Being really strict towards murderers in sentencing and punishment does not have the effect of creating less murders. The kind of person to be dissuaded into not murdering out of fear of punishment is not the kind of person to commit murder anyway. You have to realize that the criminal mind is not like yours or mine. The justice system exists to keep people whose minds are broken away from the populace, not to fix them or to serve as a warning.
>>532827321The point of punishing criminals is not deterrence, but because the criminals are deserving of punishment and we would be wrong to be lenient of evil acts.The entire criminal justice system is fucked from repeat offenders, not because of poor rehabilitation, but because such repeat offenders cannot he redeemed and must be eliminated.
>>532827321>The criminal mind is not like yours or mine>The justice system exists to keep people whose minds are broken away from the populace, not to fix them or to serve as a warningYou realize thats why we need steep penalties and why we need to remove all the compromised people right?Whioe we're at it we need to remove all rules which downplay or reclassify crimes to hide them.Blacks own the mass shooting category 100000x over.
>>532827571I sort of disagree because they don't understand why they are being punished fundamentally but I get the overall point of justice.
>>532827321Why just murder?I'm pretty sure that if we brutally publicly executed all shoplifters it would reduce shoplifting
>>532827321matt walsh's beard looks like nigger pubic hair, probably because he gets faced fuck by big black cock every time he "goes out of town" for a "work trip."
>>532827624I am fine with steep penalties but reject the notion that they are a deterrent.
>>532827321>The kind of person to be dissuaded into not murdering out of fear of punishment is not the kind of person to commit murder anyway.People commit crimes for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes it's impulsive, sometimes not. Sometimes criminals think it's worth the calculated risk, so in that case, a steeper penalty dissuades. So the obvious point is, that if you kill a murderer, he cannot murder again, which means impulsive criminals would be removed from society forever. Removing all repeat crime is a big effect straight away whether it dissuades or not.
>>532827321The kind of person too stupid to not murder is stopped from murdering extremely effectively by being removed from society permanently.
>>532827321kill yourself shill
>>532827738If they're too stupid to understand they're being punished, they cannot be considered moral actors, and you can just cull them like the dangerous primates they've shown themselves to be.
>>532827775They're a deterrent for anyone who can contemplate the action and penalty.For the rest, they're a real barrier that removes these people from society.The point is segregating people who will become or are repeat offenders from society.Our ancestors knew exile is the strongest penalty.
>>532827321>this is the person telling me apparently im not a woman LOLlmao evenDoctors and Scienctists laughing at this dood with me. No wonder the entire scientific world has my back if THIS is what im going up against
>>532827321Rehabilitation for violent people doesn't happen. Some inmates just get old and slow, and appear to have outgrown their wicked ways, but they wouldn't think twice about breaking any law they knew they could get away with if you let them go.That said, the knowledge that there will be no real consequences does drive some "people" to be very amoral on that basis alone, whereas the knowledge that the could face a torturous death could make even a retarded nigger think twice, and if it doesn't, torturous death for him. Nigger culture is based partly in the fact that they can predict their punishments, and if they're not facing the needle, some of them think getting street cred in exchange for a dime in prison is worth is. They'll be with their friends, anyway.>>532827571violent offenders proven guilty without a doubt should be executed on an empty stomach - not even worth a last meal
>>532827738>because they don't understand why they are being punishedThen they should be imprisoned forever or executed. The criminally insane can never be released. There is no completion of sentence or time served, because they can never be allowed near the populace.
>>532827950Also, every execution will increase the risk to the offender until it is sufficient to prevent them from offending.
>>532828304>doctors and scientists have my backYou're a cash cow they're turning into a lolcow for profit.
>>532827738>they don't understand why they are being punished fundamentallyDoes a dog understand why he's being put down after killing a child? He can't understand; that's the point. Put him down.
>>532828304You're being milked for money and experimented on medically.
>>532827321>>532827738>>532827775I legitimately hope you get murdered by a recidivist that's been let go by an activist judge a dozen times instead of someone else having to go through that it in your stead.
>>532828304Your Israeli hormone factory got blown up, troon.
