continue to add history as they needYano like when they suddenly find something that changes lore.I’m sure it’s just a cohencidence that it always coincides with narratives
>>532810987> I have nothing against adaptation to outside influences being a filter. I have a problem with random mutations being the cause of that instead of preexisting information in the DNA.You’d be describing epigenetics. DNA is a pattern, an organization of molecules/atoms. It’s not impossible that in the many times that DNA has to remake itself, there is a slight difference in the DNA of an offspring that gives it a new trait. So yea sure, it’s in the DNA because all possible patterns ever are. It’s not really saying much.
>>532811721I don’t believe you at all malachi
>>532811111Exceptionally rare to get quints with a good ID
>>532810987>this would imply bees guiding selection and we would see that in other flowers as wellWe do... We have tubular scentless flowers for hummingbirds. Night blooming white flowers for moths. It's called coevolution or pollinator syndromes. >if this were a rule it would apply to every other flower following the same rule. but it does not and thus this rule does not exist.It's not a universal rule, it depends on conditions. For example: dogs don't normally grow in hairless, ugly little mini dogs that yap, but when they COEVOLVE with humans, then sometimes they do...>dog breeding is not natural selection.The analogy still holds true because the underlying mechanism is the same.
>>532811741I'd love to hear the explanations for abiogenesis and for the sexes then. Why would you ever go from conditionless self-reproduction to needing the sexes, let alone creating the both of them at the exact same time. If you could just will into existence a perfect clone of yourself fully functional, why would you get rid of that power and create sexes?
>>532806750>be queen bee>get breed by son bee>children are practically genetically identical to you
>>532811503>So it's "procieved" by man even if God created the storyI agree>he still abandoned us, and ain't doing anything to fix his own mistake that was the human race.I don't agree, God works through his believers. >John 14:12 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.>1 Corinthians 12:27 - Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.That might not sound like a satisfying answer, but the cost of freedom is the freedom to fail. The greatest love cannot exist without the ability to hate. The greatest good cannot exist without the ability to do evil, evil is temporarily permitted as, in the grand scheme, it works towards a greater end.
>>532806750>this modern bee look like old bee>no don't look at the thousands of highly morphologically diverse kinds of modern bee that don't look like old bee
>>532810341>oh yeah, what if I post COLOURED CIRCLES!!Great evidence anon. Really showed everyone your grandpa was a jellyfish
>>532806792FPBP
It still cracks me up to this day that creationists believe "God" created the earth in a week while the evidence points the other way or the fact a skeleton crew of 8 people cared for all these different species of dinosaurs in an ark for a full yeag
Evolution isn't real but eugenics is. If some random mutation happens that's desirable creatures will want to fuck that mutation. The mutation will get diluted but if enough of descendants carrying the mutation start fucking eachother it will come back, then will more numbers it spreads. There's no monkeys turning into humans, but tall and fair skinned humans had the most people wanting them.
>>532811953They did the same shit with "horse evolution" for a century (I can't be arsed to check if the made up latin names in his picrel are for supposed horses), then admitted publicly that it's all bullshit, but it's still taught in schools and museums to this day. The most hilarious part of this scam is that half the shit people believe has been officially debunked by their priests for decades already. They still believe in Lucy when the biggest scientific magazine in France titled "Adieu Lucy" in 1999, admitting it was fake.
>>532808737Religion is defined by something you believe that takes faith to believe. Nobody's ever observed macro evolution, so it takes faith to believe in it. Therefore it's a religion
>>532811976God exists outside of the boundaries of time, the "days" in Genesis are not literal. Theologians as far back as Augustine of Hippo taught this.
>>532806894Yeah no shit this thread was made by a literal retard
>>532806750Why do you have a picture of a wasp impression next to a honeybee?
>>5328067501pbtid OPs should be banned on /pol/
>>532812226That's cope and lie. He did create the world in a week.
>>532812352Why are you pretending to argue in favor of this when you were just making fun of Christians for believing it?
>>532812154Wasn't it stalin who tried to surpress a study made on foxes because it disproved communism?>split chill and angry foxes into two groups over 10 years>after 10 generations you have a group of docile foxes and another group of hyper aggressive foxesMicro evolution is observable and makes sense, otherwise how could we have ever domesticated wolves into dogs.Macro evolution however is completely baseless.>oh yeah these organism just randomly made an eye one dayComplete jewish propaganda to seed nihilism.
>>532812224Exactly this. And all they do is practice false dichotomies by refusing to believe you can be in neither religious groups. It's very telling that they spend way more time arguing for why their opponent's religion is false than why theirs is true, because they know they've got nothing but "Imagine, a long time ago and far away". It's how they go from a single pig tooth to picrel.
Even if we presumed evolution is accurate, it still does not prove any form of abiogenesis.
