Why shouldn't someone working at McDonald's be able to afford a place to live and food?
Because Israel needs more money
>>532808097They can do that already
>>532808097>Entry level job with no qualifications I want to raise a family, buy a mansion house, have cable tv, new iPhone, not work hard, vacation every month, go clubbing, buy slut outfits, etc, etc., and expect any job to do that for me.
>>532808097>shouldn'tis not the same as>never willWith the cost of living, you can't live on your own pretty much anywhere in the country for under about $60k/year, bare minimum. I'm not counting a handful of places because you can't fucking legislate for edge cases.This is enough to give you barebones subsistence level living without subsidy from the government. It also doesn't let you save very much.>You can't live for less?! You probably can, barely, if you look really hard and make absolutely every penny as efficient as possible, save slightly more than someone else, or live slightly more comfortably instead. $60k/year is $30/hour. Nobody is going to pay a McDonald's worker that unless they're management. By the time McDonald's starts paying that much, you will need to make $45/hour in order to live. I constantly laugh at the #fightforfifteen niggers because it's laughably low pay.
>>532808283A one bedroom apartment in Los Angeles costs over $2000.
>>532808097Because you have to pay for welfare for the neet, single moms and the banking class.Gov spending was 8% of GDP in 1900. Now its more than 40%. You literally voted for this.
>>532808546>without subsidy from the governmentI wouldn't rule it out except republicans don't want those to exist or if they do out should be part of some humiliation ritual.
>>532808097No one following orders is to feel any better. I know your niggers are 7'2 feets tall but why are they always so uncomfortable around me? In your narrative wasn't I the one to feel uncomfortable here?
>>532808097they should. We should kill all the politicians and the bankers and billionaires who have destroyed society. I stand with the true radical communists on this issue.
>>532808653>1900It's not really a benchmark for white society
>>532808541You should be at least be able to have some sort of shelter/home and raise a family even a small one. People in the past were largely farmers and they could have those things, at least.
>>532808903I disagree, i see paved roads and gutters. Something africa is yet to accomplish
>>532808097Yeah maybe things like paper routes, babysitting, and mowing the lawn should pay a living wage too?
>>532808097It's not necessary for them to even exist. Flipping burgers can be done by robots and AI.
>>532808541Put the gun to your head and pull the trigger.
>>532808097They should. Any full-time job should pay enough to afford decent food, shelter and a bit of pocket money for entertainment.
>>532809125>paper routes, babysitting, and mowing the lawnAre you insinuating that these are training jobs for children? Adults do all those things for a long time.
>>532808097because they have children when they can't afford to raise them. that's the simple reason. or they want to live 5 minutes from work in one of the most competitive real estate markets in the world.
>>532808541>Entry level jobFuck off, Jew.
>>532809322>because they have children when they can't affordAre you Larry Elder?
>>532808097McRabbi's is supposed to be a job for 11th/12th graders.
>>532810206What year is it boomer?
>>532808563Move. Are you retarded? Why dont you complain about how expensive the mansions are in beverly hills? Is it because you aren’t retarded enough to believe you should live there? Now apply that logic to living in LA
Objectively speaking, in USA, burgerflippers are more important than doctors because everyone is eating burgers all the time but barely anyone goes to the doctor as they can't afford the healthcare and when it happens the doctor basically searches google because that's what you paid for.
>>532808541Jew.
>>532808097Why would someone be working an entry-level job at McDonald's past the age of 17?
>>532808942>People in the past were largely farmers and they could have those things, at least.except they didn't have energy or running water on most cases
>>532813141Yeah, but these things are easier to give to people these days.
>>532813246yeah farmers were given a home because they could pull their own weightzoomers can't even get a fucking mcdonalds order right and they expect to be able to manage a home LMAO
>>532810910>Just pick up everything and move your life because we said so!>You don’t deserve nice things!>Only the people we arbitrarily hand elite status to like feudal nobility deserve nice things!I know what you are.
>>532808097Because a bunch of tech bro's who didn't read Nick Land decided that because they are rich and western educated they are better than everyone else, wealth shouldn't be redistributed, empathy is weakness, liberalism is dumb, humanitarianism is dumb, poor people should stay poor, dumb people should stay dumb, and they should own everything and kill everyone else.
>>532813352Don't expect for zoomers to care about you and your problems either then.
>>532813638>expecting to rely on zoomers at any point in your life
>>532808097McDonalds was never supposed to be a lifetime career, unless you worked in management. It was supposed to be a job for teenagers entering the workforce so they could gain experience. But because of kikes importing browns and driving up the cost of everything, people have become dependent on the most menial of jobs just to survive. This is why they expect a living wage flipping burgers.
>>532808097They can. They simply think renting a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house on a McDonalds salary is sustainable. Hint, it isn't. You tailor your living conditions to the amount of income you have. Want better conditions? Make more money. Get a skill that's in demand. Get a job that's in demand. McDonalds is not the career you think it is
>>532808097As usual, the truth is in the middle. Yes, minimum wage should be a livable wage that affords you the ability to put a roof over your head and feed yourself. However, younger generations also feel very entitled to a higher standard of living that a "bare minimum livable wage" wouldn't afford. That roof over your head is probably going to be a shitty apartment in a bad part of town, not a luxury condo. Your car is going to be a used clunker, not a new luxury car. Minimum is minimum.