>>532828293>anyone who can contemplate the action and penalty.Thats my point. People that can would never even do these things. Basically no one who can think like that would jump to murder. Even "I think I can get away with it" people don't fully comprehend what they're doing or the consequences. Because what if you don't? How would you feel then? Is it actually worth the risk?
>>532827321Funny coming from the guy who said he would defend his son and not report him if he found out he molested little girls because loyalty to your family is more important and because he would not want his son going to prison
>>532828436Yeah this is closer to my belief. I don't care.>>532828561I want strong punishments Anon. I just don't like bloviating about how things deter people.
>>532827321>Being really strict towards murderers in sentencing and punishment does not have the effect of creating less murders. How many murderers go back on the street after you hang them?
>>532828670What did you think the conservative heat map meme meant? Essays? Podcasts?
>>532827321When you rerelaset he min the tho general public they can comimte morde murders and it s FUCKNIG IEXPENSIVE to keep them imprsoend so just FUCKNIG KHANG THEM.RETARD
>>532828759Why are there still murderers even though we keep killing them?
>>532827321The entire reason our system is set up this way is because innocents were routinely punished for things they didn't do.We had a vice president who laughed about hiding evidence and putting people behind bars fraudulently.
>>532827321you don't deserve to live if you genuinely think serious crimes should have no penalties. you are the reason why everyone is feeling sick these days
>>532827321>Being really strict towards murderers in sentencing and punishment does not have the effect of creating less murders.don't care. one less shitskin
>>532828836Why shouldn't murderers just get killed so we don't have to worry about caring for them or worry about them reoffending?
>>532827321If prison was for law breakers then it would be full of politicians you nigger
>>532827321Sure, but it keeps those that have committed murder off the streets.
>>532828836By constantly killing murderers you gradually eliminate genes that predispose people towards being murderers
>>532829073Ultimately that's what matters yes.
>>532829113Is that why you gave away your island to brownies without a fight lmao
>>532827321This is basic justice theory. We have>Retribution>Rehabilitation>Deterrence>SequestrationOr some combination of these as the main philosophies for dealing with justice. The concepts of rehabilitation and deterrence took very large hits from the study of the genetic link to behavior in the 20th century, but the laws on the books do not account for this and teaching it is extremely /pol/.However, from a purely consequentialist point of view, the "hilariously public deterrence" could still be a public good. If the public gets enough enjoyment out of the spectacle (and brain scans show we really do!) then you don't even need to punish actual criminals - simply picking up some ugly guy, pinning the most extreme crimes possible on him and executing him could create very substantial utility and revenue if monetized correctly.
>>532827759Lol a wild kike appears and hes got nigger dicks on his kike mind
>>532828304Eeewwww a faggotGross.Die of AIDS fag.
>>532829229thanks for your thoughts on this, Miguel
>>532827321If he ever left Shapiro to start his own company and finally named the Jew he would probably be unstoppable. He’s actually fairly charismatic and based, his two films were excellent and funny in a dry way too. He’s playing for the wrong team unfortunately
>>532828064>Public expense to not be murdered should be higher to account for maintaining a stock of deplorables. Maybe someone like you is just also not worth having around.
bunch of slack jawed faggots ittyou can have it all with death camps by putting prisoners worthy of death/permanent expulsion from society to work in dangerous situationslike toxic recycling for example, if they succeed, great, if they don't, also great
>>532827321If they are so different and their minds so broken, then that's just an even stronger argument in favour of execution.
>>532827321El Salvador drastically decreased their murder rate by throwing criminals/murderers in prison. It's not rocket science.
>>532827321>Being really strict towards murderers in sentencing and punishment does not have the effect of creating less murders.empirical data proves you're a gay faggot liar
>>532827321A long jail sentence does reduce murders, since they don't get back out as quickly.
>>532830126There are still going to be murdering thugs that come up because the mind of a criminal doesn't change
>>532829741This is a good option.
>>532827321Will Matt be the one to execute them or is that a burden for someone else to carry?
>>532827321>The justice system exists to keep people whose minds are broken away from the populace, not to fix them or to serve as a warning.Easiest way to keep them away and from spawning more is to just execute them.