>>532806830retarded mizrahi jew doesn't understand there was a previous singularity, it wasn't nothing
>>532812224>Nobody's ever observed macro evolutionFalse and easily provable within 10 seconds. No I won't do it for you.
>>532812435I meant didn't.
>>532812455>>oh yeah these organism just randomly made an eye one dayAnd their argument against irreducible complexity is "well we don't know how it was useful, but it MUST have been useful, we must believe that every change along the way from nothing to a fully formed eye was useful", while in the next breath they spout "this is a VESTIGIAL ORGAN because we don't know at this exact moment what it does, therefore it's a useless reminder of when you were a monkey, oh and also literally 99% of your DNA is junk, worthless"
>>532808879an 8-track
>>532807226Very logical. Like your mum grandparents were fishes.
>>532811705Hindu nuffin
>>532812617so easy you can't huh?0/10 shit pilpul
>>532812699>VESTIGIAL ORGANOh btw, the appendix does have a purpose. As the name implies it works as a sort of library for your body to know which bacteria it needs to break down what kind of matter. Without it your body takes days to respond to a foreign matter when it previously would have done so in a few hours.I don't know much about the others, but at least on this one it's just doctors screwing you over so you get sick and stay sick easier. With the purpose of that being for you to not have the strength to revolt against the ruling class and to believe yourself dependent on pharmaceuticals, obviously.
>>532806750A scientific theory is not like a "theory" as it is used colloquially. A scientific theory has exhaustive evidence and testing behind it. It should be treated as a fact.
>>532813052>With the purpose of that being for you to not have the strength to revolt against the ruling class and to believe yourself dependent on pharmaceuticals, obviously.That's pretty much all of Germ Theory.
>>532806750Those are obviously different bees, are you blind OP?
>>532813198Exactly. We are mostly made of bacteria, we produce our own virus to use as soap and parasites in our bodies have a symbiotic relationship with us, eating all the garbage and dying and leaving the body once we are clean. Lied to from the cradle, but I won't be deceived until the grave.
>>532809639There's a jew joke somewhere in here
>>532806830It came from God (my God, not your god. Your god is Satan) and He doesn't afraid of anything
>>532806750Yet somehow you have no trouble believing words are made from letters of the alphabet? Think about it stupid faggot.
>>532808945Orange ya glad he mentioned it
>>532806913It's a fucking armored tank what more do you want
>>532813349Indeed, except that viruses don't exist, they were a convenient excuse at a time where they would have been far too small to see with any instrument, then they just became any random dead cell debris and fake genetic code generated by a computer.The "virus" of Hepatitis A was discovered in 1963 by a jew named Saul Krugman who forced children to eat feces, multiple times, and when they got sick he attributed the sickness not to literally eating shit, but to a "virus" inside the feces. This is the medical equivalent of scratching a "spell" on your gun, shooting someone in the face and claiming it's not the bullet that killed them, but the voodoo incantation.
>>532812976Kek
>>532812708There’s probably 3 of us total on 4chan that knows what that is
>>532811846>It’s not impossible that in the many times that DNA has to remake itself, there is a slight difference in the DNA of an offspring that gives it a new trait.this goes against the function of DNA itself. there are entire mechanisms that make sure there are no faults in the DNA whatsoever.>>532811865>It's called coevolution or pollinator syndromes.or they were designed specifically for their role.>but when they COEVOLVE with humans, then sometimes they do...no, its just humans being retards>The analogy still holds true because the underlying mechanism is the same.no, its artificial breeding guides by Influencers (humans) which are not the smartest.
>>532813624Yes, viruses as they tell us they exist, being contagious and the cause of disease, are a complete myth and there are no studies to prove them. They are all theoretical.Every disease is a form of either poison or malnutrition, there is nothing else. And things like fever, snot, vomits and diarrhea are nothing more than cleaning process our body goes through for a variety of reasons.And the USA army, if I'm not mistaken, observed this during the Spanish flu. Did tests where sick people would spit in the mouths of healthy people or had blood transferred to them and at no point was there a transmission of disease.
>>532806750national socialists didnt believe in evolution either, hitler was big fan of arthur de gobineau & frequently quotes him in mein kampf, in his book "An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races" he lays out how minimal chages in physique are possible as an adoption to environment but rejects all major ones. eye color too has nothing to do with light conditions in any given part of the world. one has to assume that tall individuals being born to small-in-stature parents is not a random genetic mutation but a dormant gene becoming active from a former racemixing with taller ethnicities. similar to how a dark-skinned individual can be born to white parents.
What's up YouTube it's ya boy Kandetsky229 and were here today on 4chan to study far right fascists who don't understand science.As always, like and subscribe and let's get on with the show.episode #79 begins with the question: "is society failing people like these users of 4chan". What do you think chat? K, out.
>>532806750I'm so incredibly angry after reading this post.I'm going to write a long seethe post on r/atheism about it just as soon as I've dilated.