>>532813703I'm pretty sure the greatest expense today is rent and trump has done jack shit to lower housing prices
>>532813703>Muh immigrants Yep thats what the light up box tells you. Keep listening to what the people in the light box tell you.
>>532813875Imagine thinking a kike puppet who was picked to crash the economy is going to fix things?
>>532808097because you suck at managing your money
>>532813887What do you expect when you flood a White country full of third world browns? They're not immigrants, they're invaders. The jews want them here to displace Whites. It's not about compassion, or wanting them to have a better life. The jews just want to fuck over amalek, aka Whites. Also, how many have flooded into America and things haven't gotten better. It's almost like those browns haven't improved shit for anyone.
>>532814254and you will keep voting to get replaced LEGALLY
>>532814310>votingWrong, faggot spic. I don't vote. It's fake, gay, and jewish.
>>532814368reminder that 80 million americans sold their country to isreal for 2k dollars that they didn't even get LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>532814447Reminder that you also have a kike for a president. Cope.
>>532814525now tell me between our countrieshow many times has bibi been in your countryhow many times have our countries given money to isrealhow many times our politicians went to kiss the kike wall
>>532814604>my jew president is better than yoursholy cope
>>532808097Your rightful place is to bunk up with a bunch of browns in a shitty flophouse and cook slop in the filthy communal kitchen.
>>532814777Kys
>>532814676now tell me how many mexicans have died fighting for isreal in the middle east LMAO
>>532808541Axe wound a little stinky today?
>>532814818Just the unfortunate ones who were dumb enough to move here and join the military, Pedro. Your people are mostly safe because the jews consider them a bioweapon to use against Whites. How lucky for you.
>>532808563Your problem is that you feel McDonald's workers are entitled to a single apartment for themselves. They cannot afford that, which is why they need roommates, preferably other McDonald's workers at their same restaurant so they can commute together to save money for a house.Their circumstances should be a giant motivation for them to work harder to get that not to stay at McDonald's til they are 60.
They should be able to. A minimum wage worker should at least be able to afford a one bedroom apartment. Housing needs to be in line with wages
>>532815076>>532815169even the simpsons joked about fast food jobs being dead end for teenagers onlyand this was in the 90s
>>532814818Your kind aren't good at fighting, so mossad doesn't want you in the middle east. Rather, your kind will be a more docile and willing slave wagie class to replace whites. Step out of line and the mossad run cartel will cut you down.
>>532808942T. Used to work literally at McDonalds when I was in highschool. After about 8 months of slaving away at that piece of shit, I used my experience to get a better paying job at an actual restaurant. After about 6 months of that I used my impeccable work history to get a job in the trades. Graduated, stayed in the trades, got a raise to $20/hour because I was reliable and good at it, started my own company at 27, saved all my money, quit construction, went back to college for engineering at 30 and now make $150k/ year at 35. McDonalds is a SHIT job. It doesn't require any thinking and everything is nearly automated to the point that the only thing it needs is warm bodies. Even downies work there. If you can't get a better job after school than McDonalds you may as well have downs syndrome. If you eat at McDonalds you may as well have downs syndrome.McDonalds is not a real job. Its a stepping stone for young people to prove they can be reliable to get a better job and if you aren't using it for that then good luck because life is hard. I never expected to make more than minimum wage working at CuckDonalds (16 years old) because it was piss easy and awful which prompted me to change gears and do more.
>>532808757wat
>>532808097because mr shlomo needs to buy a 3rd yacht, you greedy goy
>>532813887>massively increase population>keep housing largely the same>keep jobs largely the same
>>532815346"Real jobs" are impossibly gate kept, be it the billion years experience plus connections plus 10000 applications needed with a degree or all the nepotism and union bullshit to do blue collar bullshit that will wreck your health. Some tradies roll in money while others dig ditches and are fucking tarbabies mopping roofs on 100 degree days covered in burns and tar for pocket change. No fucking rhyme or reason, no meritocracy just lucky boomers coasting along that pulled the ladder up behind them or those who won the roll of the dice that is employment. Thats the employment pill.
>>532815169McDonalds pays like $14/hr around starting where I live. No one is making minimum wage anymore, anon. I will agree that rent is high compared to 20 years ago but thats because the FED keeps printing fucking money. I watched building materials triple in price over the years I was a tradie which is why rent/insurance etc is ridiculous. When some rentoid destroys a kitchen or bathroom it costs a lot to fix. Plus, you have to paint, change the carpet and locks etc with each new renter which is expensive now. Its hard to tell if everyone that is assuming minimum wage has ever had a job or just completely out of touch with reality.
>>532815875$14 per hour is the de facto minimum wage in most of America. You won't find a job offering less than that outside of the poorest states.
>>532808097Because they're cattle. All goys shouldn't be allowed property. They shouldn't even live long enough to consider it, their job is to serve until they die. Quickly if we get them doing real work and not just meaningless activity to keep them preoccupied.