>>532830330Do the murders inside prison count?
>>532827571Somewhere along the line we started to believe as a society that criminal justice is intended to rehabilitate people back into society. It should be to isolate undesirables from us.
>>532830424>Put murderers in jail>Make Whitey pay for it>Simply do not count the crime that happens in prison (it's mostly against other prisoners and Whitey will pay for the damages no problem)Pretty simple formula honestly. Hard to see how it wouldn't work
>>532827321I dont really cate if you have an opinion like OP picrel, but if so, you should be selected to personally execute a criminal. Its cowardly cringe to just say shit like this while you live in your jewcave without any violence
>>532827571Any kind of repeat offence should and *must* be automatically death penalty, I don't understand how this is at all controversial.
>>532827321That's really fucking racist and antisemitic. Try just being a decent human. Wow. Just. do better.
>>532830424there will be less murders because they won't be free to stalk and kill anyone too weak to stop themif you wanted there to be less murderERS then you should have used that word, we have a way to do that too
>>532827571It's to prevent vigilante justice, to encourage society to use the system of courts the state provides for justice, if those fail or stop working, the system loses legitimacy and people seek extra judicial solutions.
>>532827321Are you serious? go look at shit holes that have no justice system, their rates of homicide and murder are through the roof.
>>532827321>The kind of person to be dissuaded into not murdering out of fear of punishment is not the kind of person to commit murder anywayThat's the point. It's to punish and remove violent criminals, not to reform them or scare them.Justice is to create catharsis for the people/citizenry. Jews don't really understand justice, hence why we "keep broken people" away or try to "reform" them. That's not how justice works.
>>532830424>the mind of a criminal doesn't changeThen the only things to do are either execution or exile.
>>532827321Executions are a deterrent because you are removing problematic people from society permanently. When Tyrone, after already having been convicted 39 times in the past, proceeds to do a school shooting and rape the bodies, it's time for him to go. There is just no reason to keep him around. And once he is dead, that's one less repeat offender in the world.
>>532828367The op never mentioned deterent he took a matt Walsh post that wants offenders executed and you made a point about it no one was trying to argue....you are low iq and or socially awkward
>>532827321we should be killing heinous criminals and repeat offenders just so they are no longer a burden or concern on society. Why is some nigger free on the street when they've been convicted of 33 separate robberies
>>532827321i like how you can replace all of those titles with jews and it would still work and yet he will never name his bosses
>>532827321peak midwit that guy (I don't know him)
>>532827775In the Furman v. Georgia (1972) case that struck down all death penalty statutes in the United States, the Court looked at study after study regarding various elements of capital punishment, everything from the jury selection process to racial bias to effectiveness as a deterrent. There were eight separate opinions written for this case. The Court found that, *as applied*, there was minimal if any deterrent effect to the death penalty beyond a sentence of life in prison. They cited inconsistent application, lengthy procedural delays and other factors as reasons for this.It wasn't until 1977 that death penalty statutes consistent with the Court ruling started to take effect in the various states. The moratorium ended in January 1977 when Gary Gilmore faced a firing squad in Utah.
>>532827321Seems common sense to me. If you are convicted of anything with a sentence of like 20 years of more, just kill the fucker and be done with it.
>>532830877Lawless shitholes don't create violent savages, violent savages create lawless shitholes. Reverse cause and effect.
>>532827321I don’t fuckin care at all. What a ridiculous, disgusting angle. “Economically minded” spiritual kikes should all be killed with the murderers they support so much.
>>532828670That isn’t funny or inconsistent at all. You don’t have any real friends or loved ones.
>>532831004That's not what is meant by deterrence. Deterrence is the concept that if you do e.g. public executions that the rest of the niggers will somehow behave in response. Deterrence means you prevent future crimes for free by acting tough, without having to actually change anything like DNA.
>>532828860>routineltThis word is doing some serious heavy lifting in that sentence.
>>532828836We don't. Faggot activist judges keep letting them out because>he a gud boi he dindu nuffin da crimmnul jussiss system is raysusso they can go kill again until one of their victims successfully defends himself, at which point said judge throws the book at the victim.