>>532814007>if I'm not mistakenYou're not, they tried everything and not a single person got sick. The only "contagion" I can even imagine would be a sympathetic reaction if a close one is going through their cleaning process and you were very close to going through it yourself, but contaminating a stranger by any mean has never been shown possible in any experiment
>>532814015>eye colorAccording to Aajonus Vonderplanits the only natural eye colour in Humans are either blue or amber (think of lions).They turn green or brown as our bodies fill with toxicity in between the cells which is the whole basis of iridology. Clean eye coloured people can still be toxic and just store toxicity in a way that does not manifest in their eyes, so inside the cell.Pic related is actually Aajonus' eyes before and after he got forcibly injected with some kind of flu vaccines.>>532814187I remember Thomas Cowan proposing a theory that our hearts function not as a pump but rather a sort of antenna. And that our bodies could possibly signal to each other when to start certain cleansing process, namely chicken pox.
>>532806750They were smaller and more wasp like, but yes, bees 50-70 million years ago were remarkably similar to modern bees.
>>532813930make that 4
>>532814518>vaccines.I sadly got that shit when I was a child, because obviously I didn't know better and had no choice, I wonder if the damage is permanent/if it can be fixed. I do have decently blue eyes, though they're between blue and gray.>And that our bodies could possibly signal to each other when to start certain cleansing process, namely chicken pox.Interesting and definitely something to investigate, there is menstrual synchronicity which was once accepted but now vehemently denied (and I do find it amusing it stuck in my head because Glenn in TWD mentioned it). As for chicken pox, indeed, and it changes a bad question into a good one: people always wonder why 2 people in a family got sick at similar times, but never why the 2 others with them did not get sick. If you take 5 people and have them all put their hand in boiling water, they'll all be burned. If diseases were as simple as "contagion", the results would be the same. Sympathetic detox must certainly be a thing, but as for many things, we lack any sort of funding and approval to study these things.
>>532810341life is not limited by theory
>>532814479delete the thread quick
>>532814834>I sadly got that shit when I was a child, because obviously I didn't know better and had no choiceSame. Got hit with about 20. Aajonus said that you lose 5% of your strength each vaccine you take, I could genuinely have double my power.You can detox vaccines, but it takes several lifetimes unless you take some aggressive measures which I haven't tried yet. Maybe in a few years when my body is stronger.Everything I now know or believe about health comes from Aajonus btw, heavily recommend his work. Maybe start with this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tOc2ELXB6Q as a basis for what he says and then look him up if you're interested. Has 2 books and hours upon hours of QnA and workshops that have all been transcribed and are easily searchable online.
>>532813984Cancer wouldn’t be a thing if that “no fault” system was perfect.
>>532815327Thank you anon, good material on the subject is hard to come by
>>532806750>he doesn't know the difference between hypothesis and theory
>>532809812>This thread is irredeemable for actual discussion on evolutionary principles.I've been lurking since 2006 and it's always been like that
>>532815422God bless you anon. For reference I have 2 years on Aajonus' diet, I know some people irl that have over 5 years on it and we all have had great results. I also believe this is a genuinely necessary step to save the White race which is why I like to share it.History to me rn is basically>Whites poison themselves with industrial revolution>Kikes come in and take advantage of this weakeness>Whites do not revolt or breed enough because they straight up don't have the energy to do so anymore. There's other factors like economy and propaganda and what have you, but our bad health is the root of the issue. Solve that and the rest will follow.
>>532815759Kikes were here far before, especially if you take examples like England, but overall you're correct. I don't know what Portuguese currently want, but I wish you get the future you desire.
>>532815381cancer happens when the immune system cant keep up with eliminating cancer cells anymore.also your average cell doesnt give information to the next generation, only the DNA of the reproductive cells.
>>532813984>no, its artificial breeding guides by Influencers (humans) which are not the smartest.Artificial selectionNatural selectionThe common mechanism is selection...
>>532806750If it works, why should it be changed? OP IS A RETARD.
>>532814184demiurge the fucking psychopath creates all this nasty stuff.
>>532815949>Kikes were here far beforeYeah we've been dealing with them since at least 711 AD when they opened the gates of Toledo.>EnglandOh, yeah. The royal family also was heavily involved with this, even recently with them banning raw milk while still consuming it themselves.And in fact, you can even trace these practices to ancient China, with their rulers keep the slaves on a mostly grain, only 5 or so % meat diet which gave them brain fog but still energy to work.But I rather keep it simple here and if you follow the thread I gave you will surely find more of this.>I don't know what Portuguese currently want, but I wish you get the future you desire.Hah, people here just want football and beaches.I'm an exception and few like me are around here. Still, what I want at the very least is for White people to survive and eventually thrive.Wish your hearts desires are fulfilled as well.
>>532809812C40H52Cl2N4O4Slet all mortal flesh keep silence