>>532815821This isnt the case at all. This is some made up shit. I never even worked for a union. If you're willing to learn, show up on time, and are willing to buy some tools, you can get a job as a carpenter pretty damn easily. Its just intimidating to some people because you cant be a little bitch all the time about everything. You have to roll with the punches and take shit from the older guys for a while until you can actually be trusted to install, for example, a window without shitting the bed. And even then someone is going to check your work and show you how its done. Carpentry kinda sucks because it doesnt pay as well electrical or mechanical but when the god-tier skills you learn translate to many many other professions and being able to save you tons of money when you actually buy a house.
>>532815821That's the same anywhere in the world. Nepotism and gatekeeping. Some doofuses act like everybody can become a general manager if they just worked harder. Duh, no. There's always going to be 50 low-paid wagies and 1 general manager, no matter how hard the wagies grind away.
>>532815346Here’s the thing, back in the mid 00s when I was 18 I had a minimum wage full time job and could afford to rent my own apartment. If I lived in that same area today working 16 dollars an hour it would be unaffordable.
>>532815875When I worked at shitdonalds I made $7.25/hr. It fucking sucked. Thats why I only stuck around long enough until I get another job making more with the experience. Even 16 year old me knew to get my poop in a group if I wanted a less shit job making more.
>>532815695>increase populationThis is mostly never a bad thing. Immigration doesn't mean letting infinite people in.>keep housing largely the same>keep jobs largely the sameThis isn't immigrants fault.
>>532816223Man, where I live everyone is a half-assed carpenter handyman type and popping opioids and not really getting ahead, yet there are trades like lineman that make six figures out there but there's a lot more leveling up needed for some slob off the street to get to that income. There's always some way of controlling the supply of workers to keep pay up for those that are already in. Lotta Mexicans out there too and they are doing so much of this shit - yeah the workmanship is shit but cheapskate homeowners don't care.
>>532816294Rent definitely doubled. I checked my first apartment i had in 2008 and it went from 600/mo to $1200. Quickmaffs, with a roommate you could afford that with 1200/mo to spare working full time at 14/hr after taxes and you will get back all your federal taxes at the end of the year and maybe some state. You also qualify for food stamps, Medicare etc.
>>532816375Meant for. >>532816082
>>532816656>with a roommate I didn’t need one in the mid 00s. I didn’t need gibs either. My studio apartment was 400 dollars a month, about 1/3 of my minimum wage take home pay
>>532808563>LAIn Florida, texas, arizona, New York and other places too
>>532810910How about fucking no? You want Californians in your state?
Can't see McJobs lasting much longer at this point - locations are already whittled down to prison like boxes with minimal sit down amenities and automated kiosk ordering. Prep is easily automated with robots. Whole places will be a worker or two to turn the lights off and look after the machines.
>>532816881Texas generally has a low cost of living unless you live in a metropolitan area. I don't care about those "people." They're effectively insects.
>>532817090In rural areas you get raped by driving costs. People are really going to be fucked in a few years when all the 90s and early 00s used cars finally die
>>532816635Youre not wrong. My first carpentry job was an absolute nightmare. I stuck it out and after learning doors, windows, and trim it got another job starting at $20/hr plus O.T. There are a lot of bad carpenters because they dont know how how to do algebra/trig or even know why a speed square has the values they do on them lol. I was willing to learn all that which made carpentry ezpz. >"oh man. My angle guage says its 68° angle but my miter saw I never bothered to learn how zero only goes to 45°"Agreed. Most people actually suck at carpentry and can't solve these problems on the fly.
>>532808097Reheating frozen goyslop isn't a job
>>532808097If McDonald's does not pay you enough, then find another job.If enough people refuse to work there, they will be forced to offer more money.Nobody is entitled to food or shelter, as these things require effort to produce.If the value of your labor is insufficient to afford these things, then that is a skill issue.In nature, animals that cannot find food starve, and those that cannot find shelter freeze.Life is cruel, get used to it.
>>532817325The problem is that there’s massive demand for cheap shitbox housing but the government refuses to allow it to be built. The economy is not responding to market forces. If they built tenements and commie blocks they would rent the units out gangbusters but they don’t
>>532817090Texas has been low cost since 2016, boomer
>>532817325>If enough people refuse to work there, they will be forced to offer more moneyThat's not what's happening. They're just closing locations/ moving elsewhere. They won't even lower the cost of the fucking slop they sell. They don't give a shit about paying their employees more. And if the law forces them to, then they just cut hours.
>>532813478Anon is pointing out that the cost of living in LA is absurdly and unrealistically high. It sucks if you are rooted there and haven’t found a way to be significantly overpaid to keep up or inherited a lot of wealth. A lot of the white middle class southern Californians had middle class parents who were significantly overpaid but also started out with cheaper housing. Despite being middle class and having jobs that were not anything special, their income level anywhere else in the country would be considered rich (or upper middle class at the least). Even millennials inheriting these houses can’t afford the taxes and can’t afford to keep up. It’s pricing you out. Your only realistic choice is to move even to more northern rural California where the cost of living and housing is more normal. It will not change otherwise.
>>532817325>If McDonald's does not pay you enough, then find another job.>If enough people refuse to work there, they will be forced to offer more money.Of course all of this is correct in theory and sounds great on paper, but we have seen the reality of why this doesn't work. People as a general whole are too disorganized and don't work together to use their numbers to effectuate these sorts of changes. Then you factor in things like the constant importing of cheap, often illegal labor, and it becomes absolutely impossible. There will always be someone willing to take that minimum wage job, even if they have to come from Mexico to do it.