>>532827321Matt Walsh sounds based?
This will keep you busy for a while. Texas post a great deal of information regarding death row inmates and the nearly 600 inmates they have executed since 1982:Offenders on death row:https://www.tdcj.texas.gov/death_row/dr_offenders_on_dr.htmlExecuted offenders:https://www.tdcj.texas.gov/death_row/dr_executed_offenders.html
>>532827321He should read Foucault
>>532828293>Our ancestors knew exile is the strongest penalty.109 times bro. Exile made the world a worse place.
>>532827321Why not let the victims decide? If there are no victims, then is it even a crime? This way the moral dilemma of appropriating justice lays on the people who were actually injusticed, and people who commit fake victimless "crime" can be properly left the fuck alone.
>>532827321>We should increase executions by like a 1000 percentand we should start by charging zionist funded "journalists" with treason, who pays Matt's salary again?
>>532827321True. You're leaving their support structure intact so obviously they continue. The solution to violence is not violence. The solution to violence is asymmetric violence. You have to target the criminal and their entire support structure that enabled their behavior too. Harsh punishments for the murderer, and harsh punishments for everyone who helps them in any way at all.
>>532831639>DeterrenceWe don't have executions for fucking deterrence, retard. Historically, people actually DID SOMETHING about violent criminals, i.e. killed them.
>>532827321>The kind of person to be dissuaded into not murdering out of fear of punishment is not the kind of person to commit murder anywayInteresting... haven't read through the thread yet, but I'd appreciate if you could expand on this point. Obviously, as we've seen, there seems to be no real limit on how much demoralization and disenfranchisement people will take - look at the UK, look at Ireland. Was this always the case? I feel it's less about the punishment and more about the likelihood of being caught. My suspicion is that more people would be like Jack the Ripper if we never invented public surveillance.
>>532832069Actually deterrence has been a major motivation for execution for as long as it has (legally) existed. It was not until the discovery of modern genetics that people began to seriously question deterrence as a strategy.
>>532827571or lobotomization
>>532827321RETVRN
>>532828637Thanks for making my point for me.Which is that if you cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, you shouod likely be segregated from those of us goys who live in the real world.
>>532830813>i don't understand how this is at all controversialIt's only controversial to people that want to be able to commit multiple crimes without significant consequences.
>>532827321You execute murderers to remove them from the gene pool and to prevent them from killing again faggot.
>>532832390Deterrence as a motive is a cope. It is and should only be a secondary benefit at best. Phrasing it as the primary goal of justice displays weakness in thought and a lack of care towards the citizenry (you seek to deter criminals over protecting people, etc.)Does this make sense? The concept itself and its application to execution is fundamentally wrong.
>>532831750>nearly 600 inmates they have executed since 1982:So 13.6 a year - Big Woopy. Should be that many each morning, but they wont because Corporate prison is big business.
>>532832673I don't think deterrence meaningfully exists in a criminal context. I do think justice as retribution is reasonable, since it's goal is so simple - people can be punished because they deserve it.But I do think deterrence as a concept can be socially or politically useful, even if it's completely worthless or counterproductive for actual crime. Simply take a look through this thread, the amount of dopamine generated by chest-thumping about how tough and righteous we are (or should be) is immense and this is a mostly untapped, unmonetized market.
>>532827321If you used corporal punishment on every criminal there'd be no Republicans left.
>>532831667Yes, routinely.Crooked cops, judges, and lawyers still exist in the year 2026. People getting bogus tickets today is a far cry from getting lashings in public of old but the principles still apply.
As someone who has been to jail/prison, I think bringing back whippings or something similar would go a long wayBeing locked up is torture for the higher self, but the animal self truly could not care less, it still gets fed and sheltered, it doesn't have to work. Just a few minutes of extreme pain is all you'd need to fix that
>>532827321I agree with this take but also apply it to anyone who had a hand in the decision to give the death penalty to any accused person who is later proven to be innocent.No trials for them. If you are the cop, judge, jury, lawyer who put an innocent man to death then you should meet the same fate.
>>532827321"our ancestors" would have had this dork shoveling out cesspools