>>532816808The minimum wage where you live must have been like 50-100% higher than where I was living. That would have been half of what I was taking home.
>>532817325Material prices are insanely high which makes shitboxes incredibly expensive. I built an 1800sqft shitbox for like 80k total in 2016 with a friend of mine but that would cost 200k now. It really isnt about the government. No one wants to build houses because its not that profitable.
>>532817709It was more like 40%, above 1/3 but less than half, and I lived in a state without state income tax. Rent roughly doubled but the cheapest units have almost tripled and pay didn’t, and the cost of everything else is more expensive now too. You could live poor back then and figure out how to not have a roommate but now you can’t
>>532809290Depends on the money generated by the job. If you work full time to generate $30 then no, you don’t deserve that. However fast food workers do generate profits, and should be paid accordingly. If we actually made it so corporations had to pay say, 75% of REAL hourly profits to the employees, I bet a lot of people would be shocked by these “low skill” workers pay. Low skill is a psyop to convince boomers to pay shit wages.
>>532817694This may be anecdotal but I hired genz guys and a lot of them quit to work fast food because "its easier and pays about the same". Its like, yea, but if you stop showing up late and high and I can trust you do more than clean up trash and hump material I would pay you more. "You're a try hard, yo". Some people are just fucking retarded. Im not ragging on gen z but this was a common conversation. Working fast food doesn't even teach you to cook. It doesn't teach you anything other than working in fast food sucks balls.
>>532808097Because...
>>532818103McDonalds is kind of a special case, too, because they pay roughly the same in yearly dividends as they do payroll. They have some of the highest per anum payouts to investors at something like 7.14/share/per number.Do what you will with that information.
>>532817605Yes, entry level jobs don’t pay a lot. Illegals get fake ein and work there; they sleep 20 to an apartment. You want to live like a McDonald worker have at it. Lay off the bong and hustle my man.
>>532817694Yes, that is why you don’t bitch like a cunt that your deadend job doesn’t pay enough.
>>532810206How do they run lunch during the week then?
>>532818696A pot smoking minimum wage teenager back in the day could live in a shitbox and take the bus everywhere and have enough money for hot pockets and beer without needing a roommate.
>>532818103Why don’t yo7 start your own restaurant? WTF should McDonald’s pay a percentage of their earnings to employees? You offer a job at a rate; if no one shows up, then you increase it. If some nigger is willing to work for less you bette4 find your niche somewhere else. (You) are not bringing much to the table Anon.
>>532808097> Why shouldn't someone working at McDonald's be able to afford a place to live and food?Because they work at fucking McDonald’s that why!You want a house and eat well? Contribute something useful to society.
What sort of place. According to the job it usually has never afforded a 'nice' apartment or house with one income. Where you live and what type of house matters. Since you can work w2 legally at 14, that's when you start this job. At 18 you have 4 years experience in all kinds of skills that translates to other work or advancing within the company. If you are waiting until 28 for your first entry level job you can advance but you are almost 30y into a 60y viability span. It's later than you think. Only in America do you believe the least amount of effort should yield grand results on the cheap simply because you exist.
>>532818696>lay off the bongThis is a massive problem. Weed is so strong now days that its basically a day wrecker. It totally nukes motivation and makes people content with being a mundane low-effort pleb. Anyone that says otherwise is full on coping. Weed can help with creativity when you already have something established that you love doing but when you're a pleb all its going to do is nuke your motivation to do shit you don't want to do which ends up being things like taking a shower, finding a better job, and cleaning your room/penis (literally and metaphorically).
>>532818987Fine then government needs to fill the gap of they can't afford housing, food abs healthcare.
>>532818942I lived back in the day and it was not like you described. You want to live like a nigger, work a nigger job. Kids mowing lawns were not renting apartments. At least McDonald’s gave you 1 meal. You get paid what the job will pay and a good portion of the time (you) are not worth it.
>>532819212>I lived back in the dayWe can tell, boomer
>>532818942I worked in retail, making $6-7 an hour and could still afford my shit. I feel bad for zoomers. No wonder so many are NEET.
>>532819199Why? They will OD or whore themselves out. Welfare is a slow descent into hell. We all know the leadass who at 40 has bad teeth, 2 sets of clothes and a shitbox; it sucks, and 5heir nice guys, but they aren’t my kids or societies responsibility.
>>532819294You throw around boomer like it is a pejorative; everything you still need to do, I have done. Step up and take your best cut at the ball, the world will see what you’re made of. My guess is you still think someone owes you something, that is why you are a nigger.
>>532819212Nigger you are lying. Back in the day any full time over the table minimum wage job could get you a studio apartment, and you didn’t need roommates and had enough disposable income to smoke weed and party.
>>532819092>If you are waiting until 28 for your first entry level job you can advance but you are almost 30y into a 60y viability span. It's later than you thinkWho knew you could work at 5 years old? Only in fucking America - at best he's a couple of years into employment timeline. Who the fuck cares anyways.
>>532808097I always ask people who talk about this why don't they don't their own hamburger joint and pay the employees $50 an hour.Then all you get is excuse after excuse. Why can't do it and it's up to mcdonalds to do it.
>>532819613No fucking way.
>reject modern life>embrace return to monke>go deep into government land>start chopping trees for cabin>day 3: finally getting somewhere>park ranger spawns behind me>"sir you can't build here">get fined and arrested>go to jail>get out>owe thousands in restitution>go back anyway>park ranger already has my name on a report>this time it's not a warning>get arrested immediately>judge recognizes me>"you again?">try to explain I'm just living off the land>judge not impressed>get probation + bigger fines>get out>still have half-built cabin in the woods>go back anyway>park ranger doesn't even react this time>just radios it in>realize the cabin will never be finished>modern life rejected me back
>>532819447>Why I'm operating on the assumption that Republicans want to gas the poor. Most of them feel this way but won't say it out loud. It's just like they will only say nigger in private to hide their preference and deceive their fellow citizens.
>>532808563why dont you live in Monaco?
>>532819643Then a government run social safety net needs to fill the gap.
>>532808097Flip my burger and shut up wagie
>>532819447>Welfare is a slow descent into hell. We all know the leadass who at 40 has bad teeth, 2 sets of clothes and a shitbox; it sucksThat actually sounds like every working methbilly I know in poor upstate NY - busting their ass at odd jobs, meth mouth, dirt poor, just enough money for a pack of smokes and gas to get to the next odd job, forget welfare. And forget about descent - they are already in hell.
>>532819601>pejorativeIt's not a pejorative. You just sound like a typical out of touch boomer coming in here and ranting about how kids today just need to hustle more and pull bootstraps and blah blah blah. You can't even see how outdated your platitudes are because you still see the world like it's still the 1970s
>>532819649Lmao nigger my weekly take home pay back in 07 was 260 dollars a week and my studio apartment was 400 dollars a month. Power was like fifty dollars a month. All other bills were covered. I didn’t need a car and spent about 20 dollars a week on the bus. My cell phone bill was like 40 dollars a month. Food was cheap. I had plenty of money
>>532819697>I'm operating on the assumption that Republicans want to gas the poor.Pic controls the Repugs via his puppet Vance and has explicitly stated the poor will be sealed into pods, "waxed in like bee larvae" when techbros are in control. Guess what? All the techbro capital investment in AI and robots will then put all these proud, haughty "mUh J0B!" wagies on the unemployment line, redundant and thus on the next cattle car to The Pods. And oh how they will cry how unfair it is, but nobody will hear their screams and the pod closes on them.
>>532819643>Hypothetically speaking, why don't you open a hypothetical burger joint, and then in this hypothetical scenario, why don't you hypothetically pay your hypothetical employees $50 an hour? Haha I gotcha there!I don't think you're ever actually asked anyone this. At least, I hope you haven't, because it's one of the most retarded GOTCHAS I've ever seen
>>532819697I want everyone to want to do well, it makes people easier to deal with and the services I pay for come to me better. Everyone struggled. What a fucking privileged life you live that all you want is to work not to hard to smoke weed. You are a bum and they always existed too. Weed is the new alcohol. You’ll end up dead in an alley or down in Kensington. I wouldn’t hire you at McDonald’s.
>>532808097Because working a white collar job isn't affording me a place to live
>>532819613Minimum wage "back in the day" was paying less than $300/week, anon. Its now like $500. Lol. You're saying that zooms cant afford a 2 bedroom at $1200/month apartment with a roomy on $500/week working at mcdicks?
>>532820198Now do rent "back in the day" vs rent today
>>532820103A crackhead literally typed out this post
>>532820198No I’m saying zooms can’t afford to have anything even close to the lifestyle that 260 dollars a week in the 00s could get you.
>>532819813More like the 90’s. No platitudes dummy, I am telling you to work harder because the world is passing you by. No niceties, the world is a hard place. I remember just thinking if I could make a $1,000/wk how I could be on my own. I was 18 and lived with a friend in a $1,200/month shack. I worked 60 a week, got my cash, and decided to get a second job. Money comes easy to those who want to work. Brand new world when you work, all you see is opportunity.
>>532820306Never did drugs anon, it is counter-productive.
>>532820535Meanwhile a somali lives on your tax dollars
>>532808563I live 2 miles from the beach in Florida and my rent isnt even 1500 for a 2 bedroom. Dont live in metropolitan shit holes like LA or Tribeca
>>532813478>just pick up everything and moveYes. This is what you should do. Move to an area with better prospects and more reasonable prices or stay in a broke ass area filled with Mexicans and niggers.
>>532816881Florida is insanely cheap outside of Jacksonville, Miami, Orlando. Especially in the panhandle
>>532820535Nigger 1200 in the 90s would get you a fucking palace lmao
>>532819813>a 25 year old is a kid in the current yearThe youngest gen z is 18 years old. Theyre either in college or should be working to get some experience. If you arent making 30k at 25 you quite literally need to get it together and start doing things you really don't want to do. 30k is like $15 an hour lol. 30k is poverty tier but you can 100% afford an apartment anywhere in the u.s with that. It just might not be that nice. The fact that zooms want to call everyone a boomer that points this out is weird. Im a millenial FYI. I was making more than 30k a year when I was 22 without a college education. I just did shit I didn't want to do and saved money instead of blowing it on bullshit. I really don't understand the doomer mentality. Once you put yourself out there you would be surprised how many people are willing to put you on if you remain consistent and reliable.
>>532820786>you can afford an apartment anywhere in the US with that LMAO no
>>532813703>. It was supposed to be a job for teenagers entering the workforce so they could gain experience.Who made this rule? Why are you regurgitating the same boomer faggot talking points? Do you have any clue how many people make careers from food service?
>>532820786You really love typing out rambling bullshit posts about nothing, huh? Don't you have some more manual labor to do?
>>532820937Im sure your predicting this on average rent prices across the entire country instead of being a reasonable human being and admitting that minimum wagies have never been able to afford apartments in Manhattan. If youre a pleb then maybe you should move out of the city your hard-working parents worked their ass off to be able to afford to live in.
>>532808097what do you mean a place to food
>>532821146My studio apartment I paid 400 dollars a month for in 2007 was ten miles outside of fucking Seattle. I’m not a zoomer you can’t pull the wool over my eyes with your kikery. I KNOW how much worse it is now
>>532821146Why is the same cop out from you faggots>hurrr durrr dont live in X big cityDo you really think things are better in small towns? Are you genuinely retarded or completely out of touch?
>>532820995I work from home, akshually. Im also working on my masters in EE. Feels good.
>>532817325it's people like this that get lost in the woods and then need to get rescued, or lose everything due to some unfortunate occurrence and end up begging everyone they know for help while crying and getting on anxiety meds. you're not as cold as you larp to be. you don't have to believe me, life will teach you, eventually.
>>532821425>over glorified neet with zero skills telling others to do more manual labor and achually things are getting worseCANNOT make this shit up.
>>532808097Why does Karen feel the right to attack the retard that's happy to work at McDonald's?
I make about 50k a year and literally cant afford the cheapest studio apartment available in my area, it would cost half of my income every month. my fault for fucking up my life and chasing a worthless dream but fucking demoralizing I have to live in a house with 7 roommates or sleep on the street.
>>532821645>life will teach you, eventually.That'd require self awareness.
>>532810910No McDonalds allowed in LA, got it!
>>532821383https://www.rent.com/washington/seattle-apartments/max-price-800It seems like there are apartments in that area for $800/month. The minimum wage in Seattle is over $20/hour, not $7.25. Got anymore brainbusters?
That's not a fake smile of depression and question every decision he made in life up to the point of working at McDonald's.He a genuine retard fuck off Karen.
And he managed to do his job just fine for 5 years until Karen got mad someone was smiling.
>>532808541>People who work should forced to live on the streets. Get into the oven kike.
>>532812775Because their only experience prior to the age of 17 is an entry level job at McDonald’s
Derr look I am a plane.If you say so...
>>532819642He can legally work w2 at 14. Just because mom foots the bill is no excuse for not having your own. Get off the bus after school at your job and make a few hundred a week while mom is all expenses paid. Don't and you are a legal adult in 48 months with no experience at all. Death nell.
>>532821865These types of places are extremely uncommon. Back in the day every suburb was full of affordable apartments.
>>532822296Those arent in the suburbs, are they? I searched Seattle proper, i thought. I don't even think gen z has a problem other than doomscrolling and thinking its ogre when never in the history of mankind has it been less ogre.
>>532815875>rent is high compared to 20 years ago but thats because the FED keeps printing fucking moneyThat's not it at all.Shitbag investors and speculators buy property, flip houses. These people do whatever shit renos work well enough as a facade to make it look newer, keeping the property unnaturally overvalued. what would have been a less expensive "fixer upper" is now a full priced home. This keeps all nearby property more expensive too.
Was a Manager at KFC.$10 an hour is a petter job.Fucking Christ.
>>532808097Because they are inconsequential little people who don't matter. They should work, produce the next generation of workers, die in their 40s-50s, so that their spawn can do the same thing, ad infinitum; while those of us on the right side of the bell curve can actually enjoy the world.
>>532822537That is the problem. Rent is high because material costs are high which cause insurance to be high. Labor is high because inflation is high. It gets hit from both ends. Inflation is a bitch. T. Used to do home remodeling and got out to get a degree because overhead was crippling and I was tired of dealing with retards.
>>532822604Some people are actual retards it seems wrong to hate on them when it's really the best they can do....
>>532822492>I don't even think gen z has a problem other than doomscrolling and thinking its ogre when never in the history of mankind has it been less ogre.Every single statistic relating to cost of living, inflation, wages, and unemployment proves you wrong. You are an out of touch boomer who has a distorted view of reality because you are among the last generations to benefit before everything went to shit. You don't see the world as it exists today
>>532822492What I’m saying is that you used to be able to go all over king county and find affordable apartments anywhere except in the wealthiest neighborhoods. Now finding a place for yourself on low income is very competitive and you’re limited to micro apartments. The studio I had back in 07 was fairly large with an actual kitchen
This thread makes me wonder how much money do these corporations spent to influence these discussions.
>>532808541newspaper boys in the 50s could make enough to buy house
>>532808097McDonalds used to hire a lot of teens as their first working experience. They could pay them minimum wage and not worry about it because the teens lived with their parents. Then some asshat put it into teens' heads that working at McDonalds was beneath them (a McJob) and so they had to hire adults and immigrants to fill the jobs.Working at McDonalds unless you're a manager or higher isn't meant to be worth a living wage.
>>532822774Those should be put in special places where there's video cameras everywhere and a lot of funny items that can cause them non-fatal injuries, things that are really confusing, mirrored hallways, and the like. The retards will be fed and clothed at this place and allowed to live there, but all of their antics will be streamed for the entertainment of others.
>>532822993Working at Mcdonalds has never been worth it, ever.
>>532822978The normal 9 to 5 is not that bad.Try working a 6am to 5 pm. Then the IRS tells you you didn't pay enough for niggers.
>>532822604>while those of us on the right side of the bell curve can actually enjoy the world.Intelligence is not necessarily something that equals monetarily enjoying the room. I have a BS I received with academic distinction and all sorts of interests but have never held any form of employment and inherited a house and derive income via non employment means. I really enjoy life and appreciate wagies that make the world function on one end, and entitled white collar workers with gate kept jobs on the other I simply scratch my head at. Bohemian life, I guess.
>>532822993Back in the day you’d walk into a McDonald’s and there was like 20 people in the back. Now they have two or three middle aged Mexicans doing all the work. No teenager is going to be able to keep up with the workload
>>532818876>How do they run lunch during the week then?stay at home mothers working a few hours while the kids are in school, elderly people who don't need to work a full time job.
>>532822785Yes, and every single statistic shows that gen z makes more money, are more likely to be enrolled in college, and have a higher percentage of parents with bachelor degrees than any generation before them creating higher upward mobility. Poorfags and educationlets that are struggling need to adapt because things are changing. Are things more expensive? Yes. Do people make more money? Yes. Is gen z in a better position their millenial and genx counterparts at the same age? Yes.
>>532823214Right but the Californians that complain the most about the cost of living go ape shit angry on any independent contractors?
>>532808097their job is to sell food, not buy food
I worked at a fast food place once for probation. Many a slice of cheese past through my butt cheeks on the way to the hamburger.They where so mad about it they deleted my record.Well eat shit bitch.You didn't learn anything!
>>532808563yeah and its state law there that mcdonalds workers specifically get paid extra
>>532823361>gen z makes more money,>Do people make more money? Yes. Is gen z in a better position their millenial and genx counterparts at the same age? Yes.No. This is simply not true, especially not after you adjust for inflation and certainly not when you compare real income to cost of living. Every single study shows this to be wrong and it's not even close. The fact that this is your belief system is exactly my point about how out of touch you are with the current reality.
>>532808097mcdonalds jobs are not careers supposed to support independent livesthese are PART TIME jobs, normally reserved for people with other responsibilities who are in need of money
>>532823214And people wonder why teens are so fucking soft now. Are Mexicans just genetically bred to do tasks faster or work harder, or is it taught?
>>532823828Back in the day they’d tell you McDonald’s jobs aren’t meant to support families and rent you a white picket fence house. Now they tell you they’re not meant to support “independent lives” even if you’re a bachelor who lives in the hood in a roach box lmao. That is NOT the way things were twenty years ago
>>532815695>keep housing largely the same>keep jobs largely the sameWhile immigration is obviously out of control, these are mostly due to regulatory capture. People who already own houses (middle/upper middle class/rich people) benefit from housing being scarce as their owned property increases in value more and more. Its people who have to enter the housing market who get fucked, and who usually have the least power to change this.Imagine buying a house for 400k and then finding out government relaxed the rules for building/plans to build a billion houses, what does that do to the price of your house and the future prospects of your investment? Now multiply that by the entire economy and you see the problem
>>532823966Lmao back when teens did those jobs they hired A LOT of them. Teens aren’t battle-hardened sweat shop laborers. There was never a McDonald’s in America at any point in time that had two or three teens doing everything
It's not the work it's expecting to be nice to people rather than sliding a cheese single between your butt cheeks before slapping it on their food.
>>532823768Brother, do you think we werent in the death-grip of inflation in the mid/late 2000s when minimum wage was $7.25/hr? My cellphone bill was $70/month. Gas was like $5/gal. My rent was $600/month. My car note was $250/month. Insurance was $150/month. Groceries were maybe half but I couldnt go grab a McDonald's gig at $14+/hr while getting free state money to go to college. Fuck, I had to get a scholarship by winning a national competition for innovation to even consider college. Zoomers, where you live can go grab any shit job and make $21/hr. Thats nearly 3x the pay these same jobs were paying when we were their age. When you stop comparing national averages and focus locally, its not as bad as the doomers make it seem. Im not denying shit isnt fucked but it was even more fucked when I was in my 20s.And yes. You literally have to pull yourself up by the boot straps. I have had to change careers 3 times in 15 years and because I work my ass off I land on my feet. All that after breaking my back in 5 places.
>>532808541But I dont want a $50 big Mac.
>>532808541>why shouldn't a job pay a liveable wage?>YEAH WHAT ABOUT ALL THIS OTHERSTUFF I MADE UP SO MY POSITION ISN'T SO COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE HUH!?you sure boomer'd him
Say want you want but your going to eat as much shit as you talk.
>>532824609Lmao wtf were you doing back then with a car payment like that? Before cash for clunkers anyone could get a car that’d last a year or so for like 500 dollars
>>532824609>ignore the data and just listen to my anecdotal bullshitNo. And you're going for a masters in EE? lol>You literally have to pull yourself up by the boot strapsYou already sound like a retarded, rambling boomer without needing to go full meme
>>532825367The MSEE is a head scratcher, thought he was a fucking carpenter? What a load of bullshit.
>>532808097If they save their money and dont waste it on stupid shit, then they can. The problem is that people think they should never have to live frugally
>>532812775There shouldn't be "entry level jobs ". Men used to support a family with a house and cars and stay at home wife on a bus driver's wages or working at a gas station or grocery store. This was deliberately changed to force women into the workforce and increase the precarity of the lower end of society. Not everyone is going to be a doctor or engineer. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to have a life.
>>532825367Ignore the data. I was pointing out that the "data" is based on national averages which if you know anything about statistics is fucking retarded. Why would you honestly consider the living costs in the most expensive areas of the u.s when considering "averages". Mean average is fucking retarded and essentially a nonsequitor. Yes, im working on a masters degree. You're an uneducated midwit that couldn't even understand the absurdity of the "data". My job is applied mathematics and science and im paid to NOT make retarded mistakes like assuming mean average is relevant when working with local minima and maxima like some peasant.
>import millions of cheap workers every year>wtf why aren't wages going upIts a fucking mystery, gee whiz its such a big fucking mystery nobody can solve it. The biggest impossible equation of our time.
>>532825898The fact that not every job is sufficient to raise a family nowadays is the major driver for stagnant births.I feel like they forced the whole women joining the workforce thing because the soviets were doing it and the west was afraid that they'd be outpaced in productive terms due to workforce limitations.
>>532826090If you were a low tier wagie back then and still a low tier wagie now, you’d know it’s worse for low tier wagies now. It’s just the way it is, not really sure how you can argue that by trying to look at the numbers which you yourself say is not accurate. The problem with trying to argue your position is that you’re ignoring both the data that is heavily stacked against you as well as all the anecdotal accounts, which is also stacked against you.
>>532820684This. Just give up and move away. It's that easy.
>>532826431Yea man. Making 3x the minimum wage with public access to the world's knowlege at the tip of your fingers is a pretty decent trade-off. Unfortunately, the american dream of sitting on your ass and doing nothing while someone takes care of you was never actually viable.
>>532808097Such an arrangement was the exception, not the rule 1950s–1970s was probably the only time single peasants could have their own place for minimum wage, in the history of mankind, not counting mud huts/communal living.
>>532826431Here's another statistic: 100% of americans live better than 80% of humanity and yet we still have people complaining about how hard they have it. Thats the kind of retarded shit you get when you consider mean average deviation with is what the "data" is. The average human is a han Chinese male. Is that relevant to you? Are most of the people you're encountering han chinese?
>>532826431>all the anecdotal accounts,I'm here to listen to your anecdotes. How long have you been a chef at McDonalds? Are you currently homeless? When is the last time you missed a meal?
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>>532808563McDonald's workers aren't supposed to live in LA
>>532808097Because a robot can do that job.
>>532827745>it just happened for no reasonI want government policy that will sustain it.
>you don't have a right to employment
>>532832869A lot of complex shit beyond the control of low-income housing Americans in the 40s happened to provide such a windfall. No Hitler? no small hat bankers? no US industries specific to the time period creating trade surplus for reconstruction in eu/japland? no houses for wagies (the white ones that is). It's a pipe dream if you don't steal, burn or loot other peoples stuff.
>>532810910IFYOUWANTPEOPLETOSTAFFTHEMCDONALDSTHEYHAVETOLIVENEARTHATMCDONALDSTHATINCLUDESMCDONALDSINRICHAREAS
>>532808541National socialist here, the Judeo-Capitalist exploitation of the white race is coming to an end, and race traitors will be brought to justice.
McDonald's ain't a career.
>>532835802That concept is completely lost on your fellow countrysharts.
>>532808097Well?Try it. Put a food store. Deal with the zoomers, pay them enough to afford a house AND pay taxes to fund NATO and every single trannies and feminist Globohomo whims.I'll wait.
lots o real worlders itt
>>532808097Maybe that's a problem for the government and not private industry. The free market regulating the prices of housing isn't working to the benefit of the people, and the purpose of allowing the free market to function was to maximize the benefit to the people in availablity and cost. So the answer is for the federal government to step in and build houses. Community projects with built in police stations to keep the niggers in check.
>>532836172But walmart is, right faggot? Careers don't exist anymore unless you are DEI, connected, have nepotism etc.
>>532836580>But walmart isIs it? I don't know. I haven't worked there since October.>Careers don't exist anymore unless you are DEI, connected, have nepotism etc.Well it looks like you have your direction, obesityboi!
>>532836494>So the answer is for the federal government to step in and build houses.We've had that since the 1950s, there's likely a section ape housing project right nearby whatever McDonald's you're working as a chef for right now.
>>532808838I concur.
>>532835802They gonna get packed together like a can of sardines sonn
>>532820786Kek!
